Reversing Crohn's Disease with the Carnivore Diet!

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something that's added or is this like a naturally occurring thing it's a it's an opiate analog so you know it's not like um you know it's it's not morphine itself but it's you know similar enough and it hits on those morphine receptors those opioid receptors and so could could potentially slow down the the motility of your gut which is how opiates cause you to be constipated because they just slow everything down they dry out more but that of course that's not on a carnivore diet right because if you have enough fat in your diet there'll be fat in your stools and it doesn't matter how long it takes and um but also the you know sort of an addictive nature to it you know and a calming soothing sort of experience that uh you may be beneficial to you know uh babies nursing and things like that of course and I guess it sort of explains why people get so upset when you try and take their cheese away you know a problem yeah well you know and there's something you know that and the carbohydrates or you know one or the other is anytime drinking raw milk like I do not want to stop and so that's that's a problem for me and so I you know I have to be a big boy and recognize that and stay away from it yeah and it's hard enough to get raw milk in Australia anyway being like illegal or whatever like how crazy is that yeah it's probably easier to get meth you know like it's I'll go talk to my neighbor bro yeah exactly yeah it's crazy how that works like there's certain things that are are more criminalized than than like actual illicit drugs and uh it's just it's like it's like food you're like why why why do you care what food I eat you know yeah it's very strange oh man and that's why like I don't know if you guys have been following some of that world economic Forum stuff with about the the meat and I heard some guy talking about he wanted to reduce up to like a billion people eating meat and direct them to nonanimal Source protein to a higher protein it's more tastier protein he didn't say I'm assuming it's crickets or something but yeah or or just that nonsense plant-based prot that's that's dying out too it's whatever he's invested in I'm sure you know whatever whatever companies he owns that's probably what is is good for the world to to go towards you know and uh and getting a billion people in his market share I'm sure that's exactly what he feels very strongly would be good to happen yeah there are other compulsory products that um with big margins that that have been pressed Upon Us recently as well and um and you have to kind of follow the money back and it all starts to make sense doesn't it yeah well I think that's exactly what's going on with with trying to sabotage the prices of meat and you know something like a dozen different um animal you know slaughterhouses processing plants abars in America like just randomly burned down like in the span of a couple weeks I they just all just randomly had electrical you know short circuits and things like that probably not I mean you never know but I mean it's it's a pretty strange coincidence and uh and and all these other other factors and weird taxes that are coming into play to make meat obscenely more expensive um there was one in Queensland they were talking about uh putting in a $3,500 per cal um methane tax so all this methane that they're producing $3500 and I was talking to a Rancher and he was just like that is every single penny that we sell a cow for how much cow costs that's it and so you know you know that that they're making no money or they basically have to double the price of everything so instantly bang that doubles at at the price of the of the Rancher which is going to you know once it goes up up the chain with all the different middlemen and things like that and getting added uh added costs and things like that it's just going to you know quintuple and so I think that that a lot of these these people are heavily invested in things like beyond meat or whatever have some sort of agenda somewhere and um you know the beyond meat stuff it it's it's still way inefficient and it it still costs twice as much to put on a shelf and they have to sell it for twice as much so just instantly right there like they've got to think of ways to get this more expensive because they're like well you know we have to we have to compete we have to get this competitive but instead of making their product better or getting their product less expensive they're just trying to sabotage meat and make meat more expensive that's my that's my suspicion anyway it's just a bit odd that all of these things are happening at the exact same time and um just as as an aside on that methane thing that's that's a bit of an absurdity because the cows don't make methane first of all they're not creating matter right it's the the breakdown the degradation of fiber that produces methane from the bacteria so it's the bacteria breaking down the fiber and producing methane as a byproduct as well as short chain fatty acids which the cow then then absorbs and they burp out the the methane um that methane is going to be produced either way because if that fiber is just falls on the ground and gets degraded naturally it's the same it's the same bacteria breaking that down you know termites Get It Whatever whatever animal gets it whatever bug or or bacteria get it it still comes down to that breakdown process and it produces methane so regardless of where it happens the breakdown of uh of um cellulose turns into methane unless you burn it and then it turns into other things and that those are the two options you either you either feed it to a livestock or the farmer Burns it to make way for the next next year's crop so what do you want you know I mean this is this is um this is a bit silly when you're when you're taxing a natural process yeah it's Madness yeah I mean there was no Buffalo tax when there was 60 million Buffalo rhyming States hundreds over 100 million yeah you know and you're you're gonna tax um uh plants at night when they produce CO2 yeah they do that bushire taxs imagine how much carbon comes out of a bush well we probably tax the politicians that don't know how to you know you know deal with Forest man uh management ex you know we should do that you know like well in wa they do that you know they clear out brush and do little small FL burn out the things before it builds up too much New South Wales they don't and so they had that massive massive massive set of bushfires and it was a catastrophe it an absolute disaster that doesn't really happen in places that that they manage their their forc life like that so and why if they talk about regenerative