Controlling Type 1 Diabetes with Diet! | Tomer Pappe

welcome to the plant free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chafee where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone this is Dr Anthony Chaffey I'm here with another episode of the plant free MD and today I have a very special guest who had me on his podcast which was uh I had a great time there's a friend Tomer all the way from Israel how are you today good good how are you they're doing very very well so good morning yeah good morning yeah good afternoon me um so for for people who haven't come across you can you tell us a little about a bit about yourself and what you do yeah so my story is my life story led me to what I'm doing so it's a I'm soon um I'm going to become a clinical nutritionist and um I got I'm Type 1 diabetic for 20 years now 20 20 plus like 21 years and and I had one moment like seven years ago that I got to a really low point that I had a ketoacidosis and until it's like my life they're divided for two until this moment that I had a kitten after and then only after that I I started to to realize that uh this amazing power that food has on everything that I do and the more I dived into I got to the point that I just realized that carbs are my PR the problems in my they make all the problems in in this disease and the more I dived in I I got to in the beginning I got to Dr Richard K Berenstein I'm sure you heard of and he was like the first footprint in my journey that led me to all of this local world and ever since it was like seven years ago ever since I never stopped developing and researching and every day I make it better and I I can say like quite surely that I know how to control my blood sugar today and it's I got to the point that it's very predictable and that's what gave me the power over this decision as you you can say also the the winning because uh I I won against this disease when I managed to predict it and then then it got really easy and today uh I soon I will become a clinical nutritionist and I pass forward everything that I learned everything that I've been to I have a accompanying a type 1 diabetics many young people but also elderly and some type 2 has also got to my everyday walk as naturally and that's it I just I do I I walk the walk and I talk to the talk also yeah well that's good and so um what exactly is your diet now so today it's it's mostly like five years now it's mostly meat and a red meat and I had some uh I had some experiments with myself I had the times that I I went more like uh meat and organs I tried I tried like I think I tried everything and uh eventually today I got to the point that red meat is really the base of my diet yeah I add some when I don't have I I personally don't have reactions to if high fat milk products so for me that's fine also and but that's only like the addings you know the the main part is the red meat of course and organs I take like as a supplement it's just it's my supplement so it's like a every other month or something like that but I'm not really concerned about that yeah basically red meat some vegetables I can eat when I tolerate when I cook them but it's not it's also like maybe once in two months yeah yeah and just for pleasure somehow you you like the vegetables yeah I don't really like them to be honest it's more like I I tolerate them and it's like you know family events and some stuff like events like that so you get to that point that you put it on your plate but it's not anything that I need no so it's not it's not like you out of your way for the vegetables it's just a bit if it comes up you're like all right well maybe I'll have a bit yeah not not from my side yeah no that's totally hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're 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and then yeah that is correct but insulin is not it's not a medication it's a hormone that I take from another source that you and me talk right now in your body your pancreas is producing it and releasing it to the blood so I take it from another source but it's not like a biological medication so yeah so I just got to a very low physiological dose ever since I got to the low carbon really Dr Benson was the one that the book is behind me and it's like he's the one that got me into this world and it was amazing for me that there is like just a method and it's a practice that you can if you know it so you can control the ability and it's something that before that I always been told that I'm gonna suffer from complications it's gonna it's like it was like a known fact like I went all of my life with this feeling and also the everyday feeling that just I was more tired and also yeah ever since that moment I just my blood glucose got normalized completely like to low levels of non-diabetic and just I I have fun with it like I I tried a lot of stuff since then but in the low carb limits so nothing I since that moment I never got higher higher in my blood glucose nice yeah that's something that I've noticed in people with type 1 and type two as well if they're insulin dependent is that your your need for insulin just goes to a very minimal level and you just have background dose uh you know low level of the long-acting insulin and that seems to be enough and and you don't need to take the short acting insulin before every meal and before every you know drink or anything like that because you know yeah you don't have to play this balancing act with your blood sugar and your insulin levels yeah but you do have to take the the fast you do have to dose your meals but it's becoming simpler it's not there is no like a freebies in diabetes that's what I understood that it's everything that you eat will will have an effect on your blood glucose when you eat a big steak as a non-diabetic person so your body will will produce some insulin for that and will release some insulin in order to cover the the high amount of protein so I see it in my blood glucose but the big difference is when I do it a big steak so it's really slow and it's again it's predictable because it's low and it's not the high process the carbohydrates that you hit and they you can hit to 200 or 300 and there's no way to con to control that rise like you can't you can't reach that rise when in with insulin you can't win in that battle and uh with a steak so and any protein also eggs or doesn't matter of chicken so it's