Carnivore Gave Me My Life Back When I Was Ready to Die | John Lechman

welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining me for another episode of the plant-free MD podcast I'm your H host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest Mr John lechman who I've met uh in America recently has an abolutely amazing story that we'd like to share with you today so John thank you so much for coming on it's great to see you again same here Dr chaffy thank you for having me it was a pleasure meeting you in person yeah and I can tell people that you are quite a fit person well seriously I I didn't know what to expect I didn't know if you're were gonna be tall short you're a you're what a human being should look like you're healthy and uh you have a good mind and you're helping the world and I am very appreciative of the fact that uh I was able to find you and learn from you and get educated so I could take care of my own health yeah because it wasn't quite happening that way for me in the medical community you know I guess the best way for me to start about my life is to tell you why I ended up being in a life of pain when I was uh very young my dad was in a car wreck we didn't have a whole lot of money and so starting at 15 years old I used to go out and work as a laborer on construction and uh when I was 16 I was told to go out on a porch roof and tear off the sighting on the front of an old house so they could put new windows in and remodel it and I took four steps turned around to look at what I had to do and I woke up on a concrete floor about 18 ft below me the roof was rotten and I fell right through oh no and it changed my life I mean you know and this was 67 maybe so I don't know where the surgery things were for spinal damage back then but I really really hurt and uh but you know I was young I shook it off and just continued with my life but nothing was ever quite the same after that and you know fast forward I did all the normal things I was always an avid snow skier you know I tried to play golf but now I know why I couldn't play golf because I also jammed my left femur up into my hip socket and I grew up with that and nobody ever you know as much as I looked at my back and all the issues nobody ever looked at my hip and hips don't really have pain like other things do there's not a lot of nerves in your hip so uh you know with that being happening you know I basically just destroyed the lowest disc in my back I think it's the l5s one and uh and over the years especially when I got into the 90s my left leg I used to think it was just going to blow off my body sometimes when I used to drive I used to literally wear my pants on my thigh from rubbing my leg trying not to make it hurt and uh it was just such an oppressive thing but you know you just dealt with it and days that I thought I was having good days somebody would go man you're really limping today because you accommodate to try to deal with it and uh and finally in 2000 I decided to have spinal fusion and I had spinal fusion on my L5 S1 they fused it they were able to use my own bone material to create the powder and uh the the titanium cage that they use for fusing and I have all kind of little things in my uh back to support it and quite frankly it was amazing good I was amazed I mean I went from being in such Agony to not having pain and this is before I had really ever access this is my first exposure to really pain pills because I never really got any pain pills in the 90s it just wasn't something I did I didn't go to the doctors enough to get them and uh and then right after that surgery it Wasa six months after my wife and I went on a long road trip with our kids to New Jersey and then we drove to Colorado and to make a long story short with that one I ended up getting a blood clot in my left leg from my back of my knee to my ankle and uh I never forget we were stranded in a little town called Vernal Utah because our car broke up and uh in I would get up in the morning my leg would be fine and then I would go through the day and my my ankle would literally be hanging over my shoe so swollen and I was like what is happening to me and actually when we were in New Jersey we went deep sea fishing and the first mate dropped the knife accidentally and it stuck in my foot so I thought I was having a reaction to that and the surgeon that did my uh spinal fusion was a neurosurgeon by the name of Dr Carl laas and I think he was he's now the head of Cedar C but this was 25 years ago so who knows what he's doing now and uh and he even said to me back then we don't usually have this kind of success and I can't tell you what you're going to feel like in 20 years he said but enjoy it and it was crazy I would lay in the bedroom and I could actually feel the air from the fan moving the hair in my leg you know it's just things I lost all senses for because you it just didn't work and then also I hurt my neck and in 2006 I had spinal fusion on my neck which I really regret I really probably shouldn't have done it it hurt I think that surgery should have been avoided but it is what it is I did it and uh you know and as time went on with that and especially what happened to me is after the blood clot I was then put on a life of blood thinners start taking warin or cumin and I had all the testing done to see if I had any predisposition for clotting they all came back negative you know the I have a neighbor that's a orthopedic surgeon and he used to tell tell me I was nuts for taking this stuff he thought it was more dangerous than getting another blood clot which it probably is because you could bleed out so easily and uh but you know and I actually had a discussion I tell you how it was I had a discussion with one of my family doctors and I was going to have some procedure it might have been a colon I don't know what it was it was some medical procedure that I had to go off of cuman for seven days but two days before that my level wasn't correct and he wanted to change my level to another level which meant me buying a whole another set of numbered pills and I was like I don't want to do that I'm going off tomorrow I said you know I'm going to be going back on and my level and he actually sent me a letter firing me as a patient I never forget that I got fired as a patient because I wouldn't listen to him I it's like okay you know so but anyway one of the unique problems with blood thinners is you can't take over-the-counter medications like ibuprofen or Advil or Aspirin because they mess with how the drug works and you don't need to make your blood thinner or do things that you shouldn't do by putting that in so the drug that I got prescribed to me as my over the counter pain drug was Viking so in 2001 I was started my 20 some year prescriptions of biking oh wow and honestly it was a pain management tool for me I never abused it I was supposed to take two a day sometimes I would take one if I had a really bad day I'd take three but it allowed me it tricked me into believing I was having a normal life you know because that's how I dealt with my pain and I also believed because of my accidents that all my pain was Associated because of my screwed up nerves you know my body would get we sign weird signals it's like one day my shoulder would hurt really bad for no reason next day it would be my knee most of the time it was my back but it was always something in my neck was just brutal sleeping was the worst time of day for me cuz laying down just never agreed with my back and neck I couldn't get comfortable hence started my also 20 years on ambient so I could sleep you know and I got I took so many different drugs for my injury whether was muscle relax or Soma ambient you know the latest was mic and you name it I took it over the years and then you know something really wild happened in 2017 or 18 I can't remember where yearo was we all became drug addicts the op opioid crisis pretty much mandated that doctors quit prescribing pain pillars and I think the FDA come out and said they made a huge mistake because it wasn't the doctors that were causing the problem s it's fentol it's not doctors prescribing pills there might been some Bad actors but all they did was put people that depended on pain medications in such a bad position because if you're really in pain you're in pain and I always said I'm not addicted to the drugs I'm addicted to not being in pain all the time and people don't realize how oppressive that can be you know and especially during that time frame I started a business it took off like a rocket I got written up in Forbes multiple times nice and I used to spend most of my day leaning against a wall wondering how much longer I could walk it was just brutal all the time you know and that's even with my spinal fusion it just kept getting worse you know so after the pain pills went away you