Overcoming ADHD with the Carnivore Diet | Cristie Kiehl’s Journey

and I remember thinking it's just parenting if you just parent differently then you can parent it out of that I'm still learning it it's it's not necessarily about that it is a legitimate deficit that was in his brain chemistry and I'm not a doctor or a scientist but for sure going high fat his emotions are just kind of regulated and even if he like there's been maybe once in seven months we've had a conversation and he's gotten you can see he's like getting a little upset and I just said okay I could see this is like a little overwhelming for you let's just table it and we'll come back to it tomorrow and he didn't pitch a fit at me saying that he just okay you know and he kind of went in his room to like go and chill out and before that would have sent him right over the edge he would have thrown a thrown a fit because I said that he's able to regulate his emotions you can have a conversation with them you can work stuff out you can agree to things like in a calm and rational manner it's really made our house a more peaceful place to be instead of feeling like we're walking around on eggshells over here just trying not to do something that's going to make that anger come out welcome to the plantree MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone and welcome to another edition of the plant-free MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest Miss Christy Keel who is joining me today to talk about her health journey and her son Christy thank you so much for coming on it's a pleasure to see you yeah thank you so much for having me I'm absolutely excited to be here and tell especially my son's story because yeah it's been a pretty amazing journey for him yeah I bet so um can you tell us a bit about yourself and and your son and and what's been going on absolutely so just a little bit about myself I'm a teacher here in Southern California I teach fifth grade um and I bring that up because I've had tons of experience obviously working with kids and I've seen a lot of kids you know with ADHD and how that can impact them um but with my own son he's now 15 and we really we noticed a few things but it really came out when he was started preschool and he would have these meltdowns we're talking on the ground flipping out pitching a fit which I'm not there when he's at school but I'm just being told about these meltdowns and it was several times a week and it was always in the afternoon and they would have to pick him up and carry him like to the office because he just had lost his all of his control and one of the parents um the other parents happened to be an occupational therapist who worked with children um so we paid out of pocket and had him at that time fully assessed um with occupational therapist assessment tools and um sure enough it was a sensory integration processing disorder so a lot of um children with autism for example have that um but his disregulation was not in one or two senses it was in all five senses so basically this poor little guy being in preschool all day by the afternoon it made total sense why he was totally overwhelmed um his emotions were just he couldn't handle it the noises and everything and um yeah he would just lose lose it and so we proceeded to pay for occupational therapy sessions for him and didn't notice honestly that much of an improvement out of that um and then you know time time went on and he continued to have these meltdowns he started also having them at home um and you know then he went to kindergarten so like I said I'm I'm a teacher I teach fifth grade so I'm at the elementary school level and I'm like all right I got this I know what to do we're GNA get him all the things he needs through the school so he can start off with the supports right and so um we I I got him in through the spee through speech because you can't have occupational therapy at school unless you have an IEP which is an individualized education plan um and at the time of obviously kindergarten he is was not two years more more behind you know academically and so but we could get him in through speech because he was having some pragmatic difficulties and so prag atics means the way that you communicate with others for example kids with ADHD sometimes have a hard time taking turns or understanding when someone else is kind of bored with the conversation like they're just on their topic and the other person might be giving them all these clues that they they don't care but he would just full steam ahead um you know and so we got him in through that and so he had speech and occupational therapy at school um but the behavioral problems at school did not improve in fact um you know at that time you're sitting on the carpet a lot as a little kid so you know crisscross applesauce and your next to your neighbor and he would be all up in his neighbor's personal space and so we had to start giving him like you know he had to sit in the back corner of the carpet and things like that had to be written into his IEP for Behavioral supports because he just had a really hard time understanding what a personal bubble is and so it just kind of continued to where we needed to had more and more things and as the academics got more demanding um yeah up started with the task avoidance right so it got to the point where he wouldn't do if an adult asked him to do it he wasn't going to do it so even at home brush your teeth not happening take a shower not happening do this page of math write this word on your paper not happening right just he just wasn't going to do it and if you try to do any of the strategies or all the things you know that we are trained to do as teachers and what I need to do knew to do as a mom he just wasn't having it like he could see through all of that and I think maybe being a lawyer would be a good occupation for him because he could he would just argue right argue and sometimes he would win he's good at it right and so um you know the the things we tried at school just we just started implementing more and more things so we got the coun the school counselor involved she taught them some strategies some emotional regulation strategies um and even train the teachers and me the mom on how to try to get him to use them he had no interest in using them so I don't doubt that these things can help someone with ADHD if they're a willing participant but he just wasn't right he was very anti um and and also you know at this point we didn't have a diagnosis yet but I was starting to get some suspicions um so we upped his IEP to include a Behavior Support plan because he was uh sometimes the kid that would end up throwing a chair if you've heard of that happening in schools he would throw get so upset that he would throw a chair and the class would have to evacuate yeah so we're talking severe so you know I've told this story before and some people will say well maybe it wasn't a true diagnosis maybe he's doing better because he didn't really have this condition um and so I would just like to interject here and say I'm a teacher for 25 years I have seen over a hundred kids with ADHD and worked with them personally and I I won't say that he's the most severe case I might have seen one or two others more severe but he's up there um as far as the severity of his symptoms and how it was impacting his academics um his relationships with his peers and the family life at home was it was it was fragile all the time it was fragile right like walking on eggshells trying not to make him melt down and so it was around third grade where we did get him diagnosed um you know they use a questionnaire the teacher has to fill it out that we had a licensed family therapist um in charge of that because I wasn't going to do medication I was like that's the one thing I'm not going to do I know it's you know has serious side effects and not you know interested in that but let's get all the tools and so yeah it was it was a clear clear-cut diagnosis and then we started counseling outside of school so he was getting counseling in School counseling out of school I took him once a week to his counselor I think for about a year to try and work with him on modifying his behavior um because that was one of the main things he was so emotionally disregulated that you know anything would go wrong or he didn't want to do something or you know the the adult asked him to do something he didn't want to do and he would just go into whether he was at school or home major meltdown so yelling name calling hitting um throwing things you know all of that and he would do that at home even you know three times a week I would say he would get to that place um and so we expanded the IEP again to add some academics because he started getting behind you know in his writing especially um and some of that was because of the sensory stuff he had a hard time you know gripping the pencil and had to be worked on with his muscle strength and things like that um even to the point that he had some AIDS in the classroom I don't mean a teachers aid but some like support so he wore those headphones like