Special Guest interview w/Vinnie Tortrich maker of of Fat: A Documentary 1&2, and Beyond Impossible!

done okay this is dr anthony chafee with the plant 
free md podcast i'm very happy today to have a   celebrity fitness trainer speaker and podcaster 
and best-selling author of fitness confidential   vinnie tutoric he is the creator of three now 
documentaries two being first two being fat a   documentary one and two which were excellent and 
the upcoming beyond impossible vinnie thank you   so much for coming anthony thanks for having 
me on this is great i feel like we're becoming   friends you were on my show just last week i 
don't think we put that episode up yet and uh   i can't wait for people to hear you and hear what 
you're up to and uh now we're doing this so this   is great yeah no i i totally agree and like yeah 
i really enjoyed uh coming on to your show that   was a lot of fun i'm sorry that the i was having 
connection issues and uh we had to cut that that   off but hopefully we can keep doing this you're 
great yeah yeah you know as i said to you in an   email after you know it just folks it just got a 
little crazy right at the end because sometimes   zoom does what zoom wants to do but um you know 
anthony will be on again and again i i knew right   away that he would become a nina taishos or gary 
taubes or some of these people that i have on   repeatedly so tune in for all of that yeah well 
i'd love to and that'd be great um so i just want   to go over um your first two documentaries quickly 
um but watch these things the fat uh documentary   one and two these things for me are crucial to 
the discussion because they cover so many things   that are historically accurate and so forth but 
they they uncover you know the the truth behind   the misinformation that's been propagated over the 
last at least 40 years but really really instilled   over the last 40 years but going back probably 60 
70 years and and this has caused you know the you   know the detriment of of the world health uh you 
know and so everyone's gotten fatter and sicker   and so forth um you know what what brought you 
you know to to make those films in the first place   you know being in hell i've 
been in health and fitness   since college you know that that's where i 
went to school to to study and you know and   no one was fat in 1980 no one was fat 
yeah it it it was the beginning of it   but when we look back we started getting fat 
at that time yeah i didn't see it you can't see   things in real time or you can sure look back 
and go oh my god this is when it happened and   i feel like in my entire life as a professional 
i've i've watched one crazy thing after another   you know the example i like to use is in the 1970s 
my grandmother who i don't think made it past the   fifth or sixth grade they were very very poor and 
they had to work on the farm and everything else   and my grandmother and my great-grandmother who 
barely spoke english she was italian um they knew   that if you ate carbohydrates you got fat and this 
is before we had engineered foods you know there   were some engineered foods but they knew that 
bread will make you fat they knew that too much   pasta would make you fat yet somehow 1980 comes 
along and we start hearing from the powers that be   you know that you can't get fat if you eat 
carbohydrates and i was like well wait a minute my   entire childhood this is all i heard was hey don't 
eat too much bread you're going to get fat don't   eat too much pasta you're going to get fat you got 
to eat your meat yeah you got to eat vegetables so   in in 1983 i think it was i was in i used to go up 
to aspen to train the rich and famous now you got   to remember this is 83 there weren't many train i 
was one of the first trainers in this country that   was out there training celebrities and and rich 
folk and i get to ask aspen i can't remember it   was 83 or 84 it's one of those years and everybody 
was reading this book that summer it was called um   eat to win by robert haas and i'm taking these 
people up 13 and 14 000 foot peaks and they're   going oh no we're we're going down the mesolunas 
tonight and we're going to just eat pasta yeah   you wha what's happening again oh 
then you're invited come on on us and it was like the meal was a a plate of pasta 
now i grew up in an italian household yeah pasta   was on the side you always had fish or meat 
or shrimp or something and then you had pasta   just to fill out the plate and you had some 
vegetables there now the plate was was pasta   like a pie i'm doing this in the in the video 
it's a big pile and i would raise my hand and go   um is there any any shrimp scampi with it you 
said scampi i just assumed the shrimp part but   yeah oh no no no cholesterol shrimp shellfish 
cholesterol this is your meal and i'm like what   what i'm like looking around to see if there's 
like a hidden camera i'm like what just happened   what just happened today and every night everybody 
wanted to go eat big piles of rice and pasta the   sushi became a big thing back then you know sushi 
really wasn't around oh you we we're going to add   sugar to rice so it'll stick onto this piece 
of raw fish and i'm like am i being punked yeah   so we're doing this whole thing and the book 
eat to win every and so i finally picked it   up and read it one night it took me two 
nights to read it because i fell asleep   i read it and this guy robert house was going oh 
you know fat burns in the flame of carbohydrates   and the more carbohydrates you eat the more fat 
you will burn your body's got to take the fat   from somewhere and i'm reading this stuff going 
is is this a joke book i kept flipping it over   to see you know because everything i learned 
at tulane was like now completely out the door   according to this book and everyone was following 
it but that was the 1980s your question was more   where did it start in my mind it started then 
but then when i did the movies i realized that   oh we put this in place a long time ago 
and we just started working towards it   yeah it was always you know i i really liked 
it because it was very logically presented   it was very straightforward you know and it 
just really took you through step by step you   know you know this is the history this is what 
happened this is what happened next and it built   up and built up and you could really actually 
see you know a clear timeline and progression   on on what the hell happened and how the hell 
we got here because you know it we're a far cry   from from where we were even in in the 70s you 
know um like you say you know the the obesity   rate was much much lower you know if you look 
at uh national statistics in america it was six   percent but by bmi six percent at the end of 
world war two and 1980 was eight percent in uk   was six percent and six percent and then all of a 
sudden everything started you know wildly changed   i think it's you know like 40 now or something 
like that um and something insane like that um   and and i thought that it was you know an 
excellent depiction of all of these arguments and   and arguments in the fashion that i think are most 
that are most convincing you put it in a logical   straightforward way you know you talk a lot about 
the evidence behind you know cholesterol being bad   for you a lot of it being correlative as opposed 
to causative and this is something that a lot   of people miss because they see the headline you 
know eat lancet says you should do this therefore   that's it you know it's appealing to authority 
the authority said it therefore you know it's true   um and and that seems to be something you 
uncover quite a lot of by the sound of it   yeah you know we we have the world's best example 
now because of covet right and i'm look i'm not a   covert denier or anything else but i i look at 
if you want to look at what government will do   look no further than covet when it first came 
out we all heard hey this is covet 19 and   man if you even come within 20 yards of it your 
dad yeah if you get it you're dead um everyone   you know when when a package comes in from 
amazon leave it outside in the sun for a week   i'm not making this stuff up this 
was on on the news yeah whichever   you're watching you know whether it's right wing 
news left wing use doesn't matter you got to leave   it outside for a week if you buy eggs you got to 
you'll wash the eggs before you put them away and   and people had these tables outside of their homes 
you know washing stuff and leaving it out and and   spraying it down and then they said you you have 
to wear a mask and then immediately after that   folks this is government telling you this don't 
wear a mask it doesn't help i'm not making this   up if you go back to the beginning of covet you 
could go find this old footage wear a mask don't   wear a mask now you can only wear a mask if it's 
an n95 mask with a proper seal on it otherwise   nothing else will matter right and then it 
became no no we were kidding about that you   can wear the little cheap mask that looks like 
a diaper in your face with big gaps on the side   that works just as well wait we were wrong 
about that you need to wear two of those and   wear something that looks like a welder's shield 
in front of your face anthony am i making any of   this no none of it up yeah all of that came from 
government yeah all of those mandates came from   government that's the same people who started 
telling you what to eat in the late 1950s yeah   government so if they got this wrong can you 
imagine what they were getting wrong in 1958   yeah exactly well you know speaking about that 
like i actually found uh you know general american   medical association jama uh paper back in 1956 
and it was it was talking about how well you know   it's generally accepted in the medical community 
the cholesterol contributes to heart disease   but they were like but this is based on really bad 
information these are based on really bad studies   it was it was a 12-page paper just excoriating 
all of the different papers that that supported uh   cholesterol causing heart disease and so this was 
a hotly debated topic at the time and you know as   you show in the film which i think everyone should 
watch is very clear-cut just shows people exactly   what happened um in in this you know in this story 
um you know then all of a sudden you know the usda   you know makes these official recommendations and 
so forth like that's it you know discussion over   you know play time's over you know teachers 
come in and told us what the answer is so   it completely discredited you know a lot of people 
like you know um junkin in uh england and so forth   he was a major proponent for sugar causing uh 
heart disease and he actually ruined his career   after that because of that um you know as as to 
the mask it is funny because you know as a surgeon   um we we know that there's actually no evidence 
to suggest that wearing surgical masks prevents   or even changes the the um the infection rate for 
sterile procedures there's none and in fact there   was a there's a study in i think the netherlands 
showing that actually randomized controlled trial   with mass and not wearing mass during sterile 
procedures didn't change a thing absolutely   statistically significant did not change a thing 
and then there'd been about a dozen studies coming   out afterwards showing that you know mass really 
don't do anything for the covid um issue and and   you know and yet you get hospitals mandating you 
wear these masks and i i just thought that was   absolutely ridiculous especially wearing the 
same mask over and over again when we go in to   see a patient we need to wear a mask first of all 
we're wearing very different masks and second of   all we're taking off all of our ppe and changing 
it out you don't go from patient to patient to   patient you don't wear these things all day and 
you know so some of the nurses were were getting   bugged at me because i wouldn't wear a mask just 
normally so why aren't you wearing a mask and i   was like well you know you know it's not the right 
kind of mask and and they were saying what with a   mask on their face well of course i know it's not 
the right kind of mask but we're all doing it so   you should do it i was like you don't have to do 
it i'm not doing it just don't do it you know it   doesn't make any damn sense and and you're right 
you know when you get you know the government   telling you these things i mean maybe their their 
intentions are in the best invested places but   you know they may or may not be right and you 
know people have to be able to make their own   decisions you know we're not in a dictatorship 
and we shouldn't be you know uh yeah you know   speaking you know speaking to that you know i 
went home to take care of my mom she she broke   her shoulder during covet and i didn't want her to 
go into one of these convalescent homes so i went   home to take care of her and um you know i was 
talking to him and said look whenever you guys   whenever you get better and you you will be 
going out to grocery stores do not trust the   mask and my mom was like well you know and both 
of my parents were educators they were like well   it's got to help to some degree i said let me 
show you something they have a guy that's been   working and cleaning up their yard for years and 
he smokes and i called him in i said hey could you   come in here for a second and uh he came in the 
house and he's good friends with my parents i said   do me a favor light up a cigarette and he goes 
like right now i said in the house yeah yeah   we're good we're good no one's gonna die 
of secondhand smoke yeah just light up a   cigarette and i want you to take it in i want you 
to second and i want you to start walking and just   blow it out through your nose and everything 
you do so he does and he walks across the room   my parents are in the audience they're watching he 
sucks in some smoke and he blows out through his   nose and through his mouth and he just plumes in 
front of him yeah i said okay put a mask on yeah   chuck in put a mask on i want you to walk the same 
walk it was actually worse because it wasn't just   coming out in front of him it was now bellowing 
out the sides right yeah i want you both to look   because you're going to walk down the grocery 
store aisle thinking oh because that guy has a   mask on i'm now safe no no no no it's not just 
going out in front it's plumbing out to you   look at the smoke and see where it's going that's 
that's what's happening in real time that's what's   happening in the grocery store don't trust it yeah 
and you know our parents said how do you think of   things like this it's like i don't know it's not 
the guy standing in your yard and he was smoking   and i figured get him in here just to try and 
experiment and it failed miserably yeah and you   you look at what we did with you know you 
talked about the studies from 1956 right   it's a perfect allegation because in 1956 we 
were like well this is bad but we had ansel keyes   who was trying to push the opposite of what 
the formatting yucking was trying to push over   in europe yeah ansel keyes was a bully a big 
bully and his first kind of stronghold he got was   in 1958 our president had a massive coronary and 
he was a beloved president yeah and uh so he lived   and ansel keyes comes in and says it's from all 
the red meat he ate no one ever mentioned that   he smoked north of two packs of cigarettes without 
a filter every single day that was just left right   off the table yeah it was meat not you know the 
stress of the job of running the free world and   smoking north of two packs of unfiltered 
cigarettes daily yeah right that's it yeah   so ansel keys got a stronghold and that's when 
he started really putting the screws to yudkin   calling him a you know a nut and uh charlatan and 
everything else and people bought into it because   this guy kind of like dean ornish with president 
clinton all of a sudden you get a strong call   you're in with the president so you're you're 
a cool guy right we don't think these things   happen but that's how they happen but keys really 
really really didn't get his stronghold until   1969 i was at 68 when the democrats decided hey if 
we give if we could come up with some way to feed   poor people in this country they'll vote for us 
which is hey if i was running for something i'd   do the same thing how can we do this well we 
need to come up with food stamps but we can't   just throw these food stamps at people everyone's 
going to start yelling we need to do a study so   the mcgovern committee started meeting in 1968 to 
study food stamps and whether we should do this   well again ansel key sees an opportunity 
and he gets onto that committee   the committee meets folks for 10 years i'm not 
making this up yeah they meet from 1968 to 1978   by the end of it well they had food 
stamps long before the committee ended   but it turned into a fight of what's better 
carbohydrates are saturated fat at the end   and i show this in fact a documentary it's a bunch 
of politicians literally doing this at the table   throwing their hands up going i don't know pick 
one and they they said okay we're gonna go with   you know low-fat as being the best way to eat and 
one someone stood up and said i don't think we   should put this out to the american people until 
we study it and they all just got up and went   we're good yeah you see the film right i'm 
not making this stop yeah i have the footage   of this in my first movie they're going yeah 
whatever we're good we're moving on we gotta go   do something else and that was the beginning of us 
becoming fat and sick as a nation yeah um you know   it's funny you mentioned that when i was watching 
um the first movie found a documentary um that   reminded me of a of a study um that thomas sowell 
i don't know you're familiar with thomas sowell   yeah a little bit yeah yeah guy's brilliant he's 