had to like get by I tried everything More Physical Therapy more stretching trying to exercise you know the last thing I would ever thought of was honestly I always thought the whole diet thing was kind of yeah right sure food will fix me sure I never really heard that from anybody firstly but you know that's generally the attitude I hear from a lot of people and uh so you know I went through this whole time period period where I really was struggling on how to deal with this and finally I decided because I got to the point I couldn't even put my own socks on I couldn't reach my foot my leg hurt so bad when I tried to do it and and and you know and I would I would go back to the neuros surgon or the orthopedic surgeon and say you know why is this doing this and they would always zero on my back and never once did they say we need to look at your hip so finally it was suggested that maybe they should look at my hip because me not being able to put my socks on was a pretty clear clue that I had a problem with my head joint and sure enough when I saw the X-ray I never forget walking in the office and they had the big thing up on the screen and it was like my x-rays in my hip and I'm like that is as me my left foot my left leg was like an inch shorter than my right leg it was completely fused and now I know I could never hit a golf ball how can you turn on a golf ball if your legs fused but I accommodated so much my entire life I just I actually tried to learn to walk that L you know and then actually I think it was in 2021 we went to a concert my wife and I in San Diego and we we had this little dinner thing before and there was a doctor and his wife that were with us and when we sat down to dinner because we had to walk this is in San Francisco and we had we walked up to jelli square up the hills down the hills and he looks at me at the table and goes You Walk Like a Man that's in a lot of pain and I was thinking I was having a pretty good day you know so that really really made me start thinking about it so you know I decided after seeing my hip it was time to do my hip replacement surgery and honestly that was probably the easiest thing I've ever experienced uh you know I this I was in the hospital at 2 and back in my living room at 6:30 in the evening and the hospital's 30 miles from my house so you think about that I mean I had to S to toal hip replacement Woke up had to walk up steps and I was back in my house next day I was hurting you know but I got my pain pills had my surgery everything was great you know but my mindset was I can't take these I'm gonna take a half you know and I'm like and they called me up and said well how's it going I said well this really kind of hurts morning so you're taking your pain P I'm like well I know I can't get anymore so I'm going to stretch these out she goes no no no no no you need to stay ahead of the pain that you know but it you know and honestly that was in May of 22 and in June of 22 I was getting to the point I was doing 10,000 steps a day I did my physical therapy I was just like on top of the world I had a brand new posture I wasn't all hunched over anymore because my leg was short and I was compensating was awesome still is awesome actually and you know to me that's what medicine is about fixing things like that that nothing can fix because you damag them you know and uh but you know I had other issues my right knee really hurt badly especially when I tried to snow ski and you know it was kind of funny no matter how much I hurt it was just one of my passions I was just going to do it at least two or three times a year just so I couldn't usually when you not moved a bit you start feeling better and you know I just love skiing but I got to the point putting my boot on was almost impossible you know let alone putting my socks on and uh you know so you you go through these issues and all of a sudden for some reason unbeknownst to me and I think it was a Confluence of events but I also believe over the years the pain pills were masking my real problem my real problem was I was nothing but one big inflamed mess seriously I I you know whether in so you know I went to my family doctor told him look I feel much better now but what happens when the pills run you I'm kind of confident but you know and it was a very simple procedure because the hospital had a policy I think it was either eight or 10 weeks after surgery that's it there is no other option you cannot I could apply to the state for an exemption like I can't live like this this is nuts and as I tried to move on from that I got into July of 22 and August of 22 and I got to the point where if I tried to walk all of a sudden I would get cold then my right side would get really hot and if I didn't find a place place to get on the floor in a fetal position the pain was so overwhelming it just made me throw up I never experienced anything like that and this is kind of like a funny story but it is it there used to be a singer from the 70s Gordon whitefoot and uh he was touring in Peoria Illinois and this was in September of 22 and I wanted to see him because he was 84 years old and he actually died like a month or two later so we went to the Civic Center in Poria there's a Marriott hotel attached to it it's literally a couple maybe a hundred yard walk through a elevated tunnel to get to the theater I threw up three times walking to the theater because it was so blinding and I couldn't believe it I'm standing there watching this 84 year old guy play his guitar going I can't even believe I can stand here it was brutal and I knew something had to change it was just getting worse and worse so finally my doctor sends me to a rheumatologist and the rheumatologist said I had really Advanced rheumatoid arthritis my hands were pretty contorted I'm 70 back then I was 70 years old and uh yeah I was starting to have real problems with my legs and feet contorting doing really strange things I had very little control when I walked I Hardley had balance and they just told me you have really Advanced rheumatoid arthritis they put me on a drug called Methotrexate which is a chemo drug in light Doses and it suppresses your immune system so it doesn't attack your body and I was like oh that sounds like a great thing to do right after Co suppress my immune system so I can catch anything you it just just didn't feel right to me and uh and I went back and they said it would take 16 weeks for that drug to be therapeutic and when I I took it for three weeks and then the miracle happened my daughter who lives in California called me up and she's 47 now and she's headed issues with various things she got Lim's disease when she was younger or she thought it was that but bottom line is she's been on a quest for many years to try to figure out how to manage her health with her diet and every time we would see my daughter she was either doing sweet potatoes or she was eating something what and uh and she literally called me up and said Dad you need need to quit eating inflammatory foods and I'm like what inflammatory foods okay what is that I had no idea that's just not on my chart and uh and she actually sent me three YouTube videos one of you one of Dr Barry and one of Sally nort to educate me on oxalates and uh so watched the videos and she kept sending me stuff and encourag me to look at the comments cuz frankly I hardly ever went to YouTube if I did it was very rare and uh I just wouldn't go there to look for stuff like this and uh and the more I saw it the more it made sense to me and I I should back up just just for a second in right before that phone call and I forgot to say this I was so bad I was literally laying on my bedroom floor and the reason I did this and I I really kind of I'm Amazed by it when I came back from the rheumatologist and went to my family doctor I was pretty upset you know I was just like so this is arthritis all this pain is arthritis you know what is arthritis you know you're right away is starting to look it up read about it said I try to understand it all the different types and and he just looked at me and goes John this is a progressive disease it only gets worse there is no correction for this he said if I were you I would most Ras don't make it past 75 years old you're going to be 71 soon I would go home and have a drink with my wife and enjoy your time that just freaked me out wow I just freaked me out you know my type a person that just freaked me out so I went home that night and I was actually laying in the bedroom floor curled up in the fetal position in such pain you know and the only thing I could get was I'll give you Xanax for your anxiety I'm like I don't have anxiety I am like in miserably I'm hurry and uh and I told my wife I said 'you know this is it it's time for me to die I can't live like this if this is my life I can't do this how can I possibly