Dr. Anthony Chaffee interviews Becca Bavry, an army wife, nurse, and mother of two autistic twins who transformed her family's health through carnivore nutrition. Becca shares her journey from battling multiple autoimmune diseases including Hashimoto's and Sjögren's syndrome while struggling to care for her children, to becoming a certified ketogenic nutrition specialist and essentials coach for Dr. Ken Berry's network. Her story illustrates the power of proper human diet in reversing chronic illness and supporting neurological development.
The conversation delves deep into autism spectrum disorders and their potential environmental triggers, particularly focusing on glyphosate exposure and gut microbiome destruction from birth. Becca explains how her twins' autism may have been influenced by early antibiotic exposure, formula feeding, and the introduction of processed foods containing high levels of glyphosate. She describes remarkable improvements in both children after implementing strict ketogenic and carnivore protocols, with her son experiencing dramatic physical development and her daughter showing enhanced focus and emotional intelligence.
Dr. Anthony Chaffee presents his groundbreaking theory on autoimmune disease, challenging the conventional molecular mimicry hypothesis. He argues that autoimmunity isn't the body attacking itself, but rather immune responses to foreign substances like lectins and plant toxins that bind to human cells, creating collateral damage during the body's natural defense process. This mechanism explains why strict carnivore diets can reverse conditions like multiple sclerosis, Hashimoto's, and Crohn's disease even while antibodies remain elevated.
The discussion also covers the corruption of medical education and professional organizations, with Becca sharing her experiences navigating nursing school while knowing the curriculum contradicts evidence-based practice. Both speakers emphasize the importance of building supportive communities for people pursuing optimal health through proper human diet, while working to reform healthcare from within the system.
Key Takeaways
- Glyphosate exposure may be a primary driver of autism rates increasing from 1 in 10,000 in people over 70 to 1 in 34 in current children, with the chemical classified as an antibiotic that destroys gut microbiomes
- Early antibiotic exposure at birth combined with formula feeding and processed foods can devastate infant gut health, potentially contributing to autism spectrum disorders through microbiome disruption
- Autoimmune diseases aren't caused by the body attacking itself but by immune responses to foreign substances like lectins and plant toxins that bind to human cells, creating collateral damage
- Strict carnivore diets can reverse multiple autoimmune conditions including Hashimoto's, multiple sclerosis, and Crohn's disease, with improvements often seen within weeks even while antibodies remain elevated for years
- Children with autism can experience significant improvements on ketogenic and carnivore protocols, including enhanced physical development, better emotional intelligence, and improved focus and social skills
- Medical textbooks are heavily influenced by pharmaceutical and food industry funding through organizations like the ADA and AHA, creating conflicts between evidence-based practice and taught curriculum
- Ruminant meat is optimal for autoimmune recovery because the fermentation process breaks down plant toxins and glyphosate, providing cleaner nutrition compared to monogastric animals fed contaminated feed
- Building supportive communities is crucial for people transitioning to proper human diet, as they often face opposition from family, friends, and medical professionals despite experiencing dramatic health improvements
- Becca's Journey from Autoimmune Disease to Carnivore Diet
- Challenging Medical School Indoctrination and Industry Corruption
- Medical Guild System and Scope of Practice Politics
- Diabetes and Cholesterol Guidelines - Biting Your Tongue in Medical School
- The Rise of Autism - Environmental Triggers and Glyphosate Connection
- Glyphosate as Antibiotic - Destroying Gut Microbiome and Causing Autism
- Preventing Autism Through Proper Human Diet and Avoiding Formula
- Autoimmune Disease Theory - Plant Toxins vs Body Attacking Itself
- COVID Vaccines and Autoimmune Disease Connection
- Healing Humanity Case Studies - Reversing Multiple Sclerosis
- Autistic Twins Success Story - Carnivore Diet Results
- Building Community and Gradual Diet Transitions
