Getting Pregnant on a Carnivore Diet with OB/GYN Dr Robert Kiltz, MD

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right thank you good to see you you too and today we've got a special guest Dr Kilts who is a fertility specialist from the states and runs the third biggest fertility clinic I believe in the whole of America and is a carnivore and an absolute expert so welcome Dr kilts oh thank you very much I've always inspired by what you guys and are sharing and we need inspiration every day and I'm not sure I'm the third but I'm in the top ten of American IVF centers for sure it's still pretty cool yeah very cool yeah um so this sort of thought behind this episode is that we talk about fertility and would create a guide for anybody who's looking to fall pregnant is pregnant or has a newborn so Dr Kilts Junior kick it off with with your philosophy around um the ideal scenario for fertility well uh thank you very much for inviting me to share by the way I really appreciate it and uh for all of us fertility is critical whether you're trying to get pregnant personally a family member a friend or just our community uh that's so important for you to gain the knowledge of a health healthy lifestyle but as a fertility specialist and I do all the standard medical treatments for those that are suffering from uh fertility issues uh but I I I kind of fell upon nutrition about uh 15 20 years ago and started off in the Paleo world when many of my patients were getting pregnant on Paleo diets uh when and I was kind of talking about meditation and prayer and positivity and that help but paleo was like wow what is this stuff and I started reading about paleo and then I tripped over keto and then I find carnivore and um I kind of focused on the understand the inflammation is the cause of all disease and being infertile on not getting pregnant miscarrying or or anything else like like a failure to have a vaginal delivery or prematurity or a chromosomal or genetic disorders autism uh uh maternal morbidity mortality all these things are related what I'm finding to inflammation and it turns out that our diet has been is a deadly diet that is causing all of these problems and when I kind of found this I figured well what's my job as a doctor I've got to share these ideas with the world so that they can take control of their own health and wellness and keto carnivore to me is one of the best ways to reduce inflammation increase your fertility and and solve really the most important thing in life which is reproduction because that's what we're all doing everything we do is for reproduction yeah definitely yeah yeah well I mean at a biological level that that's the meaning of life and I think that's sort of a meaning level that that provides a lot of meaning in people's lives as well having family having kids and having grandkids you know you talk to a lot of people on their deathbed you ask them you know what any regrets what you do and as always I wish I spent more time with my family I wish I spent more time with my kids I wish I didn't work as much I wish I spent more time with people and so in a biological end uh you know spiritual sense you know that that is a very good working uh meaning of life and so obviously it's very very important to to almost all of us some people maybe not so much well if you look around the world um the incidence of infertility is growing the family sizes are shrinking many many people are not uh connecting with the partner they're not having babies either that they say intentionally but I think the intention is is uh misinformed and misguided because I think as women reach their late 30s 40s and even 50s and haven't had a child they look back and see gee what happened I think because the propaganda of the world is oh you gotta wait to have a baby but in fact our reproductive potentials are best in our teens and early 20s and so the waiting part exposes us to more inflammatory particles which reduce our fertility reduce sperm counts sperm quality uh and function reduce again a quality uh egg function PCOS polycystic ovarian syndrome metabolic disorders endometriosis uterine fibroids are all part of that but it's male and female sides that are damaged by the by the postponement of childbearing and then because of a plant-based diet tremendous amount of of sugars damage the reproductive organs directly uh along with the chemicals by the way plants make estrogen progesterone and testosterone which are the birth control pill and the abortion pill which suppresses male and female reproductive potential also uh and then then there's the lectins oxalates phytates which embed in our reproductive organs cause chronic inflammation again and damage the sperm eggs and and embryos and implantation environments this is really the biggest cause but our plant-based diet our lifestyle waiting uh is is detrimental to our our reproductive uh of uh function and and there's a really great book uh called uh why beautiful beautiful people have more daughters it's a social cultural sociology book but essentially everything we do blogging uh being a doctor or or whatever it is it's in order it's our feathers it's our it's our showing off our colors so that we can attract a mate we can reproduce which is again the the primary reason for all organisms yeah definitely there was um you know speaking about you know plants sort of disrupting things certainly uh you know with a high insulin and and I understand that's uh implicated in PCOS and blocking conversion of testosterone into estrogen um and there was it was I just remember a story uh that I learned you know in history class I was taking you years ago it was about like the the origin of the heart the heart shape I mean that doesn't look like the organ of the heart and what the thought was is that actually was the shape of um a seed pod that they was used in ancient Rome as birth control agent and people just take this stuff as birth control and it was so popular that it was just ubiquitous it was actually on the coinage and so they found that it's on like the old Roman coins this sort of heart-shaped seed pod and so and they actually they actually like ate the stuff to uh Extinction they think they don't think that it exists anymore because they just used it all up and and that can just goes to show you the the you know what can happen and disrupt um your normal workings I mean