Incredible Carnivore Diet Success Story! | Jess Randle

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Japan and I've been following her on Instagram for a while and she's pumping out some fantastic Carnival content and so we thought we'd would get her on and have a chat and find out how Jess got into into the world of carnivore so Jess welcome thank you thank you for having me I'm so excited our pleasure um how about how about we kick off with uh how did you get into carnivore Joe Rogan and Sean Baker podcast and I just I feel like nine out of ten people say that's how they got into it threw myself which is amazing which is actually a testament to sharing these things on social media because you never know whose life you're going to change because that podcast did drastically change my life like 180 so I'm so thankful that my husband happened to be following Joe Rogan and Sean Baker happened to be a guest and then he showed me because I was happy to be married to him I know but um yeah it just coincident is serendipitous it was serendipitous but uh yeah so I was always struggling with weight loss I my whole life I just could never lose I had about 20 extra pounds on me that I could never lose no matter how how active I was how many times I worked out and I also had really bad anger issues and mood swings and anxiety um I was a crazy person and I feel really bad for my husband having to deal with me before I went carnivore and now but especially before uh but yeah so I was Dumb and I didn't realize that I could look into what was happening to me and find answers I just thought this is how my life is going to be this is just the cards I was dealt I'm just gonna be fat and have acne and just be depressed for the rest of my life and my husband started looking into things online and I didn't know about it and he came across the Joe Rogan Sean Baker podcast and showed it to me and just said hey you should watch this it kind of sounds like some of the things you're dealing with so maybe it can help you and I watched it and just it made sense what he was saying made sense it resonated with me I gave it a try for World carnivore month January 2020 and never really looked back after that nice cool so what are some of the things that you saw like um in your changes like like that I mean what were you eating before and then what sort of what uh notices no differences did you notice Jesus can't speak today thank jovis I mean you don't have any excuse either you just work on brains all day what's your excuse I I'm just joking um but so what changes before I went carnivore I was gluten free for 10 years before that so I was eating healthy I was eating a lot of vegetables a lot of fruit oatmeal eggs turkey bacon white white meat chicken some fish um I would have a lot of Chipotle Like Rice Bowl type meals and protein shakes so basically just healthy American with some gluten-free grains in there and then and I was okay like so before I went gluten-free I actually had really bad gut issues to where I was so constipated my whole entire life that I would only go to the bathroom once every three to four weeks for almost 19 years of my life um it was so it was so bad and then when I was 19. after that like I mean I must have been packed in there yeah oh yeah no I I have never I don't have a child but I feel like I know what it's like to give birth to a child it was a tragic I would cry it was just like and it was it was awful it's not I don't wish that on anyone um so and glue so then when I was around 18 19 the whole gluten-free craze started coming in and becoming popular and so I went 19 I went gluten-free at 19 and it helped a lot but I still would suffer with gut issues I still had really bad acne uh I still had weight that I just could not lose and I would just when my stomach was just constantly bloated and then when I did go carnivore my skin cleared up my mood issues balanced out I no longer just would have random bursts of anger for no reason um my I lost 20 pounds I feel amazing it's just it's what hasn't it helped with is the better question I think I think the um the gluten-free first and then you discover that there's other things in food is a pretty common sort of Trail as well because because I did the exact same thing um and I was I'm in this like uh gluten-free Facebook group in Australia and it's got like a hundred thousand people in it and someone posted Anthony would have found so someone posted their meal yesterday and I kid you not it was like they took a photo they're like I can't believe how good this meal was gluten-free um garlic bread gluten-free pasta with like a tomato sauce and a gluten-free beer and and I I was just like wow so it's like totally nutrient devoid and it's just a whole heap of processed crap that are gonna that's causing issues anyway sure it doesn't have the gluten but that's going to upset your gut and bloat you big time anyway yeah yeah that's the thing everyone just we get very very focused on one thing right so for years it was you know decades it's been still is fat and cholesterol I think that's the only thing it doesn't matter as long as it doesn't have fat cholesterol like that's it and then it was uh gluten that was a big one it came out of nowhere overnight extremely people heard what Celiac was oh I must be Celiac you know and like and it's funny everyone and I remember thinking it was it was sort of ridiculous at the time people were saying this like you are not Celiac just stop it you know like and and um and just everyone just become gluten and tolerant all that sort of stuff you know JP Sears did a did a a skit about being glucose or gluten intolerant and things like that and how um how just you know making fun of that whole thing it was funny but you know and then carbs you know that being one just the one thing ever that can be the bad thing so you have artificial sweeteners and all that but that's okay because it's not carbs it's like God no and uh you know I mean you know meth doesn't have carbs either you know go to town and um you know but you know that thing was like people actually did have problems with gluten they didn't mean it didn't matter if they were Celiac or not like this stuff does cause it can cause damage and cause harm and so but then realizing that there's other things in there as well you know and then you know getting rid of just you know the wheat in general and the carb containing things in general you know it's not even just like going keto has so many more benefits than just eliminating carbohydrates that's a major one that's a that's an absolutely major one you you switch over to your primary metabolic State I think that's a that's a huge benefit but all the things that that have carbs also contain a lot of things that you really don't want either so you're actually eliminating a lot more than just the carbs and so you get a lot of benefit there so it's it's good to see people starting to see that it's not just one thing or the other oh it's gluten oh it's carbs oh it's fat no no like first of all it's not fat second of all it could be you know a lot of other things as well and uh yeah so it's good to see people starting to sort of realize that there's more than one bad thing on earth yeah I kind of lucked out too because I even before I was gluten-free I was not a huge fan of just eating bread things so when I did realize that gluten was causing these issues uh and I cut it out I didn't substitute a bunch of gluten-free like gluten-free uh pasta gluten-free like the garlic bread and things like that so I basically did cut out a lot of like bready type foods from my diet just because I was uninterested and they weren't really good when the gluten-free gluten-free craze started they they weren't very good anyway so it was kind of pointless to eat them yeah gluten-free gluten you know like it's just what it is pretty much yeah yeah well that's it it's just like why don't you just you know limit the gluten comes in something okay that that is bad in there but think about that in the grand scheme of things why does a plant have that in there in the first place to you know to sort of defend it um maybe there's going to be something else in there as well maybe just think of that as oh maybe that's something that I just shouldn't eat it has gluten in it I don't do well with gluten I just shouldn't eat anything that can take that naturally contains gluten that may be something to think about as well or a better way to think about it um you know because when you're thinking about things naturally you're out in the woods you're out you know living in a cave somewhere you know you're not gonna be able to extract the gluten from a plant and you know eat that right so you just have to eat what's available and that's that's sort of my my question with people that say that we're herbivores and we're supposed to be vegan what what plants are we eating now that that we had 50 000 years ago there's none I I don't think there's a single one that hasn't been you know biologically altered significantly and just bioengineered to be very different than their natural forms and so you know maybe you know you you could argue that people are supposed to eat plants but you cannot argue that we're supposed to eat all the plants that we're eating out those things didn't exist and no animal in the wild eats such a variety of plants that we do so some of those are wrong and you can go from a plant-based standard Western diet to a plant-based vegetarian Whole Foods diet and do better but you're you get rid of meat which is I think is a mistake but you're also changing out you know worse plants for better plants or you could go vegetarian or vegan and get totally worse and gain a bunch of weight eat a bunch of carbs and pizza and all that sort of stuff and and get you know infinitely worse in your health so um yeah it's it's um well anyway it's an interesting discussion so question for you how do you respond to people who say who's the animals that we ate 50 000 years ago they're much different and they're filled with antibiotics and all these and soy and grain so how do you respond to those people yeah we'll get rid of the soy and grain totally totally with them on that you know that swing green or filth um but buffalo buffalo are different than they were 50 000 years ago I don't know about that I'm pretty pretty damn sure those things are still wild they've only just started domesticating them very recently um you know and