In this interview, Dr. Anthony Chaffee speaks with Daniel Trevor, author of "The Unholy Trinity," who shares his expertise on metabolic health and the corruption within medical institutions. Trevor reveals how big pharma and big food companies have infiltrated medical education, residency programs, and conferences, leading doctors to provide harmful dietary advice like "eat less, move more" and avoid saturated fats. The discussion exposes how 95% of US Dietary Guidelines committee members have conflicts of interest with food corporations, explaining why proper nutrition education remains suppressed.
Trevor explains the critical role of glucose and insulin in disease development, describing how chronic elevation of these markers leads to insulin resistance, hyperinsulinemia, and inflammation that activates genetic predispositions to disease. The conversation covers the historical manipulation of wheat through chemical and radiation mutagenesis, creating semi-dwarf varieties high in gliadin that attach to brain opiate receptors and drive food cravings. Both speakers discuss the criminal behavior of pharmaceutical companies, drawing parallels to tobacco industry tactics, and emphasize the need for proper lab testing including the oral glucose tolerance test and gamma-glutamyl transferase (GGT) to detect hidden metabolic dysfunction.
Key Takeaways
- Request an oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) with insulin measurement, as you can have normal fasting glucose and A1C while still being a "raging type 2 diabetic"
- Get your gamma-glutamyl transferase (GGT) tested - life insurance companies identify this as the #1 predictor of all-cause mortality, yet most doctors don't check it
- Calculate your HDL to triglycerides ratio, which is 6-9 times more predictive of cardiovascular disease than standard LDL tests
- Understand that modern wheat contains gliadin protein that binds to brain opiate receptors (like morphine and heroin) to create cravings - 59,000 of 60,000 supermarket products contain wheat
- Recognize that chronic elevation of glucose and insulin leads to hyperinsulinemia, which triggers inflammation throughout the cardiovascular system and activates genetic disease predispositions
- Question medical advice when 95% of US Dietary Guidelines committee members receive financial backing from big food companies, creating inherent conflicts of interest in nutritional recommendations
- Medical Education Corruption by Big Pharma and Big Food
- Wheat, Grains and Blood Sugar - Higher Than Snickers Bars
- The Unholy Trinity - Modern Wheat Addiction and Gliadin
- Cholesterol and Statin Drug Industry Profits
- Big Pharma as Legal Drug Cartels - Criminal Behavior
- Patient Stories - Following Bad Medical Advice
- US Dietary Guidelines Corruption - 95% Have Conflicts of Interest
- Essential Lab Tests - GGT and Hidden Diabetes Detection
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[Music] the doctors aren't given the education either because we're educated by big pharma and that's that's that's the the truth of it. I mean they they have their hooks in all the medical institutions all across the world and the residency resident uh programs and and the and the post-resident um education with you know with drug reps going to the to the hospitals and educating doctors. by talking about, you know, cherrypicked studies from their company pushing their product and then going to conferences that do the same thing. They're funded by, you know, big food and big pharma. And you you can you can bet your ass that like no one's giving a talk there that goes against anything that they uh that that goes against their bottom line. And you know, the thing is too is that doc, you know, patients I I talk to them every day because this is my whole practice. There's people that that are fed up with the the same old advice and the same old system. It's not working. It's not helping because, you know, doctors going to say like, "Wow, I can tell them about diet and lifestyle, but what are you telling about diet and lifestyle?" You're saying, "Eat less, move more. That's it." And and you're saying, "Oh, stay away from fat. You know, fat makes you fat." And all that sort of So, you know, yeah, I I have no doubt that that doesn't help. Because the thing is is that they think and I've I've spoken to a lot of doctors about this and they say overweight doctors, by the way, who say, "Well, the reason that that patients are so fat and sick is because they just don't listen to doctors." And it's like, "No, the problem is they did listen to doctors and Bob the advice was bad." You know, they're saying, "Eat less, move more, eat less meat, eat less fat, eat more healthy fruits, you know, whole grains and all that sort of garbage." and um it doesn't work. And so they go home and they're getting fatter, they're getting sicker, and they're like, "No one listens. No one listens. I told them what to do and they didn't do it." Yeah. But they think I think they get they they think that the the science is settled. Like they say settled science and all that. I'm thinking, you know, whenever you hear anybody say no such thing, you know, settled science, just know that what you're about to hear is about as truthful as the COV jab is safe and effective