No. 1 Dementia Treatment | Hal Cranmer

you can pretty much tell a carnivore diet's not can hurt anyone and that's that's what I like to do in my homes cuz the Department of Health is very strict about regulating you know they count out the pills when they come inspect you and they match it to the prescription and make sure it matches the diagnosis but the the rules on food are you have to have a menu posted so the residents know what's coming up they have some vague references to that's got to follow the dietary guidelines and your policies procedures then there's people that say well no I'm never going to go against the guidelines and you say well the guidelines are going against the evidence evidencebased medicine says that that's not right literally this this this was actually said to a colleague of mine uh by their head of Department said I don't care what the evidence says I care what the guidelines say I practice guideline medicine and like that's insane because if you're practicing guideline based medicine you're 15 to 20 years behind all right hello everyone and thanks for joining me again uh joining me again this is Dr Anthony chaffy with the plant-free MD podcast and today I have a great guest uh Mr Hal cranmer who is the director of um facility in Arizona who has been uh using the cornivore diet to help his elderly patients with um dementia and Alzheimer's how thank you so much for joining us today it's great to be here Anthony thank you so much for having me on yeah you're welcome so for people who haven't come across you can you tell us a bit about you and and what you do sure um like Anthony said I'm Hal cranmer I I'm the um I own four assisted living homes in around Phoenix Arizona um my wife and I own them together and they're licensed for up to 10 people in each home uh we have a full-time 247 staff that takes care of them we're actually not a a big facility like I said there only 10 people in it we take residential homes large home residential homes when we converted and put a whole bunch of bedrooms in them uh some extra bathrooms things like that and uh it it gives more a family atmosphere um and it it gives a better caregiver to resident ratio uh like if you drove by the Home in the neighborhood you would never know it's an assisted living home it looks just like every other Home in the neighborhood um but it it allows for a lot more social interaction uh with our residents and it's uh I don't know it's easier to manage than a big facility too and I don't have the money to invest in a big facility so I get I bought what I could afford that's great and so you've sort of taken it upon yourself to to try and address the health of your of your patients a little differently and uh using using diet is that right yes I I it's what's turned this from an investment into a passion um when I first got into this business I um toured a bunch of other facilities I'm not trying to knock any of them but it seemed like the the overriding theme in Assisted Living was you you know follow the doctor's orders whatever they say and everything else is a business like how can we reduce costs and maximize Revenue so the big selling point in a lot of Assisted Living businesses is we're going to have this gorgeous beautiful five-star accommodation you know to lure them in and charge the max amount of money but the way we're going to take care of them is we're going to just follow the doctor's orders give them their prescriptions on time make sure that we follow exactly the dosages and everything like that but as far as food's concerned we're we're going to keep our budget as low as possible for the food and and that's not to say you know there's some that charge $10,000 a month for people 15,000 20,000 I've even seen um so they're going to give very nice beautiful food but the food you know is a beautiful chocolate cake for dessert and it's you know whatever filet minan but then you know French Fri with it or or baked potato or something like that you know so those highend ones the low-end ones are going to get keep the budget really low you know Mom likes peanut butter or jetley sandwich or ham and cheese or grilled cheese or you know macaron and cheese um so when you don't see people up and about you saw people laying down in bed pled in front of the TV in a recliner all day you know know and they only get up either for you know hygiene purposes toileting or eating and I just said there's no way I'm doing that you know I I may not succeed but let's try and so I just I started with let's just have them eat healthy I didn't know much about carnivore or anything like that I said let's just not feed them so much ice cream and cake and cookies and let's let's just give them a salad and maybe you know a a skinless chicken or you know what the US dietary guidelines are and things like that um and I started seeing a little improvement with them that way just cutting out a lot of the excess sugar and I thought hey we're on to something so I just started reading more and more um I I went through a vegan phase and um tried that hired some vegetarian nutritionists and um just to start with I could tell it was not going well because they had me going all over town to get all these exotic ingredients and some weird stores that I I'm like this is not sustainable I got to feed 40 people three meals a day and I got to go find all these ingredients all the time I can't run my business I can't build my homes and sure enough within a month of of doing that I had people a I didn't have any anyone improving um people were losing weight which you know in the elderly you know in a normal Community okay that might be nice but when you've got elderly women who are 105 pounds to start out with it's not real good and um and I had tremendous push back from my residents and their families like my mom hates what you're serving she's going to move out if you don't stop this so I I'm like okay this isn't working yeah what's that good for them like they were on to something yeah so so I I politely told my nutritionist this isn't working I I can't pay you anymore we're going to go back to regular food while I try to figure this out um and then ironically I was listening to another podcast and there was a guy named uh Dr John jackes I don't know if you ever heard of him but he has exercise equipment called an X3 MH and I was really I more than the diet I was in I was hearing what he was saying about building muscle and everything like that so I thought okay and he had a book called weightlifting is a waste of time so I like okay I got to buy this book and see what it's about um so I started reading the book and bought his X3 equipment and started working out with it and and really enjoyed it and he and saw some gains from it and noticed that he was talking about this carnivore do and I thought well that can't be right just me you know and and some fasting involved so I'm like well give it a try well I gained 10 pounds of muscle in six or eight months doing it and I'm like wow this is cool um so I I started talking to people about it and started talking to my caregivers and saying can we try this and I had I had one guy who really wanted to go home so I bought his family the book The carnivore code by uh I think Paul saladino and they read some of it and they said okay well we'll try it with Dad well Dad who had neuropathy and a bunch of other issues suddenly got a lot better and got well enough that his family was like we're giving our notice he's coming home and I'm like fantastic great to hear I'm really happy for you so um we actually moved him home and I was like wow this carnivore Thing Really Works so I started talking to other families um at the same time I was looking at uh something called the brison protocol um this just became a big passion of mine like all these people have all these different problems and yet so many of them probably are related and can be helped through diet and and maybe some Lifestyles things like that and um so as I looked for what can we do in dementia and Alzheimer's being the number one thing I thought I I found this brison protocol which is a there's a doctor on the west coast named Dale bres and he put he's been studying Alzheimer's for 30 years and he's actually had some people reverse their Alzheimer's on his protocol like he has people working for him now that at one time time had Alzheimer's and I'm like wow that's interesting and so um