farming like when when does that come into the picture where it's actually helping the Earth and you know like don't hear this this argument like people just saying like yeah it's cows farts and burps are the things to scared of now and you know but I feel like I'm I'm with you man it's beyond Burgers it's these these Elites these corporations they're the things to be wary of not the cows man yeah there was a there was a good uh meme I saw someone say uh someone post um that said uh said that you know they're saying that cows are bad you know for the environment they have a picture of like a bunch of cows in a field and they're like cows are the environment what are you talking about and you know they they want to replace this natural process with a bunch of you know chemicals and and processed garbage that you know whether or not it's good for us which is not you know it's it's still an industrial process you know you're saying and this is to to save nature this is to try to help the environment this didn't exist in the environment this didn't exist in nature this is all brand new stuff and so you know it's it's it's strange to say that this helps the natural process when it has never been the natural process you know and um you know people are just getting you know goated by this and and sucked in unfortunately you have a lot of very very well-meaning people that get very very hurt and physically upset by these sorts of things and they go out on on these Crusades um you know the these like different vegan uh people and animal rights activists they're like this is evil this is cruel and all these sorts of things like maybe you know and there there's there could definitely be way of ways of improving things especially in certain places like in Asia they are pretty horrible to their animals um totally on board with that but they forget the other side of it where what's the alternative you know compared to what what are we comparing this to what are we doing this to because when you compare it to animal you know food monocrop agriculture you know that's devastating to the environment 55% of borneo's rainforests are gone now they've replaced it with palm seed uh oil crops and and and the vegan sort of proponents that are you know sort of puppeteering these poor people that have are very well-meaning are saying oh well you know it's not it's not really what it looks like you know they're taking down trees sure but they're replacing them with trees so same same absolutely not that is not an environment that is not a robust uh ecosystem and the animals are dead now like you know the the amount of orangutans that have been killed and those rainforce is ridiculous because they bulldoze these trees down all the animals and orangutans fall down to their death and they have a horrible time dying and they're run over by tractors and things like that left for dead that's terrible and that's been going on for decades you know to grow plants not not you know Farm beef um and then there's animals that come in and mess with those crops they get killed you know they don't want you messing with their crops because that that's money and so you know there was a University of New South Wales study in 2011 that showed that um to produce one pound one kilo of animal-based protein you know versus plant-based protein you had to kill 25 times the amount of sentient animals to produce the kilo of plant-based protein so you're actually making a far greater impact and and devastating animal lives much much worse when you when you go uh for plant Agriculture and um and you first of all it's not bioavailable it's not um as nutritious but also just not as good for the environment it's not as good for the animals like there's no there's no perfect system like something has to die for us to live that's just the nature I wish it wasn't so like that would be great but you know that's not the case you know and we do have to do something so we can do it the best we can and I agree you know regenerative agriculture you know that that's returning nutrients to the Earth and and and allowing ecosystems to to survive and thrive H you know um Alan sa's proven this I mean he's he's he's literally reversed deserts all over the world it's reproducible he's been doing it for 40 years teaching other people how to do it and it works every time so when you have you know an experiment that you do and you publish oh that's that's great normally you have people the peer-review literature used to be someone else would do it and they would copy your experiment and say yes this is reproducible this actually works and uh peer review process is is completely corrupted now but that that used to be part part of it and and you you would confirm yes this is this is actually true you know we this is reproducible and so that's something you usually need at least at least two of those so you have to reproduce it so sabre's been reproducing this for 40 years himself and others you know uh in independently so I mean this this helps and this works and this is something that you know people say it's like well you can't you can't support you know all these billions of people just on me it's like I'm sorry but like that's the only way we're going to support them that's the only way we're going to support the planet that's the only way we're going to return uh all these nutrients to the ground and and Revitalize that uh the ecosystem that's it that's the only way you can't do it with plant agriculture or anything anal it's animals that's it all these animals can live amongst each other as well you know you can have chickens and goats and pigs and all sorts of things and cows in the same padic and yeah and and sheep and cow eat different kinds of grass you can have them in the same pasture as well they do very well with the you know the uptick in veganism and vegetarianism is it a coincidence that autoimmune disorders and diabetes and Cancers and anxiety and depression this has all gone up like it's to say we can't eat eat meat like to tell me that now when I've actually got a reference of how good I can feel and how much I can Thrive like there's no way I would be going back to anything else like it's it's meat all the way there's there I honestly feel there is no other way right yeah well I mean especially when you're when you have an illness like that you know it's it's and I do I do agree with you I mean we we see this this massive increase in in prevalence of autoimmune issues and other diseases and and people say well we probably just didn't notice it it was probably already there it's like well you clearly never lived with one of these diseases then you've clearly never had a family member with autism you clearly never had Crohn's or UL of colitis