that's in the in the the best interest of the plant itself I mean I understand that there's even some uh different like pesticides and things that the plants used when or or that we spray on them that disrupt insects uh reproductive cycle as well and then they can die or disrupt that as well but um I that sort of brings me to a question that I had uh which was you know there's mixed opinions and thoughts and I've seen mixed reports in the literature about vegans vegetarians people plant-based sort of eaters and and and sperm count motility account I found papers have said both basically and you know obviously it says improved or or reduced but usually it's in comparison to what generally in comparison to you know the average you know the average population which is eating a plant-based you know uh processed food garbage diet and so maybe a whole food plant-based diet is better than that but I don't know in your experience have you come across anything uh that would elucidate that well you mentioned about the placebo and the nocebo and so anything we do that we ascribe to the thing as the cause of the outcome you know it's always questionable in my opinion uh but you mentioned about the the the the seeds and the plants I mean we've been in the in the in the medicinal Plant World for thousands of years and and uh the the plants or the poisons or they're the pills that heal us right it's medicine we've been searching for plants as medicine and the the search of the Spice Islands and the the route to the east was about uh the pharmaceutical industry essentially uh and and the plants that that will cure us or kill us essentially but you know we do I mean there's so much talk about using herbs uh and essential oils to heal your fertility and it is likely that you may be using some anti-inflammatory properties of these plants that may help reduce the inflammation that's causing the damage of the sperm the egg the embryo or the implantation environment uh so I don't know if that's the it's the leading to the question but there is uh I don't know what you know about Manos is a monosaccharide it's another monosaccharide like glucose galactose Manos sucrose so I mean their mono and uh and and disaccharides and and uh polysaccharides these saccharides damage something in our body that causes damage to the egg sperm Ambrose and we call it infertility but polycystic ovarian syndrome and you alluded to the hyperinsulinemia but I believe the hyperinsulinemia is not the cause it's the hyperglycemia whether it's glucose galactose mannose and there was a recent paper and I'll share with you it was in my talk that I gave at ketocon that basically High Manos levels are associated with PCOS so it's sugars it you know it's again plant sugars are the cause of most of our disease because they damage the glycocalyx and the glycocalyx again is the barcode of every cell of our body every receptor of our body and so you know what causes bad sperm bad eggs bad embryos or bad ovulation which we espouse to polycystic ovarian syndrome is likely still related to a plant glycan a plant sugar which causes glycation uh which we cause glycation in products uh and and and yet the science sometimes tries to give us a story that we're so focused on we can't see what's going on over here and insulin is only responding to a plant-based diet and a high protein low-fat diet if you think about it right and so I definitely think that that all of our reproductive dysfunction including reduced libido uh reduced uh orgasms uh reduced ability to have an erection right uh any any dysfunction is all related to the damage the plants are causing us uh at at some some receptor level in our body whether it's whether it if you think about it and I think this is what you're alluding to is the plants contain small amounts of estrogen testosterone and progesterone so if I give you a little bit of that like a birth control pill an abortion pill am I going to suppress your your reproduction of course and so then we measure your your hormone levels and we say gee your testosterone is low you need testosterone then we give you testosterone we we make you feel better and get an erection at the same time we suppress your sperm function when in fact if we simply remove the plants which are the predators have you as you've elicited to for so long uh we will cure our reproductive dysfunction so I have so many people going carnivore fatty meat eliminating plants even in their mid to late 40s and getting pregnant fantastic which is quite amazing yeah absolutely so I I that was that was the thing too um as far as as far as hormone disruptors obviously there are some of these uh phytoestrogens phytotestosterone progesterone um are there are there other things apart from you know the food that weed that's going to disrupt that that you counsel people to stay away from generally to for optimal reproductive health well excessive exercise I think is not good for us because it heats up are the core and heat is inflammatory uh in itself and friction is is inflammatory so I men and women you know they're they're cooking their sperm they're cooking their eggs uh which I think is something that I think you got to just slow it down yoga meditation cold water therapy some lifting if you want but minimize it alcohol deadly for our reproductive system so I I recommend removing alcohol uh from your diet and certainly um smoking uh caffeine uh these are all you know marijuana coffee and teas of any significance or frequency are not good for anyone in the reproductive realm uh they're and coffee might have caffeine you get decaf but they're and I think you've said this many times there are hundreds of other chemicals and coffee and teas that that we don't even know what they do uh and and that's those are the things you know it's water uh uh mineral water spring water water that's sat on the Earth right and not been processed through filtration and and remove the natural minerals and vitamins that I think are are are critical um and and uh and things like if you have fiber I mean if you just say people take fiber supplements I mean fiber is is deadly for us because it ferments in the gut and fermentation makes heat alcohol aldehydes and methane gas and most fiber sits in the colon which sits right on top of the ovaries tubes and uterus and so fermentation is exothermic reaction it makes heat so you're