Changing Your Diet Could Help Your Autoimmune Disease!

why is it that when I started eating 4,000 5,000 calories a day from about 1,500 calories a day eating a buttload of vegetables and just lean meat I lost 23 lbs in 10 days I remember this graphic that showed that um there was fruit loops on number one or much higher healthier than then x x was like unhealthy Frosted Flakes was actually ranked higher then Corn Flakes so the sugar made it better apparently welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining another episode of the plant-free MD I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a special guest U Miss Lena will going all the way over from Germany do I have that right yes I'm from German Germany very good so you've been carnivore now for a little while um can you tell us a bit about that how do you get into a cornivore diet in the first place and how do you find it yeah thank you so much for being here at first I'm so excited to be here I'm so grateful for this opportunity and I appreciate your hard work you're putting into spreading your knowledge about this diet uh first of all and yeah I got into this diet because um I met somebody that had an autoimmune issue and he really uh was struggling with this disease he was inflamed all the time and uh suddenly he noticed this diet and uh yeah he tried it and he got better and this has had such a huge impact on me witnessing that um him getting better I'm so grateful for for that and yeah that's why I decided that this is the proper human diet and this has to be healthy and I just wanted to maintain my health that's how I got to carnivore and that's why I'm still doing it okay um yeah yeah I never had any health issues sorry oh good so how how long have you been doing it now yourself it's um like over one and a half years now so yeah yeah yeah I don't know just once you start I just can't imagine going back I mean there are sentences stuck in my head as plans are trying to kill you that's what you're always saying and yeah just knowing how many diseases really got um better when when going carnivore I just have to imagine that this has to be the proper diet and I just want to maintain my health yeah well that's good I mean that's yeah that's what what we should try to do obviously it's better to to head that off before it becomes a problem so yeah that's good so what sort of differences have you notice if you noticed that um you felt a lot different or you just keeping you as you are I I've been I've never been seriously sick so I didn't had like major changes in my health I noticed that I'm more energetic throughout the day that I can just leave the house in the morning and feeling good then coming home eating once for example and being totally fine with that I noticed that I'm I stopped stressing and worrying about food because I before that my relationship with food probably was never really good I um I don't know I was just worrying about food feel like guilt or shame after eating whatever um I would leave the house without eating coming home in the evening and then like eating whatever and uncontrolled and waking up the next morning feeling fat disgusting not eating because I didn't want to look fat or whatever um that was basically my life and going carnivore combined with going to the gym basically eliminated that completely because now I'm just eating and I'm feeling full after eating and good and I'm have to eat because I have to get energy and it's just not a deal anymore and I never thought that a relationship like this is even possible with food I thought that everybody that didn't worry about food was pretending like what do you mean you're not worrying about food um yeah that's great it's just that you are eating the right things I guess and that's why you don't feel bad after eating so yeah yeah well it's it's um you know you shouldn't feel bad after eating I mean we're we're to we have to eat so you know why should we feel wretched after we're eating you should feel good you know that's a good sign that uh that you did something good so yeah yeah exactly so well that's good that it it's really nice when people that are younger and don't have health issues are coming to this as well because you just you had it off I talked to so many people that say well you know I actually feel pretty good you don't have any issues so I don't I don't need to sort of change what I'm doing because I'm doing pretty good but obvously you don't want to you don't want to wait until you get a problem and also 100% agree yeah and also no idea how good you could feel if properly it's also when I was younger and I thought about when um when I'm ever getting pregnant I have I couldn't eat tomatoes for like nine months and it was stressing me out because I loved tomatoes and the thought that uh eating tomatoes during pregnancy is a bad thing just stresses that nobody's worrying about eating tomatoes when you're not pregnant and I also uh found that a lot of people that are were infertile they started eating carnivore and suddenly they could have children that's that's just amazing what carnivore can do to you so yeah well even just um you know polycystic ovarian syndrome seems to be driven by by insulin resistance and so you know you get rid of the carbs you get rid of all that and that all comes down and and you end up um being able to reverse a lot of these issues including PCOS and get pregnant again which is you know a Hallmark of good health is is your hor ility really yeah um I I also used to eat like a lot lot of V vegetables I was also to be honest um I was on the way of going vegetarian yeah because that's all you're hearing you everywhere it's just eating vegetables is healthy eating vegan is the way to go and I was always concerned about my health and um yeah health is the most important thing so uh I was really into that as well and I really wanted to eat no meat at all and then I discovered carnivore and yeah things changed quickly yeah that's funny well yeah I'm glad you I'm glad you sort of figured that out before you you ended up going down that route and hurting yeah yeah that's true it's also funny that um my mother uh she when I went carnivore H she really had um or she was afraid of cholesterol and noticing me eating all of this stuff she also can now eat eggs whatever she wants or how many she wants because she was limiting her intake at that point so you're having a huge impact oh good yeah well I mean even then there you know there isn't there isn't much contention that dietary cholesterol doesn't really affect your serum cholesterol you know that's something that's sort of been