function like this you know it's one thing to walk around but if you can't if you get so blinded with pain you throw up how can you function that way and you know and so then came the phone call so it made my decisions honestly easy firstly I didn't do this to lose weight I think most of my adult life I was overweight in my opinion I was never like what I would call obese but you know I was 510 and 5'11 maybe and I when I graduated from high school I weighed 220 pounds because I played football even with my leg and uh you know and uh when I was a freshman in college I I used to run six miles a day nice to I I went from 220 down to about 160 you know but again you think about the abuse I was doing to my hip my back that I didn't even know was hurt as bad as it was I just pushed through it all the time you know so it was easy for me to let go of things because when you think think you're dying everything's different it's everything is different it's much easier to go you know I grew up Italian I lived on pasta I lived on spaghetti I lived on red sauce my mother's side of the family's from Italy my dad's side of the family was from the Ukraine and the foods that they have are just it's mostly dough potatoes it's every kind of starch and carbohydrate that you can possibly think of packed into things you know and then I really feel sad for my parents too because you know they they were duped with the whole seed oil cholesterol scam that you so eloquently talked about that was not true so you know so basically I just went cold turkey on this diet my daughter warn me you can't do this you can't just do it you'll start dumping oxalates you have 70 years of poison in your body once your body does realize you're doing the right thing for it it actually goes into high gear getting rid of stuff so it was a pretty interesting first mon but the most amazing thing to me is literally three weeks after I started this diet my hands straight yeah nice you know I didn't hurt anymore I literally have no pain I've had no pain for since November of 22 November of 22 was that November 1st of 22 is when I started this lifestyle it's not a diet it's a lifestyle it's a life's choice and the thing honestly you know in the beginning I was doing it it worked but I had no idea why all I knew is she said if I did this it would help and I'll be damn it helped a lot so this is where the education part comes in you know I wanted to take the time to learn why and the more you learn to me the more amazing it is and it's like I enjoy the fact of how you tie this into history because it makes total sense you know when we were when Nature created us or however we were created you know I agree we are so you my new goal is to live to be 120 now I never thought I was going to make it to 72 let alone 120 but you know if you think about it when we were set up with all these parameters the one crazy factor that was never taken into consideration with our design is us being this amazing apex predator that's the top of the food chain would do so many stupid things to hurt ourselves with our diet you know we we've strayed so far from eating what we were intended to eat and it makes total sense to me you know and those are things you just people just don't think about and the other thing that really like it just to me it's what keeps me going it keeps me going because it is so logical knowing you know and I you know I've listened to Dr OA he says the same things you say you know he talks about the medical literature in the 17 and 1800s there's no mention of heart attacks yep you said the first recorded one was in 1912 that's astounding I know to me it's just crazy for people to look at that and go this just never happened before yeah and how did it happen at such an elevated level and when you really start understanding the impact of sugar and high fruit Coast corn syrup and all the carbs and what they do to our body and what diabetes does to our body what glucose does to our body it poisons everything you know and my mother and dad both had cancer my mother had ovarian cancer when she was 27 years old in 1963 she was given 48 hours to live after a pioneering surgeon went in and removed her whole reproductive system and back then they did Cobalt radiation and they literally fried her she went through the change of life everything say it was such a brutal time she lived to be 77 by the but she had a tough life and if I only want to go back and say Mom if you could have just laid off the spaghetti if you could have just laid off the sugar laid off the carbs you know because I also believe just like looking at this it makes total sense to me also like I spent most of my life believing when's it going to happen when's the cancer going to happen it's an inherited thing right my parents had it you had other parents people in my family had it but it seems to me that everything where I'm the least hearing that's one of the hot new treatments for cancer now starve it by not putting any carb or glucose in your system because cancer cells love glucose and it makes total sense to me that if I don't put any glucose in my body for the rest of my life I'm limiting my chances of getting cancer will I and nobody knows that for sure but I'm liking my odds and I like my odds because I am a living example of how amazing I feel how you know being on drugs like ambient because you can't sleep but now I sleep amazing you know being on drugs like this is one that I'm really excited about and I've heard a few people talk about this but I've been on Flomax price since 20 2000 and I'm telling you my prostate was to the point where or my BPH or whatever you call it was to the point if I would go do something and I would forget travel and forget to take my Flomax or forget to take it with me it would be desperation because it just didn't work you know and honestly I don't take Flomax anymore I I believe the prostate thing is inflammation too it has to be because mine just didn't magically go down it just works now and also insulin it's uh insulin it's a proc it's very insulin sensitive so insulin is an anabolic steroid and it causes tells things to grow and also tells your prostate to grow and so when you get a lot of you know High insulin you're eating a lot of sugar you're raising your insulin uh it it tells your prostate to grow and you can get big swollen um prostates you get rid of that insulin levels come down to normal and those tissues that were in hyperinflated due to those signals now go back down to normal so yeah that's that's um that's a well described Phenomenon with prostate so that's good hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want a nutritious snack that is just meat fat 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arms like I have now like super sized and you know and I watch YouTube video I forget who it was somebody said something about when you get on this long enough your circulatory system definitely regenerates itself and because to me that that's what makes sense to you know like I said earlier when we were created the one variable that nobody expected did is that we were going to go out and develop such crazy foods to poison ourselves with and uh you know to know that the oxalates and the poisons and vegetables are causing these crazy things to happen in your body and then you throw in the carbs in the [Music] sugar it's We There is it's just we weren't designed to handle that it wasn't expected you know and at least when you go back to a you know species specific diet which makes total sense to me that your body has a chance to heal itself because it isn't so busy trying to heal all the things that you're inflicting on it I think Dr V said that in one of his videos about circulatory system it's like a big construction zone and the more and you have all these workers out there and I believe he said that you know the cholesterol is actually like the agent that carries all the tools for the contractors you know this bad stuff that we're supposed to keep down it is what heals us you know like you said it's designed to rebuild your body till the day you die and hopefully that day is 120 or older but if you overload your body with all these issues that causes your construction workers that are supposed to fix your body to have so much work they can't keep up with anything that's when you die it's when you become miserable and to me it's so simple this diet this life style is so simple I love the fact I never get hungry true I'm sure you don't either you eat because it's a nutritional event it's not a social event yeah I never get hungry you know the whole philosophy of what did we do we hunted for things we caught them we feasted and we starved and nature didn't set us up to starve and be C crazy you know oh my God if I don't catch another you know he set us up not to be like that so we don't