absolutely amazing and he and he you'd really like   him too because like he thinks along those same 
lines like we ask questions and probes in and say   okay what's the real story here what's actually 
going on and the guy i've never seen anyone dig   deeper to get to the bedrock of an issue than he 
does it's really interesting to read his stuff and   and one study he was talking about something came 
out you know one of the major anchors uh came out   you know walter cronkite probably not him but one 
of them was just like you know like you know today   you know you know 20 million children are going 
to bed hungry it was like this big dramatic thing   and so they started making all these pushes these 
political pushes and so you know soul said like   okay you know being battle hard and you know 
world weary sort of person i went and you know   requested the study and looked at it how they came 
up with the study was they looked at everyone who   financially would qualify for food 
stamps and government assistance   and subtracted the numbers who were on it and the 
difference was people who were hungry you know so   if you if you made less than this amount that they 
felt you deserved food stamps but you weren't on   food stamps therefore you were hungry and one of 
the hungriest counties in in america was a very   you know big agricultural community and everyone 
there like the workers were you know part of their   wages were room and board and so these guys were 
eating steaks and corn and all these sorts of like   the things that they would grow and so their their 
income in dollars was below this certain amount   so no one was there so the hungriest county 
in the in the in the country and and it was   it was just it was just absurd you know so 
you get these studies that say x conclude   x and then you actually read the study and 
it's just nowhere near that i got really um   sort of you know i sort of came across that when 
i was actually quite young with the who i read   every single who study that comes out and if they 
if they or especially something contrary to what   i think is uh you know what i think i know to be 
true um and i'll read it and sometimes especially   when they they'll show the the conclusion but 
they don't actually cite the study you can't   have a link to it i'm always very suspicious of 
them and one of them was it was always saying that   because you know i've i've you know practiced 
and and worked in you know multiple different   countries now as a doctor and just even traveling 
as as an american in europe you know you're sort   of behind enemy lines everyone wants to take peace 
out of the americans they all americans are this   americans are that and most people just go along 
with it but i was never wanted to go along to   get along so i would be like okay really how go 
and i would make i would challenge them and make   them back up what they were saying always medical 
care healthcare would always come up and they say   oh well there's this you know the who says that 
you know the u.s is is ranked this you guys suck   well yeah they do rank us that way but if you 
read the study it's very different so um when i   was in medical school there was a study that came 
out i think they ranked us 37th um but but no one   actually read the study and said well they rank 
us that okay but what are the criteria because   some of these things are very subjective there 
were five criteria if i remember correctly one   of them was access to doctors you know wait times 
uh surgical outcomes medical outcomes outcomes   of cancer and so forth and all the major major 
sorts of things access to mris and and so forth   um and then and and us was number one and that and 
that's what people think you know when they say   oh here's this study you're ranked 37th they think 
you're 37th in actual medical outcomes but it's   not we were ranked number one for that but the 
other four they sort of watered it down i don't   remember all of them but one of them i do remember 
and they were all sort of similar to this was what   percentage of the lower 20th percentiles medical 
expenditures do the upper 20th percentile pay for   and the answer was who gives a [ __ ] because what 
does that have to do with your mother dying of   cancer or not right right yeah so you know you 
always have to check these things and and you   sort of lay out a lot of those in your movies as 
well it's just like this is this has nothing to do   with anything you know all these epidemiological 
studies um you know to jump over to beyond   impossible which i you know i just just watched 
it was absolutely terrific i think you know in   the same vein as fat a documentary one and two 
this is something that these are things that are   very very important they're factually correct you 
have the video you have people talking about them   discussing them and not just saying here's the 
headline read it and weep but actually saying okay   what does the science say what did the study say 
how is it done um that um that uh you know in that   jesus i lost the tragedy but anyway you you know 
you do talk about like all these different sorts   of um you know studies and epidemiological studies 
coming out of harvard these massive massive   databases and that's what all the nutritional 
data is is uh coming from and so you know we   know this because of this there's all from these 
these harvard epidemiological studies um which are   which are flawed can you talk about those for a 
bit yeah you know it's we live in a day and age   now where salacious headlines are everywhere i'll 
give you the perfect example to lead into this   last week we talked about this in my monday 
podcast um the headline was tom brady who we   all know is 44 and still tearing it up well except 
for last night when the saints shot him down yeah   um tom brady eats an 80 vegan diet and 20 percent 
meat and i went okay well that's just not true   because i've looked at tom brady's diet you know 
everyone wants to know how a 44 year old is still   competing at a high level i've looked at 
his dad and that's just simply not true   before anna just throw this you know anna's my 
co-host she throws it at me on the air and i said   adam before you dig in let me guess what they did 
here and she goes go on i said i'm going to guess   that i said i'm going to make it simple they 
said 80 20. i'm going to say he had three   vegetables on his plate that's 75 of his meal 
or maybe it was rice and two vegetables says 75   and you take the fourth thing is meat and that 
is you know 25 i can easily squint and make 75   25 80 20. you're right in a ballpark and i said 
i will bet that the meat is the major thing that   he eats is probably 70 of what's on that plate 
but because there's four items they can easily   make that jump right yeah and she goes wow you're 
pretty good she goes you're sure you didn't read   the article said i i didn't even hear of it 
until you brought it up yeah she had already   studied the article that's exactly what they 
did the man is eating mostly protein and meat   and the the people who put it together was pcrm 
people for the blah blah blah ethical treatment of   animals is basically uh a straw man company for um 
peta right and i went okay they put this together   they put that out there they put the salacious 
headline on it yeah people are going to see that   and go oh tom brady's a vegan and in fact the 
man is the exact opposite yeah i'm not making   this up i read the same article that had the 
headline that led you down a primrose path   whenever i see anything that looks salacious it 
makes me kind of like thomas soul it makes me go   ah it doesn't look right i need to see and my 
good friend nina taisho's did the same thing   when they wanted her to write an article 
about you know the vegan diet and they   took her because she was a vegetarian at the 
time they went oh she's perfect to write this   but the one thing nina wasn't capable of 
was lying so she started looking at these   epidemiological studies that are being used by 
walter willett at harvard and everywhere else and   she digs deep and she finds out that everything 
is exactly the opposite of what they're saying   she did a 10-year study on it she really did her 
homework and put out the big fat surprise which   takes a bunch of these top studies that we all 
did you ever read that book i haven't yet no no   i have to you got to read it you got to get nina 
on i'll introduce you to her oh that'd be great   nina she when she did that book it you know it 
it took the studies that we all knew were fake   and she she just lays it out she goes this is 
what really happened yeah right um i'm doing   the same thing in movie form now it's like okay 
they're saying impossible burgers and beyond meat   is better for the environment better for you well 
first i looked into the human aspect is it better   for humans well first you're going to say better 
than what better than actual animal protein that's   going to be pretty that's a pretty high standard 
to beat yeah because it's the natural human diet   yeah i looked into that first and it went okay it 
doesn't come anywhere near beating that not even   in the ballpark but could it possibly be better 
for the environment you know the climate the   polar ice caps everything else yeah it's actually 
way worse because you're engineering junk food   most of it is all the components are made 
in china not all of them but i think like   80 or 90 are made in china okay once they once 
they make a man spew stuff into the atmosphere   they now have to put all of that junk on some 
sort of conveyance an airplane a boat yeah right   now you need to get a lot of diesel 
fuel to get it to the united states   where it goes into another factory and that 
factory plumes a lot of crap into the atmosphere   in order to make all of those ingredients 
into this impossible meat or beyond meat   and then you get it is that worse than a cow fart 
yeah because that's what we're saying and what we   learned in this film from one of the the most 
esteemed doctors on the planet dr mitt lerner   is that the methane from cattle will go up into 
the atmosphere and uh it will stay there it will   regenerate because it's methane within 10 years 
right but the stuff that's coming out of factory   the stuff that's coming out of your car your 
leaf blower everything else that could be up   there for hundreds if not thousands of years 
yeah right so we're blaming the burp of a cow   on what's really happening and i was 
talking i didn't put this in a movie   the guy's kind of shy he's a friend of mine 
he has written several books um on the subject   he studied trees around the world do you 
realize that the one animal that puts   out more methane than any other animal on 
the planet is actually a termite oh really   it's termites okay there are more thermites 
on the planet than anything else and they're   eating around the planet and they're putting 
out more methane than any room in it you can mix   all the ruminants together termites still beat 
them yeah but no one's going after termites no   the arkan maybe yeah well i mean that's the 
thing you know because you know people look   at everything uh out of context you know they say 
oh well methane methane can do x y and z what is   it doing in the system you know these animals 
you know they're they're part of the ecosystem   and they evolved with the rest of the 
planet and the plants and so forth so   you know what but people uh like your friend 
point out is that you know this it's not just   one animal doing contributing to this and you know 
like uh you know we spoke about that last time you   know peter ballerstead who you've had on your 
show a number of times is very interesting guy   you know he shows how important animals are to 
the environment how they recycle nutrients and   so forth and without them the plants die as well 
alan savory did the same thing he's been you know   taking large herds of animals you know through 
deserts and actually even strip mine quarries and   turning these things verdant again and you know we 
we look at we look at oh oh my god the methane but   what about what happens when we don't have have 
the animals right then we as um as uh savory shows   we actually have desert when we you get rid 
of animals you have more desertification   and you know they're necessary to eat down these 
dead grasses they become they grow to a certain   point they become soul less and they they start 
growing slower and they sort of die off you have   to eat these things down to spark them to grow 
and also to get out of the way so for the new new   plants and so forth to come next season if they 
don't do that it'll drown out you know block the   sun from the next things and it'll just die and 
everything will turn into barren uh deserts um   so in order to prevent this because they 
don't have enough animals in a lot of areas   of africa and it's just africa they have 
to just burn them and so they burn large   large areas they burn i think something like 
one billion hectares of grasslands a year   and one hectare of burning one hectare of this 
grassland produces more and worse pollution   than six thousand cars do in a year so you're 
talking about the equivalent of six trillion   cars emissions a year so it's like and people 
are freaking out you know that that you don't   drive a tesla it's like give me a break you know 
there is so much more going on here and you know   also you know how do you i mean the co2 issue 
everyone loses their mind about co2 but co2 is   what plants breathe and all the flowering plants 
on earth evolved at a time when the co2 level was   10 times what it is now you get below 150 parts 
per million of co2 all flowering plants will die   you know and and now people are talking about we 
need to get the co2 level under 200 again i was   like that's that's that's playing with disaster 
and um you know so it's much more complicated   and they say well it's a major greenhouse gas but 
is it because you know even in al gore's movie um   you know inconvenient truth he says if you don't 
consider water vapor then co2 accounts for 30   of the of the greenhouse effect and what a lot 
of people pointed out i was like okay well what   if you do consider water vapor how much does that 
contribute well water vapor accounts for about 90   of the greenhouse effect so these are clouds and 
humidity and so forth and that traps in heat so   in fact co2 only accounts for about three percent 
and then you have to ask yourself is this bad   you know the earth is is the temperature's rising 
that's definitely true you know there's no doubt   about that um but is that is that a horrible thing 
not necessarily you know the cold deaths per year   have gone down uh some heat deaths have gone up 
but you know you have more habitable land and   so forth so it's a very complex um conversation 
to have and um you know like you were saying you   know so so for those who who don't know beyond 
impossible is uh vin's new movie coming up in   january um it goes in basically goes against the 
plant-based meat you know uh conglomerate that's   been growing over the last last couple years 
um and he points out you know all the different   you know all the different facts that are 
going that are involved in this that are not   being shown in the commercials because that's 
everything that's going on everything that's on   the media is basically trying to sell you 
this product because it's the best thing   ever it saves the environment it's going to 
save the world it's going to save your health   but there are a lot of problems with that 
one thing you point out is all the nutrition   nutrient deficiencies and so forth um and and 
then you know protein availability and so forth   so i mean as i mean you're saying this is not 
as good as meat but you know is it good at all   you know is this is this providing you know 
nutrition sufficient nutrition for human life yeah you know it just doesn't 
you know you can almost   you can almost stack a beyond burger up 
against an oreo cookie and i'm not making it   um both are vegan products and um it's not 
much different than an oreo cookie when it   comes to your nutrition value it does have more 
protein than an oreo cookie but we use the term   protein way too lightly because you're a doctor 
you're way smarter than me we both know that   complete proteins you know you need all of the 
amino acids to live not just just a few of them   right and uh when you when you start talking 
soy protein or pea protein or any of those   these plant-based proteins you're not getting 
anywhere near all of the proteins you need to   to really have a a good healthy life can you get 
by on it sure you can you can for a while we know   by definition 87 of people who tried veganism go 
back because well they just couldn't sustain it   and most vegans who stay for long periods they 
end up with all kinds of problems teeth falling   out i'm not making this up yeah we had dr ann 
childress on the show she was a long time vegan   she had teeth falling out i had lear 
keith in my movie long time vegan   uh she screwed up her reproductive system her 
hair was falling out she was having all kinds   of health and fitness problems and then started 
eating meat after 20 something years and all the   problems just went away yeah you know um she 
screwed up her bones her vertebrae everything   it's just not the way to eat properly and i even 
go after i usually don't do this i kind of felt   weird but i went after the movie you know game 
changers yeah yeah i like that in the movie and look i mean game changers what the hell conspiracy 
they're all just vegan propaganda films that are   lying to people because whenever these movies 
come out my twitter is just flooded with well what   about these game changers they're stronger than 
anyone else it's like well they told you that in   the film but in actuality none of it is true yeah 
