Debunking Carnivore Diet Myths! Live Challenge Q's from the Audience!

hello and welcome it's Carrie here along with Dr Anthony chafee and today we're hoping to tackle some of the most common carnivore diet myths and arguments against it in the hopes of giving you a clear understanding help you navigate these questions uh a lot of times arguments that prevent people from Ever starting carnivore myself included it was one of the hardest decisions I ever had to make and went against everything I was ever told nutrition wise I thought I was going to die of heart attack but I learned that many of those fears I had were completely unfounded when I had the the facts and I had the truth and once I had that I was able to completely transform my life so the goal of today's video is to help share those truths and the facts and answer some of these more difficult uh carnivore arguments so before we start I just wanted to sincerely thank Dr Anthony chafee for being so generous with his time and for sharing his true truths about the carnivore diet because uh sincerely it choked up talking about this but I never would have started carnivore if it wasn't for Dr chafee and the other good doctors out there sharing the truth and answering these hard questions and I'm on day 118 now it's completely changed my life it's changed the life of my daughters my wife my mother so many people in my family but it's completely transformed my life and I really honestly don't think I would have started if I didn't have doctors like Dr Anthony chafee sharing these truths and helping us overcome these arguments against carnivore things that we've been told our entire life so sincerely thank you very much Dr chafee and if you wouldn't mind could you please introduce yourself even though yeah who knows you already but just in case well look you're very welcome I'm really glad that that my videos have helped and that I'm sure that everyone else is very happy about that as well that's sort of why we've done this you know we've seen that this really has helped us this has helped our families has helped our friends has helped our patients and the people around us and it's something that we just really couldn't you know keep bottled up we needed to tell as many people as we could so that they could they could experience this as well and take back their health so um for those who don't know my name is Dr Anthony chafee I'm an American medical doctor I currently live in Australia and I'm a Neurosurgical resident or registrar as they call it here and I've been studying nutrition and how that's you know diet nutrition how that's affect health and chronic disease and athletic performance for around the last 25 years and you know at a university and postgraduate and professional level and I've been applying that to myself and as as well as my patients and I found that it's one of these strong Tools in preventative medicine and reversing all these chronic issues which make up you know what 90 of the illnesses that we treat now as as a Mainstay of modern medicine which didn't exist it just simply did not exist in anywhere near the numbers that were seeing them now before the 20th century so that's something that I really hope that we can get back to that we can get back to uh that level of chronic disease that we were seeing you know in the 1800s and before we've had other problems but we didn't have those problems and you know a lot of those other problems that we would have had in the 1800s we have the modern medicine that we do have would absolutely amply uh cover those sorts of things very well so as long as we can get rid of the the chronic disease I think we'll be in very good stead so that's what I'm trying to do with the podcast and getting the word out thank you Dr chafee and for those of you who don't know me I'm Carrie from homestead Howe I started carnivore 118 days ago I was pretty fired up this morning I weighed myself Dr chafee and I'm in the 160s club I uh nice when I started at my head well not when I started carnivore but at my heaviest I did a little bit of Keto I was 262. I'm currently eight pounds shy of being down 100 pounds from my heaviest uh but like I've said before the weight loss is obviously great but I've overcome clinical depression arthritis IBS sleep apnea I don't snore anymore I can honestly say these last 118 days have been the best days of my life I feel like I'm living like in a natural state like a proper state that humans should be living in and I didn't know what that was before so it's completely changed my life it's my my purpose and my mission in life now is to share this with other people on YouTube and we're also I'm putting together a carnivore diet documentary and so if people want to participate in that it's carnivore dietmovie.com it's completely crowdfunded I'm really fired up about this as well because we just purchased our Cinema grade camera uh that is required from Netflix and some of the big streaming services you got to have a top of the line Cinema grade camera I have that now and it's due in the only in large part because of uh people generously donating uh this is all being crowdfunded and I put a lot of my own money into it but we've we're already starting to film it and generously Dr chafee I asked him on an earlier episode if you'd like to participate and he said yes which is very exciting so I'm looking forward to uh sharing this word with more people via VIA farm work diet documentary I guess the only other thing I wanted to say real quick was Dr chafee and I did a video like this it was about one week ago and it's really resonating with people you did a heck of a job Dr Chaffey it was great uh if people want to watch that I left a link below anyone that's from my channel that isn't familiar with Dr chafee I don't know what you've been doing but I left a link to his YouTube in my description below and his Instagram and I highly encourage you to check out his uh his YouTube channel just doing some amazing stuff over there so the idea behind this video is uh I had a lot of people submit on my community tab I said what are your biggest arguments against carnivore what prevented you from starting carnivore what are your friends families doctors say to you and you're like oh geez that is that makes me kind of scared about doing carnivore and we've got some really good ones here we had some good ones last week but there's a lot that we missed and then a lot of new ones came in so I think we're going to start out with some of the more popular ones that people asked and then please post a comment put a big cue or question by it and I guess we're trying to focus a little bit more maybe not not so much on Carnivore questions but if you have a specific argument or something that held you up from doing carnivore if you could post that as a comment that would be great so here's the first one are you ready Dr chafee to jump into some of these carnivore diet myths yeah sounds good all right here we go the first one is sure you'll feel great on Carnivore eliminating processed junk until 10 years from now when your arteries are clogged and you die of a heart attack I've heard this one myself many times well you know I mean it's fair enough right you know if we're if we're if we're going on the premise that saturated fat and cholesterol or dietary cholesterol uh affect heart disease then you know certainly that should be something that you're worried about I certainly agree that you can have a a very big disparity in how you feel just getting rid of some of the worst things that you could eat and getting more towards what you should eat the fact matter is we are not herbivores you know we're not even really omnivores you know we we require meat we do not require plants at all we can completely subsist and sustain on on meat alone and um you know so so how are we omnivores why do we need to eat plants we don't need to eat plants we could eat plants but you know a lion could eat plants as well cats are obligate carnivores and yet they can get up to 60 of their calories from carbohydrates so does that make them omnivores just because they can uh another you know source of food no I mean they they require meat and they do much better on meat so do we right and so you know why would our involved diet why would our biologically appropriate diet why would our design diet be something that that's just going to kill us in 10 years that doesn't make any sense and you know we look at all these different populations you know throughout Antiquity you know they you know they they were thriving they weren't just surviving they were thriving you look at the fossil record before the Agricultural Revolution people were on average literally there was a line you know people you know archaeologists can tell exactly when that that changed you know Agricultural Revolution hit when people picked up agriculture they shrank by five inches on average their brains shrunk by 11 on average their teeth became crowded and screwed up and crooked their jaws were too small their wisdom teeth didn't come in they had you know Dental caries cavities they had bone deformities growth abnormalities shortened femurs and uh signs of tuberculosis in their spine and other sorts of areas and these are all signs of malnutrition and poor health right immediately after we had agriculture so immediately after we started eating more plants because we're probably eating some plants before that and then people said hey you can plant this yourself and hey we can just do this here we don't need to go around looking for it um so presumably those people were already eating some plants um once they started eating a lot more plants Health suffered immensely and um and that was just you know that there's no GMOs no pesticides or weird fertilizers or chemicals or anything I can't blame all that you know it was just the plants themselves and so you know that that just doesn't even pass a smell test you know we had people living quite a long time but oh well people only live to be 30 years old that's not true that's not true at all that's average life expectancy from birth first of all you have no idea what people were living to in the Ice Age how would you know you know I mean like you have you have fossil records and things like that like oh well they weren't all decrepit and broken osteoporosis and having a bunch of arthritis that means that they didn't grow to old age no they just didn't get osteoporosis and arthritis you know what animal does you know what lion gets osteoporosis what has their teeth fall out what elephant gets uh you know get gets tooth decay and and has all sorts of you know serious medical problems and has to go into you know an old folks home um you know they just they just live they live they live they live and then they die they they're at quite good health active elderly adults um until they just run out of time and they just sort of Keel over at that point they're not dying slowly over Decades of chronic disease and illness right and that and look at animals in the zoo right they live longer than they do in the wild because their life isn't as rough right and so you know but they don't they they're not getting all these chronic diseases they're not getting you know dementia and Alzheimer's and and uh having their teeth fall out and rot and their bones Decay and all these sorts of things none of that happens now that happens at all we're the only animal species on Earth apart from domesticated pets that are fed something they're not supposed to eat either that get these sorts of chronic diseases and debilitation and degeneration as as they age so um you know just right off the bat like you know why would eating meat cause any of these problems which never existed in the numbers they're they're found in now previously when we've been eating this way in the 1800s we ate more meat on average than we do now no heart disease Dr Osler was the first professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins one of the most famous medical professors ever and teachers and authors and you know has I had this I have this textbook um from the 1800s late 1800s um that was my my great grandfather's and uh when he was a doctor probably a medical student and you know he had said like in his entire careers you know spanning you know two decades before he became a professor he said that he saw maybe six cases of angina angina depending on the part of the world you're in and so that that's you know just painful sort of tightness chest pain not necessarily you know heart disease but just that sort of chest pain no heart attacks never saw a heart attack not one in his entire career right and that and then in the 1920s 1930s all of a sudden heart disease is the number one killer in America right unheard of before that in uh you know 19 19 tens or so 1910 or so was was the first case of an autopsy confirmed case of uh someone who died from a myocardial infarction from a clot in the heart blogging clogging the arteries and died from that and uh confirmed on autopsy a guy wrote it up and published it people didn't believe him so that that's we've never seen that before you're making it up you know it's something else you're just you're just misinterpreting what you're seeing you know blood coagulates and congeals after they're dead that's what you're seeing something like that uh 10 years later there would be there was a number more of them and they're like okay they didn't take it seriously for a decade until they started seeing more and more of these I'm like okay that guy actually may not have been full of full of crap ten years after that it's the number one killer in America what happened right well if you look at our meat consumption meat consumption was going down actually and he actually troughed right at the when heart disease started really climbing up and became the number one killer in America at the lowest point we're eating the least amount of meat and heart disease started spiking up exponentially unheard of a decade ago now the number one killer right and so in the 1800s when you're looking at there was actually quite a lot in the early 1800s actually a lot more meat a lot more meat than we even do now right and basically the most amount of meat that we've eaten in the last 200 years was in the early 1800s slowly sort of came down came down came down absolutely no heart disease none you know oh they just didn't notice it you know you are you are making uh an assumption that is absolutely not borne out by the evidence that we had copious medical records we have copious Journal articles you made your name by discovering a new disease like that guy who who did the autopsy and you know the early 1900s he was the first one to do it you know that guy's name is is always going to be uh you know as a first person to describe that in America right everyone was clamoring to show this stuff this was just a major major killer you know people were doing autopsies people were doing dissections they would have seen this there are other sort of cardiac related death not myocardial infarction right and so the idea that heart disease is caused by cholesterol and and saturated fat I mean honestly you don't even need to go in get it get even to that point with realizing like this is completely how can an ancient diet cause a new disease this is a new disease we've always been eating that way how is that how is that the thing it's something new that came in like processed foods seed oils refined sugars things like that these ingredients that never existed before so in fact no you know you feel better because it's this is how we're designed to eat saturated fat does not cause heart disease end of story dietary cholesterol doesn't even really contribute to uh our serum cholesterol you make most of it right and you only absorb what you need your body's very good at that so you know if you if you eat something that has a lot of cholesterol you just don't absorb the cholesterol that your body doesn't want but it's very selective on that and the generally American College of Cardiology published in 2020 massive literature review looking at you know all the best all the top studies randomized controlled Trials meta-analyzes of various trials looking at all the highest level evidence to do with saturated fat and heart disease and they found that there was no association between saturated fat intake and heart disease but they found an inverse relationship between saturated fat and stroke rate so the more saturated fat people were eating the lower their risk of stroke which is you know part of the cardiovascular disease complex right and the less saturated fat they're eating the more higher risk of stroke they had and there are tons of studies there was a study a recent study that looked at nearly 12 million people one of the largest studies that's ever been done and found that the higher your LDL cholesterol the longer you live and the less likely you were to die of all-cause mortality the lower your risk of all-cause mortality was there's sort of a U-shaped curve so on the real as as you got lower actually more people died your all-cause mortality went up and as you sort of went up that went down and then in the big extremes of LDL cholesterol it went up a little bit but not that much and what that could be is you know familial hypercholesterolemia you know these people have a slight increase in uh in death but that has been shown to not be because of the cholesterol level but because that there are some of these people more of these than the rest of the population that have familial hypercholesterolemia that also clotting disorders and are hyper