29 Years of Struggle, 1 Year of Change: A Carnivore’s Path to Reversing Disease, with Emily Capley

welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining me for another episode of the plant-free MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest who is going to share her story with us Emily thank you so much for joining me it's such a pleasure to meet you oh it's so nice to meet you too it's a honor to be here thank you for having me oh not a problem thank you for for taking the time and and for being willing to share your stor I think these these personal accounts of what is is possible is very powerful and very important for people you have a study that says whatever but when you see real people actually get results um that other people aren't getting I think that's um it's very important um for people to see so thank you very much for that of course yeah so for people that haven't come across you and your story before can you just tell us a bit about you and um what sort of uh you've been going through recently um sure I happen to be a type 1 diabetic um from the age of nine I was diagnosed in uh January 12th of 1991 uh for for me it was it took months to where I got sick enough to where like okay she's not not functioning like normal Emily she just wants to lay around she's drinking all the time she's can't hold her urine more than 15 minutes so they took me to uh uh the pediatrician they did a blood test and the meter just said hi so I went to Vanderbilt ICU the children's hospital and they did a lab work and my blood sugar was over 1,500 they didn't know how I was not vomiting I was in full-blown diabetic acidosis and that started the downward spiral um for years I tried to do exactly what my endocrinologist said counted out 45 grams of carbs in the morning took my insulin accordingly count it out you know another two hours later you got to have 15 more grams of carbs on and on and on and my a1c's which are your you know what they are they're 90day average they were in The 11s 13s it was the insulin would like hit me whenever it wanted to I'd be walking down the hallway in high school and just pass out it was awful awful and I would go to the doctor the endocrinologist and they would accuse me of you know not eating the things that they told me to eat or you know not taking my insulin like they told me to and it got to the point where I was just like gave up like I'm okay I can't figure figure it out the numbers are never right I'm all the way from 500 after a meal to like 30 after a meal I mean it I just gave up I lost hope so for about from the age of about when I went to college which was I was 17 until about the age of 28 I just I didn't check my blood sugar I didn't I just gave up hope and finally um after college I moved back home and kind of wanted to reinvest in my health and I remember my A1C was 13 and this went on for a long time I remember following the American Diabetes Association like really buckling down I could get it down my A1c to like a nine and eight and my endocrinologist is like that's great that just might be the best that you can do for you that's great eight eight and a half 81c great and through Decades of these ups and downs I came across laundry lists of complications from diabetes um the first one that I noticed was my kidney function started to deteriorate then my eyes I had retinopathy in my eyes um that required injections into your eyeballs um then I started breaking bones in my feet I broke 13 bones in my left foot and four in my right right um diagnosed with sharco foot disease gastroparesis I mean you every complication that you can imagine plus rheumatoid arthritis on top of that plus eczema as a Asma HS all of these autoimmune diseases that are inflammatory just I mean it was just one after the other after the other so I got to the point where where in I think it was 2013 I was the bottom of the barrel just depressed suicidal anxious on depression medication on anxiety medication I actually was institutionalized for about a week because I wanted to kill myself because I had just lost hope and then um I finally got back to Tennessee I moved around a lot but when I got back down to Tennessee uh I came across uh the keto diet came up and I have a nephew who has epilepsy and his neurologist recommended the keto diet for him to control his epilepsy and I kind of kind of sparked this I wonder if that would work for me like for I don't know maybe I'll have to eat you know less sugar less insulin it kind of made sense to me so I asked my endocrinologist about it and she poo pooed the idea yeah she was like I don't have many patients that have success with it you can try it if you want to so I was like all right I'm gonna make myself an experiment I remember August of 2020 my filtration rate my egfr in my kidneys was at a 14 at that point I went on the kidney transplant list and I was able to avoid dialysis but uh that's when I started the keto diet I really buckled down my dad had started it about a month maybe two months before me and he was like Emily I feel so much better you got to try this so I was like all right let's it can't get worse so let's try it and within three months my a1c's went from the nines to 6.3 nice and I'm taking 60% less insulin and I remember going back to my endocrinologist she's like I didn't believe your Labs I had to check it twice I ran it twice what are you doing doing and I told her I don't I don't eat carbs and she's like what does that mean and she's like tell me what you eat every day so I would tell her and she's like oh no that's not sustainable okay and I'm thinking I'm very tenacious and very opinionated and strong willed and I'm like all right I prove this chick wrong like this is sustainable for me what's not sustainable is a1c's a 13s and 14s so that slowly led to the increase of my egfr every time I would go back in August of 2020 it was 14 three months later it was 17 three months later it was like 24 um I remember at one point in 2022 I actually went to Stage 3B I mean it was up in the 35s so I was like something's going on um and through all of that uh my dad did keto with me we both lost a ton of weight from August of 2020 until let me think the first of this year I lost 70 pounds and that wasn't really my goal to lose weight it was just kind of like the cherry on top you know um and then 2024 happened and my father came across a Jordan Peterson video talking about his daughter Michaela and at that point I was still had really bad rheumatory arthritis very low energy eczema all over my body and I was like why not try carnivore let's just try it and within three weeks the eczema was gone no more pain no more swelling I mean I I had muscle pain in my neck for like the first three weeks but after that I'm tell I haven't felt this good since before I was diagnosed with diabetes it is a new le on on life I'm off my rheumat arthritis medication no more Humera don't need it I can wear my metal wedding rings again I haven't been able to wear them in years I'm off my Eczema medication the dupixent I no longer require I'm off two blood pressure pills I'm off my torside my edema used to be so bad around my ankles I used to have to wear comp compression socks no longer required my HS is asymptomatic no issues with gastroparesis that's another thing the GI doctor was telling me Oh fat fatty Meats that'll flare up no issues with fatty meat none like my body digests it perfectly I have not had a flare of gastroparesis in over a year now yeah I I guarantee you that's based on zero evidence there's no studies or anything it's just they they just pull those they just make those things up oh don't eat fat because it'll cause and what's the evidence for that exactly guarantee you there was none yeah and when I asked my nephologist about going carnivore oh protein is really bad for your kidneys salt is really bad for your kidneys okay well I'm living proof that it's not bad for your kidneys what damaged my kidneys was glucose and diabetes yeah so treating that my last A1C was 5.4 which is normal that is normal I've I have not been like in a normal range of A1C since before I was diagnosed with diabetes and I'm on 85.6% less insulin now I used to take 100 to 120 units a day now I take 18 yeah wow through an insulin pump and it's it's life change I don't know any other word like the depression is gone I'm off my depression medication I don't want to kill myself I look forward to my days like I'm the Bones have healed in my feet I'm walking I'm I'm able to walk miles a day just with regular tennis shoes and Orthotics put in my feet I haven't broken a bone in my foot since 2019 it's just it is life changing and like I've tried to open up my diet as some people suggest like why don't you just