Is Your FOOD Causing Your Disease? | Susan Harris Reverses Diabetes

welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you very much for joining me for another episode of the plantree MD I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest uh Mrs Susan Harris who I met in Costa Rica doing the reversed series uh down there and we're here to talk to her about uh her story and recovery and also about her books that she's been writing she writes children's books and we're going to hear more about that Susan thank you so much for coming on it's a pleasure to see you again thank you so much for having me on Dr chy it's wonderful to see you you look great and congratulations on your engagement W thank you so much I appreciate that and you look great too and you were well that I mean that a good place to start you know for people haven't come across you in your story um you know can you tell us a bit about you and and how you came to a corn or D and what what your results were yeah it was back in 2021 that I was very very sick I had a number of symptoms that were just very out there I was throwing up I had bruises and bumps unexplained ones on my skin I was just weighing 117b so there really was was no reason why I should be this sick my vision was blurry and I couldn't concentrate very well I was feeling very scared to even be left alone uh I was pretty high maintenance in that regard very fearful a sense of dread was over me I had suffered from constipation also and that's when I went to the doctor and based on my symptoms he decided to test for colon cancer and that was very very scary to hear and so we did our test and on September 29th 2021 the receptionist phoned me and she said the doctor would like you to come in today and I went in and he said the good news is you do not have colon cancer the bad news is you have type two diabetes with an A1C level of 13.2 wow goodness yeah so that I mean for people don't don't know about hba1c that's a marker of a sort of it's It's thought to be a three-month average supposed to be a three-month average of blood sugar and that's the the the glycation end products the advanced glycation end products from glucose and hemoglobin this is what we talk about when we get damaged to our body from being diabetic or having this blood sugar Spike and you can even even if you get even if you're not diabetic and you can get your blood sugar down you have that Spike and blood blood sugar that's damaging your body and it comes down but that area under the curve is all damaged to your body and then when you're diabetic it's always above uh the curve and you have this big massive area under the curve and so you get more and more damage and that compounds and that's what kills diabetics that's what makes their toes rot off and they have to get foot and leg amputations their kidneys fail uh the most common cause of kidney failure is diabetic uh complications uh they get diabetic retinopathy people go blind uh they get AOS sclerosis heart disease they get Alzheimer's being told type 3 diabetes hormonal dysfunction PCOS premature menopause an ovarian failure um again from from insulin resistance and damage and uh and then you know they can die from the complications of of diabetes so very very serious uh hba1c should you know be well and truly under six you know and um and over 6.5 is typically considered diabetic and um so 13.2 is is massive that's a massive Mass yes level and um my doctor said I'm going to put you on Metformin and something in my mind at that point in time it was a gut instinct to just F and I said please give me three months and if my lifestyle changes to diet exercise and what have you don't make a difference then I will take the medication you offer so he also knew I was a writer he had a certain level of confidence that if I say I will do something I will indeed follow through and he slapped on a continuous glucose monitor on my arm and he said I need you to monitor your blood sugar level with this to give me a prescription to purchase more and using that I started to track what my blood sugars were as I was eating so I never took medication and in 32 days My fasting blood sugar was normal M and when I went back to him I was just at the very low end of diabetes after 3 months he had never seen this kind of results that someone did not use metformin or any insulin or anything and you go from 13.2 to like 6 point something in three months he had never seen that before um rather it was 7.2 and by seven months I was in pre-diabetic mode and today I am at 5.7 I took my A1C test last week but I knew it would have been lower because you know Dr try excitement and uh whether it is positive or negative it raises blood sugar and I released this book what will Timmy eat on September 3rd and I have been in high alert mode I have been very anxious about it and excited and with all of that my blood sugar my A1C level was 5.7 on uh September 28th when I did those tests so I have maintained it over the years nice well that's great um so so your dietary interventions what what exactly were you eating in order to to achieve those results yes so back then I didn't know about carnivore so I just went on a low carb diet I began to eat I continued eating the regular Foods as a matter of fact the fresh fruits and vegetables that you know the Canada food guide had told me what to eat the dietician had given me you know a picture of what our plate should look like so I was eating the vegetables the fruits the nuts the grains the meats in uh the amount that they took told us half of your plate should be fruits and veggies quarter of your plate should be grains and nuts and the other qu should be protein that came from animal as well as nuts um P of my plate should be carbs rather not not nuts so the um the different grains and pastas and potatoes and stuff so I just started to cut down the amount I was eating I looked at my portion sizes I bought a little scale and I started to be very conscious of what I was eating and that really helped me drop a few pounds even though I didn't really have much pounds to drop but I still dropped some and so I got good