or rheumatoid arthritis oh you probably had rheumatoid arthritis whole time you just didn't notice yeah I bet you know idiot and like I mean that's just an insane thing to say and what about obesity you know we just just didn't notice that that you know 30% of of people in Western countries were morbidly or not morbidly obese but overweight or obese I mean we just didn't notice that we just didn't we just didn't check no no of course not that's ridiculous and so you know yeah this is um uh I think this very very clear and you see in vegan populations uh that things like you know mental uh mental disorders and other diseases they're much more prevalent autoimmune issues as well and autism is much more prevalent in vegan and vegetarian households so uh I think there's a a direct causal link uh to that eating the wrong thing and getting the wrong problem right you know you have a you know zoos they have those signs in the parks that say don't feed the animals you know and they say okay because why because it makes them sick you don't feed them right it's always been funny to me you don't feed the animals the thing you're eating yeah you know wouldn't you think about that I remember thinking about when I was a kid I was like don't feed the animals don't feed the like what I'm eating like that's a weird thing to say you know and um you know and and the information is right there it's all it's right there in front of us and it's just you know we just we just aren't looking at it did you guys ever um at any point in your Liv go vegetarian or anything like that at any point no you um no I've always been very big on me you know like one time I did watch there was this this movie called faces of death which sounds a lot more dark and horrible than it is was pretty dark and horrible but the purpose of it was it was this pathologist who said like you know we're so separated from our food we're so separated from Death you know it used to be that this was this was something that people knew about from an early age you know they would you know kids would be at wakes and and um you know and and different um know funerals and they see the body laid out and all these sorts of things um and you know people lived on farms they produced their own food livestock and and so forth people knew about this and he like we've sort of gotten away from that I think that's actually damaged our society I think it's important for people to see these sorts of things and to understand it and I actually think he's right on that you know big part of the vegan vegetarian movement is they're just like so a gas that anyone could hurt an animal like well if you had to do this yourself like you never would you really you never would just like the entirety of humanity did forever you know that's how people did it people did kill their own animals they they grew and raised and and slaughtered their own animals that's how it worked you you know like oh you would you would never hurt an animal if it was you you just want to play with it and cuddle its little face you know maybe you know but people do still hunt every single day you know and so that's a bit silly so in this that movie they they showed a lot of these things um and some of it were like you know people just being stupid and getting too close to animals in like yosity or something like that and getting taken out it was like take on on camera which is was pretty rough to see and then others were slaughterhouse and they like showed these things going on and it's like that's a lot to take in when you're 13 you know oh my God I remember thinking I was just like okay yeah maybe I just don't want to eat meat I think that lasted in the afternoon you know and like and I was just like I was just I was like oh well you know and I was just like I'm like ah yeah we're having chicken tonight so I'm probably gonna eat that you know and um you know yeah didn't last too long but you know I understand the sentiment i c I certainly understand the sentiment and I wish there was a nicer way to do these things but unfortunately there's not but you know the ways the ways that we have in slaughter houses are as near instant death as as it is possible to get at this point you know and and you know that's something that people have always recognized um you know Native Americans and other other people all over the place you know when you would hunt you'd kill an animal you'd say a prayer for it and you'd you know you know thank it's spirit that it's you know giving up its life to feed your family um you know this is where things like you know halal meat and kosher meet comes in thousands of years you know uh especially with kosher of saying prayer and thanking blessing the animal before before you kill it because it's important and people respect and understand that so um you know I think that uh you know it's it's a it's a very good sentiment well it's good to be back I think we should I should do some sort of intro we've got Scotty brizzle um here who is a comedian and a carnival joining Dr chaffy and myself uh and we're just taking the conversation wherever it goes I there's no structure hopefully my internet will be there we just we'll just keep going well we should we should we should um sort of up and ask yeah Scotty tell us a bit about yourself and how you how you came to carnivore and why why you did so cool yeah I uh I guess I've I've been sick for a lot of my life but I just didn't really know it um I didn't have that reference point of um how good I could feel so I thought just having gut issues joint issues skin issues anxiety and depression was just normal that's just what a [ __ ] life is you know but um I soon learned that wasn't the case from you know all my other friends and that just thriving so um but I was also brought up on like the standard Australian diet so just [ __ ] like refined sugar carbs processed packaged food like uh I remember one time uh doing sport for school and we went down to the basketball courts and um everyone's bringing out their water and their Gatorade and that and here I bring out like a 1.25 bottle of coke and um yeah I was that guy and the coach the basketball coach was so like that look I'll never forget that look he he burnt through my soul with that look you know and I see why I don't blame him so that was um a lot of my sort of uh early at days um severe reflux on proton pump inhibitors from an early age um you know that that was just the norm and um it sort of really kicked off about five or six years ago though when I um I was at this food Carnival right and I rocked up after work so I was late and they just had this like chicken wing eating competition but like with hot wings so this chili sauce they had on there had the three hottest