Dr. Anthony Chaffee joins a panel discussion with Dr. Baker, Dr. Kiltz, and Dr. Berry to address common questions about finding carnivore-friendly doctors and whether medical supervision is necessary when starting a carnivore diet. The doctors share practical strategies for navigating healthcare while following this way of eating, including when to seek medical supervision and how to communicate with conventional physicians who may be skeptical of the approach.
Listeners learn that while most people can safely transition to carnivore without medical supervision, those on blood pressure medications, diabetes drugs, or psychiatric medications should work with a knowledgeable physician to avoid dangerous side effects from becoming over-medicated as their conditions improve. The panel provides specific guidance on describing the diet to doctors using terms like "sugar-free, whole foods, no ultra-processed foods" to gain approval without triggering bias against red meat consumption.
Key Takeaways
- Describe your diet to doctors as 'sugar-free, whole foods, no ultra-processed foods' - this describes carnivore perfectly while avoiding potential bias against red meat
- Seek medical supervision when starting carnivore if you take blood glucose medications, blood pressure drugs, or psychiatric medications, as these may need adjustment to prevent hypoglycemia or hypotension
- Access carnivore-knowledgeable physicians through online communities and telemedicine services rather than relying solely on local doctors who may be unfamiliar with the approach
- Eat fatty meat until it stops tasting good, then stop - your body naturally signals satiety on a species-appropriate diet without needing to count calories or measure portions
- Finding Carnivore-Friendly Doctors and Medical Supervision
- Social Media Resources and CAC Score Improvement on Carnivore
- Medication Management and Free Carnivore Information Resources
- Doctor Communication Strategies and Online Support Communities
- Simple Carnivore Guidelines - Fatty Meat and Avoiding Plant Toxins
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[Music] Do you know of any card carnivore cardiologist near St. Louis? And so my then I want to change that a little so we can answer a lot of people's questions. How can people find a carnivore doctor? Number one. Number two, do people need a carnivore woke or aware or friendly doctor? And then number or number three, should they just uh not tell their doctor what kind of diet they're eating? I'll start with you, Dr. Baker. Uh well, certainly a lot of people have done a carnivore diet without doctor supervision, and I think for a lot of people, it's fine. There are some people where um therapeutic carbohydrate restriction or carnivore diet can be something that requires supervision. you know, some people on uh pretty intensive uh blood glucose lowering medications, some people on lots of hypertensive, some psychiatric meds. When you decrease the need for those meds and you're still taking those meds, you can get some very scary side effects. Hypoglycemia, hypotension, uh things of that nature. So, I think there is a se segment of the population that certainly does need some level of supervision. Um you know, there are a number, you know, like all of us do it. I mean, some of us variably practice online. Uh, our company, Rivera, we have doctor's license in all 50 states. So, if you need somebody in that regard, we're obviously more than happy to help with that. Um, I think that, uh, you know, when it comes to, you know, and probably all of us agree, we came to this conclusion and we're practicing medicine the way we do today, using nutrition as a front line despite our training. You know, it's kind of like despite being a doctor where they brainwash you so far the other direction that you're able to see through that. And correct me if I'm wrong, but every one of us experience ourselves first before we stuck our toe and start recommending for other patients. And that's I think everyone that I know of that has come to carnivore and practices as a physician has literally done it themselves because they they they woke up to it by by experiencing it themselves. Absolutely. Dr. Kilts, how do you think people need a carnivore friendly doctor? Uh if so, where can they find one? Dr. Philadia online is a great spot to go and listen, learn, read his book. Um and I think that social media is really the new medicine. Uh we're sharing the knowledge we've learned, but we're also sharing the knowledge we've learned right here from people that are in this community, and that's the best way to go. And so, you know, chat with others in all of these support groups, uh, and you'll learn from others that have gone through it and found out what did they do, what type of issues they've had. And it is kind of interesting, uh, certainly what what Dr. Baker said, you know, there's some caution depending how many drugs you're on and how severe your your symptoms and disease is, but more and more people are just saying, you know what, I'm going carnivore and I'm feeling better than ever. Uh I I I had a CAC score which was 700 a couple of years ago. Uh I was gifted the test. I would have never done it myself and and uh I went to my cardiologist which I didn't have one prior to that. And and uh I did I did the treadmill. I did the CT angiogram. He says you're fine. and and now he refers patients to me uh to discuss carnivore diet noting I'm a fertility doctor and and trans trans helping people transition uh right to a carnivore diet. So um I think you need uh this platform uh and you'll learn about all the potential uh advice that will help you heal. Dr. Chaffy, do people need a carnivore friendly doctor? Yes or no? And and where can they find one? Should your answer be yes? 