numbers while being on the regular diet MH I came down into pre-diabetes range however I was still having a number of symptoms while the blood sugars were leveling off I was still having the Unexplained bruises I was still having a lot of itching on my skin a lot of inflammation and a lot of pain so when I actually met you in Costa Rica I was at that stage where the blood sugars were pretty getting pretty okay but the inflammation and the pain and all of that was still there and then you Dr kenberry Dr uh Sarah Ziva with with all the education we learned there I realized that if I should go on this kind ofor diet then this will really help me so by removing the nuts which I thought was so good like Amon nuts for example they're perfect for someone with diabetes you would think because it doesn't Spike blood sugar but what it was doing with its very very High oxalate content it was creating a lot of inflammation in my body so for example a um as as you will know a half cup of amids has 244 milligrams of oxalates spinach has 755 milligrams of oxalates those were the things that I was told to eat from the Canada food guide and they were killing my metabolic system and cauliflower had only 2.7 milligrams so I have practically given up what I was taught as healthy only about one8 of what I have been told to eat on the Canada food guide is what I could really eat to be metabolically healthy to have no inflammation to have no bumps and bruises to have no blurry vision and to have my blood glucose level be normal what I eat is just from the protein section here some Dairy eggs meat and fish cheese and I keep apples at home instead of oranges because you say when a person has had diabetes it's always good to have something sweet I don't keep chocolates or anything I keep apple around and I sometimes eat cauliflower very rare because on the carnivore diet I started to lose weight I went down to 92 pounds and I thought oh my goodness I don't have much weight to lose I'm about 100 right now so I just interjected back um an other Apple sometime once a month add a little bit of cauliflower sometime once a month also but it's primarily what you all taught us about a carival diet that got got me into the fives so 5.7 um mm o per liter is my A1 is is my no My fasting is like 4.9 mm o per per liter and my A1C is like 5.7 so I'm constantly in the fives but it was my carnivore diet that has pushed me and kept me dear oh good it's um yeah between like four and five that's just TR to ially would say it's like is an ideal um glucose range so that's perfect um you know the the HB andc can be a bit of a blunt instrument because you know you don't know for sure that your red blood cells are living three months it could be a little longer a little shorter but it just gives you it gives you a Rough Guide but you know your dayto day like with a CGM as long as the cgm's accurate you be be a bit better and and you just take your fasting glucose and it's you know 4.9 something like that it's perfect um yes that that is what was happening since uh 7 months after just going on my regular never taking medication or anything in 2022 I had no diabetes but the powers that be they always want to see these numbers and so unless you can actually produce an A1C that they feel happy with they're thinking you still have diabetes so I still go and I do all the checks and the doctors here have been very very surprised they have been totally flabbergasted that diabetes could be reversed they have the highest of respect for what I've done and one told me in all his 30 years of practice he has never seen this happen so it's a true Testament to to just the fact that diabetes could be reversed metabolic dysfunction could become functional again absolutely hey guys want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys and even even just cutting out a lot of the garbage and and you know just making very conscious food choices uh even that massively improved your your hb1c which is fantastic you know the the CGM sure yeah the CGM monitors um you know I wonder what I'd be curious what your experience is with that because a lot of times when we see patients with CGM and they they try eating certain things and their blood goes way up like oh okay I don't like that and that helps control what they're eating yes Point them in the right direction did you did you find that as well I did and I felt that that was the reason I had the success I had because I'd be eating a strawberry my doctor was very good he said just you can take this reading a 100 times a day just practice with it and so I came home and I started to eat a strawberry and I would see 22 and then I decid that I have to stop this and so I started to wean myself I kept a spreadsheet and actually I have another book here that is called My Sweet Life diabetes Journal because now you probably know I've been a teacher so creating curriculum tracking things doing spreadsheets measuring they come very naturally to me I've also taken lean training and we're constantly measuring and trying to do better so I had no resources Dr JY I just bought some cheap little books from the dollar store and I just started to write down the foods I was eating the number of grams and the blood sugar reading sometimes I'd have 28 readings a day and from that I began to extract the pattern I even put them into my Excel spreadsheet and then at the end of uh when I came back from Costa Rica I thought you know I should just put it into a book Because I had made all of this progress I didn't know that there were even books or if this could help people but it was the jutting down it was the tracking it was the measuring it was paying attention to what those numbers were saying on my arm as I flushed that CGM now what I didn't realize is that you can also have a lot of Havoc being done with a CGM so for example uh two weeks ago I decided to just put on one and um it kept telling me my 6.9 and I'm thinking how could this be at 6.9 and I haven't even eaten anything and I went and did a blood poke and my blood poke was 3.9 so sometimes you have to be careful that the cgms do in fact work yeah so I buy mines