Tyler shares his remarkable transformation story after struggling with severe brain fog, attention issues, and digestive problems throughout his childhood and early adulthood. Despite eating what he thought was a healthy whole foods diet with extensive plant supplementation, he continued to experience gas every 5-10 minutes, chronic constipation, joint pain, and such severe cognitive issues that teachers wanted to medicate him. His life changed dramatically when he met John Jaquish's father by chance on a construction job, leading him to discover both the X3 exercise system and the carnivore diet through extensive research into Dr. Paul Saladino's work.
Dr. Anthony Chaffee explores the science behind plant defense chemicals, explaining how plants actively defend themselves from being eaten through thousands of toxic compounds including lectins, oxalates, tannins, and antinutrients. These defense mechanisms can damage the gut lining, create leaky gut syndrome, bind essential nutrients making them unavailable for absorption, and trigger autoimmune responses. The discussion reveals how common spices like turmeric are among the highest sources of inflammatory oxalates, while seemingly healthy foods like spinach and beans contain compounds that can hospitalize people if not properly prepared.
The conversation addresses practical concerns including testosterone optimization on carnivore, with Tyler documenting clients who increased testosterone from 195 to over 860 within 8-9 weeks and successfully discontinued TRT. They discuss troubleshooting weight loss stalls in women, explaining how leptin resistance and metabolic damage from years of restrictive dieting can delay results, and why focusing on body composition rather than scale weight is crucial. The episode also covers the science of running on fat versus carbohydrates as fuel, debunking the myth that ketones are a "last resort" energy source when they're actually the brain's preferred fuel.
Key Takeaways
- Plant defense chemicals include over 900,000 different toxic compounds that plants use to prevent being eaten, causing inflammation, nutrient binding, and gut damage in humans
- Turmeric ranks among the highest foods in inflammatory oxalates, while common reactions like onions making you cry and garlic causing bad breath are actually defense mechanisms warning against consumption
- Men can increase testosterone by 30-40% minimum within 2-3 months on carnivore diet, with some cases showing increases from 195 to over 860, allowing discontinuation of TRT
- Weight loss stalls in women often involve leptin resistance above 100 (normal is 6-8), requiring months to years of consistent carnivore eating to normalize hormonal signaling
- Loose stools on carnivore typically result from eating more fat than the body can absorb through available bile, not from infection or food intolerance
- The brain preferentially runs on ketones when available, switching away from glucose entirely once ketone levels reach sufficient thresholds
- Organ meat consumption should follow natural proportions - one liver per hundreds of pounds of muscle meat - to avoid hypervitaminosis A and thyroid suppression
- Eliminating all sweeteners including stevia and monk fruit is essential for weight loss as they can trigger insulin responses that shift metabolism into fat storage mode
- Plant Defense Chemicals and Anti-Nutrients in Spices
- Tyler's Journey from Brain Fog and ADHD to Carnivore
- Discovering Plant Defense Chemicals and Carnivore Diet
- Carnivore Coaching Results - 30 Pounds in 12 Weeks
- How Plants Defend Themselves with Oxalates and Lectins
- Plant Toxins Damage Gut Lining and Cause Leaky Gut
- Fruit Toxicity and Why Most Plants Want to Kill You
- Organ Meat Debate - Do You Need Liver and Kidneys?
- Testosterone Replacement Therapy vs Carnivore Diet
- Women's Weight Loss Stalls on Carnivore Diet
- Fasting on Carnivore - Helpful or Harmful?
- Carnivore Diarrhea - Too Much Fat Causes Loose Stools
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all the the spices we like and the the ginger and the turmeric and all these good we think all these spices are so good for us and they're actually like especially termeric is like the highest on the oxalate spectrum and that's like what causes most people a lot of inflammation there's like lectins polyphenols anti- nutrients like there's just thousands and hundreds of thousands of these that are just constantly affecting us on a daily basis and we have no idea so just the concept of plan defense chemicals like I thought it was crazy at first but started looking into it and started hearing him explain all that and it did make so much sense it's just like these these anti nutrients inside these things these defense mechanisms when our saliva comes in contact with them the plant defends itself it is literally trying to kill you it does not want to be eaten so it tries to kill you any way it can and destroy your gut destroy your gut lining so that you will not eat it anymore welcome to the plantree MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically all right okay um Kick It Off hey everyone Dr Anthony chaffy again here with um another podcast today I have a guest uh Tyler who has been carnivore for over three years now and has been looking into all the different uh ways that this helps uh health and lifestyle and spoken to many other other experts in the field such as Dr kiltz and Jamie Seaman and I was a a follower of Dr saladino for a very long time and who helped him get on his way uh to his current state so uh Tyler nice to meet you and thanks for coming on nice to meet you it's a pleasure yeah not at all so um why don't you give us a just a brief uh background uh on yourself and how you came about all this yeah so um my family when I was a child we kind of ate a typical standard American di is and then as I got older probably like kindergarten first third second third grade then we started to kind of care a little bit more about our health um we started getting into more of a Whole Foods diet um and then started really getting heavy into like herb plant supplementation and ever since I mean as long as I can remember I have always had brain fog issues I've always had like add issues could sit still couldn't pay attention correctly um and just kind of nervous system issues I just had really high highs really low lows it was never consistent um and I just could never quite figure it out my parents could quite never figure it out um during school this was through Middle School uh High School even College um I really pissed a lot of teachers off because I couldn't sit still because I couldn't pay attention um and in Middle School my teachers did want to put me on ridland or something like that to control me um and my parents were not okay with that so we started diving a lot deeper into nutrition and the herb supplementation everything thinking that would help um but I just had such low self-esteem myself being told at such a young age like what is wrong with you why can't you pay attention why can't you comprehend any of this information we're teaching you why do you need so much extra help so I just felt really stupid for the longest time and I mean I felt stupid ever since I was a little kid I'll lay up until I was about 27 28 years old until I really really started figuring out correct nutrition actual correct nutrition um so my life was just a battle of just kind of disappointment hitting myself thinking like I'm never going to be good enough to kind of go to college get a good degree in what I wanted to do I wanted to be an engineer for a while um and I just thought like man I can't pay attention in class I can't comprehend any of the information how am I going to become an engineer because all the math courses you got to take so I kind of left that dream behind um I tried becoming a firefighter a police officer I tried starting my own landscape company um ever since I can remember about about 13 or so um on and off um I was working in my family business and fence constructions we build fences and I just came to the realization like I think I'm just I'm meant to do physical labor that's all I'm good for I can't remember I can't think clearly I'm just I'm just good for physical labor I'm just a physical person that's all I'll ever be so I thought those thoughts about myself my entire life and I accepted that um and I was also very skinny I always wanted to kind of become a bigger guy bigger bodybuilding guy and I tried everything I could I tried eating a crazy choric Surplus diet um multiple large meals a day um there was points where I would even I would have like six large meals a day and then I would eat between those meals have like nuts and stuff just always constantly pounding pounding calories because that's what the bodybuilding industry kind of told you to do you got to eat that often you just got to pound all these calories about proteins or chloric Surplus and I did all that and I tried to take care of that insecurity of being skinny um throughout that time and even I had the nervous system issues I had gut issues I'm not kidding I had gas my entire life I had gas probably every five 10 minutes there was probably not a time I wasn't gassing I wasn't constantly farting um and my gut was always kind of in pain it was bloating it just didn't feel good the constipation pains constantly um the most severe brain fog I couldn't hold a thought to save my life like anything I would I would listen to someone talking to me and it would just go in one ear and out the other I would watch a movie and I had no idea what the heck I just watched listen to podcast I have no idea so life was very frustrating for me and I just accepted that person that I was and I was just this way for a long time I kept doing the bodybuilding diet for the longest time trying to get bigger and I did get quite a bit bigger I gain quite a bit of size but my gut got worse my nervous system got worse my brain fog got even worse um and it just got to the point where it's like this isn't worth it this isn't worth eating this way and eating this much calories to get bigger um and I just kind of came to a point where like what what is wrong with me like what is healthy eating is is Whole Foods eating not healthy because I was eating everything organic well sourced for everything um didn't eat any processed foods limited sugar intake like I thought I was eating as good as you could possibly eat and every every kind of doctor I saw every nutritionist it pointed to kind of a Mediterranean Whole Foods diet that was the best way to go about it and so I did that for the longest time um but yeah none of my issues cleared up I actually eventually on a job my dad and I working a job and in Nevada City California and I was getting ready for the job I was setting up all the equipment um getting the job ready all lined out and um a man the customer came out to me and he saw this little healthy tea I was drinking and he asked like uh what what are you drinking what is that and I told him just like healthy um helps with hydration and he's like oh cool so like it seems like you're really into health and looks like you're really fit you're into fitness as well that's awesome I was like yeah yeah I work out like six days a week really into it um and he said have you ever heard of um John jaquish and he's like that's my son and um I was like no I'm who is he and he's like go and Google him real quick and I googled the guy and just this like super successful guy looked like a multi-millionaire like selling X3 bar this new workout system equipment um ran U strong and developed that bone density building equipment and I was just like man this guy seems like a big deal this is awesome and he's like he's actually coming here in a couple weeks if you want to meet him um so I was like heck yeah I'd love to meet him so my wife and I had the time two weeks later we went over his house and um we sat in the back patio and he broke out the X3 and he was showing the X3 to me and I just thought it was the coolest thing ever like I was I was open to kind of learning a different way of working out because i' had been a weightlifter for about 10 years up to that point and my joints like my stomach didn't feel good from what I was eating my like I said my my nervous system my brain um my body started kind of breaking down all my joints like my elbows and my knees my low back it just kept getting worse and worse all the inflammation and lifting those heavy weights and I was at a point where I was open to changing up my diet and I was also open to trying to find a different way of of working out and he showed me this and I thought it was the best thing ever like this makes so much sense variable resistance you're lifting lighter in the weakest range of motion where you're more susal to injury and then as you go through the movement you kind of push the band out more and you have the strong range of motion you're getting more reps in that strongest range of motion where you're seven times stronger than your weakest range of motion and this is how you you grow more this is how you grow muscle more it's the correct stimus for growth and you're gonna burn body fat quicker and gain muscle faster and I was just like the science it all made so much sense and I was just hooked so he had me tried out and I tried it and the first thing I did was a deadlift and the amount of muscle isolation I felt and no pain in my joints it was amazing I I was I was convinced and he starts going into the best thing to pair with this is the carnivore and I said no way like carnivore you mean like just eat meat I've heard about this before on The Joe Rogan podcast when he was talking to Jordan Peterson and he was saying he was carnivore and I was like that's insane you literally just eat meat that can't be good for you he's like yeah man like that this is the