Meat, Money & Rabbit‑Holes: Ben Wehrman Exposes His World

[Music] Hey everyone, thank you for joining another episode of the PlantFree MD podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Anthony Chaffy, and today I have a very special guest, my friend, uh, Mr. Ben Wearman, who is joining me down from, I believe, Mexico. Um, at least that's where he was last time. Uh, Ben, how you doing? I am back in the beautiful state of Washington just to hop skipping away from our old alma mater. Oh, nice. Going back to Mexico tomorrow, though, actually. Oh, very good. Yeah, nice. And uh you're in Seattle now or where you at? Yeah, Woodby Island is where the home base is. Mhm. Yeah. Nice. Meth, capital of the Northwest. South Woodby. That's the Southby. I'm in the middle. We're good here. Yeah. Oh, that's funny. Uh, very good. It's Ben. How you doing, man? It's good to see you. I'm doing awesome, Dr. Chaffy. I really appreciate you bringing me on so we can have a round two together. I had a blast last time was just listening to it a couple nights ago, going for a walk through town and just thinking, man, it's so awesome that we get to do this. Just record these conversations, put them out on the internet. Anyone can listen to them, download them, and just have it out there for free. I love what we do, man. It's awesome. It's It's too much fun and just having a blast with it. Yeah. Awesome. Me, too, man. So, um, for people who haven't come across you before, can you tell us tell us a bit about you and what you do? Absolutely. So, I can give just a bit of backstory, I suppose, would be in order. Uh, quickly to speed through my very young life, pretty standard American diet. I'd call it standard American diet plus. We did our best. My family loved me very much. They always did what they thought was be best for me. We had very little super obvious processed crap. We had lots of fruits and vegetables and grains and cereal for breakfast cuz eggs are bad. And we had chicken for the meat because red meat is bad. I probably had red meat like once a month, but every time it was around, I was scarfing it down. The primal Ben inside of me knew that I needed this meat. So, I was always hunting the meat down. It's always been in there. So, um that took me till about 2022. I would say this is when things started getting a little more interesting. And I have a unique entryway into the carnivore world that I'm excited to share because I don't believe I've heard anyone on your podcast have a similar story. In one word, it would be Bitcoin or Bitcoiners more specifically. I got very involved in the Bitcoin scene from 2020 and then in 2022 I was in Austin, Texas where there's a huge Bitcoin mecca. There are lots of meetups and I'm not sure if you know the the Bitcoiner stereotype, but Bitcoin people love meat. There's a lot of carnivore Bitcoiners. Uh, and for that reason, we're, you know, there there's a a small bridge there, but I'm trying to build it bigger. And I'll I'll go more into that later what I'm doing to do that. But anyway, I went to a bunch of these Bitcoin meetups. There's just mountains of meat at all these meetups. And I'm just thinking at that point still like, man, is that that can't really be good for you. Like I'm seeing all these Bitcoiners just eating just scarfing down whole plates full of meat, no carbs anywhere to be found. And I I still think it's kind of weird at that point. Um but the more time I spend around these people, the more I realize that they're just right about everything. Like these are really hardcore researchers. They're first principles thinkers. They really know their stuff. So softened me up on the meat thing. I was always scrolling on social media like every other NPC does on in the morning. I'm going through the social media reels, the Instagram reels, and I start seeing about seed oils being bad. So, I think, okay, this this is making sense. Maybe engine lubricant isn't great to be in my body. So, I cut that out. And the place I lived in Austin, Texas, had a pool with beach chairs around it. So, I could test this theory that I kept hearing that cutting seed oils makes it so you don't sunburn anymore. Because growing up in the Pacific Northwest, I would burn in like 20 minutes in the very mild sunlight here. My whole life growing up, I always was taking on the sunscreen because I thought it was the best thing to do. And so I tried out uh just cutting seed oils out and just seeing what happened. And lo and behold, after a few months of no seed oils, I wasn't even carnivore yet, but just no seed oils, I could lay out in that beach chair for hours and just get tan. So I thought that was pretty cool. like the things you put in your mouth are actually affecting how you look and feel. That's awesome. So, just continue digging down that rabbit hole. I went into the whole animalbased thing in 2023, dude. The the meat, fruit, and honey, settled there for a little while. And like a lot of people, I thought that was, oh, this has to be it. This has to be the best because, you know, honey is has these magical properties that are somehow good for you. And I mean, of course, fruit is good for you because it's it comes from nature, right? Totally not just super hybridized over thousands of years or anything. So, doing that and then I find Mr. Anthony Chavy's podcast, the Plant Free MD. That's around halfway through 2023. And your podcast is what totally took me to the final stage. I would call the bottom of the rabbit hole carnivore diet. I finally cut those fruit out. Said, "Let's try this. See what happens." and uh went all in from there. And this actually coincided perfectly with a trip I was doing to Colombia. And I thought this works great going to a place where the meat's a lot cheaper. And I was also going with a friend who is who's also just like me. His name is Peruvian Bull on Twitter. Anyone in the finance world will know him. He's got over 100,000 followers over there. And he was coming into this with uh quite bad insomnia for most of his life. He almost called the trip off because he was getting like two to three hours of sleep for months on end, having a really bad time with that and just having mental issues because of it. Go to the hospital. And so I had seen enough at this point to think, bro, this might actually help out with that. This diet may help your brain. It could just be a fat deficiency. So why don't you try this with me? Let's do it together. So we both flew on over to Colombia, moved into our hostel, and just went on a shopping spree. just packed a mountain full of meat and butter and salt and just start going for it. And as you can imagine, the the hostile life as a carnivore is quite interesting. The the people in that environment are pretty much exactly what you you'd expect. The sort of lost souls trying to find themselves, doing the best they can, and kind of sounds like vegans because there's a lot of them. There's a lot of overlap there. So we would just be cooking these huge mountains of meat every day for dinner and you know these girls and guys from all these different European countries are making their little salads and they're kind of wondering what the heck is these people doing. This is super weird. However, I will say I've been traveling quite a while. I've been on and off digital nomad since 2018 and I have noticed people's ears are per perking up a little bit quicker now than they used to. I I wasn't carnivore back then, but I was definitely eating some meat back then. And I just think that in general, these people are getting more open to the idea of learning about this. Mainly because most of the people in my generation, the millennials, are getting to the age now where they've been doing they've been locked into their ideology for a while and they're starting to feel the effects one way or another. And so you meet a lot of people who are having some health issues. Once you have those uh you know the stereotypical at the hostel with a bunch of you know cool people you're meeting and hanging out chatting and of course they ask about the diet or or maybe I forcibly talk about it because I can't stop talking about meat and uh we figure out that they actually have some issues that I know just to think for I have a podcast for you. And so this whole time I'm sort of putting these pieces together of meeting people and thinking oh I can help this person with this podcast episode if you did a podcast on this. I heard one from Sean Baker on this and I'm starting to realize I should make a huge compilation website where I can just have a directory of all these different common issues people have and just make a list of all the the good podcast episodes or websites or resources that can help those people get through, you know, get through the barrier of ideology and figure out that this could be just the key to fixing their issue. And this isn't the first time I've had a website like this pop into my head. I actually made one about Bitcoin called why bitcoinonly.com which is just a similar format of just a massive collection of Bitcoin resources. That was my first really big rabbit hole that I went down just learning about Austrian economics. I I know that you're liking those Thomas Soel posts on Instagram. I see your little icon there. So he's a he's the best. And uh that whole rabbit hole of just learning how human action works, Keynesian economics, Austrian economics, sound money, the importance of money in the economy, how it trickles down into absolutely everything. And that's something I'd love to talk about here today as well. How Bitcoin is the solution to the money problem, which is super relevant to carnivores. We'll get to that later. But yeah, I mean, basically, where am I at this point? 