you're heating up your ovaries your prostate and testicles which are another cause of of disease which again uh did you get your fiber today did you get your fiber supplement how important it is which unfortunately and again I suffered for 55 years of bowel bleeding arthritis kidney stones migraines anxiety depression uh that that uh finally 55 I went carnivore and bingo all got better I've never felt better in my life no more kidney stones no more bowel bleeding no more hemorrhoids no more constipation and so uh that's another one the fiber part of it um let's see um you know again I always say there are five causes of all disease uh plant sugars not just glucose plant sugars plant chemicals plant antigens lectins oxalates phytates gluten latex fermentation of plants in the gut via sugars and and then excess of exercise and so you know if you if you sort of that that's the sort of the the the simple Concepts which again since we're so brainwashed in the medical community that fruit fiber vegetable season nuts are so healthy for us uh you know it's it's when I talk about it I'm sure you talk about it to your colleagues they go like huh and and I had a a 35-year young patient yesterday that has all the bowel symptoms and she's infertile and miscarriages she's already spent a ton of money on IVF and failed and when I suggested keto carnivore and I always throw keto in there she's like oh I could never do that and and and and and finally she said I can never do that and I asked well what would you do well not everything and then finally she she did she said well I would do anything to have a baby because that is the truth we'd do anything to have a baby because that is like that's that's the real trophy of all Humanity in life yeah so you ended up bringing her around and she's gonna try well well she she was she wants to she said I want the drugs right yeah so the drugs are intravenous Amino globulins um Humera uh they're they're the the uh Plaquenil program neupogen human growth hormone these are the drugs and they cost thousands of dollars and there's no guarantee they're going to work um so you know she I I mentioned it enough and and and you know I I try not to overwhelm them but I can be overwhelming sometimes and but but I I always tell my vegans my vegetarians my Mediterraneans I tell everyone listen I'm here to help you however you want wherever you're at that's a key you can do keto as a vegan vegetarian and a Mediterranean and you could fast do one meal a day that'll help but you know I'm I'm hopeful that she'll come around but I still work in the standard medical field like you where we we dissect and we give drugs and and have they have a lot of side effects and and for her she's 35 open tubes regular Cycles a little bit of sperm abnormalities but nothing significant uh they have a huge chance of conceiving delivering Naturally by going keto carnivore yeah for sure yeah well hopefully she comes around anyway yeah I I mean she has a great I mean not everyone does my does my dietary recommendations and they still get pregnant but if we can inspire people to make the changes and it's sharing the story and sharing this story and sharing the story and then the examples that show up uh that really is the thing that I think is the most important that we do the Articles when you're recommending carnivore uh are you are you saying equal parts protein and fat are you saying high protein high fat what's what's the mix that you recommend well well the the focus seems to be on protein and I think that's wrong um I think we need to focus on fat because fat is the fuel for the human body not glucose and fat suppresses inflammation when it's eaten and so I typically recommend a one-to-one fat to protein you know that's a hard one I think for most people to get and it's hard for most people to do and by the way I got a sample of the carnivore bar the fat and meat and we we were flying uh Grant and I were flying home on Sunday from it and we were just this is all we could eat we're just loving it but if you can make again pemmican is essentially about a one to one uh does that sound about right yeah yeah yeah it's rendered fat Yeah by weight yeah so it's like right on right and also I don't use it I don't use calories because I don't know what a calorie is but what are we gonna say oh it's just gonna say it so it's dried meat so you dried all the water and then once it's dried then you mix in 50 50 Tallow and dried ground up beef so I don't know exactly how that works out with the proportions on on protein to Fat um grams anyway yeah I you know I again it's it's easier to kind of proportion it by what we see I mean for thousands of millions of years you know no one was putting on a scale or measuring their macros but I say one to one is the best focus on bacon eggs butter beef and salt uh work to do one meal a day that's one of the most important things we can do to reduce the the sugar flow in the bloodstream to really get it down low and reduce inflammation I'm also curious about birth control do you get a lot of people who are coming to you who have maybe just stopped birth control and and what sort of results you know positive or negative have you found well most of my clients have stopped birth control pill one two three or four years ago or longer they've used it for 10 or 20 years which I think is the birth control pill is um is not a healthy uh product in my opinion many women die from blood clots and strokes from the pill and I believe we use the birth control pill or any birth control as sort of a a signal have as much sex with as many people as you want which is not good for Humanity you must be very Discerning in your choices in my opinion we've we've created an environment of an amusement park rather than a temple but I think there I think it's I don't I can't say it's directly the birth control pills the cause or the lifestyle we live because of it that may be the cause or it's likely both in some way because taking the birth control pill increases a platelet aggregation blood clots and stroke so it's got to be both in my in my opinion so I don't recommend it I don't use it in my in my uh practice I would rather use estrace and other forms of progesterone in order to help some cyclicity for people in order to time and uh treatment for either a frozen transfer or something like that but I don't use it in my practice