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Yeah, I Well, I think in certain circumstances, like Dr. Baker said, it would be a good idea to have some medical support if you're on different medications, blood sugar medications, u blood pressure medications, or psychiatric medications or epilepsy medications. These are these are things that that people have been able to reverse these conditions and maybe not need these medications or not as much of the medications anymore, but they're very dangerous to sort of play around with yourself. You would need uh a physician to to help you with that, especially deprescribing off of things like um antiepileptics or psychiatric medications. Very very very uh have to be very careful with that. Um, but in general, no, I don't I don't think you need a doctor to lead you and tell you how to do it or that like we have to be careful because if you're this condition and only certain people can No, everybody can do it and you can just do it on your own. Just be mindful of the fact that if you have these certain medical conditions, certain medications, you may need help adjusting those dosages and uh but otherwise you you don't necessarily need someone to tell you how to do it. Um you can I think the best resources are are these exactly as as Dr. Kil said there are many physicians clinicians PhDs researchers etc and just normal people that have put out an abundance of of free information available on the internet because we actually care. We want we we're not trying to profit from this. We're trying to get this information out there because this is this is you know our our birthright as as human beings. We should be healthy. we shouldn't be poisoned by the different things that we're putting into our body. And so just getting that information out there is just it's just a basic um you know right that people have to be healthy. And so we're not we're not trying to profit off of that. There are people that are trying to profit off of this. Don't go there, you know, go to the free ones. There's there's plenty of places. There's Facebook groups been around for 20 years. People have been doing carnivore diets like you know zero carb health, zeroing it on health. people have been doing this forever and there's just this community structure and they just help people out. Um, so if you do need a doctor and some people just want a doctor, you know, they they want someone that they can see, you know, in in the nice room with the lab coat and someone in a suit looking at their blood test going, "This is this is this is good. This is a good thing. Your health is improving." They want that reassurance. And so for, you know, for that, I can I can definitely understand that. And and sometimes it's hard to have that animosity with your doctor saying, "You're going to kill yourself. this is a bad idea. It's nice to have someone saying, "No, look, you're doing everything just fine and you're actually improving your health." Um, you know, if people I mean, there's so many people that that get stick from their their uh doctors and their providers, you're going to kill yourself eating all this red meat, but they don't bat an eye when you're eating processed garbage and candy and lollipops, you know? So, that that's a bit odd as well. And so, um, I don't think you necessarily need to say, "Hey, by the way, I'm doing a carnivore diet unless you want to." um you know because everybody eats the way that they do and it just is what it is and the doctor sort of deals with oh here's a problem here's a pill don't care about your diet and so you can just say look I'm just I'm just eating a clean whole foods diet I'm trying to be as healthy as I can typically they'll just say great y you know keep doing it I think that's a beautiful point because I'll let everybody watching this in on a little secret does not care about your diet at all they do not care the only reason they ask the question is because there's a little box to check on their electronic medical record. So I think and I'm telling people increasingly a version of what you just said, Dr. Chaffy, if your doctor even ask you about your diet, say, "Oh, doc, I'm on this really good diet. It's sugarf free. I'm I'm not eating any ultrarocessed foods whatsoever. It's all whole food, one ingredient, sugarfree, no ultrarocessed foods." And 99% of doctors are going to go, "Oh yeah, that sounds great." Well, you just described keto, ketoore, carnivore, and the lion diet in one sentence and the doctor just gave you their approval. The vast majority of people when they say, "Do you know