from abot they're very good with their customer service and um I reached out to them and they explained that sometimes things can go wrong now it was very very hot here in Canada this year for um summer and they said sometimes humidity temperates a a number of things can set some of these readings off so uh learn to sometimes if I see a reading to then take another Blood poke and see what the disparity is if any but in those first years after coming to Costa Rica I had never poked my finger because I am a big scary cat I only started to poke my finger a few months now because I was weaning myself off now that I have excellent blood sugars but really I would say to anyone if you want to get your diabetes type two that is I'm talking about under control that CGM is the game changer when you see that when you see those numbers something changes in your psyche and you get a sense of self-control that you probably didn't have before yeah definitely well that's good I'm glad that that helped it's it is funny that um you know you added back in some fruits and vegetables to put on weight you know most people saying you have to eat fruits and vegetables to like lose weight and stop eating you know um replace fat and all these sorts of things it's that's funny to hear that you added those things in to gain a bit of weight um typically when I see people losing more weight than they want it may be because they they're undereating um and sometimes fruits and vegetables you're just getting more in and and things like that but um if you if you just increase the amount of meat that you're eating that typically will offset that and you can you won't won't lose too much weight it's really easy to undereat on a carnivore diet I find because you you just feel so satiated and satisfied that's it yes yes I was eating a little bit and being really satisfied and I wasn't hungry but I was still losing the weight so I decided I was going to eat some apples and I was going to drink some more milk I made Carnival ice cream with the 35% um fat cream and that help me put on some weight yeah that'll do it yeah and yeah because milk and milk products will have caseine um sorry ches Morphin which will increase your hunger and so you know they'll they'll get you eating a bit more um but you can you can go by taste so if you keep eating fatty meat until it stops tasting good uh that's typically how much your body wants and if you're trying to put on weight then you need to do that at least two times a day and so you just keep beating until you sort of get that bite that sort of tastes like cardboard and then you're just like okay but you can stop but we're so used to like stopping once we feel we can stop so we feel we should stop um but that's not what you want to do anymore you want to keep going you want to keep going until you get to a point where like no I don't want to eat anymore so you just get your fill every single time and you do that twice a day and you'll typically be able to uh maintain a very healthy weight and certainly not lose weight and even put on healthy weight if um if that's what you need to do too yes it's interesting you mentioned about um the fruits actually help put on weight because it did for me you know some apples some cauliflower and um I think that what our food guides and this may be true in any country these things are so grafted or in the green houses they have been injected with so much sugar and fructose content and add additives that these things are no longer helping us because they're not what our ancestors ate Tim and I we live on a farm here we go out into the wild and the strawberries are really really tiny they are so tiny and the ones we buy in the supermarket like they're huge yeah and there's a difference when you eat it and so people are thinking oh yes if I go and I eat these fruits and vegetables here I will lose weight well well no um it it in my case it put on weight as you so astutely um derived just now and it's also adding to the blood sugar level it is not helping us and so there needs to be that kind of education that for people with type two diabetes they should not just be given this something like this and just cart blunt do this yourself because this is not helping with type 2 diabetes it's not helping with metabolic dysfunction and I made a study of myself and I found it to be true and I think if a number of people would take the time to isolate foods and to introduce foods and track what it's doing to them in in a week's time they could begin to see what's not working and they can change their lifestyle too yeah definitely um so that that's um that's all very good points and I wanted to ask as well you know you you did write a recent book the one that we have there the the what will Timmy eat um and can you tell us a bit about that and why you wrote it yes well actually as I mentioned earlier I have been a writer for a number of years uh this book I brought to Costa Rica little cup of pennies for kids these are my best sellers which I wrote when the Canadian penny was uh moving out of circulation back in 2012 they went on to become a local bestsellers here so I took those uh they were published by Borealis press and then he did for me a that printing company did um alphabet on the farm in English and French so I took a few copy three or four down and Dr kenberry MH he saw them he was pretty impressed and he said to me off the cuff why don't you write a book on what kids should eat for breakfast because we don't have anything like this the carnival education was brand new to me when I pitched for it I had never heard of it before and I became a dedicated disciple of its sins and so in this book I look at the uh High cob processed sugary Foods did you get a chance to look at the PDF I had sent you only part of it haven't okay and um the so it's a competition between the High processi Sweet sugary foods and the proteins so Timmy goes down to breakfast and he finds all of these Foods the typical foods that kids eat jams and jellies and um eggs and sausage and bacon as well as toast and muffins and all the typical thing that kids have for breakfast