"Cancer Patients NEED To Know About This!" | Sami Tugano

one gentleman told me that in his Department their head of Department was getting on their case because they were recommending ketogenic diets meat-based high fat ketogenic diets to their patients and how can you do that how can you do that that's you know it's against all the guidelines against this it's against that said look this is evidence-based medicine the guidelines are against the evidence and so I'm doing this and this is helping people and his head of Department said to him like well I don't practice evidence-based medicine I practice guideline based medicine as if that was you know some sort of redeemable quality as opposed to just just a copout and um and a you know measure to protect themselves from being Su uh but knowingly not doing the right thing welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically all right hello everyone thanks to you thank you for joining me for another episode of the plantree MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest Sammy who has a very interesting and compelling story to tell us about her journey with health and the cornivore diet Sammy thank you so much for coming on thank you very much for having on your show I'm super excited to share all of my story with you yeah thank you so much so um for those who who haven't come across you I know you've been on on a couple other podcasts uh before but for those who haven't seen you before can you tell us a bit about yourself sure hello everybody I'm Sami from Japan I have a intriguing interesting cancer story to share with you today my story starts from my early life or veganism right at the age six when I became a vegan not because I wanted to save the planet or thinking about the animal rights that's because of the fact that I had a a lot of skin is issues going on and one day we went to U dermatologist she decided that the reason I had a skin issue was I was eating animal fresh since then I became a strict vegan kid Mar nished by the way I was born in 1972 I was raised by single mom at that time I think my mom couldn't Fe out how to raise fatherless child so at the age four she decided to take on night job night job I mean the the night shift job she would leave uh PR 3 p.m. and she did would come back until next day meaning that I have zero caretaker zero observation at already for being extremely lonely and a malnourishment and the thing is that she left abundant of food because of I'm I'm vegan that she the food was carbohydrate you see being ex abundance of carbohydrate and then marish malnourishment these are the perfect recipe for eating disorders yes at uh 15 years old I developed the sever severe eating disorder that lasted 24 years one day I went to the psychiatrist despite the fact that that guy the psychiat had published several books they are all about mental health but he didn't know anything about Bia which I was she he knew little about anorexic conditions so I was given diagnose this as ptic lying the person cannot help lying Hing a lie all the he told that I'm telling a lie canot stop eating so I was given 17 psychiatric medicines a day uh tranquilizer stabilizer antidepressent s all of that stuff none of those things helped of course but uh the the thing is that as a as a parging behavior I developed which was lifethreatening two lifethreatening parging behaviors one was self buiting self-induced vomiting stuff I did that every day twice a day sometimes I cut the throat or esophagus deeply ashamed I wanted to kill myself another one which lead to my cancer taking a laxative I want to gu things out and laxative abuse became so intensified to the point that I took the laxative 250 tablets a day for decades wow I know so intense intense and at the time my diet was three to five buckets of fruits and vegetable and carbohydrate the the thing is that the fact that why I get the cancer I got the cancer this is about the question I keep getting asking asked is a prolong exposure to insult from the laxative abuse to my colon and fibrous food for 25 years no doubt no doubt about that Human Being Human Being we are very very capable of taking care of Big B of acute stress you know being cut or even lifting deadlifting hundreds and hundreds of pound you do it's a very very big stress but your body somewhat of course you have a you know inflammation going on but later on you will recover from the Big B of stress but for me majority I think of cancer patients they have a longlasting prolonged you know exposure to like a insult or inflammation these are the thing that becoming cancerous but anyway I just uh talked about why I got the cancer and first forward uh the thing is that because of my you know prolonged uh life threaten parching Behavior I stopped socializing in at home I knew no doctor helped me so I took a correspondence course for in biology biochemistry toxicology then pharmacology all the two help myself and that's why 2017 I came across a uh literature which is all which was all about ketogenic diet ketogenic diet originally designed for EP kids with epilepsy interesting though is that I was given anti-seizure drugs for eating disorders I don't know how it works but anyway I had given then I thought so ketogenic diet has antiseizure effect it might work and I try that yes but it worked you know that crazy eating disorder resolved but the thing is that yes it's great the keto solved psychiatric conditions but the keto shouldn't solve my GI problem Rin pain conspiration all of that but luckily 2018 finally I came across Carnival diet embraced it this was a true Game Changer and I only ate beef FY beef I nailed it that are I think two three benefits I got from the carnal diet number one uh a benefit was broing resolved broing completely went away even day one Carnival diet it was the first time for me to see my tummy ratting R it was amazing second benefit was energy energy went to the roof obviously uh previously I was vegans and stuff my weight was 170 pounds like a 32 kilogram I'm a 5 to 56 CM so absolutely gaed mated but being on a Carnival I was able to gain my muscle becoming so strong really really like to see myself improv in at the gym and the thir benefit I got was actually easy interm fasting already 2017 Dr Jason F got father of the fasting started to talk about oh fasting is good autopathy whatever then I thought I will try that I try that but uh the thing oh one thing I have to mention is that originally I was plantbased Diet yeah a bunch of you know like greens and olive oil a lot of a lot of olive oil MH the thing is that my calor intake when I was a br based Kito was very very high but for me longer than 14 hours fasting was or too much I couldn't make it but now Carnival everybody knows who are on Carnival you don't need to calm the time hours to break the fast it's naturally landing on the maybe 60 to 80s and 19s somewhere around three 19 hours is a sweet spot for me no effort I would say this is one of the benefits I got from the switching into the carnival diet from plantbased ketogenic diet sounds like oxymoron already but the thing is that I was really enjoying the uh recovering from the mental illness and enjoying the becoming strong but the thing is that my life getting a little bit twitched where 2020 21 somewhere around there are a bunch of Publications they are all about microbiome F gut with fiber it sounded so good to me because let's face it Dr chy you don't like BOS but I had I had eaten so many vegetables that's why I can't help sometime this is the one of those things that sometimes female can't help loving the bat guys knowing that they're not going to love me back but I can't help this is a one of those things that sometimes I dream about crunchiness of the cucumbers and sorry and then I Incorporated some of the fibrous vegetables into my Carnival diet admittedly almost all Gast gastrointestinal issue made a comeback but I kept going because as they say you know your gut is going to adjust the fibrous environment sounded good to me I kept going until One Day 2021 April after eating mushrooms I know it's a lot of cogenic you already mentioned that and then meat I started to notice that there is a d pain in my stomach which was intense F and next day I went to the closest Clinic I think they must have found something horrendously bad in my system without noticing anything to me they sent me to the gigantic hospital where they found that I was incubating a very very very Advanced stage of stage four corrector cancer metastasis liver and a limp notes yes I underwent very intensive surgery and H half of the colum was out mainly ascending colum and one third of the liver