panic that's why fasting when you do this diet is so easy because you're not really fasting you're just being natural we were designed I think not to eat predominantly more than we were designed to eat and then what do people do all the time they snack constantly constantly we weren't supposed to do that we never had those things you know isn't it a shame we have the dock worker strike in the United States and there's going to be no bananas what a sin you know that's another thing to shocked me bananas have almost as much sugar in them as a canic Coke yeah I never do that so do apples yeah you didn't what is it 10 takes 10 apples to make a cup of apple juice yeah think a lot yeah yeah and I think the favorite statistic I heard I you know I'm I am almost you my daughter kind of warned me about don't get so obsessive with this it's like I'm not obsessive it's my passion you I like this I like trying to help people it's so obvious especially when you know it works and uh it's just I can't say enough about it you know when I talk to people especially when I try to explain to them the evils of corn oil you know a it's a seed it has all the defense chemicals in it I'm not even sure if corn was even an original plan or we invented it yeah we invented but the average American I think takes in eight tablespoons of canol oil a day because it's so pervasive in everything in our society and it takes 91 years of corn to make 8 tablespoons of canola oil that's just mind B to that we'll sit down and eat 91 ears of corn nobody can do that nobody would do that it's just like you wouldn't sit down and eat 10 apples you even heing oh olive oil is a much better solution well it takes 45 olives to make a tablespoon of olive oil would you sit on and eat 45 olives at a time I find get easier just eat meat it's simple it's simple it's delicious and you don't even have to think about how much you eat because like you said you're eat until your your body says I'm happy and you can tell by the taste and actually my son and I just split a 1,800 pound steer that's nicely marbled nice and uh really looking forward to not having to go to the butcher all the time yeah so John um first of all thank you for that that it's an amazing story you know all the things you've come through and now and now at this point in your life you know being so much healthier and so uh well being painfree and being able to enjoy your your life in a very different way um obviously that would have been you know amazing if you could get this even earlier but I'm glad that you got it now now I'm glad your daughter was able to to put you on to this um you know you you said something quite striking which was you you were basically had given up you were in so much pain that you would just you wanted you didn't want to live anymore you couldn't couldn't go through that anymore um and now uh that doesn't seem to be the case so what's you know so what what exactly has changed now what are you able to do now that you weren't able to before and and what's life like for John you know thing that I find the most amazing is you know I didn't ski in 22 obviously or because I had my hip replaced I had all my issues my pain and even though I was feeling amazingly better in December I wasn't going to go skiing it just wasn't in cards and so fast forward to this past winter we went to my uh daughter and son-in-law who are Avid snowboarders and they like to go out west and they like to ski fast and long you know and the old skier that I was we would go out and ski for two minutes and stop catch your breath two minutes you know and then honestly for me after skiing it was brutal I'd have to sit in the hot tub and just wonder how much I was going to be hurting the next day so we went out and it was a first time skiing firstly on my hip so I was a little pensive about that because it is a completely artificial hip with a collar on it because of my spinal fusure and uh and so the first run I was like it was pretty good you know I I skied really well and I really didn't have any issues and I was just like and I didn't even notice but my right knee didn't grind which was a big point and uh then then after that it was like okay I'm GNA keep up with you guys because I can ski pretty well I've been skiing my whole life the thing I was after about the four and we literally did top to bottom at at at Park City and there's some of those runs are miles long probably after the fifth or sixth run we're sitting on the ski with and I looked at my son-in-law and said you know this is really weird but my legs aren't burning I'm not tired at all and when we were done I never got sore it was like I never did it nice it's just like the re the ability to recover is so different even doing stupid things like yard work or trimming trees or trimming bushes you know holding hedge clim you know things that I used to just get brutally sore over it's just like I don't do it MH you know there's so many changes happening to me you know one of my bigger issues too was my you know when my spinal fusion in my neck when when I used to try to turn my neck like this it would it would actually scare me because it would grind and crack and pop so much I mean literally it would grind the whole air you could hear it my neck doesn't grind at all any at all you know and I kind of believe that I may have been I think oxalates crystallizing all your joints and I don't know if I was so overloaded with oxalates that you know I still think occasionally my body still dumps oxalates cuz I'm like you I'm two years into this now and I don't know how long it takes to completely Purge your body of those things but all I know is it's just remarkably different for me my my attitude with work you know was I depressed before you know that's why this was never a weight issue to me because for the three months leading up to this I was so damn depressed I didn't eat I just didn't eat I had no reason to eat like I said I was ready to check out you know when I did eat if I tried to move I threw up it just wasn't a very nice situation for me and uh so to get out of that you know and you know but the amazing thing the standard lines you go to the doctor you would think the doctor would go wow he like we need to be checking that cholesterol you know still worries about that cholesterol I'm like it's like I I actually just had a colon oopy then know I guess it's the Conor colonos and uh yeah and actually when I went in there because this guy likes to talk the doctor likes to talk I told him I said here's what I'm doing man it's changed my life told him all about it and you know told him my opinion on fiber which is your opinion on fiber and uh and you know and then after the colon oopy is over he comes into me and goes well you know it's this same thing every time because I've had one since I've been 50 so this is I can't even remember how many times I've done that I don't know if I'm even going to do it anymore I think it might be a waste of time but he goes yeah we removed a small pop and you have a little bit of diverticulitis so you need to keep eating that fiber okay whatever he said I'm not eating F you know because my digestion is you know it's funny you you you listen I like to you know I like to spend when I do watch YouTube videos I like to really watch sites a lot like Dave Max site where he just talks to people you know it's not always a medical lecture it's just their experience and I really believe people aren't going to just make it up it's really happening out there you know you know and so to me it's a lot more entertaining and learning to watch that because after a while I mean it's it's reinforcement constantly and but in general I I just I can't say enough about how my life has changed because of this lifestyle and uh I have to tell you a brief funny story about the rendevu beef round up just to tell you how pervasive you're you know I think I put a little thing in my notes about my belief in business you know if you're if you're going to sell anything or Market anything new it has to be a cause you better figure out what cause it is because it will not have a place and then you have to be an evangelist and you got to go out and create disciples got a good one here I'm a great disciple for this and uh you know so you walk L my trainer thought what I was going to say about that was at the Rond Vu be City round up there something there oh yeah yeah so on the way back we're driving back and I had actually rented a car that had automatic driving and and I was playing with it in the car also and it was a rental car so the acceleration that thing was something bottom line I got pulled over were like 90 and a s yeah and I was just like I looked up oh I can't believe it and so I pulled over the exit and state policeman comes up and this is in Nebraska and he goes you're in a hurry I was like H