a it's really easy it's like you can predict it you're you inject a really slow acting insulin and that's simple yeah yeah well it's it sounds much more convenient anyway and you're not having to have as many slip UPS because it is predictable you're not necessarily under dosing or overdosing with insulin which can be a serious problem people have slightly too much insulin they get hypoglycemic and they can you know become very uh hurt by that and it can be very very dangerous so just having that regularity and consistency and predictability of your blood sugar uh is much must be much more uh safe and convenient absolutely absolutely and when you have too much insulin in your blood and it's too fast acting so everything becoming unpredictable and then as you say if you go out for a walk after a meal that is high in carbohydrates you as a diabetic you almost 100 you will experience some hypoglycemia and it's and it's as they say it's a roller coaster that you can't really control yeah yeah sort of out of control and just you're just trying to stay you know behind it as best as you can so yeah and and then especially for for type 2 diabetes as well as I mean type 1 diabetes there are some animal studies looking at you know a fasting mimicking diet or fasting certain periods of the day or a certain times of the month and having showing that they can actually regrow some of the beta islet cells in these these rats and things like that which is interesting uh they've just sort of try started that with with human trials but you know and you know with the amount of people that I've seen that do ketogenic diet or carnivore diet and do fast and go back and forth with type one I haven't really seen that I've really seen them be able to recover that so it uh but it might be interesting if they could find a protocol that could stimulate those those stem cells to regrow that but but either way even if they don't it it certainly makes it a lot easier to to manage anyway yeah it's it's definitely definitely a solution but it's not like it's not a medicine it's not like a cure it's a solution but then you know there is always the paleo medicine it's the guys they're from Hungary and they have this um the protocol that they took a type 1 diabetic and they put him on a low carb really next to the to the burst of the of the type one of his type one diabetes and he got a is in is a better sales got back to work because probably they they caught it like really next to the to the attack yeah so there you can you can save the situation if you're on the so-called honeymoon like of the type 1 diabetics that it's uh still the pancreas is still under attack and it's still producing some insulin yeah yeah well that makes that makes sense too there might be more to recover at that point and so yeah it is interesting with type 1 diabetes there's like um there was one study that showed that like mothers that ate more uh gluten during pregnancy their kids were twice as likely to have type 1 diabetes later on so there's so there's there's a lot of weird interactions here and uh and and a lot of these you know plant antigens seem to have a lot more effect on us than we realize people just don't don't respect these things nearly enough and there's I mean we're causing knock-on effects Generations away so it's not um it's not as cut and dry as as people think and there's a lot of subtle and hidden risks and these sorts of things but you know um the good news is that people are starting to figure that out which is good yeah but I believe there is a lot it's not like anything that um I can show you in status but I I believe now after 21 years that there is a connection to to the mother uh like the infancy the time of infancy and I I think that there is a there is a relation between um the you know the artificial um breast milk that's that mother used today more and more info and to autoimmune diseases of any kind and I think type 1 is a big one but uh a lot of other autoimmune diseases today they say autoimmune but almost every disease can be autoimmune it's like the body uh it's a failure of the immune system in some way so I think there is a stronger connection there I would imagine so yeah because a lot of these things are are linked to to food as well and um you know especially with with what the mother eats so and and and what is the infant is fed so there was there was a study that looked at um breastfed versus bottle fed kids and the kids that were bottle fed had much higher rates of autism than the breastfed kids and so okay well some people will you know uh sort of Express milk and and store it and feed their kids in a bottle if they're you know working or whatever um that's perfectly normal they didn't distinguish between that and formula fed but you know the majority of people who do bottle feed are bottle feeding with formula and I would expect there's a serious difference there but obviously you know I don't think the bottle is necessarily causing much of an effect unless you've got these uh you know different Plastics that are going in there and causing causing problems in the kids which is possible but the different I think the main difference would be breastfed versus uh formula and that formula is going to have a lot more sugar they put in a lot of you know high fructose corn syrup you know because it it tastes good the kid gets addicted to it and they want more and more and more and they drink more of that product just like Coca-Cola or something yeah exactly yeah and so there's always carbs and sugar and stuff that would not exist in mother's milk and it has hopefully the right nutrients as well but you know there's something different there it's not signal and it's you do see this difference in the development of those kids as a result of that absolutely we talked about it also on my podcast that you know Western April I see he went to research all of that and he made like a real life research and and it's true that the the tribes and everywhere in the world like the the healthiest people on this planet they cherish the time of infancy and pregnancy and that's obvious like it's it's kind of for me it sounds weird now that we are not doing it in the west we we let the models go walk like while they are pregnant in in some places and you know them yeah it's it's true that in infancy I'm I will ask a forgiveness for my mother but I think in my story there is a relation