the noise cancelling headphones you sometimes see some children wearing when they can't handle too much of the stimulus auditorally so he would do that especially if we were going to an assembly like he could not be in an assembly in the cafeteria because it was too loud and overwhelming for him um he would have frequent breaks he would um he would be the child designated in the class or if the teacher did or actually didn't even like when he was in my room in fifth grade I would send him on an errand with a folder like take this to so and so because he just needed to get up and and move um we had like kicky bands which are like a big rubber band you put around the seat and they can just kind of kick on that um and even uh rocking chairs he likes to rock even to this day you know he has a rocking chair in his room that's like comforting for him to have that um and nothing was nothing was helping um the task avoidance was always still there and the meltdowns which he had other symptoms but those were the two I think impacting him the most and then at home we tried so many strategies so that was what we did at school at home we tried things like cuz it'd be like let's get ready for school I kind of have to be on time I'm a teacher we need to get out the door and so it was like we tried all the things we would break the task up into chunks right so now it's time to eat breakfast eat breakfast that now it's we're g to go and put our clothes on now we're going to brush teeth so you can't just say get ready for school right we would chunk the task up nope at some point it it would all fall apart he didn't like to be told you know what to do so we tried um like a visual schedule okay you don't want us to tell you what to do so here's your schedule it's visual when you get these things done you can put a little check no he did not want that he did not want to do that um we tried you know reminding him and then he would get angry and say well if you're just bothering me so much and that's why I'm angry and that's why I'm not doing it because you're just bugging me okay so the next day all right I'm just going to leave you alone we need to leave by this time well I'm not ready on time because you didn't remind me so it was this cycle of it didn't matter what we tried what strategy we tried he was just going to argue and it wasn't rational necessarily I mean in that moment it was rational but if you come you know put it together like one day he's saying one thing and the next day he's saying the opposite um you know we tried the sticker charts when he was really little you know going into like money so if you complete these things you will earn this much money and then he would have like an item that he'd want to purchase and when he got enough money to get the item he you know then he could purchase the item and then of course there was con he had consequences so he had his stuff taken away uh all the stuff that parents do right and when he was little timeouts and all of that and I will say that one of the symptoms that can come along with ADHD is they don't learn from consequences so they can do something get a consequence for it and then do it again the next day like they don't there's no learning there of okay I did this thing this thing happened that I didn't like so I'm not going to do that thing again that that Loop never closes and so of of course we did our our due diligence as parents um but the consequences we never saw that make any kind of difference um in his behavior So eventually we did decide that we needed to try medicine and that was because he was heading towards high school he's still you know he's 12 13 years old he's still having meltdowns like he's two you know over get ready for school or over you're missing an assignment or you're missing 10 assignments you know he would he would lose it um if you told him more than once but if you told him once he he wouldn't do it but then if you told him more than once he'd get angry that you told him right and then it would never lead to anything getting done so we eventually went the medicine route but because of his sensory issues he had a hard time swallowing a pill um his his texture issues in his mouth were quite severe just as an example at one point we had this was all before uh the diet change we were very standard American diet um household we had gotten um some quesadillas so his quesadilla he liked just the tortilla and cheese nothing else no sauce no meat just tortilla and cheese which is how we ordered it and he's there just happily eating his food and then everything in his mouth just was all over the table and I was like what happened there's something in there he said there's something in there what's in there I'm thinking is it a bug like is it a hair is it a finger nail what's in there no it was a grain of rice it was a grain of rice and he could sense that and he didn't like that being in there and it all came out like he wasn't gonna swallow it he couldn't so his texture issues were were quite severe and so um so he couldn't swallow pills right he that was a a non we tried but he would hide them he would so that went on for a long time while I fought with the insurance company like this kid's not GNA swallow these pills what else can we do because there's a liquid and there's you know some things like that and they just refused to cover anything else um until he tried and then it was a list of like eight or nine I'm like those are all pills like I'm not GNA put my kid on eight or nine different medications that have serious side effects just so he can get a liquid version I just didn't I wasn't going to do it um but then eventually we did find out about one where it was in like a capsule and it was safe to open the capsules like a powder inside and you could mix that in with a drink or some food and so he took that for two or three months and in his words he saides it worked as advertised you know it made him feel more focused and like he could do things but he also felt like he wasn't in control of himself like he felt like he his brain was kind of still racing and he wanted to move because he has ADHD so he's moving like I said he had those kicky bands or he you know he likes to rock and he couldn't move and so it was very frustrating like he was trapped inside of his own head so he he absolutely hated it and I thought okay well we're getting off of that um and then comes H June of 2023 which is when I started the carnivore diet so actually I started keto in the February before that but when I started keto it was just to lose weight I didn't know anything about the health benefits of a proper human diet um but it didn't take long into keto before I discovered Dr Barry um I still didn't know about carnivore even though he was carnivore I just because he has so many videos that I was on his keto playlist right and I was just like watching all that and I was learning like oh my gosh there's all these benefits um and then gradually I just was I don't know lazy didn't want to eat broccoli and just stopped making it with my dinner because I didn't really like it and didn't want it and I it's kind kind of gross and I just wanted more ribey and so that's what I did and then I kind of went oh like carnivore that's a thing and so okay it's okay to do and Dr Barry's a carnivore and I discovered you and you know Dr Tony Hampton and all all the other people in the space um you know and I just gained so many benefits for myself um including I started exercising which I hadn't done like I was just like I got energy what am I gonna do I'm gonna Sprint I'm gonna start sprinting in the mornings right at 47 um and so I just started doing that going for walks uh just doing all this other stuff and my son um you know he's in and so when it was football season um I'm usually an early to bed early to rise kind of girl but I mean I was able to go to the games like I went to every football game I had energy he's not used to seeing me like that you know he's used to being like yeah Mom's in bed mom's too tired mom doesn't want to do stuff um and so I don't know if that I mean he just watched me he just saw me he saw me start the YouTube channel I'm very sure he heard me you know talking about it and I would always be if I wasn't making a video I was watching someone else's and so it was just kind of you know in the background of our house and um I noticed that at Thanksgiving that year um because my mom is keto she's like meat-based keto and so she made like a turkey and a pork roast and I brought Paka and we're like anybody that wants the other things you got to bring it yourself because this is what this is the meat that we're doing um and so and up until this time we had always brought food for him like other food because he wasn't going to eat that food and I'm like dude I'm not doing that anymore so you either eat what's at the party or you don't eat or you bring it yourself or you deal with it yourself but that we're not I'm not packing food for you and you know I it's I think it was it was just pure luck that nobody brought macaroni and cheese because that was one of his