coagulable so they're more likely to clot and that's what a heart attack is right you get a little bit of damage clots off and you you block off the blood supply same with with Strokes a lot of Strokes there's different kinds of Strokes and so when you when you pair those out and you separate out the ones who have that genetic abnormality and ones you just have hyper high cholesterol the ones with super high cholesterol no increased risk none above uh Baseline of the population so that's likely what that is you have these this this uh you know group of people with familiar with congenital massive cholesterol some of them are predisposed to clotting more some of those will die more and but it's not even all that much more you know after you get above above the age of 50 it's even you know so you know this idea that you know it's just taking time bomb is uh uh nonsense but you know it's a fair question though you know because that's something that we've been you know that we've been hammered with for decades now but it's just it's a flat out untrue and it'll just end with this um you know this is not just untrue this was this was not just false it was fraudulent the Journal of the American Medical Association published in 2016 actual internal memos from the sugar companies back in the 50s and 60s detailing how they're paying off three Harvard professors to falsify data and publish fraudulent studies to make it appear as if cholesterol cause heart disease when there's really sugar and one of those professors was named head of the USDA and it was he who authored and published the 1977 USDA declaration stating that cholesterol uh caused heart disease and uh or at least was you know associated with it and so that was a recommendation stop eating fat and cholesterol stop eating meat stop eating eggs start eating heart health the low-fat grains vegetables fruits and well you know what are we going to do you know this is a large portion of our dietary calories or caloric intake was from fat from animal fats and so they said okay we'll just replace that with sugar then slime sugar and Seed oils so sugar and Seed oils went up dramatically the amount of of um seed oils that we consumed in America from the 1970s and this is this is pew pew Institute research they showed that using USDA numbers showed that they over tripled the amount of uh what we over triple the amount of seed oils that we consumed since the 1970s to today and over tripled the amount of high fructose corn syrup from the 1970s to today now we slightly came off on cane sugar that went down a bit but we replaced it and then a lot more with high fructose corn syrup so the amount of sugar that we ate you know went up quite a lot it sort of petered out and sort of come down a bit in recent decades but it did go up significantly from the 1970s and it's and the acetyls are still on the rise so excuse me so that is much more likely to be what's indicated here you know something that we are eating more of and have never eaten before have never been anywhere it has just not been in nature didn't exist before that that this is this is a new construct these seed oils are manufactured they're brand new you know some of these didn't didn't exist before the 50s some of them are even more recent than that and so you know why would why would something that we've always been eating and have been eating more of previously not caused the disease that we're seeing now if that were the cause right wow yeah I think we talked about this in the last episode but it's like if you want to sell an incredible amount of sugar it's really easy just demonize meat so a lot of the things I've heard over the years I I never really thought about that before you know one other thing Dr Chaffey you mentioned uh just now and you mentioned a little bit before and it really resonated with people was sort of the natural state of animals uh I had a bunch of family over yesterday and my one particular person he has like the skin condition his skin was like falling off his arm overweight fatigued I just I really felt for him because he had a lot of issues that I had before and so I used your sort of analogy and I was like we have a lot of deer buyer property I'm like imagine if you saw a family of deer over there and their fur was coming off their arms and they had big bags under their eyes and their belly was touching the ground and they had big flaps under their their legs you would drive by and you saw a whole family of deer like that you would be like oh my goodness what's wrong with them they're sick there's so sick it's sad like they we should uh we should do something about that but then you go to the grocery store it's like every human looks like that and it just becomes our new normal like oh that's just for taking but that's not that's not the natural state of an animal it's not the natural state of what a a human should feel like I think that's one you know one thing that's tough about being a human and kind of overcoming some of these carnivore arguments is we're so set in our current time and things just slowly become normal but some of the things you're referencing from 1800s and stuff like that if you look back it's really abnormal what we're doing right now people keep telling me carnivore diet oh that's a fad diet I'm like no the way people are eating now is a fad diet when you compare it to all times of what people have been eating so well we'll look at the definition of a fad diet right fad diet is you know it's highly restrictive you're cutting out major food groups something that's just sort of flashing the pan it's not going to be there because it's it's not healthy right it's not it's not it's not something that can be perpetuated right uh no one says that about a vegan diet or a vegetarian diet you cut out meat something we've been eating forever you know it's it's it has never been argued in any serious format that humans are anything but apex predators right top of the food chain now some of these you know strange people are saying oh no no actually you know we're vegans we're just like orangutans we're Fruit divorce we were like no that's not what we are and and no serious biologist zoologist or you know Anthropologist or paleoanthropologist or any any evolutionary biologist has ever ever said that in any serious context I've never heard that ever and you know speaking with you know uh people like you know Dr Mickey bandur and uh you know Professor Bill Schindler uh who are you know phds and uh Bill Schindler was a you know a now retired professor of paleo methodology and Archeology at University of Maryland no one is is arguing that we were vegan that we were vegetarians and and fruit divorce and things like that no one no one at all and so this is this is just this is just propaganda really so you know what is a fad die okay something that's that's very restrictive you're cutting out a whole food groups all that sort of stuff okay so no one's saying that about a vegetarian diet they're saying oh that's great it's going to save the planet it's so good for you well no no it's not none note all of those and why is that not a fad diet and and what is fad like of eating what we're designed to eat biologically how is that a fat diet how is that a flash in the pan how is that something that's just coming out of nowhere that's what we've been eating always you know that's that's the norm eating vegetables is new very new in fact really wasn't doing it we really weren't doing it in much in large amounts since before about 8 000 years ago the Agricultural Revolution the earliest example of Agriculture and so before that you know maybe some Gathering things like that but predominantly when we had megaphone access to megaphone we just ate we just ate meat and so maybe we knew which plants to eat but we ate meat so how is that a fat how is what we were designed to eat a fad and you know cutting out food groups who's cutting out food groups I'm eating what we're designed to eat that is food food is species specific right a food too well look at look at look at koalas they're only eating eucalyptus they're cutting out entire food groups that's a fad eucalyptus is a fad right um that's ridiculous right animals eat very specific things in the wild we don't and we are suffering for it and this is why you have signs that you know nature preserves and zoos and parks that say Do not feed the animals they need to eat a specific diet they get very sick if they eat outside of that we do too and we get the same things they do they get all these chronic diseases and you ask a zookeeper like how would you give them kibble you give them dog food you can always open that and they just look at you in horror like God no you give animals that they'll get human diseases what do you mean they're catching it from us no they're getting it from the food the food is causing the harm and we're eating this stupid food too you eat outside of your species specific diet you're going to get problems your body's going to break down in ways that that uh you know you you wouldn't expect and wouldn't want so how is that a fad how is eating the only thing that is verifiable food to our species the only perfect food to our species how is that a fad that doesn't make any damn sense that there's someone who doesn't know uh what they're talking about really right all right here we go with another one I'd love to do carnivore but who the heck can afford steak or meat I'm not rich I've had this comment many times what normal person can afford to buy steak every day well you don't need to buy steak every day ground beef is really cheap chicken's cheap eggs are cheap and well that they used to be anyway I don't know if they come back down I think there's there's like all those memes about like you know like buying you know like houses with you know rack of eggs or something like that but um no there there are cheaper options I mean you don't have to it's not a it's not a rib eye diet it's a it's a meat diet right so ground beef is very cheap and in fact if you if you look and compare per pound uh steak is actually cheaper per pound than spinach or lettuce you know these things are are not inexpensive and they weigh nothing you know you get a head of lettuce it weighs two ounces it's five bucks right okay we'll do that another eight times and see where you're at and and then look at the steak and tell me it's expensive right and in the steak you are getting perfect nutrition that you can that that will feed you for 24 hours right that hell is eight heads of lettuce gonna do for you right not much so it actually is when you when you break it down you actually look at it you know I mean like you know pasta you know you know rice and things like that sure that's very cheap you know that very cheap per pound but you're not getting all the nutrients you need it's not optimal nutrition and you're you know you're going to suffer as a result and you know what's your health worth what's your life worth what are your medical bills worth what are your medications worth you know you you can get off of your medications you can get healthy you can have a new lease on life you have mental health mental uh Clarity uh physical health you'll be able to do things you weren't able to do before you'll be able to to work hard or work better be more productive and earn more money be better in school your kids will develop better they'll they'll be more successful or at least have the potential to be more successful in their Endeavors and you know you really can't put a price on that you know it's like that that it costs nothing compared to the Alternatives and compared to feeling sick and feeling miserable and Ratchet so you know you you in fact spend less and you're not doing all the snacks you're not doing all the Starbucks and the you know three meals a day and three snacks a day I eat once I ate a big steak I'm done for 24 hours you want to do that with ground beef that's fine you know 3.99 a pound I eat two pounds a day that's it right eight bucks I'm out the door what did you spend on Starbucks yesterday right I'm I I'm and that's perfect nutrition for 24 hours so in fact if you break it down you know uh it's actually cheaper just with the food but also you will save so much money and earn more money in the long run than than you ever will eating any other way yeah you said it you can't put a price on it I kind of mentioned that in my 30-day update video but if someone were to say hey you have a billion dollars right now and never know about carnivore people are like oh that's BS you're full of it I wouldn't take it I would rather do a carnivore I had my life was so horrible before and it's so much drastically better now I guess the only other thing I want to mention too is the lettuce and the spinach too all that stuff gets wasted so much as well and people don't account for that price you buy a head of lettuce and then it goes bad in the fridge and you throw half of it out well now you just basically paid twice the amount for that lettuce that you didn't even eat half of so hmm yeah it was gross anyway yeah yeah I never ate it like oh I feel great now I'm doing the same thing as you by the way lion died for 30 days one big steak the the energy it's unbelievable I had a bunch of people over yesterday and they're like you just eat one time I was like yeah 23 hours I'm not eating anything they're like you have all this energy I've just been going non-stop I'm like yeah it's and and time you have so much time you know you know I I figure that probably have another six hours where I'm not thinking about preparing or eating food you are a testament you are a testament to the time I can't imagine your schedule you're doing neurosurgery you're helping people with nutrition carnivore diet you've been doing interviews and Q and A's you've been so generous with your time but that's what I that's why I your channel I think resonates with a lot of people because you're speaking the truth but you're practicing what you preach and I think it's amazing that we're talking right now with the schedule that you keep doing neurosurgery and then all of this on top of it so much well you know it it I would not be able to do this if I wasn't I wasn't doing carnivore you know neurosurgery is you know I'm [Music] um extraordinarily busy with that um at the moment I have a bit lighter schedule uh so that that's great but it's still busy I'm still you know I still fill up all my time all my my free time that I'm not in the hospital or in my clinic uh with with other sort of projects but you know when I'm when I am really ramping up I mean sometimes you can go anywhere from you know 90 hours a week to 135 that was the longest I've done was 135 hours in a week and obviously that's that's the whole week and then you're into the next week let me do the math quick I think that's like the whole week well that was the thing because I did um I did two on calls during the week and then and then 48 hour shift over the weekend and into the Monday worked a 14-hour shift so it was 62 hours straight you know and uh and that was the thing I was working basically every single day and um you know at the hospital and and so you know you're at least six days a week and then if you're on call the whole weekend it's always busy as hell you know it's um if nothing else you're just you're just getting hammered with phone calls but quite often you're going in doing multiple visits to see patients at you know one or many hospitals and and possibly doing surgery all night and the next day and then you know rounding on 60 patients and uh you know trying to see everyone you don't have a team you normally have you know 10 people throughout the week all doing things it's just you and and one other guy who's there till noon and it's just you and you know and it's very busy you know and it'd be a lot of very sick people and getting slammed with calls and you know then in what little time I had outside of that you know I was I was you know on the weekends that I wasn't on call working on the time all the time I would I would do um some private work in in clinics trying to see people in a functional medicine aspect and uh and try you know because I I was able to talk to people about diet and lifestyle and improving their health and getting them off medications as opposed to just damage control you know someone came in they fell off a ladder and they cracked their head and then they just need surgery or they just have a big tumor or spinal injury or something like that they just they just need surgery they need help and so it was really nice and so I was yeah I was seven days a week every week and then in the evenings if I wasn't on call I was doing this sort of stuff so it was basically every waking hour of the day you know I'm doing stuff and you know it was fine you know I was I was really enjoying it it was hard it was a lot of work I was very tired most of the time but it was extremely rewarding and you know if it wasn't wasn't worth it I wouldn't have done it but you know I because I was doing a carnivore diet it was it was absolutely something that I could do uh whereas like my intern year without hellish hours I mean I was doing 100 hours a week easily you know it was quite often doing 115 120 hours a week uh you know back to back week after week after week after week and I hated it was the longest year of my life you know I've been in Australia now for four years it's just flown that fast you know it's absolutely crazy how fast it's gone um and so I absolutely would not have been able to do this if I wasn't eating this way no chance in hell because I've done similar