The No-BS Approach to Fix Your Body and Mind, with Duru Bilimlier

Welcome to the Plant Free MD podcast with Dr. Anthony Chaffee where we discuss diet and nutrition >> [music] >> and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically. Hello everyone. Thank you for joining me for another episode of the Plant Free MD podcast. I'm your host Dr. Anthony Chaffee and today I have a very special guest who has been making a big hit on social media recently with her take on diet and nutrition. So I'm very very happy to have her on. Thank you so much for for coming on. Thank you so much for having me. You're very welcome. Okay, so for people who haven't come across you yet, can you please tell us a bit about yourself and and what you do? So I came from a background of really struggling with my weight trying every diet under the sun that is promoted by the fitness industry you know counting macros but then also they recommend eating intuitively and so you're kind of lost and for most of us young girls we end up gaining all this weight that makes us very insecure for a lot of us it causes hormonal issues on top of that not just physical appearance issues acne issues so many issues like that and so after experimenting with keto and then animal based I finally came to carnivore after binge watching a ton of your videos which my dad introduced me to. My dad was the first one who told me about carnivore and introduced me to all your videos and that's when the rabbit hole from the obsession began and I probably watched every YouTube video you've ever uploaded. Oh well thank you. That's great and so um So you before that you were just doing you know the classic you know approach you know saying that that's you know of what we are supposed to eat or what we're not to eat probably do avoid fat avoid meat things like that. Exactly. And what had what did that do for you you know good results or how did it go? So originally the whole low fat high carb is what the all these bodybuilders promote all these fit people just because they have a fit looking physique they claim to have all this knowledge about what you should be eating. So when you just follow their advice which is 99% of these people you end up ravenously hungry and this is how my binge eating problem started. So I would gain all this weight and when I when I was able to lose it with carnivore that is when I started making these before and afters that gained a lot of attention and in my captions I would explain how I was able to achieve this with the proper human diet which is carnivore and this would cause a lot of controversy in the comments. Some people would agree that they've never felt so good without carbs. Some people say it's essential all this conversation. So it's the before and after that I think people really identify with and get inspired by because when you are in a starting point that a lot of people are at and then they see what the after is capable of and then they see themselves and your transformation. So this inspires others to also try out the diet look into it research it. Yeah and you have a lot of those as well and and not just for yourself but for a lot of people that you've worked with and some of these people look I mean they honestly look like different people some of these things you can see like in the facial structure that they are the same person but it's a massive massive difference and change in some of these >> Plastic surgery in food form. Yeah exactly. Yeah and so there's massive health benefits. Obviously like you said you can you can be fit you can be a you know athletic you can work out all the time and on a bad diet and actually still look good but that doesn't necessarily mean that you are healthy and that doesn't work for everybody. It's a lot harder to do that for for other people and when you get the nutrition right the diet right it just happens naturally and it actually supports that athletic side of things the bodybuilder side of things even more so that's the most That's the most frustrating part in my opinion when people like to use some certain athlete or fitness influencer as an example of why carbs are beneficial but look at them currently. They look amazing but if they were to follow down the line of what that person going to look like in 10 years they will be aged very rapidly due to all the glycation. They end up losing their hair much quicker. They end up you can see the deterioration over time. So they're just looking at the present they don't look at the long term future and we know that a lot of these bodybuilders and athletes end up having a lot of heart issues and complications due to the abuse of their bodies and abuse of carbs. Yeah and also you just have to look at professional athletes after they retire quite a lot of them blow up and they they gain a ton of weight and they get diabetic and have you know heart >> unrecognizable Yeah and they're they're they're wildly different. Some stay in shape but because they're they're staying in shape they're exercising they're doing these sorts of things and other people they sort of drop off the exercise train but they keep having they still have the eating habits that they had as an athlete and it's it's a bad combination it doesn't work out. Yeah when I was doing animal based so mixing fruits along with basically carnivore I would have to do a ridiculous amount of steps every day weight lift five times a week to maintain a certain physique and it still looked kind of puffy inflamed bulky but then on carnivore I cut my steps down to half what they used to be weight lift less but now I look much more toned much more athletic with less effort because it's so much easier for the body to maintain without that inflammation. Yeah I mean I noticed that as well looking at pictures of myself when I was playing rugby you know played you know professional rugby for 10 years five of those were on carnivore and five of those were not and then you know recreationally you know you know continued playing after that but I would be in good shape I would be very good shape and be very you know lean and muscular but you know have a bit more of a puffiness you know in my my face and things like that and in the off season you know we would get more and if I wasn't if I wasn't working out as much then that would it would I mean two weeks that that was what I noticed if I wasn't working out for two weeks or in the gym two weeks I was losing muscle definition muscle tone and I was starting to get fluffy. And so I had to constantly be fighting against entropy my body just was trying to just break down constantly and and so yeah I had to do that but constantly to to be able to maintain that and then when I was carnivore it was I just year round I was always in great shape I always had good physique and I wasn't puffy ever and you know then later on in my life you know I just yeah that all went away as well it's very easy to maintain that even when I'm not able to work out all that often which is nice too and that's why you get the diet right first and then everything else comes as a consequence of that much easier. And it almost feels like on carnivore specifically you build much more dense lean tissue compared to on a high carb diet. It's just fake water filled muscle tissue where as soon as you cut out the carbs you deflate which is why they like to villainize keto villainize carnivore saying oh you just lost the weight because you lost water weight. Well yeah the water weight was one of the reasons you looked puffy in the first place. Yeah and and also you you store fat in your muscles as well it's called myosteatosis and we we see this all the time in medicine. We look do an MRI of something and and you'll see there's fatty infiltrates in the muscle. It's so common now that it often doesn't even get mentioned by the radiologist. It's just like that it's just that just happens but it's a really strong sign of metabolic disease and people that are seeing it all the time now so prevalent. And so you see that fatty infiltrate in the muscles this is what this is what marbling is it's human marbling. So we we feed cows grains >> human wagoos That's it. Yeah and and so we we do that for them and then we wonder why we get it in us where it's it's the same stuff and and so you actually get fat fatty infiltrates in the muscles and this is why they can make them look bigger and puffier but it doesn't actually that's not actually muscle and then when you stop eating that garbage or like a bodybuilder they cut out carbs leading up to a competition they their muscles sort of deflate and they're like oh you're losing muscle. Like no you're not losing the fat in the muscle. That's the difference there and they they don't realize that but yeah you're right. I mean you know with athletes I work with and just in myself it's a lot easier to put on muscle and it's a lot easier to put on on healthy lean body mass and it doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't it just stays there and so even when you're not working out you just you keep this muscle mass and this tone and definition. How does it not make sense to them that if you were eating muscle tissue it turns into muscle tissue versus a bowl of rice cream of overnight oatmeal peanut butter that sounds much harder to convert into muscle versus actual muscle. And and and of course it is you know I mean some people will tell you that that when you when you compare certain amounts of you know of grams of when you equivalent when you get the equivalent amount of grams of proteins and and you get the balance right and things like that doesn't matter if it comes from plant sources or animal sources blah blah blah. You know how bloody difficult that is to do that from actual whole plant sources because you they're not bioavailable they don't come in the right proportions and they come with a bunch of anti anti nutrients tannins that will bind to proteins prevent you from absorbing them you know protease inhibitors that will prevent you from breaking it down and absorbing them and things like that. So you're talking about protein isolates from a plant source and you balance it right that can be as good as blah blah blah blah. I mean you can just stop listening after that you know I mean it's just useless it's not real life. And um and so you know they they they're happy to say you are what you eat when you say oh if you eat that you get that you are what you eat. Right? Okay well I want to put on muscle I should eat muscle. No no no it doesn't work like that. You need broccoli. That's what you need. So you know am I am I a turnip? You know then why am I if I am you know. So true. There's so many coffee shops around the area that I live too, since it's like a trend to eat these plant-based things. I was like, "Pea 20 g of pea protein smoothie." And all these people after their Pilates class, they raise their cortisol with this little unnecessary workout, and then they just have a pea plant protein phytoestrogen smoothie right after. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And and you know, and the problem is is they think that's healthy. And they think they're doing the right thing. And and because they're being told that, they're being sold that, and then they're buying the product that goes along with that. Mhm. >> And they're they're being misled. And you know, now we have obesity rates of never at levels they've never before been seen. Um and and we're seeing people that everyone's has a weight issue. Everyone has a metabolic issue. Over 90% of people have some sort of metabolic issue. Uh 70% of people in America are overweight or obese. And and that's not just America. People think that America are just the fattest and sickest. It's It's actually about average for Western countries. It's about on par. And there are other places that are a lot worse. You know, India doesn't have the obesity rates that we have. They have far higher rates of metabolic disease, diabetes, and even heart disease. And they're all vegetarians. You know, they eat like [clears throat] 3 kilos of meat per person per year. Right? And yet they have like a In some studies, as as high as 25% type 2 diabetes rates in certain populations. So, that's >> You can also tell by the physique. Yeah, you can tell that too. Yeah. You know, bubble gut and usually tend to have skinnier arms, no muscle tone. And it's just a direct reflection that plant-based isn't working. Yeah. And even vegetarian, since they I think they allow eggs and dairy. Some do. Yeah, there's there's ovo-lacto vegetarians, but even then it's not it's not as much. I mean, some people will say that they're you know, an omnivore because they have eggs you know, once a week. Mhm. Twice a week or something like that. You know, but yeah, like the dairy and the and the ghee and things like that. That was That was a mainstay in the diet, and that sort of helped get some nutrients in there. But in in recent years, recent decades, they've been really pushing the seed oil sides of things. Oh, no, no, don't eat all that horrible dairy. That's bad for you. Eat this nice healthy, you know, cottonseed oil, you know, and that that'll be good for you, you know, cuz And in regards to how high the obesity rates are getting, a lot of the young girls I work with, it's not simply just the weight alone. Oh, I happen to be obese. I happen to have this health issue. It affects personal life directly. It affects a young girl's confidence levels, um the way they carry themselves, the way they carry themselves in business, in school. Basically, it affects all areas of life and can completely destroy your personal life as well, as well as your health life. Mhm. >> So, it's just something that can take over completely. And people tend to overlook these things. Oh, you know, maybe I'll put off losing this weight and just seek these comfort foods. But in reality, it's taking a toll on the entire aspects of their lives. And if they can imagine what life would be like without that debilitating insecurity of I'm a little overweight. I'm a little pudgy. I have acne. They could all be fixed with the diet. But then when we, you know, when we come up with the topic of a carnivore, a lot of people also are so attached to the food that they don't want to part with that comfort that they seek from the food. So, they're just not made aware of how amazing life can be on the other end of giving up the foods that are keeping them in that state. And it's becoming such a high prevalent amount of young girls, young men especially, who are just such insecure shells of the humans that they could be if they were just raised on the right foods. They'd be raised confident, raised happy, and just have a different quality of life in general, which they're not seeing. Yeah. And obviously, you know, if you get the right nutrients during development, you'll develop into the genetic specimen that you're supposed to to you according to your genetics. And and you'll just be healthier generally. And and like you say, confidence is is really important. You can look anyway. But if you are unconfident, unsure about how you look, that affects you, and it affects you very negatively. You have a very negative mindset. There was an interesting study. You probably heard of it. Um that they took a a group of women, and they said, "Okay, we're going to go in for a job interview." And what they want to do is we want to see are these people going to treat you differently um because we're going to put down like this fake scar on your face, right? >> Mhm. And so, they had this makeup artist put this thing. They looked at it like, "Oh, wow, that looks real. Look at that." And they're like, "Okay, hey, look, before you go in, I just need to you need to fix a couple couple things." They They take them away from the mirror. What they're actually doing is they're wiping it off. Mhm. >> And so, they remove this thing off, so they look completely normal. There's