way I've been doing it for I think he had been doing it for at least six maybe eight years at that point and he said it really really helped him out and he's been gaining muscle faster he's ever had his entire life with a carniv diet and X3 combiner um and I just man that you're crazy but I guess I'm going to look into this and so I I he sent me an X3 about a week or so later I started doing the X3 goes hooked on that and then I started researching the crap out of the carnivore diet so um I would while I was working with my dad bu fences I would just listen to podcast like eight hours a day I couldn't get enough of it I was listening to Dr Paul saladino Dr Jamie Seaman Dr Shawn Baker and that's when I heard about you as well and I started listening a little bit your stuff as well and I was just like my God this makes so much sense like this might be able to heal all my is issues like getting back to eating like our ancestors used to eat as hunters and gathers this this has to be the way it makes so much sense just getting rid to processed foods and Fast Foods vegetable and Seed oils and plant there's plant toxins that's the thing and I was just like what like I didn't had no idea like how could something that comes from the earth be bad for us like it's natural it comes from the earth like how is it bad for us to eat it and I I just started learning about that and it made so much sense and I started doing the carnivore diet after I was convinced after researching it and I listened to exactly how PA saladino said to construct a carnivore diet at the time that he wasn't including fruits and everything and it was quick it was within like a month that my brain fog started lifting my join issues started going away my gut felt better than it ever had my entire life but I did have the runs just kind of moving into the carnivore kind of lifestyle and within I two two months or so two to three months I literally had no brain fog anymore at all no more gut issues no more joint issues whatsoever I felt like a new person and being this new person it freaked me out because I've never known a day of having a clear brain and I just felt like the possibilities were endless like I could do more than just being a fence uh fencing contractor like there there's so much more out in the world for me like I don't have to just be just settle for I'm just going to be a physical laborer for the rest of my life and I started thinking like man carnivore diet X3 bar I can train people on this and that's what I did so I I learned how to become an online coach I started training people on it and I loved it and within I think it was about two three four months I started become an online personal trainer with those things full-time um but then unfortunately I went through a divorce with my wife because I realized like she wasn't the right person for me the some of the friends I had in my life they weren't the right people for me because I could think clearly for the first time in my life and I was starting to take out things in my life that didn't serve me um and it was crazy so I got I got divorced um I I went through that for a while that really messed me up and all the insecurities I had about myself um everything was just coming to light because I could actually I could actually think clearly and I actually did go through a severe depression for a whole year because my life changed so drastically and because I got divorced so I actually went back in a fence construction for another year and then I came out of that and all the insecurities just coming up like you can't you're not good enough to have another career you're not good enough to do this or do that every single morning and then I started saying I am good enough I can do this and so I started giving myself positive affirmation every single day and I said I'm going to try this again I'm going to become a coach again and so I then gave my dad two weeks eventually and I said I'm I'm gonna go back and pursue the Online Career again and I didn't and ever since then I've been an online coach but it's just insane how just a little thing just changing what you eat how much it can truly change your life that's the only thing that was missing in my life to make it better was just the food that I put in my mouth and I can't stress enough how huge that is how so many people out there struggle when they don't struggle unnecessarily when they don't need to it's literally all about what you put in your mouth so that is how my life changed from the carnivore diet well that's awesome man I mean it's huge like that's a that's a yeah very lucky you ran into Jake wish's dad like that that's awesome yeah it's a freaking coincidence and luck and I always kind of thought like maybe I'd run into somebody eventually that would teach me something new I didn't know that would introduce me to a new career and it eventually it did happen and it was it was crazy when it did yeah that's awesome so doing for three years now and um and how long that you have you been doing coaching is it like sort of two years now I've been doing coaching about three years as well on and off I've been doing it full-time um like a year and a couple months now so not not too long yeah and what what are some of the results you're getting with your clients oh it's amazing I can I can always guarantee if someone follows the program they can lose an average of 30 pounds every 12 weeks I've had some people lose uh like 40 pounds in a month and a half before um I've had like 50 to 60 pounds loss for some people in about six months it's it's just fast it makes my job so easy I get them on a correig carnivore diet and their body just figures it out of course it the adjustment period but they start losing the water weight so quickly um and the body fat the body just starts eating weight that body fat living off at his fuel it's just so efficient it's so easy and I just don't understand how more people more coaches aren't aren't doing the carniv diet for people hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only prod products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys yeah well it's it's hopefully something that that more people will get on uh as well and and um you know talking to like Vinnie torich who did the movies you know fed documentary and and Beyond impossible looking all the food industry and all the garbage that they put out you know he was one of these um you know celebrity trainers you know back in like the 80s and 90s and things like that and he was saying there was just like there was like was a few trainers in Hollywood and like they had the secret and that you wanted to if you're were an actor and you wanted to get you know jacked for a role You' go to these guys and they put you on a program and you just get you just get shredded and they were all just doing keto but they couldn't call it keto because that was that would people freaked out uh by the by the terminology and so uh they just sort of you know just just do this they didn't give it an actual name and but that's that's really what they were doing and um um but now obviously that that's you know keto people know more about keto people are becoming more familiar with carnivore so it's it's less of a secret you don't have to have like a a celebrity trainer or something like that this is something that more and more trainers are hopefully getting on board with and um and we'll just get more and more prevalent as well because you're right it's so easy you know you're eating intuitively and your body just makes dramatic changes and it just it just helps with your workouts as well because you just get such better workouts and you recover so from them that it's it's almost like cheating IAL I talk to people that um oops that was unfortunate things falling down around me um uh when I was sort of first doing this and people were talking well you know can you really get you know good results in this than the other I'm like listen like i' I've gotten better results doing this than you know anything you know any I've never taken anything except over-the-counter supplements and things like that but like um anything I've ever taken you know I've never had any better results than this and i' I've worked out with um you know and trained with and played you know professional sports with people who were absolutely on steroids and and you know knowingly like you know something that this was not a a secret among the team and they uh did not get anywhere near the results that I got from just doing a carnivore diet and they were not as they did not get the the you know the increased Fitness and athleticism that I got and as the harder I pushed myself I my my growth athletically was much faster than theirs and they were on steroids I was not on steroids that's crazy my body worked a hell of a lot better than theirs did you know and so and and people that would free people oh that's you can't like well I can actually you know because like you know I've played professional sports with people professional athletes who were on steroids and and I was I was able to per outperform them and and uh and my acceleration and my of my development was faster than theirs even on steroids so it's it's an absolute Game Changer just people don't realize just how powerful it ish you know um so you you got pretty much into this you said because of like the plant defense chemicals that sort of you know had you uh you sort of had you sold at that point think like oh you know these things are really there is that like so what what what sort of um really struck you about all that yeah the plan defense chemicals it was a crazy crazy thing to hear at first because I couldn't understand like how could and this is the way most people LLY think like how could anything that naturally comes from the earth um that comes from the ground is grown from the ground how could that be bad for you like it it's from the earth and we all hear that I mean animals are which animals are abused in factory farming for sure but no one hears the other side of the story like regenerative agriculture farming how they actually treat the animals correctly um and if you do care about the cow's life you would support more regenerative agriculture um and I just started I I started having like an argument for people that like I don't support killing animals like it's and mistreating animals like no one no one should that's why regener of Agriculture and is like the good argument for that um and just the way it helps the land puts uh carbon back into the the soil and how much better the animals are treated how much better quality the meat is um and monocrop agriculture just how it's like killing the soil just growing one thing on one big plot land how it's it's not natural it's not it's not good for the soil it's not good for anything really and you're actually killing a lot more animal it gave me an argument basically to defend against vegetarians or vegans who are coming at me about carnivore lifestyle um and it's just like they don't understand that just because it's a squirrel rodent bird insect it doesn't give you any more right to kill a bunch more of those than it does to kill like a big cow it's just we have more of an emotional connection to killing um a cow it's more sad so we feel more bad about it um so it's just people aren't kind of thinking outside the box about that and sorry it's a little bit off track but that just made so much sense to me and just looking at plants and listening to Dr Paul saladino discussed that the different parts of plants that extra don't want us don't want to be eaten that really really defend against being eaten I just found that so fascinating like the the the root the RO fruits and the stems and the leaves like that is some of the most dangerous part of the plant that really doesn't want to be eaten and then things like there's a there's a plant toxicity Spectrum there's like the fruits they want to be eaten they want you to eat them and then disperse their seeds so they can multiply so if you think about the plant toxicity Spectrum eating if you're going to eat plants eat the ones that want to be multiplied um that are more bright that are more colorful that um they want to spread their their genes just like we would want to so I started looking at what he was saying on a plant toxicity spectrum that makes so much sense and why would you eat the vegetables that really look like they don't want to be eat they're more like gross like like a greenish color or they taste really bitter um and that that made so much sense to me looking at the Spectrum of it and learning that like all the the spices we like and the the ginger and the the turmeric and all these good we think all these spices are so good for us and they're actually like especially turmeric is like the highest on the oxalate Spectrum that's like what causes most people a lot of inflammation there's like lectins polyphenols antinutrients like there's just thousands and hundreds of thousands of these um that are just constantly affecting us on a daily basis and we have no idea so just the concept of PL defense chemicals like I thought it was crazy at first but started looking into it and started hearing him explain all that and it did make so much sense it's just like these these anti nutrients inside these things these defense mechanisms when our saliva comes in contact with them the plant defends itself it is literally trying to kill you it does not want to be eaten so it tries to kill you any way it can and destroy your gut destroy your gut lining so that you will not eat it anymore and most of us just tend to ignore this like we get the gas we get the bloating after eating plant foods and we just think nothing of it it's just like just kind of like beans beans beans magical fruit the more you eat the more you toot like that's just that people say it's like