and as you know in the film i just used i took two   of their biggest examples they claimed to have 
the strongest guy in the world as a vegan well   i'm a nerd and what do nerds do we watch strongman 
competitions right anthony you see what's behind   me i have a weightlifting rack in my in my office 
yeah i'm a nerd i'm a weightlifting nerd since i'm   eight years old and i'm looking at this guy in the 
film going i don't ever remember seeing him in the   strongman competition not even the part that's not 
on television right because they only show the the   big guys on television right yeah so i looked 
into it and he's never been invited to the show   right as a matter of fact he's never been a strong 
man he's never he doesn't really hold any world   records of note yeah he is the strongest vegan 
at a vegan competition somewhere in texas one day   so he was the strongest vegan in the 
world that day what they left out was   the vegan part yeah and when i looked 
at what this guy was actually lifting   you can take some high school weightlifting 
athletes from around the united states with   bigger lifts than this guy yeah i did the 
same thing with a girl from the country   you're living in now australia yeah they said 
she was a champion olympic 400 meter runner   look i couldn't make it to the olympics even as 
a dishwasher okay so kudos to this woman she made   it to the olympics but folks she didn't finish 
first or second or third so i started looking   well she must have finished fifth or sixth top 
ten nope 12 15 nope 24th which means you didn't   even see her in the heats on television right 
right like what she did wasn't it's kind of   like the guys with the jamaican bobsledding 
team yeah there was a bobsledding team yeah but anyone could send anyone to the olympics it 
doesn't mean you're going to win yeah yeah so   and i could have gone on and debunked that whole 
movie but i just didn't have time to do it in 90   minutes yeah well i'm glad you did take it 
because like it bugs the crap out of me and   that's the same thing you know someone um a friend 
of mine when i was first getting into the whole   nutrition side of thing and really seeing 
that you know meat base was was really   what were evolved to eat and so forth and you 
know gives a lot of health benefits that was when   what the health came out and they were oh you got 
to watch oh what about this documentary oh you   gotta watch it and i was like yeah all right i'll 
watch it i got two minutes into this thing and i   was furious and i just started i started taking 
notes in my phone and i stopped it took me like   four hours to watch this stupid movie because i 
kept stopping it and making notes about all the   different things that were wrong and like getting 
like sources and like studies and links to all the   different things so i could send them to my friend 
be like this is your fault for making me watch   this this is all the things that are wrong with it 
and um and it's the same with game changer i know   so many people that have switched to a vegan diet 
doctors actually i was speaking to a professor   of uh vascular surgery really nice guy um 
and he and we were sort of talking about   the whole carnivore thing and and he was like oh 
really because i saw a game changer we talking   about it and then we sort of talked about that 
and i brought up some of the flaws and started   talking other things and so he was like oh 
that's great and he started you know eating   meat again like you know thank god but it's it's 
affected and influenced so many people and you   talk about that as well because there's obviously 
some serious conflicts it's not even it's not   even an honestly done documentary where people 
are trying to show the truth because you know   um you know you were talking about uh you know 
the maker you know james cameron and his conflicts   um about that yeah can you talk about that a bit 
yeah james cameron um and this is not hard to find   he he dumped 34 million dollars into a pea protein 
conglomerate yeah so he's got vested interest in   people buying you know vegetable proteins 
and then he goes make a puff piece called   you know game where he gets his friend arnold 
schwarzenegger in the movie um to say that hey   look when i was a bodybuilder i ate a lot of 
meat but that wasn't healthy now i'm a vegan   yeah we found we found a video after the movie 
that he did after the movie where he opens his   fridge and goes i eat meat i eat cheese i eat 
look at this i i have eggs yeah so you know the   whole movie's a lie um one of the other big 
lies the the actual host of the movie right he's there going yeah you know i used to be 
able you know there's this thing we do in the   gym where you jiggle the ropes right yeah 
or something like that and the record was   11 minutes and i went in one day and did it and 
i only got to like nine or ten minutes and i   couldn't break the record and then i went vegan 
for a month went back and i thought he was going   to say hey i bested the record by a whole minute 
or something he goes yeah after i became vegan i   did it for an hour and then i just got bored okay 
you're saying that you became 5000 better yeah really you just went an hour and you got 
bored yeah my hands started getting sore well according to you anyone can go vegan 
and just become superhuman can we also   leap tall buildings in a single bound i mean 
what else can you do with this vegan diet   but james cameron's in there and 
his wife is standing next to him   by the way his wife is younger than me and she 
looks 10 years older than me and she's a movie   star if you go back and look at her years ago 
she was this beautiful woman now you know from   the vegan diet her hair's all dried out her skin 
looks like you know crepe paper and it's like   oh my god look at what the vegan diet does and 
she's standing next to james cameron by the way   after this movie came out and the pea protein 
gained the company gained a lot of press   james cameron sold off a bunch of that stock 
yeah well look i mean people go to jail for   stuff similar to that you know jumping in 
stock and i'm sure he did it all legally   right it's all it's all on the on the up 
and up but you know uh people have gone   to jail for you know driving up the stock 
price and then selling their version of it   but this guy's getting away with it i don't 
know how they do it yeah i don't really know   how that works but is that yeah it's just strange 
to watch what what he did just to make a buck off   of making people unhealthy and i want to go back 
to what the health yeah when that movie came out   i too watched the first five minutes got so 
ticked off i turned it off and i did a whole   podcast i had an expert from virta health and i 
did a whole podcast from the first five minutes   yeah and people came after me and said then 
that's not fair you should have watched the   whole movie before so i watched the whole movie 
and got nina taisho's on and we debunked it again   some of the things i can never figure out from 
that movie number one they say if you eat meat   or eggs your body will fill with pus i'm not a 
medical doctor but i eat at least six eggs a day   sometimes eight or ten i'm trying to figure 
out where the pus is in my 175 pound body   is it supposed to come out of my ears where is 
this your medical doctor where's the pus yeah well   that's it it's not there i remember hearing as a 
kid that that it takes 10 years to digest a steak   i remember i was i was like five at the time 
i was like i've eaten steak every single day   of my life like like where where is this i was 
like it's a tube it goes one way is they're like   is there are i'm imagining all these different 
things like how could this possibly be true like   they're out pouches where the meat just sits and 
rots i was like what the hell is going on here   and i was a kid i knew i was a kid i knew i 
didn't know everything so i was like there must   be something else going on here and and there was 
they're lying and um you know i like you saying   in in the movie the recommendations the official 
recommendations are of the eat lancet is uh seven   grams of meat a day and i was just looking at 
that i eat between 1500 to 2000 grams of meat a   day like just that's it and um you know and that's 
the thing and if i'm still digesting this stuff   like i mean i would i would be a walrus you know 
i just i would just be completely full of meat   and pus and nonsense and it's you know obvious 
it's you know obviously not true you know and um   you know as uh richard feynman said like physicist 
i love the guy there's a lot of great quotes one   of my favorites is it doesn't matter how brilliant 
your theory is and it doesn't matter how smart you   are if it doesn't agree with the experiment it's 
wrong and so these guys are saying this is going   to cause pus and all these sorts of things and yet 
it doesn't so what does that tell you it's wrong   well you know yeah you know when i was a 
kid you might be too young i know you know   who john wayne is everyone does right yeah he 
was like to my age group he was still a hero   and when he died um the vegans came up with things 
said they did an autopsy and they cut his stomach   open and he had 40 pounds of dilapidated meat yeah 
it was like okay yeah it's just these things that   it's like guys if you're gonna lie at least lie so 
we can squint and kind of believe it yeah i don't   know if you remember this one of the doctors in 
what the health he was an african-american doctor   he literally said that consuming a dairy product 
is akin to institutional racism yeah i remember   that i was like please explain that one yeah 
how how is milk racist is it because it's white i couldn't even get my head around that and if you 
eat one hot dog i think it was it's like smoking   five cigarettes show me the study sure give me 
a study yeah well yeah that was it it was uh   they they uh conflate a lot with that and they 
um you know they say because you know processed   meat was a class one carcinogen um and so were 
cigarettes and so is plutonium and they say that   and so then they they have this you know this 
visual of this little kid when you give your kid   you know baloney and processed meat for breakfast 
you're serving them cigarettes for because they   have this like little you know tray that they're 
just dumping like you know ash trays into onto   the kid's plate and you know that's a very stark 
visual um but they know they're full of it because   they actually show the rest you know part of 
the diagram and they don't really show you what   the units mean or anything like that but they 
show units and they say basically this is the   relative risk of cancer down the road and in front 
of you know processed meat it was something like   six in front of cigarettes it was 340 000 and 
in front of plutonium is 8.6 million and so   it's like this is not the same thing you know 
you know and so they're saying oh yeah bologna   is the same as as a plate full of cigarettes like 
no 30 000 cigarettes may be the same as one piece   of bologna but like that's that's it and you know 
and then they say oh and red meat is a class two   carcinogens so it's barely so what does that 
number get one yeah i mean give me a break on   this stuff it was um and that you know the guy you 
you showed one uh gentleman who almost went on on   show that was that was another thing too was that 
you you tried to approach a lot of vegan doctors   to get the outfit you know the opposing view 
you know in in a fair way and which would have   been great it would have been great to see these 
guys but i've never seen anyone um i've never seen   them put themselves in a position where they can 
be challenged by someone who actually knows what   the hell they're talking about and they obviously 
didn't want to do that they were they're picking   they're picking their moments and they want 
to you know they got they've got books to sell   you know they can't they can't get shown up and 
you know one guy was saying that you know eating   sugar and processed carbs actually helps diabetes 
and makes you more uh insulin sensitive which is   insane to me that was dr mcdougall and i had that 
in my second movie where he said if you want to   cure type 2 diabetes right you have to have more 
sugar and i'll never forget i think it was dr   clapper who's sitting next to him on the dais and 
he he just puts his head down like this he's like   oh mcdougall please because there you know there 
are certain lies you can tell and there's a   certain lie one of my favorites was i was i 
was interviewing robert lustig one day yeah   who's one of the foremost authorities on childhood 
obesity yeah absolutely and you know doctors don't   like to go against other doctors even if 
they don't believe in what they're saying   and i said i said to robert and i i caught 
him off guard and i shouldn't have i said   you know can you believe that grieger 
thinks that you can get you know uh diabetes   from eating one egg a week and he goes well 
he obviously didn't say that i said oh no   he did here let me write the audio for you and he 
just went by but i i i don't want to comment you   know because doctors don't like to put down 
other doctors and i'm sitting there going   yeah he's saying one egg a week will cause type 2 
diabetes there's no sugar whatsoever in an egg yet   his cohort mcdougall goes on and says if you want 
to cure type 2 diabetes eat rice eat sugar eat   straight sugar it will cure it these are these are 
blatant lies that will actually get people hurt   yet no one goes after these doctors they go after 
tim noakes for telling a mother on twitter to   feed your kid meat and vegetables there were two 
trials in south south africa to go after this guy   right tim's a friend tim's been on the podcast 
that maybe a dozen times and he's great yeah   i'm looking around going really really yet 
these guys can say whatever they want no problem   yeah no problem they're protected by will it 
they're protected by harvard they're protected   by minnesota university they're protected they're 
protected they're protected and i'm sitting there   going when are we going to stop this when are we 
going to say look these guys are killing people   yeah more people than covet has ever 
killed yeah and it's just going on   yeah i thought i thought that was you know 
there was one of those guys in what the health   that said right right at the beginning and he 
you know that the sugar um being implemented   implicated in diabetes was brought up 
and he said oh this is ridiculous this is   this is you know that's that's so untrue it's 
obvious it's fat we've always known it was fat   and he's referring back to these studies that have 
been thoroughly disproven a hundred times over   from the seventies you know sixties and seventies 
and so forth and he's saying this is what it is   and you know to me that was insane you 
mentioned dr robert lustig you know he   is uh absolute legend like i love that guy um i 
you know he was one of the major components of me   you know really realizing what the hell was going 
on and how we have been misled because of his   research into fructose and so forth showing that 
this is essentially i do a whole talk on sugar and   so forth and i reference his work but and you know 
quickly it just breaks down in your body by your   liver in the same manner that alcohol does into 
the same by-product so you get the same damage   to your body from those byproducts as you would 
from the breakdown of alcohol obviously it affects   your body differently before it's broken down but 
after it's broken down it acts exactly the same   and one of these things is peripheral insulin 
resistance which is type 2 diabetes so you   know and he had a study showing causation that 
met the the criteria for christ for causation   with metabolic syndrome and kids and just removing 
the fructose not changing anything else or still   eating crap there's still a bunch of processed 
carby crap and it actually reversed their   metabolic syndrome just by removing the fructose 
and staying the same weight not losing any weight   and so this is something that that's very well 
established lustig is published god only knows   how many dozens of studies on this and books as 
well and you know for that guy and what the health   to then say no this is absolutely not what's going 
on blah blah blah blah he's telling people the   same misinformation that has gotten literally 
billions of people hurt over the over the last   40 years and to me that's malpractice because 
you know the definition of legal malpractice is   you did the wrong thing and it caused harm well 
he did the wrong thing because there's tons of   studies showing that he's dead ass wrong and 
and things that he's referencing have been   thoroughly debunked and if he doesn't know that 
as a clinician then he's in the wrong he needs to   he needs to you know read back up and and freshen 
up his uh his knowledge and it obviously causes   harm because you know cause metabolic syndrome 
at the very least and obesity and so forth so i   think that that is really causing harm um and 
that that that kind of pisses me off honestly   um and that whole movie pissed me off i 
you got through the first five minutes i   um i wanted to turn it off then but i had 
like a mission that i was just going to like   get through as much as i could but i got probably 
to an hour i think it was like an hour 40 minutes   i'm like i'm not doing this anymore like i've you 
know i've i've seen enough of this crap and um and   it's uh yeah it absolutely thoroughly i'm going 
to tell you what made me turn it off the first   time in the first five years yeah um the guy kip 
you know the the the kind of douchey guy with the   hat on he he starts the movie by going hi i'm 
kip and i'm a documentarian and so dude like   i was just asking myself one day like i wonder 
what the best diet for humans could possibly be   and someone said like vegan and i was like what 