add in some olives why don't you just add in a little bit of lettuce and I'll try that and the next day my my joints are just swollen crazy bad immediately and I'm like nope vegetables are not my friends they're not yeah so I I don't really see a reason to go back to eating vegetables like my dentist the other day she's like you don't eat vegetables where do you get all your vitamins you're missing this I'm like What vitamin am I missing I'm not missing anything it's just in the meat meat and eggs I don't I don't need vegetables what are you talking about she's looking at me like I'm crazy and I'm like all right I I don't I I I'm the proof is in the the pudding the proof is in my life being regained and that's my goal now is to let people know if you're a type 1 diabetic you can do carnivore if you don't have a gallbladder that's me don't have a gallbladder you can do carnivore if you have whatever stage of kidney failure you're in you can do carnivore I'm don't don't believe the hype of plant-based nonsense I'm telling you your our bodies in my opinion are designed to heal as long as we give it what it needs proper nutrition and once you figure out what that is for you and for me that's meat eggs some butter some Dairy that's it I'm good like I can feel my feet again do you do you know I could not feel anything on like you literally you could shop off my foot five years ago and I could not feel it and now I can feel all of it except the tips of my little baby toes nice and you ask a neurologist I mean my neur my husband was just recently diagnosed with MS and I asked the neurologist is it possible to regrow nerves and she's like no I'm like I am living proof I can feel my toes that you can regenerate nerves it'll take a long time but given the right environment it's possible no it definitely is I mean even in Ms there's a recent paper that I came across that actually showed the dietary cholesterol has is um an independent factor in in regrowth of and remin of your nerves so this is something that you can do you just need to put your body into the right set of circumstances you need the right nutrients you need cholesterol that's a that's a that's a major component of of myin that um yeah insulates the nerves you need saturated fat which is another major component you need DHA and EPA which are the the structural components uh Omega-3s that we need from animal sourced uh fats and um and you need B12 and need Vitamin D and if you don't have enough B12 you will not regrow your milein in fact if your B12 goes too low and the US number is sort of under 500 550 PS per milliliter you can actually get demyelination on its own you can actually get nerve damage just from that the reference range often goes down to like 100 150 you know and so you're talking about half of the of the recommended reference range for a lot of labs that that is a true deficiency um slightly below that Oxford University published in 2008 study looking at B12 over time and they found people that in I believe it was it's like 330 to 350 and Below p p moles per liter so that would be around 500 pams per milliliter 450 500 uh in US numbers but below that tracked after 5 years and doing serial MRIs people's brains shrank by 5% or more volume because their their brain's atrophy and and they're getting demolation they're losing the bulk of their white matter which is this milein sheath around your nerves and it's going away and so you if you don't have optimal and what I would mean by Optimal is probably at the very high end of whatever the reference range you know the lab is using or above um you're not going to regrow your milein and where does B12 come from just meet that's it um you know I I spoke to a guy yesterday who who reversed this wasn't for a podcast we were just speaking sort of off the Record because he wasn't sure he wanted to come on but he completely reversed his Ms he has no symptoms he plays you know Semi-Pro volleyball in his 50s and when he was you know basically wheelchair bound previously and he had massive lesions he had a 3 cm lesion in his spinal cord in his brain stem and multiple lesions in his brain he had primary progressive MS it was a very aggressive and um and they were basically like you are you know like the neurologist said you know you want to take my advice you know just just leave this treatment to us just enjoy your life and you know because basically you're not going to have all that much of it get get the most quality of life that you have while you have it and um and he just said yep no don't accept that I'm gonna I'm going to beat this thing and and through you know diet and lifestyle sort of interent sort of thinking about okay what's going on here um okay how do I how do I you know soften blow how do I change my body into you know getting into a situation where I'm not damaging myself okay and what do I need to regrow this stuff he started looking in all the different components of myin and you know you need this B12 you need the cholesterol you need these fats where the hell are you getting these things from you know it's um you can heavily supplement or you can eat healthy meat and those sorts of things do both and so that's what he did and and it took it took um a while like you said it takes a while to regrow these things but he's he's he's nearly 100% resolution on MRI that his lesions are just gone now his um his leion multiple lesions one was 3 cm long and in his brain stem which is not good now it's 1/8 of an inch right so from 3 centimeters to 1/8 of an inch and it's really just a bit of scar tissue now it's not actually it's not actually active um demalation it's just a sort of that damage sort of repairing Ing and so I mean that's that's absolutely incredible and now you know he helps other people sort of do the same thing but you know if you don't have if you don't have uh the right building blocks you're not going to regrow these things but you can it's just that most people are not in a set of circumstances where their body can do it they're not removing the inflammation they're not removing the causitive uh element to their autoimmunity which I don't think is actually autoimmunity and people want to know more about that I have a video called the real cause of autoimmunity real quickly your body can't is not capable of attacking itself I mean it's just it's just not I mean that that never sat right with me I took post-graduate level uh Immunology before medical school and um which is not taught in medical school so I took this independently and it was very clear that that can't happen and and so never really sat right with me because your as your immune cells are are maturing and your bone Mar and your thymus they're tested against every single molecule called an antigen that your body can possibly make and if you react even weakly those cells are killed so you do not have immune cells that are capable of making an antibody towards your own body it's not possible and if you were that would have manifested as soon as your as your immune system kicked into gear and you would have started attacking yourself now some people do have autoimmune issues from a very young age but again what are they being exposed to the vast majority of people have these autoimmune issues present later in life or even in adulthood middle age or late adulthood so why is that if your body was always capable of attacking itself why did it just choose it oh it's molecular mimicry you get some offending uh infection or something you make an antibody towards that and then it has a cross reaction with your own body but your body's not capable of doing that if your body was capable of making an antibody that could crossreact you were capable of make an antibody that would react in the first place and you're not and so also it doesn't treat it like an infection right because if your body's thinking this is a foreign Invader it's a full court press until that infection is gone you know you don't you don't just take the day off or a weekend off or a few weeks off staff in it doesn't explain flares no exactly and and and relapsing remitting sort of uh presentations that doesn't make sense because if you had relapsing remitting uh defense against the staff infection or pneumonia or menitis you're dead there's no there's no there's no coming back from that right so that's not how your body works and you know I think of it in um Celiac which is called an autoimmune disease but it's called um gluten mediated autoimmune disease right because if you don't have gluten you don't have the autoimmune disease okay so is it really an autoimmune disease gluten is a lectin which is a plant toxin which attacks your interos sites your intestinal cells and your in and your immune system does exactly