a joke to people but it's actually very serious like you it's telling you it doesn't want to be eaten and then I started hearing more about like onions there's a reason why onions make you cry when you cut them open like it's defending it doesn't want to be cut up and it doesn't want to be eaten there's a reason why garlic make your breast smell there's a reason why asparagus makes your pea smell so if you start looking at all these little Clues instead of ignoring it like most people then it's going to start making sense and it's not so outlandish so the way he was explaining things it made so much sense to me and when I started eliminating these Foods I started noticing my gut started feeling better I didn't have the bloating I didn't have the gas I didn't have the pain I felt like my brain fog started lifting finally especially getting rid of I ate a lot of white rice ate a lot of pasta a lot of oatmeal and I would always wonder as a kid like why why is my stomach so upset in the morning why am I feeling so nauseous and why am I feeling more brain fog at certain times of the day and it was more after I ate like what's going on there and it if I I wish I had KN this back then when I was a kid I could have saved myself so much freaking um harm back then um but the answer was literally in all what I was eating and I took away the grains especially all the issues went away took away the grains took away the the giant handfuls of raw spinach I was just eating every single day because I thought I needed fiber we're always told like we need this much fiber need some soluble fiber some insoluble fiber so I would just eat carrots and I would eat like sweet potatoes and raw spinach just pound like just pounded in my mouth they thinking it was good for me and in reality was actually harming me so I started making those connections when I started hearing this stuff and it worked it it was it was as simple as that so I I proved it with trying it that plan defense chemicals are a thing and they need to be they need to be learned about yeah that's the thing people people just do not respect plants as as much as they should you know and they think that it's just you know like you saying it's like oh that's silly that's crazy but you know no one no one's saying that it's okay to eat hemlock you know um you know that that's we've known that that's deadly poisonous for thousands of years is what what killed uh Socrates right so people understand that plants do have defense chemicals they understand they do have toxins and that get lost in the woods and you run out of food you can't just eat any random plant you know most of them will make you very sick or even kill you they understand that you can ask anyone that and be like okay why wouldn't you do that why why don't you just go to the park and just collect a bunch of leaves and make a salad out of that why do you spend money and go to the grocery store why you just eat any random plant if we're in the Garden of Eden you know well you can't just eat those plants well why not well because you'll get sick what makes you sick why would you get sick well they they're poisonous and they like you yeah no and so some people clicks for them and other people understand that but then have that sort of cognitive dissonance where they just say like oh well those plants are poisoness but these other ones aren't it's like well they may be less harmful to us and we may have some ability to detoxify some things better than others and we do but that doesn't mean that any of them are good for us you know and um you know and that's the thing too you know a cow eats you know animals that eat plants they they they eat very very specific plants they eat outside of that they'll get sick and there's a whole you know there there's whole different um you know field in in large animal um veterinary medicine where we have all these diseases and disorders that come from you know a particular animal eating something that they're not supposed to eat and they get sick from that and they have have specific names for that um and so we we know about that in veterinary medicine we should understand that in in human medicine as well that you eat something wrong you'll get a specific dis disease and disorder because it's not a disease it's it's a toxicity you're getting these toxins from these plants and you're getting sick from them and while a cow eats grass he eats very predic grass very specific grasses right and they can't eat all grasses other grasses will make it very sick right like they can't eat like sorghum grass things like they'll get very sick from that and so if they're eating their Natural Food they'll be fine to eat outside of that that they're not fine so let's say that humans are supposed to eat some plants right I think we can all all safely say that even if we were supposed to eat plants again it would be like every other animal very specific plants okay and they'd have to be plants that existed that we evolved on right so homo sapiens have been around for 300,000 years so this would have to been a plant that we were eating 500,000 years before that and evolved into what we are uh today right because really haven't changed in about 300 ,000 years so something we have we have been eating before this to be adapted to this already what plant are we eating now that existed 500,000 years ago what plant are we eating today they existed 50,000 years ago all these things have been hybridized and bred to be very different than their original form so none of the plants that we're eating now even existed 10,000 years ago 15,000 years ago 2,000 years ago you know we don't even have like the Heritage like wheat crops and things like that that like the ancient Egyptians had you know and even then you know they we have the stable isotope um technology we're looking at what they ate they were eating you know a bunch of Wheat and things like that they were getting atherosclerosis not the Pharaohs all the people pharaohs included so the normal people were getting atherosclerosis they had Pot Bellies they had gynocomastia and their their statuary actually depicted that men with with boobs in a gut and so you know this is uh this is this is part and parcel from eating the wrong thing and so and even then you know we're eating different things now than we were then you know so it doesn't it doesn't pass the smell test that we should be eating all the plants that we're eating now or any of the plants that we're eating now because none of them existed back when we were evolving so you know and that and that's the thing you know there's people just don't don't respect the plants as much as they should you know there was a there was a great video that's starting to that I saw and I started sort of putting out there um and hopefully will'll be picked up more and more but it's this uh uh professor of botney from Cambridge University and he talks about all these defense chemicals and and things that you know plants being the dominant species like 99% of of uh of life on Earth is are plants and um and so they can't be harmless because they can't be defenseless because they're under constant assault by animals and insects so how do they defend themselves and so he goes through all the different sorts of chemical and physical defenses they have and some of those being you know like they they make latex you start chewing all the stuff it it's like an adhesive and sticks your jaw shut when animal starts eating this Leaf it gets it mouth will get glued shut with a latex and it won't be a this mouth it die of starvation so it just it will physically stop you from eating it glue your mouth shut and that's it you got one leaf and you're done and and then um uh you know different sorts of chemicals you know the most poisonous thing on earth is ryen which is a lectin protein that is made from Castor beans and so you eat that you know one um microgram per kilogram is enough to kill any animal you know is the most toxic substance that we know of so you know and then there's other things we use medically like you know digitalis and Fox Glove well you get you know 50 micrograms you know uh off on the dose of digitalis and you're going to kill yourself right and so that's in the plant you're eating that it's going to it's going to stop your heart you know this this is this is designed uh to stop animals from eating it and so the idea that we're in the Garden of Eden and these plants want you to eat them uh is is of course silly I mean this is this is a life form that wants to survive and it wants to procreate it does not want to be eaten or destroyed and so you know understanding that most of these plants will kill you and then thinking oh but you should just eat plants and that's the best thing for you I mean that's a of a stretch and uh and people just aren't they just they're just not respecting plants as well as they should how serious is it exactly like when you eat plants like what is happening inside your gut your gut lining like how serious is this when the plants defend themselves what is it doing to the Linings of your gut well it depends it depends on on on what you're eating but there are a lot of these lectins that are quite harmful sometimes you wouldn't necessarily absorb them but they can they can bind to uh carbohydrate molecules on the surface of your cells and bind them and damage them and Destroy them or destroy that cell and they can cause like leaky guts so they can they can break apart the tight tight junctions between your anas sites and so that that opens up so now there's like physical gaps between the cells and and molecules that are below a certain size can fit through there bacteria can fit through there bacteria quite small and they can start getting into your your systemic circulation which is harmful and then you start making antibodies towards them your body have to amount of response to these things and um you know in the genetically susceptible you can actually get a cross reaction with these antibodies and your own body this is this is thought to be where autoimmune issues come from and um some people thought that well maybe you got a a viral infection your body mounts a response to that and then it sensitizes to these antibodies towards your own body and then your body starts attacking that because you know the the the it was thought that the virus was gone at that point so you bu can't be still attacking this infection so it must have sensitized itself to your body but that doesn't actually explain the The observed phenomena because when you stop eating you know plants and carbs and sugar and things like that those antibodies start to go down and so it isn't more likely that this is something like these lectin and like these bacteria that are getting through the leaky gut that your body's mounting in response to and there's just an overflow effect and your antibodies are now attacking your own cell that's another thing too is uh you know I've taken uh um post-graduate level Immunology um not something that's necessarily taught even in medical school um but uh you know your immune cells and your bone marrow and your thymus get primed and introduced to all the different sorts of cells and antigens in your body and if any of these cells react to them they get killed so anything released into your system as an immune cell as a mature immune cell has already been tested against everything in your body and it won't react to them so it it was always a bit confusing to me how this could then be sensitized to your own body I mean it's you know possible but it was always just a bit like that's weird because most of these things if they reacted at all if they had the ability to react to to our our body or any of your cells they they would just get wiped out so the idea with antibodies you can get sensitized to it and you sort of get more and more stronger associations with them based on that but it was always it was always a bit like H that's it that's interesting your body would allow yourself to do that and now we're seeing uh you know see more clearly where if you just remove these things you remove all the different plants and just go on like just a meat and water diet especially like you know grass-fed you know beef or whatever that these antibodies go down so we track these in Hashimoto and other sorts of diseases where you can you can measure the amount of um antibodies Auto antibodies and they go down you know we track these things and the antibodies are just coming down coming down coming down coming down and eventually your body just stops mounting this immune response um so other things can do you know do similar sort of damage they can directly damage your gut lining um and you know fiber can even cause damage fiber can cause microabrasions to your gut lining cause increased mucous secretion increased inflammatory reaction uh you ask anybody with crohn's or also of colitis what what fiber does to them it's not it's not good and um you know people with who are undergoing bowel surgery or have an infection like diverticulosis ticulitis dulosis uh an appendicitis that they're treating with antibiotics instead of surgery you know they get put on a low residue diet they say don't eat anything with fiber basically because you want to rest the bowel you want to give it a chance to to cover so what does that mean that means that that the fiber is is hard work for the bowel and you have to rest the bowel you have to give it you have to give it a break okay so if fiber was really good for your bowel wouldn't it be good for you then you know if it's if it's causing stress to your bowels causing stress to your gut that would be the only reason to to avoid it during these these times and so that that doesn't make sense to then say oh and when this is done eat a lot of fiber that that's what's really kind of help you like like where was this