because I don't think it's good for us yeah um so I saw I've seen a couple of your videos or like some of your shorts where you talk about one of the one of the best or a very good thing to help female fertility is like really increasing the amount of fat increasing the amount of butter uh you know like it's like eating more butter um would that be would you give similar tips like for for men and women let's say because obviously as you say you know there's there's a male side of fertility problems in the female side of fertility problems um what are some of the some of the tips that you give people for the man and the woman to try to conceive naturally well I really give the same to both because the causes are the same to both yeah we just relate them to different organ systems you know I think of it like a car uh the same things cause the brakes to go the electrical system to go the the carburetor to go it's it's heat it's inflammation it's it's particles of of the environment uh that do it more miles uh the less length you're going to live but um it's the real Simplicity of it is high fat low to no carbs um work to to fast and eat one meal a day to reduce the inflammation and by eating a stick of butter a day now some people can't tolerate butter as well because it does have some some proteins and some sugars that can be antigenic uh which cause inflammation uh but but if you get some really good uh good butter good cream uh uh but I think Tallow lard uh and ghee are a little bit better and ghee's a little bit better because you've hopefully removed the the sugars and the uh amino acids as much as you can but that's really the the simplest part to this I always start with have faith a belief in the thing you wish as if it is is the best way to live in life rather than always worrying um and that's kind of where I started off with the the the the law of attraction or the the the the positive positivity and the Secret by Rhonda Byrne um and that's how I got into Jack Canfield and and his stuff uh which I've learned uh is so important I read the Bible or read by biblical quotes of positivity so if you can see what you want as if it is that helps men and women functional sperm functional eggs and embryo but all you need to do is see the outcome you wish which is a baby and then carnivore is the very best but if you're in the keto World a vegan vegetarian a Mediterranean uh up the fat half half of your half of your your your your your your uh volume or mass should come from fat the rest of it protein and carbs or plants if you're in the vegan world now as a vegetarian cream eggs butter uh uh cream eggs butter and cheese fatty then you don't even need to eat the plant at all if you are up to eating the eggs and the butter and the cheese and then and then that one meal a day and again we we reduce the inflammation in the guy improves his his uh vascular flow to his testicles oxygen is is delivered better carbon dioxide is removed along with other uh of the uh of the um uh fat oxidative particles from just burning fat are removed and so and the glycocalyx and I know you've talked about it we've talked about a little bit you want to keep the glycocalyx as strong as possible in order to reduce inflammation sperm gets better the erection gets better and then the same thing on the on the female side reduce inflammation and and enhance the eggs ovulation and then the environment by going carnivore or ketovor with high fat low amino acids low proteins and you know my sense is and I don't know how much fasting you've done and and still maintain your muscle mass that that our our need for for proteins is probably a lot less than we think in my opinion hmm yeah I eat a surprisingly little amount uh for My Size I tell people like you know like like maybe like two pounds of meat or something like that um when I'm sedentary well I'm working out a lot more I'll eat probably twice that but you know I talked to I talked to some women that are like half my size and like I eat like four or five pounds a day and all these sorts of things and um you know I think they're coming from a deficiency point and they're trying to and their bodies are trying to recover and heal and and put on more healthy tissue and masks whereas my body's pretty happy in its steady state and I just you know maintain it pretty well um but yeah yeah it's um it's uh surprisingly little to to maintain uh my muscle mass I I wonder I always wonder how much did we eat 50 100 000 years ago and how frequently did we eat we really don't know that answer very well and and my bet is you know for any of us to just go out and start hunting and finding food it's not an easy feat uh you know yeah we'd be really hard-pressed to do that so my sense is you know I I remember I broke a leg I went three months in a cast my my leg came out looking like my arm size wise yeah uh and and because it was sedentary um but I wasn't I wasn't exercising and all my other muscles you know stayed I was in I was pretty much uh confined to a a a a recliner for like a month because I I was in so much pain and couldn't move uh and and then I figured out I put a belt around myself and and the belt elevated the cast full length cast for like three months and and uh I moved but I didn't exercise and my muscles stayed pretty strong uh but my leg was like nothing yeah and so yeah I had the same thing when I broke my my leg it wasn't I didn't have a full full leg cast but I I was not weight bearing for almost five months because I I just destroyed my deltoid ligament in my ankle and I had to get that reconstructed and uh and then the unstable fracture of the fibula um and so got it all plated and reconstructed and everything like that but I was I was absolutely my leg was trash and I remember seeing it I would take my my foot when I got the cast off I got it out of the boot it was again it was like my arm and I was like that's not my leg that's not my leg and I had I had very big legs at the time I was playing a lot of rugby all the time and I was carnivore at the time and you know my legs were massive they were like tree trunks you know and uh and you know and then all of a sudden I've got just one one tree trunk and then this one and uh you know it's just it's just like alien limb syndrome I was like that's not my like that's not my leg get it the hell away from me yeah and it took that's a long time to come