put to bed even if you think that higher cholesterol is bad most people agree that eating more cholesterol doesn't actually change the cholesterol in your body and yeah I love that yeah but you know at the same time if you just stop eating all together your LDL will go up right cholesterol will go up you know it's like why is that so is not eating is that is that causing heart disease you know probably not um and you know a lot of people recognize in many studies looking at the benefits of fasting and you know religions that fast regularly you know have have a lot of Health improvements because of that and that raises the cholesterol so what's what's going on here so it's not from the food it's not from the cholesterol that we're eating and if we don't eat or we don't eat carbs at all cholesterol goes up so really it's more to to do with metabolism than than anything else yeah definitely well that's good that your mom was coming around how long did that say yeah she um I think she she was doing the keto but she can't really stick to it because then oh there's cake and whatever you know so but she she really um started eating more meat uh and eggs as well and I'm recommending it to everybody that um when you're having health issues when you want to lose weight I'm like you could go carnivore I'm just saying yeah yeah I I also feel obligated somehow when somebody has a disease I won't like to bring it up like yeah you know there's this thing I'm doing because that was like I saw how much it helped somebody and I just feel I don't want to gatekeep that like yeah you never know that this is even an option because all you're hearing is go vegan and every your all your problems are going to be solved nobody's talking about this diet and yeah yeah knowing that it can help makes me also want to share the knowledge somehow yeah absolutely I I agree you know there's something that the Dr uh Gary fi said which is you know once you once you see this once you see the benefits that eating can give like you can't unsee it you know so as a doctor when you're when you're putting patients on a keto carnivore diet and they're reversing their diabetes and they don't need to get their foot amputated or their leg UT yes you know you can't you can't unsee that you can't just be like ah whatever just one of those things that's not supposed to happen you know these things are supposed to get worse and by the time you're chopping chopping off legs it's a bad case and then all of a sudden it goes away it doesn't just go away obviously what you did uh helped and so you can't just ignore that if you're at all conscious or responsible so you know you seeing that with your friend and you know obviously you're going to want that for other people too definitely it's just that um he would have gotten medications uh and they would have been like a bit against the symptoms and you'll have loads of side effects and of course the medications have to increase and you by the way have to take them for the rest of your life and this is something that they are telling people and then there is this diet he changed his diet and he went better and you mean how much courage do you have to have to just change your diet and say no to this medication I thought he's crazy you know like what do you mean you're not taking the medications um you're going to die yeah yeah turns out he was right yeah and if if you don't mind me asking what what issue did he have um I'm not sure if I can say that because uh he was public about his autoimmune disorder uh I'm not sure if he want me to say what exactly he had um but he had like a lot of inflammations had to go to operations he was really of course couldn't do Sports he was lying in bed um all the time okay yeah was really really not a good situation to be in and um he started with poo paleo um and then switched to carnivore because you noticed like um potatoes went good so for example that yeah what's the thing I think we should I think we should take back that name because the real paleo diet is a carnivore diet like that that's the whole reason we're doing it is because it is a Paleolithic diet that's what we were eating in the ice ages that's what we're supposed to eat so yeah I think I think we need to take that that name back you know because I'm doing paleo real really but are you eating honey no I thought paleo is also with honey and no that's fake paleo because what realic then ate was just meat right you know okay they co-opted the name they they decided that like this is the paleo diet but that's not actually what the paleo diet was the Paleo well I mean for certain parts of the Paleolithic area but era but for the vast majority of um of human existence we've been eating predominantly if not exclusively meat and certainly in the ice ages what else is there to eat you know if you're if you're on a you know a 2,000 mile Glacier and um you know there's only animals around you what are you eating yeah so that's what I think the real Paleolithic diet so I'm just saying we should take back that name and let interesting do it good to know that yeah so did how did your friend find out about the cornivore diet um probably just scrolling on YouTube finding your page oh I guess um I don't think there was a crazy story behind that just getting to know it maybe he was also looking up his disease and finding your page because I was also looking videos and there are like loads of people that you're helping like under each and every video you're posting there are 100 people telling uh yeah I'm 70 now I filled my best after one month of Carnival I feel like 30 years younger like yeah what's happening yeah well that's the thing too you know and and and then you'll find one you know angry vegan in there going like you know there's no you know no one ever actually gets better on Carnivore like did you read the comments around you yes that's just you can't deny that blindness yeah it's willful blindness really at that point so but to to be honest uh I'm also like doing social media since March and I also haven't really talked about me being carnivore I never post my food like usually and I'm also oh I'd rather say yeah I'm not eating any car carbs instead of saying I am only meeting then I'm counting five products and then I'm ending with salt and when once you say that you're eating salt as a product that you're eating people are getting like what do you mean like what do you mean you're only eating five products including salt yeah so um once you're saying yeah I don't eat any carbs people will just think you're on a diet and eating or no sugar or something yeah I think that's