before you know so there's a ton of things that that get into your gut and damage your gut I think a big one is is causing the leaky gut and then getting all the stuff in your system then you're having systemic reactions to it um but there are plenty of other things that that happened before that so you have uh you know oxalates tannins uh fiic acid all these things that will bind different nutrients irreversibly we we don't have the enzymes to break them down so before they you you get a chance to even absorb these things these can bind to proteins and nutrients and make them completely inaccessible to our bodies and then the oxalates and T and things like that get into our system and they're binding nutrients in your system and then can cause a serious problem as well you get get like calcium oxalate stones in your in your kidneys that's not from excess calcium that's from oxalates binding your calcium and your body not being able to break that down it turns into a precipitate that's that's not because you have a problem with calcium that's because you have a problem with oxalates and you're not supposed to have oxalates oxalates are not supposed to really be in your body in any significant degree unless you're taking just tons and tons and tons of vitamin C which can then be turned converted into oxalates uh you really shouldn't have M much oxalates in your body but you can get them from from eating these plants and you can get you know these hormone disruptors things that act as estrogens in your body have estrogenic effects even Testo testosterone effects in your body but either way they disrupt your Natural Balance of testosterone and estrogen progesterone and things like that which causes a problem men need estrogen just like women need testosterone you get those things out of balance and you can have significant problems and then other things that that uh you know disrupt your digestion in so many other ways block proteas you know like proteas Inhibitors and things like that so even if you have bioavailable protein available like in meat if you're eating that in a sandwich with wheat or God forbid soy those all have Proteus Inhibitors so even this fully bioavailable protein that you get from meat is now Limited in in your digestion because it blocks the enzymes that are breaking it down so there's there's a ton of different things that they can do directly to damage your gut lining and impede your uh absorption of nutrients and then just by disrupting your body's ability to absorb nutrients and break down protein and fat and uh and sequestering off you know magnesium and calcium and and proteins by by irreversibly binding them with these other structures so there's there's so many different defenses that that plants have um that Professor from Cambridge you know said in that short film it was called um it was on Cambridge University's uh YouTube channel called Cambridge ideas and it was called don't eat the plants right just very straight straightforward he said that you know plants are the great chemists of the world and there's you know over a million or nearly a million different plant defense chemicals that they use to deter uh animals and insects and fungus from from eating them and attacking them so there's there's so many of these things and so he's saying this makes them the dominant species they really are they're the dominant organisms in the world and he said you so what do you do maybe maybe eat some fruit you can be a fruitarian but you know if you want to eat something you want to eat real food that actually has a full complement of nutrient doesn't have all these you know disgusting chemicals in them uh you know become a carnivore so this is this is the professor of boty you know someone who would know more about this than anybody uh Professor from Cambridge of all places and and he's saying you know back in 2011 you should become a carnivore you know because this stuff is toxic um I did want to say you know that on the matter of fruit fruit obviously fruits and berries and things like that that obviously is something part of the plant that the plant wants to be eaten and moved the seeds but most of those evolved with Birds um Birds to eat these berries and eat these seeds and and and move the fruit um so it does want something to eat the the fruit but not necessarily us you know and so there are you know still the majority of fruits and berries are actually still toxic to humans I mean there's um you know the cber bird is a good example of this they live up in the you know tropical regions of Australia and like Papa Guin I think and um they they're just fjor right so they only eat fruit and there's about 150 different sort of tropical fruits that they eat nothing else eats these fruits and they will kill you dead like these things are are deadly poisonous and the reason being is because they want the plant wants the Cass bird to eat them because those seeds germinate in the guts of the C bird so if that seed doesn't go through the gut of a CW bird it doesn't become a plant and so if if you or I eat that and then just toss the seed it won't it won't ever become a plant and so it has to defend that so it has to make sure that only Cleary bird is able to eat it or else that that baby's dead right and you know as um you know I'm sure as Dr saladino points out a lot you know like you know seed is a plant's baby you know and so that's that's going to have the highest amount of defenses available um for that and that's why most seeds are really really toxic but that also is why most fruit is toxic as well and you know even Tomatoes right that's a night shade and that's that's something that can be quite quite toxic as well the seeds are the worst so you know this is like the original pasta sauces they would Blan the Tomato put in boiling water take off the skin because that has a lot of the defense a lot of the barrier defense chemicals as well and then they would take out all the seeds and they would just use the pulp and it' be Vine ripen and and seen by different studies that when you Vine ripen tomatoes more of the saline and other toxins go out of it whereas if you box ripen it it just stays there right so it doesn't get get taken out and so they Vine ripen it and then take away the worst parts of the fruit so um it's still something to consider you know sweeter fruits seem to be less toxic right um because we recognized fructose as thought that we recognize fructose is as as very very sweet because it's something that's not as acutely poisonous to us so anything containing fructose won't like kill us on the spot won't kill us that day that we know of and so that's thought to be why fructose is more sweet because we recognize this hey this is safe to eat I can eat this I can survive I can until I get my my you know next meal and um but you know fructose itself is harmful I think and I think that's been you know clearly demonstrated by the work of Dr Robert lustig and others um and uh but also it it's not completely defenseless right you know if it's not if it's not ripe it's not Vine ripen tree ripened it's going to have more defense chemicals in there you know that's why there's a rock hard and sort of bitter and sour before it's ripe you know all different sorts of fruits and like a crab apple all these sorts of things and again all these fruits that we eat too are completely new we bred these things to be way way way more sweet than they were ever before and so you know we're more addictive to the they're more addicted to these things because we get an addictive response from from fruit TOS as well but you know all citrus for example have fan aerin which are quite toxic and we have to detoxify these things and those same enzymes in our liver that detoxify fanic cumerin uh can also detox or also metabolize different medications so this is why you can't take grapefruit or grape fruit juice uh with certain medications because they the same enzymes detoxifying the grapefruit are what's metabolizing those certain medications so while there's there's less toxins in sweet fruit there's you know not none and fructose itself can cause harm as well but other other fruits not sweet fruits aren't necessarily good for it I mean I don't think avocados are necessarily that offensive but U there are going to be some defense chemicals in there and then there are a lot of berries and a lot of fruits that will just kill you too so it's um it's h it really does depend on the fruit as well right and of course there's vitamins and nutrients like even in fruits in vegetables but the thing is like is the risk worth the reward how much of the nutrients are we getting versus how much is it actually harming our bodies most people understand that risk well well but that's the thing it's like these are living organisms right and so they're going to have different nutrients that are good for living living organisms and that's that's totally true uh but they you're right they cherry pick and they just say hey look it has this vitamin has this thing that makes it a superfood has vitamin C in it like nothing else has vitamin C in it must be a superfood and so uh forgetting to mention that it also has a bunch of Defense chemicals and toxins and sugar that make it not good for you and so you have to look at it in the whole picture in the grand scheme of things okay this has these nutrients great what else does it have right how is it protecting those nut nutrients right because a cow is defending it with its horns and its Hooves and ability to run and smash you right and so that's how it defend its nutrients how's a plant defending its nutrients by being poisonous and having toxic chemicals in it that that can harm you and also they sequester their nutrients so this is where bioavailability comes in so different nutrients vitamins minerals proteins they're bound up in ways even glucose is bound up in fiber in ways that we cannot break down no vertebrate animal can break down fiber it's actually the bacteria and the guts of herbivores that break down the fiber eat the fiber first and then secrete fat and protein and that's what the cow and the gorilla absorb is fat and protein so we don't have the ability to do that with fiber so we have to eat the cow to get the fat and protein because that's that's what the animal kingdom runs on is fat and protein right there our filter another way that's it yeah yeah they they have the ability to do that we don't it's actually quite difficult to turn plant matter into to animal matter you know turn plant tissue into human tissue it's very difficult and you know all the you know say all the iron that's in spinach like right it's not you're not getting it much of it you know because it's bound up in ways that we don't have the enzymes to break down why is that because we're not designed to eat it if designed to eat it then we could naturally extract the nutrients right and there's a lot of different sorts of foods that we have to cook and detoxify by other sort of chemical processes you know soak them in lie and do all these sorts of things to make the nutrients more bioavailable and to uh make them less toxic right so what does that mean that means that we're not designed to eat them plain and simple because we do not have the inherent physiological Machinery to do all that for it we have to go through industrial processes to to extract these nutrients and to make them less toxic so by definition we're not supposed to eat these things you know who has an entire list page of of all the different toxins and plants uh and they talk about kidney beans beans are beans are a seed seeds are a plant's baby everything protects its baby more than anything and so there's tons and tons and tons of these lectins in in beans in particular like Castor beans they have ricing that is the most deadly poisonous thing on Earth but other other lectin can cause just as much harm they can still kill you um on the who's website they even say that uh five as little as five kidney beans has known to put people in the hospital and in fact yeah and so you have to cook these things you have to boil them soak them do all these things for a certain amount of time but if you undercook them they can actually be more toxic than if you just didn't cook them at all so you have to be careful so you go out Dente on kidney beans you're in trouble and so you know one person I was talking to said oh but you know but we don't eat you know kidney beans raw so that's that's a moot point it's like no no the point is that we should be able to eat kidney beans raw if we're supposed to eat them because we were not cooking things two million years ago you know we did not know about this we didn't just evolve knowing how to detoxify plants chemically we would have had to you know what what our ancestors millions of years ago were eating were what they could eat and extract nutrients from and the ones that were getting the more uh nutrient-dense Foods were the ones that survived right and so those happen to be the ones that were eating meat and um so you know you can't just just jump into this thing you know 5,000 years ago 200 years ago and say oh well we're eating this now and we're eating this in this way that's we're meant to eat that that's where no no we had to have been eating this 50,000 years ago 500,000 years ago a million years ago for us to be adapted to eat it and if we were doing that we would be adapted to eating it we would not have to cook it we would not have to uh you know do different chemical processes to extract the nutrients people say oh well you cook meat so there goes that theory you don't have to cook meat there's plenty of people that don't the Inuit don't uh and so you know you don't have to cook meat to extract the nutrients in fact you know a lot of people talk about how there's a lot of things that are more bioavailable and you actually