for everyone and it totally stops transmission. Yeah, we know what a bunch of that was, right? So, um, you know, I think they get these certain conclusions, so to speak, in their minds and that, okay, so it's you have to eat low fat, high carbs, the grains, that's what we got to do because Jesus ate the grains and that was, you know, but they don't know the whole history of the grains, which I, you know, they don't know that wheat raises the blood sugar higher than a Snickers bar. Wheat, I never knew that. I see I this all this stuff blew my mind, right? I didn't know and I very early on in the book, in fact, page two of the uh of chapter one, I I say, look, you have to understand the two most fundamental players in the processing of the food that you put in your mouth, and that's ins uh glucose, also known as blood sugar, and insulin. You eat something, your glucose goes up, the pancreas senses that, and it secretes some insulin to bring it down, keep it in a normal range. And that's a normal process that goes on through life. But when you're eating the wrong foods hour after hour, day after day, week after week, and your insulin and your your blood glucose stays elevated, you're going to develop insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia. Hyperinsulinemia, that's just a fancy uh technical term for hyper too much insulin. Emia means in the blood. That's for your for your audience. Hyperinsulinemia. And then comes your pre-diabetes and type two diabetes and all the inflammation. And then what happens is that inflammation then goes through your arterial system, your cardiovascular system, and then turns on whatever you've got lurking in your genetics that mom and dad had and that grandpa and grandpa had. And it turns it all all that on. That's why it's uh so clearly a um what I've called the a gateway disease, you know. That's what turns it all on. U and we've never had that throughout history, right? Mhm. Yeah. No, definitely not. Um, so I was going to ask you as well, I mean, you call us the unholy trinity. So, um, why is that? Do these things work synergistically together to screw us up? Are they just all bad and we see them together a lot? They're individually bad. And then if you look at the um list of things, in fact I I got a great quote from uh from Nina Ty Schultz in there about how in her out of her book um her book was this classic 2014 big fat surprise, why butter, meat, and cheese belong in a healthy diet. And she was the one that was at the forefront, her and Dr. Chris Kenobi and Dr. case. Shanahan that showed like it's not the fat. The fat is good for you. It's what we feed for hundreds of thousands if not millions of years. Proven by these, like I said before, anthropologists and bioarchchaeologists, they've proven I think it's a lot longer than this, but they say it's at least 2.6 to 4.5 million. And you know, there's this thing, as you know, they're called the species adaptation hypothesis. And that's basically says that when a certain species is used to eating a certain way for a long damn time, that becomes their healthy diet. Just like the cows eating the grass and the goats and so forth. Um, and we our healthy diet was animals, what we could catch, kill, and eat. And um, and of course other things uh, when we were and they used grains as fallback food. again the anthropologist and bar bioarchchae I have a picture of a guy in chapter 10 it's called are you a wheat addict and there's this guy well it's his it's his skull it's from 100,000 years ago and he's got perfect teeth and I asked well you think he had an orthodontist uh philosoph twice a day and all this no what they did was after they started eating wheat and grains see what they found that clever humans discovered that if they could gr ground grind up the seeds from the grains because that's where the grains come from, the seeds, not from the stalks or anything. And they added some water, heated it up, they could make something like a porridge and that allowed them to uh survive an extra day, week, month, but it took they took a serious toll on their on their physiology and everything. They tooth decay, missing teeth because they started exuming bodies from after that point of 10,000 years ago, 9,000 years ago or so. That's when agricultural societies came in and um and they could see that all these new diseases I mean not as bad as the last hundred years but you know bone diameter and length shrunk men shrunk five inches women shrunk three inches I mean it was just a disaster and then in the um in the late 60s early 70s big egg came along and you know it's always grown to shoulder height right they they had they came up with this thing called chemical mutagenesis and radiation mutagenesis and that shrunk it down to 18 in. They call it semi-dwarf wheat. And what that does is they get bigger seeds and that gives them a more bountiful crop. That's why they did that. But what it does is it amps up this protein from gluten called gleaden. G l i a d i n. Gleaden. And what does that do? That attaches to the opiate receptors of the brain. I mean it does like again it doesn't get you high or relieve pain but it it turns on the same opiate receptors as morphine and heroin and its expression is to make you crave more of the things that have wheat and grains in them. Like that's why check out this stat. The average supermarket has 60,000 products. 