what your immune system is supposed to do which is defend and so you make antibodies towards this and you're attacking that that lectin and and because it's stuck to your cells the cells are getting hit in the crossfires collateral damage you know it's just just some of the the casualties of war and you get very damaged a lot of damage to your gut lining your Villi micro got destroyed but then what happens you take away the um gluten the the tissue just heals the problem goes away and within a few weeks you all your your your gut is completely healed even though though the antibodies are still present and that's the key there because your Celiac antibodies can stay elevated for over 3 years and have no problem so obviously those an those antibodies are not Auto antibodies they do not attack your body they're attacking something that is attacking your body and so when you get this stuff in your body these toxins and from plants and and other sorts of environmental toxins then they're attacking different systems in your body I mean think about it that way you have one autoimmune issue you almost always have multiple autoimmune issues because you're getting these toxins in your body they're attacking a whole bunch of different tissues and your body is attacking those right and then and then and then you stop eating something and you get those toxins out of your body and all of a sudden problem goes away even though you have the antibodies still there you're not attacking yourself and that's that and that's the key thing that people don't get so you're not addressing the underlying root CA you're still getting damag and with the traditional methods and and then you're not putting people in the correct environment to regrow their nerves because you're not getting making sure they have enough B12 you're not making sure they have enough um cholesterol you're not making sure they have enough saturated fat and Omega-3s and vitamin D and and of course you're not going to see people regrow their nerves because you haven't given them the resources that they need to regrow the nerves so and it's so I mean it's not surprising to hear all these responses from your doctors but it it is it is so depressing I mean I mean especially when you have nephrologists saying oh no proteins really bad for your kidneys oh yeah did you read that exactly because all the studies actually show the exact opposite so that's a personal opinion that has just been thrown around there oh yeah protein's bad for your kidneys but that's not what you learned in residency I guarantee it that's not what you learned in medical school I guarantee it and that's not what you learned from the data and the literature I guarantee it because that's not what the literature says it says the exact opposite and so I I don't know where these people come are coming from the number one cause of kidney disease and kidney failure is diabetes it's it's high blood sugar you know and that causes direct damage to the kidneys and so why are we thinking that excluding carbohydrates from your diet is going to be a bad thing and you can actually keep the same exact protein content in your diet right and and still just not eat carbs right right and but studies do show that higher intake of protein improves kidney function it doesn't damage it so it's I I well it's amazing and then you know you're endocrinologist saying well we don't really have any you know evidence that ketogenic diet works we have 140 years of evidence that ketogenic diets work for diabetes that was the only treatment for diabetes for 100 I know before insulin that's all they did that's it that was the only thing that kept type 1 diabetics alive that was the only treatment for type 1 or type two Di diabetes and then we got insulin and that's just 140 years of of medical knowledge information and and scientific Endeavor went out the window and and it just it just blows my mind well it this this is what people will say well you have to have studies within the last 20 years if it's older than 20 years it's no good I guess we just throw out Newton's Laws then you know those are over 20 years old well we throw out the Framingham study and the Seven country study and all those studies that say that that all is bad because those are over 20 years old no no those are fine those are those are the good studies that are over 20 years old just not your studies that disprove them you know it's it's it's pretty wild uh what people do but um how how is your um endocrinologists now and and your other doctors now have they sort of come to see the light now that everything's getting better over the course of years um my endocrinologist now is a different endocrinologist and I bought uh Dr Richard Bernstein's book Diabetes Solution and I read it cover to cover and I kind of like hinted around it at the office at the office meeting like put it on my lap like have you read this book and she's like no and I'm like you need to read this book you need to educate yourself on this book and she's like well you're you know you're my rock star patient I hear that all the time keep doing what you're doing and I'm like well you can have all of your patients be Rockstar patients get a book and put this in your office yeah well that that I don't know if I can do that and I'm like well what about giving people options if they don't want to do you know high doses of insulin and they don't want to they want a more holistic way to treat their diabetes Well most people aren't smart like you and they won't read the book and I'm like intelligence has nothing to do with it just eat meat that's not rocket science like even cats know animals know what to eat cats know to eat meat just tell them eat meat that's all you need to do like a two-year-old can do that like that is not you don't have to read the book but you as a doctor should probably read this book so I don't know it's it's frustrating for me to go to doctor's offices because I need lab work I need insulin pump refills I need insulin refills but most of them have labeled me non-compliant because I refute like my nephologist told me well you're damaging your kidneys with protein I said well tell me what study that was in well it's theoretical and I'm like do we practice do you practice theoretical medicine no you practiced evidence-based medicine and there goes the lab so oftentimes I have to switch doctors a lot because they don't they don't support me they tell me things like it's not sustainable um they focus on only my LDL cholesterol when every other metabolic marker I've lost over 90 pounds my A1C is now 5.4 I'm taking 85.6% less insulin a day I'm off my ra medicine I'm off my dupixent for my Eczema I mean I the list goes on and on and on my blood pressure is normalized I'm off my blood pressure pills and they're just focused on the LDL I'm like you're not putting me on a Statin I'm not taking a Statin like that no and that was the last straw that I fired my other PCP my primary care last week we got into a debate I'm like I'm not taking a Statin well we're going to label you non-compliant and if you ever need a kidney transplant you know that's not good they're not going to give you the I'm like the way I'm going I don't need the transplant you can keep your Statin and keep your kidney transplant I'm rocking the carnivore and most doctors are just so because I'm not like I said I'm opinionated and I I want to spread the word so other patients will know this that there is hope and there is healing so I'm not on social media at all normally like I'm not on Facebook I'm not on Twitter none of that but in order to spread the word I started my own YouTube channel and I just make posts about this doctor appointment today sucked this is what I had to deal with today just to get lab work you know like don't don't take the medicine you don't need medicine you just need meat um so people in my family a lot of them think that I'm like crazy but you can just tell by looking at me that I'm I mean I wish I had a before photo I mean it was I was miserable my skin was just broken out everywhere I have like dry flaky patches like alligator skin everywhere my nails wouldn't grow my hair wouldn't grow I mean it's just and the energy like I I have Boundless Energy now just and I'm not breaking bones just by standing up anymore like it's I don't even know how to describe I went from the pit of despair to like I'm on top of the world now so yeah yeah I just encourage people try it for 90 days like really try it for 90 days and see how you feel and and you be the judge after 90 days do I really believe that meat is the devil and meat is going to kill me I'm telling you it's not like my triglycerides were 54 they used to be in the 200s my last lipid panel my