denature things and and um take away some of the nutrients and you do you lose some of the nutrients when you cook meat and so this is why a lot of people are actually going to more of a raw carnivore diet and they they think that you know makes them feel a lot better I think we've been cooking meat for about 800,000 years so I think we're fully adapted to eating cooked meat um but it's that's neither here nor there the point is you can eat raw meat and get everything you need you can't do that with right and I've tried to eat raw meat and it's it's a little rough I don't know I don't know how far I'll go into that but I did try it especially the raw organs that's I don't know if you eat organs but I eat kidney hard and liver every single day and I tried that Raw that's rough like it was kind of late later in the day and I forgot to cook them I was like a shoot I just just need to get it in I don't feel like cooking it so I just took at my tupp where I ate it raw and like I I'd have a hard time doing that every single day and i' I've taken I've taken just a pound of ground beef open up the package put on my plate start forking it put in my mouth and it's pretty crazy but I I I could see adapting to it and if I was in a pinch I could do it here and there but it's it's not easy I don't know how some people do that I've done it um I think I think it's there's a big mental barrier well meeting raw is this you're going to get bacteria you're going to get sick I I did that with steak a few times actually and uh when I was when I first got down to Australia I was in an Airbnb and like the stove didn't work and I was like well this is so I had this I had this big slab of of ribeye I get a big ribeye loin I'm like what the hell am I going to do with this and so I just started cutting up a couple steaks off and I just cut it up into cubes salted them all sort of mix them around let them sit the salt soak in for like an afternoon and I just started just eating these cubes uh raw actually tasted great and especially with that bit of salt and letting it soak actually tasted really really good um I don't do that as a matter of course but you know sometimes I'll be know having like my steak sort of salted and drying in the in the fridge and I'll just be like hungry I'll come back I'm just like waiting for the pan to H heat up I'm just looking at this thing looking at this thing I'm like godamn that looks good I'm like okay screw it and I just take a bite out of it I'm like that actually tastes delicious I like eat half the steak just all like that but it's a bit more dried out b e to uh I think the flavor is a bit better more concentrated and um I don't really eat organs almost at all I think I've had liver probably three times in the last decade and uh but those times that I've had it um I try to rotten do the salting thing and let it sort of dry out a bit so it doesn't have that slimy texture after a couple days it's actually get get a little gummy and tacky actually has like after like 3 4 days if you cut it sort of thinner strips it gets the consistency of like gummy candy which I actually really like I like gummy candies not that I eaten them in a decade but like uh but that was uh nostalgic to me and I was just like oh that's it was like meat gummy candy I'm like this is actually amazing the best best liver I've ever had was that sort of raw and dried out for a couple days certainly better than any any uh cooked liver I've ever had um it tastes good but you know I had like a couple bites of that and I was like wow that tasted good have another bite another bite and I'm like pretty good with that I think that as far as organs go you shouldn't have to force yourself you know with with eating meat you know if it doesn't taste good that means your body doesn't want those nutrients you're getting a negative feedback and that you should be getting a positive feedback and and you will at first so I was getting a positive feedback for that liver at first and I sort of had one I'm like eh I'm not really enjoying that as much my body was just like we have enough of this and so and I think that um that's that's something to think about as well is that you know in the wild when we're hunting you're getting one animal with one set of organs right so you take down a buffalo it's got you know two years of of meat on it for you to eat it's got one liver it's got one and so you can eat these things and I I think they are great in that they are very nutrient dense but um are nutrient intense and and that can be the problem because you can get you can get too much of a good so it's kind of maybe too redundant you don't need them as much as we think I don't think you do I I don't think and and if you're eating like a mixed diet where you're G to be a bit more nutrient deficient organs are your best friend right but if you're if you're already eating a cornivore diet I think you get everything you need from muscle meat and fat this is what you know Inuits don't eat organs they they give those to their dog and um and so there's a lot of You Know Places do eat organs a lot of places that don't eat organs so I I don't think it's necessary to eat organs um and if you're coming from nutrition nutritionally deficient State then like yeah sure you know liver liver is a great idea um but I think you should keep always keep it in proportion of the animal right down in Buffalo you're G to have hundreds of pounds of muscle meat and fat to every one pound of liver you know probably treat that accordingly so you know having a bit of liver every day or every week is fine to an extent but it it it can get too much uh pretty quickly I think and and I think you run the risk of just getting things a little out of balance and um you know like there's you know the the Inuit don't eat organs because there's so much vitamin A in the livers of marine mammals Predators like seals and especially polar bear you can't eat polar bear liver Yeah well yeah you can die from the a in it so there's more vitamin A in liver obviously a cow is going to have much much less than seals or polar bear but if you're just eating just you know just a ton of of cow liver maybe you're not going to get like toxic do to the point that you're you're gonna die or something but it can it can become too much and it can throw you off and one of the things making a body work harder than it has to yeah and and and fat soluble vitamins are hard for your body to clear right it can actually take a very long time for your body to to to get rid of these things which you can have long lasting effects you know one of the things that a lot of people who do eat a lot of organs have run into these are the same guys who are saying well you're having thyroid problems you're having hormonal problems one of the problems with with hypervitaminosis a so too much vitamin A it actually suppresses your thyroid stimulating hormone so it can suppress your body's stimulus to secrete more thyroid hormone so your thyroid function is going to go down so that's one of the problems that they're seeing and and they're saying well is it probably because of long-term ketosis it's like is it though you know my thyroid is fine you know and I've I've been doing this quite a long time and and the other natural populations that don't eat any carbs they're just eating meat and fat you know they don't seem to have these these problems either you know so I think that there's something else there there's something more going on there than just than just being in in you know on a ketogenic diet for a long time you know because I mean we we're designed to be like that you know 66% of animals just eat meat they don't eat the combination of meat and carbs I mean literally I mean what animal on earth does that like it's just there there's none you know like and so you know it's um I don't think that that applies to us either and you look at these indigenous populations um they'll eat mixed diets because mostly because they're they've been you know taken off their own land they don't have the hunting grounds that they normally did they're put on like reservations and so they got to they got to do what they have to do to survive but if you look at how they live traditionally and what people were doing 50,000 years ago 500,000 years ago it was really just meat you know and you know what what fruit and and carbs and honey were available during the ice ages not much you know and so I don't think I don't think we need it you know we're fully adapted uh to just eat meat it's so Mor of the story it's like you can get literally every nutrient you need in stake and organs just have what's in the steak but more of them so we don't necessar yeah I think so and and you know look if you are ficient for whatever reason because I think meat is what we're supposed to eat but I mean the meat that we're eating now is not you know a wild you know bore you know years ago eating its own natural sort of food um you know or or you know uh you know cows and mammoths and things like that so you know in the soil is a bit more deplete because of you know monocrop agriculture you know just destroying the land and and uh you know getting rid of all the top soil and and nutrients out of the out of the ground but um you know so it's you know we're not drinking you know Creek Water and and all that sort of stuff and so you know it's not it's not perfect you know but is as close to you know what we were doing before uh as as we can sort of get realistically for most people but you know some people might metabolize things a little bit differently maybe some people are might have you know in something or other so maybe maybe a little more liver are good for them maybe a little more heart is good for them and so you know that's fine you know but I don't I don't think everyone needs I don't and I and I still think that you should stick with the proportionality of uh of of the organs with the fat so or with the body uh you know fat and muscle so you know if you're going to have liver you know having liver you know a bit of it once a week once every couple weeks you know that's fine and if you're having a bit of a deficiency maybe maybe increase that up a bit you know one thing that people talk about is like you know folate there isn't there's a lot of folate in not as much in skeletal muscle meat fat so it's like okay well maybe maybe have some more liver I don't have a folate deficiency I don't see folate deficiencies in my patients I've had hundreds of patients uh do a cornivore diet now we check their bloods folet have been fine I have I've met two people who have had sort of low full we on on a carnivore diet but they feel fine they don't have any symptoms it could be that well it is the fact the case that that these sorts of ranges are probably probably need to be readjusted and refactored for people on a carnivore diet however since we have those refigured readjusted numbers we should probably just you know get enough folate you know especially when you're talking about like a fertile women who who wants to have babies this can call neural tube defects um uh your baby having not enough folage so I think that's you know make sure that you have enough so for those people yeah have have maybe you need more liver you know and get that FID up um but my f is perfect and a lot of other people's f is perfect too so if you're in that category where you have a bit of a deficiency you know maybe maybe up up the liver a bit more up these organs a bit more that I think that's a great idea to do that but I it's necessary for everyone right what's crazy is that like so many people they eat a bunch of processed foods junk Foods eating a bunch of vegetables and the body is still able to survive and live it blows me away like how badly people treat their bodies and it still goes so obviously the body is very resilient it can handle a lot but how often realistically do you think we can handle and get away with it having plant foods like how often like maybe once a week like someone like you and me we're very carnivore adapted we've been doing this for a long time if you're like of perfect health like you and I are how often can we get away with adding some plant foods to our diet because a lot of people they see how we eat and they're just like there's no way I could do that there's no way I could stick to that I need more variety so for a person like that how often you think it would be okay for them to add some plants in their diet well it would depend on what they're eating and um and and I think the trick is as well is to eat as small amount as you can and to change it up because the different plants have different defense chemicals and different families of plants will have different classes of Defense chemicals and so we do have some ability to detoxify these things some better than others we don't have much ability to detoxify like oxalates for example you just have to excrete those and um and so there are other examples of that but you know the the problem is is that we' sure to eat the same things you know so people eat spinach spinach is good for me Kale's good for me all e just spinach and kale spinach and kale spinach and kale so you're getting a buildup of all the toxins that are in spinach and kale okay we'll eat a little bit of spinach and kale but that's what I eat is spinach and kale it's going to build up and you're going to have more of a problem from that buildup whereas if you have a little bit of spinach and kale then you maybe have some you know some lettuce or some carrots or some broccoli or whatever you switch it up and you change it change between families and classes of plants they're going to have different fence chemicals and you'll be able to sort of cycle through all these a bit back so I think that for me no plants are really worth it for me because I feel so much better without them and I