chilies in the world so like Carolina Reaper ghost pepper Scorpion and so I rock up and this one guy's like hey man do you want a chicken wing and I'm like hell yeah I love chicken wings and I I grabbed that thing man and I annihilated it and before I knew it I was in the worst pain I've ever experienced in my life man like it was I already had gut issues before this but this felt like it just stripped everything you know I I didn't sleep that night um the worst gut pains I've had almost in tears and literally the next day I wake up and my life is completely changed like all these Foods I could previously eat I couldn't eat anymore like I was having reactions to everything and uh turns out I developed some some crazy histamine salic gluten uh and dairy issues so all these Foods I would just attempt to eat that I normally have I was just wiped out and I'm like what so I just can't eat food anymore is breatharian the the way of life now and man like it it was it was insane and I I went from Doctor to doctor to naturopath to naturopath and uh they eventually figured out that I had stebo small intestinal bacteria overgrowth which yeah I've heard a lot of [ __ ] about that so I don't even know if it's real um but yeah I so they I had that um my IBS was apparently just severe now than than you know it was just moderate before and uh and yeah so like I developed all these issues they put me on all these supplement protocols um and I spent thousands on supplements over the years and herbal extracts and that just to try and get better and it got to a point where I just felt so helpless and lost and you know I would get better and then i' would go to [ __ ] then I'd get better and then it would go it would be horrible and like to points where my entire body was like I was the embodiment of a red rash you know like my torso my face my back my groin and it like it was those moments where I'm just like you know what I can't do this doctor thing anymore like I didn't know doctors like yourself Dr chaffy existed I just thought you know this is insane no one's helping me no one wants to help me so I just thought i' would take it into my own hands and started listening to a lot of podcasts and taking advice from yeah people like um like Ben Greenfield I was doing a lot of the biohacking stuff back in the day and uh and yeah so then cut to about what a year and a half ago or so I was doing Paul saladinos animal-based diet so I was just doing uh fruit honey and meat but I wasn't thriving at all like I was still messed up man and like yeah I I just didn't know what was going on because food was so limited and I'm like well what's the what's the problem like I'm on this animal-based diet and um then I actually come across one of your videos Dr chaffy on Instagram and that's when I got the the remembering of uh seeing sha Baker on Rogan's podcast in 2017 um and then oh yeah sort of around 2019 I tried carnivore for two weeks from MAA Peterson and Jordan Peterson yeah so they were the ones that sort of got me really into it so I I jumped on the bandwagon but two weeks was just insane to eat only meat back then and so I I didn't last very long and yeah then I've gotone on the POR saladino thing and then yeah come across your videos Dr chaffy and I started doing just I guess you call it the lion diet and man like all my symptoms started to clear up again like the skin issues went away the the joint pain the anxiet like the big one anxiety like it just just beautifully and that is one of the biggest things I noticed cuz you know when you've got anxiety all the time and you're in like flight mode that honestly can [ __ ] your life up man and especially when you stand up comedy you know like you're you're already at alltime panic mode and you're about to perform to 200 people like it was hard man and like having diarrhea on stage and like just trying to hold it in and like don't do it man not in front of these not in front of this crowd you know like I know maybe that would be biggest gag yet you know maybe they just love you know they were a few times I'm like yo I'm about to [ __ ] myself I got to get the [ __ ] out of here you know but um but yeah man and now here I am over six months doing Carnival um I I have dabbled like I don't know if you guys do the same most likely not definitely not but like say the other day about a couple weeks ago I was like I wonder what honey would do to me right now and I had like the smallest little smidge on my finger and I felt like my thyroid was going to explode man like it's it's just insane the reactions and how how um how sensitive I am to these foods that I was eating all the time back then but like now I actually have a reference of how good I can feel and man there's no turning back for me like I'm on the train yeah well that's the thing too like yeah people people don't realize how bad they feel until they get off it that was exactly my thought when I got off this stuff when I look back at how how amazing I felt now and compared that to the rest of life and realize like I felt like garbage my entire life that's not okay and you know talk to people like well you know I'm not really having any health issues I actually feel pretty good so do it I was like you don't even know how bad you feel like it's it's you don't even I have no idea and then yeah you're right it does get worse you know you you get more sensitive to these things a you're seeing the contrast you're like I don't want any part of that but also you know you just get you know just like any other uh you know like drug or alcohol or anything like that you become more sensitive to it you know you you build up a tolerance for these things over time and then when you're not eating these things you're not exposed to them you don't need to produce the the enzymes and things like that that break these things down you toxify them as uh you know to such a degree because you're not in carering yet your body's very efficient at that and so yeah you do notice a lot more and so sometimes that can be very helpful to people when they slip up and go ah is it that big of a deal they start eating something yep yep nope that's a big deal nope don't want that and uh you know so uh it's it's good that you you came across it I'm the same way like I some of those things slip in I just not having it like for instance I was over I I was over at a friends and there was they were like cooking dinner things like that and um uh they had some like pieces of chicken there or whatever and like I was just like oh was that it didn't look breaded but had sort of something I was like is that bread or anything like that they're like um no no I don't think so I think it was just you know sort of fried up I was like okay so I had like