back it took me a while also but again the the protein needs you know it's proteins break down amino acids amino acids go to the liver and Via insulin the converted mostly the fat uh and and and you know the fat cells contain amino acids proteins and sugars and I wonder and and if you look at the uh uh those animals that that hibernate and gestate they lose fat they don't lose protein they don't lose muscle mass so my bet is the fat cell is actually the most important cell in our body which contains the fuel for the mitochondria it contains the building blocks amino acids and simple sugars which are critical for reproduction uh and that's why I think fasting is really important uh Dr bright and I had a little bit of a uh of uh we didn't agree completely on women in fasting I still think women fasting is critical and important and can heal their their damaged uh over these tubes uterus and the hypothalamus pituitary uh axis which is critical for normal ovulation and pregnancy support okay so when when would they when you add in uh fasting in that context like is it to do with cycle or just you know every now and then or just intermittent fasting is enough or do you need periods of time uh to come off food entirely well hyperemesis which is a condition where women have severe nausea and vomiting typically in the first trimester which is very common a woman says you know suddenly food aversion and they're like I must be pregnant or maybe I'm pregnant or they don't know and so I think there's a there's a biological reason to say don't eat the food because it's it may be toxic for my baby that's trying to implant so I believe the first trimester is one of the most important times to to uh to fast and it may be the luteal phase so the post-ovulatory so maybe the last quarter of the cycle may be a good time again by fasting you reduce your sugar levels and the plant toxins uh that are in your body circulating because you're eating three to six meals a day and so I say and then the first trimester I see patients who are like I've taught terrible nausea and vomiting and they they're eating crackers which are and they're eating six meals a day in order to get their metabolism moving or feed their baby which which ultimately I think again Manos glucose galactose flucose xylose and acetyl glucosamine and acetyl-galactosamine are common sugars that can be damaging in excessive amounts uh and that's why fasting is so important to get rid of the plants and I tell women to have a butter but even just a you know a cold Frozen butter put in your your mouth let it melt and you will get it down there and that will provide what you what you want but not what you need and then again my bet is there are many times where we might be sick longer in pregnancy and and and and since we're supposed to carry a certain amount of fat 26 to 28 fat for women in order to be potentially the fittest uh then you have plenty of fat to provide the fuel and the building blocks for your baby for you to survive uh and deliver a healthy baby yeah and so do you do you find that there's a benefit to fasting on top of Carnival on top of you're not you're already not eating the plants you're already not eating carbohydrates already in that uh you know non-insulin driven State uh do you find that there's benefit on top of that to just not eating yes because one is it's kind of driving your car you got the best cleanest fuel but you drive it it's still going to have damage so the GI tract is the most sensitive organ system of our body the mucous layer so the more you eat the more you still damage the glycocalyx of the bowels now now you're less damaged if you're strictly a carnivore but the problem is so many carnivores are high protein low fat which is rapid starvation and protein poisoning and amino proteins break down amino acids which are glucogenic and ketogenic they must be converted to acetyl-coa in the liver via insulin in order to make fat but before they do that you're still circulating sugar levels uh uh that and amino acid levels that may still have damage to the glycocalyx and they ferment amino acids and sugars both ferment they feed the bacterian yeast which ferment which in fermentation in the gut is not good for us so I think that one meal a day is like my my most sweet spot for everyone you know this idea that you need to fuel your metabolism it just doesn't make any sense I know if I when I have my big meal at night I'm tired which you're meant to be so in order to rest and digest I haven't really seen any proof proof that you should wait three hours or six hours before you sleep it doesn't make any sense your bowels are over always working and when you're resting you're now providing the blood flow to the bowels so you can take all the nutrients to the liver hepatic portal bloodstream goes right to the liver insulin from the pancreas blood flow to the liver which is critical in order to convert amino acids and sugars to Fat remember fatty acids come into the lymphatics through the thoracic duct because fat does not need to be converted to Fat because it already is the only fuel of your muscle and your brains your reproductive system also and I wanted to talk a little bit about hepatitis diabetes I don't know if you've you've you've come across that at all let's do it hepatogenous diabetes have you heard of it I don't know but no I haven't heard that term before I haven't I hadn't either okay so there is a so 96 of serotic patients are insulin resistance and 30 percent are Frank diabetics why because the livers function is to convert amino acids and sugars to Fat via insulin so as as as the liver function drops insulin resistance increases okay so first it's fatty liver then it's kind of fibrotic sclerotic liver then it's serotic liver so all serotics are skinny they have no fat have you ever noticed that yeah it's big bellies yeah but they have paper thin skin they have no subcutaneous fat yeah the reason is they can't make fat because fat is made in the liver so if you think about it as as the the 24 7 365 exposure of the liver to amino acids and sugars and the plant toxins it causes liver cellular damage so battle site damage so now the liver cells aren't as quick at converting sugars to Fat so your overall sugar level rises in the bloodstream what else rises in the bloodstream your insulin we call that insulin resistance correct so is it probable