no scar on them. And then they go into that job interview, and um and they they're seeing is okay, some people are going to have a scar, some people aren't going to have a scar, and we'll see what the difference is, right? But the the test was actually on on the woman who thinks she's getting a scar. So, she didn't have a scar. Or none of them had a scar. And they asked them later, "Okay, so how'd that go?" And they're like, "Oh my god, yeah, you could just tell they just kept looking at it, and they kept making comments like these comments here. They were talking about the scar and blah blah blah blah blah." It's insane. >> Insane. Yeah, but she didn't they didn't even have a scar. >> Mhm. Right? So, your mentality affects things much more than than we think, and sometimes much more than than other people may actually be um you know, you know, their their take on you is not necessarily just based on your appearance. It could be based on your perception of your appearance and your confidence level. And and that's really really important for just having that that image. Not not for any vanity reasons, but being comfortable in your own skin, you are more confident and in in the real world. And that affects you and how you deal with other people, which is makes a huge difference. Also, this thing is going around about, "Oh, you know, losing the weight will make you happy. Getting rid of the acne will make you happy." Uh yes, it will. Of course, you're going to be so much happier when you see what you've accomplished. You look in the mirror, see what you've done. And now because you can trust yourself when it comes to diet, you can trust yourself when it comes to discipline, you can apply that towards every other aspect of life and just achieve all those other things as well because you nailed the first step, which is controlling what you put into your body. Yeah, absolutely. And and you know, you raise a good point that this is this this that sort of level of discipline can affect other parts of your life. That if you you did something, you say, "Okay, I'm going to I'm going to make this plan. I'm going to stick to it." And then you get the result that you want. So, okay, well, now I'm going to make this new plan. I'm going to stick to that, too, and and make more beneficial moves in my life as well. It's It's It's a very good learning tool for people to have. I mean, that confidence builder is really key as well, especially for young people. And I I understand that you you work with a lot of people in the younger age groups. How are they coming to this? And and are are they receptive to this? Obviously, there's there's there's probably a big Very much more open-minded. Good. Yeah. Because with internet now, with YouTube, since you know, the younger generation is much easier at consuming content online, they just absorb it all, and they're ready to go all in. They're ready to, you know, share their results. They're ready to go 100% in, especially the motivating aspect of uh reminding them of what life is like on the other end, how good they'll feel, how the clothes, everything they wear will look good, how they'll carry themselves. When they're constantly reminded of the end result, they're able to visualize themselves at that end result, it's so much easier to get there versus just constantly being reminded of the weight they have to lose, being reminded of whatever. You only remind them of the positives, and that just makes it so much easier cuz you only see the end results when you're constantly talking about it. Yeah. And um so, you know, that raised a big issue because there's there's a lot of people that, you know, especially in the younger generations, that have a lot of self-image issue, body image issues. Eating disorders are becoming Well, they've they've been very prevalent for a long time, but they're certainly uh they can you know, in a lot of areas they're getting a lot worse. Um how do you find that this helps with that side of thing? Um you know, I understand that you you know, work with people with eating disorders as well. How does this this uh help with that? So, what I find is that 99% of eating disorder advice online, in general, even with certified experts, people who've studied this field, is complete BS because they've simply been taught to normalize the foods that got this person to this eating disorder state in the first place. Obviously, if you eat what everyone else is eating, you're not going to like the way you look because a lot of these foods are designed to make you overweight. So, because we don't understand the food, we think an anorexic person's or, you know, an any kind of eating disorder person's brain thinks, "Now, all food is evil. I have to stay away from all of it. I can't eat anything because everything will make me overweight." Little do they know, if they eat a carnivore diet, they will get that nice toned lean look because usually an eating disorder starts from seeing someone that is fit, athletic, has a good-looking physique, and then you think because none of the foods you eat are getting you to that point, the only way to get there is by starving, by eating nothing at all, developing maybe bulimia, developing these other eating disorders. It's the only other way they know how to get there. Because when they go for help online, they're just told by these other individuals, "You just have to stop fearing food. Don't be afraid of stomach rolls. They're a natural part of a human body. It's okay to love your arm fat." We live in reality. We know these things don't look good. We know that these state these things are a sign of insulin resistance, which is why we want to look insulin sensitive, which is what a lean person's body reflects. So, this is the beneficial part, in my opinion, of carnivore when it comes to eating disorders. It is a no BS approach. Just saying reality how it is. Yes, if you eat X, Y, and Z, they will make you look a certain way that you won't like because they're making you unhealthy. Unhealthy equals attractive, which is why it ends up giving you a physique you don't like. But to get a physique that you love, that is healthy, you eat the proper human diet, which these experts in the eating disorder field may deem as restrictive, but I've never felt more liberated eating one food category because that is a food category that aligns with the human body versus calling eating foods made in the laboratory a part of a non-restrictive diet, even though they were never made to be introduced to a human body in the first place. Yeah, definitely. And um I you know, to your point and when we have we sort of mentioned this off camera, but in the hospital setting when when someone comes in with an eating disorder like anorexia or something like that as an inpatient against their will sometimes, like they have to have court orders, things like that. They're often not allowed to leave the hospital until they are willing to accept eating junk foods. Not even like normal whole foods, but like they they have to eat um sugary crap. Right? >> I saw a picture of what their recovery meal looks like. It was goldfish crackers, a PB&J sandwich, and chocolate milk. That was the eating disorder recovery meal. Yeah, I mean that's just >> So sad. No, it is. And it's it's um it's uh it's indoctrination is what it is. I mean, you're you're forcing these people to know all food is good food. All food is good food. All food is good food. Well, what if it's not food in the first place, right? I mean I don't think peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, I don't consider that food. You know, I don't consider [snorts] goldfish crackers food. You could eat it. You also eat dirt, right? You actually get probably more nutrients out of that too. You used to get some iron, some selenium, magnesium, zinc, you know? I you're probably not getting any of that in goldfish crackers. So, it's it's pretty Yeah, I mean, it's indoctrination. I mean, you're you're going to re-education camps and things like that. Now, the thing is that for some people that have a very serious condition to the point that they they are um they their lives are being threatened. You know, with anorexia is is a is a mental health disorder has the highest mortality rate of all mental health disorders. And so, it's very very serious. And so, I I can see that from a triage point of view, like look, just get them eating something. And sugary crap, it tastes nice. At least they'll get something, right? And they won't die. But I think it I think it's just a sort of a revolving door because they they get them to eat this crap that is crap. They know it's crap. And it doesn't make them feel good. They start putting on unhealthy weight. They're not feeling good. And they're like, I'm not eating that. And they go back to what they were doing before. So, instead of teaching them healthy eating habits, saying, "Hey, look, these are the nutrients that that are designed for your body. It's not just about energy and getting calories. It's it's about nutrients. These are the nutrients that your body needs. And if you eat these, you're going to be healthy and you're going to be nourished and you won't gain fat. You might gain weight because a lot of people are are underweight severely. But they they won't gain an unhealthy amount of fat if they're eating a healthy diet. So, instead of teaching them proper nutrition and eating you know, eating like a a human should eat they'd say, "Just eat hot garbage." And then that's fine. Okay, yeah, I know, I'm eating the hot garbage. You do what you have to do to get the hell out of there. Right? And then you just go back to doing whatever the hell you want to do. You know. Not to mention that a lot of these foods, the reason you ended up gaining weight on them in the first place is because once you start, you can't stop eating them. The biggest issue that I had for me with food was binge eating. I could eat massive amounts of food, three times the amount of food that my 6'2" 200-lb dad could eat because once you eat something that contains carbs, we I've seen from your videos, you mentioned that it lowers leptin, which is the satiety hormone, increases ghrelin, so you become a bottomless pit where you want to keep eating. And that is where the eating disorder part comes in. You're saying, "Okay, if I start eating this food, if I start eating any of these foods, I can't stop myself. So, I have to avoid it completely." Whereas a steak is filling. You eat the steak, you're full. You don't want any more. But with the crackers, the fruits, I could binge eat a bag of oranges, like nine oranges in one sitting. But a steak, like less than a pound of steak, I'm full. I'm good for the whole day. Yeah. Hey guys, just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at Carnivore Bar. I don't promote many products because honestly, all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat. For those times that you're out hiking, road tripping, or stuck at work and you want a nutritious snack that is just meat, fat, and salt if you want it, the Carnivore Bar is a great option. So, I like this product not because it's just pure meat, but also because I want the carnivore market to thrive as well. And the more we support meat-only products, the more meat-only products there will be available in the mainstream. So, if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind, check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off, which also applies to subscriptions, giving you 25% off total. All right, thanks, guys. And and a lot of that has to do with you're you're getting the nutrients that you need and your brain just says, "Yes, that's it." You know, people don't realize, but we have receptors in our stomach that track up something called the vagus nerve up to our brain. And and our our body is tracking in real time all the macros and micros that are in our stomach in real time, long before we break it down and absorb them. Our brain knows what's there and it knows what we need. And so, you know, it tastes really good at first and because your body wants those nutrients, but then as as you go on and on it tastes slightly less good until finally it doesn't taste good at all because your body says, "Hey, we have everything that we need here. Don't worry about it." But if you're eating carbs and junk and goldfish crackers, there's no nutrients there. Your body's saying, like, "Yeah, okay, that tastes nice, but there's nothing in here. Uh we're not getting anything from that." And so, your hunger doesn't go away. And to your point, it raises insulin, which then blood sugar goes up, insulin goes up, but then ins- insulin lowers your blood sugar too low, and now you're hypoglycemic and you feel like, "Wow, I need I need to eat more." Uh fructose sugar, um just sweet part of sugar, that will upregulate ghrelin. And um you know, it blocks leptin, so your brain can't see it. So, effectively looks like you have less leptin than you do because it blocks that. And carbohydrates raise insulin, insulin blocks leptin as well. So, it's this this is sort of perfect storm to make your brain think you're starving to death. And you get this panic that you have to eat and you have to eat or else you're going to die. And this is why you get people on TikTok that are like freaking out because they haven't eaten in 5 hours and they're getting hangry and things and making a fit. Everyone's laughing. They're like, "Jesus, guys passing out." But you know, that is what their brain is telling them. They they're so panicked by this because their brain is saying, "Hey, if you don't eat, you will die." And it so it's this is really this visceral response of just like, "I need to eat." They're freaking out. But it you know, it's completely it's completely artificial. You're not dying. Uh it's just your brain thinks you are because of that hormonal disruption from eating that crap. And it's designed to. And that's why that's why they also promote the whole eating three times a day plus snacks in between, which I used to feel the need to do. As soon as I woke up, the first thought in my brain was, "Okay, what am I going to have for breakfast? What am I going to eat?" Food was something that consumed my mind 24/7. It was very obsessive. It was like the highlight of my day, all I looked forward to. But on carnivore, food is no longer I'm no longer prisoner to cravings, no longer a prisoner to what am I Basically, what food am I going to get high on? Cuz that's what I was basically doing, getting high on Oreos, getting high on Cheez-Its, whatever it may be. And on carnivore, one meal a day, uh eggs, steak, some extra bone marrow on the sides, and I'm good to go. I'm full. Sometimes, if I'm feeling extra full, I'll do a 48 once a month for autophagy benefits, purposes, things like that. And another thing that I've been researching into is women that have trouble getting pregnant when they go to OMAD. Even if they uh when they're on a keto diet or a low-carb diet, anything of that nature, their fertility only improves when they start implementing OMAD because that's when their insulin is finally lower, their blood sugar is stabilized. And with the chronic eating five times a day, when our body is constantly spiking the insulin blood sugar, people don't understand how much havoc that wreaks in our system and how our body eventually is going to give up and quit after a while of this insulin blood sugar system being abused with unnecessary stupid snacks. And when you switch over to the, you know, easy side, the one meal a day of carnivore night and day difference. Yeah. Yeah, that that's a good point because um you know, some people can't do that. I have people that have bariatric surgery. They have like a a sleeve or something like that physically uh shrinks down their stomach, cuts away most of it. Or gastric banding where they sort of has this thing around it and sort of compresses it down. So, physically