so those are the same Buffalo that have been here for God knows how long uh cows those are just you know we've bred them but they're not fundamentally different species right and so you know they still have the same sort of nutrient profile and complement that other other forms of you know ruminants would have as well you feed them the wrong thing they're going to have uh you know that's gonna that's gonna make them less healthy themselves and pass that on to us but you know not all that much not compared to actually eating the wheat and soy ourselves that would be a huge mistake um but no I mean there's I mean what's fundamentally different about you know the muscle of a cow versus the muscle of an orac you know that was what we've what we bred these things from you know pretty damn similar you know and um you know re-buffalo kangaroo that hasn't changed plenty of people eat kangaroo you know Guana all these things and you know hunting deer are those really different I mean no this is this is silly um the the point of um plants being different actually the plants have actually probably been made safer in a lot of respects because they've been bred to be less bitter well that bitter taste is is more defense chemicals and your body's saying stay the hell away from this stupid thing and so you've bred it to be actually probably less toxic because it's less bitter and then you've bred it to be more sweet have more sugar in it and less fibrous so you can actually chew the damn thing instead of like a mango a natural mango massive seed just a little bit of meat and it's very fibrous and almost no sugar in it and like no one's eating that you know and so they've actually made it more palatable and you know sugar is not not good for you but you know getting rid of the other toxins and making it less bitter that probably is and then we've sort of gone the other way with GMOs where we're now implanting you know the um you know the DNA for to make proteins that are more toxic so we're now going back the other way we're making it more toxic so you know bugs and insects and things like that can't eat them so you know the the point of you know saying like well what did we eat naturally 50 000 years ago as far as a plant is concerned is that you know the plants that we use now they're all bioengineered they're all processed all sorts of things you can't you can't do that without technology you know and so you know if we had plants that we were eating for millions of years why are we not still eating them you know and you you can't get a complete complement of nutrients from the plants that we even even all the plants that we do eat you know getting close to that you know they're plants that that simply didn't exist on the same continent and they certainly didn't exist on the continent that we evolved on right so where do we get all our nutrients from you know there's no single Source plant or even you know few in the same family Source plant that's going to have all the nutrients actually no plants on Earth will have all the nutrients that we need and the plants that we eat they're all from like different continents that doesn't make sense doesn't make any dance sense and so you know if we were eating plants all the time we were subsisting on these things you know forget all the other other you know data that goes counter to this we would we would still be eating that plant whatever the hell it was but we're not we're not eating any plants that existed 50 000 years ago and you know all the data like the stabilized dope studies show that we weren't eating plants at all really fifty thousand years ago 100 000 years ago certainly not up in the in the ice climbs you know people say oh well people were down in East Africa and that that didn't have ice I'm like who said it did like that's not where everyone lived though and you know actually when when the ice sheets came down we were we were moving up into them you know that's where the big game was and so uh it's a it's sort of a silly argument and it's brand new like I mean no one ever even claimed that that people were herbivores until like last week vegan thing started coming through like oh actually this is natural because I was like well it doesn't make sense it's not natural you know we were carnivores and these things happen no no it's totally natural no no we evolved this way no it's totally the best way I'm like you're an idiot you know and you like you just or your school failed you by indoctrinating you in stupid things but um no it's that's uh that's a bit insane we've been eating meat forever you know and um you know we only started eating plants very recently and they're they're different plants they're very different plants I think also if you look at the at the quantity like you know back back thousands of years ago it would have been so hard to get as you were saying with the mango example like you can't just go and buy a box of mangoes well it's pretty much all flesh and all sugar back then you might find one one mango at a particular time of year and then you get your little bit of of plant food if you want it but then in terms of quantity of animals like if anything animals have gotten smaller you know we used to have mega fauna here in Australia where uh you know like koalas were as were as big as Buffalo were they yeah yeah we had Mega fauna and like giant Kangaroos and they've all been they were they were 100 down by the Aborigines so we had you know really big animals here and then obviously huge uh you know Buffalo and um and Wild game in America too so what kind of trees were they were they holding on to yeah that's a good question yeah it would look like a bear like you can you imagine like you know like a grizzly bear but it's actually a koala yeah yeah Jesus wow those probably would have been can you eat those they probably would have been pretty easy to hunt they're definitely endangered at the moment and um and half of them half of them have mega koalas probably not too many anymore yeah I don't think you want to eat a koala but you know if they were massive like a bear I'm sure I'm sure that would have been talked about all the Americans walking around Walmart yeah yeah that was that was the the baker um Sean Baker did a post where there's like this guy he was sort of sitting in this this chair all fine robes and decked out he was just sitting there just you know looking like a badass very you know overweight guy but you know I mean you'd see me like wow that guy's quite overweight but he was he was a spectacle people came from all over the place to see this guy and he was he he was the fattest man on Earth in 1890 and the caption was is like this guy wouldn't even be the third fattest guy in Walmart today you know like that's true you look at the guy you'll be like yeah and that sort of par for the course really you know yeah yeah but he's like a normal fat guy you know he's not just like oh my goodness sort of uh overweight he's just like yeah that guy's that guy's fat yeah like and and we've just we've just sort of lost I think honestly I think that this period in history will will hopefully God you know willing like get out of this this sort of craziness mentally and we start people actually start eating normally and start eating better and this all gets out there and people start getting healthy again and naturally slender and develop properly that will look back on this time and you know have like you know all the pictures in the beach in the 70s where everyone's like skinny and normal benefit and healthy and then you know now where it's very different to that and and they're just gonna look at this video like oh wow yeah they were they were really crazy they just they thought this really weird thing that you know plants were the way to go and that meat was actually unhealthy for you and eat a bunch of carbs and nonsense and wow they got really really overweight and unhealthy and this is this period of very serious ill how well you know where you're looking back at like you know Ukraine in the in the late 20s and 30s where they have like mass famines and six million people died you're like wow that was that was terrible you know I think that you'd have to sort of recognize this if we ever get out of this madness then you'll have to look back at this this is a period of craziness where people really suffered uh without even realizing it yeah do you think that we will ever get out of it a bit because it blows my mind like watching people in retrospect I I think that it it makes sense now but back then I thought the same way of I can have this treat if I go work it work it off go to the gym and work it off so now when I see people who are obese and overweight and clearly need to lose weight and they're shoving ice cream and like carbs and stuff in their mouth I always think to myself like do they think that their obesity is genetic and they just have no idea what they're doing to themselves because that's what Society tells you is that it's just a genetic issue you can have that slice of pizza as long as you walk 10 000 steps in a day or something like that and it just now looking back it doesn't make any sense but so many people still believe that lie you know do you think we'll ever get out of that I think so I'm quite hopeful that we that we will I think more and more people are waking up to that fact you know the whole calories in calories out you know people are just getting less and less credible you know because it's ridiculous you know there are plenty of studies that show that that doesn't actually work for everybody you know we actually have you're having calorie control I mean first of all you're never ever ever going to be able to track how many calories you're actually using in a day you will never be able to figure that out without very very expensive uh uh lab equipment you just won't and then um you know and so you know you have to do these things under experiment and so when they have these calorie controlled uh trials you know it doesn't actually work for everybody and you and you change the amount of of you know depending on what you eat you actually depress your metabolism or increase your metabolism depending on how much you eat and what you eat you know and so if you're not eating carbohydrates you will on average raise your basal metabolic rate by 300 kilocalories a day you will burn 300 more kilocalories every day you know just by not eating carbohydrates okay so that makes a