things when I wasn't on this when I was 10 years younger and hated it it was absolutely awful that's the thing too I I've been telling people I think it's true I feel like I'm getting three times the amount of work done I was before but I'm also enjoying it too my mood is great it's not like oh this is a big challenge so all right here's another question my trusted doctor disagrees with the carnivore diet and recommends eating healthier and in moderation wants me to start statins yeah well look you know I mean there's there's no you know there's there's no there's no main major issue with that you know what I mean because because that that's what the doctor's been taught this is very new information it's actually very old information we've known for freaking hundreds of years thousands of years but it has been papered over and so this has been you know for the last 40 years we've been told uh to eat you know differently than we've always eaten our entire life you know and expect it to go back to how we've been you know throughout our existence before it makes no sense but you know that that's just what what they're taught they're taught that you know meat and fat or bad you know fair enough you can't really fault them for that but you know what you can do is you can just say well you know um this is something I want to do I would like your help I'd like you to work with me you know this is something I'm looking at and I actually think it would be healthy for me and I think I do want to try this and I would like your help with it but if you know you don't want to help me that's fine I'll do it on my own you are the boss you know doctor works for you right and so you know if they say no you you can't do this in the other like you can say no like it's uh it is your choice it is your body you absolutely don't have to to do anything um you know this is the thing with with medicine we talk about compliance you know it's like you want to recommend something for your patients it's a matter of you know how do you convince them to get on your plan you know and uh and make them comply and do it because a lot of patients just be like I don't agree with that I'm not going to do that I think that's dumb or it's not something that that I want in my live so you know you can just tell them you just say hey look this is something that I've looked into a lot I'd love for you to take a look at this stuff too and uh and this is something that's helping a lot of people around the world this is probably something that could really help you and then and certainly help your patients and you know maybe you should should check it out and you know if you know a lot about it you can you can try talking to them about and just tell me about it but at the end of the day you can just say hey look this is what I'm doing and I want to do this I'd like your help but if you don't want to help me then then don't help me it's not a big deal or you don't even have to bring it up I mean I mean how many times does your doctor ask you what your diet is never you know and so it just may not even ever come up right you just go about you're doing how's everything going how's this going oh yeah yeah everything's fine okay all right well you know your blood pressure's a little up let's put you on this let's raise that let's do that all right see ya that's what happens you know they only know that you're on a carnivore diet if you tell them you know maybe if your cholesterol goes up like oh Jesus what are you eating same thing I don't know and uh you know and uh you know so it's it's you know they only know neces they only know what you tell them and also this is yours this is your choice um I think it's very important to work with doctors and your doctor and but if they're not on board that's okay you know they don't have to be on board you know doctors have plenty of patients who smoke and drink right that's not good for them doctors know it's not good for them they don't say hey I'm going to fire you as a patient if you don't stop smoking and drinking yeah they'd lose half their patients right and so you know it's um you you don't have to fall in line with their recommendations if you don't agree with their recommendations uh eating healthier well you can just counter with that and be like well actually you know from what I can see this is the healthiest way to eat this is what our biologically our appropriate diet is uh eat in moderation what the hell does that mean eat what in moderation arsenic you know like I mean that that doesn't make any sense what in moderation we eat everything in moderation cat food I mean what what the hell are you talking about you know what in moderation and so you know the idea that you can just eat anything and meet dirt in moderation Coca-Cola in moderation what the hell does that mean you know there's a fight right now between The Who and the FDA because the W show defined aspartame as a as a carcinogen and and the FDA which is you know over 70 funded by uh pharmaceutical companies which are heavily invested in the food companies say no you have to take that back we don't agree with you I wonder why uh not that who isn't compromise either because they are and you know so so they're saying well you know these studies that they're looking at you know we don't really we have these problems with them and we think that you know it's still safe it wouldn't cause cancer if you drink it below a certain amount it's like okay well what below the you know the recommended daily limit what the hell is the recommended daily limit for aspartame who who the hell knows that I've never heard that you know no one ever told me they didn't teach that in medical school you know it doesn't say that on the cam on the back of a can of Diet Coke right so who the hell knows what that is you know when people are drinking diet coke I know I know people that drink diet sodas they drink like 20 30 of these things a day right so that's probably over that and then it's just like oh if they eat less than a certain amount then it won't cause cancer so after it does like I mean what the hell you know like so this is poison you're just saying I just don't have too much of the poison you'll be fine watering like poison intake bad recommendation yeah yeah it's insane and we we've done it too moderate the amount of poison you're in taking into your body I was one of the biggest things that happened to me in carnivore was stopping snoring where up and sleep apnea I would stop breathing over and over again in retrospect I'm having these carnivore epiphanies but it's like I was basically nearly dying multiple times a night because I was just poisoning myself with garbage food and sugar that was causing inflammation within a couple days it went away but it's amazing how many people are they're literally just kind of slowly poisoning themselves or consuming sugar and having inflammation and they all these health issues and they just keep doing it it's crazy all right here's another question the so-called blue zones where people tend to live the longest are generally not carnivore but more plant-based diets if you want to live to be 100 plant-based is the way to go well so who who says that they are plant-based some guy who wrote a paper and called and said so you know uh that that's what it was there's not a there's not a study right this was this was like an op-ed you know uh if if if it was even that rigorous you know um and they they looked at these areas some of the areas not all the areas but some of the areas that that have uh people that live uh have quite a high life expectancy and a lot of uh scent of genarians so people that live over 100 years and you know independent and healthy and moderately healthy and they said oh well look at them they they eat a lot of plants okay well first of all the American diet the standard American diet is already 70 plant-based right so you know it's it's actually the same I mean everyone's sort of plant-based now around the world um and so if you look at Sardinia you know I mentioned my friend uh Dr Bill Schindler um he studies ancient cultures and societies and ways of eating and uh and and stone tool making like he's you know uh an international expert on making stone tools that we were using over the past two three million years and he can make them and recreate them you know he can go walk around find flint and you know make a knife and some arrowheads out of it like just on the spot right and he went to Sardinia all right speaking about this I'm going to have him on my podcast next week where I'm going to interview him next week and then have it uh after that um I I was you know Elle and I were going to try to go and meet him over on Sardinia I really wish I was able to go but I was having Visa issues and so he said that not only are so Sardinia is is the first Blue Zone ever identified right and in the Blue Zone study it said oh they're they're largely plant-based well he went there and he lived with these people and he and he you know studied them and he said not only are these guys not plant-based they're almost exclusively whole animal based they're like cooking up whole you know oxen on you know spits and things like that or whole sheep and Lambs on spits and they're they're almost completely carnivore they use like like plants as like garnish and seasoning and things like that but they're just eating a ton of meat that's the majority of what they're eating is fatty meat and uh and then some like locally grown wine and that's it and these people are extremely healthy and uh you know very happy very family oriented sort of people that's another thing too um you know in the outliers book by uh Malcolm Gladwell you know he looked at a lot of these places too and why they live so long and that well maybe it's genetic and they go to these different areas they have those populations come over to America and they're like yeah they don't have the same longevity and what they've what they found the difference was is that you know back home in Europe where they where this is sort of a blue Zone um there's a strong sense of family and Community you know there's there's often three even four generations of people living in the same household at all times you know and if not their whole family's you know just down the block right so that very very tight-knit unit and community and and he felt that that had had a large uh thing to do with this so then you look at the other uh Blue zone areas they pick Loma Linda uh which they say is the you know Seventh-Day Adventists uh and seven day dentists they they're all vegans they're all plant-based that's not true some more you know not everyone are I are but I you know I literally just spoke to uh someone who's in The Seventh-Day Adventist Church uh right now and uh you know grew up in The Seventh-Day Adventist Church his dad is is a you know member in good standing and you know it works with them and he was just like yeah we all eat meat everyone needs to eat there's maybe five percent of The Seventh-Day Adventists who are like these crazy whack job hardcore vegans you know that's it but that is what the church preaches they say you should be plant-based you should not eat meat but like everyone does you know and so um and you know and a lot of these people are sick and they're overweight and they're unhappy and they're unhealthy and I've spoken to other ones that said that that you know actually there's there's a lot of you know chronic disease and autoimmune issues you know especially in the ones who eat a lot of plant-based sort of material um so no they're not all plant-based you know are they eating more plants in America maybe but what they're really doing is eating less processed food and also they're not smoking and they're not drinking and they're not having caffeine and they're not having any other stimulus because these are all against the tenants of the church and they don't do drugs they don't engage in you know uh you know you know high risk behavior you know who also does that the Mormons who have the exact same increased life expectancy uh as the seven-day Adventist and have no such dietary restrictions or compulsions and so you know they admit that one Okinawa they ate a lot of pig they eat a lot of pork they eat some yams or two fine that's okay they don't eat a bunch of processed garbage they're not eating a bunch of fructose high fructose corn syrup a lot of processed sugar and Seed oils right they're eating Whole Foods and they're eating a lot of meat so it's not because they're eating less meat first of all they eat more meat per capita than the rest of the Japanese population with whom they're compared to and compared to cats um yeah they eat a lot of yams too maybe a majority of their calories come from plants but they still eat more meat than they uh than uh other people and it's it's Whole Foods they're not eating this processed crap that did not exist a hundred years ago right so they're not putting things in their body that did not exist hundred years ago so they're in there in the camp post agricultural camp right they're five inches shorter their brains are smaller they're weaker they're more likely to get sick and die young but they're not like in the insane disease state that the majority of the world is finding themselves in now and then you know and you could just go on like this on all their examples of the blue zones and there's so many critiques on the blue zones because there's so much to critique on the blue zones but one thing that they don't uh you know obviously there's a lot of um there's a lot of native populations who maybe they have a lower average life expectancy from birth you know beside they say oh they only live to 60. no that's average life expectancy from birth and when you when you're having babies out in the in this you know in the savannah when lions and hyenas are running around and the infant mortality rate is Sky High and you have to fight off lions from eating your cattle or your family with a stick right your life is a little different isn't it and so you might die from other causes and so it's not that they're like just getting knocked off from from heart disease extraordinarily healthy people and when they die of old age it's at extreme age the Native Americans in the 1800s they're routinely living well over 100 as fit healthy active adults living in a stone age fashion right no none of the Comforts of of modern society and Medicine you know much to their benefit and you know and they were eating largely just Buffalo and they were they were known to be their studies showing that they were the the tallest population on Earth not anymore average height of a population denotes the average health of the population and the Native Americans who were eating basically just a 100 carnivore diet maybe a bit of berries and a couple things here and there but mostly just pemmican and buffalo and you know they were the tallest human beings on earth right and they were also extraordinarily healthy lived extraordinarily long lives and so you know they're not looking at those populations and look like wow do you have a whole bunch of people living over 100 years old that's amazing they didn't look at those right but let's just look at the ones that we have you know uh government issued um government issued uh birth certificates that we trust and shouldn't trust it from a lot of countries but um from Hong Kong I think you can trust them and Hong Kong has the highest life expectancy from birth of any uh of any you know you know modern population period and they eat more meat per capita than any other modern population either so you know why wasn't that included in the Blue Zone why wasn't that you know um I wasn't that looked at as saying hey actually this goes against that so maybe it's not the plans maybe it's something else that they're doing maybe it's they have you know strong family commitments maybe they're there are uh just omitting processed foods and in a lot of places they're actually eating more meat than the populations around them and and certainly cutting out a lot of processed garbage I don't even know how much processed garbage Hong Kong is cutting out you know it's a major as you know it's major Metropolitan City so they're probably they have full access to high octane crap as well and they're eating a lot of meat on top of that and they live longer than than everyone else so there are a lot of problems with the blue zones and uh they're definitely not plant-based and and the people living over 100 it's not because they are not eating meat it's because they're not eating other crap and living their life in a much better way in other regards great it's so impressive how you have all these facts and fear I just want to say this real quick I wish I mentioned this on our other video there's a link in the description that we did a week ago but the other video we did wasn't live and Dr chafee didn't see any of these questions so when he's and he didn't see any of these questions today either so when he's rattling off these facts and figures and truth that's that's pretty impressive uh that last video really resonated with people so there's a link down in the description below uh how about we do maybe one more and then I'll jump over to the comments and again lots of new people on here A whole bunch of people if you have any arguments against the carnivore diet or reasons that you didn't want to start the carnivore diet please try to leave those in the comments maybe a big cue next to them and we'll tackle some of those next so here's one more if the carnivore diet is so good why are there no