was taken away a four Li nor out were out and for some reason they removed appendix big surgery and then unfortunately I had to experience complication and that's needed another surgery very very painful time and soon after I discharged from the hospital I started to take on the chemotherapy here's the SC months two what they formed was that already there was a new metastasis in my liver having a big operation strong nasty chemo then I developed metastasis I was gaining the understanding of how less effective the mod modern medicine for cancer approach can be that was my uh conclusion but the thing is I wasn't so upset about news of new metastasis why here the thing before I was diagnosed as such I have known about ketogenic diet for cancer treatment I knew doctors didn't know it that is a you know knowledge is power I wasn't I I wasn't so depressed of course in pain you think about your life sucks but but generally I was rather chill out and um the thing is and not only than that but also H given the advice from Dr cyre Boston College one of the most most important you know cancer biologist on this planet and according to his theory not Theory this is a fact that cancer gets fued by two energy substrate uh Dr chaffy you know that but for the sake of audience that you know mainly glucose and Dr CI created the gki you know like a crucial number for cancer treatment gki number stands for group ose keto index cancer uh SL on glucose but cancer is not able to to tribe on Ketone but your body is able to meaning that low glucose in your system and high Ketone in your system is perfect for cancer treatment prevention management uh given the advice I was gaining the confidence oh look what I'm doing great keep going I was able to achieve the very very low gki number quite easily but my cancer Journey went to wrong mean the wrong direction here's the thing uh the thing is that I actually one years ago I was on Dr sha Baker's show at the time I was talking about hey look I'm quite healthy you know hitting the gy hit the PE I was overconfident the true fact is that three months before I was on Dr sh Baker show Baker show I had two CT scannings what they discovered was the I developed new metastasis to my lungs it's a big deal isn't it but the thing is that I wasn't fully aware of I know know seriousness of metastasis maybe three reasons one be on the Carnival diet you are going to be very very healthy and strong and happier so I don't feel like a I'm having very serious stuff going on number two no symptoms still I went to the gym you know lift the weight I have no symptom you know it I can do heat training all out training I can do it why B third thing is that I always full of energy that's why being told hey look your your mass or noo that in your L is expanding like I'm all right I'm on Carnival should be all right I was overconfident even on the do show show I was laughing about my uh metastasis But Here Comes the life saving event which was Dr Sher show after uh airing his show uh that that's kind of a brought thousand actually great incredible supportive supportive people in my Instagram Channel exploded and the out one of one of the my followers original followers she's a cancer biologist Pia she is kind of a helping cancer patient herself big shout out to Pia and she kept telling me that hey Sami did you check gki number oh yeah I did that one years ago it was fantastic but since then I hadn't check to that because I was confident and then since she was persistant annoyed but anyway I checked that the GK number at the moment was alarmingly high incredibly high now I realize that I was making a crucial mistakes I'm going to explain the mistakes later on E even that being on a Carnival and you know doing exercise still you can make mistakes in terms of the cancer treatment cancer management I have to say management not treatment three mistakes one was a as I mentioned that I was overconfident I completely forgot about I was cancer patient which shouldn't be happening cancer is no joke very serious illness you have to think about all the time to some extent number two the my goal was hypotrophy I wanted to be big Dr chy like that you know so I was you know really into fitness and to achieve in hypertrophy general advice dietary intervention uh will be high intake of protein I was you know Ching down the protein shakes and trying to achieve the 200 gram of the protein for my small B build person which was too too much mistake three was that the thing is that if you want to increase the protein intake by eating just beef is pricey difficult financially difficult so I Incorporated fish pork chicken XS into my diet this is a actually mistake I'm going to explain later now I realize that I have to get the gki number down first attempt I did was prong to intermit fasting already I to I talked about the fact that it become became easy to do longer fasting but for me for some reason if I do Beyond 20 uh hours fasting I'm going to be cranky grumpy lack of motivation nothing worked so I gave up and then what I realized was that when I was able to achieve the low gki number I was on the lion diet only beef diet could be the reason then I switch back to the uh you know beef only diet boom gki number pleted bloed here comes my explanation I Incorporated variety of meat here is a can be the problematic let us talk about ruminant animals the cows and stuff you know beef they have four stomach Chambers and a unique bacteria they digest absorb the food slowly enough to the point that somewh they can detoxify The Unwanted substance for us to some extent even though in a Comm practice the end of their life they were given the Cor B and so stuff sprinkling with some the kind of nasty chemicals andu still they can detoxify to some extent in contrast monogastric animals H chicken pork fish and eggs and stuff they are having only one stomach hence the name of monogastric animals so what they eat it's going to reflect on their flesh that's why in my case uh if I eat monogastric animals someone that L you of the kind of stuff it's going to affect me to the point that here's the thing if you have something kind of a in you have a inflammatory response to your body senses as oh it's a stressful your cortisol goes up if your corol goes up your your liver dumps some glucose glucose goes up and Insulin goes up and keto goes down this is a kind a metabolism cycle so that's why I think I was not able to produce enough keton but at this point I have to mention this this is a kind of a geeky part majority of people most of majority people who you are get away with eating a you know chicken and you know like a pork and fish well I think only people who need to think about this aspect are cancer patient or who are uh having a neurogenerative diseases Alzheimer Parkinson or or autoimmune disease or severe psychiatric conditions or or severe type two you know Advanced type two diabetes these kind of people we are focus on this aspect la oh my goal is fat Ro just eat a whatever you can have as a carnival I think it works it works I I just wanted to mention because I'm getting asked so Sam uh um do we have to you know the ditch the chicken the pork no no no no no you all right you healthy go ahead I just want to mention that now the consequence of eating a too much protein I don't know it's called glucogenesis or much too much M I don't know maybe too much protein is kind of something that against my treatment and eating variety of meat these are the mistake I had to realize but the thing is that with the knowledge from these kind of mistakes and the achievement I am getting including I didn't to die uh I kind of gain a knowledge to the point that currently I happily in is able to help people with cancer I kind of a made my Approach of course based on the Dr sa protocol and I Incorporated exercise importance of the exercise and also sleep and Stress Management sanism then emotional support I do I I don't have a family to support my cancer uh no no no doctor to support my cancer but I gained a good Community my tribe in on Instagram I have to kind of give give back the the I was getting that's why I'm conducting a free consultant for people who are suffering from cancer I really appreciate that what I'm doing but I'm able to do yeah well that's amazing how how well that's a that's an absolutely amazing Story and there's there's some really good insights there that I think will help a lot of people specifically with with the red meat only di having that affect your gki I think that's something that not everybody is is is too aware of and that's very good to know yes indeed indeed that here the thing H uh I always think about