of a carnivore doctor in St. Louis?" They really just want to be able to ask a question and have a question answered without the doctor judging them or becoming an emotional or firing them from the practice. And what I think people need to understand is you can get that without having a carnivore friendly doctor in your community. I have a private community with thousands of people who ask me questions and I answer them. Dr. Baker's got Rivero. I know Dr. Kilz and Dr. Chaffy both have private groups where if you if you just want to ask a doctor questions, it doesn't have to be your doctor. You can go to your doctor for refills and lab work. And if you've stubbed your toe, go see your doctor. But if you have questions about keto, ketoore, carnivore, lion diet, a proper human diet, join my group. Join Rivero, join Dr. Kilt's group. Join Dr. Chaffy's group. We'll answer your questions. We don't have to be your legal doctor. But we are doctors. And among the four of us, we've got many, many decades of of experience of of being doctors for people. and we don't have to be your legal doctor to answer your questions about diet and nutrition. Um, as we wrap up, guys, I want to give each one of you the final word, Dr. Baker, what's what's the the most important thing anybody considering carnivore or currently doing carnivore, they've heard about honey, they've heard about the sugar diet, they've heard about insulin suppression. Let's just simplify this for people. What What's your simple message to people, Dr. Baker? Yeah, I mean meat is just the nutrition and I think that as Dr. Kils will point out, you got to have you got to eat enough and you got to eat enough fat and you know many things will take care of themselves. Don't overthink it. Don't get distracted. Um enjoy you got to enjoy what you eat. You know, you can't be hungry and you can't not enjoy the food. So if you can't figure out how to make meat taste good, then get some help. No one's died of an anaphylactic reaction to a ribeye steak. Basically, meat is we're not allergic to it. And if someone says you are, I question it. But I think the rare to raw fatty meat, throw some salt and butter on it. It's all you need. It's uh the proper human diet, species specific. And if it's the tripleB or the baby's diet, uh I highly recommend it because then you won't need us for your healthcare. Hey everyone, really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia. Stockman Steaks, who are delivering high quality grass-fed and finished, pasture-raised beef and other meats, flash frozen, and vacuum sealed to your door. Something I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well. They also have a great range of specialty items such as highfat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver, kidneys, and beef heart as well. So, use code chaffy today for a free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at stockmanstakess.com.au and I'll see you over there. Thanks, guys. Dr. Chapy, final words of wisdom. Yeah. Well, I I totally agree with that. And I mean, meat gives you the the nutrition that you need, but also just remember that other things can cause harm. And so, it's it's also about avoiding those other things. you know, you get the meat, you get the nutrition, and that's and that's really important, but other things can actually damage your health. It's not just about, oh, well, you don't have to eat salad. You don't want to eat salad. Salad's bad. It's bad for you. And that that's a very controversial thing to say, but I I stand by it. And I think there's strong evidence for that. But, you know, just, you know, just be just be mindful of that. Just eat eat meat, fatty meat, until it stops tasting good. And then, you know, don't eat, you know, no plants or mushrooms, no sugar or any sweeteners and nothing artificial. And if you apply that as a litmus test to the different sorts of things, you know, it it uh it gets pretty easy and pretty straightforward. And as long as you're hungry, meat will taste good and you will enjoy that. And that should tell you something. And when you eat enough of it, um it will stop tasting good. And your body tells you naturally to stop, which again should tell you something about how this is actually is our biologically appropriate diet. Yep. And I would only add to what all these fine gentlemen have said that what they just described to you, a species specific, appropriate, proper human diet, every other animal on planet Earth knows how to do that instinctually. They don't have to take courses or join groups or go see a doctor. They just know my sheep in the pasture. When they're hungry, they eat grass. When they're full, they stop eating and take a nap or go play. Human beings are designed just like that. Eat the meat when you're hungry. Eat the meat till you're full. And then go outside and play. It really is just that simple. Gentlemen, thank you so very much for doing this. Everybody, don't forget June the 20th, the animal documentary will be live and as soon as any of us know what platform it's streaming on, we will let you know. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Have a great day. Thank you. Awesome. Thanks.