can't get enough food in there. Uh they might have to eat multiple times a day just because they they can't get enough food that way. Um and they'll still get they'll still get benefits. It's just that um when you are able to eat just sort of one meal a day, like you say, you what you will get a bit of a bump on insulin, which is totally normal when you're eating protein, things like that. In fact, our insulin is really designed for protein rather than carbohydrates. It, you know, perfectly matches that protein rather than carbohydrates, you know, our insulin goes like this or carbohydrates spike and then go down. Um so, it doesn't match that properly, but it does match it for protein. So, that's going to be sort of normal curve. But if you're eating three times a day, four times a day, five times a day, you're sort of getting this bit of a bump and a bit of a bump and a bit of a bump, and it takes hours and hours and hours and hours and hours for that to come down. And if you you do try to eat maximally, you're eating, you know, one huge meal in a go or you know, two if you're trying to put on weight. Mhm. Then and and in sort of a in a in a window, then it it does keep that insulin rise sort of isolated. And then you still have the majority of the day at at you know, very very low levels of insulin. >> Mhm. Which is really good as well. And >> That's another thing I like to remind people of when they say carnivore is dangerous your blood sugar will go too low, your insulin will be way too low, it's dangerous. Protein, even if it's not paired with fat, if it's very lean protein, can spike your blood sugar as much as carbs can when the protein source is very lean, which is why when it's paired with fat, it blunts that insulin spike, which is pure evidence that our body does get the necessary insulin blood sugar spike that it needs, only enough to be able to turn that into muscle, turn that into whatever tissue that it needs. Yeah. And some people, um especially in certain states, you know, type two diabetics are more likely to do this, but just certain people are just like this anyway. Um that higher protein lower fat um that they will trigger more glucagon. And glucagon stimulates more fat burning, which A is or nice from that standpoint, but it also turn turns on gluconeogenesis as well. So, you're going to be producing more blood sugar. So, some people actually have a a a massive response to that. Where they're if they eat a higher protein diet, it will just naturally increase their glucagon, which will increase their blood sugar. And you know, it it may not be all that big of an issue, but it it can be for some and and it's it's misleading for some people to say, "Wow, look at that, the blood sugar goes up." That's for isolated individuals. Certain medical conditions can predispose them to do that. And either way, who cares? You're eating what your body's designed to eat, your body's doing what it's supposed to do. You know, if you work out, your blood sugar will go up to 120, 150, sometimes 200. You know, if you're doing a super high intensity work out, your blood sugar may actually go up that high and that and that just comes right back down. That's that's a just a physiological response to that stress. Um does that mean that's that's bad that you should exercise? You should never exercise? Or or is that just you know, that's just what happens? You know, we we we need to understand that that that's um you know, things can be physiologically normal under different circumstances. You know, potassium, if your potassium doesn't stay in a very tight range, you can die, your heart just stops. Right? And yet and and this is how this is how lethal injection is. You anesthetize someone, you put them to sleep, and then you inject potassium chloride into them. So, you get this high dose potassium and then their heart just stops. And that and that's how lethal injection works. So, when you are exercising, your body can naturally jump your potassium up to that level that your heart would normally stop. Wow. And yet nothing bad is happening. Right? >> Mhm. So, we need to understand that you can you that these ranges are at rest under certain circumstances, basically in a vacuum. You know, there's a lot of things that can affect these things. Um so, you know, that was the other thing. Gluconeogenesis, people don't understand this as well. This is this is this is a tangent, but it's worth it's worth touching on. People talk about, "Oh well, gluconeogenesis is this stress state and it does all this and it it's not." Gluconeogenesis is happening all the time. You make nearly the exact amount of glucose in a carb a carbohydrate state as you do in a ketogenic state. Woah, that is good to know. Yeah, the I've been seeing that around recently. Yeah. So, it's really It's about about 50 to 80 g of glucose that you'll make regardless of what you eat. And so, if you're eating carbs on top of that, it doesn't suppress that, it doesn't stop that from happening. You will still make that 50 to 80 g. It's just on top of the 200, 300 g that you're eating. So, in fact, you're actually getting 250 to 350 g, right? And when you go into ketosis, you're still making that 50 to 50 to 80 g. Right? It actually doesn't change. And one of the reasons that you can see that blood sugar go up when you exercise in a ketogenic state in particular is because when you're exercising, obviously you need more energy. So, if you do a high intensity exercise like you know, Dr. Baker said this when he had a continuous glucose monitor on when he was doing you know, rowing, he was trying to you know, beat the world record. And his blood sugar went from like 80 up to 200. And then went right back down. >> Yeah. And but it was only for that period of time when he was really exerting himself, right? So, the the majority of your glucose comes from something called the the glycerol pathway. There are multiple forms of of of gluconeogenesis. And the main one when you're in deep ketosis after 72 hours is is the glycolysis pathway. So, that comes or the um uh glycerin pathway, sorry. So, this happens with like triglycerides, right? So, you store your fat in triglycerides. So, you have these three uh fatty acids and they're on a glycerol backbone. And then when you you take that off because you need the fat, you break that off and you use that fat for energy or whatever, and then you have this glycerol backbone that can be turned into glycogen and glucose, right? So, as you are using more energy for this exercise, you need to produce more energy from fat, so you're going to break off more triglycerides. You're going to produce more glycerol and that's going to turn into more glucose. So, it's a it's a necessary phenomenon when you're burning fat for energy, you will be producing a certain amount of glucose via the glycerol pathway. And so, if you have an increased demand for energy, you will increase gluconeogenesis just directly because you need more energy, right? And so, yeah, people don't understand that. It's it's not a stress state, you're not like stressing your body out and freaking it out. You're just using energy and your body is is is very very careful and controlled. You need more energy, you'll produce more energy. And and things like that, they don't get that. But yeah, you do make the the same amount of blood sugar glucose through gluconeogenesis regardless of what you eat, carbohydrates or otherwise. That makes perfect sense. Almost as if the human body was designed to be burning our own fat instead of ripping through glycogen stores and relying on little gel packets while running, relying on honey packets, things like that. And I also remember the thing that stuck with me the most was how you mentioned that we can basically blow up to be 600 lb of body fat, but the glycogen stores maxed out at 2,300 calories, which is a clear sign that the body prefers storing fat as an energy stores source over carbs and glucose. Yeah, well, that that's a very good point, you know, I mean, we we normally look yeah, we we often look at that in in like athletes like lean athletes and they're saying, "Hey, how much energy can you store?" And even with like a six like a you know, 150 lb athlete that's only 6% body fat, they can maximally store, like you said, you know, 2,400 calories and uh kilocalories and in their muscles and their liver in glycogen, but just that 6% body fat, so super lean, that's over 35,000 kilocalories of energy, right? So, it's it's a more efficient energy storage form, which is why it's our primary energy storage form, which is why it would be uh very natural and normal for us to be tied into our fat stores when we're using energy, not glycogen. That's a that's a secondary source for certain things. But primarily, we we are burning fat. We use fat. If you have fat and ketones available, even when you have sufficient amount of glucose and glycogen, your body will only use that fat and ketones for most of your tissue. Things like red blood cells that don't have mitochondria, they need glucose, which is why your body makes glucose regardless of what you're eating. Um because you do need that to some in some respects. And you can use glucose, but your body will prioritize and preference ketones if they have them available. It's just when you're eating carbs, it suppresses uh ketogenesis. So, you know, it's um people get things very very mixed up. And um and so, it's good to to get this out there, especially to younger people. Mhm. Not to mention I remember seeing in one of your videos another thing that really stuck with me was how there can only be 4 g of sugar in the bloodstream at all times. Something along those lines. And if it reaches up to five, then you are a diabetic and that is why every time you eat something that contains a lot of sugar, that's why your blood sugar and insulin spike immediately cuz they want to push it towards storage so it doesn't circulate in your bloodstream cuz that's deadly if it stays there, which is what a diabetic would be. >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so you for the for the typical average person, you know, normal blood sugar ranges, you know, be at 80 and 90. That's only 4 g of glucose in your entire bloodstream. And going up to 5 g would you know, be getting up to 120, 130, sort of things. It would be it would be That is insane. Right? And so, and we're eating hundreds of grams of of carbs a day. Right? And and your body's just desperately trying to keep this the hell out of your bloodstream. You know, your blood your your blood sugar goes up to 200, 300. I mean, that's like a medical emergency. You're like, okay, this this there's something bad [clears throat] going to happen you know, pretty quickly if we don't get this down. Uh this is causing serious harm, but that's necessarily what you would do if your body wasn't just desperately trying to keep this stuff down. And it wasn't so efficient at it. And then when it just starts you know, the wheels start coming off because you've just you've just broken down the system for so long that it just it can't keep up with the load anymore, then things start dropping off. You start going to 5 g and 6 g and you know, this is diabetes and this is causes huge problems. So, if one extra gram of glucose is causing all the problems of long-term diabetes, you know, obviously this is a harmful substance. Mhm. And as a friend of mine, Dr. Gary Fettke, said or put it he said that um that one extra gram of glucose is toxic to the body. And your body and we know it's a toxic because your toxic because your body responds to it by trying to >> Like a toxin. of it. Detoxify. Yeah, exactly. And then I mean that's you don't need any WHO paper or scientific review or meta-analysis or anything like that to know what a toxin is. You know it's a toxin if your body's trying to detoxify it. Mhm. >> take it out of your body. You know, we we see this for glucose. Certainly, you do have some demand for glucose. You want some of it, but just one extra gram is a toxic level. Mhm. And this causes all the damage and problems with diabetes. Kill is what kills diabetic right. It damages everything it touches. It damages your blood vessels. So, it damages the blood supply to all of your organs, to your kidneys, to your eyes, to your feet, to your nerves. So, you get, you know, nerve damage, peripheral neuropathies. You get vascular issues. You get heart disease. Number one cause of heart disease is diabetes. Number one cause of kidney failure is high blood sugar diabetes. Number one cause of adult-onset blindness is high blood sugar diabetes. Number one cause of getting your legs amputated is high blood sugar diabetes because it's damaging the blood supply. So, that's just one extra gram of glucose over time causes that. Okay, so what if you're spiking up 100, 200 extra grams? I mean, you get you're going to die is is basically the story there. [laughter] And so, why are we why are we flooding our body and inundating our body with all of this garbage? It It beggars belief. And And people don't realize just because your blood sugar is normal 2 hours after your meal, that doesn't matter because it was up here before and then it goes down. And you're up and you're down and you're up and you're down. It's area under the curve. Like sure, if you're it's just like a line up here and then you're going up from there. Yeah, there's more area under the curve. But you know what? There's still area under the curve with just those spikes. And long before you become diabetic, you are getting profound levels of glycation and oxidative stress and damage to your body and and heart disease and and damaged kidneys and blindness and things like that as well. Yeah, that's why when people come for help to lose weight, these are the lucky ones cuz they just want to lose some weight. They haven't gotten to a point where it's caused some severe health issues and complications, which it can 100% cause down the line. One of the people that I worked with, she had ovarian cysts the size of oranges in her ovaries. They shrunk down to basically like barely noticeable in a month of doing carnivore. And she told me that she worked with three registered dieticians before this and they all put her on a keto-like diet where she was eating, you know, clean whole grains, things like that, lean meats, lots of salad and the ovarian cysts were still there. They shrunk in a month on carnivore. Yeah. Immediately just shows you how the body responds. Yeah. What what you're saying they had grains and stuff? Was that So, was that like a Mediterranean diet or something? >> Yeah, it was keto, but the carbs they were allowed were a complex carbs that the blood takes or the body takes longer to digest. Yeah. Because stupid logic. Yeah, yeah. Well, because you know, you know, the the classical ketogenic diet would be below 20 g of carbs a day or or below 5% of total calories. Um so, yeah, some of them put her on like keto like that with the salads and everything and then some with the complex carb ketos. They just verified they changed it based on what they were taught. Yeah. So, I yeah, because that's the thing, you know, a lot of people will say something, "Well, this is a ketogenic diet." And you actually look at it and you're like, "Nah, it's not ketogenic." You know, I mean it's better. You know, it's a lot better than than other things, but um you know, you you you run out of you you get it you get past 20 g of carbs pretty quickly when you when you eat, you know, buckwheat and pasta and breads and things like that. You don't need much. I mean, on one slice of bread, you're way past it. Like there's like 100 100 g or something like that right there. So, it's um it depending on the bread, but uh yeah, it's pretty cool. >> Another one of the most prevalent issues that I see young girls having today is PCOS and you don't even need to be overweight for this one. So many famous influencers um have developed