favorites and I think if there had been macaroni and cheese you know he would have he would have done that for sure um but yeah none of the sides were anything he wanted and so he tried that um pork shoulder because it was like in a Crock poot it was nice and you know soft and he liked it and I was like okay you know um and so he started kind of eating more meat but it wasn't until February of this year um I had start started hearing more about like Dr Georgia Eid and Dr Chris Palmer and you know the how a you know especially like a high fat type of ketogenic or carnivore diet can help people with you know mental health and I just thought well I know I feel better like I used to have anxiety and didn't even realize it until I went carnivore keto actually didn't help that for me I I lost the weight and stuff but it wasn't until I went carnivore that I was like I think I had anxiety and now I don't you know wow um and so I just thought you know maybe maybe but at this point you know he's 15 it's it's he's not two anymore and I can't just be like this is your food right he goes to Public School uh public school here is meals are free twice a day so you don't have to like I wouldn't have to put money in his account he could go and get that food likee substance from the school cafeteria for free you know anytime um and so I knew I needed buyin from him and I knew it was going to be tricky he really liked you know chips uh Pizza Pockets uh like the chicken nuggets from the freezer aisle with all the chemicals and breading and all that um he liked you know crackers ice cream right this very standard American mhm but I just said you know 30 days you think you might want to try you've seen me doing this I really like the food um you want to try it for 30 days and see how you feel like it can't hurt you know and yeah sure enough he agreed but he very I think wisely like he intuitively I think said but but the hardest thing to give up is gonna be my ice cream and I was like we can work something out like we will figure it out um I wasn't fully thinking necessarily that it would be carnivore he doesn't eat vegetables he's really never eaten vegetables but I I was thinking I know right not his not his thing um but but I I just was thinking you know a high fat keto mostly meat but you know if we have to put in some other things fine you know that was kind of where we started just to get them into ketosis right and see if that was going to help with these these symptoms hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia Stockman Stakes who are delivering high quality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed to your ad door something that I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver kidneys and beef art as well so use code chaffy today for free order of beef mints or another special gift along with your order at Stockman steaks.com Au and I'll see you over there thanks guys and so we started really with a lot of substitution type of things so like I said he liked the pizza pockets so I made him like I call them like ketovore pizza pockets it was like a slice of cheese pepperoni sausage one little scoop of marinara sauce and then another slice of cheese on top put them in the oven that was a hit um I made him like the carnivore pancakes with like the cream cheese and the beef isolate protein powder powder you know and some eggs cuz he liked pancakes I'm like we can do these pancakes and just put butter all over them you don't need any syrup these are great with just a bunch of butter that that was a hit right and so you know I made him chicken nuggets with just some ground chicken parmesan cheese you know pork rind crumbs that was a hit so we were finding these things you know that he would do and so it was really you know substitutions for the foods that he was used to eating and then I would like whip up some heavy cream and put a little sweetener in there and that would be his dessert kind of a thing and then I I eventually found this recipe it was like a keto recipe for some keto cookies and he would do that because he was used to having his dessert like every every day um within the first week all of a sudden here he comes out of his room and he's got I'm sitting out in the living room and he's coming out with bag like trash bag after trash bag after trash bag and I'm like what are you doing and he's like cleaning my room just nonchalant just I didn't tell him to clean it in fact I had stopped fighting that battle when he was eight or nine years old keep in mind he's 15 because it was a battle I wasn't going to win that battle so I stopped fighting there were times when I would go in there I would try to help him I would say let's just clean up the Legos let's just you know Chunk Up that task which is all the advice from the counselor nope he wasn't having any of it and he certainly didn't want to throw anything away he was like a pack rat a hoarder I dare say like he didn't no he would it he did not want to throw stuff out so his room was he had like a small path he could walk through the closet was full under the bed was full everything was in the middle of the room the top of his dresser was like a pile just falling over of like clothes um you know just like that and I just let mean as long as it stays in your room okay but I'm not going to fight this battle well he just came out with bag after bag I think it was like 16 or 17 bags kitchen siiz trash bags wow and they just said cleaning my room like like like that was just normal you know just I was like all right and he's piling up these bags by the back door and I said just take them out to the trash can outside you know when you're done I said that one time just take them outside then I went to bed the next morning they were all outside so normally to get them do anything it was like remember you got to take that remember the trash you got to remember remember can you do that and um it I told him one time and then hours later when he was done he he took him outside without me having to they were just gone they were just out there um without so he had told me I'm sorry and without a fight yeah without a fight this was all his idea this was all his idea and to get him to do anything you had to make him think that it was his idea like before this you had to sort of make him think that like this was his idea because if not you're gonna get a fight you're gonna get a meltdown you're gonna get an attitude you know it's not going to happen and so yeah then he said you know he worked on it for a long time he didn't like finish the project but he all the stuff he was going to keep he had organized into categories like when you have ADHD organizing is not always easy for you but he had organized it into categories and then the next day he was like yeah I'm just thinking about how I want to put all this stuff away um and then he found all of his he had like broken pieces of tech and he had found this Amazon gift card when he cleaned his room and he like cobbled together like a working um I don't know device computer with like a broken keyboard and a Chromebook that only half worked and you know just on his own he's like yeah I had this Amazon card so I did all of this so he just he did that and then one day he get his closet and now his room just looks like like my room's probably messier than his room at this point so he's gone through you know when it gets a little messy you know all all a sudden you'll just see him you know oh I'm just cleaning cleaning my room you know um puts his laundry away instead of throwing it in a pile you know most of the time so that was the first thing I noticed and it's not it's not about the clean room okay it's not it's about he did a task that is a task that he would normally have avoided that he would have thrown a fit over if I asked him to do it and he did it of his own like Free Will and volition and he stuck to it for a long time that's what the big deal was because he was never able to do that before um so if you ask him he'll say yeah just before it felt felt like there was this like wall blocking me from doing anything and it was too much energy to go through it so I would just sit down and watch YouTube or sit down and play a video game like if you ask him to describe it that's kind of what he says um he's been on time for school we used to fight every single day every single day he would make me late for work my principal fortunately is awesome and she's like you just get here it's fine you know um and and he would act like it was my fault M he's just on time for school like he just comes out to the car he knows what time the car is pulling out of the driveway and he's in his seat when he's supposed to be and one day he was three minutes late and he came out and he goes sorry I'm so late mom so it was like he he he would never apologize for anything ever so I'm getting a lot like when he realizes he's made a mistake he'll apologize that would never happen I'm getting a lot more thanks like thanks Mom I'll bring him breakfast eggs and sausage and with butter uh thanks Mom you know oh you're welcome um or I love you Mom I never