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welcome to the plantree MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining me for another episode of the plant-free MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest Becca bavy who is going to tell us her story Becca thank you so much for coming on it's great to see you great to see you too thanks for having me very very welcome so for people don't know you and and your involvement in you know healing humanity and other sorts of things um like Dr Barry's Network as well can you tell us a bit about yourself and and what you do uh yes so um I'm an army wife and mom to two autistic twins I'm also a nurse and have a host of certifications for Primal health coach and then a certified ketogenic nutrition specialist so volunteer for Dr Barry and his group as an Essentials coach and then um I volunteer with healing humanity and I've been on a ketogenic Journey since 2018 and I did it for autoimmune reasons um weird story My Brother um kind of gave it gave me the idea to do keto back in 2018 and I have two autoimmune diseases Hashimoto and shog and they're not really treat readable um other than you know hormone replacement and symptom management and I was sick and tired of being sick and tired it was hard to get up out of bed my husband kept having to like ask me to get up and like you got to get up and take care of the kids and you got to get them off to school I have to go to work because he's Army he's got a schedule he has to stick to and he was doing my job and his too and my brother suggested this I looked into it kind of jumped in to sort of a dirty Atkins keto type thing and it really did just start to help and I cleaned it up more and was able to get off my medications so I was on anti-depressants I was on pain management on narcotics I was on Gaba Penton for peripheral neuropathy and um blood pressure medications and anti-anxiety meds and just so many things and when when I was able to get off these medications it I started digging into the science and there was some you know there was some back in in the in 2018 and decided to get certified in 2019 and it just kind of snowballed to where I am where I am now and um and with that it was back in 2023 that I asked Dr Barry if I should go back and become a provider so that I could become a low carb provider and he was like uh hell yeah like just keep your head down get the grades get your certification then do whatever you want when you get out um which is only partially true for nurse practitioners because there's a lot of rules and Rags for us but you know so now I should graduate sometime next year and so what's the plan then um that is a really great question so we're excellent question I have no I know well okay so we're military you heard me say that we are actually moving again this summer to Fort Campbell Kentucky and it depends on how long we're there and if we decide to stay there or if we retire someplace else so it could be that I open my own practice depending on the state or it could be that I try to join a coner service like you know you got Rivero out there you've got Dr tro uh Services out there and I think we're going to start seeing more and more of those pop up um but the goal is to specialize in metabolic health and um endocrine health because super fascinated with the thyroid yeah very good all right and um so we were we were talking about this a bit off camera but you we're talking about how how it can be a bit of of a difficult issue coming into this especially well you know as a practitioner you're sort of you know bucking Trends and things like that and you can get you know weird looks from your colleagues or even even you know flat out opposition and um and but you know going through it as a as you know getting your certifications you that can have a lot of issues as well because now you're being taught things you're like you know and so how's that been for you oh it's been well the i' I've Lear learned that the books are basically bought and paid for all of our textbooks are bought and paid for by the Ada the AHA and the AMA and it's their recommendations whatever they say goes and that's still and that still holds for even some things as simple as as thyroid Health even even with management of thyroid they tell you that you just need to check a TSH and it's like even the endocrine Society doesn't even say that anymore but that's what's still that's what's still in the books and that's what they they tell people and um it's it's an interesting you know telling people that 7% is great for a hemoglobin A1c is it's really sad when we know that we have studies proven that 5.7 is when the damage starts and it's just you have to put those book answers you know because I'm not going to give up a 4.0 right now um I'm not giving it up for to to miss a question um but you know you're cursing in your head the whole time like you know and our our exams are proctored not like in medical school where you're actually in person a lot of our stuff's online so our exams are proctored and so you can't say anything so if I was cursing the camera then I'd lose all my exam grades yeah yeah so that would be good um you know that's that's a funny thing too is they say well you know go by the recommendations of these these organizations they're private organizations I mean there were just people that just decided to come together and just say hey why don't we make an organization there's enough people with diabetes now and then they're just making recommendations um potentially you know hopefully maybe originally because they they want to help people and so they want to get a standardized set of treatments that they think are are the best but you know it's been completely corrupted by you know the Food and Drug companies I mean you have like you know coca colola and Nestle and these sorts of things I believe are still sponsors of the American diabetics Association and um yeah I think so too at least processed food in general does that and I I know that you know historically I mean even even going on like the little the