peer-reviewed studies to back it up and are there any legit studies that actually support carnivore so um depends on the journals you're reading so there was a study done specifically on you know modern day Americans who are carnivore done by Harvard and it's peer-reviewed and um with over 2 000 participants and people say like oh well this is just a survey people ask questions of it like yeah that's how nutritional research is is done you know that that's that's how they do it you know all those studies that say like oh more fiber is better and more you know vegetables is better than this is how they did it you know they asked people what they were eating and what their medical issues were that's that's it you know and so you know this is this is actually this is actually more rigorous than most of those things and it's certainly much more honest because the authors uh were not you know thinking that they were going to get this answer they were they were actually probably looking like oh let's let's show the harm this is causing right you can you can read the shock in the in the authors uh you know Minds when they're writing this they're they're really surprised at the massive positive results everyone improved right and something like you know that massive numbers like the vast majority of people it you know improved or or put into remission their type 2 diabetes their autoimmune issues corrected blood pressure collected uh corrected uh blood tests in other regards as well and the vast majority of people did that and so you know that has already been done and it's great because that opens the door and gives it some legitimacy and opens the door to other bigger studies possibly Interventional studies which I think would be very important um and but you know there are tons and tons of studies that that you know you can clean information off of first of all there are thousands of studies now going over decades actually really 100 years looking at ketogenic diets and how this helps massively with health well what is a carnivore diet carnivore that is a ketogenic diet is a more stringent ketogenic diet it's not only are you cutting out carbs you're also cutting out the rest of the plants too and the fats that you're getting in to raise up your ketones or animal fats they're not not plant oils and Seed seed oils and things like that so it's just a more Whole Food natural optimally um designed ketogenic diet so there are tons of studies showing you you have massive health benefits from ketogenic diets which a carnivore diet is or should be and you know and then and then other studies showing that you know just getting rid of seed oils gives a massive massive boost to health and you know maybe even you know can help reverse a lot of issues and diseases as well so you can you can glean a lot of information from that and then you look at studies uh just looking at what humans ate in our biology and our our you know the anthropology and uh paleoanthropology and looking okay what did humans actually eat well what we've been eating for the past two million years is what we're supposed to eat what lions have been eating for the last two million years is what lions are supposed to eat well koalas have been eating for the last however long they've been eating eucalyptus is what they're supposed to eat right so this is this is what you're biologically designed and adapted to eat you can't eat something for two million years survive as a species and Thrive as a species if you are not already biologically evolved to it and designed to to eat it or you have them become optimized to it it just doesn't work like that that's just not how biology works and so I've heard this this argument from Simon Hill which I just thought was insane they said oh yeah well you know yeah you know I'm not arguing that you know people you know have been eating meat for two billion years but you know it's probably not optimal probably sub-optimal this thing that we've never eaten before in human history that I you know that that's definitely better uh because you know some study said so like I just don't care you know you don't understand biology from a fundamental level if we've been eating meat for two million years even if we didn't start out as it being optimal for us it definitely would have become optimal for us that's just how biology and evolution work and so you know it's um it's a bit Preposterous to say that what we've been eating for two million years is not what we are designed to eat and what we would be benefited to eat can we use plants as medicine sure can we use it as a as a crutch to get us through a famine absolutely and we have and I think that's a that's a serious survival Advantage but that doesn't mean that it's optimal right and so um you know so there it just depends on journals you're reading so you need to go to First principles you need to look at biology biochemistry at organic chemistry understand botany that's a big one you know understand how our bodies work understand what we are designed to eat and then you know and then you don't you don't need anything else I mean that's that's really fundamentally what it comes down to uh but there are there are a lot of stuff that's what people say well show me the study that that proves this straw man argument that I'm going to put out there right now it's like well that's not how this works you know there are a lot of there's a lot of information but it's all coming from different directions to then you know piece together into the whole but I think the fundamental one is you're looking at what what we've been eating for two million years and you know since the dawn of man depending on when you think that is you know what have we been eating this whole time it's for the most part been meat and that's what we've thrived on you know when during the ice ages what what plants were available to eat exactly you know what were people eating when they crossed the land bridge through the Arctic Circle in the last last ice age to cross from Asia to North America what what what yams were available then you know where where was the honey and fruit and Manna From God you know no there was you there was meat and that's what you were eating and you know you cannot just barely survive an ice age right you know if you know Simon Hill theory of like oh well everyone was just dying and getting heart disease and cancer and all that stuff no no no record of that absolutely no evidence of that it's pure supposition that is a pure pure pure uh accusation with baseless accusation um you know all these people were just dying off and things like that getting cancer and all that sort of stuff no because if they were they would be too sick to survive and thrive during an ice age you cannot just eke out in existence you know a bunch of people on life support and chemo are not making it through an ice age when you have to hunt mammoths and fight off saber-toothed cats and Ice Bears and things like that you know like that's not that's not going to work so if you are if you do not you thrive you are going extinct during an ice age and we not only thrived we dominated we went all over the globe and absolutely dominated every other animal species that is how you become an apex predator we are the apex predator of apex predators we eat regularly all other apex predators at least we used to before a lot of these things were put on on the endangered list so you know that is um that's what you really need to understand you need to go to First principles think about our physiology our biology our biochemistry and uh you know and our evolutionary history it's pretty straightforward we were eating meat we're eating plants too sometimes not during the ice ages sorry sorry to break it to you and um and in a lot of areas even when we did have plants available like the Plains Indians and the aboriginals in Australia there are many records that are very clear that even when there's plants available they chose to eat meat instead and people in southern Canada what is now Southern Canada during the colonial period uh there are many accounts I mean I read these in high school talking about how like well look it's it's covered in ice you know nine months out of the year so granted you can't grow crops you know during that time you have to eat meat but you know surely during that three months you could you could live off the land right and and they said but yet they don't they only eat meat they only hunt they continue to only hunt and it just blew these guys mind they were like why would you live like that that's crazy because it's the healthiest way to live that's why and you know it's the best way to do it and so you know even then even when they had access to plants they weren't they weren't using them unless they had to unless they were starving or needed needed to use them medicinally and those are just the facts and the facts of the facts great man we have almost 1200 people here on my side wow yeah so many great comments we really appreciate all the comments uh Dr chafee you have your YouTube channel and the podcast I was just going to mention to people we're getting some questions that are just sort of personal carnivore questions and then we're getting some that are more arguments kind of looking for more of the arguments but if you have the if you have the questions you're doing lots of q a live streams is that right Dr chafee um I'm more recently yeah and I want to do them more regularly so I'm like Friday morning first time Thursday evening uh USA time I'll be I'll be doing a regular regular spot um like I did this past week and so I'm gonna start doing that that sort of regularly great yeah so be sure to check out his channel so now I'm gonna jump into a few uh questions and arguments from the viewers uh let's see we got quite a few here oh here's one uh why do we have canines I hear this one a lot are teeth show that we're supposed to eat vegetables and not meet oh well I mean you know that that that's the thing too and and um you know people say well we have canines and that means and we must eat meat um and people say well we don't have canines like you know a dog does or a lion does well and and then again and then these same people think that you should feed uh your dogs and cats with big fangs plant-based diet and that's best for them too is there's a lot of there's a lot of issues there um we have uh we have primate teeth we are primates right and so we have teeth similar to other primates and then we we've just sort of changed biologically in in One Direction or another right um we do not have big large fangs like uh a wolf or a lion and that's because we don't kill things with our mouths right so we develop tools we developed our brains our brains grew exponentially when we became first of all it was growing bigger and bigger as we were eating more meat and then it exponentially grew when we became apex predators and uh because we're getting extremely highly nutritious food and we had to be smart about it we had to use tools we had to survive during really nasty times we didn't have big thick woolly fur we didn't have big claws and teeth that we could just tear down and just rip down a mastodon and eat it you know we had to we had to figure out how to outclass an animal that dominated us on every physical metric you know I mean we figured out how to go into the ocean and take out whales for God's sakes I mean this is this is this takes a lot of strength and a lot of intelligence and a lot of tools right we had to figure out how to build a damn ship and all the equipment and things like that to go wailing so this takes a lot of intelligence and so it you know it's selected and designed for intelligence as well as strength and as well as size we got taller we got stronger we got smarter and we developed more tools and that's why we live in houses and lions don't because we develop the intelligence to make these tools and tactics to take down these animals where a line just needed its physical characteristics it didn't need to to be smart enough to figure out how to do it had to be smart enough to be able to know where the food was and how to get it and how to survive but it didn't need to be so much more intelligent they had to be able to figure out um tricky ways to get around the fact that we don't have big claws in teeth so we have primate teeth with carnivorous adaptations to our species so our teeth are smaller than a gorillas right because you know as we're eating softer and softer food our teeth are getting softer and softer we're not chewing on sticks all day like a gorilla right gorilla has massive teeth big old fangs too big old canines right you look at it you look at a gorilla showing us fangs it has big fangs they're herbivores right they only eat plants they'll get some bugs with the plants they eat their own feces as well because that's the only way they can get B12 because no B12 does not come from plants and it doesn't just come from the bacteria in the dirt it comes with bacteria in their colon but that's past where they can actually absorb B12 in their small intestine so they have to eat their own feces to then put that back through for another pass and get those nutrients that weren't there the first time right any any vegan wants to do that you can do that I'm just going to stick with steak right right and um you know and so we're not chewing on sticks all day so we have smaller smaller teeth smaller smaller Jaws smaller muscles of mastication or temporalis muscle right in a gorilla when you look at a girl's head it's a big head his brain's tiny it's small it's actually the smallest for its size of any primate most of that bulk in its head is not skull it's those it's those chewing muscles and that attaches to a ridge down the middle here and so this big big clump of muscle there and so uh we didn't need to do that we're eating soft and softer food and all that stuff is shrinking down and our digestion changed dramatically as well but that's that's the answer for the teeth we if you look at primate teeth you go to the zoo sometimes they'll have models up of chimpanzees and and gorillas and things like that you'll see it's like this is this is sort of similar they're much bigger and they actually have big pointier fangs and things like that but that's that's what it is we have primate teeth that have evolved in the direction that we evolve which is eating meat got it we had a couple super chats here's from Barry Simon thank you guys thank you so much for the super chats too any super chats I get on my channel they all go towards the carnivore diet documentary so I really appreciate that is grass finished measurably better to eat kind of a question there but then this other one I get a lot of people weary about starting carnivore because they're worried about fiber issues how do you offset constipation issues sure so uh yeah grass finished uh it is or you actually can measure how much better it is it um it it quite often will have you know any number of times more uh nutrients especially the micronutrients like you know the vitamins and minerals and things like that that come with it um you look at I've spoken to some regenerative ranchers and um you know their their beef is four or five times more nutritious has four or five times more vitamins and minerals than than you know what would be published in uh you know in the data in the normal stuff that you get at sort of a Safeway or something like that um and uh you know but but grass finished isn't necessarily regeneratively raised so you know if you have you know you're rotating you know pastures and and then the grounds is getting more and more fertile and more and more abundant you can and more more healthy than the cows are going to get more and more healthy and nutrient dense as well and so if they're doing that in that manner they'll be even more uh nutritionally dense um but at the end of the day you know even even the Safeway beef is extremely nutrient dense it's more nutrient dense than anything else you'll eat certainly than any other plant on Earth and it's completely bioavailable as well so the vast majority of people do not only just find you amazingly well on just store-bought you know grain finished beef there are more nutrients and they were generally raised animals there I mean that's just that's just the objective reality and there's a different complement of fatty acids as well you know those were better fatty acids more Omega-3s things like that let's omega-6s um and uh it's more like branched chain amino acids for some reason in the in the the grain finished Cows as well some people think that that's not a good thing I don't know I I don't I don't know of any rigorous studies on that I've only seen sort of um associative studies with that so I don't know uh and certainly not on carnivores but either way you know um it is different but does that make a marked difference in your health we don't have great studies on that the studies that we do have generally are people in a mixed diet is one of the second grass-fed and finished and you know who knows what grass finished is you can you can actually say something is grass fed uh if it's ever eaten grass in its life because that's just how they Market these things uh so you have to you have to know that this is 100 grass-fed and finished um and uh you know so some of these studies you know depending on you know their their end points and end markers didn't didn't really see too much of a difference in health between one or the other that's not to say that there isn't one it's just we don't really have a study that's been designed in that