there's a home in San Diego called the morama home that um only takes people in to do this protocol and they're having access to it um but the one thing that kept bugging me about it was he was very much he wanted he said you got to do low carbs because you got to go into ketosis and the ketones in your body will go up to your brain and where the glucose can't when you have dementia and Alzheimer's and feed your brain give it give those mitochondria energy and start building back those Pathways um I thought well I'm reading about this carnivore diet and it's you can't get much low more low carb than that and um you know how can I combine this with the brison protocol I'm not some PhD scientist like he is that studied this forever but I just it made sense to me like it seems like this it it still would work and I actually had some discussions with their nutritionist and things like that um who said that she told me well in his book it said you don't want to you want to have some meat but you want it to be fish and you don't want it to be so much beef and you want to because um meat causes I think it's glucon neogenesis is that the term mhm okay and it it creates carbs in your body which is what we're trying to prevent and I I I that X3 guy John Jakes has a Facebook group and someone brought that up to him and he said no here's a whole bunch of studies that say your body makes just enough that you need yeah no more you don't overdo it on carbs that's not true and then as nutritionist also told me you know if you eat too much meat it ages your body a lot quicker and so you want to slow you know we're trying to slow that down and I said well can you are there studies on that or something and I I haven't seen any to this day on that um so we've basically taken the brison protocol and put it it's hard to convince my residents totally to just meat and and you know go complete carnivore so we have a little keto to make them happy try to get really some low carb vegetables but I tell I have some Cooks at my home and I tell them meet meet meat you know eggs for breakfast fish chicken but lots of beef I I have a a meat distributor and I'm not S I have I have a lady that came to us um there's a there's a test for dementia that is zero to 30 it's a you take it on a piece of paper it's like draw a clock face and draw at a time it's hear some words we're gonna ask you some other questions and ask you the words you know sort of those kind of a and um if you score a perfect score means you're totally normal at 30 zero means you're very very Advanced dementia she came to us scoring a 15 um we put her on mostly meat carnivore diet in in five months she's she just scored a 22 W and 27 is normal so she's in the mild cognitive decline stage but she I mean I tell her hey did I get you that piece of paper you needed for the insurance she's like oh yeah you emailed it me three days ago and I'm like you remember that and she's like oh my God I remember that so um she she went out with her daughters um a couple weeks ago and for like a three-hour lunch hangout together and her daughter said mom didn't forget anything for this three hours straight so um and we're doing some other interventions with her but the primary thing is the diet and um she's eating a ton of meats we had we had ribs for lunch today beef ribs and she gobbled them up um so I I even the ones that don't have Dementia or they're not on this protocol I'm doing it for everyone in the house seeing some great results I'm also I got another house and I hope I'm not rambling too much here no please yeah okay I have another house that I negotiated a contract with an insurance company um that pays for people in skilled nursing and I I asked them what's your biggest headache what what's the people that no one else wants to take and they said bariatric residents or or extremely obese people and I said great um I'll take take them I bet I can make them lose some weight and um we uh so I I hired a nutritionist that is like good buddies with John Jakes he's in Las Vegas he's a wonderful guy named uh Daniel mear he's about 280 pounds and about 8% body fat and he um he's a huge fan of the carnivore diet and so we got our first lady in Last October and she's just moving out to Independent Living this week she was 550 pounds when she came to us she's down to 320 in nine months on a carnivore diet um and and some fasting too it's not I mean and we got to re using the X3 of course um we just got another guy in our second one um we got him in at the beginning of August he's he's came to us at 650 he's lost 45 PBS and his blood sugars went went from 150 to 100 um on a regular consistent basis he's over the moon already and loving it um so I just had I just got back from my homes today one of the ladies in the home where the lady with dementia was um she was not eating when she came to us we we try to help her eat and she'd sort of chew it a little and then just spit out the food well my nutritionist or not nutritionist my chefs cook very good carnivore meals uh you know with a little veggie on the side and stuff um she's now asking for seconds and she gained 10 pounds she I mean she was RA thin she let's see she went from 87 pounds to 97 pounds her family's absolutely thrilled um you know so people think like the carnivore diet is for weight loss or the ketogenic di for weight loss you can gain weight on it too what it seems like is it gets you to a healthy weight and then you stay there so it's not like you know this is going to make you anorexic which that vegan diet seemed to be doing I lost I was on the vegan diet for a while and I lost 20 pounds and my wife was like you need to get off this I'm worried about you yeah so it's it it's made me a True Believer let's put it that way right well that's the thing sarcopenia which is the atrophy of of muscle mass and becoming so so skinny and frail in the elderly is is a major major problem and and one that is is a major factor in death you get so weak and so frail that you can't even support your body and you fall and you smash your hip or you break your hip and that causes you to fall because your bones are so brittle that the neck of the femur just snaps and that causes you to fall and so that's what yeah that's the thing so people say oh they fell and broke their hip but sometimes if you talk to them they actually found a sharp pain in their hip and that's what caused them to fall so it's really they their hip broke and that caused them to fall and so they're so weak and so frail because their bodies have just sapped out all of the protein and collagen from their body and their bones that they are just so frail and that it's it's a major major major killer in in the elderly population and so like you say it's not just mes for weight loss because that's people do say that it's like well I'm already I'm already too skinny I don't want to lose weight I don't want to go to cornard that because I don't want to lose weight this is to optimize your health this is to optimize your weight and so as long as you're eating enough because that can be a problem too if people they're hunger issu well hunger signals are much more subtle on a on a carnivore diet so it can be pretty easy to undereat because you just don't feel hungry my dad after 6 months of being on a carnivore diet and losing a bunch of weight and feeling great my mom asked him you know Kenneth are you hungry and he said I haven't been hungry in six months so I I don't know how to answer that you know and and so that's the thing you just don't feel you don't feel hungry in the same way and so you can you can undereat very easily and um and you could lose weight more than you want so it's just you know being but if you are able to eat enough and you're eating meat and fatty meat until it stops tasting good which I think is is a good litness test for for satiety uh then people generally put on they put on muscle they lose fat they put on muscle and they gain health and the the amazing thing is that it's great that um was it Dr brear or bris bris BR Dr bris um you know did identify the fact that you know Alzheimer's is being called type 3 diabetes and you're getting insulin resistant to the brain as well so you just can't get glucose into the brain and so it's just been running on low energy for decades and and it can just shrink and atrophy and get worse and switching over to ketosis and having ketones running your your energy