weird little vegan um shows like like that horrible propaganda piece the the what the health thing that one on on Netflix years ago they went after a guy who was like high up in the ada8 and he was then and they even talked about how like Nestle and K they were all sponsoring them and all that sort of nonsense but um you know these are private organizations just like the American Heart Association and people put so much Credence in that it's it's just it's just a private group's opinion I mean yeah and it's amazing how they've affected um public policy so much of course that's it's getting into Poli but you know money lines pockets and they've lobbied so much and it it's absolutely astounding I mean I don't know if you know about the the American Medical Association and their lobbying against nurse practitioners and PAs did you know that no no it didn't no there's ongoing um lobbying they spend millions of dollars Lobby in Congress to try to get nurse practitioners and PAs to pull their scope of practice all the way back to where they can't even do prescriptive Authority like yeah mil Milton Freeman talked about that you know who Milton Freeman is he's um he's a he's a Nobel prize winning Economist he's um he was a friend and mentor and then colleague of one of my heroes Thomas sell and Milton Freeman is definitely a hero as well but he he's been talking about that you know the um you know the the medical Guild you know it's like this exclusive Club that's great to be in but um you know but they don't want anybody else in it that's it they want they want to keep it exclusive right you know so they don't they don't want they don't want competition you keeps their their wages High keeps them in demand all that sort of stuff which he he thought was a really bad idea and I I agree well I mean even like my brother's a PA and he's a he's actually a physicians assistant first assist he's one of the last ones in the country that still has just a bachelor's degree and he does open heart surgeries from start to finish he is one of the only ones that can and have done it themselves cracking the chest harvesting the veins you know and people want to limit his scope of practice and it's like he he trains all the new people and nobody can hack it so it's like you know experience does Trump some things I mean but I agree I do agree that nurse practitioners need more hours but that's a that's a whole other that's a whole other conversation I'm so against the grain on that one yeah did they or would they grandfather in people that are already there like your brother already has experience that he's already doing that would they say no you're not allowed to do that anymore no they want to pull it back for everybody yeah so like every nurse practitioner in this in every state like they want to pull it back it's the AMA but I mean it never passes and Congress always like shels it but yeah that's what they try to do yeah well that that's absurd I mean if there if there's an actual reason like people were getting hurt and that's one thing but you know the ma would be able to pick those people out like hey you're hurting people were deregistering you well they are there are more um nurse practitioners being sued for you know along with the physician that oversee them but it's it's not anything more than other do than actual Physicians being sued so it's still on par yeah and it's like it has to be taken in an individual basis right you know I mean there's people that like your brother that's doing freaking open heart surgery and like doing like all this this great work you know why would why would you limit his scope of practice if he's never had an issue if he's never had a complaint if he's never had you know a you know malpractice you know suit or something like that you know why why would you you know so doing that blanket across the board that that we just assume that everybody's incompetent doesn't really make sense yeah I I believe it and you know it's it's you know sort of going well yeah it's just sort of keeping that exclusive you know club and things like that it's like a guild you know sort of Milton Freeman makes a lot of really good Arguments for it and shows how that has impacted um you know Health in around the world and access to healthcare and things like that did not used to be like that I mean back in in the early 1900s and before before the flection report you could you could just be a doctor you could just have um apprentices you just train doctors and it was just like basically go on your saying like yeah this this guy's good enough and they would just send a letter in and they they would get licensed you know and there were universities and there were other training programs but there were all sorts of different things and then the um you know undergraduate medical degrees Etc um there a lot of different Pathways John Hopkins was the only one that was postgraduate High academic uh rigor and all that sort of stuff and um they also had some brilliant professors like Dr Osler and things like that you know William Osler um who was thought to be the greatest medical educator in history but um the flexer report Carnegie people always get this wrong they always say that that um Rockefeller put the flection report out and it was in order to you don't know his motivations but