to that synthetic artificial breast milk and and I I would say that also it's like as you said autism a lot and it has to do with vitamin D deficiency and it's hard to say what what was what what was before what came before like the but I think it's the infancy starting and then there is like maybe a lack of vitamin D and then when you have a lack of vitamin D so you're almost susceptible to a lot of things and so on and so on it's yeah yeah I think well I think there's a lot of things going on there you know and and it's it's going to be difficult to unravel all the exact processes which will be an interesting job for someone else because I'm not entirely interested but um uh you know I think that but the main take home is you eat something that you're not designed to eat and you get things that that don't go to plan you know you have your designs your blueprints that's fine but if you just start ad living you're not going to get the same structure at the end of the at the end of the story so it's something that that we need to pay a lot more attention to and regardless of the of the interactions and the mechanisms it is happening and you know it's easy for people to do because viewing it so caught up in in the minutiae and you can you can argue both ways very cogently uh so people say okay well what am I supposed to believe well if you go to First principles you go to the base of the pyramid you just say okay what are we you know what kind of animal are we what is our natural diet what were we eating 50 000 years ago we're eating 200 000 years ago and Beyond and you look at that which we have actually quite good evidence for that we were just predominantly eating meat when we were able to that you know that's that's what we should be eating and that's what was going to give us Optimal Health because we're bringing our body what we are designed to get and we're not giving it a bunch of things we're not designed to get and we don't have the the capabilities to unravel and so regardless of what those things do to us they're doing something and so you just have to go to that that base of the pyramid and say okay what am I supposed to be doing I'll just let my body get on with it after that yeah yeah absolutely you're absolutely right and then there is this question what what toxins we add to that evolution in the past 100 200 years and maybe even since the Agricultural Revolution like uh 10 000 years and we know that that it's a we added stuff that we don't need like there as they say anti-antine nutrients and we and we don't eat the good nutrients so that's a that's a recipe for a disaster and I think that when you add to that this delicate you know delicate process of infancy and a boy in the like a baby in the beginning in the first days of his life so of course that is the most he's the most vulnerable that it will ever be that's obvious and when you give when you give this child I know that in my country I'm sure that in the US and in Australia it's the same the artificial breast milk they're full of they're full of seed oils you know they they follow full of everything that you you wouldn't imagine that a baby needs in anyone yeah well I mean and that's the thing you know it's it's been saying to me you know they're saying that that we can we can decide what's better for an infant than Mother's Milk how are you gonna do that you know that that's that's that is perfectly designed and adapted for that baby and maybe the mother's diet can certainly affect that and um you know and when we see that we see you know uh there's been a number of stories in recent years of of vegan mothers breastfeeding their child and kids dying of malnutrition because it's just they're just not getting the right nutrients because Mom doesn't have the right nutrients available and and God knows what else maybe there's other things that are sort of causing problems in that as well but it's it's tragic you know someone who's breastfeeding their child and and the child dies you know because they're not able to provide the nutrients that they need but if the mother's eating what they're supposed to eat that that breast milk should be perfect and so for them to decide well we know saturated fat and cholesterol are bad therefore we're going to substitute that with polyunsaturated fats from these seed oils that did not exist even 100 years ago certainly didn't exist 50 000 years ago so how can they be what we're designed to eat they didn't exist when we were designed so that can't be can't be the case and they're they're substituting those in and they're taking out other sources of nutrients and calories and they say oh we'll replace this with sugar because it's just an empty calorie it just doesn't doesn't matter it's just it's just free calories no that's not the case uh they could actually cause harm so uh that's that's that's a bit ridiculous for them to suggest that that they can design something that's better than healthy healthy breast milk that's that's insane Master Masterpiece it's like there is anything that the baby needs like in in high amounts anything you need to develop an immune system and to build the tissues and all it's like it's really a masterpiece and when you decide to give up on that and to to give anti-nutrients to that delicates uh process of life that absolutely insane of course yeah and you know you think about you know saying that saturated fat cholesterol are bad for you and yet you look at every single nutrition source for baby animals right in in the egg like the yolk or in milk or mammals all of them contain high amounts of saturated fat and cholesterol yeah how does that work is this just like fat cholesterol cause heart disease cause cancer cause diabetes so why aren't all animals all mammals all birds why aren't they just turning into you know bowls of cancer and heart disease as infants why why not you know I I that was that was in that documentary what the hell which is just an absolute disaster of a of a ball of Lies I was so angry watching this thing and yeah I remember that yeah one of them one of them was saying they're like oh my God people eat eggs there's all this cholesterol or fat like all these all these building blocks that you know to make a baby chicken you eat that it gets a closer I was like you you just said it you just said it these are the building of life these are things you need to form animal life and was you