literally one piece of this stuff and like and like I'm sore today now like I went to the gym I'm normally not sore like it's not that bad but like I noticed it it's not it's not what I what I normally feel like I normally have no pain you know my back pain you know there's no back pain no stiffness now I'm just a little bit sore a little bit stiff and I'm like that's [ __ ] there was crap on that chicken and so and like it does that to you and um you know this level of soreness wouldn't have batted an eye at this you know when I was like playing rugby and things like that I would have thank God for this level of soreness so it's not like it's that's out of control but I notice the difference and you know when when you go from just not having any of that in your body and you know have not have any soreness and stiffness that's that's nice that's nice to have that it's nice to not have pain all the time you normaliz it h yeah you do yeah well you have to because it is normal that's your life every day you're in pain so you just you got to suck it up and deal with it you know I was going to say yeah I've done the exact same thing with like you know a bit of potato with dinner something like that um and you're just like the instant bloat or like you know having too much Dairy and you just it sort of reminds you it's like I used to feel bloated all the time I just feel bloated after every meal and you know and then lethargic and then a bit of a headache and all that sort of thing but when you go without it for so long it's just it's such a shock when it happens yeah it's it's not nice and you're not understanding why you're just like wow I'm just I'm just sore today I'm not really feeling good you don't know what's going on but now you kind of do you know now you can associate that with things that you're eating and re recognize that like actually these things are really actually causing harm you know it's interesting I think it's a good reminder too like it's a bit sadistic but I think yeah it's it's a good reminder because like yeah a couple months might go by and I'm like oh yeah this is normal and yeah I have a little bit of honey and I'm just knock for six for like not even just the next day it's a few days man like um I remember had coconut water oh it was a couple months ago now but um yeah instantly anxiety skyrocketed for and it stayed there like that for probably like four or five days afterwards for 250 Ms of coconut water like yeah and and you were saying that you had like IBS and things like that what other sort of issues were you having um that have have since cleared up or have they cleared up well I talked to a lot of uh like doctor mates here and they suspect that I might have Crohn's but because I just bail yeah I just bailed on the doctors I never found out because I was just like look I'm out of here I don't care what I've got I'm GNA fix this myself very stubborn and um and yeah so that could have possibly been a thing but I've also got a a bone disorder called osteocondritis dcin that I've had since a child and um so that's been a big factor but um even like vidigo that I didn't realize that I had um that got really bad when I was you know uh eating grains and and whatnot and I just started getting all these like white patches over my over my arms that wouldn't go away and and I realized oh this is like an autoimmune thing um uh same as rosacea I've had rosacea on and off since teenage years uh py risis Rosia I've I've had that uh on and off as well so like a lot of a lot of skin issues but um I've had leaky gut like for long periods of of my early adult life um but yeah and then just the anxiety and and depression uh pretty constant through through adolescent days too so but mainly the gut stuff man that's been the worst because like there's been periods of my life where you know I've had diarrhea for six or seven months straight and nothing can you know figure it out so it's like you know people were telling me oh dude you're gonna have a a weeks worth of carnivore diarrhea and I'm like man that that ain't nothing that ain't nothing man like you try half a year of diarrhea like yeah so yeah it's a lot of the gut stuff that's been my biggest thing but still a bit of a mystery but a spectron okay has that gotten better oh yeah yeah significantly but um as I was telling you when the the zoom cut out um that wagu steak that I had that is like that brought me back to the old days of how just nauseous and sick and uncomfortable um I could feel so that sort of brought me back too just like having a 250 g Wago steak um so yeah and like man I am world's world's aart better like it's it's night and day how good I'm feeling like I'm running 5Ks like most mornings now that wouldn't even be a a thing you know back in the day because like my bone is sort all my knees and my my ankles are just jacked but um up at 5:30 run by the coast for 5Ks and I'm like what's next you know it's yeah it's it's World depart man how different I feel and um yeah there's no turning back for me like I I I finally feel my my Optimum and that's probably stacking other things like doing a sauna a couple times a week and doing ice baths a couple times a week so like stacking certain lifestyle choices um so it's probably a mixture of all that but it's obviously meat that's that's healing me and I've I do have a I think a bit to go like I'm not there because years and years of illness is probably not going to be fixed with six months of Carnival so um yeah I'm like yeah but I'm I'm Leaps and Bounds ahead of where I was for sure awesome and the and the vidigo has that filled in yeah filled in on my AR oh you got Marcus really here so you can't really see it but it's um it's in a lot of my arms but I've still got Speckles all over my legs but it sort of just looks like you know a cool little universe so it's not not that bad because but I had like patches on my arms that were going like really white so but yeah most of them have filled in that's really cool you know that that was something that I heard a friend of mine uh in Europe they actually said they they just follow me they didn't tell me but they were like they ended up trying carnivore and then they told me like wow I feel so great on this and actually my gigo went away you know and and started feeling in which is crazy you know I mean like because you'd think that like once those you know melanocytes are dead they're not going to come back and there you go they do uh or they can anyway apparently and so that's that's really really cool like the I would have expected the process to stop and the antibodies to go away but it was very very interesting to see them actually regenerate and and and produce uh pigment again which is really cool and it's