big difference and so and obviously these things are complex you know biochemical you know uh agents and I mean they have different chemical properties they're gonna have different reactions in your body you know our bodies are just these crazy complex you know chemistry experiment where you have trillions and trillions and trillions of interactions chemical interactions happening every Split Second you know and you will never be able to micromanage that you just won't you know you just need to let your body do its thing and you have to do what's what your body's designed to do and then you have to figure out what that is and obviously people are crazy there but more people are coming around to this you know simple fact four years ago five years ago um when I was doing this um no one heard of this there's just no one you know like it was there was Baker talking about it saladino came on the scene after that that was it there was no one else talking about it whatsoever and when I moved to Perth three years ago no one I mean people thought I was absolutely out of my mind I ended up having like conversations like three a day because people were like you do what like you know and like it would just be it'd be on from there and so I I just Word of Mouth just started you know telling more and more people about it and you know more and more people started catching up and now you know I have a podcast and um that's you know gotten out there I know people around here are sort of um you know becoming more and more popular not necessarily because of my podcast but just in general and I talk to people and I say like oh what do you just eating a lot of protein I was like well you know I just you know this is what I do and they were like oh yeah you do carnivore diet oh my brother does a carnivore diet he really likes it he is really good now they know it they know it by name and they're calling it and they're referring to it and you know I've had I've had patience where I've seen them in the emergency department and they were like you know like do you do you like only eat meat and I'm like yeah how did you know that and they're like well actually I follow you on on Instagram and on your podcast like you know really like your your stuff I'm like oh okay um one guy he just had surgery like I hadn't even been in the hospital um you know so he didn't he didn't know me I hadn't met him personally but you know I I went into the hospital I had been at other hospitals you know and I came back to this was it was my first day back and and I was doing around and I didn't know anybody and I went up and I was like oh you know hello you know Mr so-and-so and he was just like hi Dr chafee I'm like what and like and then he just started talking to me about like Diet stuff I'm like it became clear that this guy knew me from from the podcast and he started like really trying to pick my brain about all these things and I'm like okay well I'm on rounds come back to this and um you know so it's it's interesting and you know more and more people are knowing about it more people are you know like recognizing you know uh people like oh yeah I know that guy follow that guy crazy so it's becoming more popular and and you know it's starting to hit get to you know approaching critical mass because now people like you know uh Lane Norton and and Gregor and all these sorts of people they have to talk and detract from a carnivore diet so it's made it's made it's it's become popular enough that now the mainstream people have to recognize and address it and say why they think it's wrong and why they don't uh support it and then people like Dr Barry who are much more intelligent and thorough as a scientist they've actually looked at this and go like oh actually there's something to this and instead of just you know being you know very uh you know petrified in their beliefs you know people are actually sort of changing so people are doing that too so I think I think it's sort of getting to that point where it's going to become very at least mainstream known mainstream quite soon so I think and I think the truth will allow I mean this just simply works you know and the Harvard um study um that at least put it on the map as far as something that you can you can actually test and Quantum it was a good proof of concept you had 2 000 people every single one improved dramatically over you know over many many different metrics and so that that that's hard to ignore as far as far as someone that's going to develop a study in nutrition you have to include this stuff now and so more and more and more will come out and I just think it will I think it will eventually be very very clear uh what is readily apparent to all of us doing this is that this is the way we're supposed to eat and this is you know what's healthy fingers crossed yeah I hope that I wonder do you think that we need to focus more on the benefits of carnivore and why it's right or focus more on why Ansel keys or specific people were wrong like what do you think will change more Minds with decor um I think you need both you know because like you the whole thing's like oh well you know you can talk about I think you started with well you know you know we you know biologically were carnivores and this is this is the best way for us to eat this is how we're designed and people say well okay because that's actually not A New Concept you know that's something that you know I was taught as a child in school was that humans or apex predators were hunter-gatherers all that stuff we're not gatherers we were hunters and so you know because again like no cave paintings of a salad so I mean seeing paintings of people picking berries it's hunting like that's what it is you know and so that is something that people already recognize that historically people were eating meat except you know the idiots out there that you know like um you know all these people just pushing like oh we've been vegan forever like in the face of every I mean why are we painting pictures of hunting animals if we did not hunt animals I mean that that is an absurd uh you know uh argument to make so apart from those of those people who don't know how to think you know most people understand that humans have been primarily hunters for a very long time and you know and so you can sort of get your head around that well yeah we've been needing me for a very long time this is what we're adapted to this is what we're designed to do biologically and they go yeah but doesn't me cause cancer doesn't mean that's the second question every time that's the next one doesn't cause heart disease doesn't cause this doesn't cause that well actually no and then you go into the fraud side of things so it is part of the whole whole argument and so uh but I think you start with this is the biologically appropriate diet for humans and then you can start you know picking apart why um the detractors of that diet had it wrong um you know even at that University of Washington study that just went through all the all the different you know data and studies looking at you know basically vilifying me unfairly so these are lazy studies and they you know they didn't really show anything and they were all flawed in a number of ways but people just run into the bank with these things you know and and forgetting and we're just ignoring not wanting to know that these things were flawed and not only flawed but most of them were fraudulent they had a lot of biases um you know the the Loma Linda uh Medical Group they may have like 81 different hospitals across the U.S you know The Seventh-Day Adventists they they have their little finger you know grubby little fingers and everything and so they put out a lot of uh studies that are that are just fraud you know to push their religious agenda which is wrong I mean which is weird it's not even the basis of actual religion it's just that that sect decided that you know meat made you lustful made you want to procreate oh my goodness no you know the perpetuation of the human species that right against God's law you know that that you know that made you lustful and lust was a sin therefore me it was bad that was their whole rationale it's like that's like the logic of a third grader you know and so you know and they and they never developed it after that they never thought about it after that going oh actually this is what it's doing it's actually making you healthier it's actually making our hormones work better and balance and your body's saying hey you're ready to procreate you're healthy enough to procreate which is your biological purpose and in most religions they they promote that they say Hey you know you know go forth and and uh multiply yeah yeah but like but then they're saying no no actually that that's a bad thing they're the only ones but they're putting out a lot of a lot of misinformation out there and it's fraudulent it's fraud you know they're they're doing bad science they're putting out bad studies to to push an agenda and um you know people are starting to understand that and uh and and then mainstream peer-reviewed studies and Publications are coming out in major journals that like the UW uh study they're just like yeah no this is crap you know so yeah I think I think it'll continue to get better this week yeah okay so so tell us about your your the work that you do uh in the carnivore space like what what um platforms you have now what sort of stuff are you putting out I mainly am on Instagram and just do fun little reels and try to trigger as many vegans as I can that's my goal and and one of my big goals I do have actually I do have a YouTube with my friend Serena and we make carnivore recipes and do interviews and things like that and it's called Carnival Revolution uh so I have those are my two main ones is YouTube and Instagram but another one of my goals for social media too is to uh d disneyfy society and make people uh uh desensitized desensitize people to animal death uh because I feel like even in the carnivore Community there's way too many people who can't watch an animal be being eaten by another animal without getting queasy and I think that that is uh kind of if you're gonna be a meat eater I think you kind of need to be able to know that in nature of animals are eaten alive and that's how it goes so um that's one of my goals too is just to be I'm I'm not a very subtle person I'm not a very a quiet person so I like to make a big splash and try to wake people