and okay hang on kip you did the movie cowspiracy   where you had a shirt on that said vegan now 
all of a sudden you're doing another movie where   someone says hey kip you want to know what the 
best diet is for humans is it you're lying in the   opening statement moving where could this possibly 
go if you think i'm kidding i just paraphrased it   but because it was five years ago and i watched 
it but it was something like that yeah where like   one of the biggest proponents of veganism who's 
done other documentaries goes are we looking for   the best diet and someone said vegan and i was 
like what's this vegan you speak of i'm like   are you really doing this yeah yeah we're not 
gonna go back and see the other bs movie that   you did you know when you're me and you see that 
you go and then they go right to the hot dog bun   with the cigarettes in it and i'm like okay god 
okay okay i'm out i'm out i'm up but then i had   to go back and watch it because my audience said 
well you didn't do it justice and just like you   by the time i got to the doctor 
going institutionalized racism   i'm like well what i actually rewinded it back 
it went yeah did he really say that yeah yeah   yeah and uh oh my god i mean when 
you can bring race into milk yeah dairy products are racist okay i'm good i'm 
good i'm done thank you good night everybody yeah oh man yeah um yeah that was the thing too um know you 
you're obviously you've been in the health   and fitness world for a very long time and you 
know you have your best-selling book on the on   the subject you've been doing like nearly 2000 
podcasts now um as well um you support you know uh   no sugar no grains diet which you know just 
talking about the you know the um tom brady thing   actually sounds like that's what he's doing i 
saw a thing on him where he they had you know   his his little chef that stayed with him and he 
basically you'll cut out sugars cut out grains   cut out any processed foods and cut out night 
shades as well and that you know whenever i talk   to my patient because i don't i don't i don't push 
anything on anyone you know i do a pure carnivore   diet because i feel the best on that and i feel 
that that's the healthiest thing for me to do   i have patients that don't want to do that and 
that's totally fine and so i just recommend   certain things you get rid of first first 
one absolutely right there with you sugar   and grains got to get rid of those you 
know carbohydrates and so forth as well   seed oils and nightshades and then 
and then you know sort of after that   if you really want to eat salads and so forth go 
for it um tell us a bit about that how long have   you been doing uh the no sugar no grains diet i 
know you've helped quite a lot of people with that   yeah yeah i started back in the 80s um in new 
orleans when i was uh first became a trainer and   uh did it there um because and it was my trick 
i didn't want anyone to know what my trick was   it was basically giving people the atkins diet 
and then running them around you know and getting   them to lose weight and everyone thought i was 
a genius um when i moved to hollywood in 1991   um i got a few clients there you know i i kind 
of muscled my way in and got a client or two   one of the first clients was this woman 
who worked for playboy corporation   who was literally wider than she was tall 
you know dana henderson she was just this big   square looking woman and 
um she couldn't afford much   and she was putting a daughter through college and 
the whole thing and she couldn't afford any rate   and i said dana i i need to see you four days 
a week what what can you afford and she said   maybe 25 a time and my rate what 
was in the hundreds and i said okay   if you can give me 25 every time i'll take it but 
the reason i'm even charging you is if i don't   charge you you won't take it seriously i said 
if you're ever short you need to give me 10 or   15 dollars pay me something yeah and that's what 
we did and um i took 150 pounds off of her and   she became like the biggest billboard in hollywood 
you know now playboy she's at playboy corporation   and they started using me with some of 
their people my big secret was to keep   people off of carbs right uh what happens to 
these playmates once they become playmates   most of these girls are from the midwest you 
know the corn belt all of a sudden they have a   few bucks in their wallet they're going out to eat 
and they're eating crap right i would get called   in because they would be under contract at playboy 
for two years and playbar was like keep her thin so that was my job was to keep their 
product looking like their product   and that's how i got in with the hollywood 
community and of course playmates date   real actors and the whole thing and i got in yeah 
i kept it a secret for as long as i could because   that's what i traded on right i didn't want anyone 
to find out that i was just cutting carbs out   and in 2010 or 11 i'd been through a lot of 
stuff you know sometimes life gets in the way   in 2007 i got leukemia and i almost died and um of 
course i lived but i had a lot of cancer bills to   pay even though i had insurance i had to live on 
my savings for a while and all that kind of stuff   and then 2008 came along and we had a 
writer's strike and when writers strike   actors don't act and when actors don't act i 
don't have a job right so i went from paying   a lot of cancer bills to no real good work and i 
still had howie mandel and a few of my clients but   not enough to to keep going and yeah and then we 
we had the economy at the end of 2008 the economy   yeah so i was sitting around more than not so 
by 2010 my one of my clients dean laurie who   was a big tv writer uh shows like um uh arrested 
development and all this kind of stuff you know   one of my closest friends and he kept saying 
man you have a book in you and i said yeah   hollywood's been wanting me to write this 
book for years but they want me to do a   tell-all and he said no between all the you 
know you do these ultra cycling events and   you've worked with these people and you've 
done this in hollywood you have a book in you   and i was ready to put the secret out 
of low carb no one was talking about   the word keto did not exist yeah the 
ketogenic diet existed but keto did not exist   i started writing the book and i kept saying to 
dean i can't put the word ketogenic in the book   and he said why and i said because doctors think 
i'm talking about ketoacidosis and i'm going to   get lambasted by putting the word ketogenic in 
the book he goes well what can you put and i said   why can't i just tell the truth let's just call it 
no sugars no grains right nfg no sugars no grains literally put that in the book and didn't think 
that that was going to change my life because   i immediately had to go out and register 
the term nsng the government didn't want   to give it to me at first they were like this 
is just four letters and i went yeah but i have   a book that's now sold 100 000 copies 
where i'm talking about those four letters   right and they finally said oh yeah we have 
to give that to you we have to give you but   i was i if you if you read my book now the 
term ketogenic does not exist in the book   because i was scared to write the word yeah 
right but it started the whole kind of along   with gary taubes nina came after me but we were 
all there right at the beginning gary had written   good calories bad calories and then 
what we get fat which was basically   the reader's digest version of good calories bad 
calories nerds like you and me we love the calorie   bad calories but is too sophisticated for the 
average reader right so he wrote the other book   and we all kind of came along together gary me 
nina and we were all right there at the beginning   and then it kind of spawned this whole low-carb 
world that we live in now robert lustig wasn't   really out with that sugar the bitter truth video 
that went viral at that time no yeah that was 2009   when that came out yeah that was much better yeah 
yeah yeah so yeah that was right at the beginning   yeah the um a lot of people are worried about 
that you know i think keto acidosis and so   forth this is bad for you um you mentioned 
that in your films as well getting the   you know the the sort of tv personalities talking 
about oh this is shock to your system and so forth   which i i think is just completely wrong i mean i 
i took biochemistry you know degree in molecular   cellular biology and minor in chemistry and 
you know obviously had to take biochemistry   as a prerequisite for medical school and it's very 
very clear you know we call this a fed state not   a fasting state but the only difference is you're 
eating carbohydrates and you're and you're jumping   up your insulin and that insulin changes a lot 
of your metabolic processes but what i argue is   that the so-called fasting state actually is 
our primary metabolic state that's where all   of our heavy machinery comes to bear and that's 
the the metabolic state of nearly every animal   in the wild you know we had there was a study in 
1981 showing this with wolves you know because   at that time everyone thought that well you have 
to eat carbs to get to burn carbs and they looked   at wolves they said well these things don't carbo 
load for you know before they go chasing caribou   for 10 hours you know do they have blood sugar do 
they have liver glycogen they found out that yes   they do and it's rock solid it does not change 
and no matter what they're doing no matter when   they've eaten no matter how much exertion they've 
gone through their blood sugar is x their glycogen   is x and it doesn't change and it always always 
you know replenishes so when you carbo load you   may have three times the amount of glycogen in 
your liver than like someone like you or i who   don't who doesn't eat carbs but our carbohydrate 
but our glycogen replenishes itself continuously   so we never actually run out so it's only at a 
certain level there they have a higher level but   their level runs out it will bottom out it will 
go to zero that's hitting the wall you know like   you know you know distance runners and athletes 
i'm sure you've come across this uh you know   when when you're working out you know when 
you're eating carbs is that you'll hit the   wall and you know as everyone says if you keep 
pushing keep pushing you will push through the   wall you'll get your second wind and you'll get 
your runners high and then you'll feel great but   you know biochemically what that is is you your 
insulin is up so you can't produce any energy   from your fat cells so you burn through all 
your blood sugar and your glycogen and then you   run out and you feel horrible normally it takes 
you know anywhere from you know 16 to 24 hours   to to drop your insulin low enough that you 
can actually start accessing your fat stores   and but if you push and push and push you can 
actually just force this this uh process to speed   up and then you start feeling great but you know 
people like you and i and your your your clients   and so forth are always in that state they're 
always in that you know second wind and uh and um   you know runner's high you always feel amazing 
and so i think that's that's our primary metabolic   state and the only reason that we call it a fed 
state and a fasting state is because by the time   we're able to look at these things at a molecular 
level everyone was eating carbohydrates you know   so they say well when you eat carbohydrates it 
looks like this when you eat it looks like this   and when you don't eat it looks like that but 
when you eat anything except carbohydrates it   also looks like a so-called fasting state 
and there's tons of studies there's them   and you're looking at fasting a lot of evidence 
people say that well you know a ketogenic diet   or a carnivore diet all that does is it mimics 
fasting and we know fasting is good for you so   or fasting gets you into the metabolic state that 
you would be in if you were eating appropriate   and that's the benefit and you're going to 
get those benefits when you eat appropriately   there's a there's a group of studies called 
looking at fasting and diabetes type 1 and   type 2 diabetes and animal models they're trying 
to get into people now and they found that if you   just fast for as little as 4 days a month you 
can actually reverse both type one and type two   diabetes meaning that you will not only reverse 
yeah applied type one yes yeah so they're actually   regrowing beta islet cells and and producing 
insulin again in in rat models so they haven't   done this yet yeah it's very interesting and so 
they said well you know fasting is um you know   it's it's very hard you know it's not it's 
not easy to fast forward four days a month   and so they came up with a fasting mimicking diet 
which is a ketogenic diet so basically you know or   carnivore diet you're just not eating carbohydrate 
carbohydrates and that's it and so you can you can   trick your body into thinking it's starving and 
it blows my mind i swear to god there was a guy   i forget his name but he's got a lot of 
followers on youtube he's you're one of these   guys who i think he's a you know a celebrity 
trainer and um does all his videos with his shirt   off and things like that so you got all these like 
you know these lonely housewives watching it and   they're just staring at his chest going oh my god 
he's just so knowledgeable he's so knowledgeable   i was like yeah okay and um and this guy would say 
it was it was hard to watch because it was it was   nothing against mike tyson but it was like 
watching mike tyson you know give a dissertation   on astrophysics you know he's saying a lot of 
mispronouncing all the words and using them   incorrectly i'm like oh my god no it's just stop 
and and he did this thing on the keto diet and he   was saying was like well you know when you're in 
a ketogenic diet you're tricking your body into   thinking it's starving to death and then you get 
the benefits of well starving to death i'm like   really all right you tell me one benefit of 
starving to death besides you're now dead and   i don't have to listen as [ __ ] anymore and 
um you know it's it's it's absolutely crazy my   my mom was very scared she went she went uh 
carnivore you know seeing my successes with it and   completely reverse her diabetes in two months you 
know went um she was typically yeah type two yeah   um she actually is still uh needs a bit of insulin 
but she was on a very high dose of insulin at the   beginning and she was on three oral medications 
she came off all three oral medications and then   down to a minimal dose of uh insulin and in about 
two months she was very worried you know because   obviously as a diabetic you make ketoacidosis you 
know this is very serious and she's like oh my god   what's gonna happen like it's a very different 
thing you know your ketosis and ketoacidosis is   not the same thing and that that is something 
that comes up and you know people do get get   quite worried about that so i think that's that's 
quite clever that you sort of just did an end   route around that and just came up with the no no 
sugar no grains yeah i i had to and you know just   give your audience an idea um uh this morning 
i i didn't have any eggs because guess what   yeah we ran out of eggs because serena made 
something last night for some christmas   dinner we had we we had to do christmas early 
because we're traveling to europe for christmas   and um so i look in this there's there's only one 
egg left i'm like what's this one egg but we had a   lot of roast left so i took i don't know somewhere 
between 12 and 15 ounces of roast and i threw it   in my skillet and just heated it up and ate that 
that folks is besides coffee this cup of coffee   is which is my second is the only thing that 
i've consumed this morning period when i'm done   with this podcast i'm going to do at least 
90 minutes on the weights right behind me   okay nice i won't go eat anything before then i'm 
just going to get up from here take this shirt off   and i have a shirt underneath i'm not going to be 
like the bare chested guy i'm going to work out if   i wanted to after that i can get on my spinner 
or my rowing machine which is right over here   and go for hours hours still without 
consuming anything other than water   nothing you don't you know and when people go how 
can you do that don't you you know bonk that blood   sugar no i can go forever and as a matter of fact 
there's a kid i sponsor i own a vitamin company   and i have um electrolyte supplements and what 
have you i sponsor a kid named michael mcknight   you should look this kid up um he did a film that 
i'm trying to get gravitas to pick up gravitas is   the people that um you know distributes my 
movies mike mcknight did a movie called um   from broken to breaking he was a broken 
human being he he felt he was broken he   was morbidly obese he never liked working out uh 
he actually paid his friends not to go do a 5k   when they were in high school saying i will 
buy everyone pizza if they don't do the 5k   now michael mcknight is a you know 
a low carb runner who's not just   running long distances he's breaking 
fkt fkt's fastest known times   all over the nation uh we started sponsoring 
him a while back i'll get him on the show if   you ever wanted yeah um you should watch the 
movie from broken to breaking the first time i   had him on my podcast was before that movie 
because he wanted to prove that he can run i don't want to exaggerate a hundred miles 
without anything other than water and electrolytes   and he did it with ease yeah he did it with 
these he was able to run 100 miles with nothing   but water and electrolytes and now he's doing 
some experiment i don't want to say what it is   but he's going to double that type of 
distance yeah do it fast it and you know   it's amazing what the human body can do if 