triglycerides were 54 my HDL was 88 and they're only focused on they're only focused on that LDL but every every other metabolic marker is fantastic yeah so yeah well and also if if all your metabolic markers are improving everything's getting better your objective health is getting better your organ function is getting better multiple organ systems why are we saying that LDL is a Bad Thing everything else is trending in a good direction there's there's copious amounts of evidence to show that LDL and elevated LDL elevated normal LDL Which is higher than the normal reference ranges is actually beneficial to health uh and Longevity and and that and that fits with the trend everything is getting better and so I would say that's getting better as well but you say oh oh oh this is just the this is the flying the ointment everything's getting better but oh you're going to kill yourself because this thing that that is improving your entire body and every organ system is also killing you I'm sorry how's that exactly and um and also you know you're going to die faster doing going the other way you know even if 40 years down the road you got heart disease at least you're not dead on the table now uh from all of the different sorts of complications that you had I mean you I mean you can even just say it's like okay so are you really telling me that you want me to go back to being 90 pounds heavier chronic kidney failure on transplant list circling towards dialysis um on 120 m 120 units of insulin on Humera having massive issues with autoimmunity you're telling me that you want me to do that instead of what I'm doing now because that's going to be healthier for me is that really what you're telling me and you know just do it in in a very like you're talking to a dumb child because that is how they're acting like is that is that really what you're telling me doctor are you really telling me that that's better for my health to go back to that so that I can lower my my uh LDL you're telling me that that's better on your medical license and malpractice insurance you're telling me that that's a better outcome that that's a better direction for me to go so if I do that and I listen to you and I get all these diseases again you're telling me that your malpractice insurer is going to be happy with you giving me that advice is that what you're telling me put it in real terms that's going to slap them awake saying hey the advice you're giving is going to get your ass sued do you realize that you know do your damn homework and think use the brain that God gave you and think because what you are saying is insane and you are going to kill people and even though you have the best of intentions you are in a position of authority people are going to listen to you and if they take your advice they're going to die and that is your fault you know so you know and and the idea well it's theoretical that uh high protein causes a damage here your kidneys yeah well it was a theory it was never born out by the data okay but what does the data show data shows the opposite so there are studies it it isn't just a guess you don't have to just guess started out as a guess it was a dumb guess it was wrong then it's wrong now but now we have evidence we have Decades of evidence showing the exact opposite and it's just they're not looking they're a nephologist who hasn't looked at the evidence for their own specialty it's one organ you got to deal with one organ buddy like really you can't stay on top of the literature for one freaking organ and you're going to make recommendations based on incomplete knowledge set I mean that's that's ridiculous and um you know and it's just it just blows my mind how people would would think that that's a that's an okay thing to do make recommendations based on on no evidence and not even looking for the evidence well we don't have evidence of that that translates to I've never looked in to see if there's evidence of that that's what that means that means I wasn't spoonfed that by the drug companies and the drug reps who come in on Tuesdays and buy me lunch and so therefore it doesn't exist because I don't I'm the expert so if I haven't seen it it doesn't exist you know so if anybody says well there there's no evidence for that ask them have you specifically looked for evidence of that because there is evidence of that and there are people that are discussing this evidence and Reporting on this evidence there's there's copious amounts of papers on it I can send you some if you like would you like to email you evidence would you like me to email you studies showing this because you saying that there's no evidence is not true it just means that you have not looked for the evidence have you looked have you even done a a search on Cochran or on PubMed or Google Scholar you know have you even asked the question high protein diets kidney function ketogenic diets kidney function have you even looked have you attempted to look because if if you have not then how can you say there's no evidence you haven't even bothered to check so it um yeah that that bugs me and you know just going back to what you said earlier where they said oh you have to have this many carbs and then you take your insulin I'm sorry weren't you taking insulin because you had high blood sugar in the first place because you're making blood sugar right and so that's a little backwards isn't it you have to eat carbs so that you can take your insulin why do I need to take my insulin because your blood sugar is too high okay but doesn't it get higher when I eat carbohydrates you know it's like you know it's like it's backwards okay so why do I need to take carbohydrates in oh because insulin will drop your blood sugar too low but I'm taking the insulin because my blood sugar's high like oh yeah yeah and so it's like why don't I just take less insulin Preposterous you know it's like what are you talking about you I know it's like it it blows my mind you know that you're you're just chasing your tail hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work 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yeah and um yeah it's it's wild to me I actually had a patient um recently just just saw a couple weeks ago she went into the hospital recently with diabetic keto acidosis um 3 months ago and her husband was a patient of mine knew about you know my my ideas about things and how I practice and he brought her in because he's trying to look for okay is there anything else that we're missing here that maybe contri buting to this so you know we did full blood panel looking at things um and so okay look you need to go on a ketogenic diet you know I think a carnivore diet is the best one but at least ketogenic talked about it she went pretty much on a KET a ketogenic carnivore diet massively improveed I mean at first it was same with you you have these massive blood sugar swings and drops and spikes and hypos and just just playing you know game of um cat and mouse with her blood sugar and her insulin and having all sorts of problems as a result of that and um instantly as soon as she changed her diet Flatline just perfectly well controlled no issues using far less insulin and because she was in the honeymoon period um and we able to address this from a root cause perspective thankfully her pancreas hadn't or the beta eyet cells in her pancreas hadn't completely been destroyed and right they weren't burnt out yet yeah and so even though at first first she required insulin and her C peptide which is a marker of how much insulin your body is producing was non-existent after a month or so six weeks on this where she was getting better and better control I checked your C peptide again all of a sudden it's there it's very low but it was there and she's using less and less insulin one month later we checked her blood work again and her C peptide had gone up another 50% now in the middle of the normal range and she her insulin levels were normal was actually perfect that was an ideal level and she was not taking any outside insulin and her blood sugars were perfect so now she's not diabetic anymore she's not type 1 diabetic anymore and and that's how this can work you can actually reverse this disease now if this has been going on for years and years and years those cells are likely not coming back um have shown that in animal studies though that ketogenic diets um can actually regrow beta iset cells in animals in m and mice there was a there was a study on um um fasting mimicking diet look at all these benefits from fasting with diabetes and say well it's difficult to fast and so what about a fasting mimicking diet which is just a ketogenic diet gets you into the metabolic State same metabolic state is when you're just not eating