know oh it caused cancer and heart disease does it then why doesn't the chicken just grow up to be just a lump of tumor cells you know whether it be a healthy little chick right yeah so you know the the thought process is is quite lacking there you know because they're they're they're in their own sentence it's it's internally inconsistent you know they're in their own sentence they're disproving what they're what the point they're trying to make and if you look at you can look at breast milk all breast milk all mothers milk is very high in fat and cholesterol yeah you look at you know like whales and things like that it's only like 50 fat or something like that like if you like a really really high proportion is fat and you know oh well that's because they need to roll blubber and all that no they just need energy they're they're big animal they're growing very quickly and they need a lot of energy and they need a lot of nutrition so fat and cholesterol or nutrition that's what your body's made of that's what your body runs on you can turn that that's that's card currency you can turn that into other things you can turn that into uh blood sugar into glycogen in your muscles and your liver and in the key challenge which then develops your brain and your neurons and your your myelinates your your nerve cells so these are terribly important molecules and and nutrition sources and so so how can that be that this is so toxic to us if that's that's literally what all babies are provided with to to grow into healthy healthy examples of animals yeah I think that's a misunderstatement of a simple physiology you know that's um for they use like a a bit also terminology that they they said you know in the 50s you know like answer keys and everything they they told people fat will cause you to to build fat in your in your blood veins and then it's it's like people they it makes sense for them they say ah okay when I eat fat I get the fat inside my blood vein so it's like it's a it's kind of like a genius marketing uh strategy but but if you really understand physiology and you know you know that these people around the world you know like even in Georgia and these countries so they just they eat the animal because it's a intuitively you know they they don't have any degree in nutrition I went to study nutrition but for me sometimes it sounds weird that I need to have a degree in nutrition science in order to tell people what to eat because you think about these people like in the mountains of Georgia or in other places that they live long life like Okinawa in Japan you know so they don't they didn't study anything just the the grand ancestors let this um this idea that you need animals in order to survive because it's obvious because it's hero tissues it's like you don't even need to explain it it's just it's obvious yeah well and that's the thing you're trying to build and maintain animal tissue and so that an easy source of that is eating other animal tissue it's very hard to turn plant tissue into animal tissue there was um you know that that Golden Era bodybuilder uh kiranda he wrote books on Mission and what you should eat and how you should train and all these sorts of things and the guy had one of the best physiques ever right and you know before steroids really and he was saying that there was like a store like someone someone talked to him said okay well hey there's these new books out on nutrition these guys are saying you should eat this and she do this you know what do you think have you read them what do you think of their their whatever do you follow them whatever and he's just like you know I haven't read anything about nutrition that you know wasn't you know uh about people that lived that have been alive in the last 50 000 years right because like that's what I'm interested I'm interested in how we develop how we started you know that's our origin that's what we should be eating that's what we're supposed to be eating and so if we weren't eating at 50 000 years ago I don't want to know about it so I don't waste my time listening to anybody uh nutrition that's uh you know just coming up with new ideas now you know the only thing that matters to me is what we were eating 50 000 years ago 100 000 years ago 200 000 years ago a million years ago two million years ago it's the same it's consistent throughout the whole time it's animals we're eating animals and fatty animals we're getting we're going after megafauna again after elephants and Mastodon that had a lot of fat and that's why we went after them because we require more fat to other carnivores do all carnivores need fat all animals need that even herbivores that's where they break down cellulose into and and turn it into short chain fatty acids so they get majority of their calories from fat that makes Animal Kingdom go and so we're not able to turn grass into fat so we need to eat the animal that is able to turn grass into fat pretty simple so yeah true yeah and so you know if we if we weren't eating this 100 000 years ago we shouldn't be eating it now that's my take on this and that's sort of my impression of all these different foods you know like well there were artificial sweeteners all that bad for you I'm like well you know whether they are or not I you know I have my opinion on that but I don't really care at the end of the day because they didn't exist 50 000 years ago we certainly weren't eating them 50 000 years ago or 100 000 years ago or 500 000 years ago when our early ancestors were eating the thing that turned us into Homo sapiens today so that's the only thing that I care about and so if I see a product and it's just like well that didn't exist 50 000 years ago I I don't want anything to do with it you know animals existed 50 000 years ago I'll eat animals that's a good approach but uh I I totally agree and I know um you know but you know it as well that today it's a you should know who to listen to sometimes because when I saw you know like back in the days when I watched the game changers and all the so people sometimes they claim a lot of things also about our Evolution that they they said there I think that the Spartans the Spartan warriors they they were vegans or something like that and they have also like the blue zones theory that they they used to say that the the blue zones they're mostly vegan or they and they don't they eat only eggs something like that so yeah