what can I say you know I told him I said it's a rental car and you know and and he goes so where are you coming from and I told him I saids well we were just out in Wyoming at a I said I went out there to learn a little more about grass race grass finish beef and I said but we really went out there because it's kind of becoming a kind of like a new convention meeting thing for lifestyle kind of lead called carnivore and the state cop looks at me and goes I'm six months [Laughter] in nice I got a warning we talked for at least a half hour about the diet that's all we did we talked about it was like 100 degre outside and he was just sweating up a storm talking to me about how much better he feels and getting my advice and I was like I know I'm not gonna get a ticket though yeah that's awesome it was pretty amazing but what are the odds of that yeah it's just I really believe there is how long can people hide from this you know I I've been noticing on X that somebody keeps publishing a study that was done at Harvard in 2019 with 20 2,069 diabetics that did did carnivore for six straight months 100% of them went into remission 100% And there's all the other little statistics they did and I don't know why that isn't like front page news and everywhere because it's gonna well it's funny that show that that Harvard study has had like 2,000 or so patient not all of them were diabetic but there were a lot of diabetics in there and you're right 100% of them came off 100% of their uh injectable medications and put their diabetes into remission autoimmune issues and all these other things massively improved um and you know everyone said that they improved and got better and uh they had to be Carnivor for at least 6 months and that was that was sort of the criteria and um you know the immediate sort of um detractions from people who you know who who hype up you know the nurses study and things like that that are just a survey they say Hey what' you eat last last year or last two years or something like that you know which are extremely inaccurate but they just they all be all of um uh that this oh I'm sorry I think this is messed up my um there we go I think my microphone changed for a second but um you this is the the nurses studying those survey studies or the end all be all um and they and they push that for saying oh meat's bad all that sort of stuff and then you get get this which is exactly as re as um as high as good as the nurses study if not more uh they said you know it's not a good study you know there's all these flaws it's just you're just asking them you know what they like so is the nurses study so are all these um uh nutritional survey studies it's a it's a it's a nutritional survey study so as flaw or powerful as it is as they all are it's exactly that and so you know you can't you can't just go and say well all these nutritional survey studies are just the bee's needs and then you until you get one that you don't want until you get one that has has different results that you don't want and then you start talking about all the flaws you can't do that um but yeah so but you know there's a lot of there's a lot of powers at be that make uh tens of trillions of dollars uh feeding us garbage and then treating the disorders that we get from eating that garbage uh worldwide and so I think what's I think personally what's even more amazing is the federal government in the United States and I don't know what they do in Australia but we subsidize farming to make it the grains even cheaper yeah for the companies that are making the poison and now the government's going to have this massive you know they think the health situation is bad now you know my wife and I go to a lot of concerts and I think the published obesity rate in the United States right now is what either 40 or 70% I don't know 40 42% obesity and 70% overweight and obese yeah I'll tell you what you go to the concerts and just sit back and watch the people I think it's higher than that it's almost scary and you almost want to go up and slap people and say what are you doing to yourself how can you not look in the mirror and go this is not normal but it's become the new normal to to be fair oh sorry to to be to be fair about the you know the Obesity right um it can be a bit skewed because um it goes by BMI and right so me at my height and weight I'm BMI 29 and a half to 30 30 is the cut off for obesity and so you know depending on if I go to the gym more I'll become obese right I put on more muscle and then all of a sudden I'm obese and so that does that does come into play for instance the Pacific Islands like you know Samoa Tonga you know Fiji those sorts of places they have some of the highest obesity rates in the world they they've gotten like it's like 70% obesity rates and then you know overweight but you know you go there and and they certainly do have some people that are extremely obese as far as body fat percentage and then other ones they just look like they're walking around they just got done at the Arnold you know I mean they just look like they're just they're just statues you know um Pacific Islanders have um a much higher um prevalence of something called the Burly Jee which is very aptly name because it makes me makes you buff and Burly and they just get just absolutely stacked with muscle and they look like they're on steroids and they've never been in the gym in their life um and you get put you turn on the Burly Jee in animals and they just you know they just look absolutely jacked up U but they have a higher prevalence of that and so you get these very big and also their bones they have higher bone density uh as well than uh than other other populations and uh you know they're just they're just built different and so that can skew that as well you know but you're right there are the you know the majority of people it are definitely have a lot of excess fat and weight and are unhealthy certainly you know and everything I know that excess weight is trying to tell you that that glucose has no place to go it's just building up your body's crying out and saying I need help you know and that you'll talk I'm not diabetic I'm not diabetic you know one of the things I I was never my entire life blood work was never a big deal was just not something you know even when I would get my annual blood work done it's like never even reviewed it it it was always okay and uh you know but one of the things that was I strikingly remember is when I was having my physical therapy for my hip replacement one of the exercises I had to do was they put these like rubber they're almost like cloths that are rubber that you can fold up and tie and then you put them between your legs and I was doing side steps you know like I said I was like a machine doing physical therapy obv was side that was all into it and I'll never forget when I was done with that exercise the physical therapist standing back just looking at me going oh my I'm like what do you look where I had those things in my leg it was like a welt that was like a half inch deep I had pitting edema so bad I mean I would touch my leg with my finger the hole would stay there for for a long time yeah so which told me I probably probably was either pre-diabetic or diabetic I'm not sure because I've never been tested and uh I know the one blood work I had done here it's probably a year ago I think I came back at like 5.4 5.6 the A1C thing and uh and then the last one I had done it came back at 5.7 it was highlighted that I was pre-diabetic and I think I saw an article say no no no no that test can be skewed because I don't I don't know what molecule it is in your body but something gets bigger and lasts longer when you're on this diet so it can skew that number when you're fasting because when you're fasting you don't get rid of the I don't know the red blood cells or something as quickly and so once I read that I was like I'm not worried about that mhm because I am definitely not that I can't be I mean unless I'm like some kind of freak that gets diabetes without any carbs and sugar I just like to me it's all poison yeah and like like I said when you're in my position everything became poison but me yeah it was easy things that I loved just became poison and people need to understand that and that's why you know one I have a dear friend his wife has rheumatoid arthritis so bad her hands are like so bad and I was just like I said oh you got to do this I said what do you have to lose nobody ever died from eating me I said just do it for four weeks and she goes oh my God but I love my legumes I could never eat with my my you know my like you're more worried about beans and the fact that you can't hold anything in your hands yeah yeah do you love your beans more than you love your hands yeah I just it just blows my mind but you know again it gets back to that gerem