manner but there is an objective difference absolutely most people do just fine if you if you're eating just Safeway beef I mean I'm mostly Costco beef and because that's what I have access to I can't really get you know grass we're generally raised things out here I'm trying to source that sort of stuff I might have to get it shipped over from the East Coast from uh my friend um you know Wilkie from Wilkie farms uh because he does exactly that and he has you know super highly nutritious uh you know animals out there but [Music] you know I've checked my Bloods I've checked the Bloods of my patients and you know checked their vitamins and minerals and things like that they're all in optimal ranges and in much better ranges than the normal uh the normal good range of like oh well it's it's in ranch so it's fine most people are vitamin deficient and mineral deficient and so that reference range is actually too low and so if you actually want to look at optimal range like this is the best this is where you want to be for good health that's a very different range and so that's what I look at and it's um and then and they're at least approaching that on a carnivore diet just eating you know Costco beef or whatever um and that's what I'm doing and my all my numbers are right up there in that that optimal range so um some people will be a bit different some people especially with like the MTHFR Gene I've spoken to you know sort of a several people a growing number of people now especially who have that they can't metabolize folate as well and they seem to get you know symptomatically low folate a lot of people will have sort of just an off number on their or folate or something like that and they're not really symptomatic with anything you know I still tell them probably top it up just you know because um but some people are symptomatic they don't feel their best and so you know maybe they might need uh to get that grass finished or or maybe add in a bit more liver which is what which is even more nutrient dense and so just something to think about but you know if if you're if if that's all you can afford and that's all you have access to that's it's still amazing you know it's still better than anything else it's like silver metal at the Olympics right so grain finish got silver metal right silver metal loss to the gold medalist right but silver medalists also beat everyone else on Earth so it's still the better option if you can't get grass-fed and finish how do you offset constipation you eat more fat if you're getting constipation it means you are not eating enough fat I did a whole video on this basically says you don't need fiber it's called fiber constipation and diet and it just goes through how our digestion works and how it's actually run by fat and we only have a limited capacity to absorb fat based on the amount of bile on our liver and or that our liver produces and um after you've absorbed all the fat you can with the bottle that you have available it's very difficult to absorb fat so the vast majority of it will go out right like you know 85 90 will go out and that is what keeps your stool soft and so if you're not getting as much fat as your body wants your body will absorb every ounce of fat that you're eating none will go out the other side it will get all dried and Rocky and hard and not fun but if you are eating more fat than your body can absorb first of all it's not too much there's no such thing as too much if you're not absorbing it it just goes out right and this is actually what people say oh I'm getting diarrhea on a carnivore diet so people get worried about going into it with car with constipation and then they go into and go my God I can't leave the bathroom you know and so you get you get the other side of it and that's because they're eating a lot more fat or normally they're still drinking coffee and using artificial sweeteners which are both laxatives um so but I you know regardless if you're getting constipated and constipation you have to Define your terms because most people think well if I haven't just gone to the bathroom daily then I'm constipated that means I'm blocked up no that does not mean that you're absorbing 98 of the meat that you eat you can't absorb any fiber so all of that comes out so we're just used to eating all this bulk that has to come out has to come out so people are you know they're going to the bathroom a few times a day and they're like oh that's normal I didn't go today I didn't go to I've talked to some people and they're they get so worried about this they're giving themselves laxatives they're giving themselves enemas I'm like okay is there a big clog coming out well no it's just all liquid like then you didn't need to go there's nothing there there's nothing blockable but I'm blocked up well but you're not blocked out because no blockage came out right it was all liquid it doesn't liquefy this stuff it just just moves it right that's what relaxative does and so you know you will absorb 98 of the meat that you eat if you're not eating it with plants that will disrupt the absorption of the meat that you're eating and so you will just go less often because you will have less waste right but it should still be soft so constipation is by the Bristol stool chart right so that's um that that's consistency not timing not frequency right so as long as it's soft you're not constipated if it's drying hard that's constipation you need to eat more fat got it less waste in less less waste out that's it here's another one another Super Chat thank you so much and this one is is uh a little off topic but kind of not because a lot of people are worried about carnivore long term in Dr Chaffey you've been doing carnivore for a while so this person was asking uh could you compete now at the same level you did at 25 physically and how do you think you will hold up physically into your 50s 60s and 70s well I don't have to guess because I I did it you know my um you know when I went back on a carnivore uh two weeks after being back on a carnivore diet when I'm when I realized this is what I was doing in my early 20s when I absolutely felt like a superhero and and you know performed physically like one um I was just like right that's what I was doing I knew it I knew plants were trying to kill me get rid of these stupid things I just I just ditched them and I realized like this is actually our biologically appropriate diet this makes sense now and everything started started making sense to me as a doctor as a biologist and from my own experiences right and so you know I always remember looking at that period that five year period in my life is just like I just felt like a absolute just demigod you know and it was just like I was like what was so special about that I always think back about that because I was like I was like well I wasn't drinking I'd stop drinking during the rugby season at the same time I had stopped eating plants and I had just obviously had a huge benefit from stopping drinking that made a massive difference but I just all of the benefits I attributed to that and um and that was a big part of it you know it comes from Plants you know so we want to get rid of those plants but um you know it wasn't all of it and so you know the rest of the the rest of the time in my late 20s you know when late 20s early 30s when I was still playing rugby at a very high level I did not feel the same way I was still not drinking during the rugby season I never drank during the rugby season it was very rarely and and I just figuring out well I'm just older now I'm over 25 you're just dying you just start dying after 25 it's not the case and um and so when I was 38 and I came back on this and I was overweight out of shape had just been in Bangladeshi humanitarian work and was certainly not working out while I was over there hadn't played a full season of rugby in three years they've been helping out with family uh Health Emergency and uh and really just you know just doing that and focusing on on my family and I felt so good after two weeks and I just I just felt so amazing I was just like this is this is incredible I wasn't getting sore after working out I lost 23 pounds in 10 days and then I just started just stacking on muscle I was doing crazy workouts I was doing 20 sets of of everything couldn't get sore I ended up pushing myself doing 32 sets of squats just to see if I could wear myself out I couldn't and I still wasn't sure the next day which out of everything I say that seems to piss people off the most you get sore I'm like I don't I don't I'm sorry you know you won't either if you just stop beating plants mostly carbs that's mostly grain and cars and things like that that seems to do a lot most of it and so you know what on that time I did 32 sets of squats um but the next day I wasn't sore I felt great I was walking up the stairs two at a time just going just I hadn't done anything so I was like great let's go hiking went hiking with a friend up this like three hour hike it was you know it was miserable felt fine it was no issue uh got to the top everything's fine came back down I was like yo I am just feeling amazing like you know it's Thursday night it's rugby practice tonight I'm going to play rugby and so I went back out with my my team the Seattle saracens are now the Seattle Sea Wolves it's their first year of going into Major League rugby and and now just turned professional so they had all these professional players from the US and other countries that were now playing there ended up winning the whole mlr uh that year and the next year which is fantastic and I was like yep going back out I'm playing some rugby and I was still very out of shape you know I'd only been you know on a carnivore die for two weeks and you know but I just felt so good I'm like I'm gonna push myself you know I remember this you know I could push myself I could just push myself as hard as I could and I could never wear myself out let's see if I can do that still 38 years old did that having not played a full season in three years and I was at a dead Sprint the whole time felt absolutely amazing I was stepper step with with everyone there who'd been training for months before that and I just felt great I didn't look great it was I did not look like I was in shape but I was able to compete just because of my diet two weeks after that we did a fitness test I've I've finished I think probably in the top five or ten out of 92 uh players on the team I'd only been running for two weeks it was all diet I just I just felt absolutely incredible um unfortunately uh later on the season I ended up uh hurting my knee and and flaking off some cartilage underneath my kneecap and just you know swelled up my knee had got an infusion and I I wasn't able to play unfortunately that really bummed me out but my body felt amazing and I was playing it you know in different games with saracens and the Canadian Premiership and and um you know and I just felt amazing my body felt I felt like I did when I was 22 except that had you know another you know 15 years of experience now you know it was and and you know more more you know bulk as I was still pretty bulky and I was trying to slim down and um you know and I I just felt absolutely amazing I felt like I was a kid again I felt better at 38. uh than I did at 28 playing in the Super League on back in San Diego you know I just I felt absolutely amazing and um and you know I kept I kept going like that so I was able to rehab my knee it got that better came down to Australia and uh started playing in the in the Western Australian um Premiership here with one of the teams um you know great group guys and um you know I I then had uh you know was in very good shape at that point had slimmed down was quite lean and muscular and I was I was you know 39 years old and I'm going and I'm pushing myself and I'm physically athletically speed wise endurance wise you know I was at the top of the pack and um and you know and then people sort of mentioned something about age and the guy that I played rugby with he was it was an Irish guy one of the other guys knew him and they're like yeah you know he's getting older now he's you know he's 35 and I'm like oh I'm 39. he's like you're 39 I was like yeah it's like you didn't know that he's like Jesus and so that that sort of sent ripples around they're like holy crap they're like okay we're really gonna actually pay attention about this carnivore diet now because you're you know you're 15 you know 20 years older than a lot of these guys and and you know you're you know very fit very strong very fast and unfortunately I had my other knee flaked off cartilage and had the same sort of a fusion and problem and I wasn't able to finish that season and um uh since then I have not had the time to get back into it um but I absolutely feel fantastic um physically I can still lift weights for hours you know even though my knees hurt because I have arthritis under my kneecaps bone on bone arthritis under my kneecaps the rest of the knee is pristine the rest of my joints throughout my body are pristine uh that unfortunately is not pristine but I have a lot of pain and it just doesn't really bother me it's much less than if I were eating other things that pain would be much more but like physically athletically if it wasn't if it wasn't for the fact that my knee would swell up if I you know Sprint or anything like that um I would be there right now playing and hitting people I cannot tell you how good that would make me feel to just smash somebody you know what we feel because that was just my that was like my joy in life was doing that um but you know I mean just today I went and went sprinting um you know doing hill Sprints stair Sprints and things like that it's all fine so you know as long as my knee doesn't blow up I feel fantastic so you know uh to answer that question I I feel fantastic I expected my 50s 60s and 70s I'll feel exactly like this um and uh hopefully there's some sort of miracle cure at that point I can regrow some cartilage and uh you know if it can I mean I'll be in my 50s smashing some heads you know it'd be amazing it won't be in it won't be in the 50s and older club either like I'll be there you know uh you know mixing it up with the young guys yeah everyone yeah it's uh I gotta show you this picture Dr chafee so I did an interview with this gentleman Alex from the UK um and it's pertinent to this comment in the 50s 60s and 70s hopefully this will show up okay here we see this picture this guy is a carnivore for over a year now his name's Alex I just did a video with him you see the after picture on the right you want to take a guess at how old that that gentleman is on the right well it looks like he's about well you could be anywhere from late 20s to 35. um but you know obviously loaded question because that's that's the guy on the left as well who looks well older than that but he looks like he's he could be anywhere from 28 to 35. I love it so we had a we had our triplets uh 16th birthday party yesterday we had about 50 people over I told Alex I'm like dude I hope I'm not freaking you out but I'm showing everyone your picture the guy on the right that version of Alex is 65 years old Jesus it's unbelievable it's absolutely I did a one-hour interview with him and just talking to him I'm like first I'm like okay this is BS you photoshop this photo and I want to see your passport identification I talked to this guy for an hour and he just has the most inspirational story defying aging so to Bishop's deep learning question about 50s 60s and 70s check out Alex it's it's unbelievable doing Carnival for over a year changed his entire life so much energy just talking to him on the phone too he he's he sounds like he's in his 30s or 40s he's just just full of life and energy it's like he's giving himself a new life at 65. he's got a whole another Life to Live Now versus before where he was having a mobile mobility issues and pains and arthritis and inflammation and all those things so yeah yeah it's funny yeah well it is funny I mean because he does not look that old and um and so that that's that's absolutely fantastic you know I mean we think about what what are you going to be in your 50s 60s and 70s what were the Native Americans doing the 56 and 70s and you know at 100 110. they were still living a stone age Nomads right running around with a pack on their back following the Buffalo herds right you can't you know you sink or swim out there right and so you know uh people can look at the interview I did with Maggie white who's been a Rancher and a carnivore for over 65 years so she's just just through pure preference she just never wanted to eat anything except me growing up and she really fought with her parents as a kid and eventually parents were like look she hates eating anything else she's healthy and strong let's just let her just do what she wants so she's basically been eating Carnival her her entire life after adolescence and certainly all of her adult life all of her adult life because she ended up dropping out of veterinarian school at UBC up in Vancouver uh when she was um you know just just a late teenager I think she started college early it was you know as an undergraduate program then so she was like you know 17 18 something like that and uh and she just said you know actually I don't why I don't want to help treat other animal other people's animals I want my own animals she really loved animals and and um you know big animals and things like that so she just you know quit school and went worked on a ranch hand um became a cowboy as her words she says if you're if you're