I really like feeling optimal I like having Optimal Health so just having a bit of a different taste is not really worth it to me like salad like why I don't want salad you know I don't I've never wanted salad maybe salad with like a tasty fatty salad dressing that could be good you know but the salad itself I I don't want to just chew on leaves that's just never interested me the the detriments from that however subtle are not worth it to me because I do notice a difference and I do like how I feel all the time without that so for people who aren't quite there yet you have to meet people where they are and they just look like I I just can't go full Bard into that maybe I could start eating more meat or whatever um what could I what do I should I really avoid I usually tell them okay well first of all just focus on like meat and eggs and just make that the main part of your meal and then get rid of alcohol carbohydrates and sugar and sweeteners of all description those are the main ones to get rid of and then get rid of all night shades so like tomatoes eggplants Peppers all capsicums all Peppers get rid of all those things get get rid of seeds and nuts and beans and and those sorts of things and then what's left over just vary it you know just it up and just don't have the same thing every single day and if you do that you'll mitigate the damage being caused by these plants significantly and you'll be providing yourself with a lot of the essential nutrients that you need that are going to keep you very very healthy so I think in if you can't go all the way like you and I have that's that's a good place to start I agree this is something that comes up a lot when I'm talking to a lot of males and I have a lot of arguments with this a lot of males because of their poor diet because of their poor lifestyle choices because all that like household products and chemicals that they're around that they're not aware of their testosterone gets super low and then the doctor puts them on testosterone replacement therapy and a lot of these dudes think like once they are on that testosterone replacement therapy they're going to be on the rest of their life and that's what doctors tell them that they going to be having to have it for the rest of their life and I'm telling people I have had clients personally that I have worked with them I have got them on a nose to tail con of our diet and they were able to get off their trt within months and never have to go on it again ever again and people think I'm crazy and like where's the proof like show me the numbers there's no way that's possible but I've seen it multiple times over and over I had one client he went from 195 testosterone to about 860 something within about eight or nine weeks and that does sound absolutely crazy in Bonkers and it doesn't sound believable but it it happened and I I have been seeing this over and over again so is that in fact maybe maybe not for everyone is true but do you think for a majority of men do you think that's true that they do not have to be on teer tier for the rest of Life they can correct it with a correct carnivore diet oh oh 100% yeah and and so you know I work in in metabolic health and functional medicine and uh you know we do a hormone replacement therapy for some people in certain circumstances um you know like you know menopause you know going through uh you know and going on HRT some people patients on trt as well um and uh but very select you know it's it's very select uh short of patient sampling that that we would do that for and I always want them to go on a cornivore diet first so if there's somethingone I can I can get on a carnivore diet and do that uh we I would generally see uh them increase a very very and this is not even averages this is just very typical Baseline uh will will increase their testosterone by 30 to 40% minimum within for sort of two to three months and then examples like like yours were like increased by sixfold I've seen that I I saw a guy um he uh he was in his 60s and he went from from you know nearly very low testosterone level um as your gentleman uh had and it went up to basically testost testosterone levels of what you'd see in a healthy viral 25y old right and this dude's in the 60s just feel amazing I just have all this energy like all I want to do is is lift weights and you know have sex with my wife like I'm just like a teenager again it was it was very funny he was so happy you know he's just I just feel amazing this is awesome and um you know so it's uh you you see very dramatic results with that and you had patients that when I came into this practice they'd been on testosterone replacement for years and years and years and years and years you get them on Carnivore diet I've absolutely had patients able to come off of their trt the thing is thing is that trt on on trt doesn't stop your ability to to make testosterone later there can be a lag effect like you know if like like you know bodybuilder doing like a cycle of steroids or something like that you may have to take you know different sorts of medications to to get their you know testicals working again and creating testosterone and stimulating them again but with or without that your body will start making it again and in fact it's it's actually more likely that you you've given your that organ a chance to rest and is actually more capable of of making testosterone afterwards again you know think of it as as like your your pancreas you're making all this insulin you're making more and more insulin more and more insulin and you sort of get burnt out for making so much insulin and and type two diabetics can become insulin dependent but when you go on a ketogenic diet or a carnivore diet you start making much less insulin and your body starts healing and repairing and and actually when if you start eating carbohydrates again first there's a bit of a lag period because you know it's not used to making as much insulin and so it doesn't pre-make insulin doesn't preload insulin to get that hit but after a couple days it will start doing that again and in fact then you're more insulin sensitive and you have a better insulin response and so your body's actually better able to produce and use insulin at that point because you've rested it right and so the same thing can be true of testosterone production in men as well and so um getting somebody on a proper hormonal diet which is you know part of part of the whole program um can get them producing their own testosterone much more and can get them off trt and then once they're off trt their their body can start making a lot more testosterone as well so um it's not I don't think at at all that it's um you know the end of the road that you just you go on trt and that's it for the rest of your life well you know it's probably the case for people that you know they they got to that point where their testosterone's going down down down and if they don't change their ways they don't change what they're doing they're not going to change their results right you do the same thing you're going to get the same results and so if they just continue doing what they're doing yeah they they probably can never come off trt if they want certain levels of testosterone however if they radically change their their diet and lifestyle that that will significantly affect their testosterone and so that's different you change uh what you're doing you'll change your outcomes as well and and that's certainly what I've seen in practice as well and do you think like there's still are outliers of men that no matter what even though they're doing a clean conver diet they still will have to be on testosterone placement therapy the rest of their life do you think there still are those guys I mean you can you can be damaged I mean you can you can permanently D I mean there are people that just have accidents and you know they have trt because they've they've damaged that organ um or you know you have a pituitary tumor and you damage your p and you have to be on those hormones rest of your life as well um outside of that not many you know not many examples um you know you get to a certain age you're you're you're just you're not 25 anymore you know not going to be making hormones to the extent that you were as a healthy 25y old but you'll be making a lot more than you would have otherwise and I think that I mean there's always exception to any Rule and I'm sure there's examples out there where they go on a perfect carnivore diet and their testosterone doesn't change but I be I'd be I'd want to see them I'd want to log it you know because it'd be very very outside the norm and um I would be very skeptical that they're actually doing it perfectly right I I do think that because there's so many factors that go into this that that all all improve on a cornivore diet you just you have more cherol you can make more testosterone you're not having carbohydrates and Insulin block you know the conversion and balance of of your testosterone your estrogen you're not having all these phytoestrogens and hormone disruptors from Plants disrupting your your your biological um uh production and utilization of uh testosterone estrogen you have more Carnage from eating meat and red meat so you'll have more testosterone receptors you have more of a testosterone response with the same amount of testosterone and uh you know the list goes on I mean there's so many different effects I mean the idea that someone who has working testes not having a benefit from this is very unlikely this is the problem is too many guys think they are that exception or they think they are that outlier they're just too stubborn to actually change their diet and do it consistently for a long period of time that's all that's going on yeah well I mean that's the thing is that like you know how do you how do you know you know unless you try it you know the proof of the pudding is in the eating right so you have to eat it and try it see it and so you know going for a month going for two months three months I mean that of things in the course of your entire life like I mean how what is that that's nothing you know I mean I blinked and this year was over you know it's like three months is nothing especially if it's something that can such so dramatically improve your health and and how you feel and so I think just try it you know I mean even after a month you're going to feel so much better you know and um and then you sort of keep going it keep doing it and then you check your your hormones after you know six weeks eight weeks three months it they will be better you know you will have Improvement and and all your other parameters will improve as well uh from what I've seen and um you know aren't really any exceptions to that that I've seen personally and then for the people that think like I mean are we running off of fat as our fuel or running off of carbohydrates glucose as our fuel um I want to clarify that we are running off of fat as fuel all the time and we do have that temporary insulin Spike blood sugar Spike and then it go goes back down so how how can you make it super simple for people to understand that we are running off of fat as fuel all the time we just have those moment moments yeah well I mean fat is our gas tank right so you that that's where you store energy to use later right so glycogen is is is a very poor very poor man's fat so you can carbo load and do all that and store all this glycogen in your liver but there's a limit to that and after a couple hours of of heavy intensive exercise you'll run out of that glycogen you'll hit the wall and you'll you'll you know crash out but that's only if your insulin is up and you're not able to uh access your fat stores because insulin blocks lipolysis so it blocks a breakdown of your fat to then turn into energy to go through glucano Genesis to turn into uh carbohydrates and glucose and anden so it's only when you're eating carbohydrates and your insulin goes up that you lose the ability to access your gas tank so it's like filling up your car and then sticking a plug in between the gas tank and your engine and just saying oh no I'm just going to pour in gas as I go this is this is just a must that's only if I get lost in woods and and and I just I can't eat for three weeks that's what that's for and that's what's taught in biology that's what taught in Biochemistry that you know this is when you get lost out in the desert and you're in a famine then you can run on your fat stores but otherwise you just run on on glucose that's that's uh insane I mean the only reason we say that is because by the time we're able to look at our biochemistry uh to a molecular State everyone was eating carbohydrates so we thought oh this is this is what it looks like when you eat and this is when you're when you're starved and you're not eating after 24 hours this is what it looks like failing to recognize that when you eat anything at all except carbohydrates it also looks like you're so-called fasting so when I eat 5,000 calories in ribey I'm not fasting I'm clearly not fasting that's so that's not a fasting metabolism it can't be right that is that's I think our primary metabolic State that's a primary metabolic state of nearly all animals in the wild because they're all running on fat and protein right Cows as well as as lions and so we're the same way and we even have studies with Wolves back in 1981 because they were saying well you need to eat carbs to burn carbs right and so do you you know and and wolves don't carbo low before they chase Caribou for 10 hours you know do they have blood sugar do they have glycogen I found out yes they do and it's rock solid it doesn't change because they're constantly replenishing it no matter what they're doing it's just constantly constantly replenishing it from their fat stores and so you know it doesn't matter how slim you are