it's it's fascinating like you know the more and more and more people that do this the more and more problems that we see actually get better Auto I I've yet to see an autoimmune issue that doesn't it doesn't get better which makes me you know very very uh confident that it's really a direct cause of eating the plants and producing an immune response to some of this garbage that that are in plants like the lectins and so on and uh and you remove those and your body stops making antibodies simple you know and you don't get that cross reaction yeah so do you think it's like just a a buildup of toxicity over the years and then boom you've got you've got Crohns or you've got you know bigo because of it's just a builtup of like all the I guess toxins that are in you know the plant defense chemicals and whatnot it's hard to say exactly what's going on but you know I think one of the the competing theories that I think is you know probably you know describes things better than other other theories is that is this idea of molecular mimicry where your body will react to certain things like lectins or certain lectin and or other molecules that the plants use as defense chemicals when they get through into your body with you know from leaky gut and things like that and they're not supposed to be in your body they're not supposed to be in your bloodstream in your system but they get there and your body recognizes these things as foreign objects and you know potential you know foreign pathogens and so it mounts an immune response and attacks them and for whatever reason you know you have some sort of genetic similarity that or or or you some genetic predisposition that makes some of your protein some of your something on the surface of certain cells um similar enough that those antibodies sort of stick onto them because they're mindless they know they don't know what they're doing there's just a chemical that goes out and it reacts to certain things but it's very specific for specific uh um you know molecules and so that's close enough that it sort of half partially sticks to something on your the surface of your cell and it tags it as like hey this thing has to die and then your body attacks that um but you know it used to be that people think that molecular mimicry your body would get sensitized through those antibodies to one of your own self antigens but that that never really made sense to me because your your immune cells don't really have the ability to attack your own cells they go through a rigorous process when they get they get made go the bone marrow and the thymus and things like that they they don't get let out if they respond like they they're introduced as these immune cells are maturing they are introduced to a lot of antigens in your body and if they react to any of them your body kills that cell so your body's doing this very very carefully and so you really shouldn't be able to react to your own cell so what and it also fits because um that your body is just attacking these other things and mounting immune response to that and part of that immune response happens to have a partial effect on your cells as well and that's also evidenced by the fact that when you remove these foods and you remove those lectins and other little things that this is reacting to the autoimmune condition goes away your body stop and the antibodies reduce and eventually go away and so you know we see that I see that you know all the time we have dozens of Hashimoto patients Hashimoto thyroiditis where you can actually measure the IM um the antibodies that are attacking your your thyroid and uh they go down just goes down go down down down down steadily down and then go back to normal so you know that's that's what I think is going on and so for whatever reason your body is maybe fighting this off not really doing too much with it or maybe you you're you haven't damaged your gut lining and your body enough to allow all these things in in enough numbers that your body can react to it it's hard to say I don't I don't think we have a very good answer for that yet on why things start at certain times and not not at others for people but I think that that's the process is that our body is reacting and responding to something and mounting an immune response to that thing and there's overflow it's just making a whole bunch of antibodies that just get into your system and hey you know it sticks onto this thing that's not meant to be it's trying to suck up all the lectin and things like that that are around but that happen to stick to some of yourself and when you get rid of the lectin you stop producing the antibodies they stop having that overflow sticking to your cells and so that's what I think happening I had the similar thing with histamine that was my my big thing and like so I could eat histamine foods and it would be fine but when it reached that Tipping Point and um I obviously have an overflow of hyamine it took me like a few weeks to recover from that even though I was eating bacon last week with no problems I'm eating bacon today and I'm having the worst GI issues you know irritability all the all the symptoms you know and um yeah it's just amazing man yeah you got to be careful with with bacon too just because they they generally do add sugar and things like that and just pork in general like obviously um uh you know if you've been eating it before and you've been having a good time then that's you know that that's reassuring but a lot of people with autoimmune issues have have a real hard time with any amount of sugar any amount of anything like that but also with pork chicken fish eggs egg whites certainly and dairy in general you know and and um you know like you you mentioned Michaela Peterson I saw her talk about a video in a video um maybe last month where she said uh she cannot eat pork at all that that actually gives her a worse flare up in reaction with her with her rheumatoid arthritis than fruitwood you know and so so that's actually a big trigger I wonder she I free ranch that has been you know eating a more natural diet I wonder if she'd be okay I guess in the states it's hard to find I would yeah I um I would I'm very you know I think I think yeah that that that that probably is the case I'm very suspicious of what is being fed to Pork and and chicken and things like that and like the eggs that the the chickens come from what are they being fed there something cheap some cheap feed and uh you know especially when they have to keep them sort of contained and and uh you know Barn rays and all these sorts of things I mean they're not in a cage but they're not out foraging either you know and that's that that is hard to do on on a large production scale um but yeah so I I would just