The Carnivore Diet: The REAL Game Changer for Athletes!

fasting can be beneficial in in cancer because you're not you're not bringing in glucose you're also not bringing in glutamine you make some glucose you make some glutamine so this is not a perfect situation but you are severely limiting the the the food supply for these things and as a result you know people are doing better and that's obviously what we want hello and welcome to rugam Matrix America coach talk we have an unbelievable guest today we have Dr Anthony chaffy he's actually a hero of mine because I had allowed myself to get pretty obese if you could uh to put it mildly if you kick me down the street I would be rolling for about four miles I was so fat but I chose to change my lifestyle especially after being um injured pretty badly and uh and paralyzed for a little while and then needing to get myself back in the into shape and what I started doing was was eating what a keto diet then I would start eating something called keto Vore which is like a little bit stricter of a keto diet and then a few months ago I decided to try a carnivore diet which is basically meat and salt and water and I'll tell you I have never felt better in my life and a lot of my friends have have exposed this and told me to do it and and I always believed in it and I always and I I've read the I read the Atkins diet thing and I and it made sense and but there's a couple of things about uh seed oils and things that Anthony's going to get into but we're going to talk today primarily about how you can eat low carb and still have high performance Sport and and particularly carnivore but we can talk about low carb and and why low carbohydrate diets are very good and low carbohydrate diets are very good for athletes you could see me High carbohydrate moving to low carbohydrate and you're built like this you can see Anthony low carbohydrate diet lifting he lifted he probably worked out more in the last 24 hours than I worked out in the last eight or nine years so let's just say we're going to listen to him and we're not going to listen to me but I will ask the questions Dr Anthony chaffy actually is a very highly accomplished rugby player he was uh he was a tourus with the night 1998 u19 team that went to New Zealand with Tony Smith and Mike tolken there he he played up in Seattle he played in the British Columbia league and the US Super League he played for arach for three years went over to the Royal College of Surgeons was also playing over in England in the uh Champions League the national one at the time but it was the uh division below the Premiership and he was playing with Tony Smith over in Trinity but that was a little bit more difficult because he was also in medical school and now he is studying as a residency in Australia to be a neurosurgeon and I am so happy that Joe rone gave me the uh the contact for Dr Anthony chaffy and we are going to speak about all things carnivore and the first question I'm going to I'm going to welcome you to the show but the first question I want to ask you because it's an amazing answer is how did you come to being a carnivore because it's a great story and a great speech that you gave at at the low carb down under conference welcome thank you yeah well thank you thank you very much I appreciate it it's a pleasure to be here well so I I started on a carnivore diet uh probably around the year 200000 so around 23 years ago now when I was playing up with Seattle and uh and for University of Washington so I was I was playing for both teams at the time and I was taking cancer biology at the University of Washington um we were going over all the different sorts of things that can cause cancer all the different sorts of places you'll find carcinogens and and a major one was in the food that we eat and in particular the produce that we eat the different plants and vegetables and even fruits that that we eat and mushrooms and so we sort of knew this biologically I mean I remember learning in the seventh grade that plants and animals are an evolutionary arms race plants becoming more and more poisonous so less and less animals can eat them so they can survive and thrive and that's how they survive in the wild all living organisms have a defense mechanism right and so animals can run away they can fight back they can hide uh plants can't they're stationary so they need other means and one of those most effective means is by actually being poisonous or making defense chemicals that can disrupt the animal in some way and and deter it from eating them or even kill them if they try to eat them you know we know this intuitively you get lost in the woods you can't eat any random plant if you run out of food right most plants will make you very very sick or even kill you and that's because most plants are what we call inedible plants why are they inedible because they're toxic they make these toxic poisons but that doesn't mean that the plants that are edible are completely benign they don't have any toxins they do have toxins we just have we we have more of an ability to break down these defense chemicals and and weather the storm so we were going over all of this again uh but we were going at it from a cancer perspective looking at the different carcinogens and and we were taught 23 years ago that just Brussel spouts alone had over oh had 136 known human carcinogens in them and that mushrooms had over 100 and then spinach kale lettuce celery cabbage cucumber broccoli you name it any plant that you've ever eaten or any ever seen at the store we were given list of how many carcinogens there were in them at known at the time uh and there were dozens dozens and dozens in each and every one there wasn't a single one under 60 so that was quite shocking we were all very very taken aback by that I remember looking around wildly we were all looking around wildly thrashing around looking like trying to find the TA sitting in the corner like laughing or something like that you know in on the joke but there wasn't anyone and so it finally dawned on us that like okay this guy is serious and in my head I remember thinking well but but vegetables are still good for you though right because this has been drilled into our heads our entire lives and he just sort of gave us a funny look he must have just read our minds because he looked at us and he said yeah I don't I don't eat salad I don't eat vegetables I don't let my kids eat vegetables plants are trying to kill you so in my head I was like right you forget plants I'm just not going to eat these stupid things again I went to the grocery store after that and just was walking around the aisle like what in God's name do I eat because everything has plants in it everything's plants or is plants or made with plants and so I was just walking around and I finally came around some eggs and I was like okay eggs eggs don't come from a plant I guess I'll get some eggs and I came by the meat aisle and just grabbed some meat like okay meat doesn't come from from Plants either so that was it I defaulted into a carnivore diet just simply because I didn't want to eat plants so what what else is there to eat so it was plants or fungus I should say and and so I just defaulted into a carnivore diet and I didn't really know how significant it was I didn't actually think about this from a biological perspective that humans actually are carnivores this is the kind of animal we are we've been apex predators for about 2 million years that's what all the best evidence shows and predominantly we have eaten meat uh prehistorically and historically generally people that are unable to get an adequate amount of meat or the ones that are eating plants that's were uh people with agriculture you know came from they were just sort of eating more plants because they had to um and so I started just eating meat and I and my athletic performance just took off to all new heights and I was playing in the the BC Premiership with Seattle sarens uh now the Seattle SeaWolves right there and um and then we were playing in in you know the US leagues as well and then playing Super league as well playing sevens so doing all that and and and playing for University of Washington at the same time and my my fitness and athletic performance absolutely just just skyrocketed after that I I I took it absolutely new levels I was able to just push myself so hard to the point that I got so fit I I literally couldn't run out of energy I was at a dead Sprint every practice every game and I just couldn't wear myself out I couldn't get tired and I never experienced anything like that uh before or since until now so when I was 25 I was playing in England and I sort of slipped off of it at that point sort of unbeknown to me I I didn't really think about it too much apart from uh you know still being very focused on meat but some of the meat was breaded or had some crumbing on it and it was just much more convenient to to get it like that where was already precooked and so I remember thinking to myself well you know maybe it's not that big of a deal dose makes the poison it's only a little bit you know maybe it's not that big of a deal but I do remember a few months into uh my time there thinking to myself you know I was getting bit more nagging injuries I was uh just not feeling as fit just not feeling as sharp and I remember thinking to myself like why don't I feel it's just superum amazing as I normally do am I not pushing myself am I not working as hard I I'm 25 now is that it I'm I'm over the hill I'm just just just downhill from here my body's just going to deteriorate and you know I didn't didn't think of it at the time but that that was that coincided with exactly when I started just I mean literally just some some crumming on chicken and that was it and the rest of it was whole meat so that little bit made a massive difference and impact in my health and my performance and the biggest thing the biggest impact that it made was that I wasn't very Stark like I will not eat plants nothing with plants is is going to be in my diet uh it's s little things started slipping back in and I ended up going back to really a whole food diet mostly meat-based but I would still have some salad or some you know some bread or something like that uh but still very you know Whole Foods I always really cooked for myself and and I sort of slipped off of it and so I never had that same level of fitness and ability that I had in my early 20s and you know you can just chalk you know some people might chalk it up to age but uh when I was 38 and came back to this and and came across information that it was just like no actually humans are carnivores it's just the kind of animal that we are and that's the way we're supposed to be eating and just like any animal in the wild any animal in the zoo if you feed an animal what it's biologically designed to eat it's going to be much more healthy much more vigorous and it's not going to get these these you know nagging chronic ailments that that we face as a main stay of modern medicine and I looked back and I was like that's what I was doing you know for 5 years I was I was living as a carnivore and that's biologically what we are and that's why I've never felt better in my entire life and so at that point I just I was determined I was just like right that's it I knew it I knew plants were trying to kill me get rid of these stupid things I just cut them out and then at 38 I went on a carnivore diet and all of a sudden I just got back from doing humanitarian work I was doing um some volunteering as a doctor in the refugee camps in southern Bangladesh helping the rohinga refugees escaping genocide in Burma and so I was not working out hadn't played a full season of rugby in three years and I was you know fat and out of shape you know I mean for me and two weeks on a carnivore diet I felt so good I was like right I'm going back out I'm going to play with the sarasin again who had just turned that year uh joined the the mlr and as the SeaWolves and so I was like right I'm back out I'm going to I'm going to go out and play and I felt great I hadn't I hadn't run you know properly in in a year or more and hadn't played a real season in three years and I felt great I was out there you know running you know step for step with everybody and even though they've been there for months and and I hadn't been doing anything and I felt amazing and you know two weeks in you know I'm just getting better and better and better and my my fitness is already picking up and I felt great I unfortunately had a knee injury that year so I wasn't able to actually you know play properly but physically I felt amazing I you know my my athleticism was back on you know on par for when I was in my early 20s and I had 15 more years of of experience on the field now so that was great and you know I I felt absolutely amazing you know my body worked like like you would hope that it would that most people when they pass 30 they're they're struggling to stay on top of it but uh I you know I felt better at 38 than I did at at 28 you know playing in the Super League down at arbach and you know and so I just I just ran with that and so I started really digging into the research really digging into the literature and started looking and say okay what do we know what can we prove and just asking questions and trying to find answers and I when I as a doctor when I looked at this you know problem we face of modern modern disease and modern medicine when I started looking at human health from that perspective that humans are carnivores that's the kind of animal we are and we're we're carnivores that are not eating as such and we're eating these plants that aren't actually uh we aren't actually completely capable of detoxifying properly they don't have all the requisite nutrients they need they even have antinutrients that can stop us from from Gaining proper nutrition even from meat and uh and that's what's harming us and hindering us and everything in medicine just started slotting into place and I started uh applying this into my medical practice and and have seen absolutely fantastic results for my patients as well as for athletes who um who I've spoken to and have gotten on a carnivore diet and have really taking their game to the next level that's uh that's definitely pretty interesting and and and I haven't tried to do anything performance-wise with uh with this obviously but uh but that's everybody's main question is where do you get your vitamins from where do you get your nutrients from Bruce are you out of your mind there you go that that I'm not cool with that answer but uh but that's that's really the question is is my kid said to me he's like you're the only guy know he like celery and and but I wanted to and first of off brussels sprouts taste like we talk about the evolutionary thing about that why bacon on them because bacon tastes great and Brussels sprouts don't but I like you to get into bioavailability and and some of the reasons evolutionarily that we're die that that this is the proper human diet yeah absolutely so I mean you think evolutionarily think about that bad taste why would we have evolved to hate the taste of something that's good for us why would we evolved to hate the taste that that's hate the something that is the best for us right you know deer don't go around eating the shitty tasting leaves right they don't have a a health coach going like you know I know those taste like but they'll look great on your ass you know just eat those like those these like that's not what they do do right they eat what tastes good right so you know and that's because our tongue and our brain are sophisticated machines is one of your major senses is one of your major sense organs and they can recognize harmful chemicals and so that's where that bad taste comes from it's like it's a warning it's a direct warning from your body from your brain saying hey there's something in here that's bad for you do not eat this spit this out and that's why your natural instinct is to spit it out that's why if you give an infant you know broccoli or something which most people find quite benign he's like oh yeah broccoli I don't mind it you give it to a kid I mean it's just like his face turns and he'll cry and spit it out and and be very upset and that's because their brain is telling them hey do not eat this this is bad for you now there are other things that that may taste good for you that aren't necessarily good for you like sugar but sugar is an outlier it's a drug it gives an addiction a dopamine hit to the addiction CS of your brain just like cocaine herin and meth and there are studies with MRI showing that fructose specifically kills same areas of your brain as meth to the same extent as meth okay so this is a drug and it's an addictive drug and so you you get that sort of hit your body recognizes this we think evolutionarily that that fructose is very very sweet the sweetest of the carbohydrates because we recognize this as something that we can we can eat safely in the short term there isn't anything that will kill you dead that contains fructose that we know of and so it's thought that we evolved to recognize that as more sweet because we we found it's safe you get this quick hit of energy and you can go on you know to get your your Mammoth or whatever you're eating um so that's um so that's a bit run a bit of a rundown on taste evolutionarily as far as vitamins are concerned um everything you need is in meat in the proportion that you need what are we trying to do when we eat we're trying to build and maintain animal tissue we're trying to build and maintain meat so what has everything that you need animal tissue meat right and so any animal I mean this is why you see like deer and milk chewing up you know snakes and moles and things like that and just eating them right because animal tissue is good for all animals but only certain animals can transform plant tissue into animal tissue it's actually quite difficult most animals aren't able to break down and metabolize um fiber and so you know actually no vertebrate animal can can break down fiber but the bacteria in their gut they have a special you know gut like the rumin of a cow they cultivate these bacteria they can break down the fiber and they actually the bacteria break down the fiber and as a byproduct they secrete short chain fatty acids and then the bacteria die off and and that turns into protein so cow eats grass and fiber but what they absorb is fat and protein and so you know that is you know to your point out bioavailability that is a a very uh important nutrient that fiber which is strings of glucose are not bioavailable to us we cannot access those uh those glucose molecules we don't have the capability of it and we don't have the guts that can Harbor those bacteria so back so plants will defend themselves by many many means there's they make about the plant kingdom makes about 1 million different chemicals most of those are to poison or deter animals and insects and stop them from eating them is killer be killed in the wild for plants as well as animals and one of those defenses is you know not necessarily being poisonous but by locking up and sequestering their nutrients in in ways and with bonds that we can't break down and that that many animals can't break down so you know you look at spinach oh look at this high iron content look at all this calcium in there that is not available to us we don't actually have access to that there were studies in 1950s uh giving people a bunch of spinach say oh we want to raise their their calcium levels and they found that paradoxically their calcium levels actually dropped and that's because their calcium is not available and in fact they contain a a very high amount of oxalates it's one of these defense chemicals one of these class of Defense chemicals oxalates they turn into oxyc acid in your blood this is something that would strip rust off of uh you know like clothing or or side of your building or something like that so this is very very very tough stuff and now this stuff is in your body it's not great for you and that can bind calcium and other minerals and strip them out of your blood and then you need to pull more calcium out of your bones in order to replace your serum calcium or else you'll die you cannot have uh you know below a certain amount of calcium or your your heart will stop you'll have an arhythmia a fatal arhythmia so in fact people they were eating uh eating uh salads or or spinach and uh you know salad or whatever even though there's a lot of calcium in it their calcium would go down because calcium in there wasn't available and they had oxalates that were now stripping more calcium out of your body and there there are many many many more examples of this but you know the Protein that's in Plants uh is not very bioavailable there even proteas Inhibitors and things like wheat and soy that go in and block your enzyme proteas enzymes from the pancreas so that even if you're eating like a