used to hear any of those three things yeah now I hear them on a regular basis um so it's it's this night and day change that I you heard all the things like that was kind of a long story The interventions we tried but I want people to understand like I'm sort of trained in how to deal with these children because I'm a teacher you know I have an old older children older child excuse me he wasn't my first child so I had some parenting experience and we were just at our Wits End you know with these meltdowns so um he he has not looked back and I would say his diet now is a lot more he he will still do the pizza pockets but he is now he likes chuck roast he still likes that pork shoulder he likes paga he likes burger patties if we're at a restaurant he likes chicken thighs and he'll just have that a lot more like he doesn't do the like I haven't made a chicken nugget in months so not that that's bad but I'm just saying like we started off that way and now he's just like just give me the meat right don't don't have to make it fancy just meat with some butter and some salt um and he's a happy kid you know so yeah yeah well that's amazing and um so how long has he been been doing that now for so seven months because he's started in February yeah and I recently did a school update uh school um but maybe there's a light here I don't know he'll we just started a new school year and um you know even last year it did he didn't notice the difference he was already kind of behind the eightball with the you know pile of missing assignments um that he had he just really has a hard time just cranking out the assignments that are asked you know just this worksheet and that work sheet and study and this homework and write this paper and he just struggles with that to just keep on top of them and get them turned in um but I will say that he the other day he came out and he said Mom and I said what it was like 730 at night and and he said you you said you're good at algebra too right and I said well like 30 years ago oh what you got kid and he's like well I have a test tomorrow and I don't really know anything I'm supposed to know um before that he would have not said that to me so yes should he have talked to his teacher told her he was struggling should he have talked to me sooner probably like all of those things right but I went into his room and I worked on it with him for about an hour and a half and it was like a pleasant experience he didn't fight me he didn't get mad that I corrected him he didn't you know like oh well let's try you know oh remember this step is supposed to go like this he was like oh yeah yeah whatever let me try do you have another one I can try so I can make sure I got that for the test tomorrow I'm like who are you so I can't guarantee that his grades are going to be Stellar but just that and it you know just that experience we had with in the last week um so different from before which was you have 12 missing assignments why don't you do these three today and he would yeah yeah I know I already know you don't tell me I know and then go play video games right and just not do it that's what we used to get yeah yeah well I mean even then you know I mean just that that that effort level and understanding that he needs to do it and willingness to do it I mean that's already huge I'm sure his grades will be impacted by that I mean there's no there's no doubt in my mind that he will and just his his relationship with learning in school is going to be impacted significantly and so in future years it's just going to snowball and become better and better and better and as he improves from a a mental health point of view from a health point of view just from this diet all of that's going to get get better as well and he's going to be able to start you know developing the life skills that he needs to be successful and so I'm sure even I'm sure next year will be a huge Improvement and I'm sure the next year will be an improvement on top of that and and so on and so that's really exciting I'm I'm really glad to hear that that's that's really great to hear that he's doing so well yeah I was that person so being a teacher I had heard a long time ago like when I first started before I ever had kids I started teaching in 2000 that's how I can remember how long I've been doing it and it was like the early 2000s when it was kind of like you know how they they were saying oh don't that red dye is so bad it it's gonna like parents were kind of saying this you'd kind of hear it you know I wasn't a parent myself but I'd hear them and if it's it's if your kid has ADHD don't feed him that red dye and I remember thinking whatever like it's just you know it's just parenting if you just parent differently then you can parent it out of them oh my gosh it's probably because I had those thoughts that I um you know I'm find I got some I I'm learning I'm still learning it's it's not necessarily about that and um it is a legitimate deficit that was in his brain chemistry and I'm not a doctor or a scientist but for sure going high fat it's it's like it's just his emotions are just kind of regulated and even if he like there's been maybe once in seven months we've had a conversation and he's gotten you can see he's like getting a little upset and I just said okay I could see this is like a little overwhelming for you let's just table it and we'll come back to it tomorrow and he didn't pitch a fit at me saying that he just okay you know and he kind of went in his room to like go and chill out and before that would have sent him right over the edge he would have thrown a thrown a fit because I said that you know so I mean he's he's able to regulate his emotions you can have a conversation with them you can work stuff out you can agree to things like in a calm and rational manner it's it's really made our house a more peaceful place to be instead of feeling like we're walking around on eggshells over here just trying not to do something that's going to make that anger um come out yeah yeah it's funny about the red dye it's like red 40 or whatever it is that um that kids seem to have a big problem with adults too I'm sure and and we don't think about it we put all this stuff in food we call it food food likee substance like you said with all these weird colors and dyes and and and and we don't think much about it a because they're legal to put in food so of course of course they wouldn't you know let them put this stuff in the food if it wasn't good for you I was like well who who's they oh the government yeah because the government's only done good things ever in history you know and and a lot of these things they're sort of the wrong way around you know you can put put something in the food supply and you can have to say Okay people can eat this you can put this as an ingredient without ever proving that it's safe for human consumption right and or it just won't kill them right and um there's a lot A lot can happen before you die and so they they don't go through rigorous testing a lot of these things are are grass generally um you know generally thought to be safe or generally the Gras generally recognized recognized as as say my goodness yeah so I mean maybe some red dice slipped into my food I don't know um you know you just you just give this it's the industries that are allowed to call it grass and as long as the industry says yeah this is grass then the FDA just says yeah fine we trust you why why why do you trust them you know the only only reason that you exist as the FDA is to not trust them and to check their work and and you have to and so they just say it's safe we put it out in the food supply we have no idea it's safe it's never been proven to be safe it's just generally recognized as safe and um it's not necessarily maybe but it's not necessarily A lot of these chemicals are brand new they've never existed in nature they've never existed on Earth um possibly never any existed anywhere else in the universe but we have made these things I think the statistic was since the 1970s we have invented and patented over a million different novel chemicals that have never existed in nature and and most of these are in the food and Beauty uh industry so like makeups perfumes deodorants and food food additives food colorings all these things and so how are we supposed to tolerate these things say well it doesn't have calories oh it should be fine but we're putting chemicals in our body and our body responds chemically we're just we're just a bag of chemicals we've got you know all these millions and millions and millions of different chemicals trillions of different interactions going on all the time and then we're just loading in chemicals that have never been in nature before in history and um and we're just supposed to assume that they're safe like of course they they they're probably not the vast majority of these chemicals are going to be harmful in one way or another we just don't know what they are yet and so now we're starting to see how how impactful these things are which is why I think that you know for you and a lot of people when they go from