Rancher and Carnivore for OVER 65 Years! (You Won't Believe Her Age!) | Rancher Maggie

Welcome to the plant free MD podcast with 
Dr Anthony Chaffee where we discuss diet   and nutrition and how this affects health 
and chronic disease and show you how you   can use this to optimize your health and 
happiness both mentally and physically all right hello everybody thank you for 
watching this is uh another episode of   plant free MD today I have a very special 
guest Maggie who's from Whitehaven Farms up   in Alberta Canada and she has been a long time 
carnivore nearly lifelong carnivore and raised   several kids as carnivores and has been you know 
working as a as a Rancher for decades now thank   you very much Maggie for joining us you're very 
welcome Anthony I'm very pleased to be able to talk yeah well thank you and it's um you know 
we've been conversing over you know previously   before we say record and then over emails and 
so I've I've just been very fascinated with   your story and how you you came to be the person 
that you are and your experiences and I would just   love to pick your brain about that um can you tell 
us just a bit about yourself and your background   and what you do and how you how you first came 
about uh just eating meat well born in Montreal   um 1941 so I'm getting up there I don't 
even think about that but uh our family   moved West in the 50s and uh I ended up in a 
private school and graduated from there and   went to UBC to take veterinary medicine because I 
thought that's what I wanted to do and I decided   at UBC because it was in the 50s and and um 
there were no women vets at that time and I   don't think anybody suffered from that I don't 
think women suffered from that but in any case   um I decided I didn't want to look after other 
people's animals I wanted my own and I come   a dairy farm after my dad got home from the war 
um with the vla ACT he got a dairy farm and I just   fell in love with cows basically fell in love 
with cows and dogs and horses at the same time   we farmed with horses in the 40s and uh yeah so I 
grew up riding on the backs of the workhorses as   plowing or spreading manure or whatever and that 
was the life I really wanted so what the hell was   I doing in UBC like like spending money trying to 
I was working at the racetrack um and at Hastings   Park in Vancouver and uh and then exhibition 
part until they found out I was a girl I was   actually I wanted to buy I'm tall and skinny 
I'm five foot ten and strong as a horse and and   yeah it looked like about like a 14 year old boy 
I guess and I was 16 17. and um I had a license to   to work to hot walk and get him that I worked 
for Eddie Yates and the Diamonds and then the   commissioner of racing brought me in and she and 
I said he said give me your your ticket and I said   yeah and I put Max Hillary which was my dad's name 
which was my name was Maxine and I mean I'm Maggie   but my name was Maxine and I said max Hillary 
and he said that you're a girl yeah cowboy hat on   because I'd spent the summer actually working 
for Douglas Lake Cattle Company uh which was um   owned at the time by Colonel Spencer before chunky 
Woodward bought it and uh I was actually working   at Green Acres Cattle Company which was owned 
by by Colonel Spencer and his daughter Barbara stole yeah I mean I actually met a cowboy 
there and then so I dropped out of just I   was a total Dropout after two years if UBC I 
couldn't handle the the crap in University I'm   sorry but I mean there was so much BS going 
on even then it's way worse now but however   um they produced people like you which is amazing 
I mean not that they they do who you are but   you know what I mean you can cut this 
out Anthony if she's fine however   um that's what So I Married one of the Cowboys 
from there and we went way back in the bush so   all of a sudden now I'm eating what I always 
wanted to eat as a kid I didn't like vegetables   I didn't even like fruit and in the 50s we didn't 
have the variety and we didn't have the kind of   sweet apples and this sort 
of thing that had almost been um modified to take taste a lot better I mean 
we had crab waffles on the farm and that's   we never had any fruits that weren't in in season 
and we're talking Canada there isn't a lot of   growing season and there isn't a lot of fruits 
and vegetables that we grow here I mean we don't   do anything really well excepting you know spots 
and turnips and onions and stuff like that and   you know what I didn't really didn't like them and 
if you eat things try eating them just plain just   you know grab a potato and take a chunk out of it 
see what it tastes like uh yeah I guess a carrot   fresh in the garden is is okay uh but without 
the butter and the gravy and the sour cream and   all those things everybody puts on which I don't 
like Anyway accepting a lot of butter I used it   take potatoes and then Mom would put lots 
of butter on it I would eat the butter   and leave the potato you know so this was a 
problem at home because I was skinny and so   um our general physician said oh sure well 
Maggie will have a better appetite at supper   time if you give her half of Guinness dope 
before supper well I learned to like get   missed out so my mom put an end to that because 
they didn't like vegetables and food so I ended   up getting married as a teenager we go way 
back in the bush I'm not going to Garden like we eat what we shoot what we gross 
all like blue gross rough gross um duck in   the fall uh dear moose two kinds of deer there 
was whitetails and and muellies up there moose   um fish from the creek there were times when I 
mean I know what hunger is my mom would have her   hair would have been curled she'd known because 
the family I came from wasn't broke I chose this   life because this is the life I wanted to lead I 
I'm I like the adventure I liked I like the hills   I like the nature and I tend to be a very solitary 
kind of person which may show up a little bit in   my rough way of saying things so pardon me I'm 
I'm about that but however I'm watching what I see um that all came about and of course I ended up 
getting pregnant I was by myself when my first   and he didn't make it and I don't know really why   um I I honestly can't tell you but I was 19 going 
on 12 you know at that because I never really had   chat never given myself a chance to really grow 
up still having trouble with that why 80s however   um I eventually did have I had ended up having 
three babies back in the bush and I nursed them   all because that was easy there was no we had 
no phone we had no power we had no running water   it wasn't you know and Winters are tough even 
back in the Hills North of Kamloops you know   so they went from me to eating venison 
my oldest daughter had never tasted beef   until she was 10 years old and I told them 
I said now this is be this is what we raise   and you might not first fight they were used 
to venison all kinds of venison including moons   and salmon sockeye salmon coming up you know 
all the way out from the Fraser River to the   Thompson River to the boulevard River to Dead 
Man's Creek to crisp Creek where our Ranch was   and uh they would come up there they would be 
pretty beat up and we'd shoot them and pick   them up in the creek and if you couldn't put your 
fingers through them we ate them there was times   when life was tough and the cows you know if 
it was a drought year they would come down not   into great shape and the deer we took nine deer 
off the mountain one year just to keep ourselves   dead we didn't have any Refrigeration so you 
know they were put way up into the top of a a big ponderosa pine out of the blue flies in the 
summertime and you just peel off what you need and   I had a lot of help from a little lady at the in 
in the um we were the first White Ranch past the   Indian reserve and and she helped me a lot with 
making dried meat and a little Ricky up and stuff   like that so I have to try by venison that was 
cooked and smoked and dried and my kids teeth on   that like this is what they ate and I didn't have 
to Garden I didn't the the uh indigenous fee they   call them indigenous and somebody asked old Alice 
who was just a darling she was like and uh she   would take me up and we'd go take hushenberries 
and that if you'd ever had hush and berries there   um High Bush cranberries and they smell like dirty 
socks but when you cook them up and you get the   the juice from them um vitamin C and so her kids 
if they got a cold they had to take work and she'd   give it to me too and I give it to my kids and 
they hated it you know but that's what they they   would get and they very seldom got sick but the 
best thing to give a baby is a I don't know like   we make jerky ourselves and and it's great and I 
give it to a baby to John I wouldn't put the pain   but they would pound berries into it and my kids 
cheeked on that stuff and they had I give them   the ends of a bone and they gnaw on that best 
thing ever for a baby that's trying to get their   teeth to break through the gums you know so my 
kids didn't really have any problems like that   and then I would cut the meat up really fine and 
they went into their mouths whatever they wanted   and I never had anything in my whole life 
since I left home the age of 17 . I've never   bought a pound of sugar ever in my life ever 
ever ever it's not in the house you look in   our fridge this no there's no there's no 
vegetables around here there's all kinds   you know this morning we had we had steak we had 
a calf we don't eat a lot of good beautiful young   beef that I absolutely love because it's worth 