the fact that these days many in influencers or health gurus they started to talk about high protein high protein more than better more High more yes it's good it's good but uh I think that if you have a some some conditions if even uh difficult difficulty of fat loss or even can't sleep whatever it it is if you have something something in your in your your health con Health Wise at least you have to try ketogenic approach you know yes high protein I think Dr chaffy or Dr Shan Baker the people this kind of you know very very healthy people despite of the really really high protein you are able to achieve that uh uh Ketone level very nicely but other than that almost 90% people metabolically unhealthy just a you know the following the great physi um physique you know in sometimes it takes you the wrong direction in my opinion how how about how do you think about high protein approach in general to the general population hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show for every body down in Australia Stockman steaks who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed tood door something I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore 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Au and I'll see you over there thanks guys well certainly people need more protein than they're eating as as an average for the normal person but the normal person is extremely malnourished and so as a proportion of your diet I don't think it needs to be the majority but it's going to be a lot more than what normal people are eating but I think you need you you certainly need enough protein you need enough fat as well because people don't realize sometimes that fat is not just a calorie Source in fact I think calories are a bit of a the wrong way to describe the energy metabolism in our body fat is an essential nutrient it has it's actually a cluster of essential nutrients they're essential fatty acids which you have to have or you die and you don't have good health and they're essential fat soluble nutrients that you have to have or you die or have ill health so you need enough of these things and you and the proportion seems to be for us and other animals in the wild about one to two grams of fat for every one gram of protein so that ends up being as a proportion of grams 50% protein to 33% protein as a proportion of calories it's much less um if you want to think about things as calories it's 70 to 80% calories from fat as opposed to protein so um again I think I think thinking about things in terms of calories is a bit problematic there's a lot of things in protein that never get used as as calories they get no not it's also energy exactly it gets used as as building blocks as Building Material it builds your body up same with fat a lot of the Omega-3s and different sorts of fats are used to build your body and and your hormones and things like that with cholesterol so it's not as as cut and dry as just calories in calories out I think that's that's a bit sophomoric you know people don't don't uh realize just how much more complicated things are than that yes can I can I add one thing about fat the reason I kind of recovered from eating this order is because of fat you know previously my diet was zero fat diet here here the thing uh I couldn't control my portion at home that's why I used to go to mcdonal for lunch because of the financial reason the McD is a cheapest spr to eat something when there I will order the burger and french fry some tea starts from French fry I pick up the paper napkin I squeeze crap out of the fat the french fry and and until there is no stain be found and then I ate that almost paper and next go Burger I get it of the Pate of course I pick it up the paper and squeeze the the the burger to death until there is no stain it's going to show up and I ate a cardboard but this are this is the only way I safely ate I was able to eat imagine my brain has zero zero available fat of course it's G mental literally and then even though that originally I was put the B getting some olive oil still uh is worked another thing I'd like to mention about the fat is that I I'm talk I frequently I talk about eating disorders I'm very very knowledgeable about eating disorder than cancer biology to be exact and then I am recommending people who are suff to eat animal fat why plant oils yes this is something actually very very new interation from in terms of the human history maybe 100 years ago 200 years ago if you are rich enough you can hire the S and maen people to squeeze olive oil and and get that olive oil but it is very rare but animal F we relied on animal for for Mia since don't know F mity which means that your body knows how to utilize how to digest how to process how to utilize everything compared to the very very new intervention that is why and also station I get from uh like a animal fat is absolutely absolutely helpful for long time satiation what what do you think about it Dr no yeah I think that um fat is is extremely important and um it's very interesting when I speak to people like such as yourself with who had had eating disorders and combed them with a carnivore diet because I I see that and I see how that works and I but I do wonder about the transition period and how you you did that because like you said you were squeezing out every ounce that and then you go to you know a fairly high fat diet because I do talk to some people now who say that well look i' I've struggled with eating disorders in the past I'm very nervous about doing a carnivore diet because that seems very restrictive you know you get taught in in many of these uh courses not not courses but you know counseling sessions for eating disorders that you shouldn't restrict anything just eat whatever you want and everything like that it's just and and I think that's that that may be the wrong approach I don't know how successful the results are but you know you're sort of giving people bad eating habits and then they're getting then they're getting bad Health outcomes and they're putting on unhealthy weight and they don't like that and so they go back to their old ways again potentially and I do see people like yourself who've combed that by going on a high fat meat-based diet or natural diet and I do think that this was the the uptick in in Eating Disorders since the 1970s when it had a massive increase was was largely in part to vilifying meat and fat and then that sort of deranged how we we ate and but I I do wonder about that transition and because I wanted learn about that a bit more so that I can counsel people because I can tell them that people have done this and like well something happens and they they don't feel restricted and you can eat as much as you want it's just you just don't eat certain things and you know why would you want to eat something that's not food anyway why would you want to eat something that's not good for you anyway so you're not doing that you're just eliminating things that are not good for you you're only eating things that are good for you and you eat as much as you want so there's no limitations from that standpoint but I I would love to hear your thoughts on that transition period and how you would people who are who are having an eating disorder and then transitioning them over to a carnivore diet all right my transition is actually uh long time not long time one years of 10 months of Frant based kogen diet where zero fat two lit of lit of you know olive oil because I was subscribing what's Gand and St Gand and very PL uh doctors like a plant BAS doctors and my clim and stuff I believe that olive oil was Game Changer and there is a something like uh it is said that if you increase a fat from zero fat diet you g to have a diarrhea diarrhea all kind of stuff but I had been always constipated and then even I bumped up the fat or Z2 lit lit I didn't experience any Di ear episode zero and my transition is as smooth as hell no no side effect my my body was absolutely waiting waiting for 24 years but I have heard that many people about maybe go brothers and haven't got used to the fat of course it's it's kind of a common sense you're going to have to gradually increase a p intake but I'm a zero or person the all the same person I do into and and know all of the you know like a spectrum beyond the Spectrum and reach the I zero uh symptoms but yeah another thing though I was about to say which um my brain is escaping from the escaping in terms of the F sorry sorry I was I I wanted to say something but I my brother campus is little bit smaller because I'm my my brain got stuned from the long time you know big and diet yeah that is something oh yes yes