unless you're completely emaciated and and on the verge of dying from starvation you will have days if not weeks of uh fat stores available to you know to run and to U compete in any sort of athletic Endeavor for you know as long as you want you know because you'll have two hours of glycogen even if you carboo but you'll literally have weeks of fat available so as far as an athlete's concerned that's what you want you want to be running on your fat because there have been studies with uh uh from from Professor Tim noes looking and showing that people in a ketogenic state or a carb driven State you actually get the same athletic output you can still push yourself and drive yourself and do all the same sorts of things right except that the guys that are keto adapted that are just running on their fat because they don't have this insulin Spike they can just keep going they never hit the wall they just keep going going going whereas the guys on the guys and girls on um uh carbohydrate ins High insulin sort of State they'll run out they'll run out of their glycogen they'll hit the wall and they'll have to stop you know so it there's a massive massive advantage to not eating carbohydrates for an athletic uh purposes and then I've heard some people say that running off a fat as fuel engaging those ketones in your blood that's like a they say like that's the last resort of your body getting that fuel source through ketones versus just having carbohydrates and just having that instant insulin all the time and people they they do say that running off of ketones is that last resort and it's not good for you it's better for you to be running off that quick insulin so how is that not true why I how is it true I mean what what's their basis for saying that you know I don't know well it's a it's it's just a it's just a a guess is what is what they're doing but they're assuming a fact that's not in evidence they're say well since you know our body wants to run on glucose and ketones are Last Resort well who says that it is that's not necessarily the case that's probably derived from the idea that you know in a Fed State you're running on on glucose and then if you don't eat for 24 hours you go into this state where you're you're running on ketones but you're not running on ketones you're running on ketones blood sugar liver glycogen muscle glycogen you're making all of these things and you can you can mobilize and restore these things all the time your blood sugar stays here doesn't it doesn't go down right it doesn't go up either it just stays here and so does your glycogen level so even if you're you're working you're going you're going you're going You're Going Your glycogen stays here because you're constantly replenishing it so you're using it and replenishing it at the same time from your fat stores so you know people are just saying oh well you you you want to run on glucose that's what you normally run on because they're saying this is your fed state so that's your normal State that's your body Wants To Do Wrong your body doesn't want to do that your body preferentially uh you know runs on combination of of of energy that that they Supply from their fat stores and this is what animals in the wild do this is what we as long as we're not eating carbohydrates so that's why I think that that's not our primary metabolic state where I think that the so-called fasting state is our primary metabolic State that's where all of our heavy machinery comes to Bear people saying well we we want to run on glucose and glycogen it's like okay you make glucose and glycogen you don't run out of this stuff that's that's the thing that people don't get when you eat carbohydrates you will run out of carbohydrates because you're not able to replenish them when you don't eat carbohydrates you have unlimited carbohydrates because you make carbohydrates constantly but you also have ketones which is actually your brain's preferred uh energy source and your heart's preferred energy source your brain will always run on ketones no matter what you do there's always some ketones available it will always run on some ketones I learned that 23 years ago in Biochemistry and then when you switch over to so-called fasting State it's almost exclusively running on ketones there are certain areas of your brain that still will have a bit of glucose use but the vast majority will predominantly run on ketones but it's not just being in a ketogenic State it's just when your ketones are above a certain threshold when you have enough ketones to run your brain doesn't matter how high your glucose is your brain will shut that out and just run on the ketones okay so that means it prefers ketones because there are more abundant glucose but when there's enough ketones it only runs on ketones it will always run on ketones whatever ketones are available it will run on ketones and it will fill in the gaps with glucose as soon as there's enough ketones it doesn't use any glucose so that means that it prefers ketones and it does and your brains are also made out of ketones ketones cross the brain barrier and reconstitute into fatty acids which then build the physical structures of your brain as well as fueling them and giving the energy supply for them gotcha so for people like women for example women their hormones are a lot more complicated than men and when a woman has been doing the carnivore diet pretty correctly for over a year or two and they're still not losing weight what do you think's going on there and how do you Rectify that and allow them to lose weight because I mean your body doesn't want to lose weight fat because fat is our fuel source we hold on to it for survival and we always have ancestrally so like how do you I guess how do you fix that like what's going on what is not allowing their body to lose weight even though they've been trying for so long yeah you have to you have to to sort of um dig a Little Deeper at that point you know because some people will say yeah I'm doing a carnivore diet I'm just eating meat all these sorts of things but then you're like digging okay what exactly are you eating oh just just meat and water okay so you're using any seasonings or spices well you know I drink coffee I use Muk fruit sweetener some Stevia and do it's like okay so right there there's more things going on there right so a lot of people when they when they have difficulty with weight loss specifically with weight loss they're almost always using some sort of sweetener almost always and um and something like Stevia or monk fruit sweetener some sort of artificial sweetener that's not a good idea that can that can actually trigger insulin insulin that goes up that you think about it in layman's terms that puts you into a fat storage metabolism as opposed to a fat burning and mobilizing metabolism and so any sort of artificial sweetener can do that uh there are studies showing that there are other studies showing that it doesn't have as much effect I see this happen in in real life and so that's sort of where you know my I'm favoring uh you know the the data on that because you know that's that is what what it shows and what I see so in any case most of these people will be doing something that's not just meat and water um and so almost always it's like monk fruit sweet and I talked to people they oh revers my autoimmune issues I have so much better health I'm off my medications but I wasn't losing weight I'm just I guess you know just carnivore just doesn't work for me me I'm just one of those people no no carnivore works for everyone because we are carnivores biologically there aren't like some people are carnivores and some aren't carnivores that's not how biology works if one person is a carnivore and another person is a is an herbivore or an omnivore you're two you're talking about two different species and we're not two different species that can't be the case so you know we do have an optimal diet I I argue that that's a carnival diet but it is something there is something that's Universal to everyone to be the best thing biologically for species just like there's something that's biologically most appropriate for a lion or a giraffe or a zebra right something is optimal for all members of that species or else they're not of the same species that is that is a hard Rule and lawy and so people generally you know so they're saying there's like i' I've reversed all these diseases all these issues have come off this medication but I didn't lose weight therefore it didn't work for me to me that sounds like a resounding succcess you had an amazing so you you came off all these medications you reverse diseases that that that as of two years ago all doctors on Earth would say that's not possible you cannot reverse those things they don't go away you know and so I think that's that's an amazing success that these people have had as far as losing weight some people get stuck on the scale not realizing that you can lose fat and put on muscle and increase bone density and not lose weight and in fact you might weight you know so it's about body composition rather than just weight also there are people that have really screwed up their hormones and uh especially things like leptin leptin is a satiety signal it's secreted from your fat tissue goes to your brain tells you that you don't need to eat anymore we have a lot of energy we're satiated or satiated we just stop and um people can get leap in insensitivity and they can get very high leptin levels and their body is just not able to recognize it as well and so it can take time it can take months it can take years for that to come down and to normalize and their bodies to actually recognize these signals better and to and to to then get into a state where they can you know start losing weight um you know it is it is said amongst bariatric uh medicine doctors bariatric surgeons your weight loss doctors and surgeons that if your leptin is above 100 it's normally between like six and8 that's where it's supposed to be and um if it's above 100 you will not be able to lose weight with Di and starving you will not lose weight you will have to get surgery uh and yet I've seen people with leptins of 200 go on a carnivore diet and have that start coming down and start losing weight you know so it can happen um you just need to do the right thing there are people like Kelly Hogan who uh you know for six months didn't didn't lose weight in fact gained weight and she was just like you know people saying was probably bone density muscle she's like I don't know I'm pretty sure I was I was putting on fat but her health issues were so much better she was just like well look I I feel better than I ever have I'm just going to trust the process and just see how it goes after about six months and things healed up and her hormones got into a state where they were satisfied with what was going on and her metabolism started to rise and she started losing weight another thing is too is that people have after years and years and years of starvation diets and eating horrible things and having a very unhealthy relationship with food they can completely box their metabolism so their hormones are are completely you know mated and their and their metabolism is suppressed significantly so it can take a long time to undo that you know the there's a show I've mentioned this before but there's a show The Biggest Loser years ago where they had these people uh get these professional you know celebrity trainers and they're just working at the gym all the time just eating you know just some some rabbit pellets and and just dist starving themselves basically and they lost weight and so had these people lose lose weight but they check their metabolism their metabolic rate was was just almost non-existent they had they had completely suppressed their metabolism because when you're starving you're telling your body you're starving and you have a famine and you're don't you don't have eat because no animal doesn't eat if it has access to food they don't just go be like you know what I'm just not GNA eat this week you know like they have access to food they eat it if they're hungry they eat it and so that's giving your body a signal that you don't have access to food that you're in a fan so it goes right we need to conserve energy we need to slow down the metabolism we need to store fat we're not going to release this and so the biggest losers they lost fat because they just starved themselves and their metabolism shot as a result of it that wasn't healthy way to lose weight six years after that show they checked their metabolism again it had not recovered in those now you know presumably some of those people had had continued on with the same sort of diet lifestyle that they've learned in but um you know I I don't know that every all of them did uh in any case that's you know when you go back you start eating anything else besides that really restrictive way of eating you know because your metabolism so low and it wants to store fat because it thinks you're you're on the verge of death you know you're gonna you're just gonna slam on fat so people that have come from that sort of background with a lot of restrictive eating have really damaged their body and Metabolism they're just they're just going to take a bit longer than other people uh to to get their body into a state that it trusts they're not in a famine and to start increasing the metabolism metabolic rate then start using more of the fat tissue but I think that that's a big problem that people have because they still restrict they still try to fast and restrict on a cornivore diet and they're still triggering that suppression of their metabolism whereas seemingly paradoxically when they actually eat until they're satiated and satisfied that signals the body that hey we don't need to sequester all this we can increase metabolism and they