Carnivore Diet: Fighting Glioblastoma with Food | Ep 138

welcome to the plant free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chafee where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone it's Dr Anthony chafee here again with another episode of the plant free MD podcast today I have a very special guest Mr Logan Sneed who is a cancer survivor of I believe glioblastoma and um and so he's joining us today to tell us his story which is very appreciative love thank you very very much for for joining us Logan yeah I appreciate you having me on here I'm excited yeah great um so if you wouldn't mind could you tell us a bit a bit about yourself and and uh and your story yeah yeah and feel free to interrupt me too as we're kind of going through this this little story but um but yeah man I I grew up playing all sports I was you know uh MVP on the 6A High School basketball team District MVP uh college basketball opportunities life is like perfect it's like man dreams are coming true and I ended up going to college with a girlfriend at the time um because I knew I was like okay I'm not playing Major D1 so like you know I'm just gonna go to school with this girlfriend sure okay so I did that and uh a year goes by Grace great great opportunity in school uh half the year goes by and I was on spring break with my girlfriend and uh we grew up in the same city so like we just you know went from school back home said the family is back and like you know repeated that and uh it was a spring break and I was like you know what I feel like it's a good time of the year I'm gonna start like getting super super lean right like I'd always been into fitness and all this stuff but I was in such a like four-year bulking stage uh it was like a moment where somebody was like yo you need to gain weight when I heard that I gained weight I got like I got I think I hit uh 200 pounds at most one time and so I got super super big and uh then that was a moment I was like you know what I'm gonna start getting lean so what happened was is I took a picture in the mirror of like a before photo and then I was gonna go to the gym right after that to work out anyway that was like part of my routine so I started going to the gym and I decided to FaceTime my girlfriend at the time just to like you know randomly facetimer and surprise her and just say hey thinking of you hope you have a great spring break like you know good to see you whatever and I've never done this and never like never facetimed and drive at the same time so as I'm driving I had started like slurring my words as if I was like drunk but I wasn't drunk and she started kind of laughing because she thought it was a joke and you know um as this is going by like I kind of like lost my mind where I was like uh like I tried talking I just couldn't talk it's the weirdest feeling ever and uh so as it's happening I just started seizing right there like as I'm driving my car and uh so I drove 60 miles 60 miles an hour uh on unconscious and she's watching this seizure happen and um I was like one turn I was like one left turn away from going on the busiest uh the most the fastest highway in the country uh it's 85 mile an hour speed limit and so I didn't go on there and I went and drove uh I drove into a dish and so it was an absolute Miracle there was no injury there was no damage at all and it's just going like boom 60 miles an hour straight into this ditch I didn't hit a tree um and so she knew where I was going so she called the ambulance and it was like Hey you know he's going to this gym this is the where he started this is where he's going so follow this destinate your route and uh they came they had to break into the car because obviously was locked and I was by myself so I got I got into the ambulance and uh I go to the hospital when I get to the hospital they had kind of asked my parents because my parents showed up and she showed up it was like okay is he on drugs they're like I don't think so is he on I don't know Alco is he taking alcohol is he on like weed whatever and so they did all these tests and they're like yeah it looks like nothing's there we don't know and right before we were about to leave one of the guys is like hey like one of the doctors said hey we should get an MRI because it's like our last option to figure out what's happening so I got an MRI and I I again I like brain I don't know brain problems never crossed my mind like just growing up now I will say this like I had a lot of a lot of physical trauma like in all my sports I was always at a time where I never I never really broke a wrist right I never really broken arm I just had very very bloody gory type injuries and it was so bad that it was like all I mean you can see it right here the scar right here um I've had like next stuff I mean it's just a lot of gory stuff so I never crossed my mind that I'd be getting an MRI to see like what's going on in the brain so I wasn't worried I came back or they came back and said hey like there's something going on in his in his in his brain okay we can't tell you what what's happening but you guys should see a neurologist so next day I see a neurologist and uh the neurologist said hey like this is a little bit serious like I don't know what this is but it looks like there is a mass and he couldn't categorize it and uh he said you guys need to go see a neurosurgeon so we go see a neurosurgeon like the next day and still in my mind I still had not fathomed like what was going on so it just still wasn't that big of a deal and um so I live in downtown Austin and I go we go see a neurosurgeon downtown Austin and I go in there and I was like you know or the the surgeon said hey Logan uh it's good to meet you just want you to know that like you know this is this is basically a perfect egg that's in your brain right now it's a perfect egg the size of it the looks of it everything and he said we're gonna have to get this removed uh and it's your it's your decision if we do get it removed you won't speak or hear again if we don't you could end up dying so it's one of the two and I was