structure that just bypasses that you don't need insulin and it just goes bang right into your brain turns on it's like a flicking a switch and your brain starts working a lot better and it can also start repairing and rebuilding because ketones cross the blood brain barrier and reconstitute into fatty acids which make up the physical structures of the brain your brain is fat your brain is cholesterol and so you need fat and cholesterol uh for that which actually reminds me you were you mentioned as well well there we discussed at um the San Diego Symposium for metabolic Health we discussed there was some uh presentations at a previous conference um from Dr David Diamond where he was talking about different studies uh discussing how certain statins like lipore could cross a bloodb brain barrier and actually prevent your brain from making cholesterol and the problem with that is that statins don't reduce your LDL cholesterol by getting rid of some of the bad damaged small densed LDL that are in your body it just prevents your body from making the large boyant LDL cholesterol molecules which are good for you which are important for you which are very important for your brain because they make up a significant portion of the physical mass and matter and structural components of your brain and the myelination of your axons um quite a bit of that is cholesterol and so when you prevent your brain from making cholesterol you're stopping it from making these essential building blocks and it uh it can be damaging and so what he was saying uh what he presented uh was this study that showed um certain people with diagnosed with Alzheimer's were on these specific statins that cross the bloodb brain barrier and they took them off the statins and in about six weeks they all of a sudden didn't have Alzheimer's anymore oh yeah I can believe it yeah and then they put them back on the statins and six weeks later they had Alzheimer's again right so that's not Alzheimer's or maybe Alzheimer's is we think it is hey everyone if you need a little extra help getting started on a carnivore diet and my online resources that I have for free aren't enough for you you can go to www.how carnivore and sign up for our 30-day carnivore challenge where you'll have online Resources Group support weekly Zoom meetings as well as the ability to chat live with myself Simon Lewis and the others in the challenge who can help you and support you and give you extra advice and help you along the way so if that sounds like something that would be beneficial to you then please go to how to carnivore docomo I I work work with a company called a mine for-all season that's lives that headquarters out of Idaho and they they study a lot of this stuff and help all kinds of cognitive decline like they work with a lot of NFL players and their concussion problems and things like that too but they had a lady who um they reversed her Alzheimer's because they found she was very into gardening and um she was going into her card and shed and spending a lot of time in there and her husband kept gas cans old gas cans in there and she was breathing in the fumes of the gas cans over many years they sort of you know got some stuff that chated out of her body or she sweated it out I'm not sure how they did it but they said she turned around and became completely normal so there's a lot of contributing factors to alzheimer's but what I see at least in my homes is diet is the hugest part of it cont true like the the people who are Advanced dementia that come in my homes they're sugar aholics like or sugar addicts they you know if there's no sugar on the table they'll open the pack for the coffee and just you know down that because they're they need the sugar just it's sad to see and you realize you know this this is really preventable this is really um if caught early even reversible and people don't see that and and speaking of drugs too one of the ladies that we put on this protocol um my doctor I got a Doctor Who's very enthusiastic about this took her off her mtin which is an Alzheimer's medication and her memory improved when I took her off it oh wow yeah yeah so I mean that might not happen in every case but it sure makes me wonder you know are we going after the right thing they all talk about those beta amid plaques in the brain but when you talk to Dr rtis and everything those are the brain's defensive me mechanism against something else it's not you know th those aren't the cause of the Alzheimer's that's the result of the injury to the brain that it's trying to fight back on yeah um yeah and one benefit sorry one other benefit of the carnivore diet one of the contributing factors to alzheimer's is um tooth decay and in infections in your mouth um I'm learning about this I'm become like the biggest advocate for healthy teeth but um when you um when you get on the carnivore diet your your teeth become a lot healthier I found just you know I go to the dentists now and they're like you have fantastic tea you're doing amazing stuff and I'm not doing crazy stuff with my teeth every night but just changing my diet has helped that which in turn helps lessen your your Alzheimer's and Dementia yeah well you know your oral health is is uh brought about by the things that you eat the bugs eat what you eat and so you know if you're eating what's healthy for you you're going to cultivate bacteria that your mouth is designed to have and that your gut is designed to have I mean this all this all works together this all about this biological design and if you're eating what you're designed to eat then you're all these little moving parts are going to are going to fit together and work well and oral health is is very important you know this there's strong correlations um and even some some causitive uh relationships between our oral health and our overall health metabolic Health cardiovascular health mental health and and dementia as well so that's that is you know you can sort of think of that as a canary in the coal mine if you're if you have poor dentition oral health that's a sign that other things are happening as well I mean it's the gatekeeper you know you're just battering down the gates and you're just looking at this shabby wreck of a of an opening at a castle you're like all right looks like the looks like the mob has already gotten here you know and and it has so that that can be a way to think about it but you know when you mentioned the beta amid plaques that was actually um that was actually really relased last year that this the the people who published on the beta amid plaques being a causitive factor for Alzheimer's they fudged their data and so they it it was actually a con and so this is this is the problem with with all studies um you you people are trying to make a name for themselves publish or parish and you know you and you make this big publication you get a faculty tenure position out of it you know or down the road you might and so they they it and um and uh they Li all wrong yeah well that's the thing you know and that's why it's just well with this study and that's couldn't care less I couldn't care less if you have a study that disagrees with reality that study is wrong you know and um you know I've spoken to this about with with uh you know different vegan proponents and they say well yes you know we know that humans have been eating you know meat for millions of years and we're adapted to it and all that but that doesn't actually mean it's good for we have these studies that show you know uh that that you know that if you eat less meat and more plants or whatever with all these you know bias confounding factors in it uh that you know things improve and whatever okay well you can design a study to to say whatever the hell you want um and but it doesn't matter what it says if it goes against reality it's wrong you know you have people that are eating a lot of meat and they're doing well oh well just wait no I don't need to wait there's entire civilizations that do this and have done this and they did not have the diseases of the West and they started eating more plant-based started reducing the amount of meat they at they got sick they got worse you know you know heart heart disease and Alzheimer's and things like that these are very new diseases we didn't see these things hurting people killing people certainly not in the numbers that we're seeing them now even 50 years ago 100 