you just prepare the human body to do it   it's not just 59 year old vinnie that can 
work out half a morning and then ride a bike   if you wanted to all afternoon with nothing yeah 
nothing right eat later on you you're good to go   yeah i'm killing myself do i look like i'm 
killing myself not at all yeah i mean and   that was the thing like you know i my exercise 
tolerance at you know has never been better   than when i you know specifically wasn't eating 
carbohydrates you know i like obviously i feel   the best when i'm on on a carnivore diet but you 
know it really is is the carbohydrates that really   do that you know by by fundamentally disrupting 
your metabolic state and you know as you say you   can just keep going and going and going you know 
with little or no food because your your body has   access to your fat stores and you can just prepare 
i mean that's your gas tank you know the idea   that you know that that your fat is only there in 
case you're starving in the desert and you have   to like you know not eat for for a month it's just 
it's just wild to me you know like it that's like   you know and then you eat carbohydrates and 
it's only shoving energy into cells because you   know when insulin goes up it forces energy into 
cells it doesn't allow it to come out of cells   and so you know your insulin stays up for a 
while and your blood sugar starts dropping   and then you have to you have to keep pumping in 
carbs and so forth and this is a lot of this is   just getting shoved into a lot of your cells 
and your fat cells and all this just in case   you get lost in the desert um but you know that 
that that's i always sort of analogize that too   you put you fill up your tank in your gut in your 
gas tank in your car and then you just block off   you know the the lead to your engine and then you 
just start like just pouring cans of gasoline in   your engine as you go it's like oh no the gas tank 
is just just in case i get lost somewhere it's   like well that's that's a really inefficient way 
of working and no animal in the wild works like   that really you know the vast majority are running 
on their fat um so what do you eat on a normal day   like you're obviously you know i think you're 
sort of a meat and veg sort of guy is that right   yeah um mostly uh every morning it's it's it's 
eggs um sometimes or eggs and leftover meat or   eggs and bacon um but i'm big on eggs 
because i like to work out in the morning and   you can't find a better amino acid than the 
amino acid profile of eggs um for lunch if i   have lunch it's uh usually a hamburger patty fresh 
hamburger meat i get from the butcher i don't buy   the cheap stuff and that's if i have lunch uh if 
i don't have lunch um i'll have a cup of coffee   with um with cream in it or i'll just have a 
cup of coffee black if i know i'm gonna be doing   something in the afternoon i might add um cream 
in a coffee or put even a little um coconut oil   i at one of my companies i have a few companies i 
make something called ultra fat it's a pouch full   of nut other and mct oil i'll have that you know 
if if i'm in a rush and usually for dinner it's um   it's some form of red meat or fish along with 
vegetables usually a cruciferous vegetable or two   that's when my wife really tries to get two 
different cruciferous vegetables in me because   although she's afraid that i don't eat enough 
vegetables i'm always explaining i don't need   this anyway it's just meat jewelry on the plate 
and if you want to put it there i'll i'll eat it   just to appease you but i'm pretty close to 
carnivore otherwise it sounds like it yeah i   just need meat and eggs yeah well yeah that's um 
definitely i always feel better like that as well   i think when i when i was first sort of coming 
into this um again obviously because you know i   was out of it for a while um without sort of 
realizing it i just do the whole thing with you   know realizing that that learning in college that 
plants were you know used different toxic methods   to protect themselves and so forth so i just 
avoided plants and then sort of slipped off of   it but when i came back onto it i was essentially 
doing a keto diet without calling it a keto diet i   wasn't doing that specifically but you know i just 
felt better when i didn't have carbs i didn't have   as much you know muscle aches and back pain and 
joint issues and so forth and so i was just eating   like the vegetables and and lean meat um but i was 
eating a lot of vegetables i was like you know um   blending like just a big bag of spinach kale and 
broccoli every day it just tasted like death you   know it was so bitter and you know that that you 
know should have told me something you know this   is if it's if it tastes bitter then that's that's 
your body your brain tongue telling you that there   are chemicals in there that you don't want to eat 
and that's naturally saying like spit this out and   i wanted to spit it out really badly but i didn't 
i powered it down because that's good for me   and then eating some meat and so forth and 
and i felt i felt all right you know i was a   lot better than when i had carbs and so forth 
but you know a ton of vegetables and and that   i think was it was a difficulty and when i dropped 
that and started eating more meat and more fat i   i just literally just came alive and and 
i dropped like around 20 pounds in 10 days   like five times the calories because i started 
eating i was eating like lean like sirloin with   the fat trimmed off and like just small portions 
of it and and i went to eating like two pounds of   rib eye you know and and i had extra weight on 
me and i just i just started just dropping it   off i think most of that was water weight you 
know because i was just yeah it probably was   you know what scares me is uh in two days 
i'm gonna be in in the uk and i'm gonna be   staying with my sister-in-law kristen and you 
know you have to you know when we're gonna be   there for two weeks yeah now navigation has 
to start right so i sometimes i look at it as   navigation sometimes i look at it as grooming so 
breakfast i can always skate by getting up early   and going into the kitchen and make my own 
breakfast there's going to be eggs and butter and   bacon i'll be able to do that um because 
i don't really eat lunch i can always   make it to where i'm out of the house even though 
it's dreary this time of year in england as you   know yeah i could go out for a run or a hike 
with serena in the countryside you know and just   be away for lunch and just say hey guys i'll 
be back at about three don't worry about me for   lunch i'll grab something yeah the only thing 
i really have to navigate is dinner yeah so   you know i'm gonna buy as much stuff as i can 
i'm gonna bring as much of my stuff as i can   but at some point man you know i'm gonna be 
faced with some rice or some something or some   at christmas i'm sure that as the british go 
there's gonna be some pudding around right one   time a year where you really and i'm with the 
in-laws and i don't want to be you know how the   british talk behind your back when they're talking 
about for the next year you know what i mean   so you man the navigation that 
i'm getting ready to go through   it's got me i'm breaking out into 
cole sweats just talking about it folks you're going to end up like me you're 
going to be at the in-laws or you're going to   be somewhere you don't want to be the 
odd man out in those situations just   fight the bullet a bit and just do 
whatever you can to get by and uh i don't know why i got on that but i just started 
thinking about it it's like you start talking   about you're worried about it yeah yeah because 
i'm sitting there going yeah i know how i'm gonna   feel they're gonna say hey you gotta try this 
scone or whatever and i'm going to eat it and feel   like crap for the next two hours yeah yeah because 
i have to eat some scone that someone made special   for me you know and you can't go no i don't eat 
scone you know actually to poison just you yeah   well with this jelly on it yeah oh god yeah well 
that's the thing like you know i i certainly feel   like crap you know like sort of within 20-30 
minutes if i you know something gets in that   i that i don't want i'll i will feel effective 
because i'm sort of you know at the sharp end   of this where i really don't have anything in 
my system i don't use spices or seasonings or   sauces or anything like that and so when 
something sneaks in you know i do know   it's not the end of the world 
you know i'm not like you know   a little wuss about it oh my goodness but you 
know i do notice it and and it's interesting to   me i think that's very interesting carbs grains 
especially i find just do a number on me and   um you know just from playing contact sports 
you know since i was a kid i'm sure you you   might have the same issue just having you know 
just lower back problems and so forth um much   better now that i'm that i'm just carnivore but 
you know it's still sort of just it's not perfect   and when some even just a bit of carbs slip in 
my back is in stabbing pain for four full days   and it's just miserable and so you know that that 
that to me is just like such a major deterrent   i was first doing this i felt very self-conscious 
and it was very hard for me um to feel comfortable   only eating the way i do and having to explain 
myself but so the more i did it the more i just   explained it and just said yeah just you know 
kind of makes me feel like crap i just you know   this is what i prefer to eat and so forth um 
i started just not giving a [ __ ] you know   it just it just became easier and and people 
around me sort of um just you know considered   it a novelty wow that's just what you know chafee 
does and so forth and um and i just for me yeah   i had so many sort of experiences where i'm just 
like i just don't want to feel like that anymore   i just i feel wretched and i don't want to do 
it and um and so thankfully i've sort of gotten   to the point where people don't expect it of 
me anymore and like and i don't have to don't   have to deal with that crap that sounds horrible 
yeah i think the in-laws get you know like they   you know now that i've become something like 
you know they see it because of the movies and   sold hundreds and hundreds of thousands of copies 
and so now you know they get oh wait he's someone   and they kind of get that but still out of love 
someone will say hey i made this you know we're   doing clotted cream and whatever some kind 
of weirdo here's a scottish egg that i made   for you and you're sitting there going you know i 
don't really eat this right but i i can't be that   guy yeah and you're right i do have um i need two 
discs replaced in my neck and when i eat crap man   the inflammation it like i'm like crimped over 
like this like a really oh i look really old   and yeah it hurts for a couple of days and yeah 
it's just not a good it's not a good scene for me   yeah but you know what you always say that you 
know my doctor put me on a special diet for my   for my arthritis oh no i can't yeah i have to be 
honest i could do so i could get away with some   of that and i can i'm pretty good at hiding but 
you can't hide in someone's house for two weeks   yeah at some point you get called out you know 
yeah how that works the good thing about like   the english you know dinners is they do a lot of 
roasts which is which is always good too so you   can just you just like pile up on that and then 
just quietly don't take everything else you know   they're watching me though you know those sneaky 
ass brits man they're always they're watching you   yeah and then just like you know they're 
just the quiet you know backhanded comments   and you know passive aggressive tone 
and things like that they're the worst   they're the worst that's funny remember um you 
were saying like uh you met dr greger um that guy   he for those who don't know this guy is a major 
vegan proponent i did a meme i probably you know   i had i had mixed sort of feelings on this but i 
did i did a bit of a meme where i took a picture   of him it's classic picture of him a lot of 
people have done these these side-by-sides with   this picture of him he's holding some broccoli 
like looking like yeah and in that picture if   i'm not mistaken he's about 43. and i took a 
picture myself i'm 41 i'm turning 42 in january   and very similar age and i just put just a 
picture of me and this guy's always always   working out he's like in all his videos he's doing 
he's always on the treadmill walking he's doing   different sorts of activities and like this this 
guy's arm looks like a stick there's zero muscle   definition and you know i just had a picture 
of you know him against me he's like you know   vegan doctor carnivore doctor and i got 
a lot of people that you know thought it   was thought it was funny like oh yeah that 
says all but people say he's like oh well   that's not fair why'd you go against a you 
know an athlete or this and i'm like look   look this is this is fair you know it looks 
very unfair but we're about the same age   and i don't work out that often he works out a 
lot i bet you he works out more than me maybe i do   more weights than him you're right every video he 
does he's on a treadmill we have him in my movie   on a treadmill talking to uh mcdougal oh yeah when 
mcdougall was saying you aren't really a doctor   yeah yeah you know that story about him he's 
not really a medical doctor he never did   his rounds or anything um i got to tell 
you a quick story about gregor yeah um god this is hard i feel horrible but you know 
whenever you do these movies you have attorneys   that look at every frame to see where you can be 
sued right yeah i mean you have i have to spend   hours and hours on the phone with my attorneys 
because if it goes to court they have to go and   defend me so they have to ask me the questions 
down to all of the different pieces and you go   okay we have one more and he goes this is 
a really big problem we don't know how to   tell you how big of a problem this is 
i said yeah what is it he goes well   dr greger you have him talking to london real 
you know in a video i said yeah and i said but i   didn't pull anything out of context those are his 
words he says no but you make him look crazy so   an attorney can say that you pulled the clip out 
the one clip where this guy looks like a lunatic   and they can literally come after you and 
say well you were defaming him by finding   the one little clip of him looking 
crazy i said you know you have a point   i want you to go watch the whole london reel video 
and find me the part where he doesn't look crazy   and i said i want you to go watch any other 
video of this doctor where he seemed sane   they called me back about an hour and a half 
later and they said never mind we're good yeah when your attorney look because by 
the way i had to go pay this guy   per hour to go watch videos of gregor where 
he finally went yeah that's him in every video and there is something where people say yeah when 
you're a long-term vegan you go nutty like that   yeah and i've had long-term vegans who when they 
stopped being vegan they said yeah i was out of   my mind yeah you know i would have a thought 
and i was like what was the thought what was   the thought i can't remember my thought they they 
can't remember their their their cognition somehow   becomes diminished i don't know anything about 
it i'm not a doctor but they'll say you know ann   childer said she had to hire someone because she 
would put her shoes in a pantry with her dishes   and the next day she would open that sounds 
like something a blackout drunk would do yeah   right she goes i would open my thing and shoes 
were in with my dishes on top of the dishes yeah   this is a doctor telling me this right who's a 
vegan and you know they all tell me stories like   this it's like yeah my cognition and you see it 
when you watch mcdougall and when you watch ornish   and when you watch gregor these guys start you 
go wow they seem to be manic and crazy yeah yeah   that's what long-term veganism will do to you 
sorry it's just a fact yeah there was a there   was a study out of oxford in 2008 that actually 
looked at um different sorts of uh changes in   health and so forth and different diets and 
so forth and the vegan cohort that they had   they found that on mri studies they lost about 
five percent or more of their brain by volume   after five years of being vegan and they thought 
that this might be to do with low b12 levels   but i think it has i'm sure it's multi-factorial 
but i think it certainly has a lot to do with uh   not getting the requisite uh fatty essential fatty 
acids that you need dha's omega-3s and the very   long chain fatty acids which um you know your 
brain's obviously made out of fat but it's made   out of specific fats it's not just you know fat 
is it isn't universal you can't just take one fat   and turn it into anything else some some things 
can turn things into other things but we can't   turn our fat into these specific very long chain 
fatty acids to the extent that we need them   and so we need to get them from our our dietary 
source and they don't exist in plants you know you   can get long chain fatty acids about four percent 
of coconut oil is the are these long chain fatty   acids by 18 chain fatty acids but they don't get 
the 20 or the 22 chain fatty acids and we're quite   poor at making them and so i think that excluding 
both of those things you know vitamin b12 will   absolutely give you uh neurological issues you 
can get demyelination of your of your neurons   and so forth and your conductivity goes way 
down that means your brain's working way slower   your body's working slower and so forth and and 
the physical size of the brain actually shrinks   and that's just five years some of these people 