sandwich or you know some a piece of bread with a steak or something like like that that Proteus inhib just gets in there and now your your body has more difficulty breaking down the 100% bioavailable protein that is in meat so you know of the Protein that's available in Plants a it's it's not 100% bioavailable but there's also other things in there that can make it even less available and and stop you from absorbing these things as well fiber fiber is an antinutrient as well because it actually it makes physical blockages between your end enzymes and the food that you're trying to digest and then the digested food and the alumin of your intestine so you can't absorb it so you can't break it down as well you can't absorb it as well and so this thing goes into your colon bacteria get a hold of it this can cause disbiosis and and you know people talk about the microbiome and how this is you know good or bad depending on on where you're at but this disrupts your microbiome because what you eat is what your microbiome eat and then you eliminate it out you just you know just goes in the toilet and it's not going in you whereas if you're just eating meat and you're only eating meat not with all these fiber not with all these these um digestive disruptors you'll absorb 98 plus per of the meat that you eat and so you'll you'll see this in your in your waist you'll actually not go to the bathroom more than once or twice a week because you're absorbing all of this stuff so there's nothing coming out people freak out about that oh my God it must be constipated must be all blocked up well no if you're eating enough fat and you're eating things in the right right proportion then you won't get constipated um just quickly on that we our bodies have a limited capacity to absorb fat and after we run out of that fat goes out and it's that excess fat that actually keeps your stool soft so it doesn't matter how long that stays there it can stay in your colal until Christmas fat repels water so it's already dried out right but it's the fat that's going to keep that soft and so it can stay there for as long as you want but it'll remain soft and and come out fine so those are just some of the some of the things so um and there are many many many examples of the lack of bioavailability in uh imp plants um but in um in meat you get everything you need one good way of looking at this okay well you know people look at the you know recommended daily allowances maybe this doesn't have all the you know the manganese that you need or vitamin C that's a common one oh you're going to get scurvy well I've been doing this for you know six years now again I don't have scurvy I don't have any sign of scurvy I'm remember actually thinking that in my early 20s I was like do I need to eat a banana or something or take a multivitamin and I remember I was like well you know I feel good my gums aren't bleeding so I'm just going to ride this out and see what happens and of course you don't need that the Inuit don't need that the Messi don't need that there are populations alive today current civilizations that have never uh eaten anything except meat or animal products or at least predominantly so and you know people can say what they want about you know different populations but when you get up you know a couple hundred miles away from the North Pole like you're not eating plants there are no plants and so you know when we on the ice flows up in you know Northern Canada and Alaska that's what you're eating is meat and uh and that's what they they traditionally ate and what about our ancestors during the ice ages what plants were available for them to eat none especially in certain areas when it's just just covered in ice sheets when we were hunting mammoths uh you know the people that crossed the land bridge from Asia to North America during the last ice age where exactly were the the the potatoes and yams and and and citrus fruit to get them the the vitamin C they weren't there so you know intuitively in that way okay well people have done this since the you know the dawn of History you know the dawn of um of humankind uh and and have been fine but let's see from a from a scientific perspective okay vitamin C we need x amount of vitamin C well fine well what do we need the vitamin C4 to Stave off scurvy scurvy is a mydevelopment of your your of your collagen and so you need Vitamin C to catalyze a reaction to hydr Proline and lysine and these are proteins amino acids that form up collagen and if they if they're not hydrolized then they don't bond properly you get weak connective tissue you start breaking down and you can die it's very very serious and you can have problems long before that as well so the problem is is that depending on what you eat you need a different constellation of nutrients vitamins and nutrients okay so when you're eating carbohydrates for example carbohydrates you know uh look very similar molecularly to vitamin C so vitamin C looks sort of like a fructose molecule with a little tail on it and it just so happens that these are similar enough that they actually use the same uh transport molecule uh glute four receptor to bring these into your body and then to utilize them through throughout your body and so when you're eating carbohydrates and your blood sugar is high you're actually going to block out a lot of the vitamin C so you need to eat a lot more vitamin C to overcome uh this blockade and then have even more in your system in order to you know utilize that effectively if you have high blood sugar so if you're eating carbohydrates you need a daily amount of vitamin C measured in milligrams but if you're not eating carbohydrates then you only need Vitamin C measured in nanog so that's 1 millionth of a milligram okay so it's very very different and there's an absolute abundance of vitamin C and meat if you consider uh that if you're not eating carbohydrates and in fact there are a lot of you know wild animals and you know liver as well or regeneratively farmed livestock grass-fed grass finished uh they actually have way more vitamin C than that and so even even if you looking at the rdas they would still will satisfy our need for for vitamin C even if you were eating carbohydrates but if you're not eating carbohydrates you don't need nearly as much you need roughly 1 millionth of uh the amount of vitamin C and so so that's the main thing if you're not eating plants you're not eating these things that can disrupt your body's ability to absorb and utilize nutrients you need far different nutrients far different amount of these nutrients and meat gives you everything that you need and that's why I think that we're not omnivores optimally I mean omnivores in a sense we can eat other things but cats can eat other things too cats are classified as obligate carnivores and yet they can get 60% of their uh calories from carbs okay so does that make them omnivores because they can eat something no uh because they they thrive on meat that's why they do their best healthwise and that's us as well so there's nothing in plants that we have to have that we cannot get from meat if we're only eating meat and we're not guming up the works but there there are things in meat that you have to have that you cannot get from plants and so you have to eat meat you don't have to eat plants and in fact you don't want to eat plants because they have these defense chemicals they have these hormonal disruptors they have these digestive disruptors that make it more difficult for you to thrive and succeed as as an individual when you're eating them so for Optimal Performance for Optimal Health we are obligate carnivores I would say so that's very interesting if a lot of people say there's good carbohydrates and bad carbohydrates and and even net carbohydrates when you take out fiber and and and you would just explain there that fiber isn't necessarily great and I used to take celium husk all the time and my poops were gigantic and and but you know and and as you said eating eating carnivore you know I may I may go to the bathroom four times a week you know maybe three and then people like you know and I used to be like one of those guys with you know Al Bundy and and Arie bunker walking down sitting on the ball know you he hear the big crash going um one other one thing about can you talk about how the body really is trying to absorb as you go down the digestive tract that it is trying to absorb fat and protein dly and and when the minute it gets carbohydrate whe whether it's complex or simple you know the complex gets and it is trying to eliminate that out of your body through you know insulin and how hyperinsulinemia and all that kind of things that can cause metabolic syndrome probably what I had I and you know I my quote unquote blood work was good I didn't have high blood pressure any of this other C all this other stuff I'm but meanwhile I'm 300 and something pounds like give me a break and I'm 5'8 with a lump on my head uh you know so this they as I say kick me down the street and I roll four miles so and that's so could could you talk about that because PE PE look this definitely scares the out of people only because it is so against everything they've heard and I think that a lot of people learning that a lot of that you heard is nonsense if you haven't woken up in the last I would say in in my world 40 years but all right let's just say in the last five or six that if you haven't woken up yet then you you're probably staying asleep yeah so I mean but that's the thing though I mean that's what we've been told for the last 40 or 50 years but before that it was it was the exact opposite it was the exact interrup you can I interrupt you yeah one of my favorite I don't watch TV I haven't watch watched TV in a long time like I'm watching in 13 years actually or or read a newspaper in 13 years but so I'm relatively uninformed but however South Park was one of my favorite shows because it's irreverent toward people who were sanctimonious and Chef used to always have a thing that he would serve to the children it was Salsbury State day and can you tell us about Salsbury steak Yeah and why Salsbury steak is great for you and then you can get into your bioavailability cuz then you can see that Chef did have wisdom and and so anyway yeah well I mean Salsbury stake that was um that was actually named after a doctor named Dr JH Salsbury I always thought it was a place named like Salsbury England or something like that but no it was it was named after Dr JH Salsbury who was a new who was a New York doctor in the 1800s who did a 30-year research project into the Optimal Health uh for human beings and he and he tested a whole bunch of different things experimental trials eating different sorts of things looking at the results he lived with the Native Americans and PLS Indians for a while uh who were only eating buffalo uh all year round and there there's actually studies showing that the pl those Plains Indians in the 1800s just eating buffalo they were the tallest human beings on Earth they were the tallest population on Earth and the average height of a population denotes the average health of a population so These Guys these guys were giants they were monsters and they were just eating meat and that's why they were giants and monsters actually before the Agricultural Revolution we were 5 in taller bigger brains 11% larger brains um had had less teeth tooth decay and crowding all these sorts of things directly after agriculture uh hid in you archaeologists can actually and pale anthropologists can actually look at um the skull shape and and the the mouth formation things like that and can actually tell if you were before or after agriculture because they were shorter in stature 5 in shorter smaller brains messed up teeth and Jaws way more cavities and crooked teeth that's not genetic that's actually um uh Mal malnutrition and they had all these different signs of tuberculosis in their bones in their spine and and signs of poor wound healing shorter femurs all these things are signs of malnutrition of of poor nutrition of worse nutrition and so the Plains Indians did not suffer from that these guys were monsters and so he saw this he saw how they were doing he saw that you know by their records we didn't have uh you know government records for them at the time but they were living to be 110 115 120 years old or more and that seems a bit far-fetched considering that we we generally have an average life expectancy in our 70s around the world today but if you understand that we know as geneticists now I I learned taking genetic genetics at the University of Washington uh which was was that they spearheaded the human genome project this is one of the top genetics programs in the world I was taught that human beings are genetically designed to live 120 years on average right and so that's what we're genetically designed for so if what that means is if you just stay out of your own way and just don't mess up you should make it to 120 without doing anything special and yet we're dying in our 60s and 70s why is that I think that's because we're eating the wrong thing and we're we're curtailing our our health and our life our life expectancy um so he was seeing this he was noticing these guys were living to be great age they weren't just you know turning to dust slowly over decades in the nursing home but they were out there as living a stoneage Nomads with a pack on their back you know following the Buffalo herds day in and day out you know these were you know hail and Hearty fit active adults in their in well over 100 years old and with no modern medicine or anything else so he found that through his experimentation through his research Decades of research he found that this was long before processed sugar before seed oils even existed but that people that were eating more grains and plants were getting disease diseases other people simply weren't they were more susceptible to tuberculosis they were getting autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis Crohn's Ultra of colitis uh they were getting gout all these different sorts of things um that that were causing huge huge problems we did not have the pharmacological options then as we do now and so people were really really suffering and so he found that he could cure these people by putting them on a pure red meat and water diet and so just by putting on just a beef only diet just our Pure evolutionary diet that you got rid of these things what does that mean that means that something in the food is causing these diseases that's triggering uh and precipitating these sorts of very serious illnesses in the genetically susceptible it's not going to do it for everyone you know if we you know not everyone's going to get rheumatoid arthritis but some people who are genetically susceptible will and so that's what he found and so he wrote a book called uh the relation of alation and disease alation being your Al Elementary track is your digestive tract so the relationship between what we eat and the diseases that we get brother's book in the 1800 saying that these foods cause these diseases and so if you want to get rid of these diseases you stop eating that food and you just go back to eating just red meat and water and that was something that was actually well documented well studied for decades after Salisbury and multiple books and Papers written about that afterwards there was even as as recently as 1975 there was a doct uh velan who uh was a gastron neurologist and he wrote a book called the Stone Age diet and he showed he just argued hey look humans are carnivores this is the the the evidence for this and the diseases that we're facing nowadays as they're going up this is because we're eating plants we're not living as a carnivore and he basically argued that all the different IBD ibf sort of issues that he treated as a main stay as as a gastroenterologist would just go away if you just stop eating plants he's like you know you don't need my profession if you don't eat plants and so that you know there's hundred years of medical literature and scientific research and and books written about this up until 1977 when the USDA declared that cholesterol causes heart disease saturating fat increases cholesterol stop eating all these things and of course that vilified meat vilified eggs because they had ftic cholesterol in them and that was it before that everyone damn knew that meat and fat were the most important things that you could get and when people could afford it they got it that's why it's called rich food oh it's very rich that was that where that comes from rich people could afford fatty food the fatty Cuts were what the rich people got because those were the good cuts and that's what people wanted and so in 1977 USDA said that cholesterol causes heart disease and that and that's where all this comes from so so meat became vilified but what happened with that right well we reduced our red meat intake by over 33% reduce fat and cholesterol by about the same increased fruits and vegetables by 30 and 40% respectively really increased the amount of grains that we were eating tripled the amount of high fructose corn syrup we were eating tripled the amount of seed oils we were eating and what were the results well the obesity rate tripled heart disease tripled stroke rate tripled cancer rates tripled type 2 diabetes autoimmune disorders Alzheimer's Parkinson's even neurodevelopmental delays such as autism all increased exponentially they almost didn't exist before then now are the only things that we treat and people say well maybe we didn't notice it maybe just people weren't paying attention that's garbage you know people absolutely paying attention you look back at the literature the these were very very very well uh documented uh in their prevalence and incidents throughout uh you know America for sure and Europe as well uh but let's say that everyone was you know everyone born before 1986 was an idiot and just couldn't pay attention just couldn't notice that someone was was having bloody diarrhea 30 times a day they just didn't notice and uh you know for someone with crohn's disease um or that their children just weren't learning properly and had autism which is a well described uh issue at the time so we knew well about it but in the 90s they made that claim so well maybe we just weren't noticing this maybe you just weren't noticing that children were getting what was called then adult onset diabetes instead of actually thinking about why 10-year-olds were getting type 2 diabetes they just renamed it type two diabetes before it was adult onset diabetes and juvenile diab I abetes and now it's type one and type two right or flipped around so maybe you could say that we weren't paying attention before that which is wrong but you could say that um we were paying attention after that and every successive decade these diseases have gotten worse and worse and we're again eating less and less meat more and more of these uh things that that are not biologically uh you know appropriate for us and we're getting sicker we're getting fatter we're getting sicker and and uh and and this problem is compounding so I think that's directly related to eating the wrong thing the main reason and and the thing is we know that that's wrong in the first way we know we see the evidence right we we we run the experiment we played this game it's wrong right the you know physicist Richard fan said it doesn't matter how brilliant your theory is and it doesn't matter how smart you are if it doesn't agree with experiment it's wrong so we ran the experiment with hundreds of millions of people in America with billions of people around the world and every single country that followed our recommendations has seen the exact same increase in obesity and and chronic diseases when they follow those guidelines every single one every single time and so there you go it's wrong but we also have we also have documentation of this you know we have the the the tobacco files where the tobacco companies uh you know I've been lying for 30 years to Congress saying oh there's no evidence that you know uh cigarettes cause cancer we have all these studies that show that actually you know doesn't do that at all and is not addictive at all these sorts of things but then their memos came out their internal memos got leaked that actually said yeah we we fully know that this stuff is horrible and awful we need to cover this up and we need to put out opposition research well now we have the sugar files because the Journal of the American well University of California San Francisco Medical School uh published in the Journal of the American Medical Association jamama which is one of the top medical journals in the world uh published in 200 16 actual internal memos from the sugar companies detailing how they paid off three Harvard professors to falsified data and published fraudulent studies to make it appear as if cholesterol caused heart disease when it was really sugar and to