like a ketogenic diet which does improve people's mental health in big ways I mean you know people are are reversing schizophrenia with a high fat meat-based ketogenic diet approach but I've I've seen people improve even more by going full carnivore and getting just every other chemical out of their system because plants you know they're the they're the great chemists of the world and they make a million different chemicals and so what the hell are those doing you get everything out and you just go cornivore and I think that provides a lot of benefit for the same reason that eliminating things like red 40 does because there's just these random chemicals we don't know what they do fully we know what a lot of them do but not all of them and just eliminating them people are just finding that their their health is improving dramatically and I think that's why yeah and one thing I forgot to mention because you said getting all that stuff and just going carnivore um I know that when I went carnivore I stopped having cravings for stuff like I would crave those keto treats and you know usually it would be it wouldn't be the kind you buy at the store because I knew better than that but you know like get some cream cheese and some vanilla you know and a little sweetener and then you just crave that or like the nuts oh my gosh yeah the nuts it was so bad and now it's like I'm carnivore and I just don't I just don't so if I'm hungry I want a ribeye or I want some Paka usually my two things and um that's it and then I eat that and I'm good um so with him he was starting off and he would have like a keto treat after dinner every night and I never demonized it I was just like okay he he has almost totally taken those out himself it is just so I know that that's not just me with my willpower or whatever because I never told me he couldn't have them I thought it was going to be U my my husband and I went to Las Vegas um in June for about a week I came home and I thought oh he's going to probably need some more of his cookies that I've been making for him and they were still all in the freezer like he just didn't eat them and I think even now there might still be one left so he's he used to eat one every day and now maybe it's one every 10 days yeah wow is and it's just I'm like why aren't you eating them I don't know I guess I just he said I don't know I guess if I don't feel hungry I don't really see the reason to eat it that was his answer like rock on satiety you know yeah so I never told him he should give those up or anything it just happened and I think that's that's the power of um of carnivore he's been very even when he goes to friends places he'll just bring some food with him and he's okay with that you know he brings his uh lunch to school now it's just like some like grass-fed beef sausage and some cheese and maybe some pepperoni I'm like do you feel weird he's like no nobody cares what I eat I don't care what they eat they don't care what I eat I'm like okay there you go yeah yeah you know but he he's he's not like we just work it out um his birthday's coming up in about a week and I his our tradition as a family is like we go to a restaurant and I didn't want to change that tradition but I said hey where do you think you want to eat for your birthday and he goes I don't know what restaurant can work with this carnivore thing so yeah Steak House you know Steak House yeah I know he he I know he's never had a steak maybe get get him his first R yeah yeah think about it h that yeah you you could try that I mean um barbecue places too they would have a lot of things that he would eat now they'll have a lot of spices yeah a lot I think we I think we're gonna do Buffalo Wild Wings because he does like chicken and they fry their chicken and beef Tallow yeah so I think that that's what I suggested um I think he was on on board with that so we might do that um but eventually we'll get him a riy yeah yeah but I just thought man what an answer he didn't say like am I still going to have birthday cake like he did not say that you know he's not expecting birthday cake he's not none of that yeah sounds like he doesn't may not even want it I don't think he does yeah it's pretty pretty amazing sometimes I have to remind him to eat because he's you know he's thin and I'm like I don't want to you know but he'll just like have you eaten yet oh no I'll come out right now and get some pot roast or something you know he just because yeah he just he really is it didn't take him long to stop with the incessant like snacking because he he used to just snack on like chees it crackers and that kind of stuff and just munch on those um and he just doesn't he usually eats two meals a day and he's good with that so yeah good and I I was actually going to ask you what what does he do about school lunches when he's out with you know friends over at other people's houses um sounds like he just doesn't care and he doesn't goes with it which is great yeah it's just completely self uh he just self-maintained when he goes out there just like he's not tempted or anything like that just yeah that's what he wants to eat the first couple times he got invited somewhere you know on the inside I'm a little nervous or I wasn't going to tell him like if they serve pizza don't eat it like I'm I'm not you he's 15 going on he's almost 16 like he's a teenager okay I didn't want to tell him that so I was just like okay do you want me to send food yeser so I'll make you like what yeah I'm like you can here's the food I'm sending you and then afterwards so what did you guys eat I just ate what you sent me they had pizza and chips and whatever I just ate what you sent me I'm like okay um I'm pretty comfortable with it now we'll see so the football season is ramping up and um a lot of times he just stays at school because it's like school all day and then the football game so he's just there so like last year during football season he wasn't doing this and so sometimes they'll provide food um pizza or whatever or sandwiches or something so I don't know we'll have to we'll have have to we'll cross that bridge when we come to it there's only been one game and he he got a little sick and he didn't go go to that so we'll see we'll see this coming Friday I think is the first like home game on a Friday but that's the thing is that if you just send a little extra food with him you know he's he's good with that so I'm sure that's what he'll say he wants to do um I think it was the first week it was only in his first week that was the only time he ever ate anything that he that wasn't on plan and it was because you know the teachers give out candy for like answers and so he had given a right answer and so he was handed a sucker so he just like he he goes and he and he admitted it to me go I just took the wrapper off and popped it in my mouth just as a reflex and but then he goes but then I remembered I'm not supposed to be eating this and so he went and threw it away I was like man my sugar addiction brain would not have been able I would have eaten that sucker the whole thing and well I already did it I might as well finish it we're just doing well you know it's probably not that big of a deal proba not that a sucker yeah he he threw it away yeah great so yeah that's really good that's that's the the really nice thing about this and and one thing I have seen with kids and one thing I when I talk to parents about how how do we do this it's like well when when they understand what they're doing then they self regulate and uh they want to be doing this they feel better doing this and they understand why they're doing this and why it's beneficial then they just they don't they don't do it you know it's it's um it's it's it's funny because we as adults can remember when we were six certainly when we were teenagers and we were much more aware intelligent and mature than we ever got credit for and it was very frustrating for us at that age because we're we're trying to you know um express our individuality and and and um and and just be people and we were not giv credit for are we treated like dumb kids and that's really frustrating then we become adults and we kids like dumb kids and it's like well hold on a second remember what you were when you were 6 years old and when I was 6 years old you know I thought about things and you know oh well that's not good for me I'm not going to eat that I would be at a friend's house and be like oh I really shouldn't eat that you know that has fat in it because my dad was all about pricin it was just like no fat anywhere in the house and I like oh really can't have that you know so it was always in in my head and um and so you you want to try to do the right thing um as you understood it and so you know once people do understand that so certainly a 15-year-old is going to be able to see like yeah well that's I don't want that I don't want that in my body I feel better and um and and should be able to self-regulate if you can't self-regulate that sort of furthers the argument that this food is extremely addictive and that you know it overpowers our selfcontrol and