too much to us and this is the point of me getting   in touch with you you're the only one that ever 
picked up Anthony bless your heart is that we we   want people to eat meat and get healthy and get 
rid of their diseases and be strong and we want   the children to have the brain power and all that 
you need meat okay so you get everybody you and   and the rest of you guys that are willing to put 
yourself out there you get everybody eating meat   where is it going to come from I've 
mentored young Cowboys young Ranchers   uh there's five of them that I can tell you right 
now and every single one of them have said to me I   don't know how long I can do this Maggie I can't 
afford it I'm not making enough money one of the   kids that I sell Bulls to mentoring him and uh he 
finally got married I was so happy oh the first   year off she gives him twins and she was his right 
hand man on the farm he would go to she's calving   out the cows and now she's got two tiny babies 
and now she's got another kid and then damned if   another kid I was helping with exactly where the 
hell the twins come from you know well you eat   meat you're gonna have more babies that's just the 
way it is I guess but the thing is that how are   we going to if there's no cow calf man there's no 
backgrounder there's no feeder there's no finisher   there's no truckers driving trucks to get those 
cattle to Market there's no abattoirs there's   there's beyond meat and meat substitutes and 
and all I hear is these people are saying   well I know meets good for me and I feel so 
much better but I feel like a murderer like   really these Critters wouldn't even 
exist we love our cows I can tell you   the two oldest cows and I've been in this 
business for six years okay over 60 years now   um 23 years old yeah they were named I had 
all these kids they would name the cows you   you want 150 head of cows they're going to 
name every damn one of them chatty Kathy and   brownie both live to be 23 the average age of 
a beef cow like your your dog and your cat is   10 or 12 years old okay that's the average 
life of a beef cow they have to be kept fed   absolutely a pristine diet not the crap that most 
people in the city could feed their dog and cat   because those dogs and cats could live to be 15 
16 18 19 like ours do because they're fed meat   they're not fed this food they're carnivores 
but cows are not carnivores so we're saying   oh it's bad to feed them grain oh excuse me if 
there's grain out there the deer and the Moose   are eating it whether it's Wild Oats put on here 
by the Creator or if our tame oats or what kind   of grain we're eating those wild animals will be 
in there they're not going to go foraging onto   um what all kinds of fescues and stuff in the fall 
when they've got grain to eat and they do amazing   things with that grain because well hunting on the 
Prairies you're getting grain fed moose and green   moose or browsers you give them a grain field 
you know they'll eat the Grain and they'll put   on white fat and it's absolutely amazing you know 
I'm sure they'll go back and eat in the swamps but   this is what they're that's what their rumen is 
for and if you look at the physiology I mean I   did get University if you look at the physiology 
of the cow this is a miracle this huge rumen or   a moose or a deer or apparently a camel and I 
mean I don't never eaten camel or giraffe or   any but they're ruminants they chew their Cuts 
this amazing vat that all the glasses and the   grains and all stuff goes into and the bugs in 
there eat it they have a um a biological tank   going on in there and the bugs now this is a lot 
of things that people don't understand is that   that animal raises the bugs in the rumen now if 
you don't have the bugs in the for some reason   rather too many antibiotics because the cow got 
sick or or whatever or something happened and she   lost her cut as they say then the only way to get 
that cow back into shape because it can't digest   the food without the bugs is to put the bugs back 
in the room and now at UBC we had our tree in   those sewn into the side of these lumens on these 
cows they were fine yeah and we'd open them up and   we'd pull us oh it was ranked pull that stuff 
out and put it into another cow or tube it in   like put a tube in you might have to make sure you 
get it past the epiglottis and down into the rumen   because that's the only stomach you put that stuff 
back in and away they go again so it's the bugs in   there and it's actually the bugs whether they're 
grain bugs or hay bugs or silage bugs or whatever   kind of Bio form that's in there when billions and 
trillions and quadrillions of these that is what   who the reticulum that makes the cut the omazum 
all of that and gut it's the bugs when they die   that the cow gets her fishing from the point is 
that 80 of what you put into a cow or a moose or   a deer comes out of the back end and that that 
is the only way we can keep our Fields with   both tilt full nutrition full biological matter 
it is gold that manure is gold if you can graze   your cattle out there it's a beautiful cycle 
if they're in a feedlot oh by the way when a   feedlot animal goes in he's about 18 months of 
age 18 months to two years of age he spent his   whole life eating grass and hay and silage just 
like every other cow just like every other moose   deer or whatever this is all a green stuff 
that we grow the last 120 days he goes in and   his green ration is increased just like it would 
be for the deer if they get into your barley crop   and they can help elk or brutal they can just 
wipe out what they call it like a hail storm   but those animals go into this with the lot 
they get up to a 70 75 grain ration in the last   the 60 days 60 70 80 days they're gaining four and 
a half pounds a day and they're putting marbling   in their flesh we've all the frame is already 
there that's what you do when you background   the calf after it's mean it goes on to grass and 
then it gets backgrounded with silage and they're   gaining frame growth it's not a fattening ration 
or a finishing ration but they go into this 120   days of their life and they're living the life of 
um any better than any pet that's locked up in an   apartment in the middle of town because if they're 
not happy and contented and cared for they don't   and the margins are so slim in this business 
if they don't Thrive the farmer the Rancher the   feedlot operator goes belly up and he will last 
maybe one year that's it you can't put it away   in the garage go and do something else and then 
come back and start farming again that animal has   to be fed if it has no value at the market and 
you have to buy feed and nobody else can afford   to feed it because maybe they've had a drought 
too you think okay and now feed instead of being   a hundred dollars a big round bale is 
now 250 dollars a big round bale and   that's gone in one in one day you know I 
mean during the drought year before last   or extra feedback five thousand dollars and we've 
got a very small herd of a hundred hat okay forty   five thousand dollars just to get them there 
we couldn't sell them because nobody had feed   to buy them so this is this is the only industry 
that you can't go on strike can't put on hold but   these animals when they say Well they're they're 
factory farm oh yeah farmer and see how well you   do with the cow you know that weighs 1400 pounds 
and she bursts a calf how much of a factory farm   do you think this is a Hands-On industry this if I 
sound passionate and intense Anthony it's because   all of our people who are suffering now 
70 of North Americans wait unhappy they   don't even like the look of themselves let 
alone do they feel good or have the energy   and you're going to get them on me bless your 
heart you and Sean Baker and Ken Berry you're   going to get them on meat they're going to 
feel better where's the meat going to come   from because I can't convince these guys stay in 
the business because they can't feed their family   and keep their calves alive you know in a in 
a ice storm like so and my husband who is MBA   and looks at the cold hard facts and figures 
he said Maggie the only we are going to ever   be able to keep the beef available waiting for 
the world to catch up when you guys get through   telling people what they need they're going 
to turn around and say well thanks a lot   where's the beef it's not there it's not that's 
not beef it's all about this you've told us all   about this but where's the beef well I'm 
sorry there's no beef because the guy the   primary producer the cow calf man that has to 
be there every time that cow goes into labor   or needs to call of that to save that cow's 
life laughs they're done they're done they're   not going to stay in the business I've 
got 10 of my own kids not one of them   is farming my youngest daughter has half a dozen 
cows in our herd and she comes out she's a school   teacher she comes out once a week and helps feed 
and we just love her dad takes her into the shop   and she builds stuff and you know and it's 
great but she's not she's not farming because   she can't feed her she's got three kids 
these are my grandkids there's no money   in it there will be people that will will 
are willing to make this a lifetime project   because they love cows they love the horses they 
need to work with them they love their cow dogs   they they love being out there on a tractor 
putting up hay for our six months of brutal   we have in Canada they're willing to do that 