like whoa what the like like I was just like shot back because I was like okay you know what speaker here again where you die and in all honesty it seems like they're both deaths right so it's like it was a very hard like type of a moment to decide that and so we ended up leaving and my mom as we're walking out my mom turned around and says like we're not listening to that neurosurgeon he's not confident we're not we're not going to work with a guy and he even had said like he even said to himself he said we got to have this done as soon as possible and he said but I'm going to be going on vacation for two weeks so once everyone whenever I get back from vacation I think we can then look at this and I was like wait what it was so weird and my mom was like we're gonna find somebody better and she was like we're gonna find hopefully the best so my uncle um and this is all going to link together my uncle where uh he's like the C the CFO or CEO of uh Ross Perot's company in Dallas Texas and Ross Perot he ran for president in the United States and he had donated millions and millions of dollars to MD Anderson Cancer Center so my parents called Uncle Fred who's my uncle and said hey Uncle Fred like you know do you happen to know anybody who knows anybody you know who knows anybody that could potentially be hopefully the best one of the best brain surgeons in the world and he was like let me just talk to Ross Pro so he talked to Ross Perot guy ran for president and uh he was like yeah let me make a call so he calls into MD Anderson and says hey we have a serious situation I need the best brain surgeon that you possibly could think of that you guys have okay and this needs to happen quick they were like okay so they call in I don't know if you know Dr Raymond's a while at all but like apparently he is known here in the United States he's like one of the best in the country one of the best in the world and so we end up going there like 24 to 40 hours later go to MD Anderson it's like I mean it's all this is all within like just a few days right like on top of the world to then boom I'm now talking to the one of the best brain surgeons in the world and this is just such a weird moment and uh so I go in there and I say hey Dr sawai I was like look we're just gonna cut to it okay well I guess the speaker here after the surgery that's all I need to know he was like yeah yeah of course dude he's like yeah it's not a problem yeah I was like what it was like I was like I did not say that no he's like yeah no he's like if I'm doing the surgery don't worry about it I was like just do Follow My Lead do what you need to do and you'll be fine it's like oh okay sure and then he was like he was like yeah but we have to have brain surgery tomorrow morning like Fast yeah I was like wow okay so he said but you're gonna have to stay here from I think I got there at like it was like 8 A.M or 7 A.M maybe so we left at like 4 or 5 a.m and drove all the way over there and he's like you're gonna have to stay here the whole day we're gonna be doing some very intense type training to just kind of like see like you know how you're operating and I was like okay so I go there and it was so like you probably know what I'm talking about but I mean it was like it was physically intense it was more like emotionally and mentally intense where it was like okay touch your nose and like okay can you write out like you know what you see here and what you see here and like all these type of things I was like yeah and they were moving me from one room to another to another to another and it was so intense I ended up I ended up fainting I passed out and the guy caught me just because of how overwhelmed I was from like how fast things have changed so that night we ended up going out to eat to uh just to kind of prepare for for the brain surgery it was more just like a hangout type moment you know and uh the next morning we woke up at like 4 45 or 5 a.m or something we had to go there right away um so the surgery was early and I go in there and I'm sure you may know what I'm talking about but like for those that don't know like you know when you go to like let's say a church or a um a funeral right there's like the aisle that people walk through and there's different rows and so as I'm walking in it's com it's like pitch pitch black dark like it's super early in the morning there's a family over here family over here family here family here or family here these are all different families of different surgeries or different situations and like I was like walking through I was like well it's just so weird like this family's crying this family's sleeping this family's like you know freaking out like it was super weird so I go in they put me on the stretcher thing and they bring in you know the pastor they sign all the waivers like they bring in the prayers like all this stuff and like for you guys like as far as like a surgeon goes it may not seem like that big of a deal but for like people who are just like you know I'm getting brain surgery this is so wild you know so like it was it was and I'll never forget like you know going in and they uh the surgery was seven hours and they woke me up in the middle of the surgery just to ask questions because if I couldn't speak or hear you know in the middle of that surgery then they'd have to cut it off short you know so they they dragged me in there and then you go in like and I know that you know but like people who don't know what it's like to get a surgery there's it's not just you or it's not just you know Dr sawai it's like it's a team so I go in and there's like a team lined up and you know everyone's got their masks on their body suits on and it was like one of these like wowing moments you know it's kind of like a color it's like a football game right where it's like you got your offensive coordinator team like up in the Press Box and like you got the coach right there and like front line like I'm on the field basically like it's pretty wild so I go through the surgery and as the surgery is happening they woke me up to ask me you