here and as you pick up a bowl and Spoon to get his breakfast the bowl becomes a race track and all the food become alive so there's that element of magic and the foods begin to make a case as to why Timmy should eat them so we have here the breakfast room and the RAC track and the foods become alive and so bread says there's none like me bread was boasting in white or brown sliced up for toasting and the pancake says choose me called the pancake you wouldn't make a mistake and so all of the foods begin to make a case as to why Timmy should eat them steak and bacon sausage and butter listened to the noise and smiled at each other they knew that they could do what the rest could not they didn't raise blood sugar and they made a healthy gut they were full of protein and lots of good fat the tasted yum malicious and what could be to that and so it's a lovely rhyming scheme very attractive to kids and you know the cereal sugary cereal is just such a an enemy that really should not be on anybody's breakfast table especially kids and you know I wanted to write this because if we have healthy children we will have healthy adults the one precedes the other and so um um Frost cereal had the idea let's have a race and whoever wins Timmy will eat them and so the race happens and um it was very interesting the sugary carb foods when they encountered the juice or bread they melted and disintegrated and when the proteins the eggs the bacon the the steak when they got wet from the apple juice they kept their shape they kept their density and I thought that that was so indicative of the strength of the foods versus how carobs are just broken down and they're no good they give no energy and so we have the race happening and uh we wouldn't give away the end as to what has happened here and I'll flip to the back of the book there's your name Dr chaffy oh really there's your name yes I did some acknowledgement uh for all the individuals we met at Costa because they were instrumental in the Journey of reversing type two diabetes for me so the idea is from Dr Ken and then I have all of your names and Dr chy Dr kills Maria Emir Charles madx Etc and at least one online URL or website where people can find um your information oh and I usually write a letter to the children in all of my books I write a letter to Dear boys and girls and just um you know talk to them a little bit and encourage them about the books I'm writing in this one however because parents are the decision makers of what children eat I have written the letter to the parents and I encourage them to have this discussion with their children to be open-minded about what is being suggested here and I look at what our ancestors ate they didn't have labels on their Foods they didn't have crafted green houses and they didn't have additives and Pro processed and refined Foods so we used the same names they had probably eight apples straight up the tree but not honey crisp that we find here now that is loaded with extra sugar they probably ate the wild strawberry not the ones that are big and juicier and redder here because it has undergone so much transformation so it's important for parents uh and anyone who's reading it to understand that though the foods of long ago and the foods of today carry the same name they are spelled the same way they certainly do not produce the same effect on our bodies right now and what we are eating today is destroying us so it's that kind of call to action to go back and to examine what our ancestors ate what were the ingredients in their Foods what were the labels if any that they had and you know you had spoken about the in with people back in Costa Rica and I had checked it out and I came back here and how they lived for so long and for so healthily and what they ate and so we need to be open-minded about what we are giving the children because if we want to help we want a healthy Community a healthy Society a healthy world and healthy adults we need to start with healthy children and I've used myself as an example that if I had been eating healthy foods as a young child and not what we thought we should be eating then I wouldn't be saddled with diabetes in my uh adult life yeah definitely not well I well I I think it's great that you wrote that book and it's it's it is a lovely book and it's a great idea as well having the whole competition and talking about you know what uh what the different foods bring to the table you know no pun intended and um because it is that was cute and um you know it is important obviously you I mean when you when you start these these behaviors in in you know in childhood they they carry on to adulthood you know they they they try to blame obesity on genetics because they say well 80% of if you have if your parents are obese 80% of the time you know the children will be obese well the parents are the ones that make are the decision makers like you say so you know they're the ones you know they're eating a certain way living a certain lifestyle and they're getting obese from that um they're the ones buying the the food for the kids the kids are eating the same thing the parents are just in probably different amounts and they're learning those habits and behaviors from the parot and then they they grow up having you know unhealthy habits as an adult and then they pass those on to those their kids but you know if you start off young and you get those really healthy habits and and like you said not everybody knows you know what's unhealthy or not we're doing what we're supposed to we're eating fruits and vegetables and Grains and this is and that and we're avoiding meat because that's thought to be healthy yeah but you know it may not be now if you're very careful and you have a CGM Monitor and you can perfectly track this okay well then then maybe you can navigate around a more traditional omnivorous diet that's that avoids processed foods but not everybody has access to that and not everybody is able to do that um and it's not something you can just do intuitively like you need a glucose monitor to to track that or you you know you eat a in a traditional way that humans have been