they're willing to be up there just like mac   and I are before we came down here to you know I 
did run a comb through my hair okay yeah I mean   I do have I don't have a lot of Pride I don't 
care about that crap but the the point is that   I was just so excited this morning when 
I realized that we were going to do this   because now I just want to dump this problem that 
we have about how are you going to take this on   because you're going to because I can't do it and 
you know how to do this Anthony you know how to   explain to people that not only is carnivore the 
only we are carnivores okay so you want to put the   other crap in your body that's fine you're going 
to have aches and pains but you're not going to   have the the I mean it's not a great thing for a 
woman who wants to walk around in a bikini Arnold   Schwarzenegger Okay so I don't I don't care about 
about that but people want to be healthy they want   to be strong they want to feel good when they 
want get up in the morning they want their brain   to work they want to remember things and at 80 I 
feel like like right now Mac and I are approaching   middle age but we've just what we've yeah okay 
that's fine he's 67. I'm 82 and February the first   we've just bought a little farm in Colombia we 
went down there because we're building a sailboat   in our shop because Mac wants a sale he's a sailor 
I took my license and went down five days first   holiday ever five days down the coast went sailing 
on a boat to learn how to sail because I said I'm   not going sailing around the world with you ever 
until I know how to feel you know so that's what   we did this summer August 1st to the 5th my 
daughter came and looked after the whole place   bless your heart and then we decided that where 
are we going to put this boat he's he'll be   finished 32 foot catch okay and uh he worked 
all over the world in his life and we got a a   motor from fellow in Bangladesh who took apart 
uh um Lifeboat send it to us we it's a diesel   It's a beaut diesel twenty seven hundred dollars 
delivered into our shop went into the this boat is   going to be sailing in two years and we're going 
to sail it down to Colombia so I said well I don't   want to live on the beach in some touristy place 
um can we look for maybe a little cabin in land   close Columbia because it was cheaper 
you can't afford to go to Panama or   Mexico anymore then you know to put that on 
site we found this little 13 Acre Farm there   so came back talked to the banker borrowed the 
money we got to make this pay you got to make this   pay this is a family farm down in Columbia we fell 
in love with the family and they said well can you   can you please take it over their dad had just 
dropped dead three day three years ago and it was   only 60 years old and he had all these projects 
going and the boys had their one lives in Bogota   and other lives in man as Alice and we had to 
learn Spanish for God's sake so we've been doing   that over the last year right now because nobody 
speaks English down there so down there and this   family they lowered the price for us and um and 
the Columbia peso dropped to the Canadian dollar   so I went to the banker here and he says you 
guys are crazy and I said well maybe but can   we do this put another mortgage on the farm we'll 
we'll manage it somehow we're doing so now we've   got the Thousand coffee plants going in there I 
don't drink coffee now I do okay might as well   he says coffee's okay I don't know about 
that you see I don't really care about   all the intricacies of the diet and that 
I know it works for me and if I anything   that doesn't agree with me I my body tells me okay 
so that's like um you know an 18 year old going   out having his first drink or maybe his first 
um what do you call like a talk or something I   don't know it doesn't work very well well this 
is what vegetables do to me one apple okay   um a cracker with figgy stuff what 
did we have the other day fig Jam   and okay the next day yeah I still have to go 
to work I still have to build rain buckets I   still have to check cows I still have to we 
have a had a little Aura uh RSB thing going   um through there you know at a rhinocyticial 
virus is well we have it the line has the same   thing they're not it's not zoonotic you don't 
worry about it but it goes through kids the   same way as it goes through calves and we didn't 
give shots because we took off to go to Columbia   see the farm and fell in love with it and signed 
the papers and when we got back the weather had   just taken a dive so the cats didn't get their 
vaccinations and we had half a dozen you know   go through with this didn't take off social virus 
which of course can't heal with an antibiotic but   whatever they you have to be there it doesn't 
matter a fake jam and it reacted on you this is   what I'm saying there is no paid sick sick paid 
no days off there's no holidays there's no like   what do you think you can take a long weekend 
off Christmas we sped it up in the feedlot   we're supposed to go for supper to my daughter's 
place that didn't happen we had a freeze okay so   there was no Christmas this year it wasn't but you 
know what our animals are good and we still laugh   we still have fun we still love what we do but 
now we got to pay for this Farm down in Colombia   and uh we'll do it because we know we can but the biggest joy for me this morning was when 
I really realized that I can dump all this [ __ ]   Onto You Now fix this Anthony you've got the you 
have the you'll have to probably cut this out you   have the um podcast you have the know-how you 
know you look like a freaking Greek god so like   you're gonna catch all the young girls that aren't 
happy with what they look like and they're going   to say okay here's this guy out there that 
looks like this and he's eating meat and it   so do you see where I'm going with this so 
I can forget about this and concentrate on   helping Matt Bill finish this boat still do our 
100 head of cows and our background feedlot and   all the other things because we put up our own 
feed you'll have to see we still have to harvest   we had a hail storm go through wiped out half 
of our barley you know this year but you know   we have to Mill barley and it doesn't matter 
if it's minus 38 with a 20 mile an hour wind   blowing you still have to set up the mill you 
still have to get the tractor going you still   have to and by the way we hand fill our buckets 
with grain with chalk out of the green wagon like   they weigh about 28 pounds a piece and then we 
load them into the back of the Gator and go into   each pen and distribute it in seed troughs and 
if you've ever seen cows when they get a taste   for barley boy but when the weather gets like 
that they need that extra they need that extra   they need the cardiffs they're they're need 
the carbs and to keep your animals strong and   healthy it's amazing what seven eight pounds 
of grain rolled barley will do for those cows   a lot of people have lost a lot of stock 
in this last six weeks of hellish weather   so this is what I want to do and my husband is 
just so wanting my brain to get back to where we   have all these projects going now on the farm 
in Colombia we raise bananas plantain mangoes what else avocados oranges lemons like I've never 
seen an orange on the door they're Valencia and   and and you know if people are willing to 
eat them that's fine but coffee I'm I'm   drinking coffee now learning to like it I actually 
quite like it it doesn't seem to be bothering me   but I've got a cast iron that so you know 
I mean I've eaten a lot of sometimes trips   a lot of iffy iffy me I'll I'll just put it 
that way but you know when you're healthy   um you don't get gut problems you 
just you don't you know your gut is   hard and it's and it it's just there to 
I don't eat I don't live to eat I eat to   yeah and like sitting down at a table we got this 
is a big table this is eight foot eight foot table   here and when it when my kids are home there's 
like 50 people like when they're all come with   their their kids and their kids are having kids 
now my I got great grandkids that are in school   so you know but and I know I sound 
like I got diarrhea of the month but   it is that you and Sean Baker and he actually gave 
a podcast this morning that just tickled my fancy   because he was talking about the life cycle of 
a cow you have a lot of people you've convinced   that carnivorously but they have that one 
problem with the ethical part of eating meat   and I'm telling you now that we waste nothing 
here nothing we have stock ponies that are like   we had had a 35 and a 33 year old we 
still got the the 33 year old mayor   we put her sister down the age of 35 
that mayor you could load a moose honor   go hunting bring a moose back on her we put 
her down did we throw her body to the coyotes   no there are some animals that we can't eat if we 
have a loss the coyotes get it we've got a great   um dog that live here they have never once 
touched our calves we had to get rid of some   that took one year took seven of our baby 
calves these guys are great they live here   they get extra fee they keep the mice in 
down the Gopher population down foreign there is no way I'm would let any kind of meat any 
kind of need go to waste so old cheeky ended up   in the freezer the dog food freezer and 
bless her heart no way chewing on her bones   yeah so this is the sort of thing that maybe 
your people need to know what real life is   and the importance of honoring and respecting 
these animals like every other Rancher that I know   Anthony if you don't love cows and you 