know like who's President like you know which high school did you go to where are you from like all this type of stuff and uh so yeah and then obviously I can still speak in here so the surgery went perfectly well I mean perfectly well um they removed 100 of the of the mass slash tumor um and it was a perfect egg so after the surgery I honestly I was out I was out of the hospital in I think less than 48 hours I mean it was just a very very like I mean perfect surgery he was like yeah whole thing's removed like it's all good you know I mean like we'll keep you updated and I was like cool sounds good and I thought it was like a cool just you know badass story to just go tell like oh I had a brain surgery but yeah I'm all good you know and so um we end up we end up you know going back home and then I think a week later we came back for the um for the diagnosis and I still like I still did not think this was like bad like I still didn't I thought it was just cool like I was like yeah this is this is cool sure we'll yeah let's just go hear what they got to say that's fine so go in there and uh the lady comes in and she was like uh Hey so this is a stage four leoblastoma brain tumor and I didn't know what that was my mom my dad knew what that was apparently and there she was like yeah this is the this is about the worst cancer that you could possibly get and that was a moment that I was like what is she talking about and I didn't really know and so that's my mind just started like racing I was like cancer would it like can't what and so she said yeah I mean this is a very this is like the worst tumors that you can be diagnosed with and the way that she diagnosed it was just honestly like so so terrible she said it's the worst humor that you can get she said your life expectancy is a one to ten year period you know we'll try the chemo we'll try radiation that's all we could really do for you um but yeah I mean that's that's that's really about it any questions I was like yeah oh I was like I mean that's it like chemo radiation I mean like I already knew that since I was three years old like you know is there not nothing more you know in my mind I was just like wait they're a neuro-oncologist like this is like top five most difficult jobs in the world and you just said chemo and radiation and I'll be dead okay like I get I get it there's some situations that are like inoperable like interoperable inoperable tumors right but like seems a little bit different so I was just so distraught of what was happening my dad was like hey like is there any like thing that he should eat or I don't know not eat or do or not do that could maybe like just help this and she was like no it's not gonna have any correlation positively or negatively um and he was like so like I don't know if he just went to go eat McDonald's burgers all day and then had like a bunch of beers and just you know didn't really care about his health is that is that fine or she's like yeah again that's not gonna help it's not gonna hurt I mean that's all we can do is just going to be chemo and radiation and then those like that that's where I just kind of like I had like 100 pounds of weight put on my back so walked out of there and like I had like text after text after text of like you know hey what's the diagnosis how's it going how's it going and it just was like honestly one of the most difficult things to just go and tell people that are very close to me like yeah she just said I'll be dead I mean like it was just so so heart-wrenching to even just go through that so 24 48 like you know a couple days go by and I had really no hope like I was just like yeah I'm dead so she said I'm dead I'm dead right and so this just kept kind of accumulating and I was at like an all-time high like I was I literally didn't do a thing I didn't I mean what am I gonna do I'm like I'm just taking up space right I'm just like this dead zombie walking around so why not just die you know so my my parents were kind of doing research and they didn't tell me that they were they were doing research and um it was like a week later I think I had a friend who was kind of a mentor of mine all the way through High School and he said hey Logan like would love to go to go paddle boarding with you in Austin at ladybird Lake and just kind of like you know chatted up and I was like yeah sure what else am I gonna do so I go paddle boarding and this is this is what are we doing shoot I gotta go look I think it's like seven or eight years since all this happened wow um he had said hey have you heard of the ketogenic diet and I was like never heard of it was like what's that he was like man so I just got back from Hawaii and in home like fall all of this specific or your your diet since they were like there's like generate a little over there in Hawaii and uh is that better yeah yeah you just cut out for a bit so you were saying that uh your friend asked you about ketogenic diet and mentioned Hawaii yeah yeah he said that like you know and why the population like in some of these like very like very uh isolated nature areas they've just always done this like generation after generation and he was like I went there I hung out with them and they told me about this and they said how you know they said it could like it was discovered by curing seizures it was uh it shown to treat uh anxiety depression Alzheimer's um and then even potentially shrinked tumors and prevent tumor regrowth um and you know a little bonus is potentially losing body weight losing body fat and I was like really I was like what do you mean by that and he was like yeah you should look into it it's got some pretty interesting studies it's decently new as far as like social like in society or whatever goes but you should look into it and I was like okay so that night I stayed up to like probably like 2 A.M and I just researched keto diet keto diet and I had salt I was like wow it can help lose body fat cure seizures prevent tumor regrowth and like potentially shrink uh shrink tumors I was like this is this is wild I was like I'm going all in with