therefore it should be avoided even more and so um yeah I think it helped the way we did it right because I didn't say like okay you're going from standard American diet to like ribe eyes that I was like We'll make you some pizza pockets we'll make you some chicken nuggets you know see if you like them we did a couple a few different recipes and he did like them and then it was like you can still have a little treat after dinner if I think if I would have told him to give that up at the beginning yeah I don't think he would have been able to do it but it didn't I'm telling you it it it didn't take long um I think he he makes his the pizza pockets for himself and the ingredients are always in there and I remember the first time he came out and and I said what do you think you want for dinner because he hadn't had pizza pockets already like in a couple days and he goes well is there any of that paga left like he he started preferring it and it was just just getting into it even you know as dirty carnivore as maybe it was at the beginning um although I don't necessarily like that term but um you know but it helped him to trans transition and I think after that first month I asked him if he wanted to keep going and he said yes and he was feeling better and I haven't asked him after that I haven't asked him it's just been what he does yeah yeah that's great and um have you noticed any other sorts of change I mean seven months is a decent time he's sort of probably looking to go into growth Spurs have you noticed any any other sort of changes that he's had um well it's funny that you mentioned growth I was going to say something else he is so my older son is uh 18 he also has ADHD and he's the last hold out for proper human diet in my house so he's the only one of us um still eading standard American um but I think my younger son and who knows in seven months I don't know but he's definitely sprouted up and when we just got we went to see some family that hadn't seen him in a while um the family that was there said Oh I thought you were Josiah that's my other son the son that's doing all this is Zach they didn't realize it was Zach like they thought it was Josiah because of how tall he was so who knows I mean who knows if that's you know coincidence or because of the diet I don't know um the other thing too is so we would when we would go over to like my in-law's house um he would kind of go into his own zone so he would sit down in the rocking chair he wouldn't really talk to anyone he would get on his technology put on his headphones and just be like this right and not engage in the Gathering he would come eat when it was time to eat and then he'd you know go back he wouldn't and just like talk to people really or anything um and I think it was the first time like we went over there after eating this way I mean I'm not going to say that he wasn't on his phone at all but he for sure like I remember specifically he cracked a joke and like my father-in-law was cracking up he was like talking to people um engaging in conversation you know back and forth and not just like sitting there inside of his own head doing his own thing um so and I've noticed that the last one we went to so we have some family that just moved back they had been on the East Coast they're back here now and so um my niece had just turned one so it was like her first birthday and it was on a Sunday and I needed we I drove separately from my husband because I had school the next morning and I got to get out of there and get home and I told the kids like you can either ride with me or you can stay with Dad but I don't know how late dad stay and so you you know you might be here for a while but they were going to ride with me but I remember specifically to Zach I said all right it's time to go and he was like already like he didn't want to leave like he wanted to stay like I we just got here and he was enjoying his cousins and you know spending time with everybody and he didn't even have to have any of the birthday cake to you know to have that fun um and to do that and so yeah he was I said all right we can stay you know say 20 more minutes but yeah he he didn't he didn't just want to come home and get back on his computer and you know go back into Video Game World or whatever um he he wanted to stay and I thought that's new you know usually he would have just willingly come along he wouldn't have asked to stay longer for sure so yeah oh that's really good hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at 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it's it's it's certainly related because this is this is the food that kids are eating and remember I I remember the pizza pockets I remember Pizza day was usually a good day of the week the rest of it was pretty wretched and at least you had a couple pieces of pepperoni I remember it was like it was a good day to get three pieces of pepperoni on it uh for me anyway and um here in Australia they're really pushing like a plant-based sort of approach and they're actually they're actually discouraging parents from putting meat in their lunches and you know my my girlfriend L is getting letters from from the school saying hey don't put meat in your kids' lunches you know these this lunch meat you know it's sitting we don't have refrigeration so could be sitting there for three hours and and just not get any Refrigeration before they eat like like no one has ever packed a sandwich to work or school before you know and um you know it is such a it's such a con but they're really pushing this hard and there are some schools here in Perth that even say you're not allowed to give your kids uh any meat they are they are meat-free schools not just meat Free Mondays or meat Free Fridays you know or vegan taco Tuesdays you know it's no meat at all at at school and they go through the kidss lunches like you you send a lunch to school the kid they will look through it and if there's meat in it they'll take it away and send it home uh with them say they're not allowed to eat that here it is nuts so I that crazy but you know California does crazy things sometimes California does some pretty crazy things so I can tell you since I'm a teacher and I've been teaching for 25 years um and I never thought a second thing about it by he used to eat scho lunch um but in breakfast they breakfast here too and uh now it's breakfast after the Bell because they need to ensure that every child has the opportunity to have that breakfast and so breakfast is usually uh like Lucky Charms cereal something like that so full of marshmallows and you know the wheat and all of that um and they're serve that with not either if they get if they get chocolate milk I forget which is which I think it's one of them is non-fat and one of them is 1% so that you can either have white milk or chocolate milk but it's like non-fat or 1% um sometimes they will S one day it was a legit it looked like a chocolate chip cookie with frosting on it that's and that was breakfast that was breakfast it's like a um these like Danish things it's all prepackaged like it's all in plastic if it's not the cereal which the cereal is in plastic too because it's like those little mini bowls um they haven't done it in a while but they used to just straight up give them a poptart like a Kellogg's poptart um so yeah that's the breakfast one day I went in so they have this board I don't know if it's still there I'm not in there a lot when lunch is being served because that's when teachers don't have to work but one one time I went in is I end of last school year and they had this like a sandwich board and they had the food groups written on it and it was like of course proteins at the bottom at the top was like you know fruit and vegetables and whatever but for protein they considered what they call these things cheesy P Parts which is like bread with like some cheese but it's mostly bread and that was listed as the protein for the day so there was no meat on that day that that's what it was and that was listed for the kids so my point is as the kids walk by this board and they're supposed to be learning what their nutrition is because they could see okay my fruit today is an apple or whatever right and it's it's all written out and the protein was cheesy pull parts and I was like how though like how is that a I guarantee you there might be a couple grams of protein from that cheese and it's mostly carbs in there yeah um and I see a big difference in the students from when I started and to up to now um both in their like you were talking about when we were kids and we could think stuff and you know had minds of our own and could reason through stuff kids were like that when I started teaching and now it's like they don't have a lot of like mental fortitude or like be able to stick to things if I ask him to write a couple of sentences it's that's a lot of writing you know stuff like that um and and certainly with the other like the signs of insulin resistance I see like skin tags on 10-year-olds I see that uh I forget what always forget what it's called because it has a fancy name but that that