2023 Columbia trip. Ate tons of meat. Felt amazing. Shattered misconceptions everywhere. Just thinking this is crazy. Go back home for the holidays. Of course, unload on my poor family just telling them that I'm only eating meat now. I'm just like filling the kitchen with steak every day and they're so confused because they're still eating their salads and everything. So, I'm trying to, you know, friendly push this on to people, but it's really hard when you just found something amazing and you want to help everybody. I'm definitely like that. I just want to save everyone all the time. It's kind of crazy when you're in that mode. You have to learn how to reel back a little bit. But anyway, continued just grinding podcasts. And the more that I just hitting kept hitting a brick wall with my friends and loved ones who weren't keen on this, I learned that it was just frustrating to keep going down that road and not make any progress. I really needed to just focus on building this website. And so I got the domain, got ycarnnore.com, and I just started absolutely grinding through podcast and content. And your your podcast was the first one I went through all the way through. I went through Sean Baker's entire podcast which is huge. Not sure if people know that. It was like in the thousands of episodes. That one took a while. Um I was I I listened to every single one and Ken Barry's YouTube channel went through the whole thing. Dr. Kil, Dr. Weedman, there's so many great carnivores out there. And just going through that rabbit hole was a really fun time just learning about all these different people's stories and just oifying this confidence in myself like this is this is really something here. this is something big. We need to get this out there. So, um, started bringing these people on to my podcast kind of at the same time. I started a podcast last year, around the same time I started Carnivore, funny enough. It was almost exactly a year ago. It was August 23. And at that point, the plan was for it to be a strictly Bitcoin podcast. It was going to be all about Bitcoin. And the first several episodes are Bitcoin only. And if you just look at the episode list, it starts getting a little meaty in the I think in the teens or the 20s. I just like I I need to talk more about this. I need to get more people on. That's when I got you on was when I was only a few months in. Um so just just continued grinding. Went back to Colombia for a second round. We really enjoyed it. So we went back and it's kind of funny the stereotype for Colombia is like the white dudes just all fly over there to get their wife. But I was the exact opposite. I was I was completely buckled in that co-working room. I I had the headphones on. I was grinding through carnivore content all day every day. literally getting up at like 8 am and going till like one or two am at night most of the time 16 hour day is just busting my butt getting through that because I was just super motivated. I had no job. I had no money basically. I was running into debt. But people need this. This needs to happen. There needs to be a resource like this because there isn't one anywhere. Um so just continued doing that for the next several months until 2024 this year. July wrapped it up. Website done. It came out to about 330 pages on Google Drive. Wow. Uh I hope people like it because if I even try to go in and edit it, WordPress just crashes because it's so big. So, I can't even really change it unless I have like 30 minutes to wait for my computer to finish loading. So, I'm happy with it. I think that it's a solid resource out there and I really appreciate your support getting the message out. You boosted it. Dave Mack talked about it. I went on his show to talk about it and I'm really just hoping that this can help people just connect connect the dots for people because it's I organized it in such a way to where you scroll down through the table of contents. You can see everything sorted out as best as I could just all these different categories of things. There's a whole section for common misconceptions like oh what do you need your vitamin C? Oh, there's no fiber. Oh, this that this. And also at the very end there's a a meat heels section I called it where it's just a massive list. I think two or 300 different illnesses or conditions that people suffer from. I filled all of those with specific testimonials and stories of people who fixed that thing with carnivore. And I was very picky about all the things. The website's about onetenth of the total content I went through. And I'm I'm pretty hardcore about like staying very pure on carnivore. If if people started talking about keto or animalbased, I I usually toss it because there's just enough out there on carnivore now that I I want to stick true to the message, the north star needs to be carnivore. And uh super happy with the final results and super thankful for people like you doing the work you do, putting that content out there. So idiots like me who can't really talk very deeply about the bodily systems and the sciency side. I can't remember dates or details in general to save my life, but I can consume a disgusting amount of content and just shove into my brain all day every day. And I just never get tired of learning about it. And it's uh it's a pleasure to find a place where I can help make a difference as a a lowly pleb over here just going through YouTube videos and podcasts. Yeah. Well, that's awesome, man. It's that's a huge amount of work. You over 300 pages is is massive. Um, what's the name of the website again? Is it is it yc carnivore? Is that right? Yep. YC carnivore.com. And I also made a Twitter account for it. I made a Nostra account for it. I was just telling you about Nostra earlier. I'm trying to, you know, build a little subbrand on the socials so I can try to get just post memes on there to get more eyeballs and more uh understanding of carnivore so it can sort of drive people into the website that way too. If anyone wants to follow that, it's just why carnivore. Cool. So, why corn of words just all spelled out. Um, yeah. Do you want Do you have it um up? You want to possibly even share your screen? Just give Yeah, let's try it. Well, I can pull it up right now. Easy peasy. Now, can you see that? Yep. Yeah, I can see that. Sweet. So, yeah, just that table of contents I was talking about there. You got that right here. We go start at the very beginning from the ancestral background. And you can click on these as a hyperlink, too. So, if you want to go straight there, you just click it. brings you down here and then there's also I'm not sure if you can see it with this in the way but there's a hyperlink for every one of these sections. So if you want to send one of these sections to someone you know you can just copy that. So okay let's scroll down into table contents here to the meat heels section I was talking about where there's just a ton of different conditions people could have. So, let's say um Lyme disease. You know someone with Lyme disease, you click this. It will shoot you straight down here. Then up here in the the URL, you just see why carnivore.com slashlime. You send that over to them. It will bring them straight down to that section with a bunch of videos about people that have helped their Lyme disease with carnivore. So, pretty simple. And this little arrow at the bottom left just takes you right right back to the top. That's all there is to it. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. No, that's great. So, it's just just tons of different um you know, content and videos and and things like that of um of all the different sorts of, you know, subjects and issues that people may have had. That's uh that's pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate it. And and that's it's meant to be a really simple site. It's all text. It's just links. And there's I thought about throwing some memes in there, but it's already just enormous. So, just keeping it simple. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's massive. Yeah. just sort of clicking around on some of these things. And yeah, there's just tons and tons and tons of uh of different videos and contents and things like that as well, which is great. And and I would certainly urge even the veteran carnivores to give it a look because there is uh something for everyone on there. I really made sure that it it goes real deep into each of the subjects. So, if there's any uh arguments that maybe you've gotten tripped up on in the past when you got in into a discussion about carnivore and people were challenging you on and you wanted to explain it well can sharpen your your game on that because it I I put each different misconception in there. I Let me scroll down here. Misconceptions. Miscon. Okay. Yeah. And there's just a huge list of them that you can just go through. Vitamin C deficiency will give me cancer. Thyroid deficiency. diabetes, inflammation, all these stupid things we hear the carnivore gives you. You just click those and it'll take you straight down to why that's BS. Yeah. A lot of a lot of Chaffy, a lot of Kenberry, and a lot of Bquet. I really like Barquet because he does not hold back and he he goes Especially the vitamin C one. I'm pretty sure that's all Bquet. He just he just goes in on that, you know. I love the guy. Yeah. Very good. And so some of these ones um so down in the meat heels section I'm seeing here there's just a whole bunch of different uh issues like Exactly. and Lyme disease this and the other autoimmunity. Um yeah very good. So you have any sort of particular issue that people may have you know they they may go down there and obviously I'm sure as things come up um you know they'll be able to have add more and more to these sorts of things. Yeah. Exactly. Very cool. Hey everyone, really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia. It's Stockman Steaks, who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished, pasture-raised beef and other meats, flash frozen, and vacuum sealed to your door. Something that I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well. They also have a great range of specialty items such as highfat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver, kidneys, and beef heart as well. So, use code chaffy today for a free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at stockmanstakessaks.com.au and I'll see you over there. Thanks, guys. I also learned a lot about the human body and how it works because it was a huge pain in the butt for me to learn how to organize all those sections. So, that was educational. Yeah. No, yeah. Yeah. Really happy to have it out there and it was a labor of love and I have got nothing but good feedback so far. So, I really encourage people to just take a look, check it out, see what they like. And uh yeah, there's a secret section in there even about Bitcoin. You want to learn about how Bitcoin and carnivore make a connection. It kind of it talks about that a bit. I snuck that in there. Maybe that's something we could talk about here too at some point. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at this too. I'm just trying to think. Um just trying to see all these. Okay. You can go down to there. It shits it out a bit. Well, I'm just looking at this. is a massive massive massive work, man. I'm like, this is this scrolls down forever. And uh so uh yeah, there's a lot a lot of information here. And uh great. Well, you know, people are um yeah, people are interested, you know, check that out. It's ycarnnore.com. Um and I'll put a link in the description as well, and people can can check that out. I mean, it's sort of fun just to just to go through and just see, you know, just the monumental amount of information there is here, which is uh is pretty pretty cool. So, yeah. Well, thanks for putting that together, man. I very helpful for a lot of people. And I mean, people like you really inspired me, man. You you you've been putting your work out there. You've been so just motivational on that end. really working hard and getting stuff out to your ability and knowing how your brain works and how your skill set can come into this thing and really help progress people toward better health. And I that's something I really talk about with people is it's easy to listen to someone like Dr. Chaffy or Ken Barry who really understand the human body super well in these systems. And so it can be easy to think, oh, I'm just going to, you know, leave it to those guys to do the content and, you know, kind of sit back on the sidelines. I think that everyone out there can play a part in this. This is such an important cause that we're behind right now. We've found a huge key to so many people getting better and it's going to take everyone. Even if that just means starting your own YouTube channel or an Instagram page where you just post pictures of steak, you know, that that makes a difference. We're we're pushing the the messaging out there. Even just celebrating the fact that you're eating meat is, crazy enough, a rebellious move these days. So, don't discount it. Keep doing it. Everyone can find a place where they can play a part. And just understanding your own skill set, what you love to do, and what you're good at, and just jumping right in. And and talk to people like Dr. Chaffy. Tag him on Instagram. He's he's really good about that and sharing people. And I know all the other carnivores are super helpful as well. So, just get in the game, baby. That's all I got to say. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. And yeah, the more voices out there, the more people talking about it, you know, the more uh the more noise there is, the more people are aware of it, you know, you're going to be uh very influential to people that you don't even realize. Um I thought that I sort of was a bit late getting into the game and people were saying the things that I, you know, I I thought needed to be said and so I was just like, is it really, you know, is it really worth my coming in? But, you know, there was a couple things I thought, well, maybe I can sort of bring this, you know, um, in my own way. It might be a good good addition, but I wasn't I wasn't really sure. And then it um, you know, people started saying that they come across things, but the way I said it was really helpful and that it made sense to them. And, you know, somebody else is going to is going to listen to what I saying like, "Oh, I don't know. That doesn't make sense." but they're going to hear somebody else say very something very similar, but they're going to say it in a way from a from a direction and a context that makes sense to those people. And so, I've always been really um hopeful that more and more people will come out, make channels. I encourage everybody to get their story out there and and start making content because you're going to influence people and um and and say things in a way that is going to make sense to certain people and it's not going to make sense uh when other people say it. So, uh you know, do get out there, you know, and and say something. You know, you just have a whole bunch of people out there talking about it about how great it is and about how much of a difference it made in your life. you know, people are going to have to stop um you know, stop trying to pretend it's not a thing, you know, because it is, you know, and it works and uh it works really well and it's really helping a lot of people. So, you know, get your word out there, get your message out there and let people know just how much it's helped you. Yeah. And there are a couple things you said there that are so critical that I want to highlight. The first one is just how different voices resonate with different people. That's one of the things I really learned as I was going through this content. uh just that there there's such a spectrum of different styles and deliveries and we need to take this into account when we're introducing this to people because this is a very new concept for everyone out there pretty much everyone and so you need to figure out if you're trying to help this person heal and become their healthiest self and you want to get them into carnivore the best way you can. It's it's going to take a little bit of mix and match skills. You got to kind of know their personality, know what they're looking for. And for me personally, I I like it hard and straight. just give me the facts. That's why I loved your podcast and why I like Bart K. Ken Barry's good. Um, I actually don't love it when people are soft and sort of wishy-washy like, oh, like meat's good, you know, do what works best for you. I'm I'm kind of done with that to be honest. I just want the hard facts, man. Yeah. And but some people do like it a little bit soft and a little more warm and cuddly. And you know, there's there's plenty of that on the site, too. and just looking through the immense amount of carnivore doctors and there is a a section on the site of just doctor testimonials because I know people like my family are really looking for that authority. You know, there they grew up the older generations grew up really trusting authority figures in these the letters at the end of the name. So, there's a whole section for just doctors saying it. And so, you can go through that, see which ones you think would fit best for the the people you're targeting. And uh yeah, make it happen. Get more carnivores going. Help the world heal everyone. Definitely. Well, cool, man. Um well, hopefully people go check that out and uh take a look. It's it's really cool. Massive massive platform. A lot of resources there. So, it's a good place to send somebody and say, "Hey, there you go. Get going." Um and uh so yeah, so uh apart from that, you know, you got into this from Bitcoin, which is