this I was like I don't care if this thing doesn't work if it's a bunch of you know BS like that is fine I'm definitely gonna do it so I got super excited just because like I had nothing left in my life and I went from like this extreme like carb loading like Gym Bro to like complete like I'm not having any carbs so I did a complete one um and as time goes by like I started getting a lot of Hope back I started feeling like this is like oh man this is this is all awesome I was like you know what like yeah it's not coming back you want to forget that doctor and I started like really just getting super excited and um I showed this on Instagram and I saw crazy results like I'm talking like I went from a bulkier to now like insanely lean like it was selling that my Instagram started going viral and people were like oh my God like what are you doing and I showed my chemo pills and like that I was in radiation and people thought it was just this like whole fake story because they're like you just can't like how are you gonna go through this stuff and see these results it just doesn't match yeah and I was like yeah it's just like keto stuff here it's like I don't know it's just I'm eating this you know and like people got very fascinated so I was like hmm I was like I'm just gonna show like I'm just gonna sell this keto recipe menu book thing whatever and I started doing that people like yeah I want to try it I want to try and they started like really taking off and so I had always actually wanted to drop out of college and like do my own thing from like literally from day one my mom was like yeah you gotta you know build something up to make an income that you could live on on your own and then you can do that and I was like okay so as this is going by I showed my girlfriend I was like and at the time I thought it was a ton of money I was like oh my gosh look I was like I just made I made 200 today and then like the next day I was like I need 400 and then I'll never forget I was like I made 500 today look at this and I was like so excited and she never could like register like what was actually happening and so I was like look look I was like I'm gonna build this thing up I'm gonna drop out of college I'm gonna focus on this you stay here and like I'll still stay here on campus it's not that big of a deal and then once you're graduated and I am too let's go travel the world like let's go live life it's gonna be a lot of fun and she's like whoa okay okay um all right yeah we'll talk about another time so I was like yeah that's cool whatever so like as time goes by this thing starts really really ramping up and I will never forget I um I I and I dated this girl for like five years right I'm well beyond past well you know this whole thing that I had but at the time it was just like heart-wrenching I woke up with this long long text basically a breakup text I never saw it again never heard from her at all and uh I was like bawling my eyes out and I was like man this is like the only like because I was so focused on my business I never really had College friends it was just me and her basically so I was like Mom look I'm making you know a couple hundred dollars a day I want to get out of here like you just broke up with me over a text I can't get a hold of her and she was like I'll be there tomorrow morning I'm gonna pick you up we're gonna get you out of there and I was like all right cool so literally within 24 hours everything was packed up I moved out went to go live with my family for probably like six months or so um and then I don't know if you've been to have you been awesome uh just once yeah last year I went there for a conference okay okay so there's a place there's like a mini there's a sub place where like Google YouTube Facebook Tick Tock they've all got offices it's called The Domain so I uh lived there and then I ended up living my own at the Domain I was like 20 years old I had no friends I was growing on social media but I really had no friends and I was kind of like I don't know social like socially it was kind of weird for me to be able to go out and be like oh yeah hey Dr Anthony well I mean for you it's not weird because you you definitely go and treat brain tumor patients but like you know going to random people be like oh yeah I'm a brain cancer survivor or you know I had a brain tumor last year and it was bad right but can we be friends like that's just it was a weird like I just couldn't do it so I was very isolated and I started getting very emotionally like I don't know emotionally like out of place and then as time goes by this whole keto thing on Instagram like nobody was talking about this this is eight years ago like not a single person on Instagram was talking about the keto diet like at all like maybe one or two people that are maybe like doctors if like if that and I started getting serious amount of hate online of saying like you made up this diet it's just completely fake like gaming people or like your story is fake you just made up a story and now you're trying to make money like it was so bad that I like I ended up almost quitting everything I did and just like you know what I'm gonna go back to college and uh so then as time goes by like I I kept pushing and things took off and um funny enough like I the guy who told me about keto had always been my mentor and I had like looked up to the guy and so like you know obviously I want to listen everything he has to say and he said hey let's have a chat I'd love to be talk business and I was like okay sure what do you want to talk about so we go and we chat and he was like yeah I'd love to join your business and I was like yeah sure yeah how do you want to go about this I was 20. I didn't I didn't know I didn't know what I was doing he was like yeah so give me 40 you'll take 60 and we'll you know we'll like really grow this thing and I was like oh yeah I'm sure okay cool so we go in we sign like all like I didn't have a lawyer I was 20 years old like we got his lawyer and sign all this stuff and um a year goes by and the business started really taking off