up and that that is something that I do too is just I post really graphic videos to try to desensitize people fair enough well do you um do you feel like kind of uh what is it nature is metal on Instagram yes exactly yeah they're awesome you get like a daily clip of like some you know some lion hunting down a wildebeest or something it's like yeah that's what happens that's nature they're both you know they're both fighting for their life literally sorry no no I just I posted a real uh uh where there was two two birds I think there are birds eating fun or something like that and it was like screaming and they were it was like biting its neck and stuff and I was just eating chicken wings next to it on the Reel and I was like which one's more cruel and obviously neither one is cruel but you're told like in people obviously know in nature when an animal is eating another animal that it's not a cruel act that's just how it happens but for some reason when humans eat animals we're cruel even though we need those nutrients literally to survive so because we are like animals too like we're yes we're smart yes we have free will yes we have a conscious conscience but um we that doesn't mean that we can survive on plants like we we don't live in a like a Disney movie you know we live in reality so I think that even though we are more intelligent we're also incredibly stupid and it's it's quite tragic maybe even like Disney movies back in the day were pretty hardcore you know they had that was pretty pretty you know adult thing like Pinocchio that was dark you know like you know the story behind it but like um you know but that's the thing you know I I do talk to people and they're just like oh my God there's this cruel and this that and the other and it's horrible to kill an animal you know just to live and I was like and I just point out like okay so do we just go around we just kill all the predators in the world just all the birds all the lions all the dolphins all the fish you just just get rid of all these things just wipe them out um because that that's just too evil to like have an animal live on another animal and they're like well no no I mean that's just that's just nature I mean they're just they're just doing their nature it's like yeah we're in nature too like that's that's part of it it's because we live in houses doesn't mean that we you know get to get to step outside of the natural laws of the world and sorry you know like yeah you just no it's not gonna happen um and you know we you know and we're not an invasive species that just came down here from space and it's just completely outside of this and we can just you know pick and choose how we how we survive no we are involved in this this whole whole thing as well and you know you sort of forget that at your own detriment and you end up damaging yourself and the environment you know because you we're now doing a lot of things that actually damage the environment in order to you know make these sort of plant foods and all these sorts of things which destroy uh more than they more than they rebuild and you know and that's because we're getting outside of nature so you have to destroy nature in order to get away from nature and that's that's what these people are missing as well and I mean who did not grow up watching you know National Geographic videos like that was like my favorite thing was like National Geographic documentaries on like the lines of the Serengeti and like fighting the hyenas and like you know taking down you know elephants and done in a bicycle like this is awesome like that's all I wanted to see and now I watched and I watch a natural geographic thing the other day absolute just just nonsense I they'll have a hunt they're going like yes here it is here's the good part and they go down they're like chasing and they go like jump up on the on the back of this uh giraffe Cuts over to them eating it like what the hell you know like this like they just cut that out says oh God it's gonna be triggered like oh goodness you know it's just like you are supposed to be showing what's happening in nature you were supposed to be teaching people how the world works and you are you are purposefully censoring this stuff you know and that that's doing them a disservice you know because this is reality you know and um you know and also like if people should be watching that people watching that are they know what's going on like you know like just like I always like that stuff like we had a National Geographic um subscription like the magazines and things like that there was all sorts of wild stuff in there you know and um but yeah you're right we're very we're very removed you know people talk about you see those vegan videos with people saying like you'll go to this restaurant like oh yeah it's so great it's so good you go in the back and you just like murder this pig yourself it's amazing um first of all you're not getting one meal out of a pig right so like you'll eat for three months you're a big pig you know even more and um you know and then they're like they're like oh God do those poor things like just do it just Smash in the head with a sledgehammer like none of that's real and you know all of you are stupid you know and they say they talk about they think about this because they're so sort of sheltered into this way of thinking that no one has ever hunted in their life or no one has ever raised their own animals they're like oh my God wouldn't you just go out like you know if you had to kill your own animal like no one would do it like no one would do it like if you had to like kill an animal in the wild survive like just no one would be able to do it like people do it every damn day and they have historically before what's been happening for you know 50 000 years how do you think this all this all got started yeah well that's the thing we've only had grocery stores and like you know you know the the technology to move you know cattle and food and fruit across the world for like 50 years you know it's not really possible before that these things would spoil in a shipping container you know unless you had you know Refrigeration units all these sorts of things that technology didn't exist you know you had to eat was around you most people grew their own food raise their own animals and then milk them and and uh and and sheared them and ate them you know like that's what everyone did you know you know if you had to everyone would do it yeah including you that's one of the biggest insults I think that I get on uh on social media is when people go you wouldn't kill your kill a chicken to eat it I'm like excuse me just because you think like just because I I'm kind of cute like you think I can't kill him like are you kidding me yesterday where do you think I got this yeah I know I was like like my husband um had to go through this school for the military where they either had to kill a rabbit or a or a chicken I believe it was and they had to either hit the rabbit over the head or like deadlift the chicken and decapitate it and there was this part where the wives were invited to go through a part of the the school and they they went through the killing the animal part and I he didn't tell me about it and I was so bummed because I wanted to go and be able to like just like rip a chicken set off yeah yeah like I I want to be I want to learn like hunt and learn how to feel dress and get my own food and I don't want to just have to go to the grocery store and depend on that that's not the kind of life I want to live or the kind of meat eater I want to be like I want to be involved in nature and be a real like Hunter you know and even though I am female like I don't think that matters much but like I I have a desire to to do that more than just be given my food in a plastic wrapped container you know I and I think that that would be that's a cool thing too I I can't wait to get back to the United States so I can actually start hunting and doing these things more um because I feel I feel so trapped here because you can't there's no guns here I I don't think you can hunt really we go spear fishing um and I'm not really good at it I've never actually speared a fish um so but you made me go swimming with a gun yeah I was snorkeling I go snorkeling with a spear in my hand and I look when I shoot at things but I've gotten a scale one time but I've never actually gotten a fish because it's a lot harder than it looks but I like I want to do those things and I want to encourage other people to do those things and like be out there and I think it'd be so cool do you guys know of any uh places you can go for in the United States to actually go to like a butcher or a place where they kill the cows and and prepare them and everything like I think it'd be so cool to go there and watch from beginning to end how the process works and learn about it because it seems dumb to me that we're scared to do that or we're scared to watch it and we we can only have this like Burger on our plate and then we're okay with it like I want to watch the whole process you know yeah there are I mean you can go to like rural butchers and things like that and they'll then because you can order a cow through a butcher and they're like okay they'll get the cow and they'll process it and things like that and um yeah I guess you could ask to just to sort of watch that and watch it happen um and then like if you have like ranchers or or someone has a form they'll just come out they want to you know take one cow out there are butchers that will actually go to your property and just and they have like sort of a mobile sort of uh butcher shop and they'll sort of take it in the back of this thing and you know kill it there and then you know sort of process the whole thing you know in the back of this trailer that's all set up for that um then there's there's places if you can just go to Farms really and a lot of them will process their meat there themselves or you know have a butcher come out and I was I was buying a um a sheep here and I was talking to someone about about that and there was a doctor he was a rural GP from South Africa but he lives out here and um and he has like a bunch of sheep and things like that so I was going to buy one off of him and and he was saying like yeah you want to come down you can be you know involved in it you can help you know you know Slaughter it and process it and things like that I'm like absolutely I mean I think