I'm an anatomical guy why does all the blood flow to the bowels go to the liver including the pancreatic blood flow because the liver's job is to make fat first because let's just say we were omnivores right if we were omnivores you sugars are not the fuel for the the cells fat is because a type 1 diabetic are they fat or skinny it's gay they're skinny why yeah they can't can't utilize uh they're fat or their uh we can't make fat and they can't make that that is it why can't they make fat they have no insulin why can't the serotic patient make fat because they have a dysfunctional liver they have high insulin and high glucose levels yet they're skinny well I thought glucose insulin's job was put glucose in the cells well how come it's not doing that because insulin resistance is hepatogenous diabetes as the liver function drops insulin levels rise because glucose levels rise because the liver can't make the fat and again it's the toxins in the plants it's the direct sugars remember plant sugars are foreign sugars so like a blood transfusion you think about it our blood type is determined by a sugar coating the cell if I give you the wrong blood type you're going to have an inflammatory reaction right so if I give you plant sugars or bacterial or Yeast sugars or viral sugars you're going to have a reaction that's going to cause inflammation damage the organ systems including the liver hepatitis C virus right it takes down the liver right it's a plant it's a it's a sugar that causes inflammation so hepatogenous diabetes is actually the cause of insulin resistance okay yeah yeah good how far uh how much how far down that road you have to go before you start getting insulin resistance is just fatty liver disease or do you need to get to fatty liver stages don't know that answer but I bet it's before fatty liver disease okay and and and since the liver's job is to make fat I mean you buy Goose liver or duck liver you cook it it's just like all fat so so the liver's job is to make fat and so maybe fatty liver isn't a disease unless we see other things going on with you right we wouldn't have any reason to check for it unless you've got a problem right um and and so again the liver's job is to make fat but we don't detect it until you have something else going on sclerosis fibrosis before cirrhosis but I don't know that answer my bed is in utero since in utero the moms are eating excessive carbohydrates which simply flow through the placenta to the fetus they caused hyper they caused children to be born overweight obese but the sugars are also circulating the liver which is making fat in the fetus yeah that was a thing too you know that's that's what you know you get um gestational diabetes that's associated with higher birth weight and then mothers developing diabetes later on I always thought that same thing you're just you're just feeding carbs you're getting sort of precocious growth and I think that I always thought that that was a a contributing factor to why we're having bigger birth weights and bigger sizes and more instrumented deliveries and uh you know C-sections and things like that because we're supposed you know we're designed to come out of our mother you know we just die we're not you know we're not like a bulldog like an English bulldog we're just like freakishly bread these things to not be able to fit out of the birth canal you know and so you know it only happened sort of in the last sort of century and I I remember hearing people say it's like well you know our brains are just getting so much bigger and so it's having trouble getting all the birth canal like um hold on a second our brain size are down we're 11 down from that before the Agricultural Revolution we're not getting larger brain sizes and and that doesn't happen in one century you know the genetic populate or the you know in population genetics anyone who studied that understands that you you cannot change the genetics of an entire population that quickly it just doesn't happen and so something else is happening environmentally well we're eating too much again three to six meals a day is deadly if you simply eat one meal a day you're probably healthier uh and and and you're right um the Simplicity of the story is we're eating excessive plants and not enough animal fat and we're eating too much and too frequently and some simple things you can do even without changing your what you eat uh but just changing of the frequency and adding a lot more fat to the diet uh but uh gestational diabetes pre-eclampsia prematurity of fetal and maternal mortality morbidity all of these things are secondary plant-based low animal fat diet because everything you eat as a mom is is is going through the placenta to the baby you're when you're breastfeeding everything you eat is going through to the baby and so you're before you want to get a baby while you're pregnant and when you're breastfeeding and after that carnivore is for babies once you're you're stop breastfeeding you should go to the bone from the breast of the bone uh meat from milk from the breast to meat from the bone is really important for all of us our our Humanity relies on it then I bet you will actually feel like a man or a woman you will begin to recognize that reproduction and relationships are critical um depression suicide criminality will be reduced by going to our perfect human diet or or the eat like a human which is your story which is is eat fatty meat that's it simple yeah I think I think there's a t-shirt in there somewhere you know carnivores for babies you know and then like you know some sort of we're doing it we're doing it absolutely yeah rest to Bone I like that well that's the breast bone or milk to meat again and I think you probably talked about this in uh or or or others I know talked about the many in Africa they they eat the the blood and the milk from their animals uh they let the animals eat the eat the grass and you know we can convince people that honey and fruit is is fine but of any frequency or significant it is not and fruits and vegetables and honey can be contaminated with bacteria yeast and viruses that are some of the leading causes of disease in the globe right and especially in pregnancy as well I mean those always that don't eat soft cheeses or unpasteurized Dairy you'll get you know listeria and other sorts of things can be quite you know uh strategenic