59,000 contain wheat or some form of wheat. I have all the aliases in there too to look out for in chapter 10. Even Twizzlers, the candy, the second ingredient is wheat. It's like what? They're really coming after our opiate receptors. It's It's just uh it's that money thing again, right? Hey everyone, really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia. Stockman Steaks, who are delivering high quality grass-fed and finished pasture-raised beef and other meats, flash frozen and vacuum sealed to your door. Something that I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well. 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And so I've spoken to cardiologists about this and they were saying that now the drug reps are really pushing for the PCSK9 inhibitors. They're not even pushing for the statins anymore because they want the new on patent drugs for people to use because they make more money on that. And so because they they they dropped things so so much, they uh are now pushing to lower the the cholesterol threshold again. And so Oh my god. Yeah. And so it's just even lower, even lower, even lower. And this what what does this do? This this qualifies more people to be on more aggressive drugs. And so because they just want they just want more money, you know, and this is clear telling me that in 1950 I think the uh the cholesterol normal cholesterol was bel was below 300. Now it's below 200 and now they're going to lower it again like you're saying. Oh my god. That's what's that's what's really going to it's just it's just horrible. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and you know and and same with blood pressure. used to be under 140 was was normal, then under 130, now under 120. And um and I've spoken to some people and they're starting to hear people talking come reps. Oh, we really should get it under 110. It's just like because you just you just you're going to bring in tens of millions of more people that now qualify for these drugs, you know, have some, oh, 117 over 70. Oh, I don't really like that. Oh, we need to we need to get you on some some blood pressure meds, you know, and um yeah, and it's just it's just a way to sell more drugs. I mean, this this is this is a drug cartel. They're the biggest drug cartels in the world because they're actually legal. This is this is the opium trade, you know, back in the day. I mean, people made empires off the opium trade. I mean, they they they bought islands and nations based on that. And um and now this is the same thing, you know? It's just it's just it's a legal drug trade. this illegal drug cartel. They're selling drugs. Some of these things have legitimate uses and and really do save people's lives. Others don't. And their their motivations are not to help people. Their motivations are to make money. And so they want to make as much money as they can. Well, we have a we have a um you know fiduciary responsibility to our shareholders. Well, you actually first and foremost have a responsibility to these patients. You do not get to cause harm in order to make money, you know. So, okay. So, you know, if I have if I have a a team of people and like, well, what we're going to do is we're going to go and and try to make as much money as we can. Um, and you can buy shares in our in our company, this that and the other. What we do is we we hire a bunch of Black Ops people to knock over banks and we rob banks and then if we have to shoot people and kill people because that gets us in and out fast enough and then we can make more money, I have a fiduciary responsibility to shoot those people because my shareholders, you know, need more money. It's just like no, no, no, no, You don't get to hurt people in order to do that. you know, you have to first make a product that is a good product and not cause harm. If you're knowingly causing harm, if you're knowingly putting somebody on a drug that I mean, if that's the only if that's the only option, then fine, you know, but intentionally stifling innovation that can actually cure a disease because it it affects your bottom line. or putting out false information and lying and paying people to put out studies to to say that that your product is a really good idea or that you know cholesterol is really bad and we need to treat it. Um knowing that it's causing harm, knowing that it's wrong, that's criminal behavior. And you know just like any sort of war criminal and and and you know um somebody you know human rights violators, you should be in prison. I mean, you know, some of these things are like like, you know, bordering Nerburgg sort of level criminality. You know, you you know that your product is causing harm. Like, I mean, the tobacco companies, they knew that their product was causing harm for 30 years and yet they lied and put out studies saying that it that it didn't it was actually good for you or, you know, at least didn't cause harm. And uh and then we we know that they're lying. So, they got fined $400 billion. Okay. That was that was 1994. That was 1994. They brought him before Congress. Oh no, Mr. Congresswoman, we never intentionally put addicting carcinogenic