carbohydrates is when you're not eating and so they found that yes just just a ketogenic diet as little as four days a month was able to reverse not only type 2 diabetes but even type 1 diabetes in mice and regrow the beta eyelet cells and they were trying to see if they could do that in humans but um so far I I don't think they've ever shown that but there are these these um anecdotal you know cases of of people in that honeymoon period being able to reverse it and um you know and that lines up with 140 years of evidence that you know that's how you treated you know the these sorts of situations and um you that was the thing like your your doctor saying that you're you know well you're my Rockstar patient not everybody can do have you tried I mean why would you why would you not try you know and and I mean really what they're saying is that I I don't believe that that's what it is I think it's a fluke you know because well they wouldn't be able to do that well you can at least try you can at least say like hey here's a thing and I've got patients that can really massively help their their situation you just throw it out there and like you say give them an option and um you know and then and then you just change your practice and okay and then you start seeing more and more people you know changing and and and massively improving their health as a result of that I mean it's it's it's negligent to not do that you know once you've seen that evidence when you when you've seen this work in real real World situations it doesn't matter if you have a study to back it up or not you're seeing it work how can you how can you not do that you know I I I don't know it it really blows my mind but you know that that goes back to hypocrates hypocrates said don't just do that was part of the hypocritic oath don't just do things because they've always been done and you just hope they work you know specifically we're talking about don't just pray to Apollo and pray to the spirits and hope that something happens do things that work you know look at the evidence with your own eyes and say this is working that's not do the thing that works and if something else comes along that works better you do that instead that's what you do and that was the basis the fundamental basis of the ever evolving science of medicine Western medicine that's how we practice doctors would look and listen and pay attention and they'd see their patients reverse something like Whoa I've never seen that before and you're under had had the great you know had that right Instinct at first saying whoa how the hell did you do this and you told them and go like it's not sustainable well that's up to me isn't it right that's not really on you whether I sustain it that's that's that's me that's that's my that's my decisions you know all you need to know as a doctor is that this works you know and then you look into that and go like okay what's going on here you know and uh and and you know I should look into this more but um you you know it the the idea of sustainability I mean that's that's a very personal matter you know I guess they could be saying well it's not sustainable because you're going to your LDL is going to go up and then you're going to die of a heart attack it's like well diabetes is the leading cause of heart disease let's not let's not kid ourselves and you've just reversed diabetes and so why are we thinking that heart disease is on the table in fact just the last thing um that that I'll say here is that um Dr craft with the craft test k this is a a very involved um glucose tolerance test where you you take some you know high dose glucose and then you check your blood sugar but you also check your insulin so you check your insulin response and how much that is and is that appropriate the amount of insulin with the amount of blood sugar and then you check it again in two hours and you get in five hours or five hours total and you see and you see these sort of patterns and he found that looking at nearly 30,000 people that there was really only five patterns that emerged and you could you could plot these out and it was the different stages of insulin resistance and and and uh blood sugar disas that don't get picked up just with a blood sugar test or a glucose tolerance test or an hba1c right that you have to look for the subtle the subtle interplay with insulin and if you if you go back to one of these um one of these five models that things start to go wrong and you call that point diabetes in these nearly 30,000 people 100% of the heart disease patients had diabetes and zero of the non-diabetics had heart disease right so you know it's just that we're calling diabetes the end stage fulminate diabetes where the body is just cannot compensate anymore and it's just the game's over um but if you start if you if you recognize it it's actually starting much earlier than that based on these this the craft test data set you actually realize that you're already causing serious problem at that point and you're having all these sorts of diseases after that subsequently and so being able to reverse diabetes is is really the main thing there oh it's not sustainable you're going to get heart disease No in fact I'm I'm much less likely to now thank you uh because my diabetes is gone and um you know it's it's pretty wild um that you had that experience I'm very sorry uh I I I completely understand why you would switch doctors because it's that's that's got to be very frustrating uh to just just have these people having the evidence right there staring them in the face and then go well there's no evidence for this yeah and there's like no what what what really bothered me is there's no curiosity yeah there's no well you know normally people don't get off the kidney transplant list unless a they die or B they get a kidney so what's different about this one case where's the Curiosity and how can I apply that to other patients like I don't I don't see that anywhere anywhere and any of the Specialists I see none of them and it's exhausting it's fr frustrating it's like I'm shadding water with a 50 pound weight around my leg every time I go and it's I mean I'm not a doctor but I'm I I feel like I've done more in-depth research paper reading than the majority of my doctors I've done more nutrition investigation than my doctors and that's not right that is not right because I'm just the average I'm just the average girl you know I'm just the average woman that had this laundry list of health issues that had enough and was like okay I've tried everything else I've tried doing it their way so let me try doing the opposite of what they say and Bam things are reversing and that to me that is unacceptable that is unacceptable for our health care to be like that yeah definitely let me just throw more pills at her 19 medications at one point in my life 19 I was taking a medication for a side effect for medication it's like why are we even taking this medication like it's banana it's crazy town it's crazy town when I go to the when I go to the doctors no joke I mean often I'm firing doctors often and it I I try my best like hey I'll bring in a research paper to them would you when you have time I know you're really busy but you might want to read this research paper and it's just crickets it's just no response that's not the standard of care well maybe we should change the standard of care you think like think how much healthier all your patients would be yeah it's just disheartening but there is hope um I'm walking proof of it like I'm I'm living breathing walking proof I have all my lab results if anybody wants like copies of my lab results I will gladly prove it to you that you know your body can heal even if you've done damage to it for me like 30 years of type 1 diabetes of a1c's 11 12s 13s your body can heal no I'm not delusional I don't think my kidneys are going to go back to normal filtration rate but I'm not on dialysis yeah I don't require dialysis I'm not on the transplant list anymore so hey Improvement is Improvement and I'll take it yeah well I mean and that's it it's improved enough anyway that that you're you're you're able to go with without copious amounts of medication dialysis or kidney transplant you never know I mean there is such a thing as damage done but you know if the more strict you are you're getting rid of all these sorts of things you just give your body a chance to heal and you see what happens you know I mean I I think that your um your your kidy infiltration rate will improve as time goes on with a carnivore diet because not only is it ketogenic and you reverse your diabetes which is the leading cause of kidney kidney dysfunction but now you've gotten rid of all these nephrotoxic chemicals that