years ago they were are almost unheard of Alzheimer's disease I believe was described in the late 1800s anything yeah and we didn't have Dr Alzheimer there you go and we didn't have as far as I know we didn't have anything else that was like Alzheimer's that was just called by something else before that that was it that was when this was first sorted started coming in and this is started when we started massively increasing our Reliance on on agriculture refined sugars and Seed oils came on the market around then as well and that's when heart disease started coming up as well and so people saying well but I have this study and so just ignore you know ignore the man behind the curtain there's this study look at the study look at the study you know like I I don't care about the study it doesn't fit with reality it doesn't it doesn't describe the observed phenomena right and if it doesn't do that it's not a good study and so but yeah so these and and and that's the thing you have to you have to trust reality before you trust a study because there there are a lot of just studies out there and there are people that lie and we know that in the Food and Drug industry that there are people been paid off anel Keys har know multiple professors from Harvard you know who presumably were great uh uh scientists and researchers because they were able to sell their influence they had to have influence and credibility in order to sell it and so you know I'm sure they did good work but they're sellouts and you can't trust anything they say after that and so you know it's um we know that there's corruption we know that there's flaws we know that you can design a study to to come to any conclusion that you want to you can pick your end points retrospectively and which has been done uh very recently and there uh New England Journal of Medicine actually um uh showed this recently that there were there were a lot of these studies that were retroactively uh picking their end points and so even so they they were supposed to do a study that came to this end point like we're getting the wrong results here so we'll pick these other end points earlier on that actually show a benefit for what to show our narrative so they know that this is doing the opposite of what they're saying but they don't they're not looking for the truth they are looking to push a narrative and so we know that and so the beta ameloid plaque things was one of those things so these that came out I think last year maybe the year before but they it was garbage so these things were you know when they had these were a causitive factor in it that was not what their own data showed that's amazing because I think drug companies have spent hundreds of millions of dollars on Alzheimer's drugs to reduce beta himaloy plaques yeah that's money down the tubes yeah I had a little story like I had a new caregiver join us and I was explaining to her what we're trying to do with this diet and keep the carbs really low and everything and she's like she texted me and said you know giving them all meat like that is really going to hurt them it's going to hurt their kidneys the best thing to give them is like good vegetables raw vegetables and stuff because in 3 to six months this will make them very seriously ill so I sent her the picture of that rancher in Canada that you put on your Instagram I said this lady's been eating that way for 65 years or something she's 82 and works 14 hour days on her Ranch in Northern Canada I think we're going to be all right yeah I didn't get a response from her so it's like you said you know what works it's not what you know the the whole Co thing the internet was full of my study can beat up your study and it was never um you know no one would ever agree on what worked and what didn't and it's probably I think coid brought it to the Forefront but that's probably been going on for years of you see it in the news and six months later after a study there's another study totally contradict that study yeah and so you look at people who are doing things and what's the results they're getting and that to me is the best study you can do yeah yeah well I think that's it you we talk about the you know evidence hierarchy I think that that reality is is the highest level of evidence if you looking at something and you can see what's happening I can throw a rock and I can write a publish a study and do a meta analysis and show that rocks don't fall and that gravity is not real okay but I can see that it did I can throw a rock and it falls okay so I can observe reality oh but that's oh that's anecdotal you know all right um but it is reality and it's going completely against your nonsense Theory a theory is only as good as what it's able to to um predict right and so if you're saying that well if you eat more meat and less plants you're going to get sick but when people eat more meat and less plants they get better that's you know oh but just just wait just wait 90 years and see what happens okay well this person's dying now right they've got Alzheimer's now and um you actually was talking to this about this with with someone in a in a debate I had with a vegan guy and and he was saying oh well you know 40 years they're going to get heart disease and this and the other well first of all that's completely wrong but second of all you know someone is dying of multiple sclerosis right now I'm thrilled that they'll get another 4 40 years to die of something else you know someone has Alzheimer's now and they can't and they can't um they don't recognize their family they don't recognize their children they don't know where they are half the time and they're scared and they're alone and they're waiting to die I I'd be absolutely fanatical about them having another decade or two or three to die of something else I'd be thrilled about that and that's what you're not getting yeah no we we've got some people in that came to our home on hospice with predictions of like 6 months to live and they were with us for six years wow you know and yeah they don't get maybe some of them don't get to go home that's that's a lot of the problem in the Assisted Living businesses you uh they bring them to us you know when they're 96 years old on hospice and sorry yeah you know I wish she brought us to bring up to us 10 years ago but um they um but you do get some that you can put them on and you see a lot of improvement and the you know the families are thrilled by that when that happens so um and and assisted living is a great place to do it because it's very hard to cheat you know you take someone who's been doing the standard American diet for 80 years it's not that easy to just suddenly say you're going to eat the rest of your life you know so but if you say you know kitchen's closed you can't get anything else and hey there's nothing else in the house but this yeah then then they kind of you know the the Cravings don't get strong enough that they run out but even if they don't go home and get completely better they're well enough that they can go out to dinner with their family or they can go um you know home for a weekend or the holidays or we had one guy go on a cruise we sent a a caregiver with him and he went on a cruise with his family he was 98 years old came back just grinning from here to here had the time of his life and you know and he he died a year later but he he his whole family was thrilled that they could do that for him and you know that's there's something really great for that you know you just you don't want to think you get to 80 and the rest of the next 10 20 years are just going to be bedbound watching TV you'd like to think you know as one old guy said I the way I want to go is being shot is jumped out of the window of a jealous husband's house yeah yeah you know so um I said well let's try to make that h i I'll make the fitness part you'll have [Laughter] to but um you know people don't want to be that way and unfortunately a lot of families are like well mom loves her cookies or mom loves her cake and and I try to say to him that's the reason mom's in here you know let's I think Mom would be happier walking around the block with her grandchildren than the grandchilden stuffing her full of sugar and people are starting to get it they see people improving and then they go then they start you know when I when they first come they're like well Mom's 85 and she's got dementia I don't think there's really