exonerate Sugar and say it was safe and it was just an empty calorie that's where that phrase comes from and one of those professors was named head of the USDA and it was he who authored and published that 1977 declaration saying that cholesterol caus heart disease saturated fat crease cholesterol stop eating that and it changed the world it absolutely revolutionized how we think about nutrition how we think about food and to the the utter detriment of our health and it was a lie we know it's a lie we even know what they got paid we know their contracts they got paid $6,500 which is equivalent of $5,000 now so the guy bought a you know a midside sedan know he went home with a Camry and that was what his his uh his uh soul and integrity was worth and and the health of humanity was worth other people are the same an keys this guy was a professor out of out of Minnesota I think um he was on cover of Time magazine for coming for for really being the face of the cholesterol theory of of heart disease who's a paid shill we know that he was paid too we know he was on on the payroll for these guys as well and he we have clear evidence that he doctored and fudged and Cherry Picked in his studies vilifying or just just even showing a a correlation between cholesterol and heart disease which you you can't prove causation from correlation right but you know so there's never been any high level evidence showing causation between cholesterol and and heart disease none ever and in fact his own studies actually didn't even show a correlation or a weak correlation at at best and there are plenty of studies that show there's no correlation at all between higher LDL cholesterol and heart disease or saturated fat and heart disease in fact the Journal of American College of Cardiology published in 2020 a large literature review looking at you know all the the available best evidence on saturated fat and cholesterol looking at randomize control trials uh meta analyses everything like that and they concluded that there is that there is no association no correlation between increased saturated fat intake and heart disease so you can't prove correlation uh you can't you can't prove causation from correlation but if you show that there's no correlation that proves there is no causation you cannot have causation without correlation first right and so there's no correlation that means there's no causation so there is no correlation between increased saturated fat intake and heart disease and in fact they found that there was an inverse correlation between saturated fat intake and stroke rate so people who eat more saturated fat lower risk of getting a stroke lower saturated fat higher risk of getting a stroke so that's you know completely backwards and so yes you know people are concerned like oh my gosh what about cholesterol what about this what about that yeah that that's that's a concern that we have but that's why we were lied to we were misled and we we have we have the notes we have the papers like this isn't this isn't a question anymore we we know for a cold Frozen fact that this was a fraud and that you know this that saturated fat and cholesterol and meat were never a problem in fact University of Washington just published a major paper last year showing that there was no ill effects from eating meat especially processed red meat they went through hundreds of studies you know that that that you know said oh well red meat's bad it can cause cancer they said these were lazy studies these were bad science often biased one of the biases that they have was uh including uh meat in in processed foods so just calling a processed food because they have an ingredient of meat they're say well that's that's meat then so Pizza sometimes has toppings that are meat therefore Pizza is meat fast food McDonald's whatever hamburger patties are meat therefore you go to McDonald's that's meat and so they they they counted that so people that would eat less fast food obviously would have better health outcomes they were like oh that's because they're eating less meat it's a fraud and so they looked at that and they found that there was absolutely you know no indication no evidence that that meat was actually uh Health detriment at all and so and certainly not a cancer risk and certainly not for unprocessed red meat and people say okay what wor about processed meat well what are they processed with they're not processed with more meat it's not meat added into meat they add in Sugar they add in chemicals they add in other sorts of seasonings and and plants right they're not adding in meat they're adding it's so it's all those other things that they're adding in that hey everyone if you need a little extra help getting started on a carnivore diet and my online resources that I have for free aren't enough for you you can go to www.how carnivore docomond carnivore challenge where you'll have online Resources Group support weekly Zoom meetings as well as the ability to chat live with myself Simon Lewis and the others in the challenge who can help you and support you and give you extra advice and help you along the way so if that sounds like something that would be beneficial to you then please go to how carnivore and sign up all right thanks guys we'll see you there um you know what I just want to say one thing before you is if if you're thinking about correlation and causation just for listeners is say a person lives to be 85 years old and they're a smoker it doesn't mean that they lived to 85 because they smoked it's generally probably in spite of the fact that they smoked or that they had three glasses of scotch every day like and and a lot of times people like yeah well my grandfather did this and and it's like you know he probably also ate a a healthier diet than than you're giving him credit for he probably had bacon and eggs most days for breakfast he probably had you know some kind of a steak for dinner with maybe a vegetable he probably did not eat order out pizza every night and do things like that but the reality is that because he smoked wasn't the reason he lived that's yeah that that's all I just just wanted to to explain that and and I would want you to can can and I know I I threw you off with the Salsberry steak could you go through that digestive tract and why like in the appendix why we don't have one and or it's like a non anything but in other animals it's a big ass thing and it's a and and why we are carnivores and like our stomach acid Etc yeah absolutely yeah so and and just to your point you know with correlation like people say was like well you know my my you know my grandp parents lived into their '90s or almost 100 and you know they did X Y and Z okay well we also have already covered the fact that we're supposed to live to 120 so even if they lived to 95 they died 20 25 years early right on average right so you know it's not necessarily a great thing you're they're doing better than the norm but the norm is sick 90% of Americans have at least one metabolic illness 70% of Americans are overweight or obese so you know comparing yourself to to the average is not where you want to to be you want to you want to compare yourself to what you are genetically capable of and we are we are genetically capable of doing a hell of a lot more than we are now so um as far as um our digestion well like you like you alluded to like our our our bodies are are geared up towards eating fat so why would fat be bad for us if we have five organs working in concert just to absorb fat right go to our stomach that starts break the breakdown process pushes it into our our uh in small intestine our liver makes bile gallbladder stores it and then pancreas makes enzymes that uh break down uh fat and proteins and and make it available then B mulfy the fat and then your small intestine absorbs it right so you have five organs all working together one of those things goes wrong you're not absorbing fat all five of those things have to be working well together um well you not all of them have to be perfect but you know they are all working together to absorb fat and that is that is because fat is extraordinarily important to our health and our energy and our longevity it is an essential nutrient it is not just a calorie Source right so there are essential fatty acids that you need like DHA EPA and many others and fat soluble vitamins vitamin K2 D3 uh vitamin A and so on so these are these are essential nutrients they're not just calories as far as our digestion people say you know we're um we don't have big teeth and fangs like a like you know like a lion or a wolf and of course we don't because uh first of all we're primates you know so we're we're not a Kaline or a feline so we have primate teeth you know and also we don't kill things with our mouths so we don't need big crazy clashing you know fangs and what about a gorilla gorillas are herbivores right they they they just eat plants right they've got big teeth big Jaws big fangs right that's not that's not uh you know predatory that's be defensive and just scare people off or whatever but you know they're eating sticks and that's why their jaws are big that's why their teeth are big so we have primate teeth with carnivorous adaptations when we started our ancestors millions of years ago started eating more meat start EA more and more meat we started getting more and more adaptations towards where we are today so our teeth started getting smaller our Jaws got smaller our muscles of mastication or temporalis muscle got smaller that's because we're eating softer and softer Foods we're not cheerwing on sticks all day like a gorilla is so they need big Jaws big muscles you look at the gorilla's head most of that is the it's temporalis muscles it actually has this crest of bone up here it brain is much more sunken in big muscles over the C over their head like that and that's just because they just have to chew so much really really tough material like a millstone they've just got to grind the stuff down day in and day out they have to eat you know around 60 lbs of leaves a day right and just just to just to get the amount of nutrition they they don't even get all the nutrition out of that they actually don't get all the vitamins like B12 and things like that they don't get that just from eating leaves they actually make it in their colon and they have to eat their feces to get enough vitamin B12 or to get any vitamin B12 so if that's what you guys want to do you can go for it I I will pass I'll just go for the for the steak myself but you know and then you know going down the track uh in our digestion you get to our stomach our stomach acid is extraordinarily low I it's certainly within the range of other carnivores it's generally below two and it's going towards what we'd see in in scavenger carrying animals like vultures you know so we have actually have a very very low stomach pH and that's because eaing meat and some of this meat may be old may be that you know we didn't have refrigerators all that long and so you know they had they had a high bacterial load and so we needed a really strong concentrated amount of stomach acid in order to break this stuff down and not get an infection herbivores have much higher pH it's much more towards basic any from 4 to six depending on the animal and or maybe even higher so we have extraordinarily uh acidic stomachs and um and then you look at relatively you we have we have actually pretty short guts very very short guts and so we actually need to have very very high density nutrients we it doesn't it can't take forever to to digest and absorb like a gorilla gorill got a big gut big belly that's all just Loops of intestine so we have a much shorter gut and so we you know it's thought that we we sort of directed energy towards our brain to grow our brain and fun this very expensive brain from an energy and and uh materials uh point of view so our guts suffer because guts are very very energy dependent as well so our guts shrink and so if you look at it people say oh well you know if you look at a proportion with a line and this and that it doesn't none of that matters we're primates so compare it to other primates compared to other primates we have very long small intestines which is where our meat gets digested and absorbed and we have very very short colons which is called a large intestine and that in herbivorous primates is actually the opposite so they have shorter small intestine much longer colon and seeum it's it's and they're called hind gut digestor they very very long hind gut in the the colon and the seeum and that's where fiber packs in and breaks down so you mentioned the appendix so we have an appendix about that big and um that's a vdal seeum well a seeum in primates and other primates who actually are herbivorous that thing is about 4 feet long it's this big long looping thing with a with a dead end so this is a blind pouch and goes in there and uh and and that's where all this plant material and fiber go into and these bacteria gets cultivated there and breaks down that fiber into short chain fatty acids which are 100% saturated so again if we're thinking that saturated fat is bad for us why is it that every animal on on the planet uh herbivore and carnivore gets the majority of their calories from saturated fat animals because they eat animals other animals with fat and they go for the fat first and then herbivores because they break down fiber into uh fatty saturated fat and protein and in fact a gorilla that just eats green leaves they get around 70% of their calories from saturated fat and about 30% from protein get closer to 80% and so the the animal kingdom runs on saturated fat and and and cholesterol as well cholesterol is is the building block of life you know every single of our brain as well yeah and every single molecule or every single cell in our body the membrane is cholesterol I remember seeing this in eth grade biology class and that the cell membranes were this lipid by layer that lipid B layer is cholesterol I remember looking at that I was like how can cholesterol be bad for us we're literally made out of cholesterol I was like well you know I'm 13 I don't know everything yet so I'll just put a pin in that and come back to it well fact matter is cholesterol is not that for us and we make cholesterol because it's so important to us all of our hormones are made out of cholesterol testosterone progesterone um uh estrogen uh cortisol all our mineralocorticoids glucocorticoids made in our adrenals all of these vitamin D which is a hormones it's not just a vitamin um all of these things are derived from cholesterol and you don't have enough cholesterol you don't have enough hormones you're not going to have enough testosterone you're not going to have enough estrogen you're not going to have enough of all the vitamin D3 you're not going to get enough of these things so you need all of these uh very important molecules so that is you know you can look at all these things you can go through comparative Anatomy but the main thing it comes down to is function are we able to break down fiber no we are not so we do not have an herbivorous gut because we cannot break down these plants right herbivorous animals that eat fibrous plants they have an ability to break down fiber and that's where they gain the majority of their nutrients from but in fact we can't do that and in fact that's why they suggested we eat a lot more fiber in the 1980s because they said oh this will help you lose weight because you can't get any nutrition from it it bulks up it stretches out your stretch receptors that kicks off this hormone called LEP which tells your brain you got all this food in your stomach and uh and then so you'll be satiated you can eat all that you want you feel full but in fact you get like next to no nutrition from this you get next to no calories from it so that's a great great way to lose weight because you'll eat all this salad it feels like you're full but you're actually getting nothing for it well your body's a lot smarter than that you know they're like oh this will trick your body and thinking that you're full well you're not smarter than 10 million years of evolution and you're not going to trick a damn thing so your your stomach actually has receptors from your Vagas nerve that track up to your brain that actually can monitor the amount of protein fats and and minerals and vitamins coming in and so you know just just packing in a bunch of of of just mass in there isn't going to cut it right and so you're going to get bloated you're going to feel sick you're going to feel stuffed and your brain is still going to tell you that you're starving and you need these nutrients so you're going to be miserable and this is this is I think where this is where the majority of of Eating Disorders come from as well but you know your your body is a much much smarter than the so-called experts that are that are pushing this garbage you know your your body is is not getting the nutrients that it wants and it knows it and so you're not going to you're not going to uh fool it that way but that was a whole premise you know we were we were telling people to eat fiber because we couldn't break it down we couldn't get anything from it now we're telling people now fiber is an essential nutrient that makes no sense how is it an essential nutrient it's not even a nutrient you get no nutrition from it none and uh in fact it blocks absorption it causes malabsorption it causes uh nutritional deficiencies as well so I I think that that those are some of the main take-home points about our digestion and the simple fact that you can absorb nearly all of the meat that you eat as long as you're not eating it with a bunch of plants and fiber and you get very very little of the available nutrients that are in plants and so functionally which is the only thing that matters you know we're designed to eat meat and to get all of our nutrition from meat I'm not I'm not sure is is cholesterol part of the myelination process too like milein in your well there you go I mean if you want athletic performance then you absolutely need cholesterol any performance I mean if you want to be a concert pianist if you want to be able to sing if you want to be able to do anything then you know your your myin is going to be uh your myelination is going to be critical um so a lot of people obviously they they worry about uh well this kind of thing and and you've gone through the colesterol and it the main cause of heart disease is diabetes sugar yeah obesity insulin insulin resistance metabolic syndrome can we get into the fact that sugar is our enemy Jack L Lane said sugar is our enemy Dr Salsbury said sugar is our enemy thousands and thousands maybe millions of other doctors have said sugar is our enemy can you go through the fact that yes plants are trying to kill you sugar is actually our enemy it it's an addiction that they're they're trying to kill us in a slow and controlled way and and uh could let's I want to get into that and then we're going to get into the high performance because we have to debunk some of the things that people think well this is I'm not going to eat for performance if this is gonna kill me but oh yeah actually GNA help you thrive absolutely and I want to get into the one thing is and and I don't know if this like with Dr Atkins he Fat's fat and Fat's not fat like seed oils lenol lolic acid canola oil is not it's not fat and and some of the lectin things that like like these are not good things like you think like oh I'm I'm eating this and it's and a brown rice or things that are supposedly healthy a really wreaking havoc with your metabolic syndrome some worse than others like someone like me who's like you know that's going to be bad someone like you all right brown rice is going to it's going to it'll accumulate over 15 years but it's not going to kill you right away you know but you know it but whatever if you could talk about that CU sugar is like that's the one and every study that they've done has mixed sugar with fat Su well when you mix sugar with fat you're making a complete disaster it's like you know what F gasoline on it it's like uh you know when when when when Eddie Murphy was with Uncle Gus and that's a fire and fat now that's a fire yeah well you know think about it too you know will say that well you know how how plants trying to kill you how do you think obviously they're not that that good at uh you know having these defense chemicals uh because you know I eat a salad I don't die I eat a salad every night okay well people smoke every day too they smoke and they drink and they uh do other things that are quite bad for them we know they're bad for them you know before the 1950s you you know smoking used to be recommended by doctors oh yeah this is great for you nine out of 10 doctors choose camel like all I mean there actual ads that said this right so um you know the point is is that that that I actually want to comment on that yeah how they would do that and even when they