are in plants and and come along with plants like the different you know pesticides and insecticides and herbicides and things like that that go go on those things and all the nasty miserable artificial ingredients that they put in you know the processed foods you know you're cooking whole food for yourself it's a single ingredient you know meal you don't have you've cut out so much stuff that absolutely disrupts and damages your kidney function so I I I would be actually quite confident that your kidney function will will improve from where you are now probably significantly um I've seen people down at uh a good friend of mine was at down at 19% uh kidney function he was 35 you know and he and he made this post on on social media on Instagram saying that he just got this you know this diagnosis from his doctor that he's got kidney uh you know late stage kidney failure he's 35 years old and he circling the drain and he he said I don't I don't I don't know if I'm even going to live long enough to see my daughter graduate high school and and so I reached out to him and said listen you know this this is something you can give a sh give a try you here are some studies that actually show um that higher protein is better a ketogenic diets improve kidney function that you have all these you know um plant toxins that destroy the kidneys such as oxalates but there's so many more and and I just sent that to him and let him do what he wanted and he just said look you know i' I've got nothing to lose because my kidney is only getting worse I'm going to need to go on dialysis soon I'm going to have to get a kidney transplant and and I may not and you know you don't necessarily have a full normal uh life expectancy when after you get a transplant it it extends life from where you are but it doesn't just it's not just like oh yeah everything's fine now you're on heavy medications and you you increase your infection risk your cancer risk uh they don't necessarily last an entire lifetime some of them you know you get a good you know 9 years 20 years out of them and and then they start to you know not work as as well or um or sometimes they can they can actually um like things like livers actually do really well but depending on the organ you're getting transplanted like it's not it's not just like oh yeah bang you you know 70 years done um that's not the case you you get more life but you're not you're not getting a normal life not by any stretch of the imagination uh by distance or quality and so it's just like okay you know I'll give it a try um he didn't even go 100% carnivore like he still had a bit of avocados which actually do have oxalates and um you know so um you know having a bit of you know avocados and you know maybe a couple other things but very very much ketogenic 95% meat 98% meat his kidney function went from 19% to 80% in three months Wow and his neologist was like you're going to kill yourself you're going to destroy your kidneys you have to stop this right away he said but my kidneys are getting better you know doing the opposite of what you said as I this this is just this is just a fluke This is Gonna Come Back this gonna this is gonna cost you all sudden he's just like listen everything that you've told me to do made my kidneys worse all the medications and ideas you said go plant-based you said cut out meat eat more plants I did all that my kidneys only got worse I did I now did uh the opposite of what you did I'm off all the drugs and now my kidney function has quad grupul so I'm not going to listen to you because obviously you have the wrong information and for that doctor to not even be able to see how ridiculous his recommendation was saying hey your kidney function is getting better but you just wait you just wait well I did wait and my kidneys and on ended up on the transplant list so what the hell are you talking about you know how can you say that my kidney functions are going to get worse what you were doing was my kidney function was getting worse well that's just what happens well now it's getting better so no that's not what happen happens but you're saying that I'm going to make it worse when in fact you see direct evidence that it got a lot better I don't I don't understand you know the cognitive dissonance that that people have they they've lost that Curiosity like you said that scientific um that idea of scientific Endeavor and and curiosity where that let's try to figure things out you know it's like no everything's being figured out we already know all we have to do is is repeat everything we did that actually we're probably in a second iteration of this Galen took hpoc uh recommendation saying you need to experiment you need to trial you need to you further your understanding of medicine to see what works the best and so he did that and he was one of the best people who did that at the time and I believe he was um the uh the personal physician for Marcus aurelus back in the Roman Empire and Galen was very famous very very famous guy um and um and so very good at he did took that idea of experimental you know Endeavor and scientific Endeavor really to heart and really tried to find out as much as he could and he found out a lot more than a lot of other people but the guy was so arrogant and so overly confident and full of himself that he said don't worry about what hypocrates said what we how we've been practicing medicine for the last several centuries since hypocrates how he revolutionized um Medical Practice you don't need to experiment on your own you don't need to test this and do this and do that all you need to do is study me because I've discovered everything everything there is to know about the human body in medicine I have discovered it I know everything I have figured out everything using those principles I have figured out everything so now you don't need to figure it out yourself all you have to do is study me read my books learn my teachings and that's it Western medicine for500 years was just direct roote memorization of galin and it took about 12200 years before someone who started actually doing a lot of dissection because it was illegal the church wouldn't let you do dissections for you know Millennia um because it was desecrating human remains and things like that during the Renaissance period around there they started letting people do dissections because the artists like Da Vinci Michelangelo Etc they wanted to do dissection so they could see how the body fit together perfectly so they can make more perfect lifelike art for the church so they said okay that's fine now doctors were allowed to do this too and so there's a guy I can't remember his name but he was the personal physician of the emperor of um austr Hungarian Empire and um very brilliant guy like the day he graduated medical school they made him head of the medical school this guy was just just super genius right and um and they were doing um dissections and so which what they had is they had these these bodies that were had been dissected and they had a guy would just sit up on a big platform and and he would just read from Galen like and this is this structure and this is this structure and this is this structure and you have a demonstrator like pointing at the different structures on it and there's just this guy read all it was just wrote uh learning from uh Galen and and he this kid had done a lot of human dissections he'd also done a lot of animal dissections and he realized that some of these structures that Galen was talking about didn't exist in humans they only existed in non-human primates and all of a sudden it dawned on him he's like hold on a second galin's never dissected a human before and all of a sudden just like that was that little crack in the dam where he just went holy like what else is he just making up you know and so he started thinking about it and looking at that and he started publishing this and writing about it the whole medical establishment that wanted his head he was very famous he was very influential and so he was able to sort of weather it but he was he was just like hey no this is wrong we're doing this wrong and so he started putting out other Publications um he ended up just sort of quitting and and retiring off in you know onto some Island somewhere and just chilling out because he's like I'm I'm just sick of you people um but that that was the crack in the dam but it took another 200 years to actually start going back to the original uh hypocritic sort of you know charge which was experiment do what works test see you know try new things don't just do things because they've always been doing things and um and that Galen exemplified and then broke you know it took another 200 years and that's when we get like you know