it wasn't Rockefeller anyway it was actually Carnegie Carnegie so Carnegie did it and I took a I took a class on um on this actually on on medical history from a from a was a course at Yale he just did it on you know just for fun online but we we addressed this specifically and you can look it up it's on Wikipedia it's like Carnegie right and um so Carnegie did this and the purpose of it stated print purpose was to see who trains the best doctors right and um what system is it and they found that flexner found that John's Hopkins was Far and Away making training the best doctors back in with the 20s or something like that and was it their system was it because they had the most brilliant professors who knows but that's what he found he said these are the guys making the best doctors and so Carnegie said okay anybody who wants to adopt this this way of doing it here's $50 million in a in a fund which is like billions now you know like back in the 20s and um and so people just jumped on it because they just wanted money they're like great yeah we'll do that fine you know we we'll build new wings and new thises and thats and we'll just adopt your system fine no problem and um and so that's why that changed for us it's actually is changing around the world but before that you had a lot more doctors and you had a lot more ways of training doctors and now it's a much more exclusive Club and um and and uh Milton Freeman talked a lot about that I think he would have had a field day for how you know how corrupt the medical system is now if he was still around but you know like saying that you know saying recommending that oh you should listen to the diabetics Association recommendation or you listen to the American Heart Association there your private entities that just have their own personal opinion I mean that's like saying we should follow the bill on Melinda Gates Foundation recommendations for for vaccines and all these they're not actually uh you know someone who who's who is necessarily in authority and should or or should be this is a private organization they should be or should be no no absolutely not so you know that's it it is you we we think of these things like the AHA and the Ada and the and and you know the AMA as like well these are the the authoritative bodies like no they're they're just they're just like five guys who just decided to make a club and now they've got just it's just a big club now good old boys club yeah yeah I mean even medicine has changed so much so like I'm my whole family was medicine except for my one brother is an analytical chemist so he didn't go the way of of medicine he went chemistry um but my mom was an O nurse and my dad was a do and when my dad my dad actually graduated in 1981 right after I was born and he didn't even do a residency like they didn't have to do residencies for Family Practice like it was just oh I'm just gonna get out of med school and go do it and that's what he did and it's it's interesting how now it's like a mandatory three-year residency like you you can't skip it and I it's changed a lot even since then yeah and um yeah definitely so what are some of the things that you you've come across where you just have to really like bite your tongue you know um that like you know to be wrong and but they're saying something ridiculous diabetes is definitely diabetes is definitely the number one like and then now we're we're on The Fringe so when they talk about bad cholesterol I hate the term bad cholesterol um because it's not bad like guys we need it I think that it's so intuitive um when you think about the recommendations these days and lowering cholesterol I it just it grates on my nerves because I'm like we physiologically know why we need it yet we're over here messing with the liver telling it to stop and I'm like where does that like where did anybody playing God ever go well ever in in our universe it never it never has so when the re when you see the recommendations now I will say in my path book I love pathophysiology I'm a nerd um complete nerd I found it fascinating yes it was hard but I loved every minute of it and our book actually re does not recommend statins immediately which is interesting it recommends CAC scores oh they have high cholesterol send them send them it's like immediately send them for a CAC and then consider send them and consider and I was like now see that's that's that's a good recommendation Let's do let's do that but then in the text it's like LDL cholesterol is bad and it's like oh like and I I love um did you see the cholesterol code Dave Feldman's new he he's got a new documentary okay yeah I think I've seen it so it just debuted no he said it's not considered a Premiere it was early showing okay so um it was at coai and they were able to show it and it's it's about his study and the results of the study and that is about to come out I think and is going to be on a streaming platform sometime but I think we're gonna turn things on its head on their heads and and I hope so yeah yeah I hope so I I will say dealing with people who are so still entrenched um at my previous school one of my people I was like I'm not going I will never prescribe a Statin like I my goal is to deprescribe medications and I will not do the things and he was like well then you'll lose your license