for me it makes a lot of sense because just I think that every society that is a is a remain of our ancestors they eat they eat in any way like animal products yeah so yeah the in game changer they talk about the Roman gladiators and so this gets romanticized the movie Gladiator with Russell Crowe and and this and all these sorts of things where they get all these just these ripped guys that are you know in the gym and and uh you know the movies usually on on steroids or something like that and so there's a lot of those Gladiators are ripped oh they were just eating uh plant-based um that weren't just eating plant-based but they were referred to as a grain eaters you know I study you know classical rum in Greece you know I yeah probably one of the last people that actually had a classical education and and yeah they're called the grain eaters because they ate a lot of grain that was not to make them ripped like the movies that was actually to make them fat they wanted to put on a layer of fat so that there was more padding between the you know a sword and their internal organs or a major artery so that was actually a bit of arm protection so they got a stab or a slash or something like that that wouldn't go in as far and and there'd be more fat and adding so it'd be less likely to hit something important that's why they did it also they were interesting they were not they were not necessarily getting all the best food but that was it I actually learned that years before I came across that that vegan argument and so as soon as someone said that I'm like no that's that's a complete misrepresentation historical fact and this is something that people can look up you know this is this is not hidden and but that's the thing people don't look it up you know they just say that oh wow oh they ate grain oh that they must have they must have been it you know okay well Genghis Khan a Mongol horde they only ate meat and these guys were way bigger than everyone else they were way fitter way healthier all the the historical uh records of this and and books written about them we're all talking about how these guys were just physical specimens much better fed they were fighting against peasant armies that we're just eating gruel and had you know stunted bones and short stature messed up teeth and weren't as healthy weren't as robust had to eat four times a day or three times a day and and the Mongols didn't you know they just they went five days without eating just roaring up and down Countryside and then just ate 10 pounds of horse meat and did it again you know and they were talking how much healthier they were how much more vigorous they were how much taller they were how much more muscular they were and so you know you completely ignoring that it's the largest Empire that's ever existed continuous Empire you know continuous uh Empire that's ever existed only eclipse in in uh land mass by the British Empire at its peak and that was you know all over the place because that was that was a naval uh Power right whereas the Mongol Empire was just one big chunk right and so they they did that on a purely carnivorous diet and they control the largest Empire that's ever existed in in one in one location oh you have to have you know cultivation and crops to make cities and have a have civilization my largest civilizations ever existed it was uh purely carnivorous so a lot of these things break apart once once you start looking at them and start poking holes in them so the Gladiators one that's just nonsense um and they and they know if they know it's nonsense they're just they're just trying to manipulate people and conflate the Gladiator the slave Gladiators at the time who were eating grains in order to become fatter so that they could protect themselves also they were poor they were slaves they were fed where they were fed yeah they were actually that's interesting it's it's like a bit like a ancient Egypt that they said they also well based like that a lot of grains and corn yeah yeah a lot of a lot of Wheat and grants yeah and uh they will pull like most of them like unless you have a king or uh yeah yeah they were and um and you know people say that you know we look at we look at uh the mummies in ancient Egypt and they found all these pharaohs look they had signs of atherosclerosis that's probably because they were the rich ones they could afford meat and fat and things like that in fact no uh because it wasn't just the Pharaohs that were mummified basically everyone was mummified it's thought that there are more mummies in uh in you know mummified remains in Egypt and there are living people in Egypt today right so it's just this has been going on thousands of years so they checked those people who are just the normal people and they found it no they all they all had evidence of atherosclerosis they all had evidence of of these diseases these metabolic diseases and using uh stable isotope technology to see exactly what these people were eating they found they were all eating the same thing they're all eating grains you know so it wasn't that it wasn't meat again it wasn't me and that's another thing too 66 of animals or carnivores they eat and they eat they eat sac and the rest of the animals almost every herbivore runs on fiber and they break that fiber down into fat and protein so all these animals are running on saturated fat protein none of them get heart disease if they're eating their biologically appropriate diet they get outside of that then they can start getting problems and so why would we be the only animal on Earth it gets heart disease or diabetes from eating meat and fat why would be the only ones that doesn't make any damn sense yeah you won't find any animal with diabetic lion no no exactly unless you start feeding them you know things that are outside of their natural diet then your dogs and cats domesticated pets they're getting they're getting a much higher prevalence of so-called human diseases like diabetes like different heart conditions and atheros though and arthritis and autoimmune issues as well you know they're getting like dogs getting like lupus and things like that I mean like that that's crazy you know like that's something that's never existed in the pet population until the last few decades and now it's getting more and more and more prevalent more and more so-called human diseases and you know that doesn't exist if they don't