have been long-term vegans yeah for much longer   than that and and you know you had a guy on the uh 
on in the movie vegan gains that guy this guy's a   lunatic i've seen i've seen a few of his videos 
this guy's very very angry he's a very angry young   man and he gets he does these very violent videos 
you know saying oh be nice to animals or i'll kill   you all these sorts of things the guy has a couple 
screws loose and it sort of goes in with this this   whole pattern that you're saying these long-term 
vegans they go a bit manic they go a bit crazy and   i've certainly seen that i've seen um people get 
i i chalked it up more to sugar addiction people   um i knew this this girl who was just loved acai 
bowls issues just like i could just get so upset   i just get so fresh i just have to have my awesome 
like this is like this this is addictive behavior   this is someone their their uh their addiction 
they need their fix and uh you know you talk   about that as well how you know um in your movies 
how sugar is addictive which you know lustig has   has you know shown that it is a dopamine response 
to your brain in the same manner as cocaine heroin   and meth so this is this is actually is a drug 
and people are going for this fix um have you   obviously you know you you are saying things and 
showing things that go contrary to the narrative   what sort of feedback have you got especially 
particularly from the vegan community on all this   it's weird you know they'll come out and 
do the same thing they'll do to you or   whatever but sometimes i'll get death 
threats um i take them seriously um   um we we live a little i'm not off the grid 
grid but you know we live out and about and um   we i'm not gonna lie i have a concealed carry and 
i do carry and my wife carries she has a concealed   carry we have to um because you can't threaten 
someone's life and just go oh yeah he was kidding   you know these guys have threatened my life we 
also have guns you know tucked away and you know   it's kind of a hassle because you know when we're 
not around they all have to go in to the safe and   the whole thing and then they come out and they're 
all loaded and ready ready to rock and roll   yeah um i'm i'm a bit of a you know i have a lot 
of guns i know how to use them my wife knows how   to use them um i hope it never comes to anything 
like that um just to give an example we're leaving   for two weeks i'm saying that publicly here 
yeah um there are two cops that are going to   be staying at my house i i've hired two cops and 
the reason they're two cops is one is a nighttime   cop he works at night so he'll be here all day 
and the other one is a daytime cop so he'll be   here every night right so i have two active duty 
policemen who works different chefs and i was able   to get these guys because they're single they're 
young they take care of my house um you know we   have guard dogs and the whole thing when you think 
about that you know in order to do what i'm doing   and putting this out there this is what you have 
to you have to protect yourself yeah because there   are crazy people out there you know um you know 
i i look at what happens to people like ken berry   you know it's like that that was odd you know yeah 
his business got burned down they couldn't find   one reason for that and this house got burned 
down they couldn't find one reason for that   uh i don't know what happened there it could have 
just been double bad luck um but i'm not willing   to let that happen so there's going to be a cop 
car out in front of my house you know so when you   come by folks you'll see that you find out where 
i live and if you come by when i'm here good luck   because if i'm threatened you're going down it's 
this makes me sound like a lunatic and i'm not   no i don't think so no i think i think it's 
important you can't threaten someone's life   you know and what they want me to do is to 
just shut up right they want me to go away   i'm not going away you know you either 
stand for something or you fall for nothing   then you know i'm not willing to go away you know 
i didn't make it to 59 years old by being an idiot   yeah so i didn't mean to go that dark 
but that that's when you ask how is it   and what's it like it that's what it's like 
yeah you know it's um i don't get to live   as normal a life is not like but okay yeah well 
it's a shame i mean it's yeah and that's the thing   you don't really see that in the other way i mean 
like i'm not you know i i don't i don't go around   yelling at people because they you know they eat 
salads you know i'm not slapping it out of their   hands you know it's like you just killed 
that that's making oxygen for the planet   how dare you kill that thing yeah i don't 
see you and sean baker taking a knife going it's like really that's a threat not to 
me but to someone um yeah yeah well and um   you showed in your in your movies where they get 
these these vegan activists and and just people on   you know youtube or whatever saying you know you 
don't you don't care about the planet you don't   care about these animals or whatever's like you 
know why should you get to live you know something   like that that's that's that's a bit crazy you 
know when you start when you start um you know   marginalizing people's lives saying that you 
think something differently than i do therefore   you don't deserve the right to live anymore that 
goes down a very very scary track very bad track   and you know when you start uh doing 
that i mean you know the nazis did that   the the you know the russians did that in the 
ussr and so forth china chinese are doing it now   um you know you just be like you know you've done 
something different you have lost you know like   the social credit score and so forth it's like 
you do what you're told or else you don't get   to you you don't get to drive to work today and 
uh and things like that um you do actually touch   on that a bit um you talk about how you know 
and beyond impossible how all these different   all these different uh sort of multinational 
interests all sort of tied together obviously   to pursue their own interests but they 
they get tied into like the great reset   you talk about that a bit can you mention 
that a bit yeah it almost seems like   it's almost like uh you know i'm a flat earther 
when i talk about it but i actually show these   people you know at conventions and buying 
politicians you know yeah um i i don't do politics   um no one knows if i'm on the right the left 
middle you know i just don't i don't do politics   online i'm trying to help people get healthy 
yeah a friend of mine who's on the left he said   how how can you say kamala harris is against 
meat it's like well because i have video of   her saying that you know i didn't put those words 
in her mouth i don't care if it was kamala harris   or trump it doesn't matter to me yeah you 
know i get doing during the preliminaries of   of the um the democrats back when they were trying 
to figure out who was going to run against trump   i get cory booker because he's a vegan i get him 
saying hey if i become president i'm i'm going to   push veganism i get that more power to you corey 
but when kamala harris says it and she's not even   a vegan she's just going along with the narrative 
you see that's where i have a problem it's like   hey come on how about just speak for yourself 
and not because and you know when you see these   politicians in new york saying we're going to do 
meatless monday and in california we're going to   do meatless monday and we're going to call coffee 
a carcinogen because it's got acrylamide in it   you sit there and you start going does anyone else 
see this as not being a free country anymore no   because that's kind of the road we're going down 
and if you if you just close your eyes and just   let them do what they want to do that's where we 
end up we end up with meatless money mondays then   it becomes meatless tuesday then it becomes never 
meet for your kids and what good is that because   every parent wants their kid to be smart yet 
we're not going to give them the one brain food   they need and none of that makes sense 
to me no and then you go okay why why   is the second woman in line in the free world 
kamala harris why is she saying that well   because you have these multinational groups 
that are pumping money into these campaigns   and these puppets will say anything 
right yeah when you see it in the film   you go wow it looks like something out 
of um you know what was that uh the um   spy who shagged me you know i would over the 
world you know it's like it's this kind of   thing right and we're looking at it in real 
time going is this real and it it is it is real   that's going on so look out folks is coming 
yeah it was like you know you showed that um   that visual of whatever you know ad that they said 
you know you know 20 years in the future you own   nothing and you feel great and everything's 
so wonderful and so forth i mean this is   you know uh this is this is an old idea you know 
this could be you know communism this could be um   this could be imperialism it's all at the end of 
the day it's the government or you know the rulers   own everything and people own nothing and you can 
call it the people own it because you've taken it   away from jeff bezos and now now the government 
absorbs it but it's not you that own it it's   the rulers that own it it's the government that 
owns it and that's a that's not new that's not   progressive that's very regressive that that's 
an old idea most of society has been like that   where there are you know you have this oligarchy 
that they're in charge they own everything they   run everything and everyone else works for them 
and they own nothing oh and they're so happy   um this was actually an argument well in the ussr 
certainly well everyone was so happy in their   standard living they were so wonderful blah blah 
blah blah this is this propaganda that was pushed   out there uh that there was this wonderful utopia 
and of course it wasn't it was absolute hellscape   um but they also did that during uh slavery you 
know they were arguing that people that hired   workers were actually unethical because they're 
like well you're just giving them money they   could do anything with that money this poor silly 
person could just go and just buy alcohol and get   drunk and not buy food for their kids you know 
i'm feeding their kids i'm feeding their family   i'm putting a roof over their head they're 
never gonna go hungry they're never gonna   you know get caught out in a winter we're the 
ethical people so it's the same perverse twisting   of reality and the facts to make you like wow 
that that sounds really good and really safe it's   like you guys are arguing for your own enslavement 
where you own anything and everything is provided   to you by the government well what is the def 
what is a good working definition of slavery   you don't own you know the the product of your 
labor and you get you know exactly what you need   to survive well slaves did as well they had 
a roof over their head they you know they ate   meals and so forth they didn't starve to death 
because they were a commodity you couldn't do   that and that's literally what these people are 
arguing for and it blows my mind yeah it's a   very very sad state of affairs and you know i'm 
always saying that to my stepdaughter and anyone   who listens like look you know you'll probably 
be okay but your kids won't yeah you know it's   i'll be long gone you know and um you know god 
only knows what's going to happen to the planet   you know the only reason i do any of it is you 
kind of want to do whatever you can while you're   here because once you're gone and then that's it 
right so if i can make the world a little better   place while i'm here yeah it beats the hell out 
of doing nothing you know just around you know so   i'm trying to do my part and people fight 
back and i just kind of go okay fight back   do do whatever you want to do but i'm just going 
to keep doing this yeah because um it seems to   be helping some people and hopefully it becomes 
this kind of mushroom effect where you know it   just becomes a big mushroom cloud and it affects 
enough people to where we can get it rolling you   know nina and i have sat down over a drink and 
just lamented you know have we done anything   that did any and on some level you you go wow we 
haven't done anything in another level you go well   we got people talking you know people 
are talking there's people like you   you weren't around 12 years ago but you're here 
now right and you know there's gonna be and now   you're gonna affect someone else and they're 
gonna be around right talking about this   just like i couldn't put the word 
ketogenic in my book i was scared to   now the term keto you could put it on a bowl of 
sugar and sell it if you want to you know so you   know something is happening it's not nothing no 
right no i think i think it's making a huge impact   know i think that this is you know the reason 
i'm so passionate about this is because i   i honestly think this is this is one of the 
most pressing issues that we face as a society   and it it undergirds a lot of other problems in 
society you know just just to think about this   since the since the recommendations back in you 
know 1977 1980 uh in the u.s saying that you   know you should stop eating fat stop eating meat 
because it has cholesterol and so forth you know   the obesity rates you know tripled heart diseases 
triple stroke rates triple type 2 diabetes cancer   all these things have increased to such a large 
degree and they almost didn't exist you know i   argue that you know all the chronic diseases that 
we treat nowadays are not actually diseases per se   but they're actually you know combination 
of you know toxicities and malnutrition   toxic buildup of species and appropriate 
diet and a lack of species-specific nutrition   and and and i think that you make a very good case 
for that in your movies as well all the different   people talking about you know all these different 
chronic diseases and so forth from eating   inappropriately and i think that that's really 
it and when you consider the fact that sugar   and carbohydrates and so forth contribute 
to heart disease obviously and diabetes these are some of the most expensive diseases to 
treat and we're doing this all wrong as doctors   we have we have this this paradigm model in 
our heads that we treat diseases so someone   has a disease let's treat the disease but we also 
treat poisonous poison exposures right and what's   the most important thing when you have a poison 
exposure you eliminate the exposure right so all   of a sudden you have lead pipes you have like your 
welding with like lead welds or something like   okay you got to get rid of those so you don't keep 
poisoning yourself but we're not realizing that   that we're actively poisoning ourselves we're 
saying oh we have a disease let's treat the   disease so we're doing that all wrong and it's 
very very expensive and just diabetes in america   nine percent of americans are diabetic 
or you know type 2 diabetic mostly   and that accounts for 75 percent of the 
medicare costs in america so that's a huge   huge part of the budget now consider the fact 
that 40 of americans are pre-diabetic okay so   if they don't change what they're doing ostensibly 
we could have 50 of the populations or thereabouts   you know a diabetic in in you know a decade 
or so what the hell is that going to do well   it's not if they don't change just when 
they don't change because there's nothing   that happens you know that's a yeah that's a 
rolling downhill it's you know unless something   stands in a way of any of those people unless 
they hear your podcast or unless they come upon   something that that stops the rock from rolling 
downhill they're all heading there right the   problem is never going to get better and as long 
as you you have medicine doing what it's doing   we don't have a chance right and they don't care 
the drug companies don't care they're making out   yeah like bandits yeah yeah they're doing well you 
know what no one cares from their perspective you   know so it becomes well how do we fix this well if 
you said to me vinnie how do you fix it it's like   well in theory we can fix the whole problem in 
under two weeks now you know if if everyone just   stopped eating carbohydrates everyone just 
all together all carbohydrates was gone we   just pulled the macronutrient away or we get 
everyone to do at least a two-day fast and then   you will we can reverse the whole problem without 
a drug without doing anything else without any   cost whatsoever yeah two weeks that's that's 
pretty amazing right yeah that will never happen   no that will never happen what i'm saying think 
about it how how long did it take any one of your   patients to change when they wanted to yeah 
to go from this to that it's about two weeks   yeah no it is yeah about two weeks so if 
we did that to the population game over   you know you're losing a big comorbidity 
so when something like covet 19 comes   around it becomes like any other flu you 
don't have people dying from it right   you know no one's looking at the root cause of 
why people are dying with covet 19 yeah it's   not healthy lean people it's morbidly obese 
the word morbid is baked into the title right   but let's not listen to vinnie let's not just 
reverse this you can reverse them one at a time   i can reverse them one at a time well i just think 
if we did it like everybody all at once which you   can't do it it'll never happen yeah right well 
yeah well that's that's why i really think that   you know your films in particular are very very 
important because they get this very vital piece   of information out there and and you're hitting a 
wider audience you know i was never i was really   interested in this you know from my own knowledge 