don't love business this it will kill you   one way or another and you know 
what your bones will be coyote ciao   and you there will be a nickel to bury you because 
it will break you and it will break your spirit   if you don't love it and if you don't 
respect these animals and I don't know   who doesn't love his cows and he doesn't just 
thrilled to see those baby calves out there and   for as long as they are meant to be on this Earth 
whether it's two years of age or 23 years of age they are cared for fed looked after cherished cherished or who would get up at 
three o'clock in the morning and go out and   and check when it it's just bitter cold to 
make sure those animals are okay and and   that the cycle of Life continues and Skip 
Christmas entirely Christmas Day boxing day   it was just solid work for us but it's 
a labor of love and yeah we're we do   we do fairly well actually because we don't buy 
anything we don't need like we keep our bills   we don't go to restaurants we don't go out we 
don't travel our first travel ever was to Colombia   you know and and it was absolutely amazing 
like that's the first time I've ever been   off the continent and I'm 80 something you know 
so um and and now we have another job down there   so with that I'm passing this burden 
of how the heck are we going to keep in   this business and how do I keep all these 
kids I'm mentoring in this business going without any hope of them ever making a living 
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what are some of the barriers to that I mean has   it always been like that has always been very 
tough margins you know the prices of meat have   gone up significantly but it you know it doesn't 
sound like that's actually getting to you know the   level of the ranchers it sounds like other people 
in the middle are the ones profiting off of that   so what are some of the the barriers to you guys 
being profitable or new Ranchers coming in and   being able to earn enough of a living to make 
it worthwhile well the barriers to us right now   is that the land is so expensive I mean right now 
the the quarter section that the home place is on   I had two other core two others still have another 
quarter uh and and that it's worth on the average   well this place because it's got a house on 
it somewhere around three million dollars   it's only worth what I can raise on it for me 
the other quarter that's bare even though it's   got two Wells on it uh and it's got power 
to it it's worth million two million and a   half you're not going to pay that back in 
cows so you're going to put it into grain   and the problem is is that fewer 
and fewer people are eating beef   the the big uh stores and that they they everybody 
has to make a profit all supply chain okay when   you go into the store and I look at what's 
in the in the grocery carts and then she's   then this lady who's maybe 50 pounds overweight 
and she's got two beautiful children although   they don't look all that healthy to me but their 
basket and she looks like she's packing the cares   of the world and she's maybe all of 25 years 
old it breaks my heart and I look in her basket   and I look at the bill that she's and I mean I'm 
right behind her and this has happened more than   once this is I don't care what grocery store 
you go into and you'll see what they're paying   250 dollars and she has no food in there yeah 
there's no food in there if she'd taken that   250 and bought meat with it wow beautiful girl 
you know sitting somewhere around 180 hundred   beautiful girl young two beautiful children and 
she's got no food and she just spent 250 300   dollars she's got pop in there she's got chips 
in there she's got kelos corn flakes in there   I mean I've got to name all the the crap she's 
got in there but there's no food in there yeah there's maybe a Frozen pack of corn yeah like 
or maybe a head of lettuce you want to eat that   rather food go ahead but I'll I'll bet people 
when she gets home she's gonna put a 2.50 worth   of something out of a bottle on there or she's not 
going to be able to eat that last no that makes it   worse what people don't realize as well is that 
when you actually like you know check it like per   pound of lettuce of spinach of these vegetables 
quite a lot of them are more expensive than beef   you know especially certain types A dollar an 
apple yeah you're an apple an apple yeah or more   sometimes yeah or more like it's it's absolutely 
criminal and it's crazy and they're taking their   money you know and and they're buying margarine 
instead of butter um that would gag a maggot so like I eat a lot of butter because I grew 
up that was all I wanted to I wanted the meat   and I wanted the butter that was on the on the 
table and so this this problem of the Rancher   the cow calf producer and there's a lot of 
them they're quitting yeah they're turning   their land they're either renting their land out 
or they're selling they're selling out to some   American or some rich Saudi or some rich Chinese 
person or some rich Dutch person that's going to   run a dairy okay and that's fine but the 
problem is with with milk there's nothing   wrong with milk there's nothing wrong with even 
pasteurized milk but as soon as you homogenize   you know the difference between whole milk and 
that's been homogenized and milk that hasn't   been homogenized the cream the globules in the 
butter fat in the milk that will make butter   will rise to the top which is the way milk 
when it was delivered at home back in Quebec   um it Rose to the top didn't bring it in 
it would freeze and then the neighborhood   cat was licking it off the top because it was 
pure you know so when you homogenize it to keep   that those fat globules in suspension 
they have to be broken up so small   but they almost literally can go through the walls 
of the intestine seriously that fat even though   it's butter fat which would be awesome for you 
which I will eat butter by the Spoonful uh and   I eat cheeses all I love cheese and and butter 
we have a huge you should see our supper table   when we're eating I mean it's just amazing like we 
have all kinds of stuff on there no no plants but   I never gave my kids homogenized milk I had a milk 
cow until my last kid left home that was it I made   my own butter and yeah so they add whole milk you 
know so but as soon as you homogenize it's not   the pasteurizing but people who talk about raw 
milk no no no no no no you don't have to drink   pasteurize it we did because we had our own cup 
okay and they used to be used to be able to get   your milk cow tested for TV because TB used to 
be a thing you know I come from I was born before   antibiotics work developed and they were developed 
during World War II okay there were no antibiotics   for people or babies when I so yeah they had your 
cows were tested for tuberculosis and brucellosis   okay because those were zoonotic diseases so but 
as soon as you take this milk and you homogenize   it which made it better lifetime better shelf time 
because once the cream comes up it gets gum on the   top and leaves didn't like that when they took the 
cap off the bottle you know so they homogenized   the milk you can't buy milk where the cream comes 
to the top now so have it pasteurized if you   want used to be always pasteurized since Louis 
Pasteur invented that you know a long time ago   but the Cream came to the top on the bottles 
that were being Dairy the Cream came to the top   and then they homogenize you can't 
buy that anymore unless you go to a   Dairy and by the way it's against the law 
for your local Dairy to sell you that Raw but the reason is and you know this full well is 
because the corporate world the big food industry   they don't want you bypassing them so here's the 
problem with getting beef from the Rancher yeah   by the cow take it to an avatar get your name a 
cow a you know if you went to a Rancher and said   with if I bought a towel and paid you to raise it 
would you do that for me and then when it's ready   will you deliver it to a Slaughter plant 
an abattoir there's abattoirs all over   North America little avatars they're not allowed 
monologue by law to kill animals on their place   so they would have to come and do that this is 
the way we do it we have a wonderful butcher   one cow or bull at least every year goes 
to feed the people in the mustard seed and   I called our local abattoir guy that comes down 
and does an emergency Slaughter on the farm and   I said okay we have a bull with a broken leg our 
freezer was full I look after my family first but   then try to make sure that an animal instead of 
just taking it to the market if it's past its time   I get them and he takes it and put turns it into 
hamburger for the mustard seed and I asked him one   time this is this is how sad this whole process 
is I asked him how long how long did that bull you   took last time last at the Mustard Seed because 
every Sunday he was going and serving meals at the   mustard tea days Maggie what's the Mustard Seed 
starving yeah so sorry what's the mustard seed   is that some like custard seed is a it's a line 
for life that's to feed the Homeless right okay   but but this is what's happening in our 
country and in yours too in in North America   there's people dependent on and what 
are they getting at the food bank   they're not getting yeah a little 
garbage yeah you know they're getting   yeah so it you see I mean we've got one small 
chance to to get this straight and I'm trying to   I'm trying to give you all the information I 