thank you very much the thing is that people or Med Med medicine in general they assume that uh eating disorder is mental is disorder something to do with your brain something to your psychology maybe you had a traumatic event in a childhood or PTSD something something in your psychology it it to I had an episode I was extremely L abundant and but I would say not all of the people who have had a you know like a medical no no psych psych no no like a traumatic events are going to develop eating disorder but all of the eating disorder patient must have had some of the calorie restriction or excessive calorie expenditure here's my video even even yourself doctor Dr shy you know if you skip the meal day or something intentionally or intentionally or you did the exert exercise long time you will find yourself eating over eating at the next meal it's a normal human survival mechanism otherwise it would be dead long time ago you were expending C all the time in sting your calorie all the time you have been dead that's why you know the being this having a districted calorie lifestyle long enough your body or your brain senses as crisis especially you know the leil type of brain the the taking care of the survival oh it's gonna it's gonna have a starvation we're gonna have to give you a liness hunger find the food it worked to start forging when we were Hunter gathers but now if you have a food seeking Behavior most likely you're going to get the quick energy source called carbohydrate that's why you know calorie D let's say nutrition deficiency comes first before we're going to think about you know like a your your mental side it's you don't need to think that your your mentally went wrong is a nutritious deficiency you have to get it right other other than that just a going to the psychiatrist and psychologist and taking a a cognitive behavioral therapies and Mindless mindful eating the meditation and going to work you have to get that nutrition especially animal fat and protein this is my sort of I I hope that I answered your question yeah well I think it's um yeah I think that's the biggest hurdle for people is that that mental hurdle is that if they've struggled with an eating disorder previously that the the thoughts is if you if you do sort of any restriction on what you're eating then that then that could lead you down the wrong path again and I certainly haven't seen that I certainly have seen a lot of success stories like yours where people have battled with um eating disorders and then they they actually say it's very freeing they're able to eat as much as they want they feel good and they feel great and and they don't have any interest in restricting or purging or anything like that and so it's just it's just um dealing with that that mental leap sort of getting over that that thought process of like this is going back to restrictive eating which is you know which can be thought of uh negatively in the sort of the the eting disorder world yeah and so yeah right another thing though I just add this topic is that I had a conversation with one of the followers uh his NE nephew was kept in hospital for anorexia really really low body weight and then and I talked about this passionately and he he goes butami the analystic girl is getting the enough nutrients from the IV dop or some of the the food from the hospital in a eating this order work but I told him that that the you know the food from the from the hospital are based on the you know guideline not food the pyramid anymore but you know you know me right like a carbohydrate loading food and and then that most likely she's given the glucose and vitamin bad and you know nothing to do with animal fat or animal protein of course she she she's not going to um go well but unfortunately we can't do anything about it because this is the hospital policy yeah do you have some kind of a cognitive resonance to think about you know hospit food yeah well the hospital food is always terrible around the world it's just sugary carbs sugary carbs sugary carbs and and this is coming from a lot of the nutritionists and dietitians that that are being taught that this is this is the way to eat I have no idea why they would look at that and say wow that looks like a healthy meal uh but that seems what they're taught is it and that seems to be what they're taught and and and a lot of this stuff is coming directly through from you know the the processed food and sugar companies you know they're they're dictating what's taught in the nutritional programs they're they're influencing the guidelines are influencing the politicians and bureaucrats who make the guidelines and that's the thing guidelines are people people need to understand how guidelines come about before they start blindly following these things because they're not done by scientists and doctors and the best in the that yeah Seven Day Adventist and stuff well there's that yeah exactly well the seventh day Adventists have had a lot of influence but even just from a political side of things you or just from a from a you know just how the structure is the they may ask for people's opinions they may ask for researchers opinions and you know and who knows who they're going to ask and what their particular complex they they select they select that people who are going to tell them that kind of a put that pable for their business absolutely and then on top of that they may or may not listen to them anyway because I've spoken to people who have been involved in in managing the guidelines and recommending to the guidelines and they tell me like this is what happen happens we go there and we give them hundreds of pages dozens of pages of of scientific you know journals and literature and and recommendations based on on these different sorts of uh pieces of information and then they go behind closed doors for a couple weeks and they come out with something very different and so they may take pieces of that but they will they just simply choose what the guidelines are they don't necessarily base them on anything you know uh any robust evidence or even the recommendations of the experts so it is it is purely up to the bureaucrats it's their political whim as to what the guidelines are so if you understand that then then you understand that that you can't just blindly trust these things and as doctors we need to understand that as well because it's the same way for medical guidelines as well and and it just makes me shiver whenever I hear doctors say no you have to follow the guidelines guidelines guidelines guidelines guidelines are there it's a guideline it's something that if you have no idea what you're doing you can use this as a guideline to guide you down the path and at least you won't deviate too far and you maybe you won't hurt too many people and and you're safe you're protected legally and so you know if you stay within the guidelines then you're always protected I I I did the guidelines and it was the wrong thing and hor horrible and it killed hundreds of people but I those are guidelines so you won't get sued even if you hurt a lot of people and so people will tend to do that but again it's a guideline so if you're still learning and you're young and inexperienced in the field sure you know I think it's it's I think it's very appropriate to follow the guidelines but then you get more experience and you see more and you study more and you learn more and you research more you realize actually the guidelines aren't perfect I'm I think this is a better way and then you start doing those and you you might get better results and you know you might fly without a parachute a bit because you're going outside of the guidelines you you are really taking taking your your um you know your your safety of your medical license and you know getting sued into your into your own hands but that's what you're supposed to do as a professional and an adult you you take responsibility for the decisions that you make and the actions that you take and so if you think that this is the best thing and you want to apply that to your patients and you're getting good results then that's what you do you don't you don't do something that you think is wrong for them just to cover your own ass that's cya medicine cover your ass medicine I think that's that's completely wrong and obviously we're in a very litigious age and so people feel that they have to do that sometimes but I think it's completely wrong I think it's completely unethical and so if you're starting out and you just you don't really know what to do follow the guidelines that's great but that's for people that are really inexperienced and don't know better and when