eat the the wrong thing and that and that's the same thing with us it doesn't exist with us if we if we don't eat the wrong thing as well so um yeah I think it's just a matter of time before people realize that and realize that that this that we've been had really yeah I think now there is a uh much more like it becoming more mainstream to to be even like a ketogenic you know in the US it's becoming more like um popular I know that Kim Kardashian she said that she was was a ketogenic and you see it like in the mainstream media much more but still I think these people they many times they do like a processed ketogenic diet so it's again they eat like a lot of ketogenic snacks and stuff like that but for me um as I said in the beginning like when I ate that that you know it's the ancestral food as you say it's a it solved my also a condition that it's pretty complex to manage like and it's solved my um my everyday hustle with this like I'm I don't have to hustle so much again and no more and um so it's all it's even after you the body have done damage to to itself still it's you know it does a lot to you it's it's a it it gives a lot of relief to in my life and it's easy and now you have people that their lifespan is higher than as a non-diabetic that they've been low carb for many many years so it's also the it can be the solution even after there's a strong big damage like big damage was done and it can be the preventive so it it makes a lot of sense that if you eat like the ancestral diet so you will uh you will you will be good yeah and that sort of um raises the question of you know you're studying blue clinical nutritionists what are they what are they teaching is it very very plant-based like other nutrition courses yeah they go they go a lot to the mainstream and I enjoy what you you probably studied the same as a as a medical doctor like I enjoyed a lot of anatomy and you know everything that will be always kind of a true it's like a an everlasting truth but uh but then when they get to the part of like the the guidelines so yeah it's a lot of plant-based it's a lot today in Israel they they talk a lot about the Mediterranean diet that no no one actually knows what's the exact definition of that but uh they talk a lot about that and the gaps and they try to go like with still to the mainstream but it's not um maybe like 10 of my lectures they they talk about the ketogenic diet is an option and they know like the for their diabetes especially yeah so they know Alexis is that yeah yeah and I think I think there is some awareness but but if you say like the the bulk of what what I learned so it's to go more to like um the guy The Official Guidelines today yeah but it's good that they're they're at least sort of recognizing the the advantages of a ketogenic diet and at least having it in in the toolbox of like you know this is how you sort of can help people with it I you know I will grow you know because you can help so many more issues than just than just uh diabetes with uh yeah absolutely but still for me it's it sounds like a it's sometimes I I can't believe that I have to study in order to tell people what to eat because everything that we talked about until this point this moment that just there is these people that they just know from father to son fellow to sound like just generations of all generations they just know it's like yeah so I can tell people I can I can tell them I look I learned I was studying Anatomy uh physiology it's all good but then it's like uh the still some maybe some wise guy you know from some tribe it will know so much more than me yeah and also he's just like well how can you you can't say that you can't make those claims you're not a nutritionist and this is like well hey um nutritionists just know what new what they're being taught and that doesn't necessarily mean it's true you know exactly to Authority and and you're saying that you're not allowed to voice an opinion you're not allowed to present evidence because you don't have a degree I mean that's that's a bit nonsensical because you know it's what you're saying needs to be taken on its own merits you know it doesn't it doesn't matter so that's that's an ad hominem right so you're saying you're not a nutritionist therefore what you're saying is wrong no that's not the case what you're saying may or may not be wrong but it has nothing to do with you being a nutritionist and exactly I think that I think that um it's sort of indicative of the fact that you know people had to be diverted from what they knew to be true what people had just passed down from generation to generation to generation hey this is the healthiest stuff to eat this is what we should do this is what you do best on you know which is just you don't need fat and butter and things like that uh it took a whole field of dietetics to then change that and brainwash people and go no no no no what everything everything you've been doing your whole life and generation and everything your parents and grandparents told you all wrong totally wrong they're just idiots you know they don't know better we are dietitians well they're self-proclaimed acolytes and they're self you know as uh as Thomas Soule says the uh self-anointed Elite you know they've decided that they are the Elite I am a nutritionist whatever I yeah all sorts of things um you know since who you know honestly the people the same people in your your cult that are just telling each other they're all they're all good at what they do but but it doesn't line up with with the evidence it doesn't line up with reality and it doesn't line up with the historical facts and and prehistorical realities of how we used to eat and and how we how we can benefit from that but it is funny that you have to get a degree in dietetics to then go completely against it you know like you're going to be it's like great get this degree and I'm gonna I'm gonna just ignore everything that I was taught but you have to have that degree you have to have that title so then for people to take take you seriously hey I study nutrition I have a degree in nutrition I am a nutritionist this is what I'm telling you to do yeah I I went to that because I I want to help people and uh what's special about me and I think I may be like two percent of the people that study with me that I I come from the field of just uh become like to come over some disease like that that that no so