working cattle you're a cowboy man or woman you're a cowboy and so she went out and became a cowboy and she was hundreds of miles away from civilization and she said that the only thing that you ate is what you grew or raised right and so they had meat available because they were raising cattle but if you wanted vegetables or fruit you had to grow it yourself and she's like I'll be damned if I'm gonna work to eat vegetables like I don't want to eat vegetables I'll just eat the meat thank you and so she did and so she just continued to just eat a meat diet she raised 10 kids on a meat-only diet on her Ranch and she is 82 years old now she's five foot ten she still has blonde hair she's I didn't see any Grays in her hair and that's her hair and her picture looks like she's maybe in her 50s like in like a good 50. like a good 50 you know and she's 82 years old she's still working you know she's still working 14 hour days in blizzards you know I was talking to her on Christmas last year and she was we were trying to you know set up an interview and she was just like you know how hey I'm really sorry you know it's been like a 14 hour day we had a blizzard come through it was minus 40 and we were like you know you know I had to do these things to save the cows where the cows you know will die you know and so they uh you know they were just just working on Christmas you know all hours of the day and night uh because that's what you do she just bought another uh Ranch down in uh Colombia to sort of save a family farm down there and so they did a sort of a rescue operation because they wanted to um and uh and they have like you know plantains and bananas and coffee and things like that she's 82 years old and she's she was emailing me talking about how she's climbing up 20 30 foot trees to cut off Bunches of bananas lower them down to the ground and then carry them you know up a hill to get to the truck so they can take it to Market at 82. right you know what I mean most 20 year olds aren't able capable of doing that these days you know and um you know so she so that's what you're going to be like in your 80s right and you know and like I said you know Native Americans were living well over a hundred we are biologically genetically designed to live 120 years based on the length of our telomeres that's what I was taught in genetics and you know so 80 years old is literally middle-aged right certainly 60 is and so you know and that's what she said she's like look I'm middle aged that's it I've still got a lot of life left in me I've still got a lot of work left in me up you know the stuff this stuff makes me happy this is what I'm going to keep doing um I had another um just another quick anecdote with which is uh a friend of mine who works in uh geriatrics here in Perth she had a patient who was 86 years old had checked himself into a nursing home basically because he couldn't take care of himself at home anymore and his family couldn't either and so he checked himself into a nursing home basically to die yeah and that's that's what that is you know you you can't take care of yourself anymore so you're just sort of waiting out your time and I was very sad so he somehow came across my videos and he decided to go carnivore just a sort of last-ditch effort of of getting his independence back within three months he was not only back living at home fully independent but he was lifting weights three days a week swimming twice a week and had come off all medications at 86. wow that is I'm nuts literally aging backwards literally turning back the clock and carrying himself with these major issues and giving himself his independence back is that there's there's no greater gift than your Independence absolutely that that's been one of the most sort of touching things with carnivore for me I've had so many comments on my channel from people in their 60s 70s and 80s thriving on Carnivore uh over and over again uh that's going to be a big part of the carnivore diet documentary we're going to talk about obesity diabetes stomach issues IBS autoimmune disorders but aging is a huge one because who isn't worried about getting older and slowing down and I'm hearing story after Story like Dr chafee just said of people that are it's not an issue for them it's and these people are saying it was the inflammation it was the food I'm eating it's slowing me down it's causing me to have arthritis it's causing me to have aches and pains and you don't have to have those things so yeah that's that's just amazing all right I want to be respectful of your time Dr Chaffey do you want to do a couple more yeah I'm good man I've got I've got time so wow this is awesome there's so many comments here though so there's no way we're going to be able to get to all of them but like I said I've got Dr chafee's YouTube channel below maybe uh hit him up on one of his live q and A's he is coming up here's one uh another Super Chat thank you can the planet support 8 billion humans eating a carnivore diet oh yeah absolutely so you guys should look up uh Dr Peter balderstedt b-a-l-l-e-r-s-t-e-d-t um I I've interviewed him I think that's that's quite a good interview I've seen a lot of his talks and I was extreme I was very impressed by him um he's uh he's a PhD in Forge Agronomy he works in this field he really understands the ins and outs of how uh you know cattle and livestock affect the environment actually how they significantly and benefit it and actually help plant agriculture crop agriculture commercial mono cropping is extraordinary extraordinarily detrimental so it and so I have an interview with him and we cover quite a lot there and so that will answer all of your questions and you'll just be like this is this is what we have to do not only can the planet support 8 billion people eating carnivore diet uh it has to it's not going to support 8 billion people eating a plant-based diet we have about 50 more growing Cycles before we've completely destroyed the Integrity of our of our soil top soil and uh and and growing surfaces it is devastating to the land uh to grow these crops in the way that we are we lose about 27.5 billion tons of topsoil per year because of our farming techniques and we're just tilling up all this all this land and the top soil is getting blown away it takes 500 years to grow a centimeter of topsoil that is that is a that is a limited resource that will go away so 27.5 billion tons of topsoil that's an area the size of Kentucky every single year right and so that's a Vanishing resource and um you know I'm not saying this other other people are saying this that there are about 50 growing Cycles left before we've completely cashed out uh the uh the Integrity now for any sort of commercial purposes anyway and so um it's it's and you cannot have plant agriculture without animal agriculture it's the animal uh you know manure and uh and some of the the waste products of their of their bodies like the bone meal and things like that bone and blood that go into the fertilizer and that's what puts the nutrients back in the soil that the plants then take out of the soil and and then we eat them but I mean the the land is getting so deplete in this that like the spinach of the 1950s had three times the nutrients that it has now right and so you know that that's across the board for plants they're so nutrient deplete now and so you know it's um it's actually imperative that we started eating more animals because that's going to give more manure that's going to actually make the land better people like Alan Savory Dr Alan savory who's written books on this textbooks on this they've been doing this for 40 years taking herds of animals through a bunch of moving like like a migrating herd it's reversing deserts right so the animals don't turn land into deserts the lack of animals turn land into deserts there's there's a symbiosis there's a symbiotic relationship between plants and animals they need to be able to eat down you know the the the dead dying overgrown uh you know grasses and things like that so that the new Sprouts can grow um that the Hooves need to go in and just dig up the turf a little bit so that seeds that roll through they're rounds they don't just just keep rolling get washed away with the rain they actually get stuck there and then they can actually grow and uh and then the the water actually pools and sinks and actually gets into the ground instead of just washing away washing away washing away so there's a lot of things that go into and animals are so important to this and so you know also when you think about it where are we growing crops we're growing on arable land right so it's just flat land that you can uh also grow put cities on because that's what we do that's what competes with Farmland is uh is is is cities right because you have big flat areas you can build a whole bunch of houses and buildings right harder to do that in mountains um that accounts for about four percent of the Earth's surface arable land including oceans obviously so the entire surface of the Earth about four percent of the entire Earth is arable land right not much in the grand scheme of things and we're losing an area of Kentucky of topsoil every year right but rangeland is like I think it's about 15 of the Earth's surface uh Forest lands about uh 10 of the surface you don't need to run animals on arable land you have to grow crops on arable land but you can run cattle through rangeland and through uh Forest right so the rest of the land we can actually run animals through and we can make that land much more habitable and much more fertile and much better able to grow more plants and support more animals I mean look at the Great Plains when there were hundreds of millions of Buffalo and probably over a billion other big large animals deer and Antelope and all these other sorts of things right the the land was so fertile that I mean it was just it was just one of the most one of the most fertile and verdant areas in the world and the grasses were so tall that there were descriptions of of the Explorers being able to tie the grass and Knots over their horse's head while on Horseback right they were saying it was like over nine feet tall so this is like you know in the middle of India like The Tall Grass were like you know tigers are hiding and things like that or you're walking through an elephant or something like that they were going through that with horses and they weren't able to even see above the grass they were like that's that's crazy and so the more animals there were actually the more fertile the land got and the more plant life it could support So in fact we have to eat more we have to raise more animals have to because the Earth will die out without more animals and so if we don't do that we will be in serious serious trouble got it all right here's one uh do you think this diet is optimal for All Humans is there a chance certain people are more adapted to eating plants the same way people can't digest Dairy yeah so um there are people that are more adapted to eating plants than other people you know people of European descent and other areas that have had access to or their ancestors had access to um uh agriculture for longer they're going to have different adaptations to defend themselves a bit better against these different defense chemicals that we find in in plants and the different disruptions to our our metabolism and our biochemistry that we get from eating this sort of junk but you know that's in comparison to people like the native Australians the Native Americans who are four times as likely when eating a western diet they're four times as likely to get obesity heart disease diabetes cancer and all the rest of the chronic diseases right but only when eating a western diet right and so you have to ask that sort of begs the question well what's a non-western diet what are they eating that we're not and vice versa well what what they were eating traditionally was just a high fat meat-based diet very little plants uh if they didn't have to use them medicinally or for starvation purposes and that has changed and so they're not as adapted to that so they're much more uh damaged by them and they don't get as much nutrients out of them they're not as bioavailable to them so but what does that mean that does that mean does that change what's optimal for them and us no that just means that the sub-optimal things are less bad for us than it is for them right and so you know but that doesn't change what's optimal right so you know if if you know if Kerry was uh you know didn't get damaged as much by by you know like lead pipes or something like that you know as I did that did that doesn't mean that lead is good for Carrie it means it's less bad for him right but it's not like like leaded pipes are optimal for you for some reason it's just just because you get affected less than I do so optimal is a very different thing you know and you will never find two examples of uh two you know you'll never find an example in nature of two members of the same species who have different optimal diets those exist koalas eat what koalas eat lions eat what lions eat pandas eat what pandas eat blue whales eat what blue whales eat and so on like that is just that's just across the board why would we be the only exception to that rule now there are people that again can do can do better comparatively on Plants but that does not mean that those plants are optimal it just means that they're less bad got it good stuff all right maybe one more question uh yeah wow we got an hour and 40 minutes this has been great here's one more uh why do some people get low testosterone on Carnivore diet While others like yourself have optimal even when they're trying to just eat fatty meat sorry let me just read that why do some people get low testosterone carnivore diet uh While others like yourself have optimal even when they try yo that's a good question I mean I you know that's something that that some people have said I think you know um you know Dr saladino thought that his his testosterone may have gotten a bit wonky you know I mean uh Dr Baker uh publishes lab results and his testosterone was fine maybe it was just sort of you know a bit on the lower end but it certainly wasn't low uh look at the guy the guy the guy is not low testosterone you know the guy's a beast and one of the things that he pointed out was that when you're eating a lot of carnitine and other sorts of things you actually increase your testosterone receptors and so you don't need as much testosterone to get the same or greater effect and so that could very well be what's going on there is that you know just like and people pointed this out for um you know thyroid thyroid hormone as well um you know Professor Finney who has been studying ketogenic diets and how this affects our health for decades you know he he talks about this and how you know people's you know thyroid levels you know may go down a bit but they are completely asymptomatic they're actually you know better if anything and you know it goes into why you know this actually you actually don't need as much because your body's working more efficiently and effectively so that can happen as well you can also be eating things that can disrupt your your your system as well you know I mean there are people that eat copious amounts of organs I don't think you need to do that you know certainly certainly not eat more organs than you do normal meat because there is no more normal skeletal muscle meat and fat and there are organs by a long long margin and so it's it's very possible that if people are eating these things in abundance and they're getting you know hyper vitaminosis of one thing or another or or just you know too much of one thing that that can disrupt their metabolism and their hormones in one way or the other uh certainly can affect your your thyroid hypervitaminosis a was an abundance of vitamin A and liver so if you're just eating a just a butt load of liver you can you could get that you can and it's very hard to clear because vitamin A is fat soluble takes a long time to get rid of that and so you know hyper vitaminosis a is is a known cause of uh of uh suppressing TSH so as as you get even if you're getting sort of borderline higher uh vitamin A your Source going up a bit that can start suppressing your thyroid stimulating hormones so if you're suppressing your thyroid stimulating hormone you're not going to get the signal to to secrete more thyroid hormone right and so it's um you know your levels are going to go down but that doesn't mean that that's uh you know just because of a carnivore diet I mean you're doing something else you know so when when I sort of advise people to eat this way I tell them to be cautious about about organs and in proportion of the animal right if you're hunting you take down a deer it only has the organs that are in that deer it has a lot of meat otherwise see the most majority of which you're going to be eating is is the muscle meat with that it has one liver it has one heart it's got two kidneys it's got a spleen right so it's not going to have you know uh 50 of your meal should not be organs you know and it shouldn't certainly shouldn't just be liver every time you know what I mean and so people can get those sorts of problems I I mean I I think if I remember correctly um solidino's testosterone may have been may have been affected I don't actually I don't I I've seen a lot of people make that um statement like oh well why are people's testosterone's going down I've never first of all I haven't seen saladino's blood so I don't I don't know this for sure but um I think