say four out of five dentists approve Colgate how they do it is they say pick three or four cigarette brands or three or four whatever Brands and then if that if you know obviously Colgate Crest and whatever is on it so all of them can say that because it's the same you know yeah they they recommend it it's one of the three or four recommended there's only three or four to choose from or some CRA you know some crazy thing so I it so basically they lie with Statistics all the time abely gonna say that they sorry to interrupt because that's okay right I mean all this stuff is a con you know it's it's just a marketing employ they're just they're just trying to sell a product and and you know unfortunately we're getting caught up in it and we're we're think it's like oh well this is recommended these are the recommendations these are the guidelines well that must mean that they're good for you the hell they are you know majority of these things first of all they changed guidelines over five years right so if these were right the first time why why' they ever change right and guidelines take decades to catch up and it's bureaucrats writing the guidelines it's not scientists it's not doctors they may get influenced by the doctors and the scientists and say hey here's what the studies are this is what we recommend they go in behind closed doors they have the influences that they have with industry which is I mean don't kid yourself it's there and and then they come out with whatever the hell they want and um that's where the food pyramid came from I mean that that was completely garbage they they just wanted to sell more grain because you know uh President Nixon guaranteed uh grain so I say so if you if you make more corn and grain stuff like that we'll guarantee it we'll buy it no matter what um because they wanted to get they wanted to to you know sell this off to you know uh USSR and they wanted to have a surplus they want to get prices down and um and then all of a sudden has massive massive massive Surplus and so they're like okay how the hell do we get rid of all this stuff and so then all of a sudden they came out and said um you know they said okay this is what when when um you know anel keys and stuff like that were being pushed out there that you know that set you know cholesterol is bad and you should eat more whole grains and sugar and crap like that and um and so they said okay well we recommend like eating you know you know four or five servings of of uh grains a day and so they went back and they took that and went like okay great yeah so we recommend N9 to 12 servings of grains a day right because they wanted to they want to get rid of this stuff they bought too much and uh and they was just going to sit there and rot so like okay we need to we need to force this on people and get them to buy it so this is um the guidelines are crap that's basically it and you know I I've spoken to doctors that said well I don't care what the science says I care what the guidelines say I like okay well you should not be practicing because like you need to be you need to be going where the evidence is you need to you need to know what is actually happening not just what some bureaucrat is telling you to say that's really bad medicine and um but with um and and quickly on the m and sheet yeah I you know you need cholesterol to to molinate and if people don't know what that is that's the the insulation around your axons which is the wire coming down off your your brain cells and goes down and and that speeds up the conductivity of of your neurons firing and so if that's not melinated properly you're going to be uncoordinated you're not going to be as intelligent you're going to be slower body and mind this is why infants are sort of you know can't really aren't really coordinated can't really stand falling over and things like that because they're they're nerves are not melinated properly and as they their nervous system develops more and more their myelination gets better and they get more coordinated all of a sudden they can they can walk and talk and and do all sorts of things at an adult can so that's that's a myelination and you need cholesterol for that and in fact uh there are a number of different statin drugs that reduce cholesterol that can cross the bloodb brain barrier and actually interrupt your brain making cholesterol and so this is actually uh been shown in some studies to cause a reversible form of Alzheimer so people getting Alzheimer's and they're like okay now you know you're putting you Grandpa on a home and all of a sudden you're like oh wait a minute let's take him off that Statin take him off that Statin 6 weeks later they all of a sudden don't have Alzheimer's anymore and then you put them back on the Statin six weeks later well look at that they have Alzheimer's again would you know it so you know this is this is extraordinarily important uh to have this and not to disrupt it and and change your body's ability to metabolize it and use it um but specifically with with sugar um you know you were saying that you know heart disease is is mainly uh well much more likely uh to be caused by diabetes insulin resistance things like that that's true so there are a number of large studies that show that cholesterol even well so when you have high blood blood sugar this is actually is directly damaging so when your blood sugar is high this it's going actually cause harm if you don't eat any carbohydrates you will make all the carbohydrates you need I haven't eaten a carb in years right but my body through glucano Genesis can make uh carbohydrates can make blood sugar liver glycogen muscle glycogen and Ketone so my body's running on all these different energy sources off my fat stores so I'll never run out of that you know if you eat carbohydrates you know it goes up and your insulin goes up it actually blocks that it stops your body from being able to access your fat stores and from making blood sugar and liver glycogen so you actually cut that off and so as an athlete when you run out of that glycogen in your muscles in your liver that's it you hit the wall you're done and you got to start you know sucking down you know sugary drinks and things like that to try to try to uh you know get back in the game but if you don't eat any carbohydrates at all you will make an an endless supply of blood sugar and glycogen and ketones as well so the reason that happens is because when blood sugar is high when you eat carbohydrates your blood sugar goes up this is damaging those those glucose molecules physically fuse to other molecules in your body and and permanently damages them and so this is killing you from the inside and this is what kills diabetics longterm long-term exposure to uh you know high blood sugar and just like smoking doesn't kill you that day just like a salad is not going to kill you that day over the years over the decades this causes degradation and damage to your body which will manifest as you know different sorts of diseases and also with a premature death and so your body looks at high blood sugar as as an assault on the system and says okay we need to get this down quickly and so it releases a lot of insulin insulin goes up blood sugar comes down but insulin has a long halflife so it stays up for a long time generally about 24 hours and so your blood sugar is now coming down too far and now you've blocked your body's ability to go to the fat stores right because insulin forces energy into cells it doesn't allow it to come out of cells right so as soon as your insulin goes up it's locked down your fat cells are locked down and so now your blood sugar is dropping it's getting too too low you don't feel good you're not you know you don't have enough ketones to run your brain your brain prefers to run on ketones actually and you're not making any more blood sugar so you have to oh my God I have to eat I have to eat I'm I'm low blood sugar I'm not feeling great all these sorts of things but it does something a bit more Insidious than that which which insulin blocks that hormone I mentioned earlier called leptin which is secreted from our stretch receptors true but the majority of it comes from our fat cells and this is this is a a keystone hormone this this has to do with all other sort of hormone regulations in your body is very very important not to M muck this thing around but insulin binds to leptin and and blocks it from getting to your brain and telling your brain how much energy you have so it's like a running gas gauge right your brain sees all this leptin it says okay great we've got a lot of fat stor so now your brain gets a signal that you have zero fat stores and your blood sugar is dropping so it says if you don't eat now you will die it sends off a panic signal this is why three times a day people you freak out go my God I have to eat I have to eat I haven't eaten in two days it's been 48 hours since I've eaten and I'm fine you know I don't do that all the time but when things get absolutely crazy I'm on call I'm working overnight I'm fine I'm talking a mile a minute I have nothing but energy right because my body is making all the energy that I need and in the proportion that I need it right and so when we look at that when we look at the damage that glycation causes that's the fusing of the glucose molecules and other carbohydrates to uh other molecules in your body this this causes a huge amount of damage and also insulin High insulin chronically High insulin causes a ton of different diseases uh first of all it can cause high blood pressure it can cause uh PCOS or polycystic ovarian syndrome which is the number one cause of fertility in women um this is because High insulin blocks the conversion of testosterone into estrogen in the ovaries and so women get far too high testosterone far too little estrogen and this this really disrupts their body and their health and their menual cycle and their fertility um it can cause erectile dysfunction in men as well so and there's a lot of different issues that hide in it can cause skin tags little skin tags around your body that darkening under your axila and your armpit uh Pops in your colon right so you have this like oh my God I have all these poops so it can turn cancerous that's that's from insulin resistance having chronically High insulin from having chronically high blood sugar all the time and then eventually your body sort of gives up and you develop type two diabetes right because you're you're having to make you're having to pump out so much more insulin and you're getting more and more resistant to it you know like any sort of access to a drug your body's just like hey this is too much we don't want this and so you start building up barriers and resistance to it and you start building up insulin resistance and then your body stops being able to make all the insulin necessary to overwhelm that system and then you start seeing your blood sugar go a bit crazy but for 10 years before you have the first sign of your blood sugar going up oh you're maybe pre-diabetic now you're diabetic for 10 15 years before that you've had insulin resistance and you've had this disruption to your metabolism that that we see in this and so that hypoglycemia can actually damage your cholesterol molecules as well and knock off um uh signaling protein on or signaling molecule on your uh LDL proteins or LDL lipoproteins that uh signal that that are what your liver recognize and can pull these things out of your your blood system right so it's it's without that the only thing that can sort of suck these things up are your macras is that turn into big foam cells is just sort of soak these things up because they're just they can't get rid of them and so you turn these foam cells you get damage to your artery lining and these things go there and they get stuck that's a thought to be how um how atherosclerosis builds up in heart disease so that's not the cholesterol causing a problem it's you've damaged the cholesterol first and then that's being utilized in this in this other issue and also that that's a contentious Theory as well that's there's other other theories that um you know explain what's going on very well we don't honestly know exactly what causes heart disease or or the even the physiological mechanisms but we do see these associations so there are a number of studies that don't show any correlation between LDL cholesterol and heart disease there are some that show if they show anything a very weak Association there are other studies that show that sdldl these small dense lipoproteins these damaged LDL cholesterol molecules from glycation from oxidative stress from like things like seed oils or smoking or alcohol or things like that that those have about a 1.7 times increased risk of uh developing heart disease if you have this this damaged nasty LDL cholesterol which again it's not the cholesterol's fault something else has damaged it right but people with metabolic syndrome they are six times more likely to De to develop heart disease people with type 2 diabetes are 10 times more likely to develop heart disease which is up there with smoking right and again if you're diabetic you know you've been eating a lot of carbs for decades and you are damaging your cholesterol so it's not the cholesterol doing the problem causing the problem it's it's the hypoglycemia it's the damage to your body sugar namely specifically fructose you know because sugar is just a name for carbohydrates or you know dozens of different kinds of carbohydrates fructose is is a really nasty customer all carbohydrates will raise your insulin and your blood sugar and raise your insulin but fructose in particular is nasty you know we mentioned that before that fructose sends a dopamine signal to the Addiction Center to your brain so it's addictive like a hard drug but it's also uh metabolized and broken down your liver into the same byproducts that alcohol is so you get the exact same breakdown products from fructose as you do alcohol so you get the same damage to your body and your liver from breaking down fructose as you do from breaking down alcohol so you get fatty liver disease therosis diabetes heart disease and even uh it's even implicated in things like cancer and Alzheimer's disease so this is a nasty nasty nasty subject this is something that was shown at the University of San Francisco uh or University California San Francisco medical school and biochemistry Department in 2009 and and you know dozens of paper since then showing just how toxic fructose is they showed a study in kids where they could actually reverse a metabolic syndrome and fatty liver disease called a non-alcoholic fatty liver disease because again again going back to the 1990s when uh you know they replaced meat and fat with a bunch of plants and sugar because everything tasted like crap so they added sugar to everything um all of a sudden you had 10-year-olds getting adult onset diabetes which is what type two diabetes used to be called and they were getting fatty liver disease which was only seen in Alcoholics up until that point and so they were like how is a kid getting adult onset diabetes he's 10 he's not an adult how's he getting adult onset diabetes I remember I actually remember a news program where they were saying that how is he getting adult onside diabetes when he's 10 he's not an adult and how is it that he has alcoholic fatty liver disease when only alcoholics can fatty liver disas because never had alcohol found a little oh sorry I was just asking my wife to turn something down and I I just uh but I thought my mic was mute muted that's okay that's all right and so um you know they they so they looked at that and said okay well these kids are you know this this is a kid you know getting adult onset diabetes he's getting Al he's getting fatty liver disease we normally see this in alcoholic so instead of thinking for two seconds and saying okay what the hell has changed what have we done to ourselves what have you done to these kidss what are they what's going on in their environment that may be influencing in this they just said you know it's probably happening all the time you know we probably just didn't notice it and so instead of using their brain for literally 1 second they decided to just rename it type 2 diabetes and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease well it's not non-alcoholic fatty liver disease it is fructose fatty liver disease when you eat fructose you get this fatty fatty deposits in your liver I was actually taught that in in our biochemistry segment in medical school this was this was a wellestablished fact at the time and and so uh Dr Robert lustig who's a professor of Meritus at at UCSF he did a a series of experiments you know dozens of these things and uh very very very interesting stuff he's read a number of papers and a number of books on this as well and one of his experiments was was with kids with metabolic syndrome and fatty liver disease and he found that they could reverse fatty liver disease and metabolic syndrome by just replacing fructose with glucose right so in instead of donuts they were eating bagels right and they still were eating the same amount of calories in fact when some kids were like losing weight they're like you eat more eat more we don't want this to be blamed on just weight loss well they lost weight therefore you know they they you know reverse their metabolic syndrome like no no no no you don't want anyone losing weight so we told these kids to eat more or they told those kids to eat more and so they were able to reverse metabolic syndrome and fatty liver disease in these kids by eating the same amount same amount of calories not losing weight just replacing fructose with glucose right and so and that actually met the Bradford Hill criteria for uh causation so that that was actually a causitive study they they showed causation this was not correlation they showed causation and so that's what fructose does to you fructose damages your body like alcohol and is addictive and damages your brain like meth so I mean this is a this is a hard drug and this is something that Absolut should be I mean I don't I don't touch the stuff U but I think it's absolutely something that you should never get around children oh but they like it yeah of course they do they're going to like cocaine too you don't give it to them you know like it's that's it's a drug of course they like drugs Everyone likes drugs you know they're designed that you like them you do them you go oh that gives me a good response I like that I want more of that right but there's a serious detriment uh that goes on goes along with that and so you know you know historically coming across some fructose we recognize that as safe we got a quick hit of energy and then we could go on with our day but you know this was seasonal like in in you know the majority of of human history we we were half the time we were in ice ages and a lot of people were up in the ice sheet so they they had no access to fruit and honey and things like that and fructose containing uh you know different plants right and the ones that they did you know it was still seasonal you know so maybe it was you know week or two out of the year they had some access to fruits and these were very different fruits as well you know we've bioengineered and bred the fruits that we have now to be much much more sweet I mean just tens to hundreds of times more sugar and fructose in them that um that they would have ever had uh in in you know as a natural plant you know if you look up the different natural plants where these plants come from they're very different like a natural mango it's very very you know uh tough a bunch of big husk and a lot of fiber very mildly sweet at best it's all just it's all seed and fiber like that's it that's not what we eat now that's not what a mango is now but that's not what we would have that's not what our ancestors would have had historically they're not very sweet at all so we wouldn't have had much of it um but it would have given you a bit of a a quick hit of energy we would have recognized that it's safe and that's fine that that helps uh confer a survival Advantage for that time but right now it's it's not so great so we're having this in abundance we're we're having this not seasonally we're having this daily you have you know your five servings of fruit and veg and things like that so saying every single day you should be eating fruit that doesn't make any sense because our ancestors would never have had access to fruit on a daily basis and in fact I was speaking to a colleague of mine um who's a doctor over in India and he uh I was going through before I you know went back to carnivore but I was you know researching this stuff into fructose and how toxic this stuff was and we were talking about it he said you know actually that's really interesting because there's a province in uh India where he's from where the mangoes in you know certain time of year for about 3 months out of the year