possibly can from all these different angles   I want you to take this on Anthony please I'm 
trying to yeah I know and I know and here you   are still the brain surgeon like even sean 
does that now he's not I don't think he's   doing surgery anymore I don't think he is still 
is but you know if you want something get done ask   a really busy person so unfortunately yeah and 
you're the only one that got back to me anyway   Sean is I think he's he's so talk to him what 
whatever it is it's solve the problem of the way   peace about eating beef I know I need to eat meat 
I know I need and lamb and pork or whatever or   chicken but I feel like I'm doing the ethically 
wrong thing I think it's wrong and it's not   because if we don't have this animal 
input on our land our land to be we'll have to put more fertilizer on it more 
chemicals more of the things that are like   glyphosate is not the sort of thing you want on 
your brain people say eat green eat seed oils and   yet they don't want to eat the beef that's raised 
on grain like did you give your head a shake you   know seriously I I don't get the connection it 
grains so bad why are you eating it and serving   it to your kids it's cow feed it's horse feed 
it's sheep feed it's hog feed it's chicken feed   turn any one of those animals loose on the left 
where they bothered Oh They'll bust your fence   down to get into that barley that's what they're 
supposed to eat the deer are hopping over the   fences they don't have to break the fence the cow 
can't get get through get into there so we fence   them out because they destroyed Harley crop yeah 
well this is these are the problems and we keep   the young men who are and women who are willing 
to be the primary producer because if the feedlot   doesn't make money he can't buy the caps the guy 
that's raising the Calves if he can't sell them   enough to at least buy feed for those cows and 
then go out and have a part-time job so we family   and pay his mortgage you can't buy land around 
here this land this has been in the family for   almost 100 years now wow so not my family but 
my my husband I've I've lost I lost husbands don't tell me the cattle industry won't kill you 
Mac and I have been married five years this man is   amazing he is absolutely amazing and he's willing 
to come on this journey and put up with all my   crap and my cows he used to run the feedlot 
he's done there isn't anything he hasn't done   and and now he's taking on so you know I need a 
break I I it doesn't matter whether I've earned   it or not I don't care about that that kind of 
stuff and I don't even care about money but I   gotta pay my bills and this Farm is going 
nowhere because I have a grandson who's now   six foot five and he's just turned 16 and he's 
going to go to college first because he won't   come here to take over he's got some cows 
here amazing kid and he want he loves cows   so his dad who's a wedding farmer is saying uh how 
are you going to make any money you go to college   first and learn how to be a mechanic because if 
you're going to have cows you're going to have   to go and out to work in order to feed those cows 
because I'm going to do it even if Nanny gives you   the farm so how do you like them apples yeah you 
know I mean be angry with my son-in-law for that   Max's he's telling him the truth you can't make 
a living raising cows or chickens or Hogs very   very fine line and certainly not cheap people who 
have sheep Farmers always have a husband who's got   a full-time job I know Sandy Brock go on hers 
she's got 250 her husband works full time okay   that's crazy yeah she's got a million dollar 
outfit there that he's also got to pay for because   it's beautiful making it possible for her to run 
250 had to use by herself with one hired Hammer   I can't even afford to hire a kid to help me and 
there isn't any kid want to do the job that I do   my daughter I'm going to Colombia for two weeks 
and you're coming to the farm she's got three   kids and the husband at home and she's a school 
teacher and she did bless her heart she did so now   you know somehow we got to make this work and 
on top of that this thing going around in my   head about how do I convince Dr Anthony 
chafee to take on this other mission of   explaining to people why it is not only ethically 
right to eat beef and pork and that but it's oh   to keep the land fertile otherwise our land is 
being sterilized by chemicals and the wrong kind   of fertilizer and no tilt you just keep Mining and 
Mining and Mining grade five chemistry chemicals   can either be created or destroyed elements 
okay so if there's selenium in the soil okay   and you're putting sulfur in pick up sulfur 
before they'll take up selenium even if there   is selenium in the soil okay copper where are 
you getting your copper from do you know that   do where are you getting your selenium from an 
adult male needs 400 micrograms of selenium every   day if we didn't feed that to our cows we spend 
six thousand dollars a year on minerals from   because it's no longer in the soil on this family 
farm it's only been mined for a hundred years   only been mine for 100 years paw took the weed 
off and it went somewhere where where to go I   don't know China the states wherever but but 
their poop after they ate the wheat didn't   come back and go on to the land not like animals 
do you put it through the animal it goes back in   80 percent of what you put into that animal 
eighty percent of that six thousand dollars   a year that goes through our 100 head of 
cows and our calves goes back onto the land do you see we don't need to put not even 
nitrogen fertilizer on there or cows   all nitrogen you know chicken chicken manure from 
these so-called factory farms ever walked through   one of those factory farms there's bad Farmers 
everywhere Anthony there's bad parents everywhere   but if you're a if you treat your animals 
properly you'll have the law the SPCA the FIA that   everything against you and you could be prevented 
from having animals for the rest of your life   you're a bad parent you feed your kids 
crap and you beat them up nobody takes   your kids away they try to help you 
okay I mean that drives me crazy   that whole scenario that where where is this 
balanced and furthermore these kids wouldn't be   badly fed and they probably wouldn't be getting 
beaten up if they're parents felt better like   seriously it comes right down it's not just 
a physical thing it's a mental thing I mean   I mean if I had time I would like 
to go back to University and then I   think what the hell would you want 
to do that for because it's all   crazy now you know I mean I can learn more 
online in the last year I've learned Spanish like   we're having so much fun with this Duolingo 
on online and talking Spanish in the house   and the kids are just said mom you're 
just weird and I said well you scared   mom builds character so just get over it so this 
is the whole thing I put a lot on your plate no um well you know I've I've seen 
this so sorry go on just dump you I can write I've written books okay you 
know what I've written three books and I've   never published one because I don't write 
for that I write for me and then move on   because life is so full of Adventure and 
every day is it's like a freaking gift you   know to do stuff with yeah no your neurological 
search I don't know what you call it yourself   but you're you're dealing with the the most 
intricate areas of the of the uh nervous system   and now you've taken on this job and now I'm done 
a bunch more on your plate you know so um yeah   I'm not going to apologize for that I just want 
you to be able to do it and make you can do it   I will do anything in my power because if people 
get your message about carnivore eating and health   they also need to have the pressure put off 
of them about the ethical side of it and the   Damage that so-called damage that the animals 
are doing to the land they're not doing the   damage they're an absolute essential part of the 
because we killed all the Buffalo that wasn't   somebody that is alive spot that would just happen 
200 years ago they're gone from North America and   cows have replaced them but we've lost 30 percent 
of our cow calf producers in Canada since 2002.   one third are gone and the other two even in the 
Cattleman's magazine on the cover is Cal cast is   the cow calf industry worth worth it are we paying 
our bills okay if they're not then neither is the   feedlot isn't going to survive well I mean all of 
this down the line and then there's going to be   no B so a lot Dr Chase Now where's the meat yeah 
okay so I just dumped all this on you and and now   what are you gonna do yeah well I'm you know 
I'm gonna yeah it's um there's something I've   noticed as well you know you're right it's um 
I've seen some things in Australia as well the   abattoirs here they actually cannot bypass them 
you cannot bypass the you know the big sort of   corporate producers of meat you are not allowed 
to buy um you know beef or lamb directly from a   farmer in Australia you have to do a sort of 
under the table you have to know somebody in   in America you can you know so I bought uh cow 
directly from the Rancher and you can do that   if you go through a butcher you can do that 
as well in Del Source the cow but if you go   directly to a Rancher it's even better you have a 
you have a better choice you're dealing directly   with them they do better for it and you do 
better for it's cheaper than going through   all these successive middlemen and I've tried to 
do that here in Australia I've not been able to   um sometimes you can if you know somebody they can 