eating since humans have been humans and you don't need to you don't need a CGM you don't need a monitor you don't need to track your body does that for you and you know if we teach kids you know how to eat properly without technology then you know they have those those those habits set down for a lifetime so that's great thank you so much for doing that yes it it really was a good experience it was uh primarily the the science was drawn from my life and what I saw and my um I would say to people who are sometimes skeptical because a lot of people are skeptical about what we're eating and stuff it's like you've been eating what you've been told was good and you're still so sick you're still so unhealthy why not try something different give it a try because once you have experienced Health you will not want to go back to those things that what they told you was he I eat absolutely nothing from here I eat absolutely practically nothing from there so out of this um only one eight of this Canada food guide do I eat but I was eating this like a good citizen told what I was eating was good nutrition and I was eating diabetes Dr chaffy I was eating diseases I post said on my Facebook page that I ask myself this question of every food and drink am I eating disease and when you begin to reckon with yourself like that when you begin to be accountable to yourself you know the desert rata has said has this line go placidly among the world blah blah blah but to thine own self be true and when we could learn to be true to our own self based on what we know and how we live then we will shut up the cynics and we will silence the Skeptics yeah definitely and and that's the thing too is is that you've done this yourself you know it doesn't matter what anybody else says it doesn't matter what I say it doesn't matter what any study says you know this is true you've done it for yourself you've seen in hard numbers um and symptoms you know what this has done for you and uh at at the end of the day that's the only thing that matters well that's only anecdotal still happened and so you know for whatever reason it did happen for you and that's important that's important to take note of and it's important to be careful because it doesn't matter if you have all the studies and data in the world it says you should do X and this will give you the best result and that gives you a worse result and that gives you a bad result and you do what they say oh that's just anecdotal we don't have evid no evidence is is is many forms you know the evidence exists outside of a randomized control trial we have no studies in randomized control trials showing that parachutes work are you gonna use a parachute probably you know go skydiving without a par well there's no evidence there's no evidence that that a parachute is better than just jumping out of a plane without a parachute like no there is evidence it's just that you know you don't know what evidence means and so you know saying that there's no evidence it's just anecdotal and well this person fell out of a plane he didn't have a parachute and he died well that's just anecdotal you know I mean that's there's there's no study that shows that it's like yeah you know we we get tied up in in you know in Academia you know that's not science you know science is about observing the world around us and trying to figure out how it works and you see somebody fall from a cliff or or out of a plane and they die at the end of it you know you you can actually understand how that works there's nothing there's no magic to it you don't need a study to figure that out you know and um and you can do this with other ways as well and when you you change your diet and you do it in very specific ways um and you get very specific results and that is reproducible again and again and again and again that is evidence and that is very good evidence and we need yes for sure we create our own evidence we all sit at a different spot on the bell curve and we have our uniqueness there and that's almost a mantra I live by where am I on the bell curve because we are given treatments or we are told to do things that is going to work for whom for somebody else but probably not for us we are so unique in some form of fashion that nothing will work 100% of the time for 100% of the people and so we need to find our Niche and where that is and I I am from the Caribbean I was born in Trinidad and Tobago I was looking at a statistic today just before coming on here 14.8% of the population of Trinidad and Tobago has diabetes my ancestors are from India that is another place that is Type to diabetes written I live here in Canada now for you know a couple decades 30% % of the Canadian population are diabetic or pre-diabetic and type 2 diabetes we have 15% of the population have type 2 diabetes including both diagnosed and undiagnosed so when I have used myself as an example I have represented Asia southeast Asia I have represented the Caribbean I have represented a part of Canada and because you know being a dark person people also in Africa share the same kind of characteristics uh people in China there's a lot of diabetes there too so I think that I'm representative of different people groups I'm I've been a teacher I've held good management positions so on the strata of Education yeah I have postgraduate education too so if we look at that strata uh um inclusive there I am a small person a petite person you know if you think small people can get diabetes look at me and you know so I I think that there are so many levels that if a person wants to find an element to identify themselves they can find it easily they may not look like me but they may they may be of another profession where you're learning things and you have this ability to make decisions you have this ability to self-regulate and I would say go ahead and self-regulate so I'd really like to encourage people to be more proactive in their own health this is their health they are the ones who have to be the most vested in it don't leave it to big companies who are for profit to create that profit at people's expense yeah and and that's the thing