actually lose weight so you know I was trying to you know lose weight when I got back from Bangladesh doing humanitarian work there and I was trying to get back into shape for rugby and so I was eating Bally rabid food you know just I was not eating carbs or was on ketogenic diet sort of thing but I wasn't doing keto I just wasn't eating carbs and I was just eating like a lot of vegetables like a lot of greens um you so spinach kale and broccoli and then just a little bit of meat and with not much fat on it and so I wasn't eating much calories and I wasn't losing weight and I was not feeling great and my weight was fluctuating with amount of water weight and things like that and I then said like no actually humans are cornes that's the kind of animal we are we need to I just get rid of all this stuff you know and uh and just eat meat I just started eating a lot more meat and started eating a lot a lot more meat than I was eating before a lot of fatty meat I just stopped eating a vegetable and I lost 23 pounds in 10 days just dropped off me right but then after that you eating more calories right I I probably quintupled the amount of calories I was eating and all of a sudden my body like yep we're good now you know weight started just dropped off me after that I stayed the exact same weight but my body composition just transformed so like I was just stacking on muscle and shredding fat but I stayed the exact same weight and because I was I was losing a lot of fat but I was increasing my muscle mass and my bone density and so it offset and so people need to recognize that as well that it's not about losing weight it's about losing fat and gaining muscle and gaining bone density what we're trying to achieve here so there's a lot of carnivore groups long-term carnivore groups like 15 20 year carnivores that are running these things and the groups been around for nearly that long you know they always talk about we don't want to talk about scale success we want to talk about oh hey I lost weight I this that's not the goal goal is Health goal isos not everyone's going to lose all the weight that they want not everyone's going to lose all the body fat that they want especially as we get older um we just have we're less elastic you know we we've been damaging ourselves for a lot longer so if someone comes to this in their 70s you know they may not get to the point that they would have if they started in their 30s you know because it's just they damaged themselves for a lot longer you know so one way to look at it uh that that someone sort of the analogy that someone said um that I liked was you know there's no shortcuts right you know you spent years and years and years getting into the state that you are now it's going to take time to get out of it you walk 10 miles in the woods you got to walk 10 miles back you know there's no shortcuts you know and so it doesn't go as long you know if you've been eating poorly for 50 years it's not going to take 50 years to get out of that um but it can take it can take uh you know a couple years you can take a few years depending on where you are and so I think people need to look examine exactly what they're eating make sure they're not eating anything except meat and water absolutely no sweeteners whatsoever even spices and dairy uh can cause that's another one too A lot of people have that have problems with stalls in their weight they just they're just eating just a load of dairy and some reason that just that causes a problem for some people especially milk you know because it has carbohydrates in it and so just getting down to just Bare Bones meat and water and then giving your body time you know because and then getting a composition body composition scan because you talk to all people I'm just not losing weight I'm not losing weight how are you clothes fitting well actually they are fitting looser and I've had to like buy a new belt what are you complaining about you know but people get so fixated on on the scale and I think that's that's that can be a distraction right so fasting do you think because this is something I have a lot of my clients do is long-term fasting and they're doing carnivore do you think that's harming them more than it's doing good because I'm talking like one 48 hour fast week a 72 hour fast a week maybe a 96 to 120 hour fast a week sometimes a 124h hour dry fast in the beginning of the week and then another 24-hour drive fast at the end of the week do you think that is harming people or is it helping people lose weight quicker um I don't I think it depends on individuals you know if someone has had a you know unhealthy relationship with food and has eaten a lot more than they really have needed to for a long time that you know fasting can can reset what their their relationship with food right understanding you don't have to eat three times a day four times a day five times a day in fact you don't actually have to eat every day it's okay you'll be all right and you'll feel okay and maybe you'll want to eat but it's just like but hey after a few days like actually this is this is okay I think that that's that that's pretty helpful um but I think from a from a health and weight loss standpoint yeah maybe you'll lose weight faster by by fasting more often um but I think you run you do run the risk of slowing down your metabolism and I think that that a lot of people most people will just be able to eat intuitively and be able to just lose a lot of weight and do it in a in a healthy fashion there may be that those people like the you know the woman you sort of had in your example hasn't really been losing weight let's say she was doing everything sort of perfect actually just eating meat and water and she was like in a Kelly Hogan sort of situation where her body just just wasn't was just holding on to that fat and just not not letting go um and there wasn't like a body composition thing just one thing was replacing the other you know it might be that that you know you could try something else I mean you you can go and just let your body heal and eventually things usually do come out the other end um I don't know of any studies or any sort of data one way or the other to show that fasting would accelerate that but if you're in a stall and you're you're not getting the results that you necessarily want or maybe it's been going on for months and months and months and you just hit a plateau I think it's I think it's perfectly reasonable to try and change things up and try to change change things ground maybe adding in a day of fasting a couple days of fasting and just see what it does to your body and if that helps then you know you can go on with that there you know Jake wish loves fasting you know he's big proponent of that and um you know there can be advantages there I think that you know anytime you're restricting though you do run the risk of of slowing your metabolism and but you know I think people are very very capable of not eating every single day you know you know gangas con the Mongol Mongol Empire they routinely you know would would eat sort of you know once a week you know once or twice a week and they go like five days just you know Waring up and down uh you know the countryside and then you know would eat for five days and then on the fifth day they'd eat 10 pounds of horse meat and go do it again you know so I think we're fully capable of that and I don't think that there's anything wrong with that as long as the on your other side of that you're eating to to satiation right I don't think that you should combine fasting with restriced eating I don't think you no no no no I definitely have them eat all their protein and food dissociation for the day before the fast starts and then coming off the fast do it again so it's always that food that they would have normally eaten without fasting yeah I think I think that's that's that's fine to do and um in certain circumstances I don't think it's I don't think you always have to do it I always I usually just try to say just just eat until you're satisfied when you're hungry if you may not be hungry every day you know it may not be that you want to eat every day you don't have to um but when you eat you should you should eat until you're satisfied until meat stops tasting good um the other thing is too is that some people coming into this have had you know disordered eating and and when you start restricting and fasting and doing these sorts of things that can that can trigger those sorts of disordered eating whereas um it's better for them just be hey you can eat whenever you're hungry you can eat as much as you want that's very helpful for them especially people coming from from eating disorders U because you don't want to get them back down the track of of food is the enemy and you have to watch out for it food is good food is really good it keeps you alive and so that's how you should treat food is this this is a nutrient source that provides benefit to your life and that's it you know it shouldn't be your entertainment shouldn't be like you go out on the weekend to enjoy food like you should always enjoy your food but it's not that's not the purpose of eating the purpose of eating is is just giving yourself nutrition your body what it needs and so you know treating it like that I think is very important especially for people coming from uh Eating Disorders I agree so with um the runs so theun is an extremely normal thing when people initially go carnivore but I'm confused because I've personally experienced this like I've been carnivore for like three years now and I still get the Rens more often than it makes sense I should so what do you think is going on there um there's usually usually different things can happen um do you drink coffee or use any sweeteners or anything like that no no then almost certainly it's from eating just a a lot more fat than your body can absorb body has a specific ability to absorb that and and that's it right so you make bile and that bile can emulsify fat so it could be that when you get more fat adapted your body starts saying oh okay hey look we have more fat available I'll make some more bile to absorb this stuff and and you can do that and that's fine but when you run out of bile and eventually you will run out of bile you can't really absorb fat as well you can absorb some but it's a very small percentage the mo the majority of it goes out and I think that's what keeps stool soft is that that little excess fat um sits in there and keeps it soft so you don't need to be don't need fiber you don't need more and more and more water you want that to dry out in your colon what your Colon's for is to desiccate uh your your fees so that you cons serve water right but it's always going to stay soft as long as there's fat in it so if people get constipated dry hard stools obviously they're going to go much less because you're absorbing much more food you're not having to excrete as much waste but if it's dry and hard that's constipation and that I think is from not eating enough fat because if you eat enough fat that you have a little you absorb everything that your body wants and then some that little bit extra will will keep that soft so if you're constipated then by definition you're not eating enough fat because you're absorbing every ounce of fat that you're eating and your body will likely want more but if you're eating a lot more fat than your body can absorb it will just come out more loose ly right this is this is where the term you know as quick as fat through a goose comes in because like fat they don't have really much capacity to absorb enough a lot of fat so they eat a chunk of fat just just poop it out pretty quickly and so that happens with us as well so um if you're having loose stools like that it's most likely because you're just eating a lot more fat than your body can absorb it could be things like an infection or something that's irritating you if you go out and you eat something that maybe isn't optimal maybe has some seed oils or maybe has some spices maybe that can upset your stomach and that can increase the motility of your intestines and that can cause a bit of you know upset stomach and loose stools um but if everything else is is is fine you don't have an infection not have introducing anything non- carnivore uh then I would say that's that's almost certainly what's happening and then you just okay pull back a bit on the amount of fat that you're eating but it's not bad for you right it's not dangerous it's not causing an infection it's not causing it's just inconvenient you know and so when I get that I mean and sometimes that will happen it's just like oh okay I'm just you know I'll think back in the last few days I'm like yeah I've been having rib eyes with butter on them last four days that was a bit more than I needed and so maybe I don't have the butter for the next few days it just it just settles down wow I've been wondering that for so long and it was just such a simple answer that's awesome just too much fat Okay um well I mean I could keep talking forever and ever because I have so many questions but um if you have to go by all means up to you um I I probably do have to go because I have an appointment after this but uh we definitely do it again sometime and uh yeah it it was a pleasure man it was good to talk to you good to to finally meet you been talking online uh for a while now but that was great to finally get the chance to to chat and um where can people find you and uh find yourself yeah uh regenerative Life Fitness on Instagram um and on Tik Tok and then just tile L Marsh LinkedIn Tyler larsh on Facebook and then my website is regenerative lifefitness.com perfect and uh so thank you everyone uh for listening uh uh people can like And subscribe to to to all of our channels that would be great and um 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