it's the same thing like I think if you're gonna do this you need to be involved in the process and you need to know what that means people used to know where their food can came from I remember hearing that as a kid you know people don't know where their food came from anymore and it always felt like a weird thing to me it's like well came from the store and uh no but I knew it came from animals and and I knew that they they were raised for that um but you know it's a very different you know you know intellectually like understand oh yeah that comes from animals or whatever and actually being involved in the process you're like okay well that's this is real and you have a much deeper appreciation for you know the sacrifice of that animal and that's why you know you know Hunters people think people don't get it they think of hunters as just these like butchers and just you know would-be murderers they'd be going around killing killing people if they could get away with it but they just kill deer instead uh you know I'm sure there have been examples of that in in the past but like that by no means is that is that uh any you know almost anyone to any significant degree um or statistically zero really but you know but there's like a very big you talk to hundreds you talk to people like they really appreciate that animal they really appreciate the sacrifice they feel it every time they they kill an animal and I mean so many people are just like wow I really appreciate this animal you know like taking this animal's life is going to feed my family for the rest of the year they'll really appreciate this and blah blah blah and so you know they actually they actually appreciate animals lies and their sacrifice a lot more you know and they're much usually much more involved in uh you know Wildlife Conservation as well um you know it's it's very superficial just to say why do I need I don't eat meat therefore I'm doing something good it's like well you don't you don't actually know what that's doing you know you don't know what the downstream effects of that decision are and in in most cases they're actually detrimental to the exact things that you're trying to help you know because in in life it's pretty consistent theme that you need tragedy to have some sort of good thing happen and I feel like oh too many people in society today think that we can go through life and just have sunshine and rainbows all the time if everyone just gets along and hugs each other and and things like that and that's not how life works that's not how any aspect of like life works even to like building muscle like you have to break it down and you have to have pain in order to get better so every single part of life when when people try to make it better and they disregard the bad aspects of it it's only going to make things worse 100 of the time like you have to have the bad to have the good which is the whole like every single culture every single religion has the balance of Good and Evil um as far as I know I don't want to say every but as far as I know um they have all the good ones all the good ones they have the balance of Good and Evil because they understand and I think that we're we're getting so disconnected from reality uh of thinking that we can just have good and that people can just be good and that's not possible yeah or that people are good you know yeah exactly like life is one big network of incentives and our incentives are get nutrition and protect ourselves and our family right and everybody's working in that same way and yeah we can work together and be good to each other but we're all going for a for a really a selfish outcome uh and and that's because we are part of Nature and the lion is going for a selfish outcome it's trying to get a feed so is every other animal we're part of it you can't just remove us from it lock them up and then have this mono crop thing on the side that's actually destroying you know this nature you're trying to protect at the same time none of it you know none of it makes sense yeah and that's and that's the thing too you know when you have when you have when you sort of work within a natural system that that's system of of incentives actually ends up working out you know because you're you're trying to do things that are right for you and so and that actually ends up helping people around you and working in cooperation that helps you know a lot of people around you um even just being being free to interact in the way that you want that benefits people um you know if you want greed does not give people a better bigger paycheck it's like all these greedy billionaires I was like well they could be greeky you know they might be greedy but that's not what they made them billionaires or millionaires you know because like I I you know that however greedy you are like I want a billion dollars an hour oh okay I'll give you that then like that that's not how that works you know like you can be greedy and want a lot but that doesn't mean anyone's going to pay you that you know so you have to be able to find something that people want to pay you for so what do you have to do you have to provide benefit to other people's lives you know in exchange you know for money they they're you're you're going to benefit their lives somehow and if you don't benefit their life you don't get anything from them so you have to find benefit in other people's lives that they value more than the money that they are giving you right you know like Bill Gates is as crazy as he's become he did not become rich by you know by by like robbing people and screaming like just being greedy he provided you know products that that revolutionize the home computer world and and it really really helped Society in general and so you know that that's something that you have to do and so you know just these these you know you can be selfish but you still have to provide something for other people that's that's and then when you start messing with that then you get people that are just greedy and because they have government control over things they can just do whatever they want but then that actually screws things up but I think that when you sort of let things happen on their own and you and your own natural incentives are are able to play out that actually helps people at large as well and the World At Large because it's in no one's best interest to have a bunch of polluted water you know and if you have water on your land and that's your water on your land you know you you are going to benefit by keeping that clean and so if you have a neighbor Upstream that's sort of throwing a bunch of crap in it like you have something importantly hey cut that out you know and then you have you know something something to take up with them so that actually ends up having this big knock-on effect of actually helping quite a lot of the world and society and it's just more or less Society but just you know the world in large yeah I think that's a good argument too for for having small communities instead of like one large system um because it's easier to to communicate and have have like um people like-minded in the same same thing because if it's too big then you have people who are greedy and don't want too much control and then things go out of out of hand and I think that's another thing that's really cool about the carnivore Community too is that we we really are Community mindset and encourage people to buy local and get to know each other and get back to our traditional roots and get out of this like hive mind like connected to everything in the world mentality and just go back to Nature and simpler times and small communities and growing food if you want those if you want some something grown and you think in farming and stuff like that um so I yeah I I agree but you're right though I mean like you look in in the United States when we started out in you know the early United States that was the whole point was that you have your own community that that's like the most powerful unit you guys can just do whatever you want you can choose what happens in your community your home was the main thing your home your each man is you know king of his own castle like you that is your you get to that's your land that's your property you get to do what the hell you want uh you know in in you know as long as you aren't violating other people's rights and then you have your own little Community you make your own little rules that work in that Community you guys also think I I think this is the best thing for us let's just do that you don't like it you go to you go to another another community and be like okay yeah those guys were crazy let's go over here and or you start your own a lot of people you know moved out west for exactly that reason uh in America and and then you you know it sort of goes up a bit from there and goes up and you sort of have these interconnected small autonomous groups and that's then that get finally get up to a state level and those were supposed to be autonomous countries that then have this interconnection sort of like an EU that worked and um you know that that you know have but they had these these um those but it all started down at the individual level at the community level and that's something that you see now it's very it's very very um um important for them to break that apart and that's exactly why they're they're focusing on breaking apart these small communities and and the churches and religious religions and and and just breaking up those social structures and that social network and even attacking the family and saying that oh that's not a good idea your parents aren't there for you we're here for you the teachers are here for you the you know the government's here for you and they're just trying to break that up at the fundamental level of family level Community level and because that's how you that's how you break apart a society and so if you want to have a strong Society that's how you structure it you know from from the ground up and they're trying to break that apart because they don't want they don't they don't want that Society they want their own Society they want to have something else they want control and um yeah demonstration of that I mean it's very in the side the carnival Community as an example it's very intuitive for us to know to question things uh and to kind of as we say build things from the ground up I mean the government dietary guidelines is the ultimate