and I'm like why because I didn't hurt a patient like making medical judgment we have studies evidence-based practice we're supposed to do this and use evidence-based practice and use critical thinking skills and you're telling me that somebody's gonna take my license because I can make a really good argument for not using it and he's like yeah that's your license and I'm like good God like I don't know about that you mean the thing is like if it's if it's evidence-based and you can make and you can defend your position you may you may get attacked and when you sort of step outside of that you may get attacked you may have people saying well what the hell and then you have to defend yourself you say no this I'm I'm following the evidence this is evidence based you know evidence changes you know these are the guidelines guidelines are there to help you know people that are very new and that that don't have a direction to go and so okay we go in this direction and then when you learn more about it and you get more you know Adept and familiar with the literature then you get to make your own decisions based on your clinical judgment and additionally you know if you're not if no one's having a bad result you know then you can't really say that there's any harm being done because no Harm's been done and you say listen you know I I've been finding very good you know positive you know Health outcomes doing this and this is benefiting my P patients more than that when I did this other thing I didn't get as good results so that's why I do this and it's supported by the literature that's why I changed because it's supported by the literature it's evidence-based and I get better results you know it would be immoral and malpractice if I did didn't do that because yeah yeah so it's it's interesting um what you come up against I mean there's other things that I won't mention but that are too Pol they're too political and I'll just keep my mouth shut until I graduate hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show and for everybody down in Australia Stockman Stakes who are delivering high quality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed to your ad door something that I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver kidneys and beef heart as well so use code chaffy today for free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at Stockman steaks.com Au and I'll see you over there thanks guys that's fine yeah well it's it's good for you for for going back and sort of waiting through that it is a lot easier to go through when you're just bridee and bushy tail like oh I'm just so happy to learn all this stuff um you know when you're coming through you know jaded and sinical and you've already seen you know the corruption and and um you know corrosion in the field in the world and you're just like God this is you people are just but you know we know it's true and and so we just need to yeah you just say the answer that you they want to hear and then and get it and get the grades then do the right thing as a as a practitioner yeah so I am excited about like the American Diabetes society that Dr Barry started and I'm hoping that somebody comes up with um an American Heart Society or something to to rival um because that would be great and we need now we just need people to sit down and start writing the textbooks in the way that they need to go I mean we have the ketogenic textbook and I have it um from Tim nox's foundation and it's brilliant but we need mainstream textbooks that are written by people who actually don't have a monetary stake in keeping people sick yeah definitely and I like the um you know Dr Barry's diabetes group because they explicitly say we're not taking money from any of these people that would have there would be a conflict in treatment you know and um you know ranchers sure but no drug companies or anything like that no sugar companies or sugar companies yeah ridiculous oh my their recipes drive me nuts like yeah it's like here do a cucumber salad put a quar cup of sugar in it I saw that yeah what is quarter cup of sugar for a diabetic in in a cucumber salad wow like yeah yeah cucumber I like cucumber salad like why would why would you need sugar in it like why would you want it sweet like okay so now I'm a little bit jaded because I have gone so long without sugar that it's it everything tastes really sweet to me I'm sorry there's this cat is shedding all over me it's like flying in the air sorry um but everything tastes super sweet to me so I don't know why anybody would want to add extra to yeah thing well and also you know the diabetes thing you know they I guess that's they're true to their name I actually you know made a bit of store post on that when I saw that and I said well Diabetes Association is true to their name you know giving you recommendations and recipes to give you diabetes and what they're trying to do ConEd for life that's our connected for life my goal is for people not to need me yeah I want people to not need me like why why did this okay this this is so probably a stupid question when did it start that we had to start going to the doctor every year it used to be that you went to the doctor only when you were sick or you had them make house calls so why is it why do we have yearly visits for every child