it. Some of them are Emma Chamberlain, like Alex Earl, very popular girls. You wouldn't expect it from cuz they look healthy. They look fine. And then all of a sudden, "Oh, I just happen to have PCOS." And it's such a common diagnosis now. And when you look it up, it says nothing about how it's related to diet. It just says you can be genetically happen to have it. Um just take these medications for it. Do these things. There's these influencers specifically who have PCOS and they show what they eat to help their PCOS and it's just a bunch of carbs. They start off the day with oatmeal. They start off with waffles that are whole grain. Things of that nature and it's just scary how people are getting these diagnosed with these conditions and they have no idea how diet is basically the cure to basically all of it. Yeah, it it was I actually saw one today actually um about PCOS. It was it was an OB/GYN. And this is this just tells you how little we are actually taught about these sorts of things and how how awful the education is. It's just it's just basically people pushing their own agenda and biases under the label of well, I'm a doctor. I I treat this and therefore I know what I'm talking about. Guarantee you there's no no clinical trial or or or direct human evidence that actually supports anything that they say. Oh, beans and legumes, yeah, definitely eat it. And they said red meat, no, absolutely not. Don't eat it. I mean, like are you out of your mind? I mean, there are clinical trials where people are eating predominantly meat on a ketogenic diet and um like an actual ketogenic diet, like zero carbohydrates, and and showing that this is actually putting us into clinical remission. And I put people exclusively on red meat and water diets and their PCOS is gone within weeks to months. I mean, it's it's wow. Um but I see that all the time. It's I you know, it's even being termed type 4 diabetes now in many medical circles because it's it's a product of of insulin, you know. It's not you know, some people term it insulin resistance of the ovaries. It's not necessarily insulin resistance, but it's certainly in in insulin influenced because [clears throat] women make testosterone first and that's converted into estrogen. And insulin blocks that conversion. And so, if you're eating a lot of carbohydrates, it raises your insulin and that blocks that conversion. So, you get too much testosterone. >> Wow. Yeah, and so you get insulin resistance generally and so your insulin is is up elevated and then and then you have this chronically elevated insulin that is blocking that conversion. Which is very very very common. It's getting more and more common as we speak. It's the number one cause of female-driven infertility worldwide. Mhm. It's pretty wow. Yeah. There's a handful of girls in my community who when they were diagnosed with PCOS, directly they were just put on birth control. That was the doctor's solution. Just go on birth control. That's wild. >> And they were on it for months Five Some of them were on on it for 5 years and when they got off of it, they're desperately trying to gain back their period, which obviously this diet is the only way to do so cuz you're basically eating the precursor of your hormones, which is what your period is reliant on. Mhm. So, it's just evil what they're doing. And like I mentioned before, you don't even have to be overweight to get it. You can just look perfectly healthy, fine and boom, you just have PCOS. Yeah. Yeah, it's very common. I mean, you know, the classic phenotype is you you put on weight and you get facial hair, body hair, inappropriate body hair, things like that. You don't have to. It doesn't have to It doesn't It doesn't look like that. It could be, you know, someone who's you know, you know, very slim, normal person and and then they have this. You know, that's you know, long-term um PCOS that that's that's built up uh over time, but you that doesn't necessarily happen for every single person. It's just a you know, it's just a sign. And so, if you see someone like that that, you know, facial hair, maybe a you know, a bit of extra weight and and um things like that, you might think, "Okay, well, maybe this is PCOS." But The thing that I also Mhm. Yeah, go on. Oh, sorry. The thing that I also noticed is if they're not overweight, it tends to manifest in the skin. So, they'll have a very specific type of acne around the cheeks and it's a PCOS caused um caused acne. And then for men, I noticed that it shows up as ketosis pilaris. They'll get bumps all over their skin. Even for women especially, but if it's not being overweight, then it becomes a skin issue that the body's trying to detox. Yeah, absolutely. And And even just from an insulin point of view, there's so many different skin conditions that are a result of elevated insulin. Skin tags. Skin tags are are just a a very florid sign of of insulin resistance. Um so, insulin's a growth hormone. It causes different tissues to grow, mostly your fat. Um you know, it can stimulate muscle growth as well, but it's predominantly fat. Uh but also it causes skin tags to grow, rectal polyps to grow, uterine fibroids to grow, uh prostates to grow, things like that. So, it's it's very busy. It affects hundreds of different processes and tissues in your body. And we think that it's that it's fine to just have this, you know, up and down and flowing all over the place. You know, it's funny. Insulin is an anabolic steroid and and bodybuilders use it as an anabolic steroid. This is why bodybuilders think that you need to eat carbs in order to gain muscle because oh yeah, we want that insulin bump. It's the other way around. They're getting the cart before the horse because they will get insulin just from eating meat. They don't need to eat the carbohydrates and there's a limit to the amount of insulin your body will produce. It doesn't matter how much carbs you eat. Your body will only create a certain amount of insulin because it's just like, "Absolutely not. This is way too much. This is not safe." The reason they think that is because in the '90s, um this guy Dorian Yates who became the first like mass monster who just became just insanely huge. >> My dad met him. Oh, did he? Yeah, interesting. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Now he's now that he's come back to, you know, carnivore he's saying, you know, "Well, well, what an idiot we were back then looking up to these, you know, golden bodybuilder era people." Yeah. Well, well, the golden well, like the actual golden era bodybuilder like in the '70s and and things like that. Those guys were all about >> Vince Gironda, yeah. >> Raw eggs. And raw eggs and Serge Nubret. That dude ate 6 lb, 6 to 8 lb of horse meat a day and nothing else. He was full carnivore for 3 months leading up to competition. He's one of the greatest bodybuilders ever. And and >> 6 lb. 6 lb. Yeah. Of horse meat specifically. He liked horse. Yeah. And um and he was one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time and and he was sort of just before the steroid era as well. So, you can compare to against Arnold Sch- >> So, Dorian is more in the steroid era. Oh, it's Dorian is definitely in the he's well in the steroid era. Yeah, and he actually he actually uh furthered the you know, he pushed the boundaries of the steroid era by introducing insulin. He figured out that if you inject mass quantities of insulin, that would give a further drive for muscle hypertrophy. You'll gain fat, too, and that's why they're they're gaining all this fat and bulk and stuff like that, but then they keto it out and they slim down, but they still keep a lot of that muscle mass. And [snorts] so, he was one of the first like actual mass monsters because he was able to to figure out this cocktail of mass quantities of steroids and insulin. That was the secret key. But the thing is he had to eat 4 to 500 g of carbs a day so that he wouldn't die of uh diabetic coma with all this insulin. And so, that was why carbs went in. It was it wasn't the other way around. It wasn't you eat carbs you gain muscle. It was you take mass tons of insulin so that you gain muscle. You have to eat carbs so you don't die. Right? That's that's the the key there. And so, insulin is an anabolic steroid. And people will use it as an anabolic steroid. It's actually very dangerous and people have died taking insulin as bodybuilders and they and there's too much and their blood sugar drops. And uh I've I've actually a friend of mine who did strongman competitions and he did this. And he he tried it one time he just passed out in the gym, smacked his head, had to go to the hospital, all these sorts of things. He almost died. And he was just like, "Yeah, I'm never doing that again, you know?" And but people have died doing this. People died doing steroids. You know, people try to glorify steroids and things like that. And um I think to to cover up for their own I mean, people can do anything responsibly. I mean, you know, you know people that do cocaine twice a year and it's like they can handle it. Like, fine. Okay. But the vast majority of people are not like that and they're not and they're and they are hurting themselves. And um you know, some people I see that you know, try to defend and say, "Oh, well, steroids it's not that big of a deal." And it's just like, "Yeah, no, they are. They're illegal and people are dying from it." You know, people are actually really hurting themselves and destroying their lives and their hormones. And insulin is is absolutely an anabolic steroid. And people use it as an anabolic steroid and people have died using it as an anabolic steroid. And so, if you take a bunch of testosterone, people are like, "Oh, but you you just can't do that. That's not safe. That's not responsible. You don't want to get your testosterone above like a physiological state. There's all these problems." And there are. Right? But then we're like, "Yeah, it's fine. Just eat as much crap as you like. Get your insulin up as high as you like." Diabetics, we tell them, "You know, it doesn't matter. It doesn't You don't need to restrict carbs. Eat as many carbs you want. Just make sure you're taking enough insulin." So, as much insulin as you want. It doesn't matter. Right? And and in fact, people have died from that. Not from from low blood sugar, but from just the mass quantities of insulin. There are actually studies that show this. This is why the recommendation is is that like type 1 diabetics or insulin-dependent diabetics, you want your HbA1c to actually stay in the diabetic range between like 6 and 7. They say that you don't want it below 6 because people that because there's one study that basically say, "Hey, let's really tightly control blood sugar and keep it in the the non-diabetic ranges. And so, basically what we'll do is we'll just mass prescribe insulin. You just take as much insulin as you need to make sure your blood sugar stays in a normal level." And they found that those people were had much higher rates of death. Wow. And so, the people will take home from that even in clinicians that usually haven't read the study. They just sort of heard about it peripherally. They say, "Oh, no, no, you don't want to do that. You don't want your blood sugar down because that kills people, right?" Kills people because of the amount of insulin they're giving them. If you're on a ketogenic diet, I mean, I have I've had my mom, you know, she went to her doctor about it and he said, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, your HbA1c is too good. You need to start adding in more carbs or something like that because, you know, you don't want your your blood sugar down in a non-diabetic level." She was she was at a non-diabetic level with no medications. Right? And her doctor was like, "No, no, no, that's bad. It's bad for diabetics to be in a non-diabetic range." It's like, "Do you hear yourself?" It's bad for diabetics to be non-diabetic, you know? My dad lowered his cholesterol with carnivore cuz his cholesterol LDL levels were too high. He went on carnivore, they got lowered. Cuz the doctor asked what he did cuz every time he gets his blood work done now, everything is really good. And so, his doctor was like, "Oh, so what are you doing?" My dad, you know, mentioned carnivore and his overweight doctor said, "I don't know about that. That sounds a little dangerous to me." Even though he saw on paper that it lowered his cholesterol. Like, that's the kind of brainwashing we're dealing with. Yeah, or or I mean, that one's extreme because, you know, you know, you could sort of understand from the mainstream point of view that they really believe that cholesterol is a bad idea. But, you know, your diabetes goes away, blood sugar comes down, insulin comes down, other biomarkers improve, their their CRP is coming down. Um you know, their liver function improving, kidneys are improving. Everything's getting better. They're losing weight and the doctor's like, "Wow, this is great. You know, keep doing what you're doing." And you say, "Yeah, I'm doing carnivore." And they're like, "Ooh, hold on a second. You know, let's check your [laughter] cholesterol." Cholesterol is like, "Oh, no, no, no, cholesterol's up. Oh, just shut it down. Shut it down. Go back to being diabetic and and on all these medications." And it's like, That's really that's really wild. But, you know, for that for for your dad's doctor to say, "Yeah, you're getting all these improvements and your cholesterol's coming down. This is great. How'd you do it?" Oh, no, stop it immediately. Go back to go back to being sick and miserable, you know? Yeah. Hopefully hopefully his doctor sort of gets it eventually that this is this is healthy. This is not killing people. >> No, you the doctor himself had a quite big beer belly. He was like a big gut as a doctor giving nutrition advice to a person who's improved their blood work. Yeah, and and their and their physique and their physiology and their health. I mean, that's what we should be looking at objectively. Is I is my patient getting better? You know, thankfully, there are there's a growing population of doctors that are that are at least have that open-minded you know, outlook. That patients go in there and and they're improving, their blood markers are improving, their health is improving. All these objective markers are improving. And the doctor says, "Okay, wow, what are you doing? How'd you do it?" You know, they're off medications, their blood pressure's coming down. I mean, that's a that's a clear sign that you're getting healthier is if you're coming off your medications. If you're going on more medications, then by definition you're getting sicker because you need more medications to keep your body working. And so, if you're coming off medications, then by definition you are getting healthier. And we do not make people healthier by putting them on medications. We are they are getting sicker and then we're trying to curb and mitigate those ill effects by putting them on a medication. But medication doesn't necessarily make you healthier. It just stops major issues from happening. It sort of it's just a band-aid. It covers it up. And so, we are not making them healthier because they are still getting on more and more medications. They're not eventually coming off medications. It's not like you put someone on an antibiotic and it gets rid of that infection and then they come off the antibiotic and they don't need it. That's not that's not what's happening. They're going on one medication and on another and on another and they're increasing the level. So, when you are able to come off these medications, by definition, you are getting healthier. And so, some doctors are thankfully open-minded enough to say like, "Wow, this is really going well. What did you do?" I went on a carnivore diet. And they just say, "Well, you know what? Whatever. It's working for you. Keep doing it." Others