something that I've seen a lot actually. I've heard a lot of people, you know, come to this from Bitcoin or people from this go, you know, start thinking about Bitcoin. It's not something I've looked into much myself apart from, you know, understanding it, you know, core concept and um uh and uh you know, you sort of decentralized getting away from you know, these different sort of governments and uh and their control over the monetary system, which is I think is probably a good thing. you know, was it one of the Ro I don't know which Rothschild, but it was like 100 plus years ago or something like that. He said, "I you know, you know, you give me control of the monetary system and I care not who runs the country, you know, it's just like y because he's he's running the country, you know, and he's he's just making money off everybody. So, uh so don't do that. Don't let uh don't let people like that be in charge of the monetary system." and um so having something something decentralized made sense to me but it's not something I've looked into or invested in you know really myself but um uh but you know it's it's these sort of interesting concepts I think are very interrelated once you get the wool pull pulled off your eyes about something you and you spot the the with how we've been lied to about uh you know food and and this sort of stuff and how cholesterol and heart disease and all these other sorts of things. And this has killed, you know, hundreds of millions of people early as a result, probably billions at this point and caused untold amounts of of disease and harm. And you start seeing that and how readily people are willing to lie about something that can kill and hurt so many people in such horrific ways. Like you you just start looking, okay, well, what else are they lying about? Because they they couldn't have just started with that, you know? That's such a big one. It's gone on for so many decades and it's harmed so many people and they know it's harming these people and they clearly don't care. What else don't they care about? And so I see a lot of people from all these different sorts of avenues that have sort of said like you know spot the in and whatever field and then start looking around and you know find each other. So you know you know tell me a bit about uh about Bitcoin and why you think that's uh the way to go. Oh, I'd love to. I know people out here are ready for this. They've been they've been warmed up for a long time to look for more lies are being fed to them and that's why I'm so excited to bring these worlds together. I would start with just saying anyone out there who's read The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Tyel. I know you and I both had her on our podcasts. Um, this book is basically walking through through how every single step of the way that the government has put this huge nonsensical big farmer ruled system in place and really oified it through their power and the the three-letter agencies that have all been corrupted. They all have infinite power. This is key. Every single one of these governmental arms have infinite power and money because of the Federal Reserve money printer just showering money whenever they want it. They can print money at will. And this is the big key is the money printer is the death star of this evil empire here. Because when you rewind way back before the Federal Reserve was enacted in 1913, when we were on the gold standard for 5,000 plus years and things were a lot different when we had this form of money that could not be printed, it actually gained value over time. How crazy is that? When you got a gold coin as a little kid, you grew up and when you pass it down to your kids later in life, it's worth more. It was deflationary. That's important. And the reason why it did that is because it had a relatively fixed supply. It was really hard to make more of it. It took a lot of work to mine it. And as the supply grew very slowly, human productivity and efficiency increased very rapidly. So when you have that dynamic, the money actually gains value. And compare that to now. Federal Reserve created 1913. In 1971, we completely detached from the gold standard. They Richard Nixon comes on and basically says, "Oh, we're we're just going to use a dollar now. Tough luck." Like, if if you don't use this, then we'll we'll throw you in a cage. And if you Oh, gold's illegal now. Yeah. There there was the 6102 was an act. I forget what year it was around the the 20s or 30s, I think, where they literally made it illegal to be holding gold. They they came to your house and would take it away from you because that gave you uh a way out of their fiat games. that this word fiat is the word you hear in the Bitcoin circle just talking about this money printer system. So essentially Bitcoin is the digital version of gold. It's replicating all the things that were great about gold that worked really well. It's scarce. There's a fixed supply on it. It's really hard to increase the the amount of Bitcoin in supply, but once it gets to 21 million, it's done. That's going to happen around 2140. There's going to be a hard stop there. So, it's very uh little inflation temporarily and then it turns deflationary once we hit that ceiling. And so, but already it the fact that this is coming out now at such a perfect time when you look at it on a long enough time frame in the last, you know, 15 years or however long it's been out exactly. It's just been going up. It, you know, and people get caught up in the headlines of, oh, it's it went up this week, it went down this week, it went up this week, it went down this week. I just don't even care about that anymore. And most of the real Bitcoiners don't care about that anymore. It's just noise. We're thinking about this on a long time frame of this is a new form of money. This is a new global reserve currency. This is going to take, you know, this is like a hundreds of year project, thousands of years. This is this is made to be money for the digital future, which is like gold lasted for 5,000 years. This one could last for 10,000 years, you know. And it's fixing that problem of the government having complete power over the money. And I've had a lot of people on my podcast to talk about this and including some uh farmers and ranchers talking about how Bitcoin has helped these meat producers save their wealth somewhere where it can't be confiscated, can't be taken away from, you know, if the bureaucracy comes down and raids their farm like we've been seeing happening more often, they can't take your Bitcoin. It's fully anonymous. You can have a secret wall and not tell anyone. You can just have your own. And there's examples of this all over the world as well. When people are escaping these awful authoritarian regimes in these third world countries, they're learning about Bitcoin. And for so many years, when these people would try to escape these terrible situations, they would get shaken down at the border. They get robbed of all their money. They get everything stolen from them. But with Bitcoin, if you can remember 12 words in your head, that's all you need to get access to that Bitcoin from anywhere. So, it really opens up these fascinating possibilities of sovereignty, self- sovereignty. And it's a really fascinating rabbit hole to go down. That's why I created the why Bitcoinly.com because that's I I tell every carnivore that's the next rabbit hole to check out if you haven't. Um, it effectively that the long-term vision, just like carnivore's vision, is to heal people with a proper human diet. The Bitcoin vision is to separate money from state. The government should not have the ability to print infinite money for itself and steal from all of you from inflation. You know, carnivores that are trying to buy ribeye can see the inflation going on. It's getting crazy out there. It's getting more and more expensive. And it's not getting more expensive because ribeye is getting more valuable. It's getting more expensive because your dollar is losing its purchasing power. They're deflating it away by printing the money. It's quite simple. When the money supply goes up, it dilutes everyone else's fiat currency. So, you're getting poorer every time you see these politicians on TV say, "Oh, we're printing a trillion for that. We're printing a trillion for that." That's you getting poorer. They just don't say it that way. It's a stealth tax. It's a way that they tax you without any legislation needed. It's it's a great way for them to get infinite money to just print tanks and aircraft carriers for all the wars they want to do. Pay all the lobbyists off. Continue these corrupt three-letter agencies that are keeping us sick and in bed with big food and big pharma. This whole game all comes back to the money. And when you fix that money, you fix the whole problem of all these cascading effects of power and corruption creating this clown world we find ourselves in today, including the diet guidelines that has been made possible by fiat money. Yeah. So, um, yeah, I' I've always, you know, having, you know, read Soul and Milton Freeman Freeman and Friedick Hayek and and these sorts of Walter Williams, these