sort of Slaughter it there and then you just sort   of take it away and sort of as a cash deal but 
it's not actually you know legal and sanctioned so   um yeah and um as you have to go through 
an abattoir here um the reason for that   is because big business doesn't want that to 
be possible yeah exactly and understand that   yeah people have to buy the point is that 
you don't have to from the Rancher to get an   ethically raised beef all the beef is ethically 
raised yeah yeah because if it isn't the farmer   would be broke in two years because the cows 
contended wouldn't be healthy and if they're not   in the feedlot in that 120 days if they're not 
gaining four pounds a day that guy's going broke   and he's any million dollars worth of facilities 
there you know how powerful is in the winter   servicing a dozen hot water tanks so that all 
of my and have fresh water to drink so they   don't have to eat snow fifteen hundred dollars a 
month just for the power bill to heat those tanks   because I don't have a river that I can get them 
down and chop ice with yeah let my cattle think   out of a river so this is the thing you don't 
have to get it straight from the farmer there's   no better and is sitting right there in your 
grocery store and not only that the beef that   has spent the last 20 days eating a Perfectly 
Natural 70 grain that you're feeding your kids   by the way who are carnivores 70 grain ration for 
these uh long long yearlings for 20 days and they   marble and it it tenderizes the beef and it gives 
the consumer the fat that they need there's times   Anthony where I just put solid fat from a cow 
with butchered because they don't marble their   meat a 15 year old cow has not got marbled beef 
but she's got fat on her because she's well fit   so the fat is deposited kidneys just like a guy 
that could be skinny and still have a good big   belly it's because it's got all that fat in there 
well it's still in a cow that's still healthy fat   I will put that in the frying pan and just 
cook it up and just eat that because if it's   minus 30 with a wind chill blowing it could 
be minus 45 with the wind chill that's the   temperatures I have to work in and I need that 
60 minimum of my diet is fat it's either beef   Tallow done in a frying pan bacon or butter 
and then it's be because we don't eat that AAA   beef I can't afford to go and buy it in the 
grocery store so we eat we eat all cow yeah summer and I had to explain it to the kids and 
this is this is a bit of raw life he was 14 years   old his name was reserved he did his job from for 
12 years the last year of his life the last summer   year before last he had one cow disservice and 
three heifers he serviced how and he serviced two   of the heifers winter we had and the kids wrote 
on him like like my little grandkids would just   go and climb on him he'd come up to the fence 
and age scrub and they'd jump on his back and   he'd wander around and my little granddaughter 
who would be about seven or eight at the time   you know she just sit on him for ages so in 
just you know it was a good babysitter and he   and he would come up for pets and all of this 
sort of okay turned 14 and that last winter   uh we got a really bad cold snap it went down 
to almost minus 50 and an old bowl of 14 can't   shrink his scrotum up like the young bulls 
do they pull it up in cold weather all kinds   of straw is scrotum froze halfway up and in 
the spring I took my kids out and I said okay   kids this is what Reserve is suffering 
is this road and fell off and one of   his testes was literally dragging on the 
ground and I said come on you know you I   want to feel like this just happened and I 
told my daughter I said bring the kids over   because Reserve this is this is not right this 
is not right you can make an animal suffer for   for yourself if if you if you want 
because you love it so much but   there is a point where reality has to be and 
even said okay nanny you know and that was okay   you know every one of us here my daughter 
my husband and me and those three kids all   shed a tear because we reserve it come 
to the end of his line you know and he   so much and I you know I've still got a bowl 
working in the herd with one of his sons and I've   sold Bulls out of my breed also sell bowls that's 
part of to other ranchers because I know I spent   my whole life indenting or reading the perfect cow 
and Bulls that are for whatever you have if you've   got heifers to breed you need a certain kind of 
bull you still need to have production calves but   they've got to be able to birth them they're two 
years old when they have their first calf and that   calf has to slide out Like a Torpedo or you've got 
problems so I can breed bowls like that and I've   sold them and the kids that I've mentored in the 
business have bought bowls for me and I made them   deals because I I want them to be successful this 
is like it's when you see kids being successful is   There's No Greater Joy There's No Greater Joy 
in life than seeing kids I don't care they're   my kids or somebody else's kids but when you 
see kids you know being successful and they're   starting young families there's no nothing brings 
you great Greater Joy I don't care where you go   that that is the ultimate Joy is 
to see this anyway Reserve ended up   being made into I had 1700 pounds of hamburger 
freezer 1700 pounds not one bit of that is being   wasted my kids are all having they all know it's 
reserved they all love that bowl they've all got   videos and being on like even my oldest son was 
my um well I met what's my oldest son he's 50.   56 now my oldest boy and and then my youngest 
boy he was 40. no he's not I can't remember my grandkids come they have to wear 
name tags and say who their parents are   you know it's just ridiculous but you know they 
understand the real life this is real this is   reality and 98 of our population in North America 
totally removed from reality lost their hearts   their souls and their spirits and do you wonder 
why depression you wonder why 35 of the kids that   graduate from our high schools are on prescription 
drugs you wonder why there's an epidemic of ADHD and depression in five-year-olds you know if I didn't feed cows   properly if I didn't feed our animals properly 
not only wouldn't they wouldn't Thrive but   they wouldn't look healthy and they were healthy 
I said I think I sent you a picture of me in in   the yard the other day in a snowstorm with my 
arm around a tan cow I don't know if you got   it or if it went through it's 66. I can ride 
on her yeah she's a miserable [ __ ] you know   and she's given us how many calves how old is 
she uh 66 w x y z a b c d e f g h there's no I   okay J K next year's L all the tags on the cast 
will have L on the tag that's everybody like in   Canada has all their calves would be something 
a number and L they will be 2023 okay so how old   is she she's 14 years old and she'll stay 
in the herd maybe another two years maybe   usually they're gone by the time they're 10 or 
12. in my hurt because I breed for longevity   because that's super important you don't make a 
dime on account until she's had her third calf   figure that out kept her so you didn't sell her 
so who's going to pay that bill okay you kept her   mom for a whole year while she was pregnant 
and fed her and now you're keeping the Caps   you're not getting any money for that you have 
to wait years before she has a calf something   has to pay for the bull that you had to buy 
to breed her and all the feed that she's had   before she's given you calf number one okay 
so she's two and a half before you can sell   and that just paid for her that she was that you 
didn't sell her not all the stuff that's happened   before or after and then she has her second Cafe 
for all the stuff in between now she has a third   cap okay she's five years old now she's five and 
a half before you've made one dime on that cow   so making sense do the math it's easy math so 
this is this is the whole thing so you don't   think by the time that cow is you know nine 
or ten years old you're not in love with her   and you've treated her well so she's calm so 
she isn't going to kill you when she has her   calf because some cow a cow will cows are more 
dangerous when they have their first calf if   they aren't gentle and they feed it properly 
they will protect their calf with their life   against you if you haven't treated them properly 
those are just facts and every cow guy knows that   you don't go in there yelling and 
screaming at all this yeah yeah no   no that doesn't work with cows I don't 
care if you've got a thousand mama cows   or ten something pretty big branches 
3 000 headed mama called All of Us   and you love them they're not all named yeah 
well you have enough kids they'll name them   all that's just the way it's with kids you know 
they're just they'll name everything they'll name   chickens we have the three Golden Girls in 
our hen house you know they've all got names   so so if um have you ever just just as an aside 
um have you ever so you have the hamburger have   you ever you know had like an older cow and just 
like had them cut up in stakes and things like   that I did that once with a 10 year old cow 
best steaks I've ever had in my life dude's   best tasting meat I've ever had yeah yeah 
that because that's what we eat and I can   make a ghost in fact did get some of the cuts 
from Reserve made into those 14 year old bull   uh we didn't meet Chatty Cathy by the way she was 