are really interested going like, "Okay, I want to know how you did this because I want to do this in my other patients as well." And that's and I see that a lot, too, but uh unfortunately, it's still you have this mindset of you know, what we were trained in medical school and and residency, it must be right or else we wouldn't have been taught it. You know, and if carnivore diet or nutrition had that much of a role to play, then obviously, we would have been taught it. But that's assuming that you know, they knew about it and that they wanted you to know about it. Mhm. I noticed that a lot in my comments specifically. When I do a before and after where in the before I'm visibly puffier, uh overweight carrying water retention, I don't look better, and then I cut to an after where I look lean and shape. I mentioned how I gained my period while losing weight because in the puffier state, you know, high cortisol, and then I mentioned how I was eating carbs, eating a mixed macronutrients, so carbs and fat and protein activating the Randle cycle. And in the after, pure carnivore, and a lot of the comments, the the feedback was, "The before was better because you were eating carbs or before looked better even though I'm visibly puffier. So, I don't understand this denial and this resistance that people have, how [clears throat] attached they are to carbs cuz they just want their croissant so bad, they want their waffles so bad. It's this, you know, tie that they need to their carbs where where I mentioned how I regained my period, have these other health markers improve, they still talk about no, no, no, you shouldn't include include carbs. They don't say why, they don't they just say, "Oh, it's not good for you to take it out of your diet." They don't know why they're saying these things. They just repeat this advice that they learned from who knows where. Yeah. Well, I think a lot of things just people see what they want to see. And if they if they want to see people, you know, getting worse on a carnivore diet, then that's what they're going to see. And [clears throat] um you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of body shaming uh that goes on in reverse, right? It's not It's not people that are overweight that are getting shamed, it's people that are not overweight that are getting, "Oh, you're too skinny. That looks gross." Mhm. I've heard that a lot and it's just like a that's really a unhealthy attitude and um and a really nasty thing to say to somebody. Um you know, to to say that they they look gross because they, you know, have low body fat. Um and perfectly healthy body fat, you know, like 10% body fat, like not not like shockingly skinny or something like that for a man. And and people are saying, "Oh, that's gross. It's too skinny." What? I mean, did anybody come to you and and say that you look gross because of the way you look like the did you A, you don't do that. That's not the right thing to do. But B, um you know, that's projection. You know, you're you're you're putting your own misgivings and and um and you know, confidence issues on on someone else. You're saying, "Oh, you look gross." And and realistically, it's probably what they would like to look like. And because they don't look like that, they're trying to trying to bring them down. They bring other people down to bring themselves up make them feel better about themselves. Mhm. Which is really unhealthy thing to do, but it's it's apparently okay in that direction. It's okay to tell people that they look gross if they're skinny and they're losing weight. No, that's too much. But you they don't say a thing when they're overweight and maybe it makes them feel better when they see other people overweight that makes them say like, "Well, I'm fine. At least I'm not like that guy, you know." And we all objectively know, no matter what part of the world you live in, a leaner physique will always look better than an overweight physique because overweight instantly looks unattractive because, you know, the the shape and whatever your brain without even being taught anything, your brain just objectively knows this person isn't healthy cuz your brain biologically knows stay away from this person, uh disease, illness, don't procreate with this person. But we go more towards a tapered look because tapered equals, you know, insulin sensitive, healthy, no diabetes, things of that nature. It's not some toxic beauty standard, it's literally biological. This hourglass shaped person is fertile cuz they don't have fat stored around their waist, which means they are insulin sensitive. So, then then I mean, they're healthy, you can procreate with them, which is why there are certain standards that we deem as beautiful, but they're not just beautiful, they are signifiers of health. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And and while it just being skinny doesn't necessarily denote health, it it it sort of used to. And um and and you can I mean, we do spot diagnoses like this all the time in in medicine. You know, spot diagnosing or you just diagnose somebody just by looking at them. There are things that you can do with that. And because our eyes is trained to look for for things that are off. And so, if someone is unhealthy, there are physical signs that manifest and our brain looks at that. And and you're right, you know, it it it sort of just says you're sort of more or less attracted to somebody based on that. You're just like, yeah, that's not that's not someone that, you know, that um I should procreate with or something like that on a on a visceral level. Um and obviously there's a lot you know, more to that, you know, people's personality and things like that. And you can care about someone and be attracted to them in that sense as well and and be physically attracted to them just because you're you're you you like them as a person. So, I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about pure biological biomechanics. Right? That your brain is tuned to look for certain signs. I mean, this is why plastic surgeons, I mean, there there's these different proportions uh to the face. And you can say, "Okay, you know, if if you know, the sort of the width of the nose to the eyes and this and the mouth and the this all all these sorts of things the the the distance from the bottom of the nose to the top of the lip." These all these all matter and your your eye picks these things up and just say attractive or not. Right? And so, plastic surgeons, there was a there was actually um sort of uh sort of, you know, family friend of um some friends of mine. Uh he was a he was a plastic surgeon. He was a real high-end plastic surgeon. He'd go around like Aspen and Vail to these like, you know, bars and things like that that these sort of like rich wives would go to. And he And he'd look at someone and say like, you know, how I could sort of just tweak this around and they could give them a stunning look. And um especially people that maybe had a plain sort of appearance and he'd just walk up to them and say, "I can make you beautiful." Like that. That was his That was his sales pitch. "I can make you beautiful." And that's how he did it. He'd just change these little proportions around and they'd just come out looking stunning. And and we we know this. There's a mathematical concept that goes around that goes around this. And so, our eyes pick these things up. And so, if your your face is sort of puffy and it's changing those proportions, your body's your brain's going to pick that up and it's just going to it's not going to be as as appealing at a at a root level. And and you know, same with the body. You you're you're trying to pick up signs of health like you said. Mhm. And while you can be skinny and be unhealthy and you can be overweight and be unhealthy, I mean, there are just these, you know, instincts our body just says, "Yeah, that's a little off." And we don't like >> Not to mention that during development as a child, the nutrients that you get growing up while in the womb literally determine how close your face will be to a golden ratio because the closer it is to a golden ratio, it signifies having a healthier immune system. The more symmetrical your face is, the healthier your immune system is. So, it's not just vanity, some kind of toxic we shouldn't live up to these beauty standards. It's literally if you receive vitamins A, K, D, taurine, all these things that are in meat, your face will be closer to that model-esque proportions, which is why in the countries that have higher meat consumptions, that's where more models come from cuz they have the bone structure required for modeling, the beautiful bone structure because they have the diet that gave them the bone structure, which is animal-based. Yeah, like you know, you look at like Brazil and things like that, they eat a lot of meat. And then they go on the sun. They get a lot of vitamin D from the sun and that helps with facial development, bone development, jaw development. Um it also changes us during puberty. It's a it's a sex steroid. It's a it's a hormone as well. And uh for men, it broadens out the shoulders, narrows the the hip hips and waist. So, it gives that the classic V-shape bodybuilder appearance. And for women, it narrows the waist and broadens the hips. You get that classic hourglass figure. Which is probably why you get all these bikini models coming out of Brazil, right? They're eating a lot of meat and they're out in the sun. And so, they're getting getting all those nutrients. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a very good point. Not to mention we we probably already know these things, which is why uh we tend to wear shoulder pads for men. We put them in the suits cuz we know broader shoulders means, you know, broader bone growth, which you only get from the proper nutrients. And then for women, corsets and then face trainers. So, all these things we're basically trying to replicate what the proper human diet would do for us already. Yeah, proper development. Yeah, exactly. And and which denotes health. And that's why we we we look at that as uh you know, that golden ratio as healthy because your your body will naturally do that as long as you're developing properly, you know, in the womb and out as well. Um yeah, absolutely. A very good point. Um I was actually going to say um you you you transition from sort of a a normal standard diet to carnivore and you saw the you saw, you know, my videos, other people's videos. Um but how it but your dad came on this. How did he come on this? And and why did he switch to that? And why did he, you know, tell you to to to go on that as well? He is really interested in biohacking. He was That's what he originally started off with, podcasts and things about the diet. And he had a back pain, chronic back pain of like 10 years. It only went away on carnivore. If he ever cheats on the diet, if he ever goes out, eats some food, next day he wakes up, back pain is there again. Also, he was, you know, interested in growing his muscles and then the appeal of carnivore, it's like you're basically just eating everything to grow muscles. And when he first told me, I was like, "Dad, that's insane. Like you're not even going to eat a salad? Like no greens at all?" And then the more I listened and listened, I'm like, "Wow, this makes sense." And that's why it just shocks me when people have pushback towards the diet because when you just like listen to all this information, it should just logically make sense. Like yeah, this is what a proper human diet should look like. This is what, you know, our uh bone isotope testing say. This is what ancestry says. This just It all makes sense. So, it's just Yeah, how do you not come onto this diet sooner? I think the higher your IQ is, the sooner you come onto carnivore as soon as you start listening to videos about it. Yeah. Well, it certainly does make And if you keep an open mind, definitely. You know, because that the evidence is there. And you know, people say I I hear the accusation that, you know, people that do carnivore promote carnivore ketogenic diets, they're very dogmatic and they're very close-minded. No. Like we were the ones who changed our minds. We're the ones who had an open enough mind to look at the data and reevaluate the situation and say, "Yeah, actually this is all wrong." Uh we also we tried veganism for 2 years at one point, too. >> 2 years? Oh gosh, I'm so sorry. >> years, unfortunately, but I was cheating a lot, thankfully. Thank god. Because whatever my dad did, I ended up doing as well. So we just do everything together. So this was I I was around 17, 18, not the best. I was still growing. So probably would have been best to avoid. But at school if there was like taco Tuesday I would get the tacos with the ground beef. Yeah, yeah. So I was still having my cheats. But we so yeah, we were doing unfortunately some Beyond Burgers and Patties which now they're going bankrupt cuz they're getting sued for giving people cancer. No. And then they're making those Netflix documentaries about the twins that eat the different diets and one of the twins is healthier cuz they're vegan. Like we all know they're funded by Beyond Burger now. It is. Yeah. I mean they gave a million dollars for that documentary I think. And yeah, and it's all it's all funded by that. And that that was a really garbage study done by I think it was Dr. Gardner from Stanford. And he's he's on the payroll for Beyond Burger and all sorts of things. Impossible, whatever, you know, those fake meat things. And you know, high ties to your financial ties to these. And he's and he's you know, vegan activist basically. And has made you know, similar you know, comments you know, suggesting that he's an activist sort of thing. And Yeah, and then they just yeah, it's it's it's nonsensical. You put people on a more a better sort of design, cleaner sort of approach, but it it's vegan, it's more plant-based. And you and you put them on Oh, and now we're adding meat, but yeah, we're adding a whole bunch of other garbage as well. And it's it's extremely misleading. And that's Yeah, that's Gardner's MO and that's Willett's MO at at Harvard as well. I mean, you know, Dr. Willett he does something called the Nurses' Health Cohort. And so the Nurses' Study. And people Oh, the Nurses' Study. You know, this is this is what the vegans just pump all the time. Oh, and then they you know, you know, diet confirmed, you know, every you know, two to four years and blah blah blah. And they'll they'll do say it really quickly. So they confirm the diet. Is this is this that confirmed diet? No, it's not. I mean, you you can't you're not tracking every single meal that this person has. What they're doing is they're giving them a food frequency questionnaire. They give them a questionnaire to ask them try to remember everything you've eaten in the past two years or four years. So they said in some of these studies they they validate the diet every two to four years. Insane. How are you supposed to do that? You and I are carnivores. We've eaten meat for the last however long. Can you remember the exact proportions of what and what meats you've eaten over the last month for every single meal every single Impossible. It's not possible. And we at least know it's meat. Right? It's eggs every now and then. Right? And I'm pretty sure they categorize lasagna under red meat category. And pizza? And fast food? You know, a McDonald's Big Mac is basically vegan. It's a it's it's hyper vegetarian. If you think about it as a proportion of calories, Mhm. the meat is probably less than 10% of calories. I don't know the exact numbers, but I would estimate about 10% or less. Because you got [snorts] this bun, it's just three buns, right? And you just got this tiny little like 2 oz meat patty in there, right? Or however much it is. Bunch of sugary sauces with bunch of seed oils and and soybean oils. Then you've got, you