myah old diet diet yeah diet I think I think they just they just can't you know it's just too good to be true you know just can't oh no I couldn't do that because they they don't understand like how big of a difference it's going to make in their life you know whereas if if they did that and they actually they could move their hands and they were pain free I I doubt very much that you know much of any of them would ever go back at the end of the month and go screw it's not worth it you know pinto beans is better than this it's like no it's not no one's gonna say that you know so it's just I I just I think they just don't believe it I think they just they think it's too good to be true they've been told their entire life by their doctors and then everyone else that it's it's never going to be cured it's never going to get better it's only going to get worse and they believe it and they believe it deep down and even though they saw that you you did it it's a fluke and even though that other people have done it that's a fluke too even though tens of thousands of people have done it already uh that's still a fluke and even though that was the treatment for rheumatoid arthritis specifically since the 1800s and that's in the medical literature it's still a fluke I mean it's it's they have to they have to sort of see this the preponderance of evidence before they just go okay that makes sense to me or or just get to a screw it moment I've got nothing to lose like you you were just like what the hell do I have to lose I'm already checked out anyway what's what's eating me for a couple weeks it makes it easier you know and that's where the challenge is for somebody that isn't in that position yeah but my attitude about that is but why wait why wait till you're in that position because then it's a whole different story I wish I would have done this when I was 20 yeah you know I like I I you know to me you know you know the changes like I'm watching my visual fat just disappeared you know slow it's not 100% yet but I'm starting to have the beginnings of my sixpack and I do not do situps just don't do situps I'm just beginning to exercise a little bit you know I'm trying but I'm trying to do more along the lines of just like running hard yeah and not waste my time doing rep after rep but just I don't know getting back to the natural thing just like the animals they go out and Sprint nature beefs them up same thing should happen to us if you go out and work really hard it's going to trigger things in your body to make it grow and be strong and it just makes total sense to to understand and believe the the history of this is so important and then the other side of it which really really kind of hit me in the face too because I never really understood this I ate a lot of eggs not as much as I did in the beginning but I eat a lot of eggs but when you and and again I don't know this for fact but it's my understanding that the makeup of an egg and the makeup of a mother's breast milk are very similar very very similar as far as nutrients cholesterol saturated fat content all the all the little things that are necessary to nurture a new life into this world you know and you know and amazes me that eggs became bad for us for a while several years ago and how that ever came about but what really opened my eyes to this whole thing is the fact that your brain and your heart prefer to be nourished with was it an amino acid called a ketone it's the primary food source for your brain and your heart and when you are insulin resistant you're loaded with glucose your liver quits making that and so your brain and your heart are living off of glucose and starving to death you know and so you then you go back to well geez then look at a little kid developing and I think you did an amazing job talking about I actually sent you a couple videos on your Gmail my granddaughter eating her right eating her first ribeye bone yeah and gwing on her ribey you know and she loves it you know and they're taking it seriously because you know the average person doesn't realize that a baby's in perfect ketosis it's braining its harder developing at the maximum that it can and then what do we do after 6 months we put them on baby formula invented by Dr Nestle yeah I think that's crazy yeah you know and that's why the switch because we didn't do that thousands of years ago to immediately poison our kids yeah to stunt their development you know and both of my we've had we had two new grandkids come in here just in the last 6 months 8 months and uh they're all into the carnivore di now yeah good some of them not completely but uh but they're really paying attention to what they're giving the kids to the sugar is like getting taken away I don't even know if my one granddaughter will ever see sugar I hope not yeah so John um unfortunately I have to to run to uh another meeting here in a second but I did want to ask you just quickly you know your your doctor that you've worked with for years that has seen has seen you in such pain you've got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and all these other you multi uh you know multiple reasons for having this this serious systemic pain uh what does your what do your long-term doctor think of your recovery he really just doesn't have an opinion you know it's more like kind of whatever you're doing keep doing it that's I'm telling you what I'm doing I even like gter and say how many Ms patients you have he says I have quite a few of them I said are you telling them the diet will possibly reverse Ms then I tell him the story what's her Terry walls she's a PhD in medical research at the University of Iowa MH was in a wheelchair with a joystick and now she rides her bicycle to work MH how can doctors not tell people this yeah how can they keep telling them to do insulin when they could tell them to just quit eating garbage yeah amazes me and if I could ask one other real quick question is aaia an autoimmune disease aaia aaia yeah genetica affects your affects your spine stem and you lose your ability to walk in function aaia yeah I'm pretty sure pretty sure that's what it's called a taxia maybe well there's a taxia that' be difficult gate and there's apraxia which is another uh thing entirely and that's um that's a you know sort of a motor uh motor issue you can't really control your movements um but uh you there can be different causes of that of both hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show for everybody down in Australia Stockman staks who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed to Door something I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver kidneys and beef heart as well so use code chaffy today for free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at Stockman steaks.com and I'll see you over there thanks guys yeah it's I just have a friend and it's genetic and I haven't seen him in years and he's in a wheelchair and what I was able to read online about it it's defin it's an autoimmune issue well it's a genetic and it can be genetic it can be caused by Strokes it can be caused by a lot of things and uh probably talking about aaia then yeah apraxia is sort of a general term for the sort of different these movement disorders where you really can't control your movement but they could be from different different reasons for that um right the the thing with you know genetic or anything else you know there there's typically a large environmental component so you we have these different twin studies and we looked at different genetic issues where you have um you know both twins are identical twins and they both have this genetic issue but if one person has the disease like 60% of the time the other twin will have the disease so they have it's called penetrance right so if there's um if they've studied that in twin studies U they might be able to say that that you this disease had a has a 60% penetrance and so you know if you have this Gene 60% of the time you'll get the disease basically right so um it's uh so what does that mean that means you have to have a genetic predisposition and an environmental trigger so most diseases on Earth are going to be that you have a genetic predisposition environmental trigger even even um these chronic diseases that are you know essentially in entirely environmental you have some people that are more or less predisposed to getting them you have uh different people that have had um exposure to agriculture for 8 to 10,000 years you know we eat this garbage we still get diabetes we still get heart disease we still get autoimmunity we still get arthritis and osteoporosis and cancer and all these other sorts of things but Native Americans native Australians the Messi these people that have only been very recently introduced to agricultural foods and a post post agriculture Society they