there's so plentiful just the wild mangoes that and these are the you know the cultivated super sweet ones they've just gone gone wild that there's so many wild mangoes that basically the entire population of this area just for 3 months just eats mangoes and that's all they eat and maybe eat some other things but they're just eating tons and tons and tons of mangoes and this is the area that has the highest rates of type 2 diabetes in in India and in fact the government had to restrict them and say hey you're not allowed to eat all these mangoes you have to eat other things as well you have to you know limit to a certain amount I I don't remember what what it was but you know so you can get these problems from from uh fruit you know that's not that's not safe you know you can you can absolutely overdo it and if you're eating juices and sodas and things like that it's even worse and that is why everything contains sugar fructose containing sugar because the sugar companies damn well know that this stuff is addictive the food companies absolutely know this and so they're pumping in all this sugar into all these different sorts of foods in order to make us addicted baby formula has a high fructose content has a bunch of you know high fructose corn syrup and you know what's that doing to a kid right you know this this is causing you know different sorts of damage and addictive nature to adults this is implicated in things like Alzheimer's which is degradation of an adult mature healthy brain what's that doing to a baby's brain what's that doing to a developing brain or a fetus it's not going to be good right that's not something that you want influencing your kid that's not something you want anywhere near your child and that's why the the food companies just dump this into everything because it's addictive they put in Formula because it's addictive and kids will want more they want more they want more they'll cry they'll scream out I want more I want more and uh and now where all the different foods we eat were highly addictive they're highly processed highly palatable and they all have sugar in it and that's why they have sugar this is this is not a mistake this is not by happen stance they know exactly what's going on this is the new opium trade this is a big drug cartel and they are pumping this into everything in order to addict us and make us buy more and consume and the food companies are heavily invested in the pharmaceutical companies and the pharmaceutical companies are heavily invested in the food companies now why would that be a good idea the food that we're eating is causing the illnesses that they're treating and Goldman Sachs had a leaked slide from one of their one of their high-end meetings that said you know is it a viable is it really a viable uh business model to uh you know to to cure uh patients or should we just you know perpetuate this disease state for decades you know get you know they're talking about putting teenagers on stat now they're talking about you know if you have borderline hypertension oh we got to get these people on on blood pressure medications even though there's no data for that and also you just stop eating carbs it goes away uh for most people you know so they're they're doing the best they can to make these chronic diseases that you need to take medication daily for decades they don't care about health they don't care about you they don't care about your family they don't care about your kids they care about coming up with something that they can sell on a daily basis to billions of people and start them off young and can keep and keep going this is this is exactly the same mentality as as as a drug cartel they're trying to you know get people hooked on this stuff early and keep them on it for the rest of their life and they die young big deal there'll be more people following them afterwards as long as they can they can make more kids so this is this is nasty stuff and this is why we as individuals and consumers have to be educated on this and we have to understand the history behind it the science behind it and just the simple biology that humans are carnivores and this is not how we're supposed to eat you know you go to the zoo you ask any zookeeper they'll tell you you feed an animal something that it doesn't eat in the wild something it didn't evolve on it gets sick but what does it get sick with gets obesity heart disease liver disease diabetes cancer autoimmune dis diseases and arthritis right dogs and cats known carnivores and yet we give them grain and plant-based kibble and they get sick too they get those exact same diseases that we get that the zoo animals get you know this is why there are signs at the zoo and parks that say don't feed the animals it makes them very sick if they don't e if they eat the wrong food don't feed the animals the thing that you're eating right now it makes them sick well it makes you sick too and so this is not something that we should be eating it's not something they should be eating and you and you talk to these people and you say you know you know what happens if you if you give these zoo animals grains or human food this and the other and they say if you feed animals it human food they get human diseases right these are non-communicable chronic diseases right they're not catching diabetes from it's not like they have a you know they have a bagel and all of a sudden you know diabetes becomes catching right it's that the bagel and whatever the hell they're eating is actually causing these things right so you know ancient Romans had lead pipes they got lead poisoning they didn't know what it was at first they thought people were getting sick they thought it was diseases they thought it was a plague they thought whatever right and eventually some bright SP spot figured out that actually no this is the this is these pipes that we're using and this is this is poisoning us there's something wrong here right so they figured that out well we're in our lead pipes now we're eating things and exposing ourselves to things that we have no business exposing ourselves to and we're getting sick and yet we haven't figured out yet that this is an exposure relationship we haven't figured out that you know the best thing to do is is remove the exposure right you know if you have lead poisoning yeah you can take some medications that help your symptoms because get you get end organ damage you get brain damage you get body you know body and and organ damage as well right and so you can take some medic medicines that help you with that you know but the Mainstay treatment is to recognize hey this is this is lead poisoning this isn't just some weird autoimmune issue this is this is lead poisoning and to remove the exposure to lead well that's what we're in now and we need to recognize that these diseases these chronic diseases so-called that we're treating nowadays as a main State like 90% of of money is spent treating chronic diseases these chronic diseases are not diseases per se but toxicities and malnutrition toxic buildup of a species inappropriate diet and a lack of species specific nutrition namely too many plants we are not designed to eat uh and biologically break down and detoxify safely and extract appropriate nutrients and not enough meat which is where we get our nutrition and and our health from so until we recognize that until we recognize that these diseases are not diseases that we're being poisoned and we need to remove this poison from our system we are not going to get better and the food companies are certainly not going to do it for us because they they make way too much money on it the the pharmaceutical companies and the Food Industries make way too much money to ever tell us uh what's going on so we need to learn this ourselves we need to understand this and just try it for yourself go for 30 days go for 3 months see what happens your life will change in ways you have no idea and you will be healthier and fitter and feel better than you ever have in your entire life I can guarantee that and you just see this is this is how we're supposed to live this is how we're supposed to feel and you will feel better for the first time in your life and I remember looking back on my life at 38 after two weeks on a carnivore diet realizing I felt like my entire life until right now and those 5 years in my early 20s and I got pissed I was like I should have been feeling like this every single day of my life I should Dev like this I should be 5 in taller I should be 50 lbs heavier I should be faster you know people used to be Olympic speed sprinters there's a there's some uh uh fossil records of um Hunters running in in Australia there was on wet clay this wet mushy Sandy clay right they were hunting down some sort of animal one of those Hunters was running at 37 kilm an hour that's Olympic sprinter speed with a spear chasing an animal on wet Sandy clay right that's what we're supposed to be that's how we're designed we're apex predators top of the food chain we are some of the most dominant animal species that has ever crossed this Earth and yet we're all fat and sick and falling apart why is that why are we the only squishy animal on earth oh because they exercise more no they don't look at look at uh the zoo animals they're in a box the size of this room it's a definition of a sedentary lifestyle and yet they're ripped they look like they're on steroids they're jacked that's because they're eating what they're supposed to eat and their bodies work the way they're supposed to eat you know you mentioned that I probably worked out more today than you've worked out in the last several years I haven't worked out in regularly in probably a year you know I don't have time you know I I have pretty insane schedule uh when I work out I try to I try to hit it hard but I never get in worse shape than this this is how I look this is how human beings in in captivity look you know if you're eating your evolved diet so this is this is zoo zoo animal human right and so I never go worse than this doesn't matter and so I can get a lot better I can get a lot fitter I can get a lot more muscular absolutely but I never I can get in a lot better shape but I never get out of shape and that's the thing our Natural State as humans is one of Health throughout all of history we've been extraordinarily healthy except when introducing these things that we're not supposed to eat we used should call them diseases of the West when the European explorers would go to uh you know uh uh Australia and and the Americas they found that people weren't getting the diseases that the Western cultures were getting they and they say oh these are diseases of the West only Western cultures get these things right well when they started incorporating getting incorporated into Western society and started eating Western food they started getting Western diseases in fact I learned as a kid that when eating a western diet Native Americans are four times as likely to get obesity heart disease diabetes cancer and all the rest and I remember thinking to myself well doesn't that mean the food's causing the disease because if they don't eat the food they don't get the disease and we eat the food and we get the disease we just get at a lower rate and you know what's a non-western diet what are they eating that we're not and vice versa well you know they didn't say it at the time but they're pure high fat carnivores right or predominantly so you know they if they had meat they ate meat and that's what all the records show as well you know even when they had access to plant Foods even they had access to you know thaw uh vegetation they ate meat that's what they preferred and they were much much more healthy and now they're much less healthy because they haven't had exposure to agriculture for 10,000 years like Europeans and other other cultures have right so they don't have built up the slightly better defenses against these plant toxins like you know you or I would right so they're far worse off when eating a western diet and they do far better uh as a result comparatively when when eating a meat only diet but we all will thrive on a meat only diet because we're all humans we're all Homo sapiens sapiens and you cannot find a single example in nature of two members of the same species who have different optimal diets it doesn't exist if you have different optimal diets you are a different species full stop I I challenge anyone to find exception to that so there are people that are better or worse able to tolerate suboptimal food but there is no two human beings that have different optimal diets biologically it just I don't think that that can happen so you know that's that's where we stand you know if you want to get your health back if you want to get your life back if you want to be you know not be beholden to the hospitals and the pharmaceutical uh Industries and be you know taking multiple pills a day this is something you should consider and see for yourself and so people say well it's very restrictive you know you're not eating all this variety I want to eat X Y and Z it's not restrictive at all heart disease is restrictive cancer is restrictive Alzheimer's restrictive crippling di diabetes and depression are restrictive taking 30 medications a day is restrictive having to have a timer set every 4 hours so you can take your pills is restrictive you know being set on the couch so you can't you know get up because your back and your hips hurt so bad that's restrictive you know eating meat is liberating eating meat is is freeing I I've I've I haven't eaten in two days it's been 48 hours I feel fine you know I probably have too much energy right and I all that time was my own I wasn't cooking thinking about or eating food right I've just I've just been doing things I've been getting I've been getting busy being busy working uh you know and uh and and doing all the things that I need to do my time is my own that's fair freeing I eat every now and then I eat as much as I want I eat exactly what I want the only thing I want to eat is a steak anyway that's the best damn thing I could think of on a on you know even when I was not doing this all I wanted to eat was steak anyway now it's the only thing I can that I eat it's the only thing I want to eat and I feel absolutely fantastic for it and I encourage and this is why I encourage people to to at least try it out themselves because I've seen massive massive benefits in my own life I have seen clear demonstration of it of its Supremacy in the literature and I have seen my parents my family and my patients and thousands of people that I've worked with over the years massively benefit their health come off most if not all of their medications shed weight like it's going out of style and massively increase their performance and their longevity I had a guy you know just to just to end on this I had a guy who was um uh the that I was I was told by a friend of mine who's a geriatrician here in uh Perth who she had a patient he's 86 years old checked himself into a nursing home because he just wasn't able to to to live at home he wasn't able to cope and survive and so he had to go into a nursing home and Care Facility to basically care for him until he died he was going there to die and he sort of as a as a last ditch attempt to regain his his uh Independence and his life he uh found the carnivore Di and um you know he started looking at it and said okay I'm going to give this a try in 3 months he was back living home fully independently he was lifting weights 3 days a week was swimming two days a week and was off all medications three months that's the power of this at 86 years old he had checked himself into a nursing home to die and now he's back home living his life he's fully independent they literally gave him his life back you know so it's never too late it's never a bad time to stop eating poison and that's why I'm I'm as passionate as I am about this you know if you see the hundreds of millions of people who have been billions of people who have been LED astray by these recommendations over the past 40 years the hundreds of millions of people who have have been sickened for decades and died early we've all been touched by that every single one of us has someone in our families who has died of one of these chronic illnesses that honestly should not has have never come about in the first place we've all been hit by this and the hundreds of millions of people the billions of people around the world that have been affected by this you know is is just absolutely criminal and like if you can't get passionate about something like that I I don't think you can get passionate about anything well I'll tell you um you know your story about high fructose corn syrup and and and then we didn't even get into seed oils or anything and then we didn't get into cancer so I I was actually I was going to follow up about cancer and glucose and then and a we and even high performance but it is it is getting late if you want to stay I can certainly stay I'm sits early in the morning here and you know what then let's talk about it because the other thing people are scared about is this is going to cause cancer MH and there's a there's a very you'll know everything about it but then there's also a gentleman at uh at Boston College that uh knows a hell of a lot about it and and um could you get into some some of the cancer stuff and then if you're free we'll get in then we'll get into high performance I wanted to debunk all the before people said oh yeah you know you're gonna be uh Arnold schwarzeneger or whatever because you don't eat you know you're not eating carbohydrates but is how's that long-term Health going to be so I wanted to get rid of the long-term health concerns before we got into the uh and cancer being one of them and and you could just tell everybody what cancer cells need and but they don't get on a carnivore diet yeah yeah absolutely so um you know and just your point about Arnold Schwarzenegger you know he he sold out by going on the the game changers thing and and uh trying to sell uh James Cameron's um you know PE protein you know he's the executive producer of uh James C is the executive producer of uh game changers and where you're pushing this vegan diet and just happens to own $140 Million worth of a PE protein company so oh hey you don't eat meat but hey you need protein and what do you know I I've I've got I've got the solution right here so that was just a giant commercial and it was a complete fraud as well and people have gone through that and done critiques and showing how just ridiculous it is but Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was actually doing his uh you know bodybuilding days he he was eating steak and eggs steak and eggs steak and eggs because that was the teaching at the time in the golden ER bodybuilders from Vince gond and serge newre they just ate meat his body Idol was Serge Nu who was a a French bodybuilder big dude look him up NB re t uh this guy is jacked he was jacked up until he was in his 70s when he actually died of Foul Play um and uh that guy would eat six pounds of horse meat a day and Arnold got his inspiration from him he's like I'm just going to eat steak steak steak so and and he talked about in Pumping Iron he's like yeah you got to eat all steaks you got protein but you know I can't eat it all at one time so I've got to eat a steak here I eat some eggs there another steak here another steak there another steak there it was never vegetables it was oh I got to get my celery I've got to get my my my beetroot I've got all it was steaks he ate steaks and that's what all the golden ero bodybuilders ate and that's how they got you know massive massive physiques before the steroid era and so as far as cancer is concerned well we touched on the fact that meat does not cause cancer in fact all those studies or were again from the University of Washington just last year shown to be extremely weak and uh or extremely shoddy lazy studies or fraudulent bias studies and there are a number of reasons for that there's a lot of weird uh uh things going back well a you have the industry trying to protect its its um you know its prog uh its product in in sugar and so they they took meat as a scapegoat and they're trying to vilify that but also a lot of the a lot of the uh nutritional research that comes out is done by the Seventh Day Adventist Church Kellogg serial Kellogg Dr Kellogg was a Seventh Day Adventist and the seventh day Adventists are religiously anti-meat and they had a prophetess in late 18 it's is all true you all look it up they had a prophetess in the late 1800s who had a vision from God and uh found that you know had said that God spoke to her and said that you we everyone has to stop eating meat because it's sinful because it makes you lustful it makes people want to procreate because you're healthy and your hormones work and so that's bad because lust is a sin and therefore meat is sinful meat is evil and you have to stop