know, potatoes deep fried in in seed oils and trans fats. Then you've got a giant drink with a whole bunch of sugar and garbage in there. If you look at the proportion of calories, it's probably less than 10%. That The definition of a hypercarnivore is any animal like a polar bear that or shark that eats over 70% calories from meat. So McDonald's and the Western diet generally is a hyper vegetarian diet. Mhm. So you say oh, you eat all this junk food. That's because of all that fatty meat. That's a hyper vegetarian diet. There's almost no meat in it. It is actually super lean. So there's no fatty meat involved. But you just take out that that little tiny patty. That's a vegan meal. Right? And so you know, they but they say that that's meat. Right? So if you eat McDonald's, that's meat. Even though the vast minority of calories come from meat. So that's fraud. It's just fraud. These guys are all fraud. And they they take these things that that can never be accurate because you're asking them to tell you how what they ate every four years. They're obviously not going to remember. They're probably going to lie. And and then they manipulate that into being whatever the hell they want it to be. And then they say that that anything that contains meat even if it's hyper vegetarian is defined as meat and and therefore it's bad. Or and then it shows up as being bad because it's you know, it's garbage junk food. So the Nurses' Study, this is in the published peer-reviewed literature. People can look this up. People have taken this and analyzed the results of the Nurses' Cohort Study. You know, it's up all epidemiology. Oh, we saw this correlation, whatever, with this flawed garbage design study and and fraudulent interpretation of it. And they they compared it to randomized controlled trials in humans. And say, "Okay, does this line up?" It only lined up about 10 to 15% of the time. Wow. So and this guy heads a department at Harvard. Right? I bet you that he doesn't pass his students if they only get 10% of the questions right. Right? That is true. And his entire body of work throughout his career has only amounted to 10 to 15% correct. Right? This is just propaganda. It's just complete garbage. You're not going to Yeah, you're going to you're you're going to fail out of out of elementary school getting 10 to 15% of things right. And this guy's running departments at Harvard and having multi-million dollar grants because with a with only a 10% 15% rate of being correct. It's it's just ridiculous. Carnivore was like my wake-up call that because usually as a as a kid you tend to trust the fact that adults know what they're talking about. Whatever these trusted people, trusted individuals, certified people say must be true. This was like my first rude awakening that wait, actually I've been lied to my whole entire life about these things. And then you look into the reasons as to why they're doing the lying, what the real agenda behind it is, what the real purpose is and it's just this rabbit hole you fall down and you just basically have to ensure that everything that you eat everything that you do, you put the research into it yourself instead of just by blindly trusting individuals. Also, um when you mentioned about the whole veganism activism thing, that's another thing that really pisses me off that people say how it's it's so much better for the planet. One cow can feed a person for four years. That's just one life that had to be taken. But as a vegan, a bunch of little creatures had to die for a little kale bowl salad, bunch of little squirrels, snakes, mice, birds. So how do they not also understand that the the lives that they're taking as a vegan is much more detrimental than what you would take as a carnivore. And every living animal has to live off of another living animal. There is no life without death. And it's just a part of nature. So they use the emotional appeal when it applies to younger people and they like to use that emotional vulnerability as look at these lives, innocent lives you're taking. Make them watch these videos of factory farmed animals and you know, poorly raised animals, the worst of the worst cases and try to brainwash them into this is what eating meat is like, you know, eat plants and look at how cute these flowers look. Just eat the flowers instead. Even though there's still a lot of you know, death behind the veganism foods as well. Yeah, definitely. And you know, like your point, I mean, all animals are are heterotrophs meaning that they have to eat something else for the be it plants or animals or microorganisms. They have to eat something else. Something else has to die for all animals to live. And so that's you know, it's sad, but it is reality. And we have we live in reality and we have to stay there. You know, reality's going to win every time. It doesn't matter how we feel about it. Unfortunately, I mean, just just in the same way that vegans are lied to and misinformed about the health benefits of a vegan diet or a plant-based diet. They're also lied to and misinformed about the the benefits of plants growing plants and eating plants on the environment as well as the reduction in lives cost Mhm. from eating a plant-based diet. And I I've had debates with with some of them and and they are just in when you when you point this stuff out and you talk to these studies that they are just in flat denial on some of these. They're like, "No, that can't be. No, no, no, that's not right." I'm like, >> [laughter] >> "Here is the study." They're they're must be something wrong with it. They they just cannot get their head around it because especially the ones that that do it for animal rights activist point of view, it it is their whole identity is wrapped around I don't eat meat because it saves animals. Mhm. Even if it costs my health, even if it costs the environment, I'm not going to do this because I don't want to hurt animals. And when you show them hard evidence that this is hurting more animals Mhm. and destroying the environment in which the animals live and therefore having the secondary, tertiary knock-on effect killing even more animals. I mean, we're killing one quadrillion insects a year with the bug sprays that we're we have on you know, on crops, these insecticides. That one quadrillion. And just in America. And that is the entire basis of the food chain all the way up, you know, Woah. How many hundreds of millions, billions of birds don't exist because they didn't have enough food in the first place, right? So, there's all that potential harm as well. And those poisons get into the water, they get they destroy the waterways, they destroy the fish, they um uh they poison the birds because now the birds are going after the insects and they're getting poisoned as well. Uh it's estimated almost 700 million birds are poisoned in America every year, just America, just from the pesticides and insecticides sprayed. And um 70 million of those, 10% estimated at least are dying. And they're saying it's probably a lot more, but it's really hard to to calculate all the knock-on effects. And so the the University of um Sydney and New or University of New South Wales, apologies. Um they published a paper, I believe in like 2010, 2011 where they actually calculated out a lot of this stuff. And they calculated that just sentient animals, not including insects, that eating a well 1 lb of plant-based protein versus animal-based protein, that you have to kill 25 times the amount of sentient animals to grow 1 lb of plant-based protein versus animal-based protein. Wow. >> And yeah, and and especially when you're talking about, you know, you know, sheep and cows and things like that, it's it's a very very less a lot less you know, calorie to death ratio. You know, the the least death to calorie ratio comes from like grass-fed bison and grass-fed beef. And it's second and follow up by grain grain-fed, you know, bison and beef, things like that. And there's nowhere on the top 10 or anything like that, any sort of plant. Right? So, it actually is a high-death diet, the vegan diet. But there's a lot of people that are doing it to bring down their death count. And it's really sad, you know, because these these people have very good intentions. And they want the best for themselves, they want the best for the planet, they want the best for animals. And they're compassionate and they care. And people have co-opted that care and compassion and and used it for their own means and their own ideological ends or their own uh profit agenda. Because the is you know, people joke, you know, you know, uh Cass is versions like, "Oh, what is it? Big broccoli is saying this?" And then yeah. Yeah, actually, you know, because you know, the the the produce manufacturing is is a multi-multi-multi-billion-dollar-a-year enterprise. And they receive a ton of money of government spending, far more than the cattle industry does, far orders of magnitude more. And the thing is though is that the processed food industry is a plant-based industry. And they are a multi-trillion-dollar industry. So, yeah, big plant is a thing. And um and they are the ones funding this. They're the ones paying for a lot of Willett's and Gardner's research. Um Seventh-day Adventist Church funds a lot of this stuff. They're also the peer reviewers and they're religiously anti-meat, so they don't let things into the journal articles unless it goes along with what they want. Um in some certain cases, in certain journals that they have control over. And so there's a lot of there's a lot of influence, you know, they they spend more money on uh nutritional research than almost any other entity. You know, they spend um it's estimated that that um the processed food industry as a whole spends far more on nutritional research than the NIH, the National Institutes of Health, who spends like $2 billion a year on nutritional research. But Coca-Cola alone in 2015 spent $119 million on nutritional research. You know, and and just guess what those results were. They had one study that that concluded is why you never trust conclusions, that feeding mice Coca-Cola helps them lose weight. You know, compared to water. Like, oh, go away. Like, just >> [laughter] >> stop it. You know, that's like the glyphosate people saying, you know, they did this study back in the early '90s saying, "Oh, look at this, we gave mice glyphosate for 3 months and they had no ill effects. Great." Um so, let's put this in the food supply for people for their entire lives, not just 3 months. Right? >> And 70% of packaged foods packaged, like you said, cuz they're all all packaged food, all packaged junk processed food, is just a derivative of plants. Yeah. And 70% of those things on the shelf, including pasta, rice, all contain glyphosate, arsenic, things of that nature, all contaminated with it. To grow those potato chips, to grow those corn chips, corn tortillas, whatever processed snack it is. Mhm. Yeah, well, and and candy, right? There was um there was something that came out recently that was pretty wild. I I did a you know, shared it on my story. But it this lady was talking about the level of arsenic that were in like Jolly Ranchers. It was like to to to the be like a safe level of you know, below the like the harmful level of arsenic, you could eat two Jolly Ranchers per year. Wow. >> Two Jolly Ranchers per year exceeded your um arsenic level, right? That is insane. >> have bags of this stuff. Right? It's not just Jolly Ranchers, there was there was tons of other ones that she talked about. Right? There's just tons of candies and things like that have arsenic in them. You know, like, how are we how are we saying that that's acceptable and we're giving this stuff to kids? The you know, arsenic is a neurotoxin, it's extremely harmful and toxic to the body, especially during development. You're always at at um uh a more vulnerable place when you are uh developed. And no wonder autism rates. Well, yeah, I mean, you have to you have to wonder, right? You have to wonder what you know, we have these increased rates of mental health disorders, neurodevelopmental issues, um you know, PCOS, all these different chronic diseases are and neuro neurological issues, neurodevelopmental issues, uh developmental issues generally are becoming more and more prevalent. And so, you have to wonder what is causing that. It's obviously something environmental, it's not genetic, we're not supposed to have these neurological issues, we're not supposed to have PCOS. If we were supposed to have PCOS, we wouldn't be here because it's it it precludes fertility and pregnancy, so obviously that's not a natural state for us to not to to be able to get pregnant and have kids. So, obviously something's happening and if we don't pay attention, we are going to we are going to just keep going down this in in this direction, which we're getting worse and worse and worse. And it's already at critical mass. Already. So, if we don't get ahead of this, we are are going to have a complete collapse in our health and our health systems. And as we get sicker, the companies that are also responsible for pushing out the foods that cause the illness, while also selling us the medication to fix the illness, just keep getting richer. Mhm. Yeah, and and that's that's really is the I have a whole lecture on YouTube called the you know, the real health care crisis, where I talk about this and how it's really the growing it's not one system versus another system. We can all debate and discuss that and the merits and demerits of certain systems. Uh if you really want to to break it down, read Thomas Sowell's Applied Economics, uh Thinking Past Phase One. And uh there's a chapter on on health care and it it just breaks it down. So, you know, I I would definitely agree with that and you can people can go and read that and see what they think. Regardless of that, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the system is. When we're spending tens, literally tens of trillions of dollars a year treating the chronic disease issues and that has basically doubled in the last 15 years, that is unsustainable. No system on Earth is ever going to is ever going to work. So, it doesn't matter if you want a free market system, you want a communist hellhole system, it doesn't matter. It all of them will collapse. And any any system that people, you know, can can dream up out of their imagination will all get buried under the weight of growing chronic disease. And this is making certain individuals and institutions insane amounts of money, insanely wealthy, because there's you're talking trillions of dollars coming into this, right? It's not just the pharmaceutical industry, it's the entire medical establishment. Harvard actually does some good research every now and then, it's just not by Willett. Um there's a study uh published out of Harvard from their School of Public Health. They looked at five chronic diseases. COPD, you know, emphysema, things like that from smoking. Diabetes, type one and type two, cardiovascular disease, mental health disorders, and cancer. Okay, so just those five. So, I'm not even talking about autoimmune diseases um or or you know, um uh neurodegenerative process like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, things like that. Um you know, autoimmunity, you know, the top one and two grossing drugs on planet Earth last year uh and the year before were autoimmune drugs, even far more than Ozempic. Ozempic was $4.5 billion in sales in 2024. Uh Humira was $6.5 billion. Wow. Another autoimmune drug, I can't remember what it was, but it was $24 billion. Wow. So, this big money and it's not even including that. Right? So, just those five, right? COPD, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, mental health. Just those five. They looked at the direct and indirect costs worldwide for those for those five diseases. And in 2010, uh 10, we had spent over 8 trillion with a T, trillion