fances bacon and Harvey and all these other sorts of people that actually started furthering our understanding and knowledge of the human body and medicine now we're in the second iteration of that you know we're doing things oh I taught that in medical school that's in residency no no that's what we do and and okay well you see the evidence in front of you that that's wrong nope nope nope NOP no can't be happening it's nothing to see here so we're in that same sort of thing that that we're just doing just doing the same old thing because that's what we were taught and that's what we were told and we're not using our brain we're not trying to figure out anything new if you don't try to figure anything else new you're never going to get anywhere there's going to be no progress right and so oh that's for these other people and these researchers no no it's for the people on the ground seeing what works and what doesn't work you can't have people working with theories you can't have people who talk about these things in the abstract oh well this study says this and this study says that okay but when you apply that to your patient set what happens right that's the only thing that that matters at the end of the day and so you have all these people saying well this is what the studies and this is what the data and this is what that well no that's what the studies and the data that you're looking at say but then when you have two competing theories you should have evidence with which to test them against and one of the best ways to test that is on the ground and you have patients that are doing X and you patients that are doing y who's better off and you know you're doing why and you're better off than every single one of their patients so where exactly is the disconnect where they think okay maybe I should try that like do you do you have a responsibility to your patients or don't you you know do you want the best outcomes for your patient or don't you or just want to you know punch the clock and just do what you've always been doing get paid go home have a you know have a drink and just forget your day you know because that's a depressing existence and that's why so many doctors get burnt out because it doesn't work it doesn't go well people they just get worse and worse and worse we apparently we're the only form of life on Earth or in existence that just decays as we go we just have all these just horrific problems our bodies are just falling apart and and and it's as you never see anything like that in nature anywhere but we're just the exceptions I guess and you just accept that and you just see these people getting worse and worse and worse despite all your best efforts and all the you know medical knowledge and information and people are are just dying in front of you and and people just get burnt out and like I can't can't do this anymore and then they're getting sick and then they're doing all the things that they've recommended for 40 years and they're getting all the same problems that their patients were getting and not getting better and they're like well what the hell what am I supposed to do and then you see someone right in front of you saying like hey I did something different and I got different results imagine that and absolutely not uh it's not sustainable blah blah blah blah blah I it it I'm sorry for going on a rant but it that really bothers me I think you can tell uh me as well um one of my least favorite doctors is my oncologist and I remember when I Swit because I had to take rrit injections because my hemoglobin is so low because of my kidney function and my bone these injections Inspire my bone marrow to make more red blood cells and I remember I used to have to go every 14 days and get lab work and a rrit injection and it was about a month month after I started carnivore and I was real heavy into red meat when I first started carnivore that was like I was just like Lion diet straight up lion diet and for the first month I didn't need an injection and then I went back the next two weeks didn't need another injection and I went something like 90 days without requiring an injection and finally because I saw the doctor every 90 days normally I just go in for lab work and injections if needed and he's like what are you doing and I'm like I'm doing the carnivore diet matter fact I eat nothing but red meat and he's like oh my gosh that's going to damage your blood vessels you're gonna and I'm like well then I'm gonna die a happy woman feeling the best I've ever felt I mean it's just doctor after doctor after doctor that I've seen I just have to listen to it and let it go out the other ear like I'm here for my insulin refills I'm here for what obviously I need I need a rrit injection but all of your nutrition advice it in one ear out the other like I I just I have to kind of like grit my teeth and bear it yeah well I guess I guess you can always just say you know it's like well seems to be working for me so I'm just going to keep doing it yeah you know and you just keep doing that and and the less phased you are and the less sort of like pissed off you get the more pissed off they'll get that's one of the most infuriating things is when you're upset and the other person is not and they're just like they're just talking to you in a calm way like you're a child having a tantrum and you're just like well you know I mean if working for me so I I don't see why I should stop and say oh you're going to get heart disease well you know all my bar bar markers say that I'm not and so I'm I'm fine and I've lost 90 pounds and I've reversed diabetes and I reversed my autoimmune issues and I've come off these medications all of which are going to help me prevent heart disease and further uh deleterious you know Health ramifications and so it's working for me so I'm just going to keep doing it and you do that and they're just going to keep just just screaming against the wall and it's not going to go anywhere and then they're going to be like God damn it you know what the hell's going on and um you might actually make them think but at least it hey it's a little fun for you because you can watch them get pissed off and squirm and and B um you know it's not it's not taking up your your mental energy dealing with with idiots that just don't want to listen or think hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia Stockman staks who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats Flash Frozen and vacuum sealed to your door something I've 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haven't talked to in years they'll go on my YouTube channel oh my gosh Emily you look better than you did when you were 20 what are you doing you know and it's it's just Word of Mouth at this point and I think once you at some point Dr chaffie when you have thousands upon hundreds of thousands of an anecdotal evidence that's what they refer to me as I'm anecdotal evidence at some point anecdotal has to become concrete evidence like at some point there has to be a switch so that's my goal is just to keep shouting it from the rooftops that healing is possible this is the way God made our bodies he made them if you cut out the toxins and the poisons they can heal and there's hope and there's healing you know you don't have to live in the pit of despair and just shrivel up and die you really don't I mean I'm I am living breathing proof that you know I was on a knee scooter with a foot ulcer that required a wound back and I no longer I mean I'm in regular tennis shoes I I can walk five miles a day without ulcers without a knee scooter you know and it's just that's just one area there's so many areas in my life that have just revitalized that's I mean that's it's just revitalization it's like I'm a child again but in a 4 three-year-old body like I have the energy I have the excitement of oh what is going to what am I what am I going to do today you know a lot of the nurses will be like there's something different about you there's something like you have this Aura I hear that often I'm like that's a carnivore Aura that's what it is you know it's hope and it's healing it's possible so you know my goal now is just to spread the positive word just as loud as I can from the rooftops to anybody that has ears to listen and eyes to see it this is the way to heal yeah absolutely and you know you can point out to the those doctors they say well that's you're just anecdotal evidence he's like well my anecdotal evidence is i that's at least more evidence than you have U for this not working like all all the things that you're doing make people worse this is the one piece of of evidence that shows that it gets better and um but in fact there actually are copious amounts of studies that