thing you know keto is pretty much accepted you say I'm just sort of doing keto just not eating carbs or and people people tend to tend to leave you alone after that yes I also you you said once in a um in a YouTube video or something uh that people don't care what you're eating on social Gatherings and you are so right when you were saying that I thought like I don't know about that but because I think that there was um I was wasn't really on social Gatherings at that point or I just avoided it um and then you were saying this and I didn't believe you um then I went on social Gatherings like on birthdays I was on weddings and no nobody cares the worst thing that's going to happen to you is people asking are you aren't you eating anything else and then you're answering yes and maybe additionally I don't eat any carbs and that's basically the whole conversation so maybe they are asking some Curious questions about the diet and maybe they are like um I don't know that's that's a good thing to do and you're either talk to them or you're just quit the conversation and talk about anything else so nobody cares no yeah and and and as soon as like you you've said that a couple times too and just sort of people know they just you know they know that you're going to eat what you want to eat and that's it right most people just grab the things that they want and and leave everything else you know that's a very normal thing and so you're just grabbing the meat like most people don't even notice you know I've always just gravitated towards the meat anyway so no one was batting an eye when it was the only thing was meat because that was usually the only thing on my plate and I was just always just getting a whole bunch of meat maybe a couple other things you know now it's and so it didn't it didn't change anything when I when I wasn't thinking about it you know when I was first in my 20s I not a single person said anything to me in five years and wow I didn't even think about it you know I never said anything I never telegraphed it it was just like I ordered what I wanted I ate what I wanted from that order and I never said anything and no said anything to me as a result and then later when I'm doing this and now I'm like self-conscious now I'm like doing a diet whereas before I was like I need any goddamn plants I'll tell you that and so I just like pick out things that I want and that was it and um and then and then yeah then I'm I'm thinking about I'm self-conscious about I felt I had to explain I had to say something when everyone like started because like if you think something's off everyone else thinks something's off and so then like oh okay well what's going on here if you're don't making a big a thing out of it nobody like nobody else is going to make a big thing out of it yeah and I also wouldn't be here if I cared what other people are thinking so there's that too yeah yeah and so do that does that work so in your Social Circles in Social settings you know going out and going to bars do you still drink at all or not really I'm sometimes drinking like occasionally um I noticed that I can't drink a lot more when I car like I never really drank any like a lot anyways or I didn't really enjoy drinking a lot um but going carnivore I noticed that like after three zps for example I'm completely drunk but it just depending on the day um I I am also worse on the next day it messes up with my digestion as well and I feel worse than before like before I never was like before I was carnivore yeah so it's just the thing that your um tolerance is probably in general lower to any toxins there are also some foods that I can't um eat anymore like cream cheese or um MUSC caroni um yeah something like that I'm also helping like I can't digest that now either um yeah and so friends they were asking questions I mean a lot of them still think probably that I'm like malnourished especially my grandparents yeah they are like um like don't you want a star don't you want cake um but in the end they are also like sorry you have a cake deficiency I think you're malnourish you need cake yes yeah once you when when you if I just ate ice cream all day long and all week long nobody would like make any any comment but once you're uh start eating meat everybody is suddenly a doctor and tell you what that you're malnourished like what do you mean yeah yeah and especially do like oh my God you're gonna kill yourself this is probably a doctor that's that's overweight and out of shape telling you that you're living an unhealthy life yes oh my God that's that's so sad to see um I think you also posted that when um being in um hospital they are like or in cancer hospital something like that then they are having like sweets everywhere and that's just so sad because I also um watch a lot of YouTube videos or about how carnivore helped cancer patients and I think this is this is crazy like um um cancer cells can't um um or they need they can't live on ketones and they need gluc glucose or something it's yeah yeah how is nobody talking about that that's so sad well it's funny because you know we've known about this for a hundred years and we this in medical school that cancer cells suck up a lot of glucose and that's why we put radiol labeled glucose in into your an injection and then do a CT we see where all that glucose goes and goes right into the cancer wherever that is and depending you know mean some things AR aren't as all as metabolically active you know so but uh quite often you find you'll find hot spots you know if there is a hot spot that means the metabolic rate is much higher so the metabolic rate will be higher but also the demand in general will be higher because it's dysfunctional mitochondria mean that it needs a lot more glucose to just run normally and it's um you know and that's something it's called the warberg effect I mean we've known that for actually a hundred years now pretty much and so it's um but it's just something that has just been papered over by other people that were sort of detractors of of warberg and uh and tried to say that that he was wrong and it wasn't you know mitochondria don't actually get damaged and things like that we look you have electron microscopes and they're very damaged and uh and sort of destroyed so they like gutted like if you look on the inside should have all these membranes the internal membranes ofria just going up and down it's called chiste and in in a lot of cancers they're just gutted they're just they're just not there you know so how how that you know have that action that function if if that entire organel is is gutted and and almost not even