and he I was only getting a hold of him maybe like once a month he went to go live in Cape Town South Africa I was putting in my Blood Sweat and Tears to this every single day and the type of like value that he gave me was more of like here's how to save money than it is to make money right and so like it got so bad as time went by and I ended up having to like get rid of him and it was such an emotional talk of like okay yo I looked up to you my whole life now I got to get rid of you and um you know I kind of just told him I was like look like you're already very you know very set off for life like very wealth you've had a lot of retirement funds or you've got you've even had she or he has had like a lot of money from his family as well and I was like look do you want me to buy you out at 40 or do you want to just cut this off and like life goes on as brothers and he's like yeah you have to buy me out and I was like wow so I ended up having to buy him out so I literally lost like all my money that I basically had made and I had to kind of restart square one and so that was a very hard moment and then I actually had this guy who kept messaging me on Instagram it's like hey would love to like work with you would love to be part of your business and like all this stuff I was like look dude it's not gonna work okay I forgot somebody else I'm dealing with I don't even know you looks like you're in Dublin Ireland like uh it's just not gonna work and he kept coming back he kept coming back and I'm talking he kept coming back once a week for six months straight like and he didn't tell me what he was gonna give to me he showed me what he was going to give to me and so one day I was like all right look I was like this guy's put in more work and I've said no every time paid him zero dollars then this guy who I'm paying 40 of the business and he hasn't done anything you know so I was like okay I'm gonna give this guy a shot I gave him a shot now we've worked together for six years now and it's been absolutely amazing we've now built uh we went from or I went from like you know coaching people in the keto space and now coaching uh health and life coaches how to build and scale their coaching business so uh We've helped thousands of coaches do that and uh wrote my book Thank you cancer about my journey overcoming brain cancer do public speaking I do podcasts like this and uh yeah it's changed my life and for the better I'm tumor free um so I get my MRI actually I think in a month there's nothing there nothing to show um so yeah I mean it's all good I don't say all good like oh it's not a real but you know it's it's all happened for a reason so yeah well that's awesome man that's a fantastic story I'm really glad to hear that you want me to see that you're doing so well so you said there's eight years ago that you got your first diagnosis yeah yeah and then so so since then presumably you completed uh course of chemo and radiation and then since then you never had a had a recurrence no no I haven't I haven't had a tumor reoccurrence um at all there's nothing there like the whole thing was like fully removed and the weird thing is that you may be able to answer this I don't know but like I've talked to other um I've talked to another like neuro-oncologist like outside of the doctor's office and I've talked to another surgeon and they were like wait it was fully removed and I was like yeah it was 100 removed like that's what they said you know they were like but they said it was a GBM tumor and I was like yeah so they said they're like okay this is like either a one in a million or they've like over diagnosed it or whatever and I was like yeah yeah I don't know but that's what it was so yeah there's no I mean it hasn't come back I did keto for um I still do like on and off keto because I did lose a good amount of weight I gained some weight back I've gotten my my testosterone up and like a lot of different things um but I came to like I'm talking like very very strict you know for uh about five and a half to six years I did one meal a day I did one meal a day for a whole year um I did uh what else yeah I didn't even have dairy like and and I don't think there is four horrifically bad I just never like I listened to what Dr Berg said I listened to what like all these other doctors had said and I did uh five I've done a five day fast like just straight water um I've even done I still do like 16 to 18 hour fasting daily so um yeah yeah hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor the carnivore bar I don't promote many products 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it's in like you know one of the frontal lobes or something like that you could even do like a lobectomy and get the whole thing out and get huge margins and and these things still come back you know and that and that's you know there's sort of two sort of theories with this sort of thing which is you know is this just a body of cells here and it just sort of spreads and maybe gets some like invisible fingers out um and maybe a sort of metastasizing things like that or is there a disease process going on in the brain and this is how it manifests but there's other areas that are going to pop up as well um they've even done things like like hemispherectomies where they've taken taken the whole you know hemisphere out of someone's brain and and you know with the sort of multifocal GBM and then all of a sudden it's popping up on the other side as well so it is very very rare that uh it wouldn't come back and so we have patients and even when we get you know a gross total resection gross total resection meaning that we get everything that we can see but you assume that there's going to be still a little cancels cancer cells and things like that that you can't see in and you don't want to take as much Native healthy brain you don't want to take you want to take as little native healthy brain as you you can except in areas like the frontal lobe where you can you can be a bit more aggressive and take a bit more native brain to try to get more of those cancer cells