have far higher rates it's it's far easier for them to get it because they're more genetically predisposed because they don't haven't built up 10,000 years of of defenses against these sorts of things so yeah so uh you know so you can certainly have a genetic you know cause for these sorts of things but they will almost always have environmental triggers and so you know changing diet and lifestyle and trying to improve it maximally in all these different sorts of ways getting rid of all the different exposure is a weird chem we you we've invented and patented over 1 million novel chemicals since the 1970s that have never existed in nature and so you know what the hell are these things doing but they they all get they you know we have these things in agricultural um you know Industries but also in food products um beauty industry and cleaning products we're getting constantly exposed to these chemicals that have never existed in nature and we have no idea what they do long term and and of course they're going to do something it doesn't matter about calories calories don't mean anything in this context where we have chemical interactions and they're disrupting our our normal uh physiology and and homeostasis and so um you know we're just sort of learning more and more about these things but you invented all these these chemicals a million of them more and and we they've never existed in nature so we've never been able to see what they can do to us and um and they're they're definitely going to have an effect one way or the other so getting rid of all those things and you know trying to be outside you know the average person now average child especially in America spends less time Outdoors than a prisoner in a supermax prison which is sort of crazy to think about you know because they're locked up but they get one hour of yard time every day and we think well we could go outside any time we're not prisoners but we don't we act like it so we're in a box in home at home we go in a box in our car drive to our box at work or school and we come back and sit in a box all day we don't go outside you know so people I mean I looked at my own life you know not including driving time I I spend I you I was spending less than an hour outside because I just I'm just working all day and I'm working inside so it's just like okay well maybe I should get an outdoor workspace but um I can't really see patients like that unless I go back to the old hypocrates um method where I sit under a tree and you know teach students and see patients but um you know that's that's not always possible but um you know doing all those things and and just addressing this with diet and lifestyle doing all the same things that other people are doing and massively improving their health we we have no idea the extent of benefit that we can get and which issues and illnesses that we can uh help as a result of this so like you said it's not going to hurt so might as well just try and see what happens well you know it's there's two like firstly that particular family the way it was described to me with that Axia thing was it's a genan they got from their grandmother and their great grandmother and they're all cursed they all have it they're all going to get it they live in fear of it you know and it's just like you know to me you know and then I read it it's definitely an autoimmune thing however you know I don't know enough about it there's only a couple YouTube videos about it and the one guy is definitely a Conor guy talking to a group of aaia patients most of them can't hardly even talk and uh but there was really not a lot of content about that or anything you know but to me it gets back to the same thing the gun that's loaded and we have the trigger yeah and I understand how not to pull the trigger now and that's to me that's the importance of what you've educated me on and what Dr Barry and you know the the amazing work that you guys are doing I mean I know you see 10 or 20 patients a day but you're actually seeing thousands if not millions of patients a day you're you're affecting so many lives you got to be just blown away by what you discovered here and I know you didn't like invent this you tripped over it kind of like I you tripped over a long time ago but never even realized what you were doing other than you plants were bad yeah now you know and you shared it I think it's awesome and I just want to thank you for it really oh well thank you and and you're very welcome I'm I'm I'm really truly glad that this has helped you in the way that it has you know I get you know every now and then you'll get you know some somebody saying some horrible things and saying that I'm hurting people and killing people and all that sort of stuff and um you know but for every one of those people I get a thousand people like yourself that that come forward and saying this has completely revolutionized their life and and given them their life back and so you know obviously I know that um well I know I know in principle that this works because that's what the evidence shows I know in my own experience I know in my experience as a as a clinician I see this working every day and then seeing the thousands of people you know hundreds of thousands now that have been reaching out and um and and talking about their recovery you know I I know I know that this is the right track um I I'm always worried about it because like I don't want to be wrong I don't want to lead people down the wrong path especially when people are in such Dire Straits as you were and so I I constantly think about that and when someone comes up and say oh here's here's a problem here's a flaw you know I'm like okay let's check it out let's see what's going on you know do I need to adjust this and you know quite often it's just you know the same sort of tired arguments just sort of wrapped up in a different package they just sort of you know we shut them down on all their different fronts and then they just and then they don't admit defeat and admit like oh gosh okay yeah we it looks like we were wrong some people do but um you know the the ideologues and the people profiting off of off of this is you know vilifying meat uh don't and and almost never will um and they they'll just jump to a different different things like okay well this got shut down that got shut down that got shut down well what about this and what about hor mesis and what about you know it's just like it's just you know it's um you know they're just sort of desperately trying to to stay in the argument when they when they have no you know leg to stand on so um it's and then they just always go back to cholesterol you know that's that's sort of the same argument you know but it's you know I haven't bad been so seriously debunked I don't understand how doctors can even still talk about well you know but like the but like the you know the people that are that are in this space and that are arguing against meat you know they have no they have no excuse you know because they're saying that they've looked into this and yes it's it's it's really the case no you clearly haven't then and if you have then you're making excuses as um you know as to what you found I mean there there's no experimental data anywhere on Earth that has ever existed ever uh that we know of that has ever shown a cause and effect relationship between um meat red meat saturated fat animal fat or cholesterol of any form total cholesterol LDL cholesterol sdldl cholesterol or any other particulate Appo LP little a anything any cholesterol anything have never shown a cause and effect relationship ever and there are plenty of studies that show an inverse correlation or lack of correlation whatsoever and there are at least five large randomized control trials with thousands of patients that have shown either absolutely no benefit by lowering cholesterol or in two of the larger uh better design studies uh that actually killed people that more people were dying of heart attacks and strokes by replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated vegetable oils and lowering LDL cholesterol um and the excuse there is well all that shows is that linolic acid isn't good for you was like guess what's in plant oils buddy like guess what's in the fats that you're telling people to replace uh animal fat with um and uh no that doesn't just show that because they weren't just giving them straight linolic acid they were giving them seed oils they were giving them margarine um and they and they were dying you know and they and they buried those things so you know it's um you know they they just make excuses no matter how much evidence preponderance of evidence they just keep making excuses and at that point they're just so ideologically caught up in what they're doing they're either blind to the to the truth or they're just lying on