imagine I imagine most of it has to do with the animals eating you know like like you were saying Scotty you do great with beef you do great with meat and then you had wagu which is you know fed tons of grain and sugar and beer you know from birth like that's what it's eating and that's how it gets all that intramuscular fat you know that's what's happening to people when they eat all that stuff too they their you know their biceps look like Wago steak you know which is why bodybuilders who do that you know they're not really gaining anything by that they're actually hurting themselves because their muscles certainly aren't going to be as strong or as robust not going to be able to work out as much you know if they don't have a lot of lean masses just clogged with fat and um you know so what that cow was eating to get that marbling you know obviously that's not what the cow was meant to eat either and some of that's going to translate to you and you had that big reaction you know and so you know a pig that's just eating what it's not supposed to eat the whole time like it's probably going to give a reaction too yeah it's really interesting though because as I was telling you I've got access to like all these great farmers markets so I've gotten pork and chicken that have been well marketed as pasture raised and like I I do trust these guys too and um every time every time par raise chicken or pork it annihilates me and you know I love myi and just no hot sauce but you I love my and um it's like I get a pretty severe reaction that takes me days to get over did they um did they tell you what they're feeding them do they give them any feed or they just forage animals apparently they're just foraging out they getting the bugs and the grubs and the insects and and whatnot but yeah yeah like I would have to assume that they would be getting some form of like grain at some point because you know if you've got yeah if you've got a whole lot of chickens and you know like there's only so many bugs on the ground that you know yeah I don't know yeah yeah it's hard to hard to do that on a on a production scale um that's another thing too like with pigs they're generally given slop you know they're get given like you know food waste from people and restaurants and things like that that's that's what pigs are given a lot of the time and um I don't even know what what a pig's supposed to question you know I think they're bit omnivorous I know they eat people sometimes you know so maybe people people are their natural diet yeah it just reminds me of those mob movies man that's what I went through straight away yeah yeah well and um you know my grandfather you know grew up on a farm in the Northwest and um or sorry in the Northeast and um and he said that that was just that was just part of farm life that you knew you did not let kids go near the pig pen you know and little little kids little toddler you know you had to keep an eye on them if you had pigs because they were dangerous and little kidy little Timmy would go over and look at the pigs oh these cute you know fuzzy pigs like oh that's so cute and you just you'd never see Timmy again you know that was just you just knew that because they just just Chomp it down man they just they wanted that they're massive too they're they're ginormous you know yeah they're very big and big mouths you know big teeth big Jaws you know that crunch down a kid no problem and and people like I think everyone who's seen snatch knows that you know like you know all the things you have to do you have to take the teeth out take all jewelry out but it can crunch through bones and everything like that you know and um and uh yeah and there's like some sort of qu like how much pounds of meat how much pounds of of like people like a certain cow would do so like so this many pound person you needed this many pigs to finish them in this many hours and it's just like okay and who are you apart from someone who clearly feeds people to pigs you know um so Scotty what what exactly are you eating I yeah no I'm it's pretty much exclusively beef and lamb um but a bit like uh michaa Pet's mom she could only eat lamb I think I don't know she might still only be able to eat lamb cuz beef reacts to her beef would react with me as well but um you know when I got a few months into Carnival cuz I was eating only lamb when I started the this last intint of Carnival and it took about what maybe two months and then I introduced beef again and it was fine so um yeah it's pretty much just lamb and beef is is my diet I might like maybe add I don't know some Snapper piece of fish like once a month or something like that but even still like the to meain levels in that can sort of uh do a number on me and yeah so it's just you know I hear people like say like Judy Cho say you know bring some bring some fish in the mix for for the good fats and that but and like I listen and then I get a reaction and it's like oh man just stick to beef and lamb like there's just nothing else that compares and there's there there's you know I mean and I think Judy would agree like introduce some fish for those who are able to you know and um you know but if you're getting if you're getting beef uh especially like you know grass grassfed finished beef uh plenty of good fats in there tons of good fats and um you know there's a lot of people like you know like uh you know the Andersons like Charlene Anderson and her husband who I'm blanking on the name they've been eating exclusively beef ribey for 20 years 23 years 25 years at this point and and thriving and doing really really really well you know raising kids completely on rib eyes you know and uh and doing really well because of that and um so you know you can do it you know and there's certainly plenty of people that just eat beef and you know all the people that were living you know sort of in the middle of of continents they weren't really buy you know major water sources with a bunch of fish available to them they're just eating beef you know or or Mammoth or whatever you know and and doing great you know so I think you do fine you know just just eating the meat that you are are able to and it makes you feel good and uh you know that's it you know just just listen to your body it's amazing you never get sick of it either like I I still crave like you know I had um a nice little lamb roast just before like half a kilo of lamb and fills me up for like a little bit but then like I I crave it again that that fat and and protein like I've just eaten it but I'm craving it again it's it's the it's it's amazing like you never get sick of it ever ever yeah yeah and I think that's I think that's because your body's telling you it wants those nutrients you know I think