someone was saying that he did but I'm I you know don't quote me on that uh but literally I just really never seen anybody I've seen people say that I've never actually seen it it actually happened to anyone and in the hundreds of patients that I've uh put on this over the years I see the exact opposite I see their testosterone going up I see uh their thyroid normalizing I see their uh you know their B12 and their folate and magnesium and zinc and all these sorts of things going up going up and up and up and up and up and D3 and all these sorts of things and so you know I only see people getting better you know I've had um you know people that I've spoken to um and helped out uh who are athletes top athletes that have like literally doubled their testosterone you know one guy uh more than doubled his testosterone and uh you know like how how is that not like just the greatest Advantage as an athlete you know you you just without any sort of supplementation without any sort of over-the-counter or under the counter sort of uh supplements all of a sudden you've doubled your testosterone and likely your growth hormone and other sorts of things and done it in a physiologically balanced way that the whole body is tuned up to use this appropriately you know that is that is going to be a massive massive massive Advantage I have never seen someone's uh testosterone go down and their testosterones are going up and as Dr Baker said they're getting a lot of carnitine their testosterone receptors are going to go up as well so they're going to get even more bang for their Buck uh by by boosting uh their testosterone so you know some people say that but I have I have yet to see it and I've never seen it on someone who eats uh mostly skeletal meat and fat with some organs every now and then but not going outside of proportionality to the animal I've never seen that it's been my experience as well like you were saying earlier I I said this on some of my earlier carnivore update videos I feel like I'm super human uh I just yeah my testosterone levels I'm sure very high I'm going to do an update video where I get all my work done and share that but uh definitely feel a million times better wow this has been wonderful thank you so much uh I I feel bad because this just went crazy which is great reaching a lot of people which is the goal unfortunately there's just so many comments in there there's no way we'd ever be able to get to all of them but anyone that's from my channel Homestead how I highly encourage you go subscribe Dr Anthony chafee's Channel check out his podcast and uh hit him up on some of the Q and A's if you had a more of a personal carnivore question that we weren't able to get to here today and uh yeah this has been a lot of fun thank you Dr Anthony chafee yeah no you're very welcome thanks very much uh for for doing this with me I I think it's great we had a great turnout thank you everyone for uh for coming on this is uh massive I mean it's a huge amount of people I'm very sorry we couldn't get to every everyone's questions I I do wish we could sort of do like a lightning round and just sort of do at least like the super chats or something like that yeah yeah yeah let's do it do you want to try to do that I mean I'll I'll try and be brief like I know I'm not I know that's why we've run out of times because I take 30 minutes to answer a question I think we're seeing the same I don't know if I let me see out here's one I got that yeah I think I think this in the starred chats and in our review um that should be from both of our channels so we'll see the same stuff what's a good way to convince my mother who is going through chemo and radiation for breast cancer to eat keto or carnivore maybe some books or videos you can point me to uh yeah uh Professor Thomas Seyfried s-e-y-f-r-i-e-d he's a professor at Boston College and biology and teaches cancer biology he's he's published over 150 peer-reviewed uh studies and papers on cancer biology and keto um well over and um and so he really shows exactly you know the the cancer biology mechanism how the cancers feed on um on glucose as well as glutamine breast cancer there are studies there's one in particular looking at triple negative breast cancer which is an extremely aggressive form of breast cancer responds extremely well to a ketogenic diet so I uh so he has a book uh called I believe he has a book called cancer is a metabolic disease he has Talks on YouTube of the same description um he's had a lot of interviews I've interviewed him on my channel um which you know I think I thought that was a fantastic interview I thought I mean just because I just thought it was fantastic information that he was giving and uh so you can look that up and I have a lot of links in that description as well to his other works and things like that as well so I I would start there I would show her that interview um that on my Channel with him and if she's if she bites on that you might be able to get his book or you look at other resources from there but I think that's that's the best way to do it great another uh ten dollar Super Chat Bishop's deep learning thank you so much um well we got that one already infinite epic Super Chat thank you so much thank you and let's see here survived an aortic dissection in 2016 have no gallbladder had lost 30 pounds during carnivore last year but now the gallbladder issue seems to be causing problems how should I proceed um well it depends on what gallbladder problems you're having I mean you don't have a gallbladder so you know they shouldn't be causing your problems um but um you know when if you don't have a gallbladder really what you have to you're just going to have a problem absorbing fat your your liver will still make bile but it just sort of drips it out constantly over the day and night and and so you have to sort of catch it you know because you know your gallbladder stores it concentrates it and then spits it out in bulk uh to to absorb a big bolus of fat that you've been sort of waiting up for so if it's been five days it's gonna have five days worth of bile ready for you all concentrated ready to go because it still needs the same amount of fat whether or not you're eating and so that's how we get gallstones by the way is it just sits there we're not eating fat we're not eating fats not from eating too much fat is from not eating enough fat because that sits there and gets concentrated concentrated concentrated uh what does any hyper concentrated solution do at rest turns into precipitate turns into stones and crystals right and that's where the bile sludge is that's what gallstones are um and so you know if you don't have a of gallbladder then it's just going to drip out and so you'll probably have to if you eat a big meal of fatty meat you'll probably have diarrhea because a lot of that fat will come out and you won't be able to absorb it so we'll come out uh in that fashion um not everyone does though you know um and there they generally form what's called a pseudo gallbladder which is just sort of an outpouching the common bile duct it acts the same as a gallbladder sort of stores bile and can squish it out um so if you can eat a big large meal of fatty meat in one go and not get diarrhea fairly soon after that then you probably have a pseudo gallbladder and you can just eat you know you normally again that you know that that thing I don't know fiber fiber constipation and diet that sort of tells you how to figure out how much fat to get based on whether you're constipated or getting diarrhea and if you are can't eat a big meal and without getting diarrhea then you just need to split up your fatty meals throughout the day you need to space those out and eat the same amount but just split it up throughout the day to try to catch that bile as it's as it's constantly dripping out got it all right here's another one uh the part where you guys are talking about poison in moderation reminded me of a stream Dr chafee did recently where he told the story of an ancient Greek king and how he became immune to Hemlock yeah yeah well that was interesting there was a guy um I I can't recall his name at the moment but he was it was it was it was quite ironic and you know I laugh as sort of it was pretty nasty um he uh he was so paranoid about getting poisoned like getting food poisoning getting his drink poison and all this sorts of things that that happened a lot of people died from that uh you know in a position of power because someone wanted his spot and uh so he would he would microdose with Hemlock and other sorts of poisons uh and and just constantly do this because he did this for years and years and years and years and years and maybe survived some assassination attempts who knows but uh then he got invaded they got taken over he was sort of you know on the Run they sort of cat caught him and he's sort of penned up somewhere and he's just like okay they're gonna torture me and humiliate me I'm just I've just gotta I've just gotta end it and so he went to just like you know Socrates himself and you know get and drink a glass full of Hemlock and he had and it didn't kill him and he like he couldn't kill me he couldn't get he couldn't give himself enough poison to kill himself so they ended up catching him alive and and doing whatever they did to him unfortunately but um yeah so that was it he was able to build that up and you know that that's what that is it is a poison you know and you and you but you will build up a tolerance to it you know tiny little bits of the mouths of it that's what alcohol is you get really drunk the first time you do it or you get really high on heroin and then you know every time after that it's a little less a little less a little less until a point that you're just you know it takes a couple bottles until you get drunk because you're drinking a bottle every day and you know and then you don't drink for six months and you know it's not the same you know it doesn't it's not as it's not as difficult to get drunk anymore so there's that tolerance you know uh called harmesis if you want I don't I call that tolerance you know it's not hermetic because it's not giving you an overall benefit it's only giving you a benefit towards exposing exposure to that toxin that's not the same thing um but yeah so um that poison in moderation is a bit is a bit funny right speaking of funny I love the I love some of these names we got radioactive Brawn man thank you what about broths and spices in general is it fine to add spices mural POI for broths and meats I'm not familiar with miropoy but spices in general you know my I mean look people people do whatever they they want and you know and if this helps you do a carnivore diet and spice up some meat or something like that and that keeps you on on track you know by all means do it I feel a lot better without it and you know spices they have that strong flavor because your your brain is trying to warn you you know our our tongue and our brain are sophisticated machines and they can identify harmful toxins that that harsh intense taste that that is your brain screaming at you going spit this out do not eat this that's toxic get it out of there you know if you put a mouth full of pepper started chewing that up I mean you'd be spitting that out pretty quickly right we put a little bit on it and we say oh that's nice um I don't actually think it's nice anymore I actually prefer the taste of meat I don't like covering up the taste of meat uh if you've got to put a bunch of spices on meat and things like that probably not eating very good meat you know you should learn how to cook it better and make it nice because you you really enjoy the taste of meat um but for that reason because this these you are that harsh taste that that intense flavor is is is toxins that's what you're taste it and so I don't feel my best I don't like that so for me what I think is optimal and what I do for myself I think it's as important what not to eat is what to eat so you're eating meat you're eating fatty meat that's great but I don't eat any plants or fungus you know no uh sugar or artificial sweeteners nothing artificial right and that goes for sauces seasonings and drinks as well so that's for me that's how I feel my best most people will be able to tolerate spices just fine depending on your your heritage broths if it's a meat broth bone broth that sort of thing uh without a bunch of noodles and and uh you know celery and carrots and things like that uh would be great you know um I would avoid all the other things obviously I will say this depending on your heritage you should probably avoid spices as well so European ancestry and spices make me feel a bit crummy for an hour or two afterwards I don't like that I don't like feeling a bit crummy I want to feel my best all the time and uh but I have spoken to um a lady who's in my my challenge group my 30-day carnivore challenge group and she uh very nice lady she was a Native American actually um Inuit Heritage in Northern Canadian and uh you know just culturally they ate a lot of meat hunted and you know ate moose and things like that which is like the best tasting animal on Earth by the way everyone should try it so if they can again um and her daughter had a lot of of food allergies and food sensitivities that sensitive to poison I'm not I'm not you know shocked about that so she said for about 40 years they'd been carnivore they were just eating meat but they were eating spices as well so she used a lot of spices in her cooking but they only ate meat they didn't have any size so shoe dreams were 40 years she was in her mid 50s late 50s and she looked extraordinarily young for and healthy for her age but she said that she had actually Four autoimmune diseases you know which is quite surprising having been doing carnivore for 40 years but she was using spices and so she said she looked at my challenge I said and my thing is just basically you know the lat getting rid of the last five percent of of plants makes 95 percent of the difference and that's just been my my experience is that people get a big big bang for their Buck just getting rid of that last little bit of it and she was like well that can't be what it is that can't be what's causing my autoimmune issues the spices it's just spices I'm eating meat already she tried it for 30 days she dropped the spices and she's like damn it they're getting better and so so her as she actually put her autoimmune issues into her Mission just dropping spices so you know if you have if you come from ancestry that's that's had spices for thousands of years you're going to be a bit more tempered to that and if that if that makes you happy I would just be I would just be sparing with it and I would look to at some point cutting them out completely and just having a month 30 days of just of just meat and water you know maybe a bit of salt to taste but just meat and water nothing else and and just see the difference I think you will be surprised that you uh how much better you feel even without the spices all right uh started carnivore a few months ago from traditional keto love how I feel however I do miss nuts particularly macadamias do you ever eat nuts nope nope nope next question yeah uh you know look they're I mean they're plants so I don't eat plants you know and especially seeds and nuts grains beans legumes all these things are seeds right so that's a plant's baby everything protects this baby more than anything and so you know this is where you'll generally find the highest concentration of toxins plant toxins and so I I particularly don't eat uh nuts or seeds or anything like that yeah that was something I think that got me really bad on keto um I had way too many and then they're so easy to overeat as well but yeah I I know for certain I feel a million times better not eating them now yeah me too from Karsten Super Chat thank you how does carnivore help with debilitating chronic fatigue syndrome progress but still bad after 11 months ruminant carnivore uh well you know look there are a lot of different causes of these sorts of things we don't we don't really know I mean there's like Lyme disease there's a post viral fatigue syndrome there's uh a lot of other things as well so it really does depend on what's causing that um but it can help just because it's going to optimize your health in a lot of ways and it can help your body and your immune system fight off something that's lingering around if there is something or or try and bolster you up and try to rebuild after you know an insult that that's sort of torn you down um but these things can take time these things can take a lot of time the the good news is you have progressed that's a good sign you know progression uh in in the early stages which you're still in I'm sorry but 11 month is still is still early times um that's a good sign so progression in early stages is a good sign that you'll get you'll continue to get progression so just be patient with it you know look at that and go like hey I'm what am I able to do now that I wasn't able to do 11 months ago and and think positively about that uh once you're able to start exercising exercise especially weight lifting anaerobic exercise is is such a good stimuli for our bodies to to heal repair and to grow and actually age backwards to reverse aging um you you can lengthen your telomeres by exercising you will increase your testosterone you will increase your growth hormone and uh and reduce cortisol all of these things are conducive uh to Better Health and to more energy so when you're able to start lifting weights or doing push-ups even if it's just a few or a