too you know we think well the government's there to help us is trying to is trying to do these guidelines to help everybody live properly because people just don't know how to live so the government needs to tell us that um that's that's um that's not something that's not a sentiment that people typically held and and for good reason um the you know there may be good intentions but that's not necessarily the case but um you know that's not the government's job is to you know to run people's life and when when something goes wrong they don't pay the price for being wrong they you know other people pay the price for being wrong for them being wrong and so you it's never a good idea to put the decision Mak making power in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong um and then of course we we think that there's some sort of benevolence and kindness like the these governments are just these giant charity organizations um you know because they pay they spend money on different sorts of programs we think oh that's good the government's helping me well it's not their money it's not like this is a business that's giving back it's not like Carnegie setting up the you Carnegie foundation and Carnegie melon University and the Carnegie Hall and all these other sorts of things to sort of give back to society um you know they're they're taking taxes from people this is this is our money and they're just sort of you know they they take money from us quietly and then give some of it back lavishly and extravagantly and they get they get the the impression that there's some sort of benign benevolent entity but of course it's just people and it's it's politics and they get influenced just just like anybody else can and um you know there's a lot of money in politics and so if you have these big corporations that have an agenda that want to push a product and they're able to fund uh a c a candidate in their election they are very likely to get you know the the political uh backing for different guidelines Etc that promote their product and that's something that that we we have very realistic about you it's not a conspiracy theory that's just life you know like of course there's money in politics and um you know that's one of the things it was it was always thought that that uh political lobbying uh lobbying the government and and donating to politicians is the best uh investment on on Earth because you can get up to a thousand fold return on investment you know you you donate a million dollars to a campaign and then you get these sweetheart deals and tax breaks not necessar even tax breaks but you know Federal funding to push into something you know and so yes you Lobby the government you get a ton of um taxpayer money as a result of that that's what people do you know and part of that has to do with guidelines you know because if you're if you're influencing the guidelines you're influencing universities and professors and their research on what you know toughs University that was something that came out um a couple years ago that they sort of made these dietary recommendations and you know this this this grading system where like Honey Nut Cheerios and Frosted Flakes were well above uh ground meat and eggs right yes I I saw that with the um sad the American diet yeah and that that's one of the reasons um now ours didn't look so bad in terms of I didn't really see like a box of cereal here but this is what I was eating you know I've been in Canada 27 years now my specialist said that um now we have some different guidelines here I think it's a bit lower so than the US for example so if you're under 5.9 you uh have you have no diabetes and I think in the US you have to be under 5.7 um with your A1c to be declared not having diabetes and the specialist said you live in Canada eat the foods in Canada you have the different climate in Canada so you've got to have that um you've got to go by your Canadian measure because I was asking well why why does this us have a higher standard but um I I was saying that to say that I was following what looked really good and I was eating diabetes I was eating that because Dr kenberry said for me to have had an aen left LEL of 13.2% I would have had that in my body for 10 years but I have always been a very high functioning person I have always been a person who I can push myself and I can meet goals and so even if I didn't feel well I could still stay up all night and study and make change and do something different so because I was a high Achi the sickness did not really uh it it didn't show it myself to make me like really debilitated until A1C of 13.2 and then I started to really really go down deteriorating very fast in in 2021 we have a day bed there and I would lie on that day bed in pain and I couldn't get up it was 117 pounds and you know fairly young and active and these sicknesses were so unexplained that they were so foreign to me they were not even very much in genetic things now my mother was diagnosed with diabetes in her late 70s she's now 85 so why was I being diagnosed with diabetes in my 50s you know so it was it was very alarming and I think people need to start asking questions of what they hear and Frederick Taylor he is this father he's been termed the father of scientific management and when he was creating his theories his premise was that we needed a mental revolution in order to change the economy it wasn't going to be changed by anything it had to first start here before it could wield out in dollars and cents and productivity and and all of those um labor things so I believe that that's the same thing that we need to do here we need to challenge what the experts have told us all the time in terms of what is good to eat and what is not good to eat and including those are cereals and including what they say about the ground meat and the eggs and all that kind of thing mhm and if each person would be brave to do that and say you know what I am going to do what's working for my body based on how I feel based on how I see my health changes we we that those individual actions will produce a collective body of changes and I think