23 and everybody was crying when she died she died   with hot water bottles and blankets on her she'd 
just been and she died with a four-month-old   heifer calf at her side at the age of 23 and 
that calf stayed in the herd for 17 years   but nobody in the family will forget chatty 
cat we didn't meet her besides she had just   gone downhill over the last three days before 
she died but however yes I've had 14 year old   Bowl roast okay put it in the oven cover 
it with bacon strips because it won't be   much fat on a roast especially if you're 
going to do the loins or that covered bacon   back to back bacon all the way across 
the top your oven I like my beef rare   I eat most of my beef blueberry and this is 
old beef okay so we use a lot of bacon and   a lot of towel to to put the fat on the top 
put it in at about 200 100 anywhere from 190 195 to 200 200 degrees put it in before you go to 
bed at night in the oven just leave it and wake up   in the morning you'll smell your 
kitchen will smell like roast beef   and then at about 12 hours after at between 
175 because 175 internal temperature is rare   but it's rare it's pink all the way through 
okay the Bacon's on the top you'll smell bacon   and you'll smell roast beef and there's your 
breakfast and it will be tender and it will   be so delicious and you will have brought 
honor to that 14 year old animal yeah like   yeah I absolutely loved it I thought it was it was 
probably the most um flavorful that I'd ever had I   tried like normal steaks like just from you know 
like like prime steaks from Costco and I tasted   next to it I did sort of a taste test I you know 
took it by the of the of the the prime New York   and it was amazing really good and then I had like 
the 10 year old cow also the New York and it was   just so good I kept sort of eating that like half 
of that like okay I'll try the other one now and I   couldn't even taste it I couldn't taste any of 
the beef flavor it was completely overpowered   I did it just tasted more rich yeah it's a it 
loses it you know it's um as as uh some person   that um I was speaking to said we've sacrificed 
texture for flavor you know or sacrificed flavor   for texture you know saying oh it's a bit more 
tough if it's older I didn't actually find that   I found that it was perfectly fine like if you 
overcook it and you cook it sort of medium well   well done yeah it's like a hockey puck but 
otherwise it's fine and like the gristle and   like the tendons and things like that oh those 
are just like whale bone I don't know what those   things turned into but like those are those are 
tough but it's even easier just to take that   gristle out now because it's solid now you get 
rid of that and you just have this soft fat and   the soft meat as well so I think the best thing 
in the world that that bristle too because they   will chew it up and they need that and and uh you 
know you're what they feed dogs they no wonder   um that will tell you the average lifespan of a of 
a retriever is nine to ten years yeah you know try   17 18 years yeah it used to be yeah 19 years old 
still going you know my little girl she's outside   now past she's eight and um she wouldn't she's at 
night time is when she wants to cuddle but uh so   she's outside and it's cold out there but she's 
tough and they eat meat they actually have the   horse meat and and this is we waste nothing yeah 
and if I shoot a deer or a moose nothing is wasted so as far as the the um middle meets I only like 
um liver calf liver um but we we do eat if well   we had a cast that got out and got hit by a truck 
and smashed his leg and I I got him back in and   in into the fence gosh only knows how I don't 
know whether somebody gone through the gate   or whatever but anyway that's what happened to 
him and uh so we butchered oh we only weighed   about 600 pounds and he didn't have he had fat 
on him because he was still nursing you know   um I think he was about what five months old 
or something in a good solid calf and uh we   butchered him out and the meat had absolutely no 
flavor in it and there was no no marbling because   deals have that marbling it doesn't have the 
flavor or anything like that we're not wasting   it by any stretch of the imagination and we did 
eat the liver and the the tongue and the Heart   yeah but when that's gone I mean that's that's not 
necessary it isn't it it's it's a nice additive   with um with eggs like if we have what we call 
[ __ ] eggs they're they're just like a soft a   soft scrambled eggs we'll put for mac and me a 
dozen eggs goes in we we do that we have bacon   and then we'll have liver and that that's a super 
super breakfast it's just another variety to have   but you're absolutely right I mean I don't mind 
that we have weed I feed only I literally can't   afford to buy um these fancy rib eye steaks 
that Dr Baker talks about or you know I mean   we don't have an off-farm income so this is 
it you know yeah if you don't pay into it you   don't have it and as a farmer you can't see you 
don't have it in the end so there's basically no   no pension you know it's all right and that 
that's not why I keep working though it's not   that's not I keep working this doesn't work this 
is life this is living but I'd like to see that   you're going to convince kids to be there and do 
the job they need to get paid for it and I don't   know I don't know how we're gonna do that but 
the more people eat beef and demand and get off   of the junk food and stop spending and wasting 
their money on the crap in the grocery store   and just demand the meat yeah yeah I think that 
that's I think that's a very important part of   it is just getting more people aware of this and 
aware of these problems and then just you know you   know uh making noise you know you make political 
noise you know there's a lot of there's a lot of   barriers uh in the way and and things are becoming 
um more difficult they're getting these you know   the the fake plant burgers they're getting the 
bug Burgers they're investing billions of dollars   into this sort of nonsense and that's because they 
wanted to return on investments so they're making   a lot of noise they're putting a lot of uh Lobby 
money and things like that everyone says like oh   you know big big cattle and big beef all they're 
they're doing there is no big beef there is no   big cattle it's ranchers like yourself that are 
doing this and then um and then these other giant   multinational food corporations that um that are 
uh you know that make more money out of the fake   meat and the plant-based crap than they do out of 
anything else and so it's just a matter of getting   people aware of this and and picking up that 
demand and if that demand goes up and these people   say like okay hey look the money's on this side 
of things we're losing money on this well they're   going to either wise up or they're going to lose 
their their shirt so and hopefully hopefully both   um you know but there's there's crazy things going 
on politically as well you know a lot price of   land is going crazy I don't know if you have to 
pay property taxes on that that would be insane   because you know as the price goes up you have 
to pay more taxes and so you basically have to   you're renting your land from the government which 
was never a thing and five thousand dollars a year   just well that's and that's you know um yeah which 
is ridiculous and like in California they had to   cap it I think it's prop 22 or something 
like that where they they basically like   you pay property taxes at the at the value of the 
house that you bought um but as you know because   because it was it was taking people out of their 
homes with people being there like my grandmother   um was in uh you know Montecito California just 
in Santa Barbara and a beautiful property it was   like 10 acres there um you know Steve Martin 
is one of her was one of her neighbors Oprah   Winfrey was down the street from her this became 
a very very very valuable area and so if she had   to pay taxes on what it was worth when she was 
in her 90s she would never she would have had to   move out when she was in her 70s you know she was 
living she'd lived there for 50 years and um you   know and so it was you know I think you know after 
that it was it was um you know valued at much much   more than that and so it was uh you you just would 
not be able to do that in in Seattle you know my   parents in King County you know they're living 
out as the value goes up and up and up their   taxes go up and up and up which is ridiculous as 
well and um so there's those barriers with the   land but also just just little stupid laws that 
they brought in like um uh in Australia I don't   know if they I don't think they've done this but 
they were talking about like in Queensland which   is the major cattle producing area in Australia 
they they are talking about putting in like a   methane tax for these cows well they produce this 
much methane that damages the environment now you   have to pay it was 3 500 per per head of cattle 
that is as much or more that these people make   for that entire entire life cycle of that cow and 
so that that obviously isn't going to work um that   just is just immediately going to put everyone 
out of business because you're not just going to   say okay well I'll double my price now these other 
people will be like no we're not going to do that   um and um and of course that's another thing that 
people don't don't recognize as well that it's   like you say it's the bugs that are eating that 
you know so so that that feed and the grass and   the you know everything that the cows are eating 