sorts of people. And also, you know, having having a brain in my head and thinking, um, I've I've long thought you just need to get rid of the Fed. Um, and, you know, the the ability to to print money endlessly is insane. And that sort of there's a contract when they when the Fed was created with the government, they say like, "Okay, well, we can just print this money everywhere." And it and it's guaranteed and backed. Basically, it's the federal government making getting a loan from the Fed and um and they just print all this money out. is always permanently backed by the by the the taxpayer and it's just like you're you're writing um you know basically you know getting loans out in someone else's name um and taking the money you know and it's it's just a complete con game um and I mean this was done by was it Woodro I believe it was Woodro Wilson who did this and he was he openly was saying that he had to dismantle the constitution this was old and outdated was 150 years old and we oh we just got to get rid of this old relic and we need to have have brilliant people running things the way we think because obviously it's just certain specific people that should be able to uh have the the knowhow to to run everybody else's lives. Um when you think about it, you look at the original um Greek democracies. Obviously, this isn't a democracy is a republic. That's why we wanted to sort of keep it that way because it'll last longer. They typically lasted around 150 years. That's about how long we lasted before um Woodro Wilson screwed things up with the Fed and then put in the 16th amendment, which was the the federal income tax. And that needs to be repealed tomorrow. I mean that needed to be repealed 100 years ago. That should never have gone through. You know, they they were trying to make that argument. It was just like we have this big World War I sort of experience. You know, we need to raise money really fast. This is national defense and all this. 150 years we had none of this. You know, we did just fine. We fought in a lot of wars and um and had invasions and all this sort of stuff. And yet, you know, we were still there. But they say, "Okay, well, we want to do this. We so we can raise an army really quickly." That was what it was it was purposed for. It was raising an army for national defense and then be able to do that quickly and it would only be like 2 3% of the income tax only during war times only to raise an army only when we actually absolutely had to. But the people at the time were either knew what they were doing like Woodro Wilson that wanted to sort of subvert the constitution or they were just not as intelligent as they needed to be because the original founding fathers when you read the constitution it is so tight in its language. You know the government you are not allowed to do this you can do this and nothing else. It is very clear, you know, that the the the powers of the federal government are few and enumerated, specifically enumerated. And you know, the the rights of individual are, you know, basically unlimited. And so the problem with that is that at at first they were talking about limiting it and say, okay, well, we'll put a cap on it and say, oh, 10%. And that and then we can't go higher than that. We're like, if it's going to be something we only want to go like 2 3% only for wartime, only for national defense, you need to write that in. This will only be used for national defense. This will only be a temporary measure. This will never go past this amount. And that's what, you know, all these other, you know, legal, you know, sort of u, you know, documents were how they were written. And they didn't do that. They just said, yeah, federal government gets to to tax people's income. And people saying like, well, hold on. We should put in a limit. We should say, "Hey, you can't go above like 10%." They're like, "Whoa, what are you talking about 10%? We don't want this going above 3%. If you say 10%, it's going to go up to 10%." Well, if you don't say 10%. You don't say any other percent, you are tacitly saying 100%. Because there's the limit is there is no limit, right? You could even go above that, you know? I mean there's some some uh places where they like if you have a lot of savings it'll tax you more than your income because to tap into your savings as well. It's insane. And so uh don't get any ideas anybody and in the government. And so um immediately the federal income tax rate went up over 90% for the top bracket. Over 90%. the first income tax breaks um in the early 20s. It was only a few years after that there was a federal income tax was with um uh Calvin Culage and he dropped the top uh tax bracket down to like 70 something% 72% something like that. Massive uh growth in the economy because it was just so stifled and just like oh thank god had some air to breathe and uh you got the roaring 20s as a result of that. Um, so that needs to go. You know, the Fed obviously needs to go. Shouldn't be able just to just to have a blank check to do whatever the hell you want. Um, I mean, that was at least contained to a partial extent because you still had the Constitution at that point that was somewhat unbroken. Uh, where the federal government was not allowed to was not allowed to spend money for anything except the general welfare. And that and everyone knew what the hell that meant. That meant national defense, something that would affect everybody. And then FDR came in, threatened to pack the courts, scared uh one of the the Supreme Court judges to flip sides. Instead of uh FDR losing four to five decisions in the Supreme Court with all the the illegal unconstitutional things he was doing, uh now he started winning five to four because he flipped one of them. and um because he scared him even though the Congress which was a Democratic Congress at the time FDR was a Democrat um was uh was uh was not about not about it back then the the three branches of government actually worked as they were supposed to saying like keeping each other in check and Congress said they hey you're overstepping your bounds you're not going to do that we're not going to let you and so he said hey I want some Senate hearings for new justices and they're like we're not going to hear them we're not going to talk to them piss off and and that was his own party doing that. Now parties run things as opposed to um you know the constitution and things like that which is a bit unfortunate but um but the all of them love to print money. Every single one every politician out there running right now they they don't want to talk about the spending that they're going to do. They make these promises that oh we're going to give you all these goodies. We're going to give you these presents and gifts and all these things are going to be so great. They don't tell you that every single thing they hand down, the classic one is the stimulus checks. Those are the ones that everyone sees like, "Oh, they they're so nice to me giving me $2,000. That's so nice." They don't tell you that you they permanently devalued your dollar for that. It's going to make the rest of your life harder and your kids harder. Your and your grandkids lives will be harder because of that decision. They're just kicking the tab down the road to future generations the more they do this. And we see situations like Venezuela, which is way down the line. I when I was traveling in South America, I got to meet Venezuelan people that experienced that and they told me about this and it's it's absolutely horrible conditions down there. The their currency is just trash. It's all over the roads. It's you need a wheelbarrow of this to just get a a towel at the store. It's completely useless that the their currency has gone to zero. And us Americans think that we're we're so good and powerful because I mean in a way we are. We have the global reserve currency. We have a lot more abilities to kick the can, but that doesn't mean that the intrinsic value of these pieces of paper is still zero. It's it's only backed by trust at this point. Nothing else. And when people stop trusting it, that's when we actually will see a change. And things will get really interesting very soon as all these other countries who used to use the dollar for trade like Russia, there's bricks, there's all sorts of interesting things going on. It's a little bit out of scope here, but long and short of it is countries are realizing we don't really want to use the dollar anymore. You guys are just printing it infinitely. We're paying the price for that. El Salvador is an example of one who just a few years ago said, you know what, they were dollarized and they just said, "We're out. We're going to go on a Bitcoin standard." So, El Salvador is completely Bitcoin legal tender. If you go there, you can buy everything with Bitcoin. They skipped all the extra steps and they just went to the next global reserve currency. And things are getting super good down there. If uh I'm actually planning on going there at some point soon, I'd love to visit. But from the people who are actually trustworthy, who've been down there and experienced the whole situation, things have gotten so much better. And it's no coincidence-wise because they have a sounder form of money. And Naive Boulli came in and made a lot of changes. That's a whole different topic, but the crime rate went from one of the worst in the world to one of the best. And Bitcoin played a part in that. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. And um yeah, so you know that that's the thing you know the the there's already countries like you're saying that are already talking about like not you know replacing the the US dollar as a as a reserve world reserve currency. And when that happens, it's big trouble. And you know, some people are arguing that maybe that's probably what people are trying to do on purpose, to destabilize the country and screw up the economy and screw up uh the US to tear it down and to break it down, break the constitution entirely and then, you know, bring about, you know, some sort of communist hellscape that, you know, reminiscent of the of the 20th century. Um, no thank you. But um uh yeah, you know, like that Thomas Soul talks about that how you know, printing money is just a hidden tax because if you if you print 20% money, it doesn't just put more money in the system. It's just your bank account is now worth 20% less. And so it's it's very simple math. It's very simple math. Whatever percentage money that they print and put out in the circulation, that takes away from the value of your savings. And so it's a tax on your savings. And so it's um it's very very devious. You know, before uh they did that um you know what they they had, you know, they had to only spend money on the general welfare, but then they said, "Well, you know, if I give money to Ben, Ben's a good guy. He's going to spend that. He's going to give that to Jennifer and they're going to buy something and they're gonna that's going to go to somebody else and they're he has a family. He's going to buy food for his family and that goes to a farmer. That farmer does this." Well, that just trickles out and uh that helps everybody. And so me giving, you know,5 billion dollar, you know, stimulus bill to my buddy Ben actually does help the general welfare because it just helps everybody, right? And um you know, and uh it's it's it's a con, you know. I mean, that was something that we knew for 150 years never flew and now they just they just do it. And that's when lobbyists came in. That's when money uh entered politics because now you had these massively expensive campaigns. You had all these people um uh paying to uh get, you know, get the ear of a politician or a president and uh and then they're getting all these special interests that are in Washington and um and and paying to get federal money. And uh that only happens when you have when you can give money to special interests and that's actually strictly prohibited in the constitution. So like why the hell don't we repeal that? Why don't we take that to the Supreme Court and say like yeah I can't do that anymore. I mean that would just sort out a lot of problems right away. What would also sort out a lot of problems is you repeal the 16th amendment and if they are not able to tax people um their piggy bank goes away, you know, and uh you know, same with the Federal Reserve. So, I totally think they should go away. You know, even the idea of like, well, we need to raise money for a war. I don't actually know that that's a great idea either because previously they had you had to vote on a war because you had war bonds. they couldn't raise money to to put an army together and and build, you know, munitions and things like that. Like, we went into World War I with our the American army was less wellarmed than the American citizenry. There was like basically the the original AR-15 platform. That was that's that's preWorld War I. There were more people in America as private citizens that had those like semi-automatic uh rifles than the US Army. you know, they still still using largely boltaction rifles and things like that. So, people are saying like, "Can I just bring my own gun?" Like, it's it's better than this, you know, and so, uh, that's how it's supposed to be. It's like, "Oh, you don't want people having better guns in the military?" No, you you you do. You do because you don't want the military being able to oppress the citizenry. But in any case, the um the wars happened because people said uh I'll give money. I'll buy war bonds and um and if that, you know, that's something I believe in, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and I'm going to put money towards that war effort. And if enough people didn't didn't buy into it, wasn't going to happen. And so if people have a problem with, you know, some sort of invasion, they don't have to yell about it and talk about it and on CNN and bang the table. They can just say, "Yeah, well, I'm not putting money towards that." And uh and then it just fizzles out and it goes away. You know, so it's um it it actually gives uh the people a lot more power and control over how our government runs. And that's the whole point. It's a government of the people, for the people, by the people. So we just live our lives and we get to self-govern. we get to self-ruule and we get to decide whether our nation goes into war, whether things are being spent on stupid and or not. And now we've we've lost that. Now it's back to the old school uh oligarchs and monarchs and uh and and rulers, right? Where they get to make the decisions for us as opposed to us getting to make the decisions for ourselves. And um I think that uh any way that you can get the hell away from that is a good is a good option. That's really interesting that El Salvador has gone to the Bitcoin standard. I even just going to the gold standard is is a leg up. You know, there was a statistic I saw. Who knows maybe, you know, someone can fact check this. Um but something I heard that like um a hundred years ago uh the average cost of a house in America was three bars of gold. And right now the average cost of a of a house in America is three bars of gold. And so it's a it's a it's a save against inflation, that sort of thing. But um yeah, I heard Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Sal Salvador doing a lot of good things. I know that Dr. Jack Cruz was down there as well. He's he's still there. He's posted up. That's his home now. Yeah. And he's like he comes back. He's a neurosurgeon in um New Orleans. He just comes back for a week each month and just does like a you know trauma call or something like that. and um and uh and he's down there, but like apparently they they had him like the government had him help draft a letter where they're saying that we we will not accept the you the WHO dictating, you know, medical directives um to the country like we will not do that, you know, so piss off. So I think that's that's pretty good. And they're offering like visas to u you know professionals, doctors, lawyers, philosophers. Pretty interesting that one. You know, people that can you know are trained how to think as opposed to what to think. You know, that's probably an interesting one too. Um but yeah, do you know a bit more about the El Salvador things? That's actually sounds like they're making some some power moves there. They definitely are. And uh yeah, Jack Cruz is a great example. he's down there and he's a huge Bitcoiner and I I don't remember his exact origin story for going there, but I'm quite sure how to do with Bitcoin. Um, they're really just at the same time as so many countries are having a brain drain. They are having an influx of these Bitcoin brains coming in to help rebuild this country. Another duo that's very well known to Bitcoin Spheres, Max Kaiser and Stacy Herbert. I'm not sure if Max Kaiser rings a bell for you, but he was on CNBC in like 2010 telling people to buy Bitcoin when it was like pennies. So, he's been a game for a long time just telling people that and they they've posted up over there to help rebuild this country and it's it's working really well. And I can't wait to go check it out myself. And they're not the only one that's on track. There's a bunch of other ones that are coming out. But, as you'd expect, it's the smaller countries with with less to lose. And the big question right now is what the heck is the US going to do? Because we are in the biggest position of power right now. We have the most to lose from that because we are the current global reserve currency like lord. We we own the money of the world basically. And everyone has a target on our back because they're tired of playing our games. And so it'll be very interesting to see what happens because I was so I was at the Bitcoin conference this year in July. That's where I got to meet Sean Baker and Ken Barry and some other carnivores. They're slowly carnivores are trickling into Bitcoin. We're we're reeling them in. They're coming in. And uh Donald Trump was there. He did a speech. I went I went to it. It was boring as but it was interesting because, you know, the candidates are starting to talk about this. Yeah. And it's part of the conversation. The Overton window is shifting. And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was also there. he