show that that ketogenic diets high protein diets all improv kidney function that reverse diabetes Etc so and do not cause heart disease and and actually reverse cardiometabolic issues like high blood pressure like um and we're seeing card um congestive heart failure is reversing I mean you're getting people that don't need a a heart transplant anymore and and and then I mean I mean how is that you know that's going to massively um help Society in general because there are not enough Hearts to go around people that need them now all of a sudden you just take out you know a major portion of the people that need heart transplants they don't need heart transplants anymore potentially you know we'll we'll see how that plays out with more people but i' I've yet to see somebody with congestive heart failure who goes carnivore who doesn't improve and um I have patients that have have gone down to like 14% um heart function you know ejection fraction and then 3 four months later on a carnivore die they have normal ejection fractions and they're off all their medications so I mean this is completely life-altering and life changing and and we can get people off those transplant lists um and and have more resources available to the people that actually just they have no option and they they they need this have some some other sorts of issue that that isn't preventable or reversible and uh that's that's only that's only a good thing um well I I I I really enjoyed that I I wanted to say some ask you some some of the Practical things for people if somebody is a type 1 diabetic who is trying to do this you know what are some of the the day-to-day um issues that you may have found you know titrating your dose did you get hypos did you have any sort of concerns do you have swings in your blood sugar now or is it is it is it pretty even and or what sort of advice can you give to other people with type 1 diabetes who may be considering a ketogenic or carnivore diet um this is my experience MH so I use an insulin pump that is attached to a CGM so it will it's called the closed loop technology so if it can predict my blood sugar rising or falling in 30 minutes so when I first started um I was still doing carb counting where you look at the nutrition facts which are not accurate but you look at the nutrition facts say it's 20 grams of carbs and you enter that into your pump so when I started keto for me it was Hardcore just cut out everything with carbs in it the very first day so it I looked at like an egg I would have four eggs the eggs have 67 grams of carbs in it and a lot of protein so in my pump they have something called an extended bolus which will titrate out that insulin slowly over two hours so that's what I began doing day one I would look at what few carbs are in what I'm about to eat and I would put it on the extended Bolis setting now for the first I'd say about the first six weeks I really had Dawn phenomena going on big time I would wake up I wouldn't eat anything but my blood sugar would be like 180 so I would take insulin to break bring my blood sugar down but once I kind of I don't I'm not a doctor I don't know where that glucose was coming from my assumption is it was stored in my liver and it was kind of kicking it out whenever it wanted to um But after those first six weeks my blood sugars are stable as long as um my insulin pump is working properly sometimes uh I've noticed that now I have to change my infusion sites every two days if I go longer like the dosage is supposed to be every 3 days if I go into three days my blood sugars will slowly start creeping up and I'm like okay it's not absorbing right I need to change so I'll change my infusion set and it'll go right back down now with carnivore I don't even dose for protein anymore I know that sounds crazy but I don't my blood sugars don't go up because I I believe it's because I eat so much fat with the protein that it like it'll it'll like slow like 115 maybe2 after that's my blood sugar after I eat like a one pound ribeye um or um you know three eggs four eggs two pieces of bacon with a bunch of butter on top if I take away the fat and I eat like lean chicken breast that will raise my blood sugar so as long as I eat the protein along with the fat I don't have to dose it doesn't affect my blood sugar my last A1C was 5.4 I mean I I don't know if you can see on my insulin pump but let me hold it up I don't know if you can see that it is straight across nice with an arrow I mean that's I I don't know it is I know that type 1 diabetics you know especially if they're taking like long acting insulin at night or in the morning like the lantis or levir you're going to have to reduce that so you don't have hypos if you're GNA go straight like carnivore so I recommend like cut it back a lot I don't know how much because everybody's body is different but within the first three months of me starting keto I was on 60% less insulin I went from 100 to 120 units a day requiring down to 40 to 50 and then once I went carnivore I mean it's crazy how little insulin I get now it's it's just my basil rate that's all I need is just the the little bit of insulin it gives me every hour you know strung out on my insulin pump um I I take anywhere from 15 to 20 units a day just depending on how my blood sugars are but I mean now it's like a rarity if my blood sugar gets at 180 it's a rarity because then I know all right either is in C going on I'm super stressed out or I need to change my insulin site my my infusion site because that one's you know not absorbing insulin anymore so those are my suggestions and um hopefully find an endocrinologist that will work with you but if you can't get Dr Richard Bernstein's book The Diabetes Solution and follow his protocol that book plus my Bible are like the two books next to my bed that like I I live out dayto day like that that book is as important not as important but it's up there like with the Bible for me that book saved my life and not just that book but you Dr chaffy Dr Dr Ken Barry I mean all these doctors that are going against the grain I mean it's you all have saved my life it's not the doctors that see in the office that have saved my life you all have saved my life so diabetics type one type two whatever your metabolic syndrome disease is insulin resistance just absorb as much as you can it's free go on YouTube look at look at these doctors listen to testimonials and try it for 90 days I mean what's the worst thing that's going to happen try it for 90 days it's not going to kill you yeah it's going to get better you're going to feel better I promise you will yeah I feel better than I did when I was N9 years old I mean I have not felt this good since I was diagnosed with diabetes honest I have not it's like miraculous yeah well that's great well I mean thank you so much for that that's absolutely great advice and and I hope that um that uh that people are able to hear that and and that there are a lot of other I'm sure there are a lot of people that are going to be watching this and thinking about this or know people that um that could benefit from this so you know if that's you listening today or if you know someone who uh would be benefited by that please do share this with them I think that's absolutely fantastic advice Emily thank you so much for coming on it's been an absolute pleasure I just I absolutely love talking to you I could keep talking to you forever it's just been a lot of fun um but uh how how how do people reach you and and what's um the name of your YouTube channel so that people can find more of your work yeah I am on YouTube only like I said I'm kind of not on social media I have too much other stuff fun stuff going on but um it's called carnivore Revival because I literally feel like I've been revived so that's why I call it carnivore Revival and it's kind of my journey and my experience and people all the time and com like leave comments and ask questions and I I respond to all my comments I read them I you know I I spend time reading them and responding to them um and I really want to get the word out that's my goal now is to break down the the sick care system and really make it a Health Care system from the Grassroots up yeah definitely well I will uh put that in Link in the description everyone can go and check you out there and uh please everybody do go and support Emily's Channel And subscribe and check out her videos and share them with anybody you know that could be helped by that specifically people with diabetes which is a massive and growing issue so uh thank you very much Emily it's a absolute pleasure and thank you everyone for watching I hope you enjoy that and please do share this with at least 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