why do we have yearly visits for every human being like why like when did that when did that guideline change I I sort of remember it happening probably in the the 80s and 90s I mean it's just that you just sort of had I remember as a kid it was just sort of oh you should get an annual checkup you know and you just you should just get in there and I mean you know now it's just sort of an annual checkup is I guess the argument was for the preventative side of things which to make sure that people aren't going off the rails which is you know fair enough um you know but maybe it's just maybe it's trying to drum up more more office visits but um but now at this point I mean you don't even need an annual visit because you they're five times a month to like try to sort all these problems out well I'm still doing that with my thyroid so I can't say anything although my my nurse practice ition is she's like get your Labs oh and I'll see you in 12 weeks yeah and I'm like my thyroid tanked and you're like Yeahs yeah yeah okay own your Labs I'll just do that let me see let's see what's the standard of care 30 milligrams per week is what you need to go up that's the endocrine standard I guess I'll be dosing myself great thanks thanks ma'am for helping me yeah that's I'm at right now so yeah well yeah it's um it's so not safe don't people don't do that don't do what I yeah don't don't self-prescribe definitely don't do that yeah it's very very important um yeah it's uh yeah I I don't know exactly when they they started doing that but um you know our our need to go to the doctor has certainly changed you know and certainly you know going to the doctor when you need to was what what you did historically but also um that was much more rare you didn't need to go to the doctor nearly as much now people are going to the doctor all the time and and you just constantly have to you know go in and get more medications and this is and that and that's definitely spiked in the last 40 years and it's just you know really started to come up and then just kept going up it hasn't hasn't slowed down we're the most technologically advanced that we've ever been and yet we're the sickest we've ever been and we have highest disease prevalence that we've ever had and and life expectancies are coming down it's not up and all these other sorts of things so um obviously it's not working you know you can have all the technology in the world but that doesn't mean you're doing the right thing well sometimes having technology and using it sometimes you it's just because you have it doesn't mean you should use it I think in in a lot of in a lot of situations um I talking to Carrie man and he was like hey you need to talk about this so and I think it'll kind of seg it's a good segue um so why do what do you think is causing it I have two autistic teenagers they are 17 two different brands of autism and they're they're twins boy and a girl and both are autistic and I have my suspicions and then whenever you you interviewed somebody from MI it and it just kind of exploded my mind and and I just want to see if you think it's the same thing that I think it is that's causing autism in our in our society I I think it's probably going to be multiple reasons but I I definitely think that um that diet has a has a big role to play in that you know when when these other chronic diseases started spiking up I looked at it and autism started going up at the exact same time and you know people saying well you know it's just a diagnostic issue we're better at that's a bunch I don't even yeah well I mean like I mean that is someone who's never had a family member who had autism or some ever seen anybody with autism and I mean that that's not something you miss it's a you know some some can be very mild and some can be extremely uh severe and so of of people with cases with severe autism there are much much much more uh cases now it's much more prevalent you we're not talking about someone who's just a bit a bit weird at social events you know we're talking about someone who has a profound learning disability and can't function under normal circumstances that has increase dramatically so you can't just chalk that up to well we just didn't notice it you can say that once and only once and they said that in the 90s when it started going up oh it's just we're just getting better at detecting it and all blah blah blah blah blah or maybe we're diagnosing something else calling it something else but now we're calling it autism okay you can say that once now you're paying attention so why did it go up in 2000s and why did it go up again in 2010s and the 2020s you know a really a really good way of looking at it is one that um RFK mentioned which was kids now the autism rate is one in34 Americans and one in 22 males right in that in the this upcoming generation and it was one and 130 when mine were diagnosed for Mal one and 130 for males there you go so that's already gone up dramat by multiples but people alive right now who are in their 70s the autism rate is one in 10,000 so you know if in in the 70s people weren't diagnosing this properly that's one thing but those same people are now adults who could then be you know get a proper diag because now we know and I know people who have have have gotten an Autism diagnosis in their 40s