eating it and so they were pushing this hard Kelloggs was her Protegé and he just was mind warped from an early age uh into into this way of thinking and he came up with Kellog cornflakes which was designed to suppress people's hormones and make them less you know veral right so you know this was this was something that uh they did on purpose to try to suppress good health that was that was actual goal and so whether they thought about it in that way or not that's what it was that's what it was doing so he founded Kellogg's um you know cereals and now this is one of the largest corporations you have those things over like the seven companies that own everything Kellogg is one of them and the 7thday Adventist actually founded the field of nutritional research and and and dietetics in the University level I think in 1917 and then they wrote the first textbook on nutritional Sciences for university courses in uh 1925 it's still in print the it's like the 50th Edition but it's still in in the uh in the universities right so they have hundreds of Institutions around the world they pump out Millions every single year of nutritional research and they and this pushing this agenda it's pushing this plant-based agenda that meat is evil meat is bad and so this is this is just fraud and the University of Washington showed this and went through these studies and said these are all crap you can just throw them out there is no evidence that meat causes cancer specifically and and and and uh in particular uh unprocessed red meat so that's out you don't have to worry about that now go back to the plants I learned in cancer biology two decades ago that there are dozens if not over a hundred known carcinogens in vegetables that we eat these are not the pesticides that we're spraying on them this is the plant themselves so it doesn't matter if you've growed in your own garden there's research out of the University of California Berkeley from a professor Bruce angs that in uh published in 1989 showing that um that there were 10,000 times more naturally occurring pesticides and insecticides in the plant Itself by weight than the pesticides we sprayed on them right these natural defense chemicals that the plants were making to stop animals and insects from eating them right and that's why we spray pesticides on things it's to stop animals and insects from eating them and they found that just the toxins the natural toxin in mushrooms just white mushrooms normal table mushrooms that they were 500 times more likely to cause cancer than the pesticides we were spraying on them in this case AAR was the pesticide they were comparing this against so meat does not have any carcinogens so I say oh well you cook it you burn it okay don't burn it I mean that's stupid right so you don't have to burn it if you're worried about that but also the studies that that showed that these burnt byproducts are carcinogenic were done in in in lab animals they were not done in humans and they were also done in in you know concentrations thousands of times greater than what you get in in a in you know burnt stake right so it's not really comparable but you know just don't burn it if if you're worried about it just don't burn it and so um so there's that there no carcinogens in meat there are definitely carcinogens in Plants okay so what causes cancer well there's a lot of different different theories on this um think is you know genetic but in fact there's there's strong evidence to show this is actually a metabolic mitochondrial disease and this was the original uh and foremost theory on cancers done uh put forward by Dr Otto warberg who was a Nobel Prize winner in uh medicine physiology and he did decades of work on cancer and found that there was a strong uh connection with the mitochondria and found that all cancers had all cancer cells had damaged mitochondria that could couldn't go through oxidative phosphorilation properly it had to go through for fermented process to make ATP which is the energy for the cell and so you had these damaged mitochondria they didn't work properly and you can you can see this in all cancer cells you even cancer cells first of all not all cancer cells have genetic changes so we say oh these genetic changes but you if you look at at a tumor you you you look at all the individual cells they all have different genes a lot of them are normal genetics in fact there are some cancers that have no genetic changes at all so how can this be a purely genetic disease if there are no genetic changes and yet it's still cancer they all have damaged mitochondria and so uh otter warberg uh wrote a paper in 19 I think 57 called the origins of cancer and this was after 30 years of research on the subject and he argued and showed evidence for the fact that this is coming from your mitochondria first of all your mitochondria stop your when they're healthy they regulate cell division and growth and when and they also uh carry out apoptosis so if your if your cell says okay look something's going wrong something's screwy we just need to end it here the mitochondria then action that okay so if the mitochondria are damaged it can't then self suicide right which is which a Hallmark of cancer cells and also you get unregulated cell division and growth which is also the definition of cancer right and so that's where you get this from well so what do we do once we have well first of all how do you avoid getting cancer well you reduce inflammation and you reduce things that damage mitochondria a lot of these plant toxins damage your mitochondria and that's what makes them carcinogenic a lot of these uh genetic disorders and predispositions that people have for cancer a lot of these things damage the mitochondria as well a lot of these carcinogens and other sorts of you know industrial toxins that that we know cause cancer damage the mondria and then there's this you know down uh Downstream issues from there they create a lot of free radicals and a lot of damage that can cause genetic um changes in the in the cell as well um but it it all stems from the mitochondria how do we know this well you see those associations but you also there's been experiments that show that when you take the nucleus of a cancer cell with all the genetic changes of cancer and you put it into a normal cell does behave as cancer you can actually clone it and turn it into you know mice and frogs or whatever you got it from and that's what they did but if you take the damaged uh mitochondria out of a cancer cell and you put that into a healthy cell with normal DNA it does behave as cancer and you can't clone it it'll just die off you can't you can't use it a this is cancer it doesn't work and then if you take healthy mitochondria and you put that into a cancer cell it suppresses the cancer right so that's pretty pretty good evidence that this is not a genetic issue that this is actually a mitochondrial metabolic disease and that's uh you know the person you alluded to is a professor Thomas sea freed from uh Boston College who I've done an interview with I've had him on my podcast extraordinarily interesting guy honestly I think that that you know once this is shown that this is actually you know what's going on I think he'll be in line for he'll be on the short list for a Nobel Prize um from from all of his work on this so avoiding cancer avoid things that damage your mitochondria do things that help your mitochondria well we have studies that show that people on a ketogenic diet which a carnivore diet is uh after you know a few months you have four times the number of mitochondria and they are four times as effective and healthy right because when you're in ketosis when you're on a ketogenic diet you actually recycle your old cells you recycle uh it's called you know aagy and you recycle your old organel like your mitochondria it's called mitophagy so you have old older damage slowing down mitochondria and you replace them with new younger healthy mitochondria and you stimulate the production of more mitochondria so this is very very good for your metabolism and for protecting you from cancer and it's also you have different religious groups and different people that fast you know this is shown that these populations tend to have less chronic diseases tend to have less cancer rates tend to do better when they when they do run into cancer and there's a lot of other things that go into it as well of course but let's say you have cancer well again all these cancers have these damaged mitochondria that don't function properly can't make energy properly so how do they make energy because they actually have a much higher metabolic Demand right well they go through this substrate level fermentation of glucose but also glutamine um but a lot of these things take glucose right but but they're less efficient at it so they actually and they have a higher metabolic rate and so they actually require 400 times the amount of glucose than a normal cell does right so if you're eating carbohydrates this is just this is just dumping gasoline on the fire of your cancer right so if you go on a ketogenic diet cornivore diet uh being I think the best version of this then you will limit the amount of glucose available right you'll still have blood you're still going to make blood sugar but you know if you're a ketones are R and you're eating a lot of fat your actually glucose will be relatively low and so you'll have less available uh glucose ose for these cancer cells and it just starves them out you know I mean we we do pet scans PET CT you know we give uh uh you know radioopaque or radio radio marked uh glucose molecules we give that injection to people and what do you know it goes into these areas of high metabolic rate and that cancer cell or the cancer body is just light up right that's because it's sucked in a whole a whole bunch of glucose right so you don't want to do that do not give yourself an injection of glucose right and then it won't have this big big uptake in the cancer cells right so you can limit the amount of energy that's available to those cells also you're improving the micro environment you're improving the cellular environment of these mitochondria and you know who knows you can kill off these cells but the cells around it aren't quite fully damaged they might be able to reverse and repair their mitochondria as well also there's a study there are two studies done one in uh 2019 another in 2020 that showed that people on a ketogenic diet actually had better outcomes with chemo and radiation they found that the cancers were more sensitive to chemo and radiation when on a ketogenic diet and they found that the native cells your healthy cells were actually more protected from chemo radiation so the cancer cells were getting targeted more and your your own native cells were actually uh being able to weather this better which is you know some people die from the chemo and not the cancer and that's a very very very sad situation to be in so that's one of these main things you want to give yourself the best option possible and the best chance possible this is something I think that the evidence is is very clear on that being on a ketogenic diet carnivore diet being being the best example of this is is going to give you a very good shot a because it's going to help your body fight the cancer anyway B because it's going to sensitize the cancer to chemo and radiation and protect you from chemo and radiation and this is something we're seeing we are seeing this in randomized controlled trials in humans and in in rats showing that going on a ketogenic diet a calorie restricted ketogenic diet or a cornivore diet is gives a it gives a survival advantage and the less carbohydrates are better some of these some of these studies show that you well you you can have as much as 50 grams of carbohydrates a day they don't do as well as the ones who are limited to 20 gram a day or zero grams a day you know the less carbohydrates the better and so you know there are more and more studies coming out in my particular field of neurosurgery there are you about two dozen uh human trials on this there smaller studies but bigger but they've been successful enough to encourage people to do larger studies so more and more studies are coming out now larger studies out of out of Cedar C Medical Center in the US you know they're they're coming out with the you know um you know phase two trial with ketogenic metabolic therapy and uh to you know getting larger and larger and larger populations with people with G blastoma brain cancer and you know and and just to see exactly what's going on with more and more people in the preliminary studies they're working well and there there are are case reports in case series when people have far outlasted the the averages and the norms and in animal models you know we we see clear uh evidence of benefit and then other things like uh triple negative breast cancer this is very sensitive to ketogenic diet and it works very very well the reason that some cancers are more or less sensitive to a ketogenic diet is because as I mentioned they run on glucose but they also run on glutamine which is an amino acid which we all make and is in every protein Source plant or animal and so you know you're eating this stuff you're going to get glutamine in and uh some run on more glucose or some run on more glutamine and so for GBM brain cancer gleo blastoma 75% of the cancer cells energy come from um come from glutamine and so the most successful trials in animals have been where they used KET ketogenic diet for the rats and gave them an agent to basically interrupt the metabolism of glutamine as well and they found that their rats didn't die they had a 100% survival and then when they autopsied them and looked at their cancers under the microscope they were just dead just dead cells just wipe these things out because they just didn't have energy they couldn't they couldn't survive they just died out and so you know that's a very very promising uh future for this you know I think that's probably why fasting can be beneficial in in cancer because you're not you're not bringing in glucose you're also not bringing in glutamine you make some glucose you make some glutamine so this is not a perfect situation but you are severely limiting the the the food supply for these things and as a result you know people are doing better and that's obviously what we want and so yeah and and I I did want to you you touched on everything which was which was brilliant that cancer basically eats glucose and that uh and it is a mitochondrial disease but also the fact that fasting and and and and even a zero carve diet isn't 100% perfect because your liver does produce glucose and and that's how come uh is it the fre freeze free is it has how do you say his last name the guy from BC uh seed seed Dr C freed from they they couple it like you said with with some inhibitory drugs especially in terms of what insulin can do to you because insulin is insulin is something that while is a savior is also a uh a murderer so yeah yeah I was just going to say as well one of one of the things that I um found out early or recently as well um is just some papers that came out recently and I spoke with a guy Dr sha omara who's you know he's he's an Emergency Physician but he's also switched into nutritional research and he found a very strong relationship between visceral fat and a lot of metabolic diseases because visceral fat is metabolically active and and can cause very serious metabolic harm and so he did a study uh I think it was it was uh you know a grant from like NIH that uh I believe it was ni that they looked at they did over 8 or sorry 6,000 MRIs of the abdomen looking at visceral fat and looking at at myosis which is basically Mar human marbling right you know you feed a bunch of grains to cows and they get marbling they get that that fat marbling in in the meat we get the exact same thing you feed a cow a bunch of grains and carbs to get that marbling that exact same process is happening to you because again your blood sugar goes up your body goes sweet Jesus what do this done slams up your insulin and this stuffs energy into every other orifice in your body one of them is is by depositing intramuscular fat this is why you know bodybuilders and things like that oh we eat all this carbs they get big and swollen puffy muscles right but it's it's it's fat and water weight right fat glycogen and water that is attached to the glycogen right and then they go in a cutting phase and they lose 80 pounds and they oh my muscle strength no they didn't they were never there in the first place that was just fat and water and so you you know he found that people with reducing their visceral fat conferred massive massive health benefits and he found that the best diet to do that was a carnivore diet and the best exercise for that was sprinting and weightlifting this High interval in you know High interval um you know intensity interval training and uh so sprinting weightlifting carnivore diet those are the three things that can improve your visceral body fat improve your overall health the most that he found in this study with over 6,000 people and interestingly uh Trinity College in Dublin where you know Tony Smith is the rugby coach at and um they just they just published a paper this year that showed that first of all people that are overweight have more body fat in particular visceral fat have higher rates of cancer and higher rates of death from cancer so they have worse outcomes and so you know there are a lot of other things maybe they're doing a lot of things that are causing them to be sick which is also causing them to be overweight yeah drinking smoking all that stuff but one of the things they actually found that the actual visceral fat itself made you more likely to die from cancer or more likely to get cancer was because they actually sequester one of our most important uh immune cells for this which is our natural killer te cells and KT cells and so these are our first line defense against cancer cells you know people have little different precancerous cancerous cells popping up all over our body all the time and these are the guys going around seeking and destroying saying get this little bastard get that out of there before it causes a problem and when you have more visceral fat there it's directly correlated so there's a there's a linear association with more visceral fat less natural killer tea cells nkt cells and so when you have someone who has more visceral fat they're going to have more cancer they're going to have worse outcomes from cancer because you have this big part of your immune system this this is not just chemo fighting cancer your body is fighting cancer your biochemistry and your biology is fighting cancer and so you know you you disrupt you take one of those those legs of the stool out you're in trouble and so again the best way to reduce visceral fat carnivore diet sprinting lifting weights now I think that we can if you if you have time we can safely get into and so coup coup couple of safely get into high performance eating so there a couple of things I have two two of my friends one of them was my was my prop in in college who's a doctor who's going to do my blood work after I haven't I haven't had blood work since my surgery so or I did I give I give blood or give I actually give platelets most of the time because it's they're harder to it's pain in the ass to get platelets and I have time to do it so but most of the time it so he he's a wrestling coach and a football guy now and so and and I have another really good friend whose daughter is is a one of the top high school wrestlers in the country nice so and then we have the rugby Community which of course we all love and that's my my passion high performance eating wrestling tournaments track track I have a track coach who's a a cross country guy and high performance eating carnivore diet why we do this you and I both everybody used think I was crazy I didn't eat on the day of the game I just didn't eat and I played that's the way I did it I just when I ate I felt sluggish for whatever reason it was I didn't have any scientific reason and or anything like that and then after the game I would drink myself stupid and so so I'd be you know I wouldn't eat and I drink myself stupid and then uh so anyway but that all said that's not the high performance part and uh and believe me I wasn't performing all that great anyway so let's just let's just say in those situations debunk some myths please talk about how whether or not this is good should they have carbohydrates why shouldn't they and you know that this this is going to be something that will be it's of interest to me too and and and I've heard your talks on it but it still is of interest to me yeah no absolutely I think I think it's so important I mean first of all let's go back to our biology this is how we're supposed to eat and so if you're eating optimally your body's going to work optimally and just like those those