anything we can do but then they see some of the people improving and they're like tell me more about what you're doing MH and and it it starts catching on so it's it's a slow process but like you said it's not the studies I put in front of them it's the hey look at her you know she came to us six months ago and didn't know any of our names and now she knows the names of every caregiver here yeah she knows her family which is more important yeah well and and and there are studies too I mean there there's a study in uh with Alzheimer's specifically with ketogenic diets where this showed that putting people on high fat ketogenic diet had better efficacy than every medication for Alzheimer's ever trialed right oh I'm thoroughly convinced of that I don't need a study to that yeah exactly and um you so that that's interesting so how how long have you been doing this you you said you had a guy with you for six years um when did you start putting people on a carnivore diet well the the guy who I'd been with for six years I started really doing the carnivore diet in about 2020 2021 he just I just you know a year into this I started just feeding him healthier like I just took them off I I got dessert out yeah and you know I I can't bite it completely like birthday parties they're gonna have some or Christmas there's G to be someone bring it in and they're going to relapse a little but it's one day two days out of the year right and um so just even feeding that one guy that went six months to six years just feeding him a healthier diet helped a whole lot and then you know we now we've got him on the ketogenic and he's doing a whole lot better yeah but you know just eliminating the sugar to start with helped a ton and when I came there like you know the we'd crush up medication and give it to them in applesauce and you're like you know you're just canceling each other out there so um you know now H like a dog or something yeah yeah exactly they're like well my mom needs soft a I'm like well let's just puree it let's grind it up and give it to them it it doesn't have to be this great presentation of you know a hamburger with a nice slice of cheese on it or something like that or a steak you know we can we can grind this up we can give them fish that cut up really small or that kind of stuff eggs definitely um so there ways to do it and and we've been working with a couple doctors who have their own like sort of ketogenic protein powder we've been feeding some exogenous ketones uh to sort of raise the ketosis level um so there's there's more you know these guys are well down the road and and what I've learned is is dementia Alzheimer's it starts in your 30s and 40s there people in their 50s who are getting Alzheimer's now um it's moving earlier in the life cycle a and you don't know when you start losing your memory you're well into Alzheimer's that's not like the start of the disease so I'm trying to also educate the families as you know if Mom and Dad have it you may get it you know so you may want to start these diets and stuff now and prevent it and I'm thoroughly convinced if you live a healthy lifestyle and eat a a low carb carnivore maybe ketogenic diet you can absolutely prevent this disease and and we could we could eliminate this disease with the right guidance to people from from the world hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nut trip ious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just your meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the main stream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys yeah it's just convincing they don't need the crap yeah if um so you've get you've gotten some people on uh keto some potentially even full carnivore have you noticed a difference uh between the ones you can get full carnivore versus just keto well the full carnivore is really the weight the weight loss stuff um yeah the it the ones who have to mention Alzheimer's I'm I I have trouble convincing to do the the carnivore one guy went home he did full carnivore for a while and I do have one lady who is pretty much all carnivore who's not a weight loss candidate she's an elderly lady um she didn't have a whole lot of dementia but she had fibromialgia she had congestive heart failure she had a a lot of a disease of old age she was bedbound when she came to us and now she's tending our garden in the backyard and going out there I mean she sits down when she does it but she walks out to it and then sits down and works on it I mean she's growing plants and and all kinds of flowers and things back there and we've got some volunteers from a local church that come out and bring plants for her to plant and stuff so um that one I I see the carnivore um I see physical um attributes getting a a lot better um you know the the physical diseases like heart failure or fibromyalgia or um even Parkinson's disease uh one lady um who is very close to full carnivore she came to us with a lot of shakes she wasn't diagnosed with carnivore but she had Tremors her hands like Rock Solid now nice um yeah so um and I I've read that Parkinson's is some of it's a deficiency of B vitamins I don't know if that's completely accurate but there's a there's a doctor in Italy unfortunately passed away from Co but um he uh he was getting people to lose their Tremors a lot by feeding them a big dose of of is it what's B1 is that thyman um uh yeah I don't if I'm not misremembering I think it is thyman yeah yeah okay so yeah like grams of thyman kind of thing not milligrams and uh there I mean he was showing before and after you go look him up on YouTube so um but just doing the diet I didn't feed her a whole bunch of vitamins and things like that I just you know did you just eat a lot of meat here yeah and her ters pretty much went away so yeah um that's what I'm seeing more with the carnivores either weight loss or the physical Improvement of um ailments physical ailments the the dementia the people I have on the breis protocol we haven't haven't convinced a lot of them to do just meat so but it's it's primarily meat every meal I mean I'm and I don't know I mean I I love the steak and everything but I try to slip in some liver some oysters you know some really nutritious zerocarb kind of things that have a lot of Mega vitamins in them and and things like that too and and um my cooks are very good at hiding the taste of liver with some like low carb sauces and things like that so yeah that was good I I can't I got to have some variety in my homes the families come over and they're like you know mom's had three steak three night three days in row let's do something different you know I personally love it sounds like sounds like Grandma's eating well you three nights of steaks in a row well occasionally we do that but yeah I I have a a meat supplier that um gets me sort of bulk meat at a a discount price and that helps a lot um the the uh the the weight loss people eat a ton of steak I I give them a lot and it clears up um like the girl who's lost a lot of weight she she had regular bouts of cellulitis and that's that cleared up on it um so and definitely I'm seeing blood sugars go way down across the board because we have a lot of diabetic people and a lot of people off insulin um some even off their metform and that kind of stuff yeah so it's uh it's neat to see yeah well that must be very satisfying you know you you're talking about the thigh immune deficiency if if I'm remembering correctly um if I'm not getting the name wrong like there's a wores and keytis which is from a thyine deficiency from alcoholism so people that that are habitual alcohol users uh they can come in and their their they have the stagos their eyes are just twitching back and forth and they're and they're they're jittery and they have these Tremors and uh you have to slam them on uh you know high do thyine I I don't know about grams I think it was something like 300 milligrams daily of thymine um you keep them on that for a while but yeah through through that significant thyine deficiency you can get serious uh brain damage and it can be permanent and so that's really interesting that uh that doctor in Italy found a connection between that and and Parkinson's that's very interesting I do know that there are studies looking at LDL cholesterol and found that people with higher levels of LDL cholesterol have lower rates of alzheimer's than Parkinson's and so you know that seems