right so exactly like if you take like a melanoma out you don't just take the the spot out you take like a big wide margin around it and that's more likely to get all these little cells that may have spread into the tissue and that's sort of the idea with all cancers but obviously in the brain it's much more difficult to do that and because you know you don't want to just be taking out big chunks of the brain there's only those little spots that you can do that but even then even if you take out a very very large section it comes back and and then it keeps coming back and they use chemo and radiation to try to slow it down um but you know it's it anyway it is it is termed a terminal illness it is termed you know a non-survivable you know cancer is called fatal and so that's it is it is the exception you know to not have it come back but um but that's something that that we're seeing more and more of in case studies like yourself where you have have somebody who just does intensive uh keto and it's the people who that do it more intensively that have better results as you'd expect if this is something that actually works there's a case series and even studies and and even randomized controlled trials with ketogenic metabolic therapy and GBM specifically and a bunch of other cancers but GBM specifically um and they find that uh you know the tighter your control the the better obviously and there's uh even Cedar Sinai Medical Center they actually use this for their for their cancer patients and their GBM patients but it's usually like as like a second or third line treatment like they've you know they've have recurrent tumors you know after surgery and chemo and radiation it comes back again and they're back on chemo again they get another dose of of radiation maybe they do another debulking and and they just sort of do that and they're like okay well why don't we why don't we try this as well and even then you know it still has has uh a very positive effect for people and in the in the cases that they that they published that had they had like 15 patients everyone was still alive um that what was went on it except for like the people that couldn't stay on it and so they uh one was had been a vegetarian and and stayed uh you know did good keto for for a year and a half two years and then just said I can't I can't deal with this lifestyle it's just not it's not working for me I just want to go back to eating the way I normally do and unfortunately he he you know died within the year but his his tumor had been shrinking and had been shrinking just with the diet and and then all of a sudden you know he stopped the diet and boom it came back and you know the work of um Dr Thomas Seyfried who's you know brilliant and he's a he's a professor at um at Boston College he was formerly at Yale and he's and he's shown that that cancer cells really feed on glucose and that was actually shown by by a Nobel Prize winner named Otto Warburg um 70 years ago um that that cancer cells have damaged mitochondria so there they need more glucose to to to run and they have a higher metabolic rate so they require 400 times the amount of glucose to run than normal cells and so if you go onto like a ketogenic diet it just it just limits the amount of available energy and and so these things can starve out and so you know that's um that's something I've been doing as well what I've been looking into more as well and I'm trying to get a study going in my hospital as well to do this with you know bigger numbers because right now you know the biggest studies like you know 24 patients or something like that and so obviously you need you need like hundreds to really see yeah I mean like so I've I've also yeah so I've talked to Thomas uh safe read and uh that's one of the doctors who was like yeah what like I was just fully removed I was like yeah I don't know as they said um yeah but yeah it makes it makes total sense um as far as like uh I wasn't gonna say yeah so there was a guy his name is uh Greg Cantwell I don't know if you've heard about this guy um but he had a worse tumor than I did like so bad and he got it I don't know I can't remember if he got a full year moved I don't remember but he did uh he was part of the Duke study for keto and uh he did like very very intense there are people keto for like I think two years and I did mine for like six right and it's not that I still I don't it's not that I don't do keto I still do it on and off um and uh he basically which is kind of wild like I'm very health focused so like quality of food like where it's from like all this type of stuff and after two years he just went back to like regular like I mean not like unhealthy just eating a bunch of crap but like you know it will have like I don't know pizza and beer on a Sunday night for football right or like oh okay cool let's go get like a salad and chicken whatever for the weekday right so it's just like regular like probably a 60 40 Health thing and he's been fine for like I think 30 years now it's Super Why and they gave him like I think uh they gave him like a year they said yeah like you only got a year and now it's been like 30 years and he's still fine and I don't want to follow what he's doing obviously but like you know he's uh yeah it's just it's super it's super interesting I have no idea but yeah I mean like as far as like the keto stuff goes very very powerful it's something that you know changed my life I mean it not only changed my life saved my life it helps me make a business so um yeah it's very very so yeah well it's it's um it's something that you know the the data is actually building you know in specifically for cancer and even even just for for GBM and you know like I think there's probably like two dozen human trials out at the moment and there's probably another dozen in the works and they're and they're getting bigger and bigger and bigger and a number of other types of cancer have tons of studies as well and and and they and they show really really good uh results also so it's it's something that I think that you know has the potential