skin the darker skin it's like kind of a fuzzy looking skin that's a sign of insulin resistance I can see that like on their necks sometimes um and I there's a lot more kids that are you know overweight for sure and we see it because we have to test them for PE they're supposed to be able to do push-ups and sit-ups and run a mile and I don't have I hardly have any kids that can pass the push-ups I can probably do more push-ups than they do in fact I demonstrate for them I'm like look here I am I'm 48 look at me push-ups and they a lot of them can't do one um they cannot we used to have kids running a mile in seven or eight minutes our fastest mile is usually over eight minutes now and most of them we have kids going over 20 I'm like I could walk it in under 20 like how um so you know both physically you know and academically and like mentally and all of that I I have seen that change occur um but yeah for lunches they they're usually given a fruit but it's a lot of times it's a fruit puree not even a whole fruit like an applesauce or it's like dried fruit with sugar like sugar is one of the ingredients you know so it's not just dried raisins or whatever or cray raisins or whatever those things are it they there's sugar in there so when you look at the sugar I'm like oh so I've started teaching my students to read labels I can't say too much because I probably will get in trouble but there was one day last year they were served a bagel with some cream cheese and I was like you know the cream cheese is really the best part of that and I did have one or two kids go and get like because they have this thing called a Sherin so if you're not going to eat something you can put it in the Sher bin and someone else can go take it as long as it's not opened so I did have a couple of my kids go to the Sherin and grab an extra cream cheese I was like all right because there wasn't any protein I mean there wasn't any meat it was bagel and cream cheese is what they were served and I was like we we're g to take a test like it was State Testing time and I'm like you know the cream cheese is the best part of that so some of them did go and grab another cream cheese they they did that but yeah if there's if there's a hamburger it's like the meat is almost non-existent I it can't be more than two or three ounces and a giant bun and then like two two fruits and then I don't even know like the vegetables there's like some kind of salad you know and of course it's fat-free dressing which we know is a chemical soup um so yeah that's what they're serving them and it's very sad yeah definitely um it I mean that's not going to be good for anybody's mental health even people that are are going to be subject to uh these sorts of issues um or not and and we wonder why the rates of ADHD and behavioral issues in school are just going up and up and up and we're feeding them this garbage as as breakfast if they're not getting it at home they're definitely getting it at school and then you're just you're just setting them up for failure for that day and then we're we're blaming the kid or we're blaming the parents and we're just dosing them up with medications and it's it's such a simple fix and you know the schools themselves I mean when I was a kid uh when I was going through Junior High I mean that was a big push at the time was was getting sugar out of the school was getting um not allowing uh vending machines like soda vending machines in the schools it's just like no these shouldn't be allowed shouldn't be allowed to have vending machines for candy and all that sort of stuff they they really fought hard against that in my school and and I'm I'm sure every school has sort of lost that battle since then but that was that was something that a lot of people were fighting fighting against um at that time and um so yeah I I I don't know know where that that influence has uh come from um but it's just sort of a bit funny that it's there now and we definitely need to get it out of there I see the exact same influences in the hospitals as well where you have hospital nutritionists that are like oh yeah that's great and then you have this nutritionist approved um meal plan uh for it's all just sugary carbs sugary carbs sugary carbs they're giving sugar cereals to patients Frosted Flakes um Jell-O sugary Jell-O and um sugary yogurt that might be the one of the only things on there that has any sort of Animal product there might be a bit of meat it's dead lean it's completely overcooked it's dry and it's miserable and so the rest of the garbage is what gets eaten it's all dessert it's dessert for every meal and we and we wonder why people are so sick and um but it's um we do see these remarkable recoveries we do see uh in kids and adults and patients in hospitals when you eat properly things start working better and I hopefully more people are going to realize that which sort of makes me wonder is there are there teachers that at your school and your son's school that um that are seeing this I mean presumably his teachers would have had to had to deal with a lot of his outbursts and behavioral issues issues which are largely gone now from the sounds of it and that must have resonated with them and so I wonder what their sort of Impressions have been yeah so firstly in high school there's a lot less parent involvement you know um with you know the teachers because they're he's just getting older but I will tell you that last year after he started the the diet he won like a freshman of the month award he was a freshman last year and I was like yeah my kid really and I don't think it was for grades I think it had to have been like an attitude adjustment you know like okay that's awesome I often wish because you know because he came to elementary school where I work which had its own I mean there was benefits to that but then because of his behavior and stuff it was challenging um but I often wish he could spend a day or two like with his teachers who are largely my colleagues and some of them my friends just so that they could give their input on what they see but I will tell you as far as so there was um which I'm not going to get into into huge detail here but at at one point there was an incident at a family gathering it was a Christmas gathering and there was an incident and because of that incident and the Fallout from that incident um I did not take my children to family gatherings for three years wow because of the reaction the fall fall out we'll just call it the Fallout from that it it it just wasn't good and I just wasn't going to do it anymore because it was already stressful I was already on pins and needles at every Gathering wondering if he was going to lose it with any of the you know his cousins or you know flip out if something happened that he didn't like and you know what reaction would I get when my kid is behaving that way and all of that and we would do everything in our power to mitigate that plan ahead for that um well anyway then it happened and it wasn't good and I I just didn't didn't take either of my kids to any family gatherings um for three years which was very sad because it was in that time that my dad actually passed away oh no um yeah he uh got Alzheimer's actually so I wish I would have known about this diet back then um my mom actually went meat-based keto because I did and she saw the benefits I was having and she hasn't looked back so I'm I'm very happy to say I'll probably have my mom around for a good long while and she's doing fantastic yeah um but you know now it's like I don't I you know I've started taking him over there and uh you know I I watch him having conversations with people I don't it's it's not the same there's not that same like tension I guess that there that there was and I'm pretty confident that he's not gonna meltdown or have a problem or you know any anything like that um so so that's been a big difference like in that Dynamic but as far as academically it it is hard to say because every year there's new teachers and there you know it's a new school um now because his high school is you know he's in high school now um and his teachers didn't have a ton of time other than work completion and have an attitude about having his phone out and not putting away his phone when being told to put it away that kind of thing there were a few you can always tell when a teacher doesn't like your kid you can always tell and some and he he is a neat kid and even when all of his symptoms were there he's you know he's smart he's funny he's he is likable except when he gets you know I think it's like a little OD oppositional Defiance or whatever and he gets there and then if if you as the adult kind of were to make it known that you don't like him then yeah it's going to be worse and so the his behavior would always be worse with those teachers that sort of made it clear that you know they couldn't separate the behavior from the child I guess so yeah there was one particular teacher last year but um it was his math teacher and then he had to he did uh end up failing uh the second semester of geometry because her policy was if you