you look at what the guidelines are and how they come about you understand that these aren't written by doctors and scientists and researchers more often than not they're written by Bure bureaucrats that say well this is these are the recommendations they may be influenced by that they may ask for advice but they're generally very different from from what was actually recommended to them I've I've spoken to many people who are involved in that process and they put in reams of papers saying hey this is what we think you should do this is what we think the recommendations should be and they come out completely different to that and I have no idea where these people got about this from and they can have industry influence they corporate capture they can be you know just influence from from whatever you know may they may be a politician that's involved in you know the core and growing communities in Nebraska and they're like well we need to include you know corn and this that and the other we have to recommendation you know because that that helps their constituents politically so a lot of these things are politically minded and could be extremely biased for one reason or another like the seventh day Adventists who have been religiously anti meet for 150 years and they have had politicians and bureaucrats and people in The Who and all and and placing very high areas and very famous doctors who who have subscribed to that Dr gundry I don't know if he is a Seventh Day Adventist but I believe he is a a professor and works as a cardiothoracic surgeon at LOM Linda Medical Center which is the 7-Day Adventist Hospital I I believe I I hope I'm not um you know misreporting that but his involvement with the the Adventist you know it explains why he he wrote a book called The Plant Paradox because he does feel it's a paradox he's a very smart man and heod and he saw look plants have toxins they don't want you to eat them these toxins do cause harm and that's a paradox because we're supposed to eat plants and plants are so wonderful anything it's not a paradox plants are toxic you don't want to eat them they're not good for you well straightforward yes it is very straightforward so you know it's not it's not the plant paradox it's it's the plant fact they're toxic they don't they don't want you to eat them which he knows and he understands but because he comes from that that background and he's had that influence put upon him and he believes that meat's not a great idea and you need to eat plants it's a paradox to him and so you know that has a lot of influence because he has a lot of influence he has a lot of reach because he is a very smart man he is very capable and he has influenced a lot of people and helped lot of people it's just that he has these influences on his own uh way of looking at things as well so you don't know what people's influences are you don't know where these recommendations are coming from and so just blindly trusting the guidelines is problematic to say the least and so you know I that it's you know and when I I hear doctors say no you you always follow the guidelines it's like well the guidelines go against the evidence you know we're supposed to evidence-based practitioners I think if you follow the evidence everything that I'm doing is evidence-based and I've had this conversation with me oh how can you say this is all evidence-based we practice evidence-based medicine and I've got I've had I've had people try to challenge me on that and I show them this and they say yeah no that's that's correct you're right you're you're following evidence-based medicine and so as just because it goes against the guidelines and and you know different recommendations does doesn't mean that it's not with the evidence it's not evidence based medicine if you you know I I spoke to uh a number of doctors who who said that you only follow the guidelines like okay well that's you're you're you you're going to need to you know grow up eventually you know because that's not the right way to go about your practice and um one one gentleman told me that in his Department um their head of Department was was was getting on their case because they were recommending ketogenic diets meat-based high fat ketogenic diets to their patients and how can you do that how can you do that that's you know it's against all the guidelines against this it's against that so look this is evidence-based medicine the guidelines are against the evidence and so I'm doing this and this is helping people and his head of Department said uh to him like well I don't practice evidence-based medicine I practice guideline based medicine as if that was you know some sort of redeemable quality as opposed to just a just a copout and um and a you know measure to protect themselves from being sued uh but knowingly not doing the right thing hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys yeah I I think on top of that this social narrative they call social engineering uh like a Google the the YouTube the big congr and stuff they support the front base guideline you know YouTube car Shadow banded me because I I'm telling the truth I'm I'm telling you know true on oncology and I'm talking about you know the canc primary cause of the cancer is not mut or Gene oriented not um gene mutations and stuff and they kind of tag me and many you know video was taken down just that they try to control the information the general big you know like information so that even you try to get the truth through internet you can't yeah go with a big you know power control to follow the guideline yeah well that that's it and and you know the thing is is that you know the these different different people that that are are in control of of how information is disseminated they have similar influences and they may they may not be aware you know they may be like those doctors that are like well no hold on you have to follow the guidelines and they may not be aware that these guidelines are not as perfect as they as they may appear to be and that these people have uh their own influences and they may have looked at the evidence and have these things recommended to them and say uh yeah you know what but I I still think it's over here like okay you know but those ends up being the guidelines and you know just in in in the case of cancer and meet causing cancer the who made that recommendation or or made that judgment passed judgment saying that uh processed meat was a known carcinogen no unequivocal this is a carcinogen and that red meat is likely a carcinogen And yet when you look at the evidence that was presented to them they had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of studies available to them they threw out all of them except something in the 30s 30 something studies they included those they weren't as high quality they weren't as good evidence they were extremely tenuous weak associative studies and and they were you know as as as uh described by other researchers and doctors that were on that panel they said they were junk studies they were junk science and and also they say meat is almost you know like a the pizza or burger with fries exactly categorized as meat consumption exactly yeah so you lasagna is is is class things like that yeah exactly so you know like like you go to McDonald's and you get a hamburger and fries and a soda right that's considered meat none of the other ingredients are are considered it's just that's meat you eat meat that's meat and biased yeah which is just ridiculous I mean that's just I mean this is a farce and so that's what happened with the wh and they they said this and there there was I can't remember his name I'll need to look it up again um but on Belinda fet's talk on seven-day Adventist and things like that she discusses look that up and um he said that that this was the one of the most difficult things he's ever had to go through in his professional career because he saw hundreds of really high level studies be thrown out and tossed to the side that showed no association or correlation between meat and especially red meat and cancer uh in in favor of other other junk studies that showed extremely weak tenuous uh connection these were the ones that had pizza and and sod things included in the meat side of things and he said this was garbage and he said that he's like hey you guys are are largely vegans and and Seventh Day Adventists like you need to declare your bias you need to put put that in this study and they refuse and so he came out subsequently and and publicly stated that and then the University of Washington published a very large study and and um statistical review looking at all the