because i was just fascinated by it i thought   it was pretty amazing and i thought this would 
really help people and like you say this could   could absolutely you know change the face of 
medicine and the face of people's health around   the world and just dramatically i mean because 
we spend trillions of dollars you know lustig   pulled out a a statistic once um saying that 
you know we spend 2.4 trillion dollars a year   just treating the effects of sugar consumption 
just sugar and you know that i mean okay so the   the united states defense you know federal defense 
budget every year is 750 billion dollars okay so   that's one-third of what we spend treating 
sugar consumption so right that's your health   care crisis right there everyone's talking about 
we should we should do this or we should do that   really what we need to do is just get sugar and 
carbs out of the equation and we're spending   trillions of dollars less and that money you 
know doesn't just go nowhere you know that that   it's redirected into different industries and and 
fields and and is very beneficial like obviously   we've advanced medicine in a lot of ways but 
we've advanced it in a direction that doesn't   need to exist you know we're we've advanced it 
trying to figure out diseases that only exist if   you eat stupid crap and if you don't eat that you 
don't need it and so you know those trillions of   dollars a year could be much better spent treating 
diseases that we don't have as much control over   um and and so i think i think that's very 
important in getting that word out there because   i i think we're at the beginning of something 
you know quite large you know the truth will   out you know the key you know like you're saying 
the ketogenic you know uh you couldn't say that   back in the 90s 80s 90s now it's like you know 
it's a fad and like it's not i wouldn't call it   a fat i think it's a movement and because people 
are having actual legitimate results with it and   then carnivore as well because people are really 
really seeing some very significant results with   it and i think i think things are starting to grow 
and i think you know your podcast and your movies   and so forth and hopefully i can reach some people 
as well i mean i never was really interested in   you know social media and so forth but i just 
felt that i needed to get into it because   i i just i wanted to be able to reach more people 
and try to get this information out there so that   people could learn what i saw and then and then 
decide for themselves i don't care what people eat   i just i just want them to know uh the facts and 
know what they're getting into and then they can   make adult decisions like i don't care you know 
if people want to smoke i really don't care as   a doctor i'm not supposed to say that i don't care 
you know if you know what the risks are and you're   an adult and you want to take those risks go ahead 
you know look away no one's going to stop you and   but when when we're telling people that eating 
look we it you know it's like when i was telling   dr drew a couple of weeks ago you can make 
the argument well smoke if you want to i agree   when you smoke you know what you're taking on 
but when you're being told by your government   that what you're eating is fine dr drew was 
making the point he goes you know there's been   these studies that um you know sugar lights up 
the same area of the brain as cocaine yeah and   um he goes it's not exactly the same because he's 
an addiction medic medical medicine specialist and   he goes you know it's not exactly the same 
i said yeah but drew here's the difference   we know that cocaine is a drug and it's bad 
for us it's a recreational drug it's bad yeah   we serve sugar to kids at birthday parties yeah 
yeah yeah that's the difference okay they're   not exactly the same they're both addictive 
we're giving one to kids and we're telling   you the other one is something a supermodel 
does you know with a rock star so you know   so yes we're telling you that one is 
benign and the other one is a drug   it's worse when you're lying about one of 
them yeah well that's what we're talking   about is sugar so yeah well and that's the 
thing like like i was saying i don't care if   people want to smoke i do care if doctors 
tell people that smoking is good for them   that's when they did in the 70s by the way exactly 
yeah and so you know and and and we're there with   you know uh you know sugar and grains and you 
know healthy grains and all these sorts of things   and i would say vegetables but you know not 
everyone agrees with me but that's my math   but you know i don't care if people eat 
vegetables i don't care if people eat grains   or whatever but i i don't like them being told 
serious misinformation that that goes against   the all the available high quality evidence that's 
there and so you know people people know that this   is bad for them and they still want to do it 
fine but like you say sugar i i honestly think   that that should be age restricted i'm very 
libertarian on these things i think people   should just be able to do what they want to do 
with their lives but um you know giving kids um   you know this amount of sugar i think i think is 
is pretty serious because you know this this you   know like you were saying it was addiction maybe 
it's not exactly the same as cocaine but it does   give a dopamine response to the addiction centers 
of your brain there have been mri studies um   lustig references a few of them uh where it 
actually because obviously when you when you   excite your neurons it actually damages them and 
the breakdown products of your neurotransmitters   actually damage your neurons which is a very 
bad design i don't know why it's like that but   you know so they need to shut off in order to uh 
you know repair and to break down these these uh   neurotransmitter byproducts into safe um you know 
revitalize them into neurotransmitters so you need   to sleep you need to turn these neurotrans neurons 
off dopamine is an excitatory molecule so it turns   on your neurons and it keeps them on and then 
your brain is going like you're going to start   killing these things so it starts dropping your 
receptors down this is tolerance okay so now you   need more to get the same effects you need more of 
this drug to hit those fewer receptors to get the   same result that you want and you keep doing that 
and doing that eventually these neurons are going   to die and so they've actually done mri studies 
looking at this and seeing that the same areas   of your brain die when you do this and after long 
enough i'm sure it's not you know the same time   period or anything like that but eventually you'll 
you'll kill these things off to to nearly the same   extent as someone who's addicted to drugs um 
that's very serious to me and being able to   give that to kids oh they like it well i'm sure 
they'd like coke too and they you know and this   is something that you know lustig has shown and uc 
san francisco biochemistry department shown quite   conclusively biochemically that this breaks down 
into the same by-products as alcohol so it damages   their same you know their little bodies to the 
same extent as alcohol there are some some studies   that look and say suggest that when you absorb 
fructose through your gut lining it actually   converts it into glucose and that that may be true 
there's one study saying that that i've seen so   that's interesting but you know the fructose that 
makes it to your liver does break down into the   pro same products that alcohol does and so this is 
damaging this is damaging their little bodies and   you know as as lustig points out you know you can 
you can um you can only drink to a certain extent   and eventually you'll get too drunk and you'll 
pass out right you can eat sugar all day i   mean i was i was like 10 years old and we went to 
costco when we moved up to uh kirkland washington   and they had a 10 pound bag of gummy bears and 
i just freaked out like gummy bears are like my   favorite thing as a kid and i was like oh my god 
can we please get this i somehow convinced my we   normally didn't allow sugar in the house somehow 
convinced my mom these ten pounds of gummy bears   uh during summer break and i just sat there 
just literally eating handfuls of gummy bears   like all day just playing video games and i 
just felt absolutely sick and my tongue was   raw they didn't taste good anymore i couldn't 
stop eating them i just kept going i was just   like i don't want to do this but i just i kept 
just shoveling handfuls of this crap in my mouth   the next day i remember like first thing i woke 
up i just thinking about gummy bears and i was   just like are they going to taste good like oh 
should i really eat them go in out there start   eating them like oh they taste good again like two 
handfuls in they start tasting like crap again i   kept eating the whole damn day i polished off this 
10 pound bag of gummy bears two and a half days   wow you were just chasing a high yeah you know 
it's interesting you could say that you couldn't   taste them anymore because um i don't think i've 
ever actually really had a gummy bear so i they   look disgusting to my generation like chocolate 
is what we wanted um we wanted real candy man   but i i've done this experiment with several 
people and every time i've done it they went wow   wow i had no idea um and i did this i haven't done 
it since i left la i've told friends and clients i   said you realize when you go to a froyo a frozen 
yogurt place you're not getting any other flavor   other than high fructose corn syrup and they 
said what are you talking about i was like   i said you ever noticed they'll cause they'll 
call one chocolate one strawberry and one vanilla   and they said yeah it's like you're not tasting 
strawberry chocolate or vanilla you're tasting   you they're suggesting that that's what you're 
tasting so your brain is making the connection   and this is way there's no way i said okay let's 
go out to a froyo place i've taken people out   and done this and they go oh my god what i'll 
do is i'll get three cups of froyo chocolate   vanilla strawberry and i'll say okay i want 
you there's a spoon in each so there's no cross   yeah i said i want you to take one scoop from 
each take some vanilla take some chocolate take   some strawberry take one scoop of each now 
all three have been on your tongue right yes   okay now i'm going to blindfold you you blindfold 
them and you hand them a scoop of one of them and   say what are you eating right now they hardly 
ever get it right yeah give them chocolate   they'll go oh that that's that's strawberry you 
can give them vanilla the one they usually get   over and over is vanilla whether it's vanilla or 
not right you know that's the one that seems you   cannot tell the chocolate from the strawberry from 
the vanilla but if they're gonna and when they're   gassing yeah they'll get guess vanilla first and 
if that's what they actually took in that time   that's that's the only it's it's a non-official 
study yeah but when you're eating this junk you're   eating this the suggestion of what it tastes like 
not what it what it actually tastes like right   think about that yeah that's funny it's crazy 
yeah that's wild today yeah they couldn't do   that like yeah i think i haven't eaten ice cream 
or frozen yogurt in a long long ass time but like   yeah i could i'm just trying 
to think back like yeah it is   more subtle than that like you are just getting a 
big just shock wave of sweetness and you know and   and to that that end you know that's not 
what chocolate tastes like that's what a   buttload of sugar with some cacao tastes like 
you know he's like chocolate itself it's just   bitter is all hell i think that's that was sort 
of my theory on why people really love chocolate   is because it's so bitter that you have to 
add a ton of sugar to it and so you have to   you can hide more sugar you can hide more of 
this addictive drug as you you get more of the   fructose you get a bigger dopamine hit and some 
people go i really like that probably because of   the dopamine i don't know that's just sort of you 
know well no i i've done that too people will tell   me in consults they'll go i'm a chocoholic i'll 
say do you eat 100 chocolate and they'll say no   you know so 98 no what's the highest you 
could do 68 is like okay you're a sugarholic   yeah you know if if you're a chocoholic 
it doesn't matter you want 100 chocolate   yeah and it tastes kind of like a more bitter 
coffee and that's all it tastes like right   yeah so you know what what are you really really 
really getting yeah so yeah it's the same thing   wine when people say yeah yeah i had some wine 
you know there was taste of stone fruit and this   is the sugar you're enjoying the wine because of 
the sugar and you're getting high yeah yeah yeah   exactly yeah i think they'll start with the stone 
fruit and there's some raspberry now i can get   some yeah i can almost taste the wood yeah it's 
like if they had like uh you know if cocaine was   legal and had like you know different connoisseur 
problems like oh yes it's just you know all the   different sorts of smells of uh cocaine and the 
accent there was a there's a movie psalm have   you do you know um it's about like three guys are 
becoming like a master sommelier like the highest   of the highest uh somalia is stupid hard exam 
like that it's like this multi-hour uh written   exam where they have to you know talk about all 
that you know the history and the vineyards how   you do all this shows a lot a lot a lot of history 
i mean he's got to study for years for this thing   and they're already somalia they have to go all 
the way up their eggs there's something like only   like 168 people have ever been this grand master 
sommelier or whatever and these guys went through   i think two of them made it and one of them failed 
but maybe made it later so it was actually pretty   good for them the um the things they were saying 
it wasn't like back in in uh back in the day where   they're you know talking about the you know the 
promiscuity of the wine and the legs and all these   sorts of things like you're describing you know 
some sultry woman or something like that they were   talking about the most ridiculous things they 
were like yes um it smells like um like a fresh   fresh cut garden hose and uh wet rock and cat's 
pee i'm like what the hell are you drinking   apparently it's just a sort of a memory trigger 
they would they'll just sort of jabber about   the wine that they're saying it's like all this 
kind of like this note this this don't and then   though excuse me when they're doing these taste 
tests because like that's part of the test   is is you have to try all these different wines 
and you gotta like like pick the vineyard pick the   obviously the type of grape and like the year and 
you you have to like you have to figure out what   bottle this is and you know where this comes from 
is basically they've drank a lot of wine and they   just do this and they just go over okay this is 
like like a wet rock or this or that and they just   have these memory triggers and then when they're 
they're doing it's like okay wet rock cat pee   you know fresh dirt oh this is this one you know 
but it sounds hysterical when these guys are   describing this um i i think it's worth watching 
that movie just to watch these guys well i i'm   gonna watch that because you know i'm i own a 
coffee company too and i can do it with coffee   oh nice but with coffee you're picking up usually 
you'll get something of an of an acid and it could   be more of a stone fruit or it can be like a 
peppery you know either black pepper or white   pepper so you start picking up some of that and 
some of the stuff out of somalia and some of   these different countries will actually taste 
like a berry and then you have to sit there   and sip it long enough to go is it raspberry or 
blueberry usually blueberry right and you know   there's way you know there's ways to taste 
coffee you have to you know do a tasting and   i could do that and since i'm i'm a coffee guy 
and i own a coffee company i know how to do it   i've done it long enough you develop a nose for 
it but my daughter who loves wine she'll take   me to a wine tasting right and she knows i know 
nothing about wine and um so they'll pull them   out and i'll sniff them and i'll be able to 
pick out one or two things you know there's   seven things in there usually i could pick out 
the wood because all of it it was all aged in   a [ __ ] barrel so yeah i could pick out it's 
like okay it's it's oak most of them are oak   this oak was charred because i could taste the 
burnt char in it i could pick up that i can   usually pick up a fruit yeah but usually i'll get 
fruit wrong yes it's great it came from a grape   but now i can pick up you know like if it's a 
stone fruit i could get because that almost tastes   like a copper you know it's almost like copper 
taste and i know whenever i get that copper taste   the problem with wine is because i 
never eat sugar the first hit for me   is it tastes like grapefruit juice right and 
by the way i'm not drinking this stuff i'm   you know because the way you get it onto the back 
of your tongue and into your your adenoids is to   you know you got to get that slurp going right 
you gotta get it to the back of your throat   that's why i could pick up those two but 
i really have to fight with wine because   since i'm not a sugar consumer the first thing i 
get is oh my god i feel like someone just gave me   a bowl of sugar yeah to pull something out of that 
lucky for me i've never gotten cat piss out of it   that was the thing you know they were they were 
describing this stuff in the most disgusting ways   it was just like if i was if i was a maker 
of this wine i'd be really offended that you   were describing this in this manner you know it's 
just like it smells like a wet dog and i was like   what are you doing you know like when you get 