almost no one can say that and then when I say that so it's like okay I can pass it on but and the the degree will be only like the tooling to do it it's not I don't need a degree in order to I know the a bit is much more than I will tell you like who is with a confidence much more than a lot of doctors I know David is and I can help a lot of diabetics and that's the that's the goal here and then we get to this dangerous kind of situation that you you're absolutely right I agree with you that today there is like a tendency to go more and more to this position that people say oh you're not a doctor we will not listen to you you are not you don't have this degree and we saw it a lot in the kovid times in the when the covet was in in the the highest rate so we saw that people saying on the news but wait who are you to tell us if we should do stuff or not you're not a doctor and then I think it's a dangerous path to go because it's exactly what uh you know the Western people they want they went and they done to the native people of uh it doesn't matter America or in Australia they came and told them as you said they told them that's what you're eating no we will show you how to do it and then they got all of the western diseases and why four like yeah yeah and they just they only got worse you know and you could look at that uh through that historical lens as well that they were much more healthy and lived much longer before they started eating the way we do and um you know and I think that's a direct relationship um yeah you were saying that uh you know you're not allowed to comment well you're not a doctor or you're not a nutritionist right you and I who I studied nutrition I took I took college courses in nutrition I took biochemistry which is you know the biochemistry is just studying how your body works and how nutrition is I mean that's the horror of Science of nutrition and how it works in your body how these molecules uh work in your body and how you mobilize energy and all the different sorts of mechanisms that your body uses uh in in that in those processes so um that is studying nutrition uh really and I've also taken just straight up nutrition classes and I've studied all these things independently as well but people say well he's not a nutritionist how can you talk about nutrition he's not a nutritionist I'm like well because I've studied nutrition and that's why and uh and I'm right you know and I can I can back it up and I can prove it and you know if you if you disagree tell me why and we'll talk about it and that's that's totally fine um I actually enjoy those conversations I am I'm very interested in having these conversations and um or some medical issue or something that well you're not a doctor or this thing but but there's always there's always like a Escape out of that because it doesn't matter if you're a doctor it says like oh well you're not a doctor you can't say that and I'll say okay well I'm a doctor and I treat this and and so I'm agreeing with that you're just a quack you're just full of it you're just one of those whatever there's always an excuse they don't want to hear about it they don't want to listen to it so they make an excuse this is what the definition of ad hominem is they want to take your argument on on its Merit and yeah true you're not allowed to make the argument because you're disqualified for whatever reason you're not a doctor okay well you are a doctor but you're a kook you're this you're a liar you're paid by some company or something like that okay what's your evidence for that do you have any you know and who are you as a Layman to then say well you need to be an expert and then say to that expert no you're just a you're just a a crook or something like that so it's um it's a bit uh well it's it's finding how what you know to what lengths people will go to defend their ideologies yeah but true and at home it's uh the most uh it's the oldest trick in the book like if I want you know they do it a lot in politics if I want to shut you up so I will tell you no but I know that you uh you're you're a fraud like it's it's not I ask you a serious question about nutrition so don't tell me I'm afraid let's talk talk about the subject and that's we see it all the times all the time and I think um that's just uh sometimes you can defend against that when you have like uh you come from I I myself I'm a person that came from the field I don't I saw the bit is all my life I worked with diabetics I will walk with diabetics so and you you can say the same like about your clinical background so you can tell I think you can't argue with results like people can't argue if you tell people look I I put all of these people on Carnival diet or on a low carb doesn't matter and look what happened like with that you can't argue yeah exactly it's like in sports when there was a back and forth for the other team and all you guys suck you're this or that but like you won the game you just pointed scoreboard just like scoreboard yeah and that's what you say and it just it's just in Furious you gotta suck your this or that scoreboard yeah that's it it's just like you can't you can't talk you can't talk trash about the results like we won you lost so you know if you're saying that we suck or does that make you you're worse you know so exactly that's what annoys these people and that's why they go to ad hominem because it's the the only weapon that left that's it yeah you know so if you don't if you don't have an argument you have to distract from the argument you have to take away from the argument exactly you're not allowed to make the argument and that's why these things you you call someone names you call them you know racist sexist homophobe whatever uh and so you are not allowed to make this argument because you're a bad person and so you know it's time of Soul uh is a good quote from him that said you know now nowadays when people disagree they don't just think that you're in error but in sin you know you're a racist or a homophobe or whatever you know the the bad person of the day is and you know so it's it's not it's not a disagreement on a factual basis or an intellectual basis it's a moral condemnation about the other person say you disagree with me there it's because you're a bad person like you pot You couldn't possibly actually disagree with me for any real reasons it's because you are a bad person that you're lying