there it's not functional so you know that doesn't that doesn't make any sense but you know we know this you know and even even if you don't believe warberg we still know the warberg effect is a thing you didn't get that one wrong you know so yes cancer cells require 400 times the amount of glucose um you know essentially and as normal cells so giving them a bunch of carbs and sugar is just insane to me and I have spoken to so many patients that have said you know their oncologist has told them directly and they've asked they say hey is there a special diet do I need to be eating something no no di you eat whatever you want cake ice cream candy drink alcohol whatever you want to do that blows my mind you know that you'd say that you you you tell someone that they can like drink and do all sort I mean I I get it from one perspective of like hey look just enjoy your life you know go to Amsterdam Light District just go to town you know exactly um if you if you were trying to save this person and that that person is trying to save themselves and I mean why would you go through chemo and radiation if if you weren't trying to live longer or survive then then you should really be focusing on optimizing their health I mean even if this doesn't have a direct effect on on cancer survival or or just cancer physiology you being healthier you're going to be able to weather the chemone radiation better you're going to you have you'll just the odds are you'll have a better chance of survival because you're just going to be healthier overall and a lot of time chemo just damages people so much that they just they die from the chemo and they they don't survive treatment so it's um it's very strange to me that they would say that and I really hate seeing that at the hospital where it's just like there's almost no meat anywhere it's just sugary carbs I mean it's just like you know it's just like a Froot Loops commercial you know up you know it's just so much sugar crap and then and then they give them packets of sugar to add to their sugary cereal and to their coffee and tea and things like that I mean it'sing it is just appalling when you're saying it reminds you of an ad um I remember this graphic that showed that um I don't know what government said that but uh there was fruit loops on number one or much higher healthier than than EG EG was like unhealthy and then like some sweets were on top I was like is this a meme is this Ser are they serious is are any people looking at this and being like yeah legit I mean EGS are um I don't know bad makes sense so yeah so there was um so that that was from the tough um nutritional recommendations and um uh so so someone put that together said look if you if you go by the tough's recommendations this is what's going to come out to be like these things are going to be in green and like with a higher rating like watermelon a rating of 100 that's like the best thing ever there's like no fault in watermelon apparently that's just that's just the perfect food for human beings and water and then um and then there's like Frosted Flakes was actually ranked higher than Corn Flakes so the sugar made did better apparently Mak sense and and then yeah so that was all in the green eat as much of this as you want and um and then down in the yellow was like o you know maybe space it out and then the red was just like don't eat ever or hardly ever really limit and that's where like ground beef and eggs were and um and so you know one one person I've seen people critique this saying that well you know that you can't compare the different categories right so this was like in the carb category or the fruit category or the serial category whatever you know these were greens these were yellow these were Reds and then in these other categories these were green yellow and red but what you can compare is green yellow and red because these were the recommendations the green was eat as much as you want yellow was eat in moderation red was don't eat at all or eat barely ever so whether that was in the meat category and this is the worst of the meat it still said eat barely ever you know and uh and for you know Lucky Charms and show yeah Lucky Charms was that was eat as much as you want great you know and and the thing is too is that people say well that those aren't actual serious guidelines when you do that not true that they actually sent out Graphics like that to all of us in in the um healthcare service here in Australia um and it was probably one one general you know work emails I've ever looked at you just get you just Slamm like 30 emails a day it's just garbage uh from these General spam emails from everybody uh from the you know the systemwide sort of things and so this was like one of the only ones I ever looked at and I spent the next like two hours freaking out like writing emails like Angry like everybody and I can't imagine that so well had that out and that actually had it out it said like you know all this stuff bang down and it had Frosted that's where it was the where I saw they said Frosted Flakes were above Corn Flakes I'm like what or and like and like Honey Nut Cheerios were above normal Cheerios like so the sugar is better that's what that's what you're saying you know more points and then your meat and eggs were in the red and I was just ious so there's nothing in the green that was meat based you know um that I remember and maybe was some yellow stuff like some dairy or something like that but there was red was where the the meat was and so I ended up emailing the hospital and just saying hey look this is you I'm I'm sure no one cares but you know I've I've done a lot of research into this wow and you know spent you know 20 years researching this so you know this is something I actually know about and I would I would just point you to these sorts of things and I had like certain critiques you know certainly of the sugar and like look at these these research articles and all these sorts of things and and I said you know I'm happy to discuss this and and you work on on something different that I think would be better for our patients and staff um you know please give me a call and um you know I got an email from whoever had received it and saying okay yeah you know ordering this on to you know people in charge whatever never heard a thing you know never of course not of course yeah no definitely not and U they don't care you know this is like this is guidelines we don't care what you think about it you know just do it do what you're told and um you know or or just they don't care it's a guidelines they don't care if you follow them or not their