centralized approach to to you know to management right and it's like you know okay it's the guidelines are for sale who's got the most money all right well the processed food and and sugar Lobby had the most money so they got to dictate you know what what the an entire country or countries is uh and look and look how sick we've all become and so for us to say ah I don't want this centralized approach to my food and my health I want a more you know independent local Grassroots approach that works for me and my family well you know and then all these things flow on it you know all these other themes kind of end up being discussed in the carnival Community because it is about like sovereignty and Independence yeah it's crazy how much it's all connected once you and you can't unconnect it because I think a lot of times people will try to or people say like stay in your own lane and that it is it's all connected like what you eat in them trying to uh control what we eat to make us weaker I genuinely believe that that um make us weaker and more dependent and so then what does that mean so we they can control us more and put more regulations on these things and get more money and all these things so you can't just say that we're eating meat because it's healthy like we it's so much more than that and and it trickles and dominoes Domino effects like to every aspect of Our Lives that we don't even really think about a lot um from the biggest to the smallest issues it's it in that's nature too like if you think about it like uh when we're trying to disconnect ourselves from nature like we can't like everything in life is interconnected and we're all interconnected and something affects something else and so yeah it's it's very interesting and I'm really proud to be like a part of the carnivore Community to where we are encouraging people to question things and look into things and um stand up for what they believe in and do what they know is right for them and not just listen to someone else blindly and it it really is a really cool movement to be a part of and then on top of that you get to eat delicious food and feel great the time yeah so are you are you living on base in Japan no we walked out and we are in a little City and yomitan yomitan Sun um it's next it's about a mile away from where my husband works but you either are told that you have to live on base or if they're at 90 capacity you get to live off base and so we lucked out with that and we were in a Japanese neighborhood and none of not really many of our neighbors speak very much English we just kind of wave and say like or Ohio design loss and things like that and just nod at each other so yeah I it's been really cool though I I'm enjoying yeah I just I just Googled you're an Okinawa right is that the yeah so it's on it's on like a beautiful sea I can see the water is really green it looks it looks beautiful yeah they're the coral reefs here are amazing and it's really fun to go spear fishing even though I don't catch anything it's still fun to just walk like look and see all the things you saw a Shark what y'all the fish you can't catch yeah it's like oh you look good if I can't get you um yeah we saw a Shark one time that was really people like swam right by us and uh we saw we were my husband had a fish on a spear and he was trying to help me get one and he was pointing at one one time and there's this huge eel coming out of a rock and it was like and it was going up towards him and he didn't see it and he was pointing down he was like go get that fish go get that fish and I was like do you not see that big of you like we're trying to like talk to each other underwater and and I was like my bag and he finally saw it was like oh shoot and uh I think he was trying to like get the fish that was on his spear but that that was pretty intense so we swam away and then there's there's a ton of sea snakes out here that oh wow no it's so cool it's so fun I don't know maybe I'm a psychopath and I just don't have a sense of danger or what's supposed to be gross and things like that but I I love it I enjoy it oh that's cool thank you so Jess it's going carnivore in what was it sometime in 2020 was it that you first went Carnival um what what are you eating and uh and like what's working for you on Carnival I am eating uh things I want to eat I think that's I think that's a something people always try to like force themselves to eat certain Meats because other people are and I feel like just eat the meat that you're craving and um so I eat what I crave so it usually goes and flows of like maybe I'll eat more pork maybe I'll eat more beef maybe I'll eat some chicken um but the most consistent one obviously is beef but every now and then I'll eat more chicken like drumsticks or I'll have some liver or and things like that so yeah I'm eating meat obviously some Dairy and uh eggs and that's that's it and is it quite high fat or what's what's your approach there um I tried the high five thing because that's kind of like going around the carnivore community and I I know a lot uh and I'm trying to put on muscle so I was like oh yeah you got to eat to get big and so I was like eating high fat and I just I just gained like 10 pounds of fat from eating high fat so I stopped that and now I just prioritize protein and I don't add extra butter and extra fat on top of things I just eat the meat and I feel so much better I know it's working for some people but no that route did not work for me which I think is interesting because you the the whole thing is like you can't get fat fat doesn't make you fat and it's like I don't know because like you shouldn't anyway but the thing is that some people have some people have hormonal issues that they they just you know they store fat differently and that I think that goes away though I mean like like Kelly Hogan like she gained she definitely gained weight you know um but eventually it just clicked over she just kept going like hey I trust process trust process and like after like six months of gaining weight and be very nervous about the situation it ended up someone clicked and then she just started you know shredding off that you know and so and there's a lot of people that are like that but it's it's a very small percentage of people there are some people that sort of have to be you know that they might like in your case or if they eat like certain things they'll gain weight and so they have to be a bit more careful with it most people don't you know um but it happens it does happen but I think that I think that eventually sort of it'll sort of normalize I think the thing is it's not about eating high fat or high protein or high this or high that you you just need to eat what's right for you you have to eat what's right for your body and you have to get enough you know you do need a certain amount of fat you know and you need to get enough fat and you also need a certain amount of proteins you need to get enough protein and that's the main thing and so that balances out differently for different people yeah and I don't track anything either I just eat when I'm hungry and I stop eating but I'm not I'm definitely not eating low fat like the burgers we get are high fat um eat like the dark meat chicken and things like that I'm just not adding like extra butter and things like that to to my food um but yeah that's interesting I maybe I have maybe I mean obviously I probably saw some healing to do I I wrecked my gut for most of my life um so I which is which is I also think it's funny when people um try carnivore for a week or something like that and they're like oh it's not for me it didn't work and it's like you think that you can reverse all of the stuff that you put your body through in a week like you need to like I've been doing this for three years and it's still like in need to have healing like um like I still kind of it's a little bit of breakouts nothing like I used to uh when I had really bad acne but like I obviously still am healing and and it was almost 30 years of my life I was just completely like wrecking my hormones and wrecking my gut and um had a horrible immune system so it's gonna take a little longer to heal you know like I wasn't I was not in good shape before this and like that's a funny thing too you know they do for you know people do it for a couple times like oh I knew I didn't lose you know I had 200 pounds to lose I didn't I didn't lose I only only lost 20 pounds in the last month which is not working it's not working for me like and then you go back to eating what you were doing before and then you just gain all the way back and then um it is it is a bit funny you know um some people get will get quite impatient they you know they want they want it now I I think it's perfect one I always think about is um it was like a a Simpsons thing where like Mo like wanted to turn his bar into a restaurant and so we had this giant deep fryer and he's just like he's talking Homer he's just like he's like oh yeah you know this thing can Flash fry a buffalo in 40 seconds and Homer's like oh but I want it now like that yeah yeah yeah this is like and that's how people think you know they've been struggling their whole life you know I just saw a lady in in clinic um the other day and she's been waiting to get spinal surgery for two years so because she needs to lose weight down under BMI under 30 because it's just you know it's a lot harder to do surgery and it's also much more dangerous and much higher infection risk and so she's been trying doing this and she's been slowly sort of losing weight she's a couple oh yeah you know I've lost like two kilos in the last like six months and you know so it's doing really good and all this sort of stuff and it's just like that's what people are used to doing he's like getting like a few kilos a year four kilos five kilos a year you know like when I when I was going with like different diets and programs are like yeah if you lose like a you know a pound or two pounds a month that's a good clip that's a good healthy amount of weight to lose and then you just you're just gonna have to you have 200 extra pounds you're just going to be after doing this you know for 100 months you know that's just how it is and then you get people on a carnivore and and they're losing dramatic weight and they're like oh yeah I've lost like 70 pounds 80 pounds in the last six months and uh but you know it's still I've still got all this stuff it's really