to be some sort of connection in and around there as well again the brain's made out of cholesterol you need it uh you don't you don't want to you know you're going on this heart you know s so-called heart healthy lowfat diet and you know you're lowering your cholesterol you're lowering your your supply of these essential uh fatty acids and you you can't you can't build and maintain and repair your the physical structures of your brain and so guess what your brain stops working so well because it's not it's it's it's a physical organ and it has to be physically maintained and if it isn't your you know e IAL Consciousness gets damaged from that oh I believe it yeah and the doctors put people on satin just because of their age yeah I mean I had a huge fight with my dad because his his cholesterol is like 130 and he's not a vegan or anything like that he just has naturally low cholesterol and his doctor put him on the stat and like that's ridiculous D ask your doctor what cholesterol level you need to go off this stat yeah so yeah I think he's off it now but I was I was just like showing them all this stuff like these are not good things for you and you have no fear of having ey cholesterol well you know but you know but let's say that having higher LDL cholesterol is is a bad is a bad thing which I don't agree with but let's say that it is you know putting someone on a Statin medication to lower their LDL cholesterol when they have normal cholesterol by their metrics is the equivalent of putting someone on blood pressure medication who has normal blood pressure just because they uh they're over a certain age okay well you can drop your blood pressure too low and that can be a problem drop your cholesterol too low it can be a problem and also you know statins don't reduce the small dense damaged LDL cholesterol molecules they stop your body from making the The Beneficial healthy normal large buoyant LDL cholesterol molecules and and so that's really not great and so even if we're just worried about this number that number is a problem number which is I completely disagree with um right that that's still going against their own mechanism of action they're saying that the number of of LDL cholesterol doesn't matter what what you know over 100 different particles kinds of of LDL cholesterol molecules out there doesn't matter then they're saying it doesn't matter which ones they are they're all bad why do we make it then you know why do we make LDL cholesterol if it's all bad all of it's bad it's all bad you know like that that doesn't how did how did the Romans survive how did you know the Middle Ages people survive like why they just all die of heart attacks oh but that's their argument that everyone died when they were 30 apparently even though there's zero evidence of that I mean how old was Marcus aurelus when he died you know how old was Socrates when they killed him with a plant right you know he was like 76 you know and um so you know the founding fathers were all you know late age when they when they passed away yeah in George Washington they bled him to death yeah exactly doctors yeah yeah yeah every every historic after doing this and hearing that every historical figure I read about I look at what their age was because I'm interested like they're not dying in their 30s no they're all done in their 70s 80s even 90s no that's it you know the average life expectancy from birth was was lower because infant mortality rates were so high you know and so in 19 they all had 11 kids to get five of them to survive or something that's it yeah but when you if you did and you didn't die in a war or a famine or a plague you know if you were going to die of old age people lived a very very long time and so you know I mean without Alzheimer's and without Park ex which didn't exist at that point you know people say sure they did exist we just didn't know about it I'm sorry you made your name uh and and put it down in his Alzheimer's disease that's Dr Alzheimer's he is enshrined in in history forever because he made that disc Discovery I have no idea what else that guy did with his life but I do know that he discovered that and we we have a disease named after him and so you know if he hadn't discovered that no one would know he would have died in obscurity likely and uh to most people now he's a household name right yeah and so that's how you made your name that's how you you pass down your name throughout throughout all history you you immortalized your yourself in in uh human civilization everyone wanted to describe new diseases and so we're publishing and Publishing it's like oh look at this I found that there in fact there was um there was a story guy um a doctor in Dublin in the uh this back when he was part of the UK uh in the 1800s and there a mecca for for medical Sciences in the UK and in Dublin you know Trinity and the Royal College of Surgeons were very very very um well regged institutions um in European medicine and there was a doctor there and he had you know normally when they're doing autopsies they're autopsies autopsies autopsies to see what's going on in dissections and they found that you know because this was you know during a lot of coal uh production everyone was had whole fires there's a lot of smoke there's a lot of smog and so the you know the population Center was in Dublin and so the bodies that you're getting that you're cutting up and that you're dissecting you're describing are from Dublin they're living in the Big Smoke right and that's that's what they called it and so they um they found that the lungs of everyone were just black you know they just have this cold us so that was normal to them that's what they thought normal lungs looked like and then this doctor got a guy from the country and they didn't know why he died so he's doing this autopsy and he like oh my God the hell's wrong with this guy's lungs they're they're bright pink like that's crazy you know was like this there's something wrong here this killed this guy this must be the cause of death so he's cutting it up doing slide trying to figure out the difference between this and he published it and it was pink lung disease right so you know like that like you published what you saw people saw things they saw a difference like no no no this is different then and you'd publish on it um as my as my professor of anatomy from the Royal College of Surgeons said you know you know be careful you know think about what you're doing take a look at why things are different understand you know what's normal before you start trying to describe things are abnormal because you don't want to be the guy that describes pink lung disease you don't want to be you don't want to go down as that guy being remembered as that guy you know oh yeah yeah wow that's a great story though I mean my my brother actually went to Harvard Med school and he's an opthalmologist and uh I remember my parents coming home from parents weekend and they said the head of the Harvard Med School told them you know to a big Auditorium um half of what we know is in medicine is wrong we don't know which have that's it and and I always think of that when people are like here's the definitive study or here's what you need to do and I'm like are you sure yeah you know unless I see it actually working I'm like I'm not yeah convinced well that was what that was what um that was what Mark Twain said was that it's not you know what we what we don't know that gets us into trouble it's say what we know for certain that just ain't so yeah and that's the problem you know yes and yeah you think that this is definitely the case but it's dead ass wrong uh that's yeah part of that part of that Breon protocol is hormone therapy uh we find a lot of women especially women have very low levels of hormones they may have a hysterctomy or something like that as they get older and hormones make a big contributing factor to alzheimer's uh but it's hard to get a doctor to prescribe hormones because there's this belief out there that if you give hormones to elderly women they're all going to get breast cancer and the the people I'm working with like have all these studies that that's just not true and it took me going through two or three doctors before I could find one that say all right let's try it you know let's make sure she's okay but and it improved her it helped I mean I can't tell you we do a bunch of different stuff um definitively