job is done they're not they're not picking up the phone you know so it's a bit s that um that people are as you know Blas about that you know that people don't because they don't realize you know I watch around the hospital and I see I see people eating this stuff and I'm looking at it like that's why you're here you know and that what we're feeding you is what is causing you that's what's making you sick it's it's true people know that they know that but they just can't stop because it's like sugar addiction or whatever they are saying that this is the only happiness that they are getting for or the comfort that they are getting from food and it's just not the not the best thing you know you would you're feeling miserable then you're turning to food which makes you even more miserable and you can't change that because it's the only thing that gives you some somewhat of comfort yeah yeah and that's and that's a vicious cycle to get into and you need to get out of it and and that's and that's pretty sad too you know if that's if that's what gives your life Joy is just eating it means you know it's it's not really it's not going very well out you know outside of that and that could be and that is the case for some people but the thing is is that when you do start fixing your diet your mental health is helped as well and then you start being interested in things and going out and doing things and meeting people and socializing and and taking on activities and things like that and that can actually really help give you Joy and then you have joy outside of food I think that's sort of like the backup you know they don't have anything so this is the thing that they can do because they don't have other things so like okay well you get better you get healthy and then you have have those other things and then you don't need the food to feel happy but they are just not willing to commit to changing the diet because this is like this shortterm satisfaction that you're getting from food and you can't see that you're only seeing that you don't eat the sweets that you would like to eat but you can't see that when you continue doing that for a month maybe you feel much better but that's like oh yeah requires a lot of discipline yeah well it does but the thing is though too is that you know before they're told the alternative is is eating like you know brussel sprouts you know and I said it before but no one likes brussel sprouts and so you know they're saying this just like don't eat this food that tastes good and you enjoy and makes you feel good eat this crap that tastes like you know dog's water it's bitter and miserable makes you feel like crap and you hate it and uh and then you you you'll feel better and they do that they do that for six months and they're miserable and they hate it and so they're like well screw that you know I don't want to do that whereas you know a lot of people actually do want to get better it's just that they've been told to eat the wrong thing and uh and and that's the really nice thing about carnivore as well is that if you can convince people of this and talk to them and show them that hey this is different you know um but a lot of times you're very excited to give it a try and and that's why you know we're we're having this conversation there's more and more people are getting on it and getting interested in it and which is really good and you know I have seen a lot of people in very bad situations lose ton of weight and and and get a lot of their health back and so it's it's really good to see that because you know a lot of these people you know they are it is said that like well it's just discipline well you know some you know for some people it is some people it's there's massive hormonal issues and psychological issues and and other sorts of things that it's actually it's more difficult and um especially when you sort of get past that point where sort of like a point of no return where you're very overweight and very sick you know it's it's very difficult but even then you know a lot of these people have tried so many different diets and they just don't work and don't work and don't work and they get very discouraged and they get told it's just calories and calories out all you got to do is just not eat enough and you know you'll be fine and and it doesn't work and um and then they get very discouraged because they're told that they're a liar or you know just not trying hard enough you know I've seen I've seen doctors that do sort of weight loss stuff it's a traditional you know I mean it's like you don't even need a doctor for this he's just telling you just like yeah don't e so much and and work out sometimes it's it's like thanks Doc you do I write a check or like what you know what do you for that and um and uh and you know I've seen like memes on on these guys Pages where it's just like do patient's like hey you know doc I've I've cut calories i' I've increased exercise I'm eating less calories I'm taking in like but I just can't seem to lose weight and then there's like the doctor sitting there smiling just going you're lying you know it's just like you're an you know because like you know that that happens all the time you know but these people just don't understand that that that's the thing they just they just they think this is the only way the Body Works and hormones don't exist and and um you know you just eat less than your you you work out more than the energy you eat and you'll just you'll just lose weight I'm sorry that just doesn't happen all the time it can happen but you know why is it that when I started eating 4,000 5,000 calories a day from about 1,500 calories a day eating a buttload of vegetables and just lean meat I lost 23 pounds in 10 days eating more right and I was like working out all the time so I was like putting on muscle too right so why is that you know if I'm eating 3,000 more calories a day that I'm losing weight dramatically and I'm just shredding fat my mom also started losing like 10 kilos or something when she did but but we like I was uh helping her she tracked her food uh but she was also like starting eating more meat and eggs and I like it somehow convinced her to try it a bit in that direction and yeah she lost weight she's like every few days she's telling me like yeah look and she's excited and that's great I love to see that and that I could help her um yeah oh good so how long she been doing it now um was that like a few months maybe ago oh good yeah so she's into it yeah yeah but I mean she just she did it to lose weight and I was like hey let let me help you um and then yeah um we decided