to the fetus I believe there there are there are abortificants uh and and their teratogens uh all of those things and and pesticides come from plants human beings thinks we're responsible the plants look at look around the plants own the world yeah we will we are fertilizer for the plants is as simple as that and their reproduction is like as important as ours yeah and then we can learn to use them in ways and and if we're going to eat a plant like do it in a way that minimize you know if you're going to eat some honey or fruit or vegetables or french fries you know minimize them but the challenge is is that I know of no one that's ever had a anaphylactic reaction to a ribeye steak but plants my daughter would die to avocado and a banana the challenge is you know what my my partner uh used to eat crab and then one day she had an anaphylactic reaction to crap so these anaphylactic reactions can come upon us and we don't know when or why uh shellfish uh plants fruits fiber vegetables seeds and nuts are all potentially antigenic enough that they can take us down fast and it's the glyco biome that is the Killer yeah I think I've always thought too I wondered about that with uh with shellfish you know is it something in their environment you know the algae and things like that that they're eating maybe those antigens get mixed in because you can certainly get it was like red tide and you know many other other things that can get into the shellfish they're just you know filter fish the filter animals they sort of get this stuff in and so you know maybe that can get in there and maybe maybe that's what people are reacting to but um the only yeah and the the argument that I see you know there's always there's always this you know just you know pulling at threads and and just you know grasping at straws uh well they do when you point out the different allergies and anaphylactic reactions that people get it's to plants and then they'll say oh you know people get you know anaphylactic reactions to meat as well and then they'll cite that you know people bit by the lone star tick and they have this you know cross-reaction things like that but that's not being that's not reacting to the meat there's nothing in the meat that you're reacting to that you have a problem with you get this you know this infection that's caused A disruption in your in your body in your physiology which is the point of of toxins and parasites and and bugs and and plants I mean it's just absolutely just Global Warfare out there and so you know they're doing that and that disrupts your body now you can't eat properly and from what I understand as well uh it's it's only certain Meats she can still eat meat you can still eat different meats and um and it's also it goes away in about three months so this is a temporary reaction and it's not it doesn't make you um uh allergic to meat for the rest of your life or to all Meats well well the same thing goes with eggs and butter and cream uh in the meats what is the animal eating yeah that may be uh gaining again think about the lectins oxalates and phytates that embed in our body well they bet in the animal's body but if they're eating the proper diet that they're meant to eat but even uh these animals are at risk of damage and disease from the natural foods that they eat depending on the season the invasive of plants but you're right the bugs the bacteria yeast viruses and other bugs contain antigenic particles that can cause it I I have a place down in Sarasota Bay and you know quite commonly the red tide kills everything the same thing can happen to us for sure and that's why I think red of fatty meat of you know you get the the cow and you process per parts of it but the steak ground meat has more of a risk of being contaminated because of the risk of bacteria yeast and viruses contaminated in the processing so know your processor know your farmer and some people can't tolerate certain meats and eggs and butter but I think the the risk is is minuscule contained compared to the fact that the plants directly themselves have the antigens that are inflammatory to our body yeah absolutely changing directions slightly breastfeeding Dr Kilts a lot of people I know who've had babies recently have really struggled with breastfeeding and I'm wondering if you've you know I suppose it's likely going to come back to nutrition but if you've had any success helping or coaching people to to get back to breastfeeding well that's something real important and we need to talk about a lot more and it's interesting I've heard a lot of women that are doing carnivore saying their breasts are getting bigger they're depositing the fat and the glands more naturally because they've reduced the inflammation so if you start off with healthier breast tissue then when you're pregnant and then deliver your breasts are going to function more naturally but because we're eating a plant-based diet breasts are dysfunctional breast cancer is in the rise in younger women all the time and you may have a genetic predisposition but the genes are not the cause and I know you've talked to Thomas seifried it's our environment the metabolic damage from a plant-based low animal fat diet I think is it so those that go carnivore definitely I think have a a better capability a better quality breastfeeding better quality milk and and Longevity on on breastfeeding for sure so when you're before during and after pregnancy you want to go carnivore but you want to focus on the fatty Meats eggs buttercream in my opinion and then again when you're breastfeeding you'll improve things also and you know listen everyone's looking for the the scientific study just start looking at the carnivore blobs and all the women they're like oh my God this is happening to me the the N of one is the most important thing and we're storytellers we're here to tell a story and the story is what I've experienced what you've experienced and what my clients have experienced which is my community and breastfeeding is improved and then those kids once they're there like they want someone someone showed me a picture of a baby gnawing on the bone and I was at with at Ken berries and niches uh when I was in Austin uh and their little baby was eating meat uh and and that's where we're where we need to be giving more directions a way of healthier babies I had dyslexia in migraines and bowel problems