you know Olympic level track athletes that were hunting down you know some sort of you know Wild game on wet sand you know running at Olympic sprinter speed you know that's how our bodies are designed and so they were eating what they're supposed to eat and their bodies are working the way they're supposed to eat they're not they're not doing you know sprinting drills and all these sorts of things they're just going out and they're just hitting it you know they've got something in front of them they just they just going to chase it down so you can think of that that from from first principles you know where we come from what our background is what our biology is but there are actually a lot of studies and there's a lot of biochemistry and Physiology to support this um if people want to go like do deep in-depth look they can go to Professor Tim noes n o a KES he's a he's a professor of you know Sports Medicine uh from South Africa he was one of the main exercise physiology uh Sports Medicine uh doctors in the world for decades and he was one of these guys that said hey you got to eat carbs you got to eat carbs to fuel you know fuel the the the engine you got to eat carbs of bird carbs he was that guy he he promoted that and then he actually found out like actually I think I've been lying to people for 30 years like this isn't right you actually don't need this you actually don't want it it's actually better uh to not eat carbohydrates as a high performance athlete which is specifically who he's working with right so he's done actually a number of Interventional trials adding in taking out carbohydrates and watching People's performance and they say oh you need carbs to uh to perform it your best no you don't in fact you perform just as well if you make your own carbohydrates yourself and you don't run out of energy because you're producing carbohydrates from your fat stores and so you never run out of glycogen you're always replenishing your glycogen constantly your body's very very good at this and think about it this way you know we all know in the athletic Community or we've heard that you know when you push yourself you push yourself eventually you're going to hit the wall and you're going to run out of gas and you're just going to you know be pretty rough you know and so most people stop there and but other people and I'm sure you've been there I'm sure our listeners have been there I've been there you know if you push yourself and you push yourself you can break through the wall and if you break through the wall you get your Runner High you get your second wind and you and you can just go forever and you just feel amazing and you just go go go go go is this this mythical sort of thing that everyone talks about like oh you can you can break through the wall it's this crazy thing but it it's true I've experienced that I'm sure you know you and others have experienced that as well what that is biochemically is you're eating carbohydrates you built up all this glycogen maybe even carbo loaded I actually found that I I performed way better when I did not carbo load when I actually fasted didn't eat dinner didn't eat breakfast didn't eat lunch and just played my game fasted for 24 hours I played way better I had way more energy well what happened you know you know our bi my biochemistry was different and so when your hitting the wall it's because you've eaten all these carbohydrates your insulin is up and again your insulin's up that's blocking your body's ability to access your fat stores so you have a certain amount of glycogen in your muscles and in your liver but it's it's finite it's that's it once you've used it it's done and so you use all that up your blood sugar starts to drop you can't mobilize anything else and you feel miserable you don't have energy you feel that crap and you just want to stop but if and Norm takes about 24 hours for that insulin level to come down so you can start making blood sugar again and glycogen again which is why I naturally felt better when I didn't eat for 24 hours before a game because my insulin was low and now I'm making all the blood sugar that I need and I felt amazing but when you're when you push yourself and push yourself and push yourself you are you will force yourself to get into uh this this state where you can start making blood sugar and glycogen again right so you force yourself into that and you just feel amazing you have all this energy you can just go forever because now you're tapped into your fat stores well I live in my second wind I'm always in my runner's high so when I start working out I feel amazing because I'm going to you know I'm going to make the exact amount of energy that I need so sitting here talking to you I'm making the exact amount of energy that I need to sit here and talk to you when I start working out when I start running when I start lifting weights my body produces the exact amount of energy that I need for what ever I'm demanding of it and the reason we take stimulus the reason that we you know drink coffee and things like that is because that causes us to burn more energy when we burn more energy we feel better and so we like that so people take all this stuff stimulant so we burn a lot more energy so we're awake so we go hit the gym I go to the gym so that I can wake up I go to the gym so that I feel better because as I'm working out I'm producing more energy I'm burning more energy and I feel better it makes me want to work out harder which makes me feel better which makes me want to work out harder and and so it's this positive feedback loop that the harder I go the better I feel as I'm doing it it's not like I pushing this hard work I'm oh my God I'm so glad that's over but I feel better for having done it no I feel better as I'm doing it and so I just want to go harder and harder and harder and of course you have a limit your you know your your V2 Max you're you're going to hit your your respiratory limit you're going to hit your your uh muscle limit things like that but you can go a hell of a lot harder than you ever have in your life you can go a hell a lot harder than your than your peers or your competition and as you're going you know you can do more and more and more and get fitter and faster and stronger at much faster than other people will as well and so your performance absolutely goes crazy and so just from a physiological biochemistry point of view that it makes perfect sense that you would do that and in practice I can tell you that I as a as a player myself in my early 20s when I was doing this that you know I you know in my late 20s when I'm you know I'm bigger I'm more muscular I've got much more experience under my belt I felt way better had much more strength much more endurance much more stamina and was a better player in my early 20s than I was in my late 20s or any other time and so now and you know I'm 43 now and my body still works amazingly well and I can I can work out and lift weights for hours and I don't run out of gas I don't run out of steam the harder I go the harder I want to go and the longer I want to stay I have to like limit myself because I don't have much time you know but when I do go to the gym it's it's hard for me to drag myself out of there I just want to keep going and keep going and keep going I get much better results I get much better recovery and that's another thing too this this pisses people off more than anything anytime I say any of say that like all the different things I say people okay well maybe maybe not or whatever but when I say this people really seem to like lose their mind I don't get sore it doesn't matter how hard I work out it doesn't matter how hard hard I push myself it doesn't matter how many months it's been since I've lifted weights to deadlifts or squats I go in there I hit it and I do 20 sets of bench 20 sets of squats 20 sets of deadlifts I'm not sore the next day and that's because that storess stiffness and swelling is these you know defense mechanisms these inflammatory factors that are in plants that are causing that pain stiffness and swelling and I don't eat that stuff and so I don't get sore and that's something that that really drives people crazy but it's like hey do it yourself stop eating plants just eat meat and in 2 weeks you will not be getting sore anymore coffee too coffee is a plant coffee that's why it's so bitter has all these defense chemicals in it caffeine is a neurotoxin it was developed as an insecticide you know to to kill insects trying to eat it right and um you know so if you eat that stuff you drink that stuff you're going to get sore you get cut that out of your body for two weeks or so you won't get sore it doesn't matter how hard you work out doesn't doesn't matter how long it's been and that is how our bodies are supposed to work and as an athlete high level or just wish you or or aspiring to become one or just playing recreationally this is the biggest advantage that I've ever seen in my entire life as an athlete and as a clinician one of the most important I mean just just from a from a from another take from another angle I test people's Bloods I test people's hormones you know I have a practice outside of neurosurgery uh where you know I'm I'm able to incorporate more lifestyle interventions as well and I see people's uh blood results I test I test people's testosterone I see people in their uh 50s 60s and 70s men in their 50s 60s and 70s routinely increase their testosterone by 30 to 40% in three months right and I I've had some having even more dramatic results I had one guy he was uh I think early 70s like 72 years old and he doubled his testosterone got into to to the range that you'd see in someone in their 20s and he was just he was just charged with life he said I just feel amazing you know all I want to do is work out and have sex with my wife I just feel amazing like he he said I feel like a teenager again you know hormonally he was pretty close and I've worked with a number of different athletes top athletes rugby players on the US national team uh you know playing in the mlr uh who don't even go all the way carnivore but just go close eating a lot more meat and a lot less of the other crap doubling their testosterone levels right what I mean people cheat they risk their lives they risk their health they risk their freedom and their ability to play in in in organized uh you know in organized events and do you know to do steroids to give themselves an advantage all you have to do is stop eating these things that disrupt your hormones in the first place there are there are chemicals in plants that disrupt your hormones there are phytoestrogens estrogen mimic or soy has 20 times the amount of phytoestrogens uh in it in 3 ounces of soy than a fertile woman makes in a day and you know dozens of times more estrogen than birth control pill so why in God's name are people eating this stuff especially if you're an athlete especially if you want to optimize your health and your hormonal health and you want to get pregnant you want to get your wife pregnant something like that this stuff is toxic so all you have to do is get rid of that stuff that is disrupting your hormones and eat the things that help promote your hormones like red meat fat cholesterol and your body will improve work with a guy did a podcast with a guy named uh Ryan Talbot he's uh and so I have I have two two interviews with him on my on my podcast Channel on YouTube it's just Anthony chaffy MD so you want look that up we did uh an interview last year about 6 months after he went carnivore and he finished uh you know Big 10 Championship he won the Big 10 NCAA Big 10 uh championship for the kathon um last year out of Michigan State and earned All American honors at Nationals after that this year he came in second at the Big 10 and again earned All-American honors right so consistent performance right so I spoke to him uh just after Nationals a few weeks ago not eating weedies well that's it transition that's it weedies yeah exactly yeah we just have to make you a new seral called beefies you know and then breakfast that's a breakfast of champions and um so yeah so he he was telling me that he wasn't feeling great before he went carnivore he went to their team doctor and just said hey look I'm not I'm not feeling my best I I think something's wrong you know can you check it out checked all their blood results it's like yeah you know everything's fine you know there's nothing wrong here you know you're okay and he's like well I don't feel okay so obviously you know that's that's not helpful and so he came across a carnivore diet you know I spoke with him early on he sort of reached out to me and asked me some questions I helped him get going with it and he started you know his athleticism s just took off just just hit all new heights and he you know he said that he was turning into just this you know a much better athlete and he said to me that he was finally becoming the athlete that he always wanted to become and his performance and his ability just started going crazy and he was actually new to the cathlon he was he was not he's not been doing the decathlon for 10 years like other people have and so he was actually knew to to a lot of these events and he won the Big 10 Championship set a School record and is a two-time All-American right so big performances out of this kid obviously very talented athlete and works very very hard but you know what he's saying himself is that this dietary change changed everything now he doesn't feel like he's sick there's something wrong now he just feels amazing he was actually saying to me uh that he was having trouble because he's actually it's actually too easy for him to put on muscle he's like when I I have to work out less because I put on muscle so fast that I'm like gaining weight and you know you have your your your strength to weight ratio you you can slow down a bit he wants to be able to jump higher run faster so he's trying to keep his weight down so he's like I I actually have to work out less because I'm getting I'm getting so muscular and he found on his more recent blood test they they checked his Bloods this year and uh so about one year or so maybe 18 months after uh his original blood test well maybe a year and they found that his testosterone level had gone from 700 something like 720 up to 1150 right so have this 500 point plus bounce in his testosterone and and the team doctor like um yeah that's um that's that's a big jump maybe uh you might uh they might actually have to test you for that and what do you know that NCAA just did a did a so-called random uh drug test on him the next week and uh and chest him they were like oh well yeah oh actually no everything's fine this is all completely natural he's like yeah I know that thank you and so um so that was it so you want a performance Advantage as an athlete well you could do steroids and be an idiot and and potentially ruin your life and your health and you know and and lose your career as an athlete or you can eat a proper diet you can eat meat you can cut out all the other crap and you will not only be able to lock into your fat stores and have Limitless energy unlike if you're eating carbohydrates but you also maximize and optimize your your hormones and your your testosterone growth hormone as well this actually increases gr growth hormone production uh and growth hormone utilization when you eat carbohydrates your insulin goes up insulin blocks the production and function of growth hormone growth hormone is one of the most critical hormones in in longevity Youth and athleticism you know I mean this is you know people take growth hormone as uh for an anti-aging uh from an anti-aging point of view but also from a performance enhancing point of you so you know if you want the benefits of these performance-enhancing agents without the health detriment because this is happening in balance your body is doing this naturally so everything else is is coming up along with it right this is this is Pure Health if you want this and you don't want the risks and you don't want uh you know the the the problems with the legalities of it this is the best thing that you could possibly do for yourself and your career it is I honestly there there are quite a lot of pro pro rugby players in in Australia in the nlr OR NRL sorry dyslexic the uh the the rugby league down here there there are plenty of them I know they're doctors and but they don't talk about it because this is a huge Advantage for them they don't want the competition knowing it right because they want to keep this as an advantage you know I'm I'm of the opinion that you know everyone should benefit from this and and I I was always I was always fine you know having people know my secrets and and know what I was doing because I wanted to I wanted to beat that I I I figured I was going to beat them anyway you know I'm going to work harder than you I'm going to push myself I'm going to go harder than you and like yeah I'll tell you what I'm doing ahead of time you can do the same thing I'm still going to beat you so that was always my mentality but obviously there are others that that sort of want to keep that as an advantage to themselves but I can tell you now you know that if you want that Advantage as a young athlete or a mature athlete or in someone who's 86 and going to a nursing home the best thing that you can do for your life and your health and your athletic performance is eating a biologically appropriate species specific diet and excluding all of the things that are going to be detrimental to your health and performance like plants and carbohydrates in particular well that that was uh that was abolutely brilliant and I also got to say that when you were talking about growth hormone I I was just thinking about sleeping and testosterone is also the hormone of uh testosterone is the hormone of um of motivation and if you're going to be motivated to do something you have to have high testosterone and even in women it has to be relatively high like relative to their level not relative to a man obviously that that doesn't that doesn't work we you know we've seen women need testosterone too and men need estrogen you know I mean these are important hormones but they they need to be in Balance yeah and and they will get out of balance if you eat the wrong thing and and if you have your growth hormone what if if you're eating optimally then you'll have quality sleep which is going to help your growth ABS that's also going to help your performance this has been unbelievable I do want to say a couple before before we talk about a couple of little things about you know the answer stuff listen to Dr CED there there's a little bit more to what we were talking about than you know fast and Fast and the and the tumors go away it's it's not quite that simple and and then uh but the stuff that we've spoken to you about with insulin and anything else I mean Anthony has given you a popery of information that you can delve in deeper and that's where I'd like to get to now uh Dr Anthony shy what do you you know what do you what are you up to what do you where can people get a hold of you um what recommendations would you have for people as to places to go for information and and things like that and and how do they how you have a podcast you you're you're very very active I mean I don't know how I guess I know how you got the energy but I'm I'm old so got all the energy I'm really I'm I'm getting my growth hormone I sleep a lot I'm old yeah I tell you I I will say that uh this carnivore diet has been unbelievable after after my next surgery and my second one which was which was very traumatic I I was sleeping 14 to 16 hours a day just to just to recover and now I'm I'm pretty well down to 8 to n and and and this is it was in the 10 to 11 range before I started doing this even when I was keav war and this has been this this is has really changed my life for the positive and and like I said for me it's been three and a half months but it's been about two years of Keto war and and 20 years of knowing that that's how I should eat but just didn't so anyway so a little bit about like where people can find you and and and what they can learn more about this yeah well absolutely well well thank you very much for having me on it's a pleasure it's great great talking to you it's great to you know to meet uh you know fellow ruggers who know all the people that I played with and and who coached Me growing up so that's awesome uh to connect so uh yeah well people can find me I I do have a podcast it's just called the plantree MD and so that's sort of you know cutting with the theme uh keeping with the theme of uh just not wanting to eat plants whatsoever and that's on on every podcast uh platform it's uh that that you want so Apple Spotify whatever and then I have a YouTube channel it's just U my name just Anthony chaffy MD so chaffy spelled CH ha uh fou e and um and then you can find all my my videos and a bunch of other things on there as