how much calorie deficit she should go on and what she's eating and yeah so that worked pretty well and it's just good to see how happy people can get once they manage that because I know how hard it is to you will always worry about food and your body and everything and it's just good when once you fix it it's like it's fixed you know it's um you know what it takes to maybe lose weight to change your body the way that you want it to change and that's just a calming thought because you don't have to worry because you can control whatever you like you can control that I don't know yeah yeah well you can and that and that's the nice thing is that people do get their control back I mean we're in the era of being told that obesity is is genetic and there's nothing you can do about it and you have to just take these medications I just have them right here and youpic and people just rushing after it even though they've been told when it came out that in two years even if you continue taking it you'll regain more weight than you lost what what are people doing um they're just they're setting themselves up for disaster but you know you being told that I it's genetic I mean that's just so silly 80 you know they say 80% of of obese parents have obese kids it's like okay that's because the obese parents are feeding the kids what they're eating right I mean that's hard you don't need to go to school for that you know this is pretty sad I'm laughing because it reminds me of a meme that I saw um it says um diabetes runs in my family and the other person's saying nobody runs in your family like yeah nobody runs in your yeah that's because no family yeah I mean that's exaggeration but yeah you're you are like you are raised maybe well that's it and and type 2 diabetes seems to follow um in families more than type 1 diabetes but of course that's going to be patterns of behavior as well right and so you know if you have a parent with type two diabetes you're more likely to get that than if you had a parent with type one diabetes say but of course this is because type two diabetes comes from eating and drinking the wrong things and the fact that you know obesity rate was you know a sixth of what it is now you know 50 years ago is tells you this is not genetic you know because we have the same genes 50 years ago you know two generations I mean it's nothing um wasn't yeah was that graph also at the time um when they started saying that sugar is and no that fat is responsible for all like that fat is um worse and sugar is really okay and then suddenly the statistics showed that diabetes went up like a lot yeah dramatically increased by it was like 5.8 fold from like the late 70s 1980 to like I think 200 17 or something like that time I look so yeah I mean slammed up so by a factor of six and so that that's um that's not genetic and you know all the and and people oh well we just weren't we just weren't noticing it we didn't know about it like no I'm sorry you can't just you know blame you know people being idiots uh 50 years ago 40 years ago 30 years ago and that's the thing too we we said that ah we probably just weren't noticing it which just goes against everything because we took such close statistics and look looks at things and um I mean you die from diabetes I mean this causes serious serious harm and uh so of course you'd be able to diagnose it um and then it started rising in the 990s the I probably was always there and you were seeing kids with it that was called adult onset diabetes back then it was called Ju Juvenile and adult diabetes and then a bunch of kids started getting adult diabetes and they were like well how can this possibly be and so they just instead of thinking about it for even a second they just renamed it type two diabetes probably was happening all the time we just didn't know I mean that's I mean that there's I mean there's the reason why you we make saying about you know making assumptions like you don't don't make assumptions because you make an ass out of me and you it's just like you just it's stupid you know don't assume things especially when it when you're talking about the health of billions of people and then but let's say you just didn't notice it in the 990s we started paying attention Okay well we got to pay attention to this now in the 2000s it went up in 2010s it went up it's still going up so is that because we were just stupid not paying attention in the 2010s or the 2000s or the 1990s doesn't make any sense I mean eventually you you stretch this out long enough you realize that no this is this is getting worse and obviously it's getting worse because we're doing something to our environment hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want a nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys I I thought it was it was actually pretty cool one of the things you said uh when we were um talking online that you don't really go to grocery stores really do you no I I usually go to grocery stores to buy water um yeah the meat I'm getting is usually deer or cow but I'm getting that from Farmers or local Hunters um yeah I just don't really like hunting cows just like no probably not sporting no just come up to what's what do you mean two different supplies I have like a hunter and then like a farmer that I can buy cow from or like meat um yeah that's I just don't like really the thought of buying meat in a grocery store when I don't know where it's from where I don't know what medications they got if they got any vaccines how they lived um if they were stressed and everything like that I just don't want any of that in my body really so I decided to go or find Alternatives um and yeah that's how I got to my Hunter and yeah I can just uh suggest that to everybody that um you find like local farmers you can ask anybody that has any animals like even chickens or something you can ask them and that it's a network they probably know loads of people that have animals as well and then you can just call each and everybody that you're having and you're asking about how the people living how the animals are living how um they are treating them what medications they are getting what vaccines and what price and then you can decide uh if you like to buy meat not from the grocery stores anymore yeah the hunting idea is is pretty cool I I know in America you're not allowed to sell Wild game and so like like if you hunted and you took down a deer you wouldn't be able you could give it away to someone but you wouldn't be able to sell it um because it doesn't go through USDA checks and you know for parasites and contamination and things like that so