material chemicals in our products. Yeah. But but they did and we know that now. And what happened? Did they go to prison? You know, because did did they go to prison for the for the mass murder of hundreds of millions of people around the world? No. And now they own Craft and and Aiscoco and General Foods. Now that's how they're getting people eliminated, you know. So, it's just it really, you know, I think people have a low confront of um the ability to confront evil. Uh it's not a a high ability in most people. They just Oh, no. They wouldn't do that. No, my uncle Joe works for them. That couldn't be, you know, and it's just But, you know, there's that old saying from uh what was it? I love this guy. Mark Twain, you know, the uh common sense philosopher from the 1800s. And he said, "That's great. It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." It's easier to fool people than to convince them, "Hey, you've been fooled, pal." Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's just wild. It's just wild. Yeah. Well, you know, people say, "Oh, they wouldn't do that." It's like, I'm sure people thought that in Nazi Germany as well, and guess what? You know, they were doing these things. And um they're still doing these things. I mean, there there are horrible evil things going on around the world right now. But we live in such a prot protected environment that we think that that microaggressions are the worst thing that ever happened to human you know civilization is just like try going to to an actual war torn country or a place in you know in um you know where there actual genocides happening right now. Um they are still happening you just don't hear about them but there are genocides happening. I went and helped with the survivors of a genocide in in uh Burma in 2017 2018. I read about that. I read that you did that. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. And um you know when I was there I was working with a lot of people that did this as a profession. They went from disaster to disaster to disaster. And the amount of horrors that I heard that were going on in the world right now that I had never heard of. You know, I I watched the news. You know, you try to stay informed. That's the Mark Twain quote again. If you if you uh don't read the news, then you're then you're uninformed. If you do read the news, you're misinformed. And so, exactly. And that was it, you know, and you just you just don't see this stuff. And uh and I was like, how the hell did I miss this? How did I hell I missed this massive genocide? And I couldn't find it anywhere. I couldn't find it anywhere being reported on. And then when I went there, there was there were just countless of these things all over the world going on at at any given time. We just don't hear about them. We just live in this little bubble. And um and that's Thank you for doing that. And thank you for staying with the whole purpose of enlightening people about from your experience and all the wisdom that you have. And again, you're a clinician. You actually see patients and you know, it's not anywhere near what I do. I've just been a researcher uh to solve my own problem. But thank you for getting all this information out there and and having people like myself on so that we can spread the word about metabolic health. You're very welcome. Well, I'm glad that you're you're doing this. I'm glad that more people are coming this. I'm sorry that you had to have a a heart attack before it before it uh you know you know came to came to your attention but but that's the thing you know you were like you said you were you were Mr. healthy. You were doing all the healthy things, right? So, you know, you're the doctor you mentioning before saying, "Ah, you know, just you can't you can't speak to some people. They just don't listen." They do. And you and you're living proof of that. You did listen. You did all the things that that that doctor would have recommended to people and and it cost you. Whereas when I talk to people and I say and I and I paint out, you know, a similar picture that you paint out in your book, um, and I say, "Look, these things cause harm and here's how and this is why you want to avoid them." They get it and they're like, "Yeah, I don't want to eat that crap." And so then they start doing it and then it works and then they get benefits. You know, it's not that they're, well, they change your diet. Oh, look at your blood marker. Oh, and your cholesterol went down. Yay. Well, how do you feel? Okay, they feel like crap. Then their other markers are are getting worse and things. Oh, but my cholesterol went down, you know, and it's just it's just uh we have a lot of work to do to wake people up. And that's why, you know, I wrote the book. I'm told I'm pretty good at explaining things uh complicated science in an easy to understand way. Uh because I always listen to Einstein would say, if you can't explain something complicated to a fourth grader, then you don't really understand it that well yourself. Right? And so I really had to make sure that I understood what all this meant and what it was and how it related to me and that's how I was able to get myself better and then be able to explain it in a way that I give analogies and that kind of