that that help but it I'm sure it didn't hurt you know they're only getting help so it's there's there's a big um sort of um I don't know barrier that there's insurance requirements there's standard of care requirements and things like that that make it very difficult to innovate in the health care field it seems like because they're you know this is what everyone agrees is what we need to do so I can't deviate from that because I might lose my insurance or I might get sued or you know something like that and so it you can't just go off let's try this and see if it works kind of thing and obviously we don't want to do anything that's going to hurt someone yeah but you can pretty much tell a carnivore diet's not GNA hurt anyone and um that's that's what I like to do in my homes because the Department of Health is very strict about regulating you know they count out the pills when they come inspect you and they match it to the prescription and make sure it matches the diagnosis but the the rules on food are you have to have a menu posted so the residents know what's coming up you know and I I'm thoroughly convinced I could put M&M's and ice cream for every meal you know they they have some vague references to it's got to follow the diet dietary guidelines and your policies and procedures but if I put my dietary guidelines to feed them straight sugar they'd say okay you're following your policies and procedures you're doing good yeah I'm like you're so worried about that medication but diets whatever you want yeah it's it's interesting what's the thing with the guidelines as well there are they well first of all they're written by bureaucrats they're not written by doctors and clinicians they can have a panel of clinicians and scientists and doctors that uh will will say well this is the evidence this is what it shows this is what we think this is what we recog commend and then politicians and bureaucrats will go behind closed doors and they'll they'll do whatever the hell they want and it's generally It generally looks nothing like the the recommendations put forward by by the clinicians and that and that's if the clinicians are you know really honest you know because a lot of them are influenced by industry and Food and Drug companies as well but uh but either way they're just they're not they don't they don't even get um they don't even listen to them um there was a there's a book called I think it was called better it was by uh Dr Atul gandi who I believe is at um Brigham Women's Hospital in in uh Boston which is like a Harvard Hospital so he's he's a surgeon there and and he wrote These the a series of books that are quite popular they're quite interesting as well his first one was complications that was a series of letters or or or essays that he wrote Into The New Yorker I believe and they're just really interesting medical stories fun fact the first year the first season at least if not more than that of Gray's Anatomy every single medical story in there was straight out of that book complications and that's why they were so interesting and compelling you know and and then they put a bunch of butchered uh you know drama to do with it you know on top of it just ran out of stories so yeah and but but um but yeah but all the all the the actual medical stories that was a lot of those were straight out of that book complications and I remember seeing that the first season I i' read that book I'm like I they had better pay have paid this guy because they have ripping him off you know I mean this is like some of some of these things they they even said there was one resident who made some snarky comments said this and the other and they had that little Asian girl going oh my God I can't believe and said the same thing you know I me straight out of this book right so oh wow they didn't even try to hide it no no so I'm I'm sure they paid him but I they had better have paid him but or else he could have sued them but um they uh you know he he wrote in his next book it was called better just getting better how do we improve how do we get better all these sorts of things um he wrote about this guy who is a doctor treated cystic fibrosis and he went to two clinics one was just sort of a normal Clinic they did normal things by the normal guidelines and evidence-based medicine they had the normal results and they had this guy who was an outlier he had amazing results he had a guy with cystic fibrosis who was 64 had no issues you know most will die decades before that and um and he was he did things differently and he did things in his own way and uh Dr guandi mentioned was like so this you know is this sort of goes against you know the the evidence-based medicine evidence-based practice and that's the whole thing evidence-based medicine you have to you know follow the evidence and the guy just sort of laughed he said if you follow evidencebased medicine then you will always be two years behind the curve or behind The Cutting Edge you know because because what I'm doing now will become evidence-based medicine because I'll be publishing on this and in years from now that will be what's in the evidence so you know if you you need to be out here uh innovating if you want to improve things and so if you just want to follow the crowd and play it safe then sure and and you have to do that for a while because if you don't if you don't know the boundaries then you don't know where you can safely push them and so you need to you need to do that for a certain period of time but then there's people that say well no I'm never going to go against the guidelines and you say well the guidelines are going against the evidence evidence-based medicine says that that's not right and they say well I don't I don't care what the literally this this this was actually said to a colleague of mine uh by their head of Department said I don't care what the evidence says I care what the guidelines say I practice guideline medicine and like that's insane because if you're practicing guideline based medicine you're 15 to 20 years behind The Cutting Edge you're you're 15 to 20 years behind the evidence you know so that's the worst thing you could ever do and the guidelines are for people that really don't know what the hell they're doing and they just are just trying to play it safe that's that's really what it is yeah yeah I mean the definition of guideline is hey this is just a general idea it's not yeah exactly if you're useless and you know nothing just sort of stay in this box and uh and and we won't take your license away yes exactly no but I I agree and and that's the big thing is I don't want to do anything that even could have a side effect I mean we follow all the doctor's prescriptions we meet all the Department of Health requirements but there's still a lot of leeway that you can do and just changing someone you know people come to me and say well like carnivore diet or that ketogenic diet is kind kind of out there but they're fine with it ice cream and cereal and macaroni and cheese and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches yeah you're like that's totally no one questions that I mean I I was with a lady in the hospital she was on hospice she had all kinds of sore some kind of skin condition that was causing sores on her body and everything and I watched the nurse come in and order her lunch and it was macaroni and cheese and chocolate and I'm like Jesus don't you think we could feed him something a little healthier than that and she's like well she really likes it and like well she probably would really like cocaine if she tried it but bet I don't think it's a good idea to give it to her yeah so some heroin maybe well she likes it yeah there therefore you know I can come up with all kinds of things she'd like that probably wouldn't be the best thing for her yeah yeah yeah well that's a thing too um you know I I think it's well I think it's amazing that you're doing this and I I I really really do commend you for uh you know taking the chance to saying hey look how do I help these people this is not just a business these are people and this is this is there people's lives and and you know let's let's try to do something good for them and I think that when you do that those altruistic sort of moves that actually generally helps people in a free Society you know like this where that that you actually benefit because now you have a better business