or it's the same with us but uh only for wild pigs oh okay you have to have them checked for parasites as well um but deer is not um does not need to be checked I think um but yeah but this checking is not such a big deal I think you're just sending something out with the with the mail and then you're getting a result back so it's not a not something that's not possible no that's very easy well that's good that you can you can actually do that yeah because you know it's you can't really get moose without hunting it and so like unless someone who hunts moose and like they gives it to you or she gives it to you like it's um you can't get it like you can't really get it at a at a restaurant really um I guess you can moose but you know you don't know what they're what they're eating but um yeah that I always thought that was a shame because there's so much so much W game it's just amazing but like you have you have to hunt it yourself you know or else have that's G to give it to you so that's great you I I was also thinking about starting hunting but I think that's that's probably not going to be my favorite hobby it takes a lot of time and effort to even get the license and everything um but yeah I think it's it's a great thing that you if you could Supply yourself like that yeah definitely well it's also a good skill to have you know because then least you at least know that you know if if if some if it came down to it you could you know you could get food and you could feed yourself family I know exactly what you're meaning is yeah yeah that's why I think that um that's yeah well it's just a good skill to have and also just understanding where you meet's coming from you know it's uh you should know where it's coming from we used to do used to do that we used people used to keep an animals and they would you know they would you know keep and kill and slaughter their own animals and go dress them and cut them up and like that's what the food was you know and so you know people understood that now we've been so separated from it that it's um just this appalling idea it's like no that's just that's just the world and the world isn't nice the world isn't a fantasy land it's like it's the world and that's the world we live in yes I also think that you have to be aware of the fact that like something maybe has to die for you to live and just try to live a purposeful life because you can't no matter what diet you have change that fact um I also um visited um like somebody that has animals and I was there um how they slaughtered their Goose so just to see that just to know what's happening like you can't just um be blind to the fact that animals are dying with this Di it but yeah you have to be aware of that well that was something in um Marcus's meditations where he said when he's talking about dying and this was this was a natural thing and you shouldn't be he was one of the stoics and um he said that you know you shouldn't you know death is natural everything lives and they're born they live they die so this is just a part of nature it's just something natural you shouldn't be afraid of of anything natural you know if you just it's just part of Nature and so if you're afraid of something natural you know you're a child you know so you shouldn't be afraid of death because it's just it's just something natural and that's sort of how I feel about about you know eating meat I mean this is just this is just nature and this is just a world and the sad truth is is that something does have to die for us to live something has to die for all animals to live whether it's plants or animals and so that's just that is the world and you know maybe we can change that down the road but right now that's the world we live in and so just going against that saying no absolutely not you're not allowed to do that I I I do think that's quite quite childish uh because if you want to make that choice for yourself that's that's perfectly legitimate but you pushing that on other people you're hurting people and so people getting Alzheimer's they're getting Strokes they getting dementia they're getting cancer they're getting Al autoimmune diseases and and and neurodegenerative diseases they're getting all these things that they that shouldn't happen you know people are dying in their 30s from multiple sclerosis because they react so strong plant toxins and also the children yeah ands or something like that I heard kids aren't developing properly kids are getting diseases that they may not ever get if they ate a proper diet you know people are aging and suffering for decades and then until they they just fall apart and crumble they're they're just walking and their hips are breaking and you know the bones what what what elephant has ever broken a hip walking through the sing interesting never you know you're right like no it's just not a thing but you know so we're doing something and we're we're degrading our bodies and our health and our mind until we die 50 years early and we've suffered for the 50 years before that and we' just been trying to hold on to some health and just instead of just living our life raising our kids you know taking care of our family and enjoying our life just constantly thinking about being sick and being tired and taking medicine and you know we're just it's that's not a life that's not living and then the only thing we have you know to entertain ourselves because we're so sick it's just food it's just well this is the only thing I have and you know that that's really sad and so you're you're putting that on someone else you know you want to do that for your life that's your decision but you don't get to do that to other people you don't get to take away 50 years of their life you don't get to you know rob their children of their health and their proper development and developing to their proper IQ and proper height and stature and being able to um you know to to achieve the things that they want to I mean I think that's just I think it's uh I think it's very you know foolish and um and if you try to force that on people I think it's evil I understand what you're meaning interesting so so there are a lot of people your age they may look at this and may want you know want to try this but they're very very scared about you know their friends and social settings and things like that you know what what do you what do you say to people you know your age in your circles that are thinking about trying this but they're concerned about about what other people are going to think lovely question so first if you if you are concerned how your friends going to react no no friend of you