actually knows what he's talking about for uh which is he's like one of the only people that actually has done his research on it. So that's quite interesting now that him and Trump are connected and don't even want to get into politics there. But all I'm going to say is I mean Bitcoin doesn't care who you are, what your politics are. It's going to keep churning along and keep going up. That's what it does. It's programmed to increase in value over time because it's a simple supply and demand equation. the the demand is going to continue going up as people do their research and learn that every single fiat currency by every government on Earth is programmed to go down in value. Unless you think that the government is all of a sudden going to be responsible and stop spending. We're at about 36 trillion of debt right now. I'm not feeling too confident about that. And so I'm going to go on a lifeboat. Bitcoin is the lifeboat to this situation where you can have a form of money that's programmed differently. It's completely outside of the system and it doesn't need anyone's permission. It's it's built to withstand all of these attacks and we are already well into the the phase where if governments try to attack it and take it down or ban it as uh China for example, they I I believe at least 12 different times they've tried to ban Bitcoin mining in China, but every single time it just doesn't work because it's a giant whack-a-ole game of trying to stop the people in their country. they just leave the country and go do it somewhere else and they lose all that money and inflow. So they okay, let's turn the ban off and they all come back. It's the the baby's out of the cradle at this point. Like you know that's it's too far gone for any of these governments to stop even if they wanted to. So it's smarter for them to play along and jump on board. And it'll be very interesting to see what the US does again because we have the the infinite money printer. Like we could literally print money to buy Bitcoin and that would just cause all kinds of chaos because you know you I mean just don't have zero Bitcoin guys. That's all I'm gonna say. You don't want to have zero when things start hitting the fan because we're we're getting to a point where things are getting real hairy. We just had a having recently. I'm not sure if you understand how the having works, but it's basically a programmed part of Bitcoin where every four years the rate at which new Bitcoin is mined gets cut in half. Wow. So it's it's it's like an asmtote going up to that 21 million level and uh once it gets there no more Bitcoin is mined but until then ste like slowly increasing supply very slowly. Um but it's essentially getting squeezed. So it's just a huge spring right now. And this is why I personally am interested in far more things than just the price. I I literally never look at the price. I don't care. I'm buying a little bit every single month. Just stacking sats as we say, just dollar cost averaging, just making sure that I'm getting that that accumulation as big as possible for when these things start happening and when the dominoes start falling. Um, and things are just going to naturally happen. And it's a very safe bet to to be holding the future and not the present because the present is fiat monopoly money that is going to continue going down. You're going to keep getting poorer. the work you're doing is going to buy less and less. Everyone's starting to realize this and this is where that demand part of the supply and demand comes in is that more and more people are realizing this doesn't make any sense that why why is my rent getting more expensive? Why is it getting more expensive to buy food? I thought this was the richest country in the history of the world. I thought that, you know, as these as our efficiency gets better as a race, as we have all these fancy technology is getting better and our communication is getting better and the supply chains are more efficient, how come things aren't getting cheaper? Wouldn't they get cheaper? They're supposed to back when we use gold because the money was not getting debased even faster than human productivity gains. Pretty much the only thing that's getting cheaper right now that's able to outpace inflation is technology, which is why we go to the store and you see the TVs are getting cheaper and cheaper. That's because technology is getting better so fast. It's actually beating inflation. But very few things are able to do that. So, you know, it's just going to be more and more things getting more and more expensive. And this all comes down to, well, it brings us back to just mental health, which is something we talk about a lot in the carnivore world. When people are feeling helpless because the work that they're doing in their lives isn't enough to feed themselves or their families, then they're they're just put in a state of despair. And this is what fiat money does to a population is when the government is able to steal from people at will, it's going to continue doing that. going to be a magnet for the sociopaths who just want more and more power and will play into that corrupt game and it's it's not going to stop. And you you talked about wars a little bit there. Unfortunately, this is looking like it's going to be an increasingly relevant topic as you know turning on the news and looking what's going on all over the world right now. We got Ukraine and Russia. We got Taiwan and China and who else knows what could be on the horizon. A really simple analogy to look at how war works on different money standards back when we were on the gold standard. Just think about like the feudal days when you have two kingdoms with a big pot of gold on each side. They have an army and they want to fight each other. One of them wants to take over the other one. So they the king has this big pot of gold to pay their soldiers with to go fight. And the two sides basically just keep going as long as they have money left because they need to pay their soldiers. As soon as they ran out of gold, the soldiers wouldn't get paid anymore. They said, "Fuck it. I'm going home. The war is over." And it it's finished. It stops. And what we have now is infinite money printing war where they never stop. The the goal is to continue perpetuating these wars as long as possible because that's that's sweet dollar bills for the military-industrial complex. That's what they want. They want they continue showering money on both sides of the war so they can profit off of all the death on both sides. And these are just truly sick people. You know, it's it's a really crazy situation. It's all enabled by fiat money, the ability to print infinite money. And this is why Bitcoin plays a huge part in this conversation. And it's it's understandable why why outsiders think that when we talk about, you know, Bitcoin stops war, like that's that's too hyperbolic. That's that's crazy. It doesn't make sense. It's just like a just a goofy internet coin, right? It's just like this goofy toy. But no, this is a huge huge deal. This is a new form of money being introduced on the market which is truly free. It cannot be confiscated. It has a hard supply cap and is fully transparent. in every single 10 minutes there's a new block so everyone can go audit it. The Federal Reser reserve has never been audited. There's no transparency whatsoever. But on Bitcoin, anyone can go look at the entire ledger. So, it's just a total game changer in so many ways. Hey guys, just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at Carnivore Bar. 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And um and obviously when things are like important, like you're getting invaded, people are going to people are going to pony up, you know, and um and so yeah, that's really important. And and you know, even if we don't repeal the 16th amendment, put the cap in there, you know, put that 10% that's it cap on there and say like nothing more than this. like why do we not have, you know, you know, an amendment um on that amendment and get like, you know, get enough, you know, votes together, enough states together to say like, "No, this is you've been reckless with this. You've got to be put in timeout and uh and just, you know, do that the whole 10% maximum sort of um uh tax rate." Um, I was going to say because we are unfortunately running out a bit a bit out of time, but I just wanted to I don't know if we're going to have to get been able to get to everything else, but just one real quick question hopefully. um is a concern that some people have that I've had, which is like when you buy uh Bitcoin, you you say you can't track it, but some things like, you know, I think Coinbase is now having to report to Australia or a they're not allowed to like take their money out or those sort of things. Are they getting it reported to the tax office and things like that? But, you know, that sort of raises the question, you have your your Bitcoin on these different platforms and apps. Um how do you get it out? How do you then turn that into money? If you're in El Salvador, you can you can go to McDonald's, but what about if you're not? Um, how do you get how do you get your cash out when you need it and to spend money? Great question. So, those are the exchanges that you're talking about, the Coinbase, there's Coinbase, there's Kraken, there's Cash App. Um, there's lots of different options where you can go and it's like a marketplace for buying Bitcoin. And oh, by the way, don't don't even touch crypto. Crypto is a waste of time. Go to why bitcoinonly.com to learn more on that. But essentially that's just a place where you get the Bitcoin but you want to move it off of there quickly because that is a choke point that the government can screw with that that's a central point of failure that exchange. So every one of these exchanges has a functionality where you can send that Bitcoin that you bought on the exchange to an external wallet and you can you get blue wallet on your phone, you can get Moon wallet, Zeus wallet. There's lots of options and it's really easy Google search. There's plenty of them out there. Uh, a lot of most Bitcoiners that are veterans really recommend a cold storage wallet that's completely offline. Like cold card is one for example, just to throw it out there. And uh, that way it's completely off the exchange and you're good to go. It it's it's off the internet. You want to be off the internet as soon as possible so it can't be taken away. Does that answer your question? Yeah. And then and then when you have that there, let's say like, oh, you know, something happened, hit the fan, I need to, you know, buy something. How do you how do you get that money out again and turn it into a fiat currency and then use it to exchange? So, if you did need to switch it to fiat, this is something I've never done because I'm holding my Bitcoin till the grave, but you would just go back to the exchange or any exchange. It wouldn't even have to be the same one. It would just be something you'd set up your account with. You would put send that bit Bitcoin back there and do the exchange for fiat. Um, like I said, I I'm not expecting to ever do that. I'm I'm using that as my savings account. I'm keeping some fiat on the side for situations where I do need it still in fiat world to pay rent and taxes and all that stuff, but Bitcoin is my savings account. That's not being touched. I'm I'm locking that up for the long term. Okay. And so the idea is that you think that long term you're going to be able to use Bitcoin as um as current like you'll be able to have a card and and and buy buy and sell things with Bitcoin and have that directly go to your wallet. Is that right? Yeah. So, the long-term vision is I mean, if things go to today and everything blows up, I'm just going to fly down to El Salvador and that's going to be the spot because you can do everything with Bitcoin there. All you need is your phone and just any of the wallet apps and you can just scan a QR code to buy things and it takes seconds and that that's there's a lightning network which is a whole different can probably don't have time for that, but this is for like the quick payments that you're going to be using to to buy your steak and buy your burger. Um, but in onchain Bitcoin is the the kind that you want to hold for the long term. There's there's don't mean to throw any extra confusion in there, but one extra thing to add is that there's going to be more and more countries going on to the Bitcoin standard. We are still early to this. So, right now it's pretty slim pickings, but you can even find people in your communities in any country. And when I was in Austin, Texas, for example, tons of places accepting Bitcoin, they can just have it on the side. There's people at farmers market. They're starting to have Bitcoin accepted here signs and it's in a decentralized grassroots way. More and more small business owners and entrepreneurs are starting to accept it. So you don't have to wait for the government to give it the okay. That's I mean the point of Bitcoin is that you don't give a what they say. You can just pay peer-to-peer with people that have a Bitcoin wallet. That's all you got to do. You there's zero third parties involved. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, and I guess that's that that is sort of the point you were making was that this is um at the moment anyway, this is sort of an investment sort of thing against hedging against inflation and and this sort of nonsense that's going on. It is h I mean, think about it. You know, 20 years ago, the national debt in America was the largest it's ever been. It was $4 trillion and now it's 36 trillion dollar. I mean, it it is just And quick, by the time we get this podcast out, it'll be another few trillion. I guarantee it. It's just it's off the rails. Yeah. And so yeah, it's it's it's uncontrolled and it's uh and I think that's on purpose. I mean, people have made that that point that um there people trying to you have to destroy the currency and devalue it and just blow out the the the debt of the country to the point that it's not salvageable. You can't come back from it. And that will tank the country and then they'll be able to to remake it in their own ghouish image. Um but uh who knows? But either way, it's it's bad. it doesn't matter why they're doing it, they're doing it and it's and it's absolutely ravaging uh the economy and people's lives and it's going to have huge repercussions as a result. So it's not a bad idea to hedge your bets or even just you know buy gold like you said you know that that's a similar sort of idea and um gold can be taken from you certainly you saw that in in Nazi Germany you know they're uh you know doing that on mass bitcoin is a bit more hidden uh same sort of concept but if you're not comfortable with bitcoin you know maybe maybe be comfortable with gold or something like that um you know watch your fillings get your teeth pulled you know I've seen see that happen. But um but great. Well, Ben, thank you so much for coming on. It's been a pleasure. Very interesting. It is it is a topic that I am interested in. I haven't sort of pulled the trigger on it myself, but it's something that I I think I I probably will. I have I have a bit, but um uh nothing to speak of anyway. And I don't know all the tricks on hiding it off of Coinbase and all that sort of stuff. So, that's something I'll need to look into as well. But the man to talk to, Dr. Chaffy, I'm not letting you turn this off without me giving you the shill. say Fedina Moose, author of the Bitcoin Standard. I've been lobbying for a while on Twitter. I know you're not super active over there, but I've been tagging you two for like a year now. Oh, yeah. This would be an incredible podcast. You two are would compliment each other so well. He's extremely smart dude, really into Austrian economics, and that book he wrote, The Bitcoin Standard, is like the big fat surprise of the the Bitcoin world. This is like the ultimate book to read. So, anyone out there looking to learn more about this, go straight to the Bitcoin Standard, read that. It will change your life. I promise you. Have I'd be super interested. Have you ever seen Thomas Soul talk about Bitcoin at all? I've never heard him say anything. I haven't. You know, that's a good question. I I haven't actually looked that up. I I usually look into him when I'm just researching the history. So, he I think he would love it if he's out there talking about I don't know. I'd have to look into it. That'd be interesting. Well, send me that guy's info, maybe like some of the videos he has, and I'll I'll check him out and uh you know, maybe we can do something. I will. He's a carnivore. you guys will get along very well. Awesome. Yeah, already speaking my language. So, um, cool. Ben, thank you so much for coming on. It's been absolute pleasure. Um, so the website is ycarnnavore.com. Um, and, uh, can you tell us other your other social media, podcast, other sorts of places that people can find you? Yeah, so my name benworman.com. I have everything there. I have my podcast there. It's just the Benworman podcast. Why carnivore.com is my big carnivore website. Why? Bitcoinonly.com is the Bitcoin version. I have a couple more. I'll just shotgun out here. We didn't get to talk about Nostra today. We're gonna save that for next time. Studynostra.com. That's study nstr.com. People check that out. It's decentralized social media. Super cool. And uh yeah, we've got so much to talk about next time. We'll we'll reconnect when Bitcoin hits 100K. How about that? Awesome. Sounds good, man. Great chat with you, sir. Have a good one. You too, man. Thank you everyone for watching. really appreciate it. You know, let me know your thoughts on Bitcoin and carnivore and how these worlds are colliding and uh and what your thoughts are as well about everything we talked about. We sort of uh branched out into economics and and a bit of politics as well, which is not part for the course, but um hopefully people found that interesting. Let me know what you thought and we'll see you next time. Hey guys, thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say. If you like it, then please like and subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast. 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