to really really crack this case open and really uh allow people to have lead normal lives more normal lives or even survive without you know this uh this massive massive massive burden of treatment and chemo and things like that that they sometimes have uh and sometimes it doesn't work and obviously with GBM it's considered you know uh terminal you know and the the quoted literature is is that without treatment it's three months and with full treatment with resection chemo radiation it's 15 to 18 months and um on average and so you know just being able to get more human trials out and more people like yourself and your story out there to do to get people and to and to sort of get the the knowledge base out there that hey this is actually worth trying I think that that hopefully we're going to be able to actually knock this back and not have this be a terminal you're you know you're gonna die I mean I I hate that sort of um thing anyway like what your oncologist said to you I've heard people say that before and I it really bothers me especially when I've I've seen patients they come in and you know they say that they asked they ask for a college to ask their doctor like hey one of the first things I hear uh when I'm when I'm giving somebody this horrible diagnosis they always say is there anything I can do what can I do to affect this right and other doctors will say like you know nothing don't worry about it just just live your life enjoy your life and I think I think they mean it they have good intentions by saying that like saying hey you enjoy yourself have pizza have beer like enjoy yourself you don't have to limit you know but to the patient to you it's like you said it's just you put this massive weight on your back on your shoulders and it's just this sense of defeat that you have it's just like this is out of my control there's nothing I'm I can do about this I'm going to die it's just a matter of time I think that is the most most defeating thing that you can do to someone and so I always I always get very mad about that I said no absolutely there's a lot you can do of course it matters what you do you know if you eat crap and do drugs and smoke cigarettes and drink beer like of course that's going to make things worse you know if you are just the healthiest version that you can be your immune system is going to work better your immune system fights these things and your and your body being healthy is going to be able to weather chemo and radiation better as well and you're going to be more robust and strong to fight this off so of course that matters I mean well before we get into you know ketogenic diets of course this matters and um you know and you sort of see people's like I sort of like lift up a bit they're like oh hey you know there's I have a bit of control now and I think that's that's one of the most important things in people's lives is having control over their lives totally yeah I mean when you feel like you can't like when somebody acts like as if they not own you but it's like you will be dead like this is like that's like almost like another like as if it's like they're a God in a way right and it's and it's hard to say like oh well you know what doctor like I'm I'm gonna go figure it out it's like okay they just studied their whole life for this stuff and You Don't Know Jack Squat and like having that ability to say that is just like nearly impossible so yeah yeah no I yeah I definitely know what you're talking about makes sense yeah well I'm glad to I'm glad to see you're doing so well I'm really glad to see that you're you're helping other people with it as well and telling your story you know because that's gonna other people are going to see this and they're gonna say well hey maybe there's something I can do and maybe there's there's someone that they know or someone that you know uh their family knows they may be going through this and this is gonna you know give them hope and and at least give them give them something that they can try and something they do so I thank you very much I really appreciate to taking the time yeah man yeah and one last thing too is like like doctors are they they can get a lot of bad bad rep a lot of like getting hated on right in one way or another and like I can understand both sides it's like obviously doctors trying to help but then it's like people want they want hope you know and it's hard there's another situation and this is a moment that really opened my eyes and um I I forget what had happened exactly but I I think I had like some sort of what was it I can't remember if I had like a pink eye or something I forget what it was and I I got in contact with this holistic doctor and she's been known as like one of the best like one of the best and I got on the call with her is me her and my parents and I told her about what was happening I was like yeah this is what's you know I don't know I got like it was something weird and she was like oh my gosh she's like well okay okay this is not good it was like what do you what do you mean she's like this is definitely a sign that your tumor is coming back this this is not good it was like what what are you talking about she's like yeah this is this is the these are signs right now that this is not good and it just kept getting worse and worse of like like it's like all right geez I mean just say it's back like I mean it's not hard right and so like it was very weird and after that call I had called the Greg Cantwell guy and I was like hey look this this holistic doctor just said that like this is a huge sign that something's happening and I was like have you heard about this like is this does this make any sense to you and he was like no he's like I'm 30 and she's like I'm not a doctor but in my 30 years of of being a brain cancer survivor never heard that so I got my neuro-oncologist and I was like hey uh have you heard that this is like again I totally forget what it was I can't remember I'll have to ask my parents but like um I was like hey does this symptom is this meaning the tumor is coming back and he was like