well and I specifically have um well you can you have sort of podcast videos on there as well and just starting from one and going on from there I think that's could be a good way to start but if you want to sort of get a more curated list I have a playlist called carnivore Essentials on my YouTube channel and I think that has some of the the the more important videos to to watch and and to know about and there's even ones that talk about you know carnivore for beginners how to get started on a carnivore diet things to to watch out for things to to to look for uh talking about fiber constipation diet how to figure out if you're getting enough fat and and what to do with your digestion things like that so there's I think and then some faq's ones as well so you know I think that covers 98 99% of of the issues that people might run into uh starting a carnivore and how to get started so that's a good place for people to start and then a lot of those other videos really give the nuts and bolts on why we're doing this and why it's important and you know a lot of the the things that we touched on here today would be in there as well but then sometimes in more focused detail showing studies and showing uh you know different you know uh different papers and things like that I always try to put the the papers and the references in the descriptions if I'm talking about you know specific studies I try to put those in the description so people can go down there they can check my work and if they think that hey you know I think that you got it wrong on this that's fine you know but uh this is where I'm coming from and you know this is what I'm basing that well part of the stuff I'm basing it on um and uh and so then I'm on yeah Instagram uh that's the same thing just Anthony chaffy MD and uh yeah people can find find me there and I I do a lot of posts there and let people know when I'm having podcasts out so if they want to uh just yeah just check me out there those are those are where they can find me and then Twitter Anthony safy uh that I'm trying to become more active in is there uh is there a place where if people were interested and and having you be their uh their doctor or or the or the um for lack of a better word nutritionist or is there or is there anywhere that they can reach you in order to use you as a consult or I mean it is difficult because yeah I'm yeah you're doing your work is kind of your work is I don't know that there's a lot of time for that it it is difficult yeah so yeah I mean I'm doing you know neuros surgery full-time that's that's my day night and weekend job and then on the weekends that I that I do have free I work I work in a private Clinic doing exactly that though because I I think that it's you know that it's really good to be able to see people on on a sort of more onetoone basis where you're not sort of critical care sort of uh you know it's more rush and you have to sort of fly through different things and very very hypers special field uh like neurosurgery and um so I do like that I I do like that aspect I you know a clinic here uh that I work out of called the Hobart clinic in Mount hawor which is in Perth Australia so obviously not really helpful for people around the world um and I and then I do know my podcast I all videos in in my other time I I do try to do sort of online consultations for people who really need it but I do try to encourage people to watch my videos and and try to get their answers there because I don't I don't want people have to pay for something that they can get for free I try to make all this stuff available to people for free so that they they can get all the information they can get everything that they need without having to pay for it because the whole idea here is to get away from the medical system to get away from having to pay people and and medicines and things like that just learning how to live uh health healthfully and and you know and not having to need that there are some people with very specific situations that they need a bit more uh you know TC yeah exactly and and for those people I do try to make myself available um but I I do try to encourage people is like watch my videos first and and you know sort of sort of answer all those questions first and if there's more than I can help with we can try to help that out um I do have contact information in my I I do have an email that if people are interested in or in in collaborating or doing something or uh need a bit of help I mean obviously I can't answer IAL questions over email or anything like that um or at all really you know it's just outside of you know bounds of practice but um my email is just Anthony chaffy @gmail.com and so that's an o n y c h FF gmail.com and people can uh go there if they if they have seen my videos they watch these things they really feel that they need more um then we can we can see about that about doing more but um or if people wanted to collaborate or do uh podcasts or interviews or or whatever or maybe uh somebody who was feeling a bit uh rebellious in the in the rugby community and wanted to get their team on a carnivore die to actually uh dominate the competition I'm I'm I'm definitely here for that well I would I want to say thank you very much this was fabulous and a fabulous experience and I and and rone said you would have man I mean he's not going to like hearing about the mushrooms being Carson a I know I I was I was thinking about him as well mushrooms I mean the guy lives for having I don't even know if he lik eating them but he likes to go out and catch them we'll go out and find them sure he likes eating them too not a lot that he doesn't put in his body these days um that all uh that all said that was now there's going to you'll have some things do you have carnivore on a budget like cuz there's going to be guys I'm broke I can't afford yeah so there's quiv war on a budget there's way there's plenty of ways to afford this and and you don't you're not eating all that so that's it you're taking all that crap out of your you know you're not paying 250 for a Gatorade anymore you're just or six bucks yeah six bucks for a Starbucks or something like that I mean ground beef is cheap as hell right and it has all the nutrients you need for 24 hours right so I'm children yeah so children y that's it that's it you know so you know I'm I'm like 240 lbs like I on a sedentary day I eat like 2 lbs of beef fatty beef fattier the better fat you're going to get more nutrients more calories you you'll have you'll actually eat less pounds so the fattier the meat that you get the less you'll have to eat the less you'll have to pay all right and um ground beef is is super cheap anywhere anywhere you go generally and um but even steak is less expensive than spinach depending on the cut right right so if you look at like per pound right like a pound of spinach costs more than than steak does unless you get any very very fancy cut so you know and and potato chips exactly the same cost more than steak so you know you actually find that you you spend less and you get a lot more and you know you can't put a price tag on your health and you know but you know down the road you can you know all the different medications all the different appointments all the surgeries all just the the just the Lost days of your life that you're not going to get back and um and just your performance and in every aspect of your life you're going to be doing better you're going to be feeling better you know people this something we didn't touch on but mental health disorders this is shown uh from Professor Chris Palmer at Harvard that you can reverse you know serious mental health disorders like major depression anxiety schizophrenia he's reversing schizophrenia with a ketogenic or carnivore diet he's actually done carnivore for himself Professor Palmer has and he does more more keto now but you know that's something he's just like yeah that's a that's a keto diet you know the main thing is mitochondrial health so we're seeing that more and more and more that that the mitochondria really important for all these disease processes so you know it's one one last sorry one last a lot of people are going to say but my doctor said this XYZ how much training does a doctor get in nutrition and are they just reading or they just repeating the that they hear on TV and I don't know if they're allowed to do uh drug ads in Australia I know they're allowed in New Zealand and America and it's like people are going in my cholesterol I think Dr kenberry did something where cholesterol is like the 13th or 14th leading yeahor yeah it's like almost nothing and heart disease like so you're by going to Dr Anthony Cha's Channel you will be armed with the information to be able to dispute your doctor in a sensible way he may not be able to accept what you say based on insurance guidelines or standard of care practice he he may even agree with you and not be able to say that you're correct can you just elaborate a little bit on you know some you know there might have been something that happened recently that that some doctors May disagree with mandating something that might have come out that everybody needed to get that was so great for you now more people are turbo and whatever that uh you know has really wreaked massive havoc on so could you just ease people into saying hey don't sweat it man that like so sorry you know you know what I'm asking yeah not not about that yeah I'm not asking about this thing I I'm asking about that the doctor doesn't really know as much about nutrition as he may let on or she may yeah no yeah well I mean I that's the thing you know it's like the exact amount of of time that we got learning nutrition is is that much zero we didn't get anything uh really done maybe some some biochemistry stuff you could call that nutrition you went to a Pack 12 school you went to and and so you went to a high high caliber University and you went to the Royal College of Surgeons in London so you're not you're not a poorly educated man you you got that much is no I hope not yeah I I do my best anyway and very well educated and and they taught you zero you had to learn this this is this is you yeah well and you know I I mean took nutrition classes in college because I was interested in it you know I was I was interested I wanted to fuel my body with with the the best thing that I could you know I was an athlete I wanted to I wanted to be the best athlete that I could and so I took nutrition classes I was also interested in biology and so this was just a natural uh path for me um in medical school I mean yeah there's some biochemistry that we learn and yeah you learn a bit about you know cholesterol and how that works in your body and and you know eating fructose and how that's metabolized so that's that's that's that that is nutrition you know biochemistry is nutrition but you know the fact of the matter is is that even nutritionists don't know nutrition because they know the nutrition that's taught to them by the propagandist that's paid for by the big food companies you know Coca-Cola just Coca-Cola not Kelloggs and Pepsi and nestl and all the others just Coca-Cola spent 11 times the amount of money on nutritional research than the NIH okay so the nutritional research that's out there is crap this is industry research chch this is propaganda and you know a lot of this stuff from like lomalinda and the 7day Adventist and things like that we already know their bias they founded nutritional Sciences they have they had their grubby little fingers in uh uh University nutrition since the outset and they are absolutely still involved do not kid yourself for a second to think that that has gone away and this is a you know wonderfully pure scientific Endeavor it is not it is pure propaganda and so I'm actually happy that doctors don't get taught nutrition because they would have been taught propaganda they would have been taught this plant-based nonsense that is just is just factually incorrect so I'm actually glad that we don't get taught that but we don't get taught that and so when people when when when I and I i' I saw this phenomenon in myself and in in others in my class where you know you all of a sudden you're becoming a you're learning to become a doctor and then become a doctor and then someone says something about oh well yes this what it is has something to do with health you're you are now a certified health expert right and so whatever your opinions and bias were yeah whatever your opinions and bias were before that you just go oh yeah no no no that that's that's what that is you speak very authoritatively because you're a doctor and and you are and you're a health expert right and I remember catching myself a few times I'm like I don't actually know that like I I that's my opinion this and the other but I like I should actually look that up because like I'm I'm doing I would see my peers doing this you see doctors doing this all the time i' spoken to different doctors and they're like well the reason that people are so fat and sick is because they don't listen to the doctor's advice they're just they're just eating too much fat in this the other that's not true if you look at the consumption data that we brushed on uh brushed on earlier we reduced red meat by 30% over 33% in fact reduce fat and cholesterol by 30% right things got worse so people listened they did listen and started eating more whole food more fruits and vegetables stop started eating less meat less fat saturated fat I should say because they started replacing it with seed oils which are poison and you know and and everyone got worse so no the problem was they did listen to their doctors they did listen to the nutritional guidelines and everyone got wor so you know like you said you know arm yourself with the facts know what know and that's why I put that's why I put a lot of um uh resources and links to studies and other talks and lectures in my in my talks because I think it's very very important to know the sources and and have these On Your Arsenal I've got I've got hundreds of studies on my phone and someone goes oh well where did you hear that oh here you go here's five studies there you go you know like this is this is important to know about and when you arm yourself with the facts and you just understand what's going on your doctor says oh no no you shouldn't be doing that well you can push back on them if you want or you can just avoid it just be like well you know this is what I'm doing you don't even have to bring it up why bring it up you know you don't need to right and so you know it's just you know you just get to do what you want to do and as something that I that we've learned in the last couple years as you alluded to you know your body is your own you get to decide what happens to it you know you do not have to take any medications that you don't want to take you do not have to do any interventions that you don't want to do that is the law and that international law that that is encoded enshrined in the nurmberg code and anyone who violates that is violating the nurmberg code and and is doing the same thing that the Nazis did you know and so you don't have to do anything you damn well don't want to and if your doctor wants to put you on a medication and you feel that you have and you have researched this to an extent that you say you know what I actually don't want to take that medication you do not have to take that medication and you should not feel pressured or influenced by your doctor say well you know you have to do this because I'm a doctor that's that's a very bad take as a doctor that's bad bedside manner you know if I have a patient that I want to try I think that something's going to really help them I like I think this is the right thing to do it's still their body at the end of the day you know if I think surgery is really going to help them it's their body they have to go through it they're running the risk they have to do the recovery right and so if they said you know what I really don't want to do that I don't think that's the right thing for me right now I just want to wait and see I'm I'm I'm going to be in their corner you know and if your doctor's not in your corner that could be a problem that could be a sign that you know maybe maybe they're not there for you in other ways and so arm yourself with the facts know what's going on know the studies know the arguments on both sides you know listen to the vegans listen to you know these people there's tons of nutritionists that that have learned the plant-based way of eating saw it you know destroy their own health saw it destroy their patients health and went like this is wrong and they had to relearn everything and now they're on a carnivore side or keto side um and so you know there are plenty of resources out there there are plenty of uh you know contrarians to the norm who have a lot of evidence and behind us and so just take a look I mean that's why I made my channel was to provide people with that information and that access to these things that not everyone's going to going to see I I spent years looking at these things I you know course of my education decades you know and I've come across things that I think add and so I've I've tried to lay those out in a systematic way to allow people to uh to have access to and you just learn that you understand that you're going to be much better armed going in and hey maybe you can can convince your own doctor uh that this is this is a better idea for their patients and you will see your numbers improve your health improve and if your doctor can't see that can't recognize that you are getting better you're coming off medications your blood pressure is down you're off your diabetes medication your hpa1 sees back to normal your testosterone's up you know all these other markers are improving and then you say oh but your LDL is up so you got to stop this right away and that's Insanity right you've you know you've improved your health by all these different different metrics and yet you know someone gets hung up on that one little figure that's that's that's uh that's Insanity to me so understand what the hell is going on with cholesterol and um and and arm yourself with these facts I have a video called the truth about cholesterol and heart disease very simple and just goes through the history goes through the facts goes through the science and it has the resources they are available for you leading the way and but two of the most prominent ones are rugby guys you and Dr Shawn Baker are uh sure the are the most prominent and and Dr kenberry but I don't think he played rugby are the most prominent he play basketball did said there you go yeah yeah yeah yeah he was a he was a yeah scholarship basketball player and then he blew out his knee oh well there you go then that's uh they So you you're looking at at people who are into high performance and when people are into high performance you you have there there's every little bit counts like yeah that little 1% here that little 1% there your mental game your everything counts and nutrition is really not not taken the proper way I don't think and and if people took their nutrition properly they they probably as you said they wouldn't get sore the inflammation and we're causing our own inflammation and when you're causing your own inflammation you're just up your recovery dreadfully yeah absolutely thank you very much I have unfortunately lived a lifetime of of inflammation but uh but hopefully the the next generation of people can can be more like you and and and and really find their way into a uh into a great lifestyle thank you very much Dr Anthony chaffy this was absolutely brilliant you want to make well thank well I appreciate it thank you very much for having me all right brother perfect let me just cut the recording oh have a great day everybody and thank you and and goodbye uh all right so now it's just I think it always just giv me the option to leave so I won't thank you again I appreciate it uh I know it's probably getting a little bit late by you but I don't know if you're going out or if you're going to if you're going to uh get up and go no I'll staying I got um I don't think I've got um anything else tonight no I've just I've just got some meetings and stuff like that in the morning so just going to take it easy good I'm going to watch some rugby today and that'll be it for me so nice anyway have a good one have a great day brother peace optimal diets you know maybe some people you know can be uh less damaged have more defenses towards some of these plant poisons and plant toxins but that does not mean it's it's optimal for them that doesn't mean that is the best thing that they can have so there is an optimal diet okay it is something all right so I think all the best evidence shows that that that's a carnivore diet and so regardless of your age regardless of your issue and your disease that is the best thing for you to eat and it will change your life dramatically