purpose to to push an agenda that they're likely being paid for and um either way you know it's not it's not really um it's not really becoming of them as uh as people in general and certainly not Physicians because there are Physicians pushing this and um but you know they the the the day-to-day doctors this is just what we're being spoonfed in medical school is what being spoonfed in residency and you're so laser focused on passing your exams and so you're just studying whatever the hell they teach you and that is Gospel and uh and then you just you pass your tests and then you get into a residency and you just hyperfocused on passing your residency and and passing your boards and you're like oh thank God you can breathe again and then you uh get into your practice and and now you you've just been so trained to be so pigeon hold in your thinking that you don't even look outside the box you know because your whole universe is the Box and and there are people that do get that that new information comes up and you have to stay current but um you know if they're not being exposed to that either because it's it's just you don't get this sort of information in the big uh in you know certain conferences like the diabetes conferences and you know cardiac conferences things like that because their main sponsors are the Food and Drug uh companies and they don't allow speakers like this to come in and and shake things up often um and you know a lot of a lot of uh journals are being uh railroaded by the Food and Drug companies and and you know the Monsanto and bears of the world that are are their main uh Financial supporters um to not publish things that go against their products and that's something that a um Professor from MIT uh Stephanie can't remember her name but um she she said that oh actually um I have it here Stephanie SF ne ne e f she's a um older woman and a professor at MIT and you should be able to publish anything from a professor at MIT and not like in you know the humanities but like in in the hard sciences and um and so she she's saying that she can't get her her work published because she's doing a lot of research on glyphosate and showing how toxic and harmful it is and um you know the the big companies that this would hurt uh are shut it down and putting pressure on the um on the on the journals to uh to not publish her work and not publish other people's work and to retract and and pull out um papers that they don't like and so that's something that she's dealing with now and that's going to be all over um any any publication so the the the you know the peer reviewed system is already a bit bankrupt because you're asking people to basically you're never going to progress anything because the peer reviewers are going to be like no that does meet with the the consensus we're not going to let that in unless they have an open mind and go okay that's interesting that's a new way of looking at things but a lot of people will say no that that's not what the consensus says we're not going to let this in um but you know even worse than that these journals are now uh you know being being you know told what to publish and who to publish and you have all these uh studies that are mostly you know pushing a product and they are flawed or intentionally misleading you know because they make retrospective retrospective uh end points you know they'll run a study out like Monsanto did a study on rats where they exposed them to um glyphosate and they said look this is this is this is healthy this is fine we had these rats and they didn't get any problems well the thing is they only ran they only ran the experiment for three months because after that they started getting a lot of illnesses and sicknesses and so someone else tried to reproduce that study which is the only way that you can tell you can tell is valid if an independent lab follows what you did and reproduces the results and so this was not reproducible they had um well in so far as when they redid the study and actually let it go longer to the natural course of the these rats uh life they they had huge uh issues they had you know kidney failure and tumors and all sorts of horrible medical issues and um and so you know Monsanto would have retroactively put in these points they they ran this experiment out saw these problems happening and then went back to a point uh that they weren't having problems and published that you know it's in in a post Hawk fashion you know and so um it's it's extremely dishonest and um and uh and it's very common it's very prevalent and then they they're the major funders of these journals and uh the media companies and the News sources and the news outlets so if anything comes out in the news about you know against them like they're less likely to come out in those in those um new those news platforms that they sponsor um and then they push them to say hey you need to go and you need to go and defend us and say that this is all garbage as well so that happens too so we're in a very very um very scary time where our sources of information are extremely corrupt and the truth is not allowed to get out unfortunately because it it um it costs people money seems to be the new motive life in 2024 doesn't it every it really is it's really kind of sad you know just like the Terry wals the the PHD at University of Iowa that reversed her Ms that was in the wheelchair she um one of the things I read about her that was pretty stunning is she was blown away by what happened to her just like me yeah and uh and she you know she really wanted to start because she's a PhD she does medical research that's what she does and uh and she could not get any funding from the NIH because they said nobody would ever do that the reason is nobody would ever do that so she's doing her research with private funding because she can't get any from the government because but it's probably more pressures from what you're describing than that but you know it's unun just like old people and I I try to tell people especially when I run into somebody and they want to talk about it I finally got to the point if you want to talk about it I'll be glad to talk to but I don't like probie people because it just you can tell right away when people are turning it off yeah but you know you try to tell them it doesn't matter how old you are you will be amazed how different you will feel if you put the proper food in your body yeah definitely yeah yeah hope what's his name carry man hopefully his documentary healing Humanity will get it out a little bit Yeah I seem to be seeing I you know it's hard to tell in social media because they gauge so much of what you look at so that's all you get to see you know they they they put in their models and so you kind of get it but I'm seeing more and more by carnivore in the news I thought Dr lkin news was huge but it didn't get the attention it should have well I think we just we just keep pushing and you know having and getting more stories like yours out there uh is is is really the way that happens you know is getting people saying okay I'm in that situation maybe it can work for me and giving it a try so you know to that end thank you very much for that John I really appreciate you coming on I really appreciate you taking the time um yeah my advice to you as a doctor and a surgeon if I were and this is what I told the surgeon that did my hip I said if I were you I would put people on an all me Diet at least four weeks before the surgery so they heal faster oh they do they'll recover quicker yeah because the recovery part of this is the amazing thing to me the energy I have because I spent most of my I used to tell my wife all the time I can't believe I'm so tired all the time like hardly put my foot in front of the other part of it was a draining of the pain but a lot of it was what was going on in my body because what I was putting into it it's just like I said I think if you keep it simple this is so easy it's so easy to eat it's uh I'll never change I don't see a point of changing yeah me too I love it great well John thank you so much for coming on it's been a pleasure well thank you not a problem and I look forward to seeing you again at some more conferences in the US yep I plan on going to a few of them I'm gonna try to get a little more active in this Arena I think it can only help I feel like putting up a sign that says I can help you get rid of your diabetes yeah but I'm not a doctor so yeah but I don't know if you get in trouble for coing people on how they eat or not it's just you're allowed to give your opinion you just can't give uh medical advice unless you're licensed to in that area right exactly but yeah and I got enough in my plate I don't need to do that so yeah great well thank you I appreciate it not a problem John 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