that's really your friend would ever um discourage you in doing what you really want to do what you thought about doing you knew the health benefits you are educated on that topic I hope you are so then when you're going to your friend and telling them yeah I decided to go carnivore they should never uh discourage you in doing that I mean they could they probably will ask questions and you have to answer them um but yeah don't be afraid to go carnivore um Don't Be Afraid what other people are thinking nobody really cares um they will get used to it definitely and like after everybody knows that like after five minutes the discussion is usually over so that's just it um it's your life and if you decide to go carnivore you can do that yeah yeah and so how are your friends reacting to all this it's totally depending like usually they are um like asking questions um especially like what am I eating how am I doing that why am I doing that um why do I think that this is healthy yeah definitely um of course that's like of course the number four number one reaction that was my reaction as well when I discovered that diet um but of course they are all accepting how I'm eating obviously because I don't Hind anybody eating um whatever they want a lot of my friends are vegetarians as well by the way so it's just we are eating different things and that's fine I also got a lot of respect for what I'm doing because some were also saying like wow I also wanted to be more healthy and I um also should try eating less su Sugar like um it's so good that you're doing that um I also want to improve my eating habits um yeah so that's overall the few I mean still there are people they are um regularly telling me that I'm malnourished and I'm how long I'm going to do this and um yeah if I don't want to eat cake for example yeah so funny like like how is not eating cake the you know the unhealthy option what are you doing you have to eat cake like you're you're what what what what the problem there you know most of the time people say like don't eat meat because you're going to get fat and now you're saying you need to eat you need to eat cake or else you're going to get too thin like what's the argument there on on not eating cake it's just because it's abnormal and people are not used to uh thinking about what they're eating probably like that and because it's abnormal they um just think that it's not recommended and it's also not recommended officially so maybe that's as well if you're yeah well um youve seen we've seen how the official recommendations have gone you know so um yeah I think you're probably on on pretty good ground when you don't go by the official recommendations for a lot of things um some 100% Jesus some of these things and um that's great so has have any of your friends been been swayed by your by your arguments um you mean persuaded to try the same yeah um um H let's see um there was an exchange partner she was also selling like wow I thought like the same as I did um I thought vegetarian was the way to go I thought this is the most sest thing you never knew about I never knew about like the option to only eat meat and I love eating meat I should uh I love eating meat like this is amazing to think about only eating meat but on the other hand she said like well she's not educated enough she doesn't know really if it's the best thing so she just wants to stick to eating everything which everybody thinks is the best thing to do um yeah yeah get a balance get a balance with the with the food yeah sorry say they want a balance you want a good B you got have balance of everything balance of you know poison and a balance of food good balance you know MH yeah that's exactly it's I mean it's a big step it takes a lot of courage I think to go carnivore uh it requires a lot of disciplines I mean there are a lot of occasions that you could eat different other things always uh and you just have to say no to that um yeah it's also um when traveling for example with friends it's just that they are cooking separately than I do for example so it's it's I mean it is a bit of a thing to eat different but it's also worth it for me at least and I can't imagine going back so um no yeah yeah well I I can't either and I mean have no interest in it and everyone says well you must have a lot of willpower no not really yes any any willpower to do exactly what you want to do you the opposite you know I have no interest in eating any of that stuff because it doesn't make me feel good I don't feel it's so interesting yeah exactly when when I see people like eating bread I mean sometimes I get like what what means Cravings like I'm seeing something and i' be like I wish I could eat that as well but usually when I'm eating bread when I'm seeing bread I'm like how are you eating that this is this is what are you eating like I can't imagine that it's it's crazy and I think that's how probably vegetarians are always thinking when they're looking at meat this is like this kind of disgust and I have that towards vegetables and especially bread or something like that it's like how can you eat that it's must taste like nothing and everything yeah yeah that's certainly what I think yeah I don't even look at it as food anymore just just do register yeah I agree great well well thank you so much that was that was really great um to have you on I really appreciate you taking time um do you have um can you tell us where where we can find you people can follow you and if you have any any final words yeah um I most active on Instagram I have a podcast as well and a YouTube started and I'm on Tik Tok as well so if you like you can contact me on Instagram I'm like curious to see what people are doing carore as well and if you saw my podcast um and like this podcast and I'm also yeah excited for that as well awesome thank you so much for having me oh you're very welcome we'll put links to uh your Instagram and your um podcast and YouTube as well and uh yeah people can go and and find you more there so Ana thank you so much it's been a pleasure yeah me too thank you so much all right thank you everybody uh for joining hopefully you like that if you've been thinking about starting a corn board diet as well you can find my uh beginners guide on getting started on a corner board diet playlist and in that has a lot of different videos on how to get at it and how to do it and also why to do it what's uh what's behind it that actually makes it make sense and uh if you want just a just a very basic line look at getting on a cornard diet just cornard for beginners on my YouTube channel thanks everyone we see you next time