slowing down like well when is this gonna happen when is this going to finish and it's like think about it think about how much you know the dramatic Improvement they've had like you've never lost weight I've ever lost weight this fast like no have you ever felt this good no have you ever had energy like this before no I was like well so recognize that this is actually a really fast process and wanting to go even faster you know is um you know it's a bit it's a bit funny because you know this is faster than you've ever gone in your life you know it's the better results than you've ever had in your life and so you know just just recognize that things are working and that things are going well just just let it go you know just and just realize things take time you know yeah yeah in the um Dr chafee and I run a carnival Challenge and like people will do it for one month and they'll lose like say 10 pounds maybe 15 pounds and and then like you know their skin conditions will go their gut will heal up they'll have more energy um their sleep will finally be fixed all this sort of stuff and then in the second month they're like I only lost five pounds and we're and we're like how are you feeling oh I feel great I feel so good like you know I'm you know I'm glowing and then but it's not working for me because I've only lost five pounds yeah it's just five pounds right okay yeah that goes into what Simon and I were talking about too before you before you came in of um we're so um I don't want to say brainwashed but conditioned we're still conditioned to believe that if someone is skinny or looks fit then that means health and like especially in Okinawa people always ask me like oh you live in Okinawa that's a Blue Zone everyone's so healthy there and it's like they're they're very small people um they look fit or they look trim they don't look fit but they look trim they're not typically overweight that doesn't mean they're healthy and um it's just an interesting thing that people just equate Health to looking a certain way and instead of like thinking about what's actually internally happening um and I think that that is something like a mindset shift that we need in society too of Health isn't the person on the cover of a magazine um even like no matter how good they look like that has nothing to do with how healthy they are first but it it the the opposite I think is tricky too if once you get obese like there there is a line of like yeah that's not healthy and we can tell we can visually tell that you're not happy yeah well you I'm usually just having that excess statiposity is just a sign that you're doing other things that aren't healthy either you know and so you know it can be you know it's smoke it's not the fire you know it's just there's a sign that other things are happening as well and you know and people being small and slender that sometimes just has to do with not getting enough food as opposed to getting the right food and you know for most of human history people were you know had had didn't have enough to eat as opposed to have way too much to eat and the wrong kinds of things to eat and so you know that's why when people were very big and even over very overweight that was a sign of prosperity that was actually like you know you were you were a gangster like the fatter you were that's why that guy in the 18 you know the 1890s just like I'm just a boss you know and you know that was the thing you know back like in the Middle Ages you know because like no one no one had enough to eat so if you had so much more to eat that you were fat you know then that you know that that meant something you know you weren't you weren't like uh you weren't you hadn't really made it until you had gout you know it was just like that was just a sign of prosperity and um you know now obviously you know we we know better but that that's how it was because you know everyone was skinny and and starving you know so skinny doesn't necessarily mean you're healthy and you're eating the right thing just it can it can be as simple as you're not eating enough and you know certainly a lot of people in in China over the last century with all the you know forced famines they were very skinny and very stunted and and and very unhealthy you know because of that and and then you get that genetic population comes to Australia or America they start having better access to better food and Wham they like you know six foot four kids you know where they're like five two this little wizard little you know people in their 30s you know and they look like they're like you know 70 year old grandparents and um you know because they just had such a rough life and uh but they're skinny so I guess that I guess that's what matters yeah I'm so excited for the next generation of carnivore kids and just to completely dominate we are forced to be reckoned with this community and I I feel like that it puts a really big Target on people's backs too but could you imagine like if this if this way of eating and this mindset kind of took off and went mainstream that would be really scary for a lot of people because we would we would be bigger we would be stronger we even like our teeth like how our teeth fit in our Jaws like we wouldn't need orthodontists we wouldn't need um eye doctors we wouldn't need all these things that are just considered normal nowadays um and it'd be that'd be a really cool Society to be a part of I hope I get to see it yeah when you when you're healthy like that you're not reliant on so many things you know yeah unless your expenses go down a lot you know um I I'm I'm I I think that will happen and I hope it will um I don't want it to happen quite yet because I don't have kids yet and I actually do like the idea of having my kids have you know you know like having this crazy Advantage yeah I mean think about it all the carnivore kids now I mean they're just gonna be superheroes you know they're gonna be going through school you know high school they're all gonna be like six foot six you know they're not gonna they're gonna be smart as hell like Wicked athletes you know they're just gonna kill it they're just gonna kill it and like you know you you know so you want your kids to have an advantage and so you don't have kids yet so I'm like you know people will slow down this this old movement for a bit until Dr Chevy can you know pop out some progeny and like and then we'll sort of ramp it up again we'll be and with the with the birth rates too just like absolutely declining the carnivores are going to be the only ones that are going to be able to reproduce so we're going to be our societies uh reproduction rates are going to be on our shoulders so yeah that'd be good yeah we'll just have to we just have to take responsibility and be good parents and teach teach our kids uh to think for themselves and and ask questions and not just listen to Authority for no reason other than that they're they have like they're on TV or they're the authority so see if we can get like a carnivore sort of instilled in like the the Mormon and Catholic church and it was just ripping out like nine kids or something like that you just have them all be like carnivore kids as well that would that would are we planning a cold right now is this how colds are starting oh I think we're going cross-cult we got the Mormons and the Catholics right we don't discriminate between Cults you know I'm excited no um all right Jess well thank you so much for joining Dr chafee and I that was really fun yeah yeah and it's uh it's nice to know you and know more about you as well because now we can you know we can chat more on Instagram Etc and maybe maybe meeting one we'll meet in person one day too yeah go to Australia I'm not very far away from Australia and there's a town carnivores in Australia so yeah have you guys had a meet up yet a carnivore Meetup in Australia so yeah and we're sort of hosted out we hosted our own didn't we went at low carb Down Under yeah sort of yeah yeah you got a lot of carnivore people we all went out for dinner yeah we should do that I think I think that's something that I've wanted to sort of do more in Perth I can't really organize these things myself so I just I never had time but um there's a Facebook group like Aussie carnivores or something like that and um I've seen people try to sort of set something up a couple times there but um I don't know if that was actually successful but yeah it's something you're right you know just like building these communities it's something that we should do we should try to meet people in your area and sort of you know get to know people and be friendly and I've started meeting more doctors and people here that that are um of that mind and um and yeah and so we'll like go to dinner or get steaks or have you know barbecues or something like that and so that's fun and um and then Jordan Peterson will be here next week which would be cool another carnivore in the house and um are you are you going yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm going um so yeah I was I'm doing a like a blog post for the the lion diet um website for Michaela Peterson and so I was able to talk to them and and just sort of mention you know I was in Perth and uh and the tickets were sold out and uh and they were actually able to to give me tickets which was really really cool of them and so I'm really looking forward to that I've been a big I was a Jordan Peter fan piece of him before like anyone knew who he was yeah it was cool man yeah that's it I was and like you know but but when he first started talking out about Bill c-16 up in Canada you know the you know forcing you to uh use people's preferred pronouns and he was just like hey this is a bad this is a bad road to go down and so we started making these these you know Arguments for that and people started just just ostracizing him and he was just he was able to like just stand up and just and just I mean they really did not realize who they were getting in in a squabble with you know you just shut them down that's why I was like dude this guy is bang on the money and um you know and I saw these videos that they were like trying to say oh look how horrible and hateful this person is I'm like dead ass right good for him and so I started following him and he started it was interesting because I first got really interested in him because like he was he was talking about things and using the same vernacular that like Thomas Sowell