you know just the entire body of studies there was over 800 studies they published this I think in 2022 showing that the ones that showed that weak connection were the ones that you're saying they included pizza and all that sort of stuff it's nonsense that could maybe contain meat but weren't exclusively meat oh that's meat and they had a very weak connection to cancer and they were very poor junk garbage studies and you know not scientific at all and the the body of literature that actually had good robust studies um those were the ones that showed no connection or even protection and so people improved Health outcomes by eating meat and there PL studies showing that that you have improved Health outcomes from eating meat and then you have the garbage trash studies uh paid bought and paid for by the special interest you know Coca-Cola I say this a lot but is worth it Bears repeating indefinitely cocaa spends 11 times the amount of money each year on nutritional research than the NIH and that's just Coca-Cola that's not all the other multinational um you know processed food and sugar companies like Kelloggs Nestle Pepsi General Mills post all these sorts of things so this is this is the vast majority of nutritional study are coming out are being paid for by the exact people who are selling us the garbage and the filth and the slop that are is poisoning us and saying that their slop is great and that this natural diet that we've been eating for millions of years is horrible somehow dis common sense right right right right we have been evolved by eating meat for milon years if meat causes cancer we would have been dead long time ago we are one of the most successful species because of the meat consumption we discovered from you know ice ages fatty you know the mega finance and stuff it's a common sense almost it's very common sense you know then you get and you get some of these uh I think they're very dishonest Traders they're just try doing everything they can to try to talk around these things one would be Simon Hill who tries to say that well you know just because we've been eating meat for millions of years he doesn't deny that and he doesn't deny that there's plant toxins he did for a while but then he read a book and and realized that oh nope I sound like an idiot and um you know and he said well but those plant toxins are are good toxins they're good poison or something like that like okay but which ones there's a million of them you know which ones are hormetic not all toxins have hormesis have a hormetic benefit and they and and that's at a very small dose so what is that dose how much how many Ox how how many milligrams of oxalates hormetic before you get toxic you know and and what's the hormetic benefit of eating oxalates or cyanide that matter you know and it what dose you know because that matters because the whole point of hormesis is that it's it's beneficial and it's very very small and then immediately after that it becomes toxic and so you need to know what that level is and he will never say that he just says they're hormetic they're hormetic we know they're hormetic because we know plants are good for you and they have toxins and therefore those toxins are good for you well that's wrong because they're not good for you and we actually have a lot of studies showing that they're not good for you and we have our own two eyes to show that they're not good for you but he would say well just because we've been eating meat for millions of years and just because we're biologically adapted to it doesn't actually mean it's good for us it's like it actually does that's exactly yes yes biology works yeah well that's how biology work it's it's IM mutable law of adaptation you adapt to your environment you adapt to the stresses of your environment or you go extinct we did not go extinct we thrived more and flourished more than our ancestors ever had previously and so you know this has to be something that confers a survival Advantage by eating uh just meat and so he said well but you could still get all these disease you still get sick you still be horrible as long as you're getting to reproductive age then it's fine it's like well so so what that says is that he's saying that all these chronic diseases are being caused by eating meat and that even though we've been eating for millions of years we would still get these chronic diseases heart disease cancer and diabetes autoimmune diseases uh by eating this meat if you're eating exclusively meat would you would imagine there would be a large burden of this and I point this out that you know these these people really weren't dying I never said that I never said people were dying of that's exactly what you're saying that's that's what that means you don't even understand what your own argument entails you know if you're saying that meat causes these chronic diseases and that we were only eating meat and that no no no but that but that wasn't healthy we're all unhealthy we're still getting these chronic diseases and we were just dying you know in our 30s and 40s uh because of the way that we were eating um what were we dying of then if this causes chronic disease and we were dying young because of chronic disease that means that means there's a burden of chronic disease that means there's heart disease and cancer and diabetes and all these sorts of things there is zero evidence for that absolutely zero evidence for that the evidence actually suggest that it's the ex opposite of that but he just he just they just throw out this conjecture that oh we were probably just sick and dying and you point out that there's zero evidence of that I never said that I never said that that's exactly what you said that's what your argument is saying so weak I mean well that's the thing it's just like you're not even in intelligence enough to understand the logical conclusion of your own argument so why are you making the argument I mean you need to understand what your own words convey and that's what they are so you're saying that people were just dying on mass of heart disease and Cancers and strokes one animal in the wild eating their natural diet gets those sorts of illnesses none do no animals that get that the only animals that get these chronic diseases and heart attacks and and um diabetes and and L feline lupus and all these sorts of things are the ones that are not eating their natural diet our natural diet your any animal's natural diet is the thing that they've been eating specific of years exactly species specific and no animal on earth gets sick gets these chronic diseases eating their species appropriate diet none and so I mean yeah there are there are papers talking about you know wondering why elephants and and whales don't get cancer because they have so many cells and they you know the somatic theory of cancer is that you have genetic damage and eventually that'll just cause these genetic mutations and you'll just get cancer it's just a matter of time and that these have so many cells that there much more probability that that one of those cells is going to turn cancerous and then cause problems but they just don't get cancer and this is like wow why is this now they figure that they have you know you know four times as many copies of you know I think it's like DNA um polymerase or or some that or one of the repair functions of DNA they had more copies of this I thought oh well that protects them from the DNA damage but what they didn't talk is like you know paragan Falcons don't get cancer either or do penguins or dolphins or or field mice and things like that I mean it's just animals in the wild in general don't get cancer animals in the zoo when being fed their natural diet in general don't get cancer and so it's not just whales it's not just elephants they just thought okay I get the other ones they don't have that many cells but like a whale they have tons of cells an elephant they have tons of cells and they don't get cancer but failing to recognize that no animals get cancer this day I quite recent I'm sorry quite recently I got the cat months ago I got the cat and thing is I went to department store to try to find what kind of a h pet food available what I discovered was the majority of the cats and dog food are plant not plantbased the food of like a carbohydrate like a soy and corn and weed that is what no wonder these days you know pets get cancer Ty to diabet obese obesity no wonder because we are feeding the non out of species species appropr diet they have no business they are obligatory Carnival yeah yeah it goes all wrong P industry as well yeah exactly and you know and um I you get you get people spouting your