and you're making this up and you're trying to manipulate people um that's that's that's that's really lazy thinking and uh it's really lazy debating you know maybe true cases there are there are idiots and and racists out there but like the vast majority of these interactions are not going to be derived on that the vast majority of people disagreeing are going to be honest disagreements you know they just don't they just see things differently um that was another thing that Thomas Soules said is that you know that we need to understand uh I think this is a very good working definition of being open-minded is that two people can look at the same piece of evidence and intelligently and honestly come to different conclusions and we need to recognize that because we all have different backgrounds we all have different influences we all have different you know levels of Education or understanding in a particular subject and so when we see a situation like that we're going to have all of those influences come to bear so we're going to look we're going to interpret that exact same thing differently and it can be done intelligently and honestly it doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be dishonest and deceitful and or or idiotic it's just you know people people get to disagree and that's actually very healthy the only the only situation you'll ever find where people agree on absolutely everything is in a cult and that's not where I want yeah absolutely and I went in you know that's the the definition of science is actually to uh to debate about what what you think is not true like that's that's how science works if if you if it's a shutting mouses all day long like you are not this you're not qualified to talk about this so it's the death of Science in this moment because you all the idea of science is like to to question yeah yeah and it should be question everything should be questioned yeah you can't question it it's not science it's Dogma right exactly it's you know dogma's religion it's it's um it's uh you know it's it's it's something that um should be questioned you know if anybody says to you no this is it game over there's nothing to see here that's that's when you start asking some real serious deep and probing questions because they're trying to hide something you know the truth defends itself good ideas stand on their own merits and so you know when I have people saying that you're full of it and here's why they're great all right let's talk about it you know but normally they don't normally say oh you're just full of it okay great why how you know and they don't have an answer they just they just know that they hate me for having my viewpoints and they don't have any evidence just they just they just know I'm wrong even though they can't they don't want to debate no and they don't even know how they don't have any evidence right and so it's just it's different from what their mother told them and so obviously I'm a mother and a crook you know and so you know anytime you get into a situation where someone says you know this is it settled science no one just agrees like we're just not talking about this anymore they're hiding something right I'm happy to talk about anybody you know I've I've had multiple I mean literally thousands of conversations about it before long before I started my YouTube channel and my podcast I would meet people all the time and sometimes you'd be like two or three people a day every day did I mean it's possible or when I was out or something like that it would just come up and like they'd see me eating like Jesus there's a lot of eggs you get a lot of protein there you know it's just like boys don't eat anything else I'm like what do you mean you don't need anything else like and it just goes on like that and then she was like wait hold on a second and they did they just want they keep asking keep asking and so they you know they challenge all these things I'm happy to talk to them so I literally have these give these feels like two three times a day for like literally years and um I was happy to you know I was happy that I met I came across a lot of vegans and a lot of vegetarians and and we you know went at it some people were more upset well but how can it be and this that and the other most of them were very reasonable and everyone was just very just talking hold on a second that can't be and we we just had a discussion about and you know we were able to convince all of them really I haven't haven't had a single example where we've been able to actually sit down and communicate you know if they've been willing to communicate that I haven't been able to uh have them see my side of things that's what it's supposed to be you can't just say no no that's not at all you're just you're a bad person you can't say that because you're this you're that you're a this denier or that denier and it was just horribly it was a horrible thing to say you know um and uh and it's it's just ridiculous like you have to be able to discuss these things and so you know and and the good ideas will stand on their own merits if you have to protect an idea if you have to make it illegal to debate or go against that idea you know it's a bad idea because otherwise it would be able to stand on its own yeah true all right well um just looking at the time here um it's very very uh great to talk to you again and have you on my podcast thank you so much for taking the time uh to come out uh can you tell us where we you can find you and find all your your online happenings yeah today my English website it's tamilpape.com and I opened I recently done the podcast with you and with the Brian Sanders and it's on it's called the normal blood glucose podcast I have it on YouTube everywhere Spotify just if people will Google Tomo puppy they will get to it very nice great and I had a lot of fun yeah great yeah no me too and I'll put all those links up on uh on uh the description as well and uh and great and so everyone if you enjoyed this please uh send this to people who think would also enjoy it or or would benefit from hearing it and everyone please like And subscribe it really really helps out and leave a comment that's very very helpful uh to the algorithm so thank you all very much uh for tuning in and we'll see you next time hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube 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