no no I've never heard of that like oh okay yeah uh sure all right well that's that's good and uh yeah I just kind of we're going with that is that like you know she she is a doctor she's a holistic doctor right so she's not just this like lady who just starts making up things that she you know acts like she knows but it opened my mind and again if you look at like one surgeon look at another like this guy said it's not going well this guy said it was right this guy said hey that's not a sign at all this lady was like yeah this is a huge sign and I'm going with that is then like everybody is trying to figure it out okay whether you're a patient whether you're a doctor I don't care who you are like everybody is trying to figure it out and if if people on here are like if they are a cancer patient or if they do know somebody it's like yeah okay doctors know probably 90 more than what you know as far as getting close to what the solution or your problem is but don't think that if a doctor says yeah you're gonna be dead like don't think in your mind like they 100 have the answer to exactly that and I say that because like there are things outside of that doctors may have never even discovered that's why people are that's why they're doing research every day right and then again we haven't even talked about artificial intelligence to find that answer right so that's like a whole other topic that like is just so out there so again what I'm saying is like everybody is just trying to figure it out and if I think if people can look at it like that I think that's where like the the being a patient and being a doctor like that sort of perspective I think you can bring them together and give the patient some hope and give the doctor some you know more of like a not not hate in a way um to hopefully you know find that answer but um but yeah so yeah well that's a good point you know and and when in doubt get a second opinion because you know not everyone knows everything and uh something they could get it wrong and and like you say you know and and also you know surgeons are not surgeons are not surgeons you know they're they're absolutely are better or we're surgeons and when it comes to something like your body in general but your brain in particular don't mess around you know try to try to get the best person that you possibly can and um and uh because it can make a big a big difference you know I mean there are certain things that that most people can can do and and do very very well but uh when you get into the real intricacies of uh these sorts of surgeries you know you really want someone who's just like the best of the best if you if you can never get them if you can you know not everyone has has access but if you're able to just uh and always and always if you're not happy with something you know it's not necessarily the person is out to get you or trying to be a jerk like you may just have horrible bedside manner like your neuro-oncologist and as I have no sense about how to actually you know give bad news to people and talk about these things um but you know you you can talk to other people and just say hey what do you think you know is this is this as Bleak as it sounds if someone says look I'm sorry but you know this is this is what we see and it's like okay well at least you know at least I have more information and things like that or it could be that you get someone uh you know like like you know the different various neural oncologists like Dr Hugh from uh from Cedar Sinai who's like yeah no there's a lot we can do you can get in my trial we can do we can do ketogenic metabolic therapy and things like that so there's always options um yeah um Logan Paul sorry oh no I was just gonna say last question like polio virus study like what's the update on that on poliovirus yeah there's a 60-minute documentary that just came out about injecting polio into GBM patients um oh yeah I I've heard peripherally about that but I haven't actually looked into it okay yeah I was just curious yeah no it's a good question yeah that's something that um don't have to look into but yeah I haven't uh haven't happened to heard everything about that yet but yeah there are people just trying you know new and wonderful things like I had a buddy of mine who was uh doing his PhD at University of Washington in Seattle and at the time they were looking at at uh scorpion venom and for some reason there were some receptors on GBM that were very similar to like the neurons and insects that that scorpion venom is is specific for so they they were using that as like a carrier molecule uh to bring chemo into like uh into these brain Cancers and things like that and I actually think that that was actually used uh to make Pharmaceuticals and things like that after that so yeah there's a lot of really cool innovations that that people are doing all the time unfortunately we haven't made too too many big strides with GBM in the last couple decades hasn't really moved moved the needle too much maybe a couple months on average but yeah but yeah that's uh you know that's also an exciting uh you know Avenue yeah using the polio virus but yeah no I don't know enough about that yet unfortunately something I still have to look into yeah yeah cool man well if I ever need to be a test dummy for any study let me know yeah yeah absolutely man well cool well how do people get a hold of you and uh and where do they come find your work yeah just look me up on Instagram Logan's need underscore and feel free to shoot me any message and here to help anybody in any way I can yeah awesome well thanks man we'll put a link for that in the description and uh go and check out uh Logan's work so thanks a lot man it was a pleasure meeting you thanks for coming along appreciate it have a good one you too man hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcasts and if you're on YouTube then please hit that little bell and subscribe and that'll let you know anytime I have a new video out which should be every week if not more and if 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