stuff off and like honestly it just gets tiresome even like talking about it with some of them because you'll say like you know this guy Matt nagro just like all all he does is is just cherry-pick and just try to find little bits of things that are um you know that that they can squirrel away and and maybe find one study that that says maybe something a little different than what you're talking the entire body of information shows the exact opposite of that um but he'll find one thing that says oh well this says slightly different okay we look at it and you'll see that it's completely useless to this argument one example was they said well look at zoo animals there's this study looked at zoo animals and they actually do get some of these chronic disease actually do get some Cancers and you know and the carnivore animals they actually get slightly more cancers than the other animals it's like okay were they being fed their natural diet oh well I mean presumably presumably what the hell are you talking about were they or weren't they I mean that's the entire Crux of the argument not that animals don't get cancer it's just that animals that eat their natural diet don't get cancer and so and the carnivores if they're being fed plant-based driil that they are not adapted for at all of course they're going to get cancer at a higher rate of course they're going to get the other disease at the higher rate and if you look at that paper that he that he put out there it absolutely does not say anywhere these things are being fed their natural diet at all and so you have no idea that you know what they're being fed so the thing is is that you know you can you can find a study or anything that that goes counter to to whatever you you can get a study that says anything but but you know we've demonstrated already that the vast majority of studies being put out there are complete garbage and so you know it doesn't matter what A study says if it disagrees with reality and what reality shows is that when animals eat their natural diet what they've been eating for millions of years since the origin of their species they are healthier than if they were to eat anything else and that's all there is to it and that goes for us as well that's a by definition what you you should be eating for example in which they exclusively eating just meat or fish or something like that no one gets cancer yeah if meat and animal protein causes cancer they they would have extincted it already long time ago well we all would be right oh yeah and so that's the thing that those another dishonest thing that you know Matt nagr and Simon Hill will put out there they'll put out studies from the last 10 20 years about the Inu oh well actually look their their heart disease rates are actually pretty high and their cancer rates are pretty high uh yeah idiot because they're eating the crap that we're eating right look back a 100 years ago their cancer rates were zero and then every sort of 20 years it's sort of just creeping up creeping up creeping up and that's because they were being more incorporated into Western society and eating Western food drinking alcohol smoking cigarettes you know the average Inuit starts smoking around eight years old now oh yes you know I mean like that going to do to canc disase rates and so but even as as as recently as the 1990s there were studies showing that the Inu had very low heart disease rates even though you're considering as as an entire population so when the the studies that isolated the Inu that were just eating their natural diet the meaton diet vanishingly small rates of uh chronic disease and heart disease it's only the studies that incorporate all the population of in you as an ethnic body in Canada and elsewhere that you find uh you any burden of disease at all and now much much higher level of disease and in the 1990s even looking at the entire population not just you know looking at the ethnic body not the ones living naturally but the entire ethnic body they found that their heart disease rates were still much lower than the rest of Canada and they said okay well we we think that this might be a genetic thing they have and this is this is an argument that I've heard as well like why are you comparing us you know to Inu with they have they're specially adapted to living that environment and surviving on on meat and it's like no actually they are the original we are the adaptations agriculture came next we've always been eating meat the Ice Ages were always a thing that we had to contend with our ancestors live through all these things just like the Inuit they're the only ones living in that in that traditional way agriculture is new that's the addition so there had to be had to be adjustments to that we've already been completely predisposed to to surviving on meat and surviving in ice ages but in any case they showed this genetically in the 1990s they say okay maybe they're genetically protected against you know heart disease and things like that because they have such high risk factors they smoke they eat meat there is just and they eat a lot of fat and then they found extremely harsh condition extremely harsh conditions and they found that no actually they have all like basically all the genetic R factors or heart disease and yet their their rates even as a body even the ones living in cities and still you know drinking alcohol and eating corn and soy and you know Cocoa Puffs and things like that as a whole body they still had lower rates of heart disease in the 1990s and so they said look we have no idea we have no idea what the hell's going on here you know something else going on that protects them or maybe we don't really understand this as well as we thought we did maybe these genetic risk factors aren't actually as crack as as crack what they're cracked up to be I would say that wrong and um AR what they're cracked up to be and so you know they they didn't think for a second well maybe our idea and our theory that fat causes heart disease is wrong and I think that's exactly what that shows but then you see dishonest actors like nagra and and Simon they'll always put out studies that include the entire body of the innu population and they're very recent so you know in in the 2000s their their heart disease rates started to come up you know even more because they're being more and more incorporated into Western society and eating Western food and getting Western diseases and I saw a paper in the 2000s saying um you know everyone talks about how the the heart disease rates of Inuit are are really low but but but is it actually the current numbers with everybody in the cities and all this sort of stuff alcoholism obviously is a very big problem in that Community as well and so is processed food and they said well well look their their rates are actually you know not that good at all at now you know but previous decade it was and the decade before that and before that and before that and before that it gets better and better and better and better and better so it's a difference between the ones that are living naturally and eating their super crazy you know heart attack diet of a whole bunch of meat and fat and the ones that are living cities and even all those sort of heart healthy garbage that we're that we're supposed to eat is actually damaging your heart so if you look at the it today or 100 years ago or a thousand years ago that were only eating meat in their traditional way next to no chronic disease this was this was chronicled in a book by vomer stefanson he's a professor at Harvard who lived with the Inuit for over 12 years or more learn their language learn their culture and learn about a meat meat only diet wrote a book called The Fat of the land as a result of this where was like hey this is how we're supposed to eat and this is the healthiest you'll ever be and here's why and he also wrote a number of other books and one was was uh I believe it was called um is cancer a disease of civilization yes the these people in in these areas that are only eating meat and living a traditional lifestyle they just don't get cancer and and you can see that I've you know I've specifically looked for this you know the cancer rates in Inuit populations over the course of the 20th century and there there there are numbers of studies that sort of look at 20year chunks and it just it's just very very low to non-existent in the early early 20th century and just 20 year chunk by 20 year chunk is just slowly increasing slowly increasing as a body of the PO ethnic population not the people that are still living in traditional Lifestyle the ones who do that vanishingly low rates of crime