that's what that is um there's other things that you want because you're used to it it gives you comfort um you've acquired a taste for it or it's an addictive substance like sugar and carbs but you know there are there are things that give that positive response because they're good for you and so I think that that's uh that's why you never get sick of it is because it just it's always tasting good because your body wants it but when it you know your body doesn't want it it doesn't taste good you know and so I think that's that's a good judge and marker of how much you're supposed to eat as well yeah I just feel it so that's what I was just going to ask you guys like what's your meal frequency and like what's how much do you guys sort of eat um yeah I'll um I'll jump in I was eating like three times a day um up until recently we recently chatted with Asher from Primal Wellness last week and he was telling me how he eats breakfast and then dinner and because I've been working I've been going into an office regularly lately um like I haven't wanted to not to skip breakfast and then maybe skip lunch and try and make it through to dinner so I've just said all right breakfast and dinner and it's been working really well and I just kind of like eat till I'm full I'm usually not that hungry in the morning but I'll I'll try and eat as much steak and eggs as I can and then I'll just wait till dinner so I haven't eaten since I've gotten home today and it's the afternoon it's like 7 p.m. um and that period's been great like just having a you know two breaks from eating you know while I sleep and then morning tonight so that's working for me now uh yeah I tend to eat once a day usually if I'm working out a lot then I'll need to eat more but um usually you know just get like a whole bunch of you know fatty steak and until I'm full and then I'm good I'm good for another 24 hours or so um I E surprisingly less than people would expect you know for like someone my size and um you know that that definitely goes up when I work out when I'm when I'm lifting a lot then I I definitely need more uh to to to build muscle mass and to maintain that muscle mass like I'm I'm sort of like 105 kilos now and I like to be when I'm working out heavily and regularly I'm usually R 110 and you know very toned and I like that like like so it's like 240 uh pounds for people that don't do kilos and uh but I have to eat I have to eat to maintain that probably like two kilos a day to maintain that and do and and go to the gym and otherwise even just like 105 100 like I I maintain that pretty easily just on one kilo a day and um you know so I mean I eat less than some like old ladies that like join our group you know six pounds a day Jesus a lot more than me you know and um you know but I think that you know they're coming from like a nutritional deficit and their body's just like oh goodness yes get this in you you know and they're trying to they're trying to repair a lot of things whereas I me I've sort of been in a steady state for years now and I'm just you know my body's just working and I think that's where like I've been because I was doing three meals a day and probably eating half a kilo each sitting and um yeah it felt great it felt fine but uh quite similar to you Simon I've gone to breakfast and dinner and that's just seems to be 2 meals a day spread across the day like feels fantastic and same thing maybe like a half a kilo in a in a sitting like a steak or you know lamb roast or whatever um but yeah I think like what you were saying you've just got to listen to your body eat till you're full and yeah like it does the work for you absolutely cool all right well we better wrap there Scotty thank you so much for joining us today and um no worries hey one last question I seen the podcast with you guys and Adam kaver have you guys got on the the blue testicle yet shut up oh dude that's hilarious oh my God yeah who makes that that's so funny oh dude it's grass-fed too so like it's grassfed bull testicles I it work well yeah man honestly it gives you this like vitality and vigor that you don't feel it could be place but honestly man gives you this like oh this this extra extra kick and I there's people like um I'm watching liver King at the moment because he's gone Natty now um hasn't he was he he said he was I trust him I trust the internet yeah yeah he's eating like two pounds I think he said two pounds of bull testicle a day spread out over the day that's because that's because he stopped all the HGH and and testosterone you know also B testicle extract that he was in injecting into himself of testicles that's hilarious I'll have like yeah I'll have like four four capsules or something like that's that's plenty for me bro but um whether it's Placebo or dude you feel it that's hilarious oh that's funny no I have I have not tried that um but you I mean you know bull testicles you know it's going to go it's going to go there it's going to go in your your hot dogs and and and sausages because they got to use it for something you know they they castrate these steers every year and they've just got millions of these things just running around so um they gotta go somewhere you know and that is too funny but you I've never seen a testicle for sale anywhere thank God not shape either it's not shape that's so funny um that's what where where where do where does it even buy bll Tes where do you buy that you know ball store no questions put the nuts in here no questions asked you know no yeah no thank you I think I think I'm fine with with Stakes I'll just stick to that no thanks so much guys it's pleasure thanks Scot you're a legend no worries man yeah yeah thanks for going on buddy yeah and if you if you if you really want the real experience you there's every year in Montana in Missoula Montana uh when they when they castrate all the the you know the Young male cow and the Bulls and the um you know Rams and things like that um they have What's called the testicle festival and they just have I swear to God and there's just like all these like like um like food trucks and things like that just like serving up you know roasted sauteed grilled balls you know and like and uh and so people just go there and they just they have this whole big Festival they're just eating testicle and testicle related Foods you know W Absolut hilarious I don't know if I could I don't know if I could do the real deal the real thing put it in a capsule yeah I'm I'm good but like I don't know about the real deal man that's a bit that's a bit wild you gotta get straight from the source you know just just rip it off yourself you know and like the Adam Kavanaugh get in there I'll let you know how I go if I do all right all right see you guys cheers