would in a lot of ways almost like Jesus I'm about to mention that yeah and it found out I found I actually know he hadn't read Thomas Seoul yet but he'd come to these conclusions the same conclusions that Saul had but like through a very different end route through like you know psychology and and in history and um and and I was just like okay you know this guy you know this guy's quite insightful in in a lot of ways that uh people just don't really yeah he's scratching the surface of similar to Milton Friedman I think have you seen have you you know yeah yeah yeah yeah it's you know a bit of a those three so Friedman and Peterson you know pretty wise People Big Time Walter Williams as well you should definitely check that guy out too that was that was like a Soul's best friend for 50 years something like on the rabbit hole I guess he's brilliant Economist as well very similar background to to uh Seoul you know his black guy grew up in like the you know the the projects of um Philadelphia and um but he was like saying like the black community then was very different you know it was like 95 you know 90 marriage rates you know he said his father had you know uh walked off on them but he said he was one of the only ones you know he was the only person he knew that didn't have a father so he was in that community and he had other people's parents other people's fathers that sort of taught him how to be you know a man um crazy upbringing this guy had he was a basketball player I know we're getting off on a tangent but I think it's really interesting he uh he played basketball he was really good basketball player and um and so he was just playing you know sort of Street Hoops his cousin was actually um a guy named Dr J he was like a Julius Irving he was like it was like a famous famous basketball player you look up his highlights they're awesome and so um and so he was you know he loved basketball he played basketball and he was the best guy in his neighborhood he was the best guy in you know Philly like they'd be playing and like he would always win always win always win and then this guy who's like sort of the second best but he was always win he like went away for a summer like went to like a camp or something like that and came back and he was just he was just a little better than him and he's just beating him just beating him just being but like close it wasn't like he was kicking his ass or something like that but he was just like consistently beating him and he got really really uh bummed out by that because he his dream was to play in the NBA and he was just like well Jesus like if I'm only the second best guy in my neighborhood then obviously I don't have what it takes you know and it sort of crashed his dreams well the guy who was the guy who's who had just started beating him who he had been better than the year before was Wilt Chamberlain one of the all-time greatest basketball players in history the guy scored personally a hundred points in one of them in one of his games himself a hundred points yeah he was a superstar the guy was a absolute don't I mean he's just the most dominant player of his era and like you know you'd have to sort of look at that you say like maybe Jordan you know or like you know some of that that would be or like LeBron James those would be the only people that could compete for all-time best with Will Chamberlain that guy was an absolute physical Force you know and he was just a little not quite as good as him you know what I mean like how depressing is that like that like he must have been amazing you know and uh but that was it and then he said um there was a guy in his neighborhood it was kind of a joker he's just a bit of a you know neighborhood clown and his mom says like you don't you don't get to hang out with that kid anymore he's you he's too silly he's just he's not gonna amount to anything he's just you know he's just too jokey and and uh he's not serious enough right don't you don't get to hang out with him uh that was Bill Cosby yeah yeah I was just like Jesus a lot of talent coming out of that neighborhood crazy absolutely crazy yeah but that was the thing you know you had Parents you know and you had and you had people that were poor and they were absolutely under the gun they had real real institutional racism and real things against them and so that made them that at that Community level you know doubling back to what we were talking about you're always stronger at the community level at the family level they had a strong family very strong families structure they had very strong uh community and that actually was able to weather them and defend them and protect them so that they could grow up and be prosperous same with soul you know and um and we don't have that anymore that's that's breaking down across the board for everyone and it's and it's only hurting people yeah the whole like strong men make good times good times make weak men weak men make bad times where do you think we are in that just real quick but where do you think we are in that in that situation are we in the week times or or are the bad times or are we in the weak men making that we're we're in the weak men making bad times we're coming into bad times good times when we were kids yeah the 90s sometimes that that is one thing I do say about uh Okinawa in Japan is that it feels like the 90s and the early 2000s here um or the 90s because it feels like pre-911 here like when you could just run around your neighborhood and your parents it was just like my dad would just whistle and we'd like run back for dinner and um you could just go around town and do whatever you wanted and hang out and life was great it was um just the US was the greatest thing ever and pride for your country was was cool and um so it feels like that here where like kids are just running around everything's happy-go-lucky you can leave your bike outside the grocery store and No One's Gonna Take It um people are nice to you and so it just it really feels like that here um so I I I do miss the United States because I'm American but uh yeah it that's definitely a cool thing about Japan yeah definitely yeah it sounds nice I think Alaska would be about the same that's what I've heard from people saying this is sort of like 1950s America you know just yeah except really cold crazy cold yeah gorgeous though absolutely gorgeous like the mountains there and everything just a stunning stunning things yeah probably the most beautiful part of the world I've ever been in my life was Alaska and um but my God is it cold I keep I keep playing with that I mean like it would be so cool I would love to live in Alaska but I just I just can't get my head around being cold for the rest of my life you know you know maybe for like for two months in summer or something yeah awesome hiking hunting Outdoors no you just have a vacation house in Alaska yeah you know I could even do a winter there because it gets cold enough it's just like it's you're just bundling up anyway you're going to be warm you're going to be indoors where it's warm and not going to just sort of be in this halfway place if it's not quite cold enough to like do anything about it and and you're just a bit chilly all the time um and um you know even like just whether like a winter there with just like deep snow and just stunning Vistas like I think that would be pretty cool to be on the cabin you know in in the middle of Alaska you know for that I think that would be amazing but um yeah maybe not forever you know it'd just be relaxed I just don't I just can't be cold all the time I just can't do it yeah no way no way sorry sorry you guys just what were you gonna say oh no I I'm sorry we're we're just talking too much um yeah yeah my parents ask me to say my parents have a cabin up in Big Bear in California and they they love it but they like so they'll go up and just enjoy it but then when it starts to snow if it ever snows in California because that is another thing that doesn't happen as much as it used to um but they'll come back down the mountain and go back because it's like a 30 degree difference so they're the same where they they'll like go up the mountain and enjoy it and then just like come back down when they've had too much of the cold yeah yeah as a yeah California is one of the only places probably the only place that you can you can Ski and Surf in the same day yeah and have different weather too and yeah well and enjoy both you know like I'm sure there are other places that like you know have to have the sea there but it's like blistering cold you know I mean like you can surf in Ireland but like you'll hate yourself for it you know and like I've I've gone I went surfing there once and it's actually pretty good waves because you just got you know it's crashing off the off the Atlantic but it's it's like it's like Glacier melt you know it's like just these icebergs you know it like just melt and that's it was insanely cold it was just the coldest water I've ever been in my life yeah just hands down it was insane it felt more it felt Sub-Zero you know like it maybe like the salt just like kept it from freezing all the way you know but it was so damn cold it was just awful yeah I definitely lucked out growing in southern Growing Up in Southern California didn't realize how how different other states work like because you when you're a kid you grow up in a certain area and you just assume everyone else has the same experience as you you don't really like understand that some other kid in like Wyoming is like in like up to his eyeballs and snow um so and then when I moved when I got married and we moved to different started moving around I was like oh man we really lucked out with California weather like it's it's so different everywhere else yeah now it is cool um all right let's wrap yeah just thank you so much yeah and that's right what are the socials and everything like that oh yeah yeah how can we find you yeah so my Instagram is just my name jessalyn.randle and on YouTube uh it's my name Justin or jessalyn Randall and then I also have the carnivore Revolution YouTube with Serena with Serena who's awesome who Dr Jeffy and I know very well yeah definitely awesome well thank you so much for coming on it's been it's been a pleasure a lot of fun talk I think we sort of went off on a bit of a ramble there but you know anyway I I liked it anyway so it's nice but yeah cool all right well thank you so much it was it was a pleasure