don't finish 70% of the work you cannot take the test so but like when he would take it when he would finish the work and he would take the test he was getting like bees on the tests but the te but all the other tests that he didn't finish the 70% thre threshold so she would just give him a zero well not him she wasn't ping on him that was her policy for the class yeah so he just had zeros I'm like how can you give him a zero on a test when he hasn't taken the test like maybe he has a 75 like you don't know because you're just giving him a zero because he didn't comply and get 70% done uh yeah so there it kind of penalizes kids like my son who struggle with that area but you know she didn't she didn't change her um her policy but when he did summer school over summer it was that same teacher and he got a A+ so nice yeah so he was able to work it out with her and I don't know if she had the same policy summer school's only you know a couple of weeks or whatever I don't know um I was nervous I was like oh great like the teacher that's supposed to be helping him Master this material and get him through the class is the same teacher that he struggled with but you know he he was able to do it so you know I don't know if she saw a difference but he had he not only turned everything in but he did all the extra credit too like he already had A+ and he did the extra credit I'm like okay yeah nice that's really good so yeah so so you know that I think she probably noticed some differences but now he has all new teachers again because we just started a school year and you know even his counselor is different and all of that so um that's about as much much as I can say that way yeah well that's that's that's fantastic though I mean even that that big turnaround you know we were talking about like well I don't know if his grains are going to improve they have improved you know he was getting zeros on his test and now he's got an A+ with the same malicious teacher who who you know going going crazy on him but so that's that's fantastic you know um you know that he's been doing that which is great so you know I'm sure that that um well I'm I'm sure just everyone's very pleased uh with how he's doing and um I'm sure he's he's and you most pleased uh which is yes yeah well I'm really glad that this is happening in such a way and and I'm really happy to hear it and I'm I'm really looking forward to seeing how he does in the future as well you know once people start going like a year or two I mean they mondria or sort of fleshed out and they have like the most sort of the most improvements on the mondria we should I should say um that that maybe you're going to see but but it can take it can take years before get really really you know fully back and um and going and he's developing too so his brain's still growing his body's still growing he's going to be seeing amazing changes and um so this is just the tip of the iberg I think I think that this is he's going to just keep improving and improving uh which is really exciting to see so uh yeah yeah well thank you so much Christy for sharing that story with us I think it's very heartwarming it's wonderful to see um you know such a nice young man U being able to be himself and be the nice young man he was always destined to be and and and be able to succeed so thank you so much for for sharing that with us absolutely I hope other parents will you know hear this and and maybe it inspires them to to give it a try perfect um is is there anywhere on social media or anywhere that people can find you or follow you uh to see more yeah so absolutely my YouTube channel is at meeting Wellness you see it down there next to my name right there but it's meeting like meat meeting and um I have made several videos you know on his progress and I because my you know my my subscribers are are interested in his journey um he's even been on uh for an interview with me there um so he talked about it I think after just a few weeks after maybe three weeks even and um whereas the first week he had no interest in doing that but then yeah he came on and kind of talked about it himself which was pretty cool so yeah that's Channel there and um you know I talk about other stuff too as well as uh do some recipes and interviews and things like that so perfect we'll put all that in the in the description and uh and yeah and hopefully things just keep getting better for him and hopefully your oldest son starts uh coming around because he's still 18 so his growth plates are still probably open if he does switch probably get another five or six inches out of his uh I'm GNA tell him you said that I'm GNA tell him you said that maybe that'll put him over because he hasn't grown in a while yeah why I started this when I was must have been 21 because 2021 because I I stopped drinking around the same time and I stopped drinking right after I turned 21 and so it was just boring then I I was doing it more out of defiance than anything else like yeah then I was like going to bars like oh I can be here I'm like I've been coming here on a fake ID for three years like this is this is boring to me now and um and so I just stopped and then I I felt amazing you know and my performance in rugby just went through the roof and around that same time I had that professor at udub in Seattle that um talked about plants trying to kill you and I just cut out all the plants at the same time and so I didn't I didn't realize how much of an impact that had at the time but um but because my growth plates were closed um you know I didn't um I didn't grow anymore you know I was I was already 63 which was pretty good but I didn't I didn't get up to 66 or anything like that which would have been yeah yeah you are tall I Met You in Austin at hack your health I was like oh he's tall I'm short for some reason I didn't realize you as tall as you are I thought you were I figured you were a short guy I'm like how would you think that and um but yeah and uh yeah so I didn't get any hide out of it but other people that start a couple years younger when the growth plates are open they they spring up yeah and so yeah he's 5'11 or 510 511 somewhere in there I'll tell him you might get six feet if you uh eat your meat dude it's it's it's not um it's not unheard of I think your uh your your youngest son who''s been talking to talking about um probably that that was to do know that grp was to do with this you're just giving proper nutrition your body goes right let's use it it's just yeah you know it's just the right fuel um my my girlfriend's son um he went carnivore about a year ago and he was he was he was much shorter and he was quite overweight and he had GH of kamasa very shy little kid was getting teased at school for for all of that and um was wasn't fun and uh then he went carnivore and in like eight months he he sprouted up like six eight inches I mean like he's looking at me now he's like 510 now and he was he was very short I mean he was like I don't know five two before that maybe you know and so a good six inches 68 inches I would say at least in in the last year and and now he's just you know he's sort of like a string bean sort of teenager but he's uh going to the gym now he's starting to play sports he started playing rugby this year really likes it and so now he's he's getting into things that he he didn't before and so you know at 18 still got plenty of time to grow and but you know he's on a ticking clock and so as soon as those growth plates close he's um he's not going to grow to anymore so yeah so if you can get on it soon he probably still still get a few more inches maybe maybe more that's good to know I'm gonna let him know I don't know if he cares but I'm gonna give that a try like I said my husband recently went low carb or I might even say keto and eats a lot of meat now he got rid of all the processed food for sure so it's just like I said just my 18 yearold I'm like come on dude come with us well you know you can just start weeding things out like oh sorry we don't have it in the house anymore and if he eats Med crap outside of the house that's one thing but at least he's getting proper nutrition there yeah yeah 100% yeah and try yeah try the try the hard sale with you know another four or five inches of height and uh 50 pounds of lean body mass you know yeah stranger things have happened and if he's you know interested in sports that's a big big incentive you know like getting that much size is makes a big impact in sports so you never know yeah yeah right all right uh well thank you so much again Chrissy for coming on I really appreciate it and I'll put all your links down in the description below for people to please follow Christie and take a look at her work and follow her progress and um and her son's uh progress thank you all very much I really appreciate it we'll see you next time hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say if you like it then please like And subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast and if you're on YouTube then please hit that little Bell And 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