that that is what is happening because I had never heard of carnivore diet or the word carore or anything like that I know I call it now a meat based diet because some people don't like the words or whatever oh I say very high protein very low carb zero carbs and uh said my testimonies myself look at me you know I saw a friend who hadn't seen me in more than a year and her first thing was you look amazing and you know nice clothes and makeup and high heeled shoes to go to work always makes a person look good but now I have true Health on the inside in addition to still having the high heel shoes and the nice clothes and all of that so it's really a personal change that will make this movement of Health come into being yeah um well that's great that um you know other people are noticing your changes as well how how well how's your husband Tim doing and and what about people around you are they are they starting to come around to this too or they still think you're you're weird oh no we have had a lot of people very very interested and Tim actually he's probably on the couch Tim are you there sure am oh do you want to come and say hi to Dr chaffy he's asking about you do you can he join in yeah please oh lovely comeer yes gooder great to see you Dr Chie good to see you too how have you been well been doing real well I've um been quite enjoying my I I tell people I was really at the fountain of youth when I was in Costa Rica because the way I Chang my eating habits the the energy the flexibility I don't know what I'd do without it now yeah nice yeah so and you are his hero oh he shows your picture to everybody we have a picture of you and him we took in Costa Rica he has your picture on the magazine women's world when you made that front page cover remember yes so you were Tim's hero go ahead and and we had matching shirts I think that's what really made the difference was the matching shirts yeah that's right yeah yeah well that's good well and and so you've been you guys have been doing pretty well on on the diet since then I hear oh oh for sure it's it's an amazing thing and one of the positive things I found as we tell people who like every week when I meet people I haven't bumped into for why I tell them what I've been up to there is gaining traction that you just don't hear about that people have said somebody in my family or maybe even they themselves have been researching how to eat a different and it's made a big difference it's not a strange word to tell them about the carnivore diet I'm actually surprised how many people have heard about it a lot of them follow you and then follow Dr Barry they knew your names even when we came back and made the mention those names nice oh yes we follow them on YouTube and all of that so a lot of people have been very very interested and we've spoken to I don't know hundreds of people oneon-one too about it yeah oh that's really good so that I mean you it's it's always it's always interesting to hear people's um interactions with other people obviously some people hear well a lot of people will hear this and be like absolutely Gob smacked and like wait hold on you do what and they just think you're you're a bit crazy um but then that's great to hear that more and more people are like oh yeah no I've heard about that that's really interesting because you know when I when I was first doing well when I was doing this more publicly and you know people around work were finding out about it I mean they were just blown away and um you know so I was in like long conversations multiple times a day with saying the same things over and over again you know about cholesterol and fiber and nutrients and this is and that and it's just like they're like hold on wait a minute what and um it was always funny it's it's great now that there's enough Headway that people have at least heard about it and uh at least you when you mention it they they know know what you're talking about instead of just being something theyve just you know like a bolt from the blue like hold on wait I I've never heard of this before so that's really great that it's um that it's uh grown enough that that people at least know about it hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia Stockman staks who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed tood door something that I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver kidneys and beef heart as well so use code chaffy today for free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at Stockman steaks.com and I'll see you over there thanks guys yeah one of the things I do is that I share my results of my A1C tests I tell them when I'm going to do my test and I tell them what the result is and what I eat and I say message me if you need help and lots of people have messaged me and I support a number of them when you fall off just start again you know uh instead of eating two slices of bread eat one and then eat an extra egg or two so you know as I think they need very practical steps on how to move away from what they're doing and into more protein so it's it's been a great journey yeah one of the one of the fun things I got to do with it is I actually a one on a charity auction a spot on one of our local morning radio programs and the show and yourself and all the experts that was the topic for their Morning Show and people are super interested in this and the changes some people have already made so you're making a big difference Dr JY um I don't know how many people in our area know you but it's a lot yeah oh good oh that's kind of fun yeah it is yeah that's good that you you got on a radio show to talk about that as well was that was that why they brought you on was that why you won that that competition or or how that so what it was is it's they a popular radio station here and every year they have a a charity auction and conj they offer a a spot on their Morning Show as to support the charity so you can bid on it and you can go on the show and you can kind of talk about whatever you want so I I went loaded with all my carnivore information and they were they were quite interested because lots of