a chance when you get a chance go online and   watch guys describe cigars they're smoking oh yeah 
they'll go they'll do like a dry before they even   light it they'll go okay um i'm getting straw 
from a barn in december really where were you   in a barn in december you're strong from the 
morning 16th exactly yeah right yeah around   the middle of december because you know that's 
when it gets a little damp and it's like okay   how about you getting tobacco because you just put 
tobacco in your mouth are you getting any tobacco   anything yeah it's like i hope you're not getting 
straw because there shouldn't be straw in that   yeah it's like you know the guy in dominica i'm 
sure he didn't put straw in your cigar you know   or cuba or wherever the damn thing came from but 
i don't know how i got onto those but a guy sent   me one once and i was like because he knows i'm a 
coffee guy and it shows these guys it's like okay   the first half of the cigar tasted a lot like 
um you know i'm getting some i'm getting some   some white pepper and a little bit of raisin 
raisin it's like raisin from a cigar yeah and   and then they like they'll they'll do time lapses 
okay i'm halfway through it's lost its raisin   but now i'm getting wet sack like what sex like 
who's wet sack we're talking burlap sack or some   dude in the locker room chat because if 
this is the case i never want a cigar no   i think i'm gonna yeah wait as soon as i'm taking 
a wet sack whatever's in my mouth going out of my   mouth yeah it's like i i'm getting burlap and wet 
sack but you know and sometimes they'll say okay   you know in the springtime if you go past a roll 
of hay and you smell it is it really dude yeah you got to go white i'm not making this up and 
then they'll do okay i'm on the last quarter   and they're like burning their knuckles and 
going yeah okay it's like at any point did   you get any zipple lighter fluid smell in there 
anything smoke you get any smoke yeah you're   insane you've been popping up smoke now for an 
hour what are we doing now it's great i love   watching stuff like that that's so funny yeah 
because they take it so seriously too and yeah   i think any anybody you sort of look at it 
has to be funny because it's just like that a   no you don't like i i just i just don't believe 
like the all these like you know sensation   coming there it's just smoke it's it's noxious 
smoke i you know i've had cigars i enjoy cigars   i don't smoke anymore just because i know 
i don't i don't want that in my body but   um you know i you it's an acquired taste you know 
like whiskey i thought you know when i was younger   growing up i thought it would be cool to be one 
of those people who drank scotch as an adult and   you just drink it it was hard for me to actually 
get a taste for scotch it just it just tasted like   gasoline and you know and then you go to you 
know you go through scotland and you do these   um scotch stores and then you start you know 
they're talking about the different notes and   different sorts of things then you start you're 
really picking out the different qualities of   those scotches and then you actually start getting 
a bit of an appreciation for it because you know   what goes into it you know what they're looking 
for what they're trying for and and for some   reason in me that that actually starts bringing 
things out better and i can appreciate it more   and so you know i liked whiskey and scotch but you 
know objectively it tastes like battery acid and   that's the same thing with with uh you know cigars 
and things like that so like you know talking   about the the subtleties of you know the forest 
fire that you're inhaling right now is a bit odd   no you know i've i've learned to appreciate scotch 
but for me you know just give me something with a   little pete in it and i'm good to go because 
that that now tastes like something yeah but   if you ever notice it's kind of like the yogurt 
you know people say oh you say you enjoy scotch   but you'll have one glass it's like yeah after 
that it all starts tastes like gasoline to me   yeah well you know the first class you know first 
couple of sips i'm good you know it's literally   i'll pour a real ounce right even at home and 
they'll say well if you really enjoy scotch you   really don't drink that much it's like yeah 
because it it loses its appeal after a bit   yeah they have to try to enjoy 
you know just like with coffee it   if you're drinking it all day long yeah at 
some point it just tastes like coffee and   i'm a guy who has a palette for it right but 
at some point it just starts to taste like   cocoa chocolate you know just coffee yeah 
yeah i think um have you ever tried lagavulin   yeah yeah i think i have some i'm looking 
back at myself i might have some here   yeah yeah good i've always liked it i thought 
it was um you know i started in like parks and   rec once you're like ron swanson that guy was 
that was brilliant character that they had for   him and he just he would drink like the lag 
of vulene and things like that and just eat   a bunch of steak you know he did his blood test 
and like it was just like perfect everyone was   expecting this guy to die i thought it was that 
was quite funny they were making fun of it and   but he was actually it was funny that 
they were actually right about this   this guy just just ate tons and tons of meat they 
were like oh this guy's gonna die and all these   sorts of things and he's like the healthiest guy 
there and all his bloods were like amazing and um   we always drank lagavulin and um i remember 
thinking that was like oh that may be just   something for the for the show uh but then i was 
in scotland and i had never heard of it before   and i was just in this this uh distillery and 
all of a sudden was there it was like like   i'm like you've got to be kidding me like this 
is right that's a real thing yeah yeah and so i   you know i got it i thought it was great you know 
it's very it's very pd um and not not everybody   likes that but i really liked it you know 
you have like other things like laphroaig   that like like to me that just sort of tasted 
like you're sort of cleaning out the bottom of   an ashtray it was just so strong especially like 
the old like a 10 year old or something like that   i think it hasn't mellowed enough but then i got 
like a 16-year uh lagavula and i was like okay i   get it this is what they're going for with that 
smokey pd sort of taste like this is actually   the finished sort of refined product and like 
i get it i get what they were going for here   if you get a um it's kind of a cross between 
there's a little peat in it there's a little smoke   um but it's a great crossover and it's kind of 
crisp and clean um talisker 10 or talisker storm   i think they just sell the storm in the united 
states um which is basically the 10 but it's a   little less expensive i think that's how they they 
do it but talisker puts just you know most of the   isle of scotches have you know the the p they dig 
to pete up fresh right there on the shore yeah and   somehow added in a why stuff special i watched a 
whole documentary on this guy that makes scotch   and i can't remember the name of it or i tell 
you and it was a great documentary and um it's   i'm always interested to learn something you know 
whether i'm interested in that you know it's like   oh great a documentary on scotch yeah this satin 
one as a matter of fact my friend the guy who   wrote um die hard 2. uh he was staying with us 
and uh and he was like have you ever seen a single   scotch and we i mean oh god i gotta watch this and 
he put it on i was like hooked yeah big time yeah   yeah i think those things are really interesting 
actually you know you don't you don't uh you don't   think about it but um just seeing like you know 
the nuts and bolts behind these things i think   it's really cool like even just like doing those 
little tours at the the whiskey distilleries   i i just think they're really interesting 
yeah i've actually been to talisker as well   uh i believe that's on the isle of skye um is it 
island i think it is i i i i i think it is i would   have to look it up but i think it is it's around 
there anyway i went i went to the isle of skye on   that trip and so you know maybe i'm confusing it 
but it's anyway i went there and uh it was really   nice i tried the storm i thought that was that was 
excellent and um and and the isle sky itself is   just gorgeous and a lot of these distilleries 
are just the most idyllic places i went to   um edra dower it's the smallest commercial um 
scotch distillery in scotland so the world it   looks like you're just when you drive into this 
place it looks like you're driving into the shire   you're expecting like some hobbits to walk around 
the corner or something like that it is just it is   just picturesque and you have this little creek 
that comes down that's where they get the water   it's absolutely stunning just these green rolling 
hills all around i mean it's just beautiful it's   a in a town called pit lockery which is just a 
stunning area it's just i was just just driving   through and just sort of saw like oh there's a 
there's a distillery let's go check it out i'm   so glad i did it was absolutely stunning and you 
know they just they just take you through and show   you how to make it so i could you know i could 
definitely see you know how that you know all   these documentaries and things they really tell 
you about i think they're really interesting even   though it's not something that i do you know it's 
just it's just interesting how people do things   yeah i you know i like i said you know i'm a guy 
who will watch guys smoke a cigar and talk about that's what he's into you know um my new year's 
resolution this year is to build a cedar strip   kayak you know because i want to learn how to work 
with wood yeah right and what better way to learn   how to work with wood than to build a boat yeah 
out of wood and um you know i could have done   you know you know planks or whatever anything no 
i want to do cedar strip because that seems to be   the the right way to do it you know where you 
really have to pay attention and um but unless   you go and video that stuff or look at it or 
you know watch a video or watch a documentary   you know when i was a kid we had abc cbs and nbc 
that was it yeah you had to watch charlie's angels   a love boat or you know gilligan's island 
yeah now you know i got this like 80 inch i   don't know if you can see it i have it on the low 
section that black thing you see behind that yeah   whenever i'm on my spinner my tv goes up and down 
the wall so when i'm on the spinner i'm looking   down so it's down and when i'm on my rowing 
machine i put it up high on that wall and um   i just get educated you know it's like what world 
do i want to walk into today do i want to watch a   guy smoke a cigar or do i want to watch a guy make 
scotch or do i want to watch a guy make a cedar   strip kayak yeah and whenever something becomes 
of interest to me i go okay i need to go build   this kayak now and you know most people for new 
year's resolutions are always talking about when   am i going to give up you know i got to give 
up something i got to give up got to give up i   looked around what do i want to add you know what 
do i want to do i'm sick and tired i've made three   documentaries in three years i'm sick and tired of 
making films you know i'm not even a filmmaker and   here i am making documentaries so now i want to 
go build a boat yeah you know um and that's just   the way life works yeah so what what's what's next 
for you you said you don't really want to go into   doing another documentary or anything like that 
what what sort of ventures do you have in mind um   i think after building you know i'm going to build 
the boat i need to do that to cleanse the palate   yeah i have a couple of ideas for more 
documentaries but i want to take five minutes   um um and see how i feel about them um i think 
i've been lucky at least two times and i hope i   get lucky i hope people like the third one as much 
as they like the first two um because that's where   the money comes from people think i take money 
from beef companies and everything else yeah i   do these documentaries with my own money so i have 
to make the money on the last documentary to make   the next one so the first thing i have to do is 
see if the money comes in on the third documentary   so i can have money to play with right otherwise i 
have to take my money you know i think i mentioned   in this podcast i i own a vitamin company i own 
a coffee company and i have a foods company nsng   foods and it that kind of becomes a full-time 
job yeah i guess it does when you when you   it's kind of a full-time job and um i do five 
podcasts a week and uh i'm a correspondent on the   adam corolla podcast and how nice you know so i i 
do all i do is talk and and run companies and um   when you do that you need to do something else and 
i think that's how the documentaries came about so   i think i'm going to just take five minutes and 
build a boat yeah and um once i get that done   who knows i might start a sky's distillery   i don't know i might hire a couple of cubans and 
start rolling cigars i i don't know you know but   i'm just interested in how things work in life 
and um and i'm just i just you know go down those   paths and see what else is out there yeah well 
that's great um what's the best way for people to   download your your films or or watch your films 
um yeah what's the best way for people to access   them well i don't know when this podcast is 
coming out do you know when this is coming out   uh i'll probably put it out uh this week or next 
week okay so right now you can get my movie either   here or in europe um by going to apple itunes 
and you can you can um pre-order it um and you   can buy it that way on the 11th of january it's 
coming out worldwide it's going to be on vods   around the world um again i have not i you know 
when i make my deal with gravitas i refuse to sell   it to netflix or hulu or any of those companies 
oh really they can take my films and bury it   like if there's one vegan at those companies yeah 
they'll hand me a big check right and i am not   opposed to big checks what i am opposed to is they 
could give me a big check and never show the film   right um the reason my movies have done well is 
because they are on at least 70 vods around the   world including as you mentioned your friend 
saw my movie on an airplane um people send me   you know from malaysian airlines and from here 
there that's pretty heady and sometimes when i   get out in an airport somewhere around the 
world someone will go i just saw you on on   coming in and you're the guy you know 
because i do wear the same shirts   i'm usually dressed like i'm 
dressed in a movie and and um   so it's everywhere versus just being on hulu 
or netflix or hbo right um you can watch it   once it comes out it'll be on vimeo it'll be on 
youtube that you have to pay for it'll be on um   itunes amazon amazon prime it'll be everywhere 
um so that way wherever you are you could be in   india or pakistan or anywhere and you can watch 
my movies great and then and there's the same   platforms that you can get um that uh one and 
two as well yeah yeah gravitas ventures um we   my first movie found a documentary is the number 
one selling movie of all times um for avatar's   ventures and think about the aerial they've put 
out um and it's um it's funny because i'm not a   filmmaker and yeah i don't even call you know i i 
just call the president of gravitas because he's   who i made the first deal with and so i get to 
bypass all the other stuff because i had a hit   right yeah which is kind of a lucky move you know 
i was like i just called brendan to go hey i got   another movie i would send it over you know i'm 
like oh i didn't know life worked this way but and uh so it's kind of neat no that's great um and 
then you have you have the your podcast as well   uh it's fitness confidential and that's um and 
you and you're doing five episodes a week still   which is yeah yeah it's a crazy amount of shows 
um i'm thinking this year of dropping it down   to four a week and rolling one of the other 
shows into my monday show i'm thinking about   rolling the saturday show you know 
because it's a it's a success story show   of fans okay and everyone loves the monday show 
so i was thinking maybe cutting that one out   and just rolling that into the monday show and 
just bring those people on to that monday show   oh cool i haven't made any real decisions yet 
so at least four if not five podcasts every week   that's great and then so um and then what's 
the best place to find you on social media   and so forth yeah just pop my name into the google 
machine i answer questions on twitter every day um   i'll put new stuff up on my instagram daily um 
vinnie tortories.com you can you know get the   podcast there and we put up i have a free pdf at 
vinnie tutorials.com it's completely free it's not   clickbait or anything else um it's been downloaded 
over 300 000 times people just go there and get   it and they lose weight and they get healthy 
it's just truth and i just hand it out for free   well that's awesome and yeah i think 
you said in your in your film that you   literally at this point you've helped tens 
of thousands of people um and so that's um   obviously going to going to increase even more 
with these movies and the impact that they're   having um yeah well thank you very much i really 
appreciate you taking the time to come out i   really enjoyed it and uh i look forward to doing 
it again yeah anthony anytime you want to come on   my show anytime you want me to pop on and do one 
of these men you're a pleasure so just let me know   absolutely well i absolutely will take you up on 
that thank you very much you got it brother thanks