as a kid I couldn't read I I was completely incorrigible my mother had to put my brother and I on leashes because we were so crazy and she'd be arrested today um and and so I believe will allow us all to function better at every level uh looking at the the carnivore lifestyle yeah um you know that's uh that was the same thing carnivores for babies you know so just for babies and dads and they're all big daddies brothers and sisters all of us yeah the um yeah that's the thing too you know I mean these genes existed before you know they're saying well you know someone has you know you know the bracha you know jeans and things like that or or the her2 jeans all these sorts of different things um and and that and yes that that plays a role but those genes existed they didn't just show up this generation they didn't just all of a sudden just start popping up out of nowhere they were in the population they were in the gene pool it's just now something in our environment is now triggering those uh faulty genes to now Express differently and um and cause more and more problem and so you know I think that that's very clear there's something environmental that's influencing this because the genes are are the genes they've been here for thousands of years or more you you're you're right and I see patients coming to me who have had breast cancer their mom had breast cancer they've got the broca Gene and and I'm like well not everyone with broca gets cancer and and then they're trying not to have a child with the broccoli Gene and which I personally think is misguided because we still think it's a genetic uh cause and and not a not an environmental or a nutritional cause as we're finding uh in in in this so that um I think that you know again as a doctor and a doctor you know we weren't taught these things uh and but we're finding them and it's just such an eye-opener uh we're reading actually this week's book like you do uh book club is is uh is Thomas seifried's book cancers metabolic order and that was one of the first books I read I don't remember you know a long time ago when it first came out I was like I never knew that this but that's what I learned about Otto Warburg and and started reading his stuff you know one Rabbit Hole to another that's what this is about but but I'm I'm just again uh so thankful I've fallen into this world of of of carnivore but there's much more to it because you know if you're if if you're a ketovore and you're fasting and you're focused on fat you may be just as good yeah yeah maybe yeah well at least you're getting improvements anyway you're going in the right direction you're eating more you're giving your body fat uh that you need these are the nutrients that you absolutely have to have and you're eliminating out some of the worst offenders absolutely keto's the on-ramp to carnivore it's the entryway it's the key to the the master class I say that's it yeah yeah you got to put in the door and now it's just I was I was first in the Paleo world and then I ran into keto world and then I was like some guy like you was like like this and he said I eat meat I don't eat anything else and I don't exercise and I was like that one looks like for me yeah maybe something but he wasn't sharing everything yeah and well yeah that was the thing I think I'm I'm one of the few people that just went just there's this whole hog is like nope plants are gonna kill me like I have no interest in these things and just like just dump them all and just kept got the whole got the whole bag in one go which is very very lucky I'm very fortunate for that well and we you know again when I read the World Turns Upside Down by by Richard Feynman he said that carbohydrates are never required in the diet and I'm like I never knew that right so plants are never required in our diet glucose is not the energy for our cell the livers function is to make that not to be detoxify because you and I don't know a disease that it doesn't detoxify do we hmm alcoholism yeah I mean we were meant alcohol is a natural product that we're supposed to drink and amount that heavy amounts of but um yeah right yeah no kidding yeah we're cool we'll talk yeah well it's been an absolute pleasure I know you have to head off you're just starting your day uh thank you so much for taking the time uh to speak with us it's it's great um great to see you as always I'm sorry I wasn't able to make it to to kilocon this year it would have been great to hang out with everyone again you're going to be in London or in England next month yeah yeah I may go uh T and I are maybe talking about going to London and maybe turkey uh with next yeah yeah what are you doing when when are you going to Turkey well we may go that the week of that the conference because I've happened to have a week off which uh I got a couple other conferences to do and then I've got that week so we're kind of toying with it and uh because I I know you and and Sean are there and Olivia's there and I just uh I met Arena I don't know if you've met Rina all about you yet well I mean online I haven't met her in person right yeah but I met her in person at uh at uh uh ketocon and I I met her I met her partner uh Aisha uh I did a quick Zoom with her this morning and uh just you know that's the beauty we're meeting people around the globe I've got to come to Australia you should come down on the phone yeah you've always got a place to stay uh absolutely and um but it you know it's funny you said turkey because Elle and I actually have a wedding in Turkey the next week so we'll be staying around and going there as well we were thinking of going really okay yeah we were thinking of you know seeing some other stuff first but yeah then like one week after the conference we're going to be in Turkey for a wedding so that's that's funny maybe the week before but I was thinking about coming to uh Chesterfield is that where it is a conference Sheffield just outside of um London three hours oh so but yes but uh Manchester it's just I I think you fly into Manchester and then it's like you know half an hour out of that or something like that okay all right so yeah I'm I'm playing with it oh we'll see yeah we should let me know definitely if you do and uh we'll get some steaks I'll look forward to I look forward thank you guys I really appreciate you yeah I gotta get moving yeah I love you guys bye thanks so much bye