dollars just reading those five, right? And by 2030, they're expecting that to be up up up past 14 trillion dollars, right? So, it's not Insane. It's clearly clearly a business that's being run. >> Yeah, and >> That's being swept under the rug. Yeah, and it gets worse than that, too, because they looked at the lost opportunity costs. So, people that are on disability, they're sick, they're taking more leave, they're not able to just do their job, right? >> Mhm. So, just not having workers in the workforce, right? Because they're sick and they're having these illnesses, right? That that or early retirement, whatever. Um going on disability. That accounted for between 2010 2030, that's expected to cost the world economy about 23 trillion dollars. Wow. And I I believe it Watch the video to get the the hard numbers, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is. And then the biggest one was the um the early deaths. So, loss of human capital by early death. So, so people have a heart attack and die at 45, and they don't have another 20 30 years of productivity. And what that takes out of the economy in that market, and their their you know, that skilled work and their education and all these sorts of things and what that that does and takes away. That in 2010, that cost the world about 22 trillion dollars. Just for those five. And then by 2030, it's expected to go up to 43 trillion dollars per year in in lost sort of economic power uh from early deaths, right? So, realistically, we're losing roughly 60 trillion dollars out of the economy just by being sick and dying early and paying for these medical expenses. And for those people to make that 14 trillion dollars a year, we have to cause 45 50 trillion dollars a year in human suffering and death, right? >> Mhm. So, all of those dollar signs, we talk about those in in trillions of dollars, it's just it's just an insane amount of money to the point that it just it's just unfathomable, right? All that money just to stray people away from the proper human diet and get them hooked on Yeah. anything but meat. And make them pay that 14 trillion dollars a year so that those people can make 14 trillion dollars a year. They're happy for you to suffer and die and lose 40 50 trillion dollars a year on top of that just so they can make their 14 trillion dollars a year. Imagine if we got rid of that. And all that went away and that 40 50 60 trillion dollars a year actually just went back in the economy going in directions that were actually beneficial for humankind. You know, we we'd have we'd have space stations and colonies on freaking moons of Jupiter by now, [laughter] you know? It's just ridiculous. It we're holding back human innovation and development dramatically just by sickening people, charging them tens of trillions of dollars to make them sick, and then tens of trillions of dollars to treat those illnesses. And so, now they're sick and they're not producing, they're not able to work, they're not able to be as creative and productive. And they have to use what little money that they have to go and pay for this crap just to stay somewhat together so they don't actually just die and uh and can't take care of their kids. It is absolutely insane. I think it is probably the major thing that is affecting the planet right now. Look at it that scale, it's hard to imagine something that that's more impactful than that. Yeah, I've never thought about it in that way. That's Those are some insane numbers, and that makes a lot of sense. All the people that genetically were born being very intelligent, very capable are now dumbed down, and their skills are now a fraction of what it should be just cuz they're not getting the proper fuel, proper nutrition to function at perfect optimal levels. Yeah. Yeah, and then like you said, thinking about how everyone would be functioning if everyone ate this way, they'd just be at their best all the time. That'd be utopia. Yeah, and not and not wasting all their money buying garbage and then having to get medications to fix that garbage and surgeries and stents and all these sort of other sorts of things. That's a really cool goal to look towards now, not just, you know, lose weight, etc., but you know, as a society. Yeah. >> How much it can improve. Yeah, well, I think I think that's that's the single greatest thing you could do to improve society is is improve people's health like that. It's very simple. Um may not be easy for everybody because they they all, you know, I don't want to drop this and that, but it is simple. It is very straightforward. It's just, you know, you eat this, you don't eat any of that, and your body gets better, you know? And um and and it even just moving in that direction, I think would would help dramatically because when as we started moving away from that direction with the dietary recommendations in the '70s and '80s, m- people didn't go 100% onto the the nutritional recommendations, thank God, but they moved in that direction, and we reduced red meat by 33%, reduced fat cholesterol intake by about the same 33%, and increased, you know, fructose and sugar, um especially in forms of high fructose corn syrup by by three and a half times, increased seed oils by three and a half times, increased fruits and vegetables by 30 40% respectively. And just by doing that, just moving in that direction, we've become the fattest and sickest we've ever been in human history, and just in the last 15 years, we've nearly doubled what we have to spend treating chronic those just those five chronic diseases. You could probably extrapolate that out to the rest of the chronic diseases um as far as the increased burden of of care and cost, and then of course lost opportunity costs and the early deaths are are the biggest part of that equation. And so, you you cannot say that that was a good thing. That making that change was a good thing. Now, even just moving back to what we're eating in the '70s would made made an enormous difference. You know, even if people didn't go all full carnivore, I I mean, I would would love it if they did. Um and and yes, we can sustain 8 billion people on a carnivore diet 100%. Mhm. Um watch my interview with with Dr. Peter Ballerstedt uh if people are interested in in um seeing the math on that one. It's very clear. Um >> I'm pretty sure there were many more farms back then, family-owned farms. A milkman was normal, you know, milkman delivery in a glass bottle to your house, and now we just drink Monster Energy drinks. Yeah, exactly. And that's good. Oh, it has taurine, though. So, that's good, you know? >> have just had gotten them from a steak. Yeah, exactly. Oh, and I remembered in one of your videos, you also mentioned that autism is basically a taurine deficiency in development and in pregnancy. Oh, uh carnitine. Yeah, there's a there's a study on carnitine. Yeah, but you know, similar. I mean, it's it's a it's a it's only available from from meat. Um but uh and and and the same thing, too, that we make carnitine, we also make taurine, but people don't people just look at that and say, "Oh, it's not on the essential list, therefore ignore it." Mhm. Well, what if you don't make enough, you know, [snorts] to meet your demands? And what if you're doing something like in the case of taurine that will make it so that you actually lose a lot of that taurine because we make taurine in our liver, and that gets expelled in our bile, and then we reabsorb that when we eat fat. But if you eat fiber, fiber binds to bile and eliminates that out of your stool, so you never reabsorb it. And it actually takes the the taurine out with it. And actually estrogen and other sorts of things, too. You want You want to get rid of This is a way your body's getting rid of excess estrogen. This is a recycling process. There's a lot of things that come out in your bile, and then your body reuptakes it and digests it and absorbs it and does different things to it. It's a whole process here. Um if your body didn't want the estrogen, it would get rid of the estrogen. You don't need fiber to then get rid of the estrogen. You're getting rid of the taurine, too. And so, you can get taurine deficiencies. And fibromyalgia is a is a pain disorder, and that's um and that's strongly associated with taurine deficiencies. And but taurine's a non-essential amino. I mean, we we make it, right? And so, how can people be deficient? Well, that's one way where you make medications that lower cholesterol by binding bile and eliminate. This is how fiber lowers lowers cholesterol because it binds to bile and eliminates it out, so you need to use more cholesterol to make more bile. By lowering cholesterol. And you have medications that bind to bile and eliminate out, and you lose your taurine, and you lose estrogen and things like that as well. So, you know, the has these knock-on effects. We don't even realize it, but with the the carnitine, same thing. It's the it's a considered a non-essential amino acid, and yeah, up to 70% of you know, only about 70% of people actually make enough carnitine to meet demands on on a normal basis. You know, maybe you're you're exercising, you're doing sorts of things, maybe you have a higher demand. But only about 70% of people make enough carnitine. And um so, that means about 30% nearly 1/3 of planet Earth don't make enough or maybe don't make any at all, right? >> Mhm. And so, carnitine is essential for mitochondrial function and energy production, and if your mitochondria aren't functioning, you cannot develop your neurons a- appropriately. You will get misdevelopment of your neurons. And so, Texas A&M University Texas A&M actually showed that people with carnitine deficiencies can actually develop a specific kind of autism Wow. that that misdevelopment of these neurons based on mitochondrial damage from a lack of carnitine. And so, they're finding that vegans and vegetarians have much higher rates of children with autism because one in three chance that someone's going to have a deficiency a natural deficiency in carnitine and if you're not eating meat which is the only nutritional source of carnitine you know to speak of then you're you may be deficient so even if you're like if you're vegan or you and you're being your kid a vegan diet which is by people having their kids taken away by feeding their kids a vegan diet how can that be a good diet if you're actually killing kids kids can have actually died on vegan diets and or or had you know low bone density and and shorter stature and um and other sort of developmental issues and things like that and um and either way they're not meeting their potential even though they grew up healthy did they grow up to be as healthy as they could have been did they grow up to be as tall and as smart and as and as physiologically functional as they would have otherwise because if not you have you have caused damage to them that's child abuse and so you know you have to think about that well my kids fine they're meeting their markers are they as good as they could be are they as good as they should be if the answer is no then you have damaged them and that's child abuse and some of these kids die I mean there there are kids that are dying breastfeeding on parents that are vegan there are in the case reports in 1996 there was a case report of a little girl she was 6 months old she had a massive brain atrophy it looked like an 80-year-old also right and that was because she had a this massive B12 deficiency breastfeeding she was breastfed her mom was so and her parents were vegetarian her mom was so B12 deficient that she just could not pass a you know a sufficient amount of B12 onto her kid her brain could not develop properly they gave her daily B12 for 5 months and it it swelled up like 30 40% or probably more than that it was massive difference and um and it started you know developing you know physically neurologically much better as well um but you know going back to the carnitine thing you have vegans and vegetarians that that that don't have carnitine in their diet and if their kid has this this inability to make a sufficient amount of carnitine then their brain won't be able to develop properly and even if they don't develop autism can you say that their brain is as developed as it would have been with enough carnitine you can't and so I think that that is you know from a from a child activist point of view it it's really not acceptable to put a kid on a on a vegan or vegetarian >> especially school lunches after that basically every single school lunch for every kid ever whether it's packed or whether it's bought in school it's just completely processed packaged I mean even I myself every single lunch because everyone else was eating it just microwaved food microwaved plastic white castle burgers and that was it and then a little fruit snack some fruit gummies and now when you think of it it's just so hard to think about and what I've noticed is with all of these health conditions diseases basically any kind of ailment anyone on earth is dealing with it's always tied back to a nutritional deficiency or an issue that's a food source that is causing inflammation is causing to the body it's always diet related I think so and I think that the vast majority of of the chronic diseases we face are nutritionally related that you're either eating something inappropriate and you're exposing yourself to harmful chemicals toxins plant toxins or the chemicals that are sprayed on plants um atrazines the glyphosates and all the other garbage that's out there that's causing harm and you know some of these things you know we we spray them on plants in order to kill animals you know and then we say yeah no it's fine just eat it it's okay no and it ends in side anything that ends in side means death homicide suicide pesticide and we're just eating them yeah exactly yeah and and and we don't think anything of it you know we we spray things on plants in order to kill animals from eating our plants and then we go and eat those plants you know you have to think that maybe that's probably not the best idea and the best choice even when they're labeled organic I saw one of these studies it says that they took organic strawberries grinded them up and then sprayed them over a new crop of strawberries and it still worked as a pesticide because they were using organic pesticide so it's still a pesticide but it's just a plant-based one to use it as a loophole to get around the organic word yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of fraud there I mean I just call it what it is but you know I spoke to I spoke to someone who who manages um a like a like one of those organic markets it's called PCC which is like Pacific Coast Co-op whatever and um it's up here in Washington state and it's very very granola very hippie sort of sort of place but you know they've got they've got some good things and I was talking to one of them and and there's all these different organic products and they're like it's it's all you know it has to have this this certain combination of 100% certified organic with this and this and this has to have like all these different labels and if it doesn't have all those different things it's not um they were saying that you can just slap an organic sticker on something because it's an or it's an organic product it it is alive it's a living thing that's a plant that's a right and so you can um you so that that farmers they understand that about 15 10 15% of of people are willing to pay $3 extra a pound for lettuce that has an organic sticker on it right and so they just take 10 15% of their crop stick an organic sticker on it and it comes from the same field and they put it on this way and they put it on that way that is insane and so yes we have all those labels that say 100% certified this and that and the other and other and and even then if you use organic pesticides and organic or was it an organic this organic that it's still legal so