couple pull-ups or whatever body weight squats start doing it and start doing it more and more and more and more and more and the more you do the more you'll be able to do all right another Super Chat thank you Paul what advice would you have for someone struggling with binge eating food codependency uh well you know I think I think carnivore diet is is really good for that because you you don't have to limit what you're eating and you don't have the addiction craving that you do with uh with carbs and sugar and Seed oils and things like that so you just you just eat meat until it stops tasting good fatty meat until it stops tasting good and we'll stop tasting good now you may be used to eating larger portions and you say like okay well I I should make all this stuff because that's what I'm normally used to eating you'll find that you'll get to a point uh probably you know fairly soon into that meal that your body's telling you like oof this is just not enjoyable I don't like eating this I don't want to eat this it's not that you want to eat something we may want to eat something else I mean not that your body wants you to eat something else it said your body's telling you hey you don't need to eat anything else so it tastes bad right so meat starts it tastes amazing at first and then if you keep eating it past the point your body wants it because your body's very smart you have receptors in your stomach that actually track up to your brain to tell your brain how at the nutrients that are in your stomach right now says hey this is what we've got going here how much more do we need yeah we still need more keep bringing it keep bringing it keep bringing it okay stop and so that's what that positive feedback from from Good Taste is and then afterwards it goes away and it and it becomes negative impacted that feedback at that point so people can find that they're like oh my God I'm eating I got halfway through the meal and then it took me two hours to finish it and I sort of explained to them like no you were actually finished two hours ago your your body was telling you that so um you you get to eat exactly as much as is is nice to eat and then your body will naturally tell you to stop so just stop um carb cravings and sugar cravings sugar crabs in particular are an addiction just like you know nicotine or tobacco or nicotine or or caffeine or something like that I mean these things just they there are drugs and they give the dopamine response and they they have chemical addiction and uh but like any other drug you can beat it you know uh that chemical addiction goes away after a certain usually about two weeks you know so usually people sugar addiction carb addiction will you know sort of settles down or it goes away some people a little longer some people a little shorter but that's that's sort of a ballpark of what I've seen and if you're getting carb cravings and sort of really want to eat something maybe ask yourself am I hungry is my body telling me I'm hungry because your hunger signals will be very different you have to relearn your hunger signals on a carnivore diet because you're not deranging your hunger signals with a bunch of uh you know insulin and leptin and blocking leptin and and screwing with your blood sugars and things like that so just eat meat until it stops tasting good if you're getting carb Cravings or or sugar sugar Cravings ask yourself am I hungry try eating meat if it tastes good you're hungry keep eating me on meat until it stops tasting good and and just look for the light at the end of the tunnel after two weeks make it to anybody can make anything do anything for two weeks all right so just get through the two weeks you'll feel very very differently and you'll you're and then do another two weeks another two weeks and then you're through man so usually like the worst of it is in that two weeks you make it to the other side of that you should be fine absolutely I found myself doing when I was doing strict keto uh if I did it for years I would incorporate like a cheat day or this and I would end up binge eating a whole bunch of stuff like Paul's saying here my biggest thing I tell people because some people like I'm doing carnivore and they'll do it for uh a week and then they're like I did so good I'm gonna go eat off plan now like this is Weight Watchers or something and for I know for myself for me if I had like a little raspberry I would go off the rails and I'd be eating sugar and I'd be back to binge eating again so I would also just say don't cheat don't cheat on Carnivore it's not it's not worth it and it's not like Weight Watchers or something where you're counting calories you can knock yourself out of ketosis and then all those Cravings come back and then you got to do it again but yeah like Dr chafee said you can do anything for two weeks and I have no Cravings no obviously no binge eating problems at all anymore not it doesn't even cross my mind anymore got one from Martin recently I came across a claim that carnivore increases shbg which supposedly messes up the testosterone function can you please address that yeah so that steroid hormone binding globulan and so you know that that's the difference between your total testosterone and your free available testosterone to to be working so you can have your total testosterone be really high but if your steroid hormone binding globulin is high as well you're you're gonna have less free T3 that's available uh and and bioactive um again not something I've seen you know this is just not something I've seen uh in labs this is something uh that Dr solidino has mentioned um in his own Labs possibly in his patients Labs as well but again he's he was telling his patients to do what he was doing which was very organ heavy uh carnivore diet which is a lot better than a lot of Alternatives but I do think you can run into trouble with hypervitaminosis I just you know these are these are nutrient dense to a fault and so if you're eating too much of these things like the Inuit don't eat them at all because uh you know the the organs of the you know the Predators that they eat generally they're eating Predators they're not eating herbivores and so the the vitamins nutrients and fat soluble ones are actually more and more concentrated as you go up the food chain right so you're eating the organs of a seal after a while you're gonna you're gonna get you're gonna get very sick uh you can't eat the organs of a polar bear at all because you'll die you know the if you try to eat the liver of a polar bear like uh you'll die from from vitamin A toxicity so they don't eat the organs they give those to the dogs they just eat the skeletal muscle meat and fat that's what you need and so I do see you know people having these these weird sort of issues are generally the ones that are eating a lot of a lot of uh organs you know and so I don't know what it is about that that's that's raising their um you know steroid hormone binding globulin but I know that mine's not raised and I know that I have no patience who have uh you know increased their shpg and and drop their testosterone their testosterone their free testosterone is going up and their shbg is uh is not going up appreciably um and um you know and it can be affected in other ways as well it's funny there's a strong correlation between people with low steroid hormone binding globulin and anxiety and being sort of neurotic and sort of a bit on edge all the time you know so you know there's weird things that go on with it as well uh you know what's causing what I don't know but um again I've I've never seen that in practice I certainly haven't seen that in myself um and I've only heard about it sort of on the internet and people just saying oh doesn't this do that not that I've seen and I think that's coming from Dr saladino Who had that experience himself and I think there are reasons for that he attributed that to not to being in ketosis too long okay well I've been in ketosis longer than him and I do not have that problem the Inuit have been in ketosis a lot longer than him and they don't have that problem uh and then people say like well you know but any of us don't have high enough ketones that's not they're not in ketosis they are making blood sugar they're making glycogen they are making ketones they are not eating carbohydrates so what the hell do you call it you know they're in that so-called fasting metabolism fasting metabolism that ketogenic State they are able to produce uh you know energy and and mobilize their energy stores from their fat stores and make carbs glycogen and ketones that's what that's what keto that's what I'm talking about when I'm talking about ketosis I really don't care if your ketones are 37 like I've never checked my ketones I never want to check my ketones I have no interest in my ketones I'm just going to eat meat because I'm designed to eat meat I'm gonna let my body get off of it I get that question a lot too and I'm like what would I do differently I just eat meat and I drink water nothing I can do yeah I don't know how I would use that information my ketones are three great oh now they're sick awesome okay yeah I got I'm just gonna keep working thank you Yep looks like we got one more here from Paulette uh thank you Dr Chaffey can you address debilitating essential tremors husband seeing good results from recent DBS deep brain stimulation I Googled that I didn't know that off the top of my head I'm sure you did and we've both gone strict carnivore oh that's great well I mean there's no there's no studies that I know of uh even with with keto and Tremors but that doesn't mean that there aren't any um sort of tickling at my the edges of my memory about keto but I I can't say for sure but um you know the thing is this this is going to help in so many in so many ways you know there are a lot of different causes of a lot of different things and and a lot of them are to do with eating the wrong wrong diet um and then you can actually build up damage and you can you can permanently damage things and parts of your body and and your brain and nervous system included and you know going back on an optimal diet can help things won't necessarily completely alleviate things I'm glad that the DBS is helpful that's I literally put in two of those last week so that's uh you sort of drill holes and sort of put these things into a certain part of the brain and sort of give it a bit of stimulus to say okay yeah that's that's working that's doing what we want to do you can actually wake people up during the operation say okay let me see your hand do this do this do all these sorts of things and you're like yeah okay you know now we sort of move it change the frequency and all of a sudden they can't do it or they can do more or all these sorts of things and so you get it right at the right place and at the right um you know the right uh uh you know dosage and that's great I'm really happy that that is helping him uh it's a great it's a great surgery you really help people um I think carnivore is is likely to help a lot as well I can't say that it's going to help uh his essential tremor I can say that it's going to help him in a thousand other ways and improve his health significantly and I would I would say based on what I can see it would likely extend his healthy years of life and life in general and so even if it doesn't help the essential tremor which juries out on because I have seen so many neurological issues benefited so greatly by going on a carnivore diet perfect example is a guy um who I've had on the podcast and I did a live with yesterday uh Dave um who has a channel on guy people find my live I'm blanking on the name I think it's like no carbs or something like that but it's uh but anyway he had a stroke 30 years ago and when he was 19 and he had right-sided weakness ever since and it was very difficult for him to walk around he was you know limping staggering very difficult to go up and down stairs he had to clutch onto the rail with his left hand because he didn't have the strength in his right hand and he was very unbalanced he was very worried about falling down the stairs every time he went up and down uh two months on Carnivore his wife noticed he's like you're you're walking differently he's like oh man she videotaped him and he was just walking completely normal and he said now he can run up and down Street airs this is 30 years after he had a stroke that's insane you know you're not supposed your brain's not supposed to recovery it's supposed to be you know it's thought that if you have damage that the axons can sort of sort of tear and they sort of they're just flapping loose and from you know the side that your neuron is from that can start growing down more and if they happen to catch and grow in then they'll go back down the pipe and then they'll get regain function but if they go over here it's gone forever right and so you sort of see that you sort of see that in you know in six months two years and after two years it's like well what you have is what you have you know 30 years later this guy got his his life back and his strength back and his Mobility back and his coordination back that is incredible so so you know I don't I don't discount anything I just say hey just take a look see if it works for you it is doing a lot of really good things and it's going to improve your life in so many other ways anyway it's well worth uh trying uh regardless and hopefully it helps and if not DBS sounds like it's working great awesome I think we hit all the super chats that's great uh yeah this has been great thank you so much Dr chafee no no you're very welcome thank you for for putting us on I think it's great and and I I you know I think it's really good to have you know things like this and people putting out those challenging questions uh because that's that's what those are the things that people were worried about and they're they're coming to carnivore or they're they're seeing people get good results like yourself and they say like okay well that sounds good but like I don't I don't you know I don't want that at no at at any cost you know I don't want to be you know you know like a deal with the devil where I have 10 good years and then I'm screwed and I Die Young and all these sorts of things so you know that's not that's not what what people want so it's very important to address these things and uh you know and it's important to um you know yeah to discuss them in in the open and have people be able to to ask questions and challenging questions you know questions that that are designed to uh to stump you and um you know and if if they do you know oh gosh you know I don't know maybe we shouldn't do this you know maybe that maybe that's the that's a reason to to to think twice about it but all of these things have answers you know and you know this this really does work for people from what I can see all the best evidence shows that humans are carnivores biologically and that our optimal diet the thing is going to see us give us the best health for all of us is what from what I can see a high fat carnivore diet I've Just Seen absolutely miraculous things happen to people and and diseases that that people have just denied could ever be reversed are being reversed on mass now and now it's funny they're saying no that can't happen that can't happen that can't happen now they're saying well yeah it can happen but it's because you're getting rid of you know then you're gonna die in 10 years no well you know five minutes ago you said it couldn't happen ever and yet now I'm showing you 10 000 people where it happened in a published paper yeah but no no no no no yeah but like this this just this is just the right way to eat you know people are getting better they're getting healthier and uh and this is this is what we've been designed to eat we've been eating this way since time immemorial and that is obviously what we're designed to eat if that's what we've been eating this whole time then that is what you know that's what we're designed to eat if we didn't start out being designed to eat it we became designed to eat it through the process of evolution that is how biology works that is how the world works that is how life works and I'm sorry if you don't agree with that but that is those are the facts and that's how that's how this works so I'm going to keep doing this and I'm always happy to answer questions uh as as much as I have time to and I appreciate everyone coming on and and hopefully that answer a lot of questions and help people um you know make up their mind about whether they want to give it a try themselves absolutely yeah I was hoping maybe I could stump you on one but you knocked them all out of the park which I kind of figured would happen but yeah maybe we'll have to do another one of these sometime this has been great I think this would have really helped me when I started carnivore because it was there were several things I was worried about I'm like this is insane I see these people doing well but it's just nuts but when you get over that fear and kind of the emotion and you see the facts and the truth and there's so many things that you say and then it's just like oh yeah okay of course like that makes perfect sense and it's like so much clearer now so yeah I think this is really going to help a lot of people out and uh I really thank you for your time this has been great oh you're very welcome it was absolute pleasure and hopefully yeah hopefully everyone here enjoyed it I think they did thanks a lot Dr chafe everyone thanks everyone for joining and have a great day yeah thanks everyone see you next time