they aren't eating that they aren't they aren't   getting nutrition from that the bugs in their gut 
are the bacteria are and as a byproduct they put   produce fat and die off and and our proteins so 
the cow is absorbing that fat protein it's the   bugs that are eating the fiber and just as a part 
of breaking down fiber from those bacteria they   produce methane and the the thing is that people 
don't realize is that if that that plant material   is getting broken down by that bacteria in the 
rumen of a cow or on the ground because it's just   sitting there dying it's still going to produce 
that same amount of methane because it's the it's   the bacteria breaking down the fiber that produces 
the methane so that's going to be produced   regardless and that's what people don't understand 
and they're now they're trying to put people out   of business and this this this that you you've got 
to handle on all of this Anthony and I I just um   I'm I'm Amazed by it and it's just 
my my daughters is staying home   um you sound really happy and I said well I am 
so I don't know if they'll get I don't know when   you're going to broadcast this or whether this is 
or you're going to have to cuddle the whole whole   lot of I'm not going to cut anything we'll just 
well it doesn't matter to me but if you do this   um because serious I kidding about this 
and I'm I'm not just saying this to you   you guys are going down in history 
because you are like poor old doctor   um but well that's cool that's okay I'm already 
doing more than that like I you know I I read   that book it came out years ago gosh I was 
still still a kid I don't even think about   how old I am sometimes I I just forget but but 
he didn't go far enough and then he and then   he killed himself basically by Falling I don't 
know how he I think he hit his head and and uh   Dr Atkins yeah yeah I think I think he like just 
like slipped on some ice or something like that   and cracked his head and he was actually brain 
dead before you dead I don't know whether it was   I think people say he had a heart attack it's like 
oh Atkins always died of a heart attack like no   he didn't that's that's complete garbage I don't 
know where these people get this stuff but they   just they just make up a lie and then they repeat 
it and repeat it and repeat it and then all of a   sudden you know people people take it up I even 
saw it on on Dr huberman um he was interviewing   uh Professor uh Palmer from Harvard and he wrote 
that book Brain energy which is all about curing   psychiatric issues by changing people's diet and 
fixing their metabolic Health which is amazing and   um and they were talking about you know Atkins 
because Dr Palmer had done Atkins decades ago and   it had really helped him and so he said oh well 
you know Atkins all that's interesting but you   know he did die of a heart attack and that's 
what people are saying it's like so so even   even Professor huberman who's a very intelligent 
very uh well-read and well-versed individual uh   sorry nobody corrected him well 
I I tried to make a comment on it   um but you know but that's the thing that it's so 
popularized these things get repeated and repeated   and repeated until people just go oh yeah that's 
what happened and they never look it up and so   you know and and I see that in medical textbooks 
I swear to God I see so many things and if you   trace back the origins of it it's like based 
on nothing it's complete garbage and there's   and there's a lot of that and so I look out for 
that sort of thing but you know I mean I didn't   I didn't know that until until someone said it 
you know I was looking at these discussions oh   he died of a heart attack I'm like I don't know 
about that and someone said I was like no no we   didn't here's a link blah blah blah blah and it's 
just like okay there you go um but you know it's   it's uh you know it's what the Nazis did you know 
they said you know tell the LIE make it big and   keep repeating it until everyone believes it and 
that's just and that's just yeah and that's just   how propaganda works you just keep repeating a 
lie over and over and over again and people will   start to believe it uh for whatever reason maybe 
because they just believe it or maybe because they   um you know have a have a vested interest in 
believing it it confirms their bias you know and I think part of it is to with 
where are the critical thinkers like   I have had much to do with or associated with 
that that took my interest to to well my husband   is one of them he's a real critical thinker 
but I I took it for granted everybody would   think about something if they were going to 
believe something that they would actually give   it some thought and do some research the point is 
that they can't they young people have brain fog   their brains aren't they have they're born with 
all this potential and then from the from their   mother's breast to this horrible diet your their 
brain they're brain dead I I mean they could have   huge possibilities and and potential but on a 
day by day basis if you don't feed that brain   it's still tissue it still needs to be fed 
yeah and if you're feeding it what it needs   it's not going to function so people don't 
question they don't do their own research   God I mean I I could talk to you that all 
this time on just BSE on bovine SpongeBob   encephalopathy that killed our industry in 
2002 May 20th 2002 when they found a a cow   would be in in you know worldwide the the concern 
was all over the world that bovine spongiform   encephalopathy would bring on yakov's disease 
because they're very similar this is not zoonotic   I studied with I have a foot high of 
information on this we're done but it   served the purpose of the corporate world to let 
especially with the controversy between Canada   and and United States everybody's 
trying to keep their beef industry   to themselves and promote it and so this became 
was allowed to run with it and it's a TSE it's   not a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy 
proof they're done in the United States and   proof they're done in England by Mark Dr Martin 
One Moment One Moment I'm just getting a call   so okay um yeah very sorry um but uh something's 
just come up but um thank you so much uh Maggie   for taking the time to speak with me I think 
it's um well I found it very very interesting   and I think it's very important for people to 
understand what the life of a Rancher is like   and what the problems some of the problems that 
that you're facing are and the realities of the   situation that it's not just about getting people 
eating the right thing but there are some real   barriers in the way of people being able to eat 
the right way even if they want to so I really   appreciate you giving your perspective and telling 
us your story and also just being an example of   someone who's been living as a carnivore for 
you know 60 70 years and and raise 10 kids uh   in the same way and showing that that actually 
this is not only uh viable but you know optimal absolutely and I thank you from the bottom of my 
heart for taking this on and and listening to it   because without the background it doesn't really 
make sense and people look at life a little bit   differently and and look at their own potential 
yeah and the only way they're going to develop   that potential is by feeding their bodies their 
corporate bodies because you can't have the heart   and the spirit and the energy and the mind and 
the will to do anything without a healthy body I believe that there isn't a disease years ago 95 
of our diseases were proven to be diseases yeah   and who said we're supposed to die at a hundred 
like I I I can't my bank manager said Maggie you   got to live to be 125 to pay all your bills and 
I said yeah well that's that's just that's the   plan okay let's go for it and so we do it and I'm 
not being facetious about this I mean I don't um   what Mac and I have and what we do uh I'll go 
to 30 year old yeah I I I'm not saying I'm not   bragging about it about putting myself on any kind 
of a level I'm just saying these are the facts   and this is what you feed your body properly you 
can do and anybody can do this yeah anyway that's   great you have to make sure that there's the beef 
there Dubai that's it I 100 agree well thank you   so much and hopefully we can do this again and 
maybe sometime I can visit your Ranch and you can   show people exactly what it's like to do that I 
built cabins for my kids because outgrew the house   um so if ever you did a a 
young girl I don't I don't know   um no we've had people honeymoon here and 
and it is in the summertime this place is   absolutely beautiful like it's incredible it's 
and so is the place in Columbia by the way I bet and the people there amazing Anthony I'm Not Gonna 
Keep so I know how busy you are bless your heart   I I'm I'm overwhelmed with your your ability your 
time your generosity spirit that moves me as like   if I'm not your mom but my golly I am so proud 
of you I oh thank you well I really appreciate   it well thank you you could say well this old lady 
is really proud of me well okay well that's that's   where I am but I I'm yeah I'm approaching middle 
age as far as I'm concerned and and I mean that   quite yeah well I think I think in a real way in 
a very real way you are I mean for you know we're   designed to live you know 120 years so you know 
you are yeah yeah so all right anyway well thank   you so much yeah all right well have a good night 
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