I see it's obvious yeah it's you can't see it or you you they have to ignore it well that's it they have to ignore and they have to try to explain away and they try to you know conflate different things you have to say oh well I had this study from 2015 and it shows the rates of heart disease and Inuits living in Toronto was actually pretty high I'm like is that is that what I asked is that what I said we're talking about the diet those people are not doing the diet so why are you wasting my time why are you wasting everyone's time but that's it they they know what they're doing this is an ideology for them and they're trying to make themselves famous they're trying to sell their books they're trying to you know do whatever they're just trying to they're just trying to have something some sort of impact in their life and they're just going about it the wrong way and so they're trying to desperately defend their ideology and defend their position because that's what has gotten them to where they are and that's the way ideology yeah ideology in a business comes first and science try to twisting around to support it even though it doesn't make sense still try to sounds like a oh it is good is good you in it is wrong well I think I think the difference is is that these guys don't have real jobs you know and real jobs well that's it well this is they've tried to make this their job they're trying to make this they're trying to make their living off of this ideology and I so that's the thing so they're they their their in their income is tied up with this ideology and they have to this this population that and group that have that have same go as medicine is it right same go as medicine exactly you know business same goes medicine business model comes first and then if you know outside of the you know business model you can take it because health insurance company never going to rein reimburse the dietary intervention the exercise and life change no just s got to be Surgical and a and a drug they get money yeah well and and so so the same idea I mean the thing is that I I didn't do this as a career change I'm not I'm not trying to make this my job I I enjoy my job I enjoy my work I've worked very hard to get to to become a doctor and to treat patients and and uh and be able to you know do surgeries and and see people in my clinic and I you know I have no interest in giving that up you know that's not why I started doing this I started doing this because I it works you know and I see this work with thousands of my patients I see this work with hundreds of thousands of millions of people around the world and this is this is something that needs to get out there because it it is the robust evidence the the robust science all supports this and you know it doesn't matter how brilliant your theory is and it doesn't matter how smart you are if it doesn't agree with experiment it's wrong and so when you experiment with people and you have i' I'd say 60% of the people who follow me in my YouTube channel were former vegans you know like yourself you you're yes you're trying to be healthy you're trying to be you're trying to do the right thing and you just get sucked into that web and then all of a sudden your health is getting worse and worse and worse you're suffering for decades and then all of a sudden you're like I need to make a change and for whatever reason you sort of try this and go like my goodness I've never felt better in my entire life my life was a lie and so you you try to change that I'd say at least 60% of the people that that do carnivore now who follow me have been vegan or vegetarian at one point we saw the hell already yeah exactly so this works you know this so the the experiment is there you tried plant-based it sucked you go meat-based it's amazing it's very simple it doesn't matter what A study says if the reality is different and so you know these people they don't have real jobs you know they don't do anything except they're influencing you know the lane Nortons and the Simon Hills and the and the Matt nagas of the world you know I think nagar's in may be in practice but he's certainly really trying to get this this going for um but you know so these people they don't really have real jobs they depend on this in this ideology to to align their their pockets and so like there's there's not a chance in hell they're going to give this up unless they're forced to and they're sort of you know know shut out in disgrace but you know there's enough you know there's a sucker born every minute so they're not going to have uh any shortage of people listening to their tripe and their driil and just hopefully we can just sort of you know undo a lot of that damage and get the majority of of people understanding that this is this is crap but that's the thing you know people have real jobs you know like I have a real job that I like so bending on you know so like I just follow the evidence I just follow what's there I see what works with my patients I try to relay that to people online so that other people can can use that to affect their their health as well you know people like Shawn Baker he was a very very successful surgeon Gary fi same thing uh Dr kiltz that guy is the third largest fertility uh clinics and and practice in America you know this guy is really well off he does not need any of the YouTube money that's nothing um compared to what his his own Medical Practice provides him he's he's already very very very successful he doesn't need this we don't need this you know we we're trying to help people but the Simon Hills of the world the the lane Nortons of the world this is their job this is their business and if they if they back down for a second they think that they're going to lose that business I me probably if they um you know the vegans go go a bit crazy on that but the same at the same time you know other people were really accepting of those who you know admit their mistakes and say okay now they're actually really trying to do something very sincerely like you know Professor NOS he said hey you have to have carbs to be an athlete and then he went oh my God I was wrong and he and he's trying to that and that gives them a lot of Integrity he he he you know got a lot of fire for that but you know but he's he's a much more respected uh individual um for doing that I would say you know because he you know he saw that he wasn't doing something quite right and instead of just you know just right driving it into the ground and just you know retiring without ever addressing that he said no that's the wrong thing I need I need people to know this um that takes way more integrity and people actually respect so if they did just say okay look hey guys I was wrong I think this is the way I think people would actually respect that a lot but unfortunately I think that their ideology and their pocketbooks are are far too tied up in this that they're unlikely to do that unfortunately yeah and they're not yeah yeah appreciate that you know Carnival doctors are providing a true information actually I provide the the nutrition then you know biochemistry toxicology pharmacology in my contents that the because of the fact that that the Reon I wasn't upset despite of the you know terminal cancer was knowledge knowledge is power uh you can of provides a very very useful information on on an everyday basis how many people are saved by your knowledge we should know things about our body and diet and that stuff I really appreciate your content and and what you are doing yeah well thank you yeah well look I think it's I think it's wonderful um you know that you were willing to come on and I mean you had your whole life in that vegan mindset you know and it's and and you were able to come out of it which is very very brave to do you know I mean that's that's that's very difficult when your entire life is like oh meets really bad for me I need to just eat plants you know being able to come out of that you know it takes a lot of guts to do that and then being able to speak out and try to try to warn other people saying hey don't make my mistakes you know I think is is very very uh you know is very commendable so thank you very much for doing that thank you very much for saying this yeah you're welcome well Sammy it's been it's been an absolute pleasure thank you so much for coming on is there anything thank you very much for having me you're welcome is there anything else you'd like to say and and also uh please let everyone know where they can find you and follow you online oh yes uh thank you very much for uh giving opportunity to talk about 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