their viewers of course or or listeners I should say I mean it's so prevalent the disease that people are talking about this all the time and to hear something new but in a way it's not so new as perhaps it could have used to been I'm I'm very pleasantly surprised when I talk to to people just today I bumped into someone I hadn't saw for a long time and true to Susan's word somehow I had you're my picture on the phone it's a great great way to start a conversation on this there I've got them like that when I show them the picture yeah and one of the reasons is is because if some people haven't heard about before and to see your picture and to say you mean he eats meat like he he's not eating broccoli or anything no God no he's not no and so then the conversation just flows from there and the person I bumped into she said yeah my son he's a chef and he inally does strictly carnivore she says he he's a chef and but he he finds such benefit from it so without me having to explain all this I just quickly bumped into a person who yeah they they're very familiar with this terminology yeah yeah that's very good and actually last week do you remember Dr Vega from Costa Rica yeah last week Dr Vega and myself were on the same radio station again I was promoting the book what will Timmy eat and Dr Vega called in from Costa Rica and he shared a lot of good information on the carnivore diet and just metabolic dysfunction and how this diet helps not just diabetes but the whole um spectrum of metabolic diseases oh very good that's great how's how's Dr Vega doing i't I haven't spoken to him since well a few few uh emails back and forth but he was a very nice guy and it was uh yes he's he's he's doing very well yes good we've kept in touch since um we left yeah oh very good yeah well that's great and so how long has has the book been out or is it is it currently available how do people find it yes it was launched on September 3rd of this year last month it's available on all Amazon the favorite Amazon worldwide it's available in bands and Noble in the states it's available in Chapters Indigo in in Canada um on any place where books are sold I think the most important thing would be that people know the ISBN number because of the um the ability or not enough space in stores you cannot store every book so if the the book is not there they can simply ask that the book be brought in and the ISBN number for the paperback is 978 1738 9727 08 and people have told me that they found buying it from Amazon offered the fastest shipping and one lady actually bought it for her teenag and she she put a a review on Amazon.com and amazon.ca that she bought it for her teenagers and they really enjoyed it so you know it's it's a book that is made for children but it can change the life of adults as well as they begin to implement what is in there so it really crosses the uh age Spectrum yeah very good well that was great um well thank you both so much it's so great to see you both again it was lovely to me great to see you yeah yeah and so great I I really enjoyed it that was one of the things I I really was impressed by both of you is any time we had like a group conversation or we were all talking together the the two of you were there with notepad and paper and you were just taking notes the whole time which I thought was um was very impressive you know you very you know taking it very very seriously and had a lot of great questions as well so um it's great to see you both again and to see that you both are doing so well and and helping out and getting this um very important message especially to kids but thank you very much for doing that um how do people uh find you on social media Etc we know where to get your book but where else can we find your work um my website www.san harris.com there and from there my social media pages are available so as long as they can go to Susan harris. CA they can find me there on the contact page they can send me a message I answer all of my emails and they can ask me questions on the contact page there as well plus you know messenger and those things to but sometimes I'm not as often on social media as uh used to be because I changed my lifestyle after I was diagnosed with diabetes MH and in addition to changing my eating patterns and I do like 30 to 60 Minutes every day on a treadmill or outside so physically I'm active uh diet wise I'm good but I found I had to pay attention to my thoughts because you know that Mind Body Soul connect connection is so real and for me if I'm excited or if I am anxious or if I am distracted on social media my blood sugar level would go up and I noticed that with my CGM so sometimes I would stay away from social media for two weeks or something and then pop back up for air because it's a very intentional part of keeping healthy so uh the fastest way for people to get to me is you know my through my website because I answer all my emails perfect okay well I'll put that up in the description down below so people can go down there and check it out and uh see more of your work and get in contact with you if they uh if they so choose um Susan and Tim thank you both so much for coming on again is an absolute pleasure great to see you again and we'll see you next thank you very much for having us do say hi to L for us we constantly look at the pictures of all of you that we've had from there yeah oh thank you definitely will great yeah thank you thank you both so much and thank you everyone for watching I hope you got a lot out of that and please do send this on to people that you think would be benefited by this and if you have any kids that might uh benefit from learning how to eat properly please do go out and check out what will Timmy eat thank you all very much we'll see you next time hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast and if you're on YouTube then please hit that little bell and subscribe and that'll let you know anytime I have a new video out which should be every week if not more and if you could share this with your friends that would help me get the word out and let me know that you like what I'm doing thanks again guys