thing. And and so in other words, what I'm trying to say is that the book is written from the viewpoint of one of the victims of false data and fake science forced it upon the populations and the doctors for 70 years. And so, you know, you have to get this information. And I've written it for the average reader of health and wellness. It's not written for doctors or scientists, even though they need it more, but it's written for the average person to go, hey, you know, I have that in my family. Can maybe I should look into this. And that's basically what I did there. So, um, you know, that I'm I'm on the same mission as you. So, I'm so glad that to hear that you'd like to and come join us on this uh the thing we spoke about earlier before we uh you know the maja thing you know uh RFK has this maha make America healthy man and and uh for your audience um you know Eric Berg had reached out to me to join that because he's he was invited onto that and he wanted me to ask you if you'd like to join us to get the word out more about metabolic health. we're going to go after the dietary guidelines with Nina Ty Schultz and and others that are on the team that you know. So, I'm glad you're accepting that uh that challenge or that you know because he'll give us all his secrets of how to make a video go viral and all that kind of thing. So, and he had he's been doing it since YouTube suh started. I think it was 2007 or something. I don't know. But, uh yeah. Well, and you're way beyond me than that. You got what a half a million subscribers. Holy moly. I'm way behind that, but at least I have the book to to get things out that way. Yeah, definitely. Hey guys, just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at Carnivore Bar. I don't promote many products because honestly, all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat. For those times that you're out hiking, road tripping, or stuck at work, and you want nutritious snack that is just meat, fat, and salt if you want it, the Carnivore Bar is a great option. So, I like this product not because it's just pure meat, but also because I want the carnivore market to thrive as well. And the more we support meat only products, the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream. So if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind, check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off, which also applies to subscriptions, giving you 25% off total. All right, thanks guys. Well, I think that's I I think it's great that that um you're involved with that and I definitely am interested in that. Um I think that's another thing, too. you know, with this Maha movement, we need to with especially with RFK's background with with in litigation starting to actually prosecute these guys criminally, you know, I mean, this this there's, you know, there there's actual criminal, you know, if they if they are knowingly putting out harmful products and and lying about and putting out misinformation knowingly like the tobacco companies have, like the sugar companies have, and we know they have because we have their documentation saying they did it, they should be prosecuted criminally. Wow, that was 50 years ago and all those people are gone now. But you continued it, didn't you, You know, and you knew about that. And so if you if you're continuing to profit off of that, then obviously you're going to still still be No, but but they're the ones who lied. Yeah, but then you continued it. You're still putting out a harmful product. You're still harming people with that product and you're doing it knowingly. So it's true. You know, I I was watching his confirmation hearings and he was saying something like, you know, I've sued these companies and when you do that, you get a PhD because there's discovery, right? You get a PhD on how they operate and the, you know, go between the government agencies and the big food companies and that kind of thing. And you see the corruption, it's crystal clear. So, I'm so glad that he's uh you know, it's interesting related to that. the end of my chapter seven I you know Nina Tyishult speaking of her and her um she has she started this lobbying group called nutrition coalition and her uh group and another they did this study where they there was an investigative study into the committee members of the US dietary guidelines because you know they have them every five years right now we're in the 2020 to 2025 and they discovered that 95% of the committee members 19 out of 20 had POI conflicts of interest and we're receiving financial backing also known as bribes from big food and big you know craft and general foods and me johnson and these farmer companies. It's just, you know, that people need to become aware of that because we want to change. We want they just will not accept anything having to do with low carb, keto, that kind of thing. And that's why we're really going to attack that because as you know, the US dietary guidelines, that's what guides all the that's in all the prisons, in the schools, in the uh you know, elderly homes, and it's just all across the boards, and it's causing so much damage to people. And so we um you know, I'll introduce you to Eric over email. How's that? That'd be great. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Uh yeah. Well, I I wanted to be respectful of your time, but I also wanted to just get one more more question if you had time. Um sure. You mentioned the most important labs, a chapter on most important labs. Um and you you mentioned a couple of them, but what would be some of the the things that people could as a takehome? What are some of the things that people should check that they're not checking? Well, the very first one you want to get because you may have be one of the many, many people that have normal fasting glucose and normal A1C, but still be a raging type 2 diabetic and not know it. You need to get the O GTT with insulin or just the O GTT. That's oral glucose tolerance test with insulin. Um, that's that's the first one. You want to find out if you've got some what level of diabetic physiology you have. If you got a belly, you're already there. You just need to verify it no matter what your A1C says or your fasting blood glucose because those could be normal and you're still, you know, full type 2 diabetic. So, get that one. And there was a couple other inflammation markers. Just go to my website, danieltrever.com, click on blood tests, and I got a whole page with the the top four or five most important ones that I would get. There's a a male panel and a female panel. And there's one that also uh that I should mention with regard to the uh fatty liver disease that I had that I discovered uh all this information from Ivor Cumins. You know Ivor, right? Um and he had what I had. He had this fatty liver disease because see what the deal is is there's most doctors they don't check what's called GGGT gamlutam transferase. It's a liver enzyme. Most of them, if they check anything, they'll check a alp, right? They don't check the GGGT, the gamma glutamill transferase. Why is that important? Life insurance companies have to know who to accept and who to reject. And life insurance companies are damn good at analyzing data and statistics since the 1600s when they would insure boats that would go out into the ocean and all that. I mean, they're really damn good at it. That's why they're most successful companies on the planet, right? So anyway, they discovered that their number one predictor of all cause mortality is having elevated GGGT gamma transferase. It's like who know why doesn't the medical community know what the life insurance companies would you guys talk to each other maybe? uh you know I'm thinking and then um you know it's just it's just amazing that that is just and then the more I looked into it I found studies showing that if you have elevated GGT the usual cause of death is a heart attack and there I was so I was you know the whole time I'm connecting dots and that kind of thing. So that's another one but that's part of the male panel or the female panel. You want to make sure that it's has GGT in there. Of course, there's the um um you want to get your h uh HDL to triglycerides ratio because that will tell if you've got small dense LDL particles as well. And it's about I it's six to nine times more predictive of cardiovascular disease than an LDL test. Yeah. And anyway, that's it's daniel Trevor.com and at there, you know, I have a short 7minute video at the top of the page. It tells my story and some of the creepy statistics that you've heard here a little bit with us. And um and I love discussing all this thing. If we can get people to hear this information and and not be so, you know, to at least inspire them to start to think, oh, maybe I should start to avoid eating this, that, and the other. And if we can get them going in that direction, then that's what we want to do, right? Very good. Absolutely. Well, the book is called The Unholy Trinity by uh Daniel Trevor. It is out now and available everywhere. And um and and I encourage everyone go to his website as well and see all the resources there. Daniel, thank you so much for coming on. It's been an absolute pleasure. Can you please tell people um where exactly they can find you? Obviously, your website, etc., but any other sort of social media sites? Yeah. No, it's basically just danieltrevor.com and you can find me elsewhere from there, but you know, that's where you get all the information. I have a lot of really good data there and uh you know, videos. I'll put this one up there uh the one that we do. Um and uh that kind and they can sign up. They can get a free preview of the book. And what that is is they put in their their name and their email address. They can unsubscribe at any time. I I send out a a weekly newsletter every weekend, Friday, Saturday, that kind of thing. It's got some really good data. A lot of it is from the book, a lot of it's news and that kind of thing. Uh but they they sign up and they get it they get the first 48 pages for free. It's a PDF. Sign up and get that there. And then again, you can you I'm not selling anything. You can u I'm a strong believer in you, you know, you taste it a little bit and if you like the way it tastes, then you can go buy the book. 1865 I think and it looked like lard which people used to um cook with. They thought, "Hey, let's uh let's let's sell it to people, make some money." And so Krisco, they invented this, started flying off the shelves in 1911. And oh my god.