there's really no avoiding this stuff and um you know the glyphosate I mean they had like they took like loaves of bread and they found they had like 6,000 times the amount of acceptable safe glyphosate you know they they tried to say that well the glyphosate just breaks down really quickly you spray it on and it just goes away you know all these pesticides they just go away well how's it so so are you spraying pesticides every single day because the bugs come back the next day right you know it's not like you spray it once and then oh that's it they'll just never come back um no it stays on there right and they're talking about like you know you know Roundup and glyphosate you know I've I've had Roundup you know and used it in at you know garden and things like that as a weed killer and um and I read on this thing it says you cannot plant you know plants in this area for different kinds of plants you can't plant it for 6 weeks these types of plants you can't plant for 3 months and these types of like flowering plants and things like that you can't plant it for a full year 12 months won't grow right so tell me again how a glyphosate just breaks down in an afternoon and then you just ingest that in a toast of bread yeah at 6,000 times the acceptable limit um you know going back to that study that that I was in Monsanto or whatever did to get this in the food supply in the first place back in the early 90s they did an animal study it just lasted 3 months they said look they didn't they didn't die in 3 months therefore this is fine but this is in the food supply for people's entire lives you know not just 3 months and so and mice live longer than 3 months right so what about throughout the course of their entire life so that was just one animal study it wasn't it wasn't reproduced and validated right and it shouldn't have been done by them it should have been done by an independent lab and um and actually looked at looked at this honestly someone went and reproduced this years later I forget the gentleman's name but he looked at this and did the same exact study design but that he just extended it for the entire course of the animals' lives didn't just stop it at 3 months and he found that about 4 months the wheels started falling off they started getting very sick they started developing all these soft tissue tumors and and they all just were were getting sick and dying and so one of the big frauds in the scientific literature is that they will manipulate data to look how they want especially if it's pushing a product and so they wanted glyphosate to say this is safe and so at 3 months yeah they didn't show any sign of disease or harm great at 4 months they did so sometimes they'll they'll make retrospective endpoints and so they'll say yeah we we started seeing it's like okay everything's fine everything's fine whoop everything's not fine let's go back to when it was fine and we'll say yeah that's when we stopped the study right all the time and um or maybe they'll do like a preliminary study sort of see where it is and then they go oh yeah now we're doing this study design but they design it in a way that they know it's going to going to show what they want it to and I mean to the point that the editor-in-chief New England Journal of Medicine and editor of the um 15-year editor of The Lancet two top medical journals in the world they've both publicly independently come out and said that at least half of the medical literature is completely garbage it's completely corrupt and it's complete and I said at least half and probably a lot more and so you just you can't trust this stuff especially when it's industry funded and then people get confused as to why they develop cancer develop these very harsh illnesses when the foods that they're consuming they think oh but you know, it's no big deal if it has a little bit of this and you know, I can get away with a little bit of this." And at some point, you can't get away with it anymore. At some point, these illnesses manifest sooner than than others. So, it's just important to bring to people's awareness how detrimental it is cuz that's the issue that I noticed the most. When I do mention these issues, for example, to some of my friends, they just like to downplay the effects and oh, it can't be that bad and no, it can't be this serious and for this won't happen. And they just like to downplay it when it's very scary and very real what they can do because they usually, especially the ones that like to quote studies, they quote these very stupid studies about how look, this food isn't that bad because of this. Glyphosate isn't that bad because of this. Like defending insane things over these studies, which is crazy to do. Yeah, it is and and it's and there's more and more studies coming out showing just how toxic and harmful glyphosate is. It's a total endocrine disruptor. It's actually inverse, you know, people say that well, dose makes the poison. The more it is, the the more damage it causes. Not always. Glyphosate is actually more hormonally disrupting at lower levels. It's more toxic in other ways at higher levels, but it screws up your hormones worse at lower levels. Right? So, they say, "Oh, it doesn't And then these poor girls eat like a a bowl of glyphosate strawberries as like a healthy snack. Yeah. Yeah, and and your cereal and granola and all that sort of stuff. >> It it's just it's pervasive. It just gets everywhere and you have you have one uh field that they're spraying with glyphosate and then that just the wind blows and it carries it over into the next field. Right? And you know, then then they have other sort of horrific practices. Yes, so even you have an organic field that's really is doing it the right way, all these pesticides, insecticides, and herbicides are actually just flowing over from the other farm. So, you know, even if you're not if you're not spraying anything at all, you're still going to get some blow over if you're in an agricultural community, which most farms are near other farms. >> Mhm. And so, it's it's really unfortunate, but there are more studies coming out now, but you know, the Monsanto's, the Bayer's, the Pfizer's, the Nestlé's of the world, they fund a lot of the medical journals and the and the scientific journals. And as a result, they have influence on what gets published and what doesn't. And if it disagrees with their product, then they can make a big stink. And I was speaking to lady um uh Dr. Stephanie Seneff. She's been at MIT for years. She was She did um her undergraduate and and PhD at MIT in computer science and has been in computer science research at MIT doing AI stuff since like the '80s, right? So, super bright lady, you know, really high-end researcher and last, you know, 15 years or so, she's been going hardcore on glyphosate. And then now she's more recently going into like deuterium and and um and things like that. Oh, I've heard about deuterium as well. It's interesting. Yeah, it's it's Look into it. It's it's There's a There's a lot there. And so, prof- or Dr. Seneff, she um is working on that now, but she was also doing glyphosate for like 15 years. And um and she was telling me that they pub- that her and her her group were publishing something and it went to this this um you know, went to this uh journal and it got accepted for peer review and it got cleared by peer review and it was getting done. They were like, "Yeah, we're going to go publish this." And then they all got an email saying, "Hey, would you guys um be willing to retract your study? And just say, "Hey, we're going to pull the study." Retract, wow. Yeah. Like, "Would you be willing to do that?" Now, what that means in academic speak is that basically when that happens is when some sort of major malfeasance has come up and the journal is about to pull your study and say, "Hey, we can't publish this study because there's a huge problem with like huge malfeasance or something like that." And they're giving you a chance to save face and um and basically save your career because if you get a if you get a a study pulled like that, that that can legitimately end your career and Wow. >> get grant money after that and things like that. So, imagine all the studies that could have been published that just haven't been. Yeah. And they got scared off and so, they looked at that and they were like, "Ooh, okay, what the hell's going on there?" But then they you know, they talked among themselves and looked at it and they were like, "No, you know what? This this is a good study. And and you know, we we stand by um you know, what what we did here." And so, they sent that back in saying saying that. And you know, a few days later, they got a uh you know, email back from the journal saying, "Hey, you know what? Don't worry about it. It's not a problem. Um we'll be publishing, you know, on this date." or whatever. And then the next week, they make a completely, you know, independent sort of statement saying, "We will not be intimidated by our um advertisers and our sponsors to influence what we publish and don't publish. We will publish things based on their scientific merit and not from influence from from um you know, our our advertisers." And so, the impression there is that one of their the the powers that be that would have lost a lot of money, you know, stands to lose money from glyphosate being vilified, rightly so, um that they started putting pressure on them to like cut this paper out. And and then they said, "Yeah, we're not we're not doing that. We're not going to we're not going to be shills like that for these people." And so, so thankfully, they stood up for that, but you know, how many how many of them don't? You know? All the buried work that we could have been discovering by now. Yeah, it's all it's all being suppressed, you know. It's You you see you see human innovation suppressed throughout throughout history for one reason or another. And now this is just the most most recent one. It's just for the for the profit motive uh that we're suppressing human innovation and and um and advancement just so that a few people can make a buck. You know, these people are smart enough. They have the the They have the industrial wheels um and chops to They can make money doing things that actually benefit humanity as opposed to just pretending to benefit humanity. Mhm. Right? They're just being lazy, you know? And so, you know, we need to take this away from them. We need to take away their toy. And you know what? And and then and make them do something fricking useful. Because we don't need this death and disease and toxic garbage. We don't need people, you know, DuPont dumping in chemicals in rivers and things like that. We don't need that. You know? Why don't you do something useful and we'll pay you for it. How about that? >> Mhm. So, yeah, that's that's Well, it's never going to happen fully, but at least we can try to put pressure on them to to do it more. >> And I feel like as bad as, you know, the current health conditions are, obesity rates, all those things are, I also think now a lot of people have been waking up recently thanks to videos like yours specifically that have just been waking up tons and tons of people. And I do feel like the next generation of people because of this era of, you know, internet access where we can just listen to each other, watch these videos, learn more, do more research ourselves, that future generations are just going to be better and better. Especially now that I've noticed specifically in the younger like a teens, 20s category, they're like really interested in carnivore and like going all in on the diet instead of discovering it later in life. They're just discovering it early on, understanding the importance of it, and also pushing out this message of um making sure that your families are healthy, making sure your future generations are healthy as well. So, this cult-like um energy that's rising from younger generations now, which I think is going in a good direction. Yeah, definitely. Well, I'm glad that you're you're able to sort of, you know, speak more with them and and and sort of relate to people uh on that level and um and I was going to say too, just I know if I kept you for a while. I don't want to keep >> no worries at all. I enjoyed it. Okay. Um I was just going to I was just going to ask as well, you know, just to finish up, what are what are some of the best and most impressive changes that you've seen in the people that you've worked with? Mhm. Well, of course, number one, getting rid of PCOS, which is literally a condition that basically turns you into a man, reversal of facial hair growth, uh reversal of ovarian cysts. Um a few people, they reversed their depression, like depressiveness that they couldn't fix with medication. They were able to reverse on the diet. Uh hair loss, another big issue. You know, there's nothing as um nothing as emotionally distressing as losing your hair, especially as a woman. So, being able to regain that and then seeing a reversal in skin quality and uh for example, some of the people in our community are a little bit older and they just mentioned how their skin is so much plumper, like noticeably Botox-like effect on their skin. And again, the weight loss in such a short amount of time. Obviously, our goal main goal is to heal you first and then the weight loss will come later, but the amount of weight that these people are able to lose without friction, without that mental battle, making it so easy. And obviously, when you lose the weight, the transformation is my favorite part. Just seeing someone glow up into what they should have looked like, glow up into what they were genetically meant to look like, and then the confidence that they gain with their beauty, the confidence that they gain with their new look, how much happier, more enthusiastic they are about life because of it are some of the my favorite parts that I've seen about people on this diet. That's great. Well, it's it's great to hear and I mean, I always love seeing that as well with my patients, you know, tracking their blood work and not only just their their physical changes, but also their biological changes. Coming off medications, I mean, I I my deprescribing people off medication is a major part of my practice. I I take people off more medications than I put them on, let's put it that way. A lot more. And um and that's really fulfilling. It's It's really nice to see that and see people get healthier and not only you look and feel better, but you know, objectively improve their health and come off medications and and improve their their test results as well. And so, yeah, it's very it's very rewarding. So, well, thank you very much um for for being here. Thank you for so much for taking the time and and thank you for for spreading the message and and um you know, getting this out to more people. I think it's really important. >> Thank you so much, Dr. Chaffee, for having me. Oh, you're very welcome. >> Couldn't have done it without your videos. >> No. Well, thanks. Um speaking of which, um where can people find you and and follow you for more? Duru Bilimlier on all social medias. That is a d u r u. Same thing on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube. That's about it. Okay, sounds good. Well, put those uh links in the description. People can can check them out below. Duru, thank you so much for coming on. It's been a pleasure. Thank you, Dr. Chaffee. Thank you. Hey guys, thank you very much for taking the time out to listen to what I had to say. If you like it, then please like and subscribe to my YouTube channel and podcast. And if you're on YouTube, then please hit that little bell and subscribe and that'll let you know anytime I have a new video out, which should be every week, if not more. And if you could share this with your friends, that would help me get the word out and let me know that you like what I'm doing. Thanks again, guys. >> [music]