model you know and you're helping people and how people are attracted to now you can have you know the cranmer protocol and you can have the institutions like this is what we do you know and uh and and we're getting people home and I've got people here that you know you know used to have Alzheimer's and now they're they're my Gardener you know and so you know and um and you can do that as well and that and that's going to bring people to you as well so you know that but it started out with that that altruistic motivation which was you know well let's let's try to help people let's not just try to perpetuate their existence and profit off of that you know which I tell my caregivers let's take care of the care and the money will come yeah you yeah well that's it chase money you'll never will never be that successful that's it it's it's it's when they can come and see their mom doing better their dad doing better that they're going to go tell their friends about your place and I get that a lot I have even for people passed away I have families that come and help volunteer or bring food over or things like that because they feel like they were part of a family when they were there so um yeah that's my biggest testimonial is seeing those families come back it's it it makes it really fun to get up in the morning and go do this job yeah well that's great yeah i' I've wanted to get that done or something like that similarly done I have a friend of mine who um operates uh elderly care and assisted living facilities um and and sort of rehabbing them from you know Hospital sort of like a step down sort of units but then they also have terminal Alzheimer's and Parkinson's patients that they just can't they can't be at home anymore they need they need a lot more care than that and he was all for doing this it was just a matter of convincing his board because he doesn't own them he's just like the CEO and and director of these things and so like okay you just have to get it passed by our our uh you know our doctors and our chief medical officers and things like that um and uh and well yeah well I just I the problem is is that you know I'm in I'm in another country so he's back in Seattle and so it's a matter of I I just need I need to be able to to set something like that up when I'm over there and I can actually meet with the guy and try to convince him and show him uh show him uh you know the EV idence for this and why this isn't a horrible idea um which is I think EAS to do sorry i' love to get I'd love to get on a zoom call with them yeah do this well that'd be perfect too yeah and um yeah I might I might just send my my buddy this uh this interview as well and just uh and just have him watch it you know because it's because that's that's a thing too I mean even even from a business standpoint you're you're going to be a more desire able facility if you can if you can do something that no one else can do you know right and you can you can get these people better and home and with their families again and enjoying their lives again I think that that's probably the biggest gift you can ever give somebody ever um and you know I'm sure people have done that already you know people well people watching this you know if you have a family member or a friend or your your own experiences if you've changed your diet if you've gone to carnivore or keto or anything like that or they have and they've improved their symptoms please leave a comment below and let people know that uh you know your experiences with that as well um but the more we get this word out and the more success we have and the more stories we have of success the more people get interested in in doing it themselves yeah so yes I think it's great if you can sh if people can share their stories about it because it really does work and it's really cool yeah I agree well how it's been an absolute pleasure I'm so glad that you came on and I'm so glad you were able to share this I'm so glad you're doing the work that you're doing and helping these people and helping them get better and literally giving them their lives back and giving their family their parents back which is I don't I don't know what else you can do that's that's better than that for people so thank you very much for doing you doing that work thank you for coming on and please tell uh everybody where we can find you and and support you online sure um thank you it's first of all it's wonderful to be on here and I use your podcast and pictures and stats to convince other people so please keep doing what you're doing I my assisted living homes are called a paradise for parents um a paradise forp parents.com is our website I'm on Twitter at Hal cranmer I I like to tweet about you know successes we have and um and make fun of stuff that's silly and um I uh I'm I'm trying to start an email list of just sending out emails what we're doing and and all the different modalities and and things we're trying um and uh we're I've got like two places you can sign up for the list I made like a little checklist of things you can do at home and it's you know a lot of diet but there's other things like red light therapy um better sleep things like that um and you can get that either um at fight memory loss.com you can sign up for it or uh bring memory.com um and it'll give you the the um little checklist thing and and I'll send you emails of just stuff we're doing because I'd love to spread this word and help people out I love to know I'd love to shut down my industry and have people fix themselves at home and never have to go to assisted living that would be be amazing well yeah I mean think about it I mean how many of these assisted living homes existed 100 years ago go yeah hardly any were there yeah I mean yeah it was just maybe some some infirmaries institutions or something like that but I mean the the amount were vanishingly small I'm sure yeah people love their lives at home that's it yeah and their kids took care of them and were able to take care of them now I have kids come in tears exhausted can you know never gets any sleep because their mom or dad's up all night wandering around it's really sad yeah yeah and that's not normal and most of the time people were taking care of themselves and you know they weren't invalids you know that was that was that was a a rare thing that someone was was like they worked on the farm a day or two before they passed away yeah exactly and um you know so people yeah people lived much better lives uh in that regard anyway obviously there were a lot of other uh harsh harsh things as well you know that's that's a thing too you know I mean why are we why are we guessing on how long people lived in the 1800s or the 1600s or the 1500s um we have a population that's that's a perfect Test example of that we have the Amish how long do they live right yeah and so you know I mean they're not dying at 30 you know they're living the same way that we lived in the 1600s and um yeah I no they don't die at 30 you know sorry guys no I don't when I go to the hospital I don't see a lot of homage people in there no no I've never seen an homish person but uh you know um but yeah but that's that's I can't believe I never thought about that before but yeah that's it you know it's just like you know they they're living how we did in the past and no they're not dying uh you know very very early horrible deaths and um and they're certainly eating meat Amish you eat meat guys and Dairy yeah so yeah there you go they'll eat plants too but um you know they they things that they grow and raised yeah it's very different very different diet it is but it it's working for them it does thank you again I really appreciate this it was lot of fun it was great meeting in San Diego too at the low carb conference no it was very great and you know I appreciate you uh reaching out and it was great to meet you there and and um yeah was really good to hear uh what you're doing and how well is going so I appreciate that let's convince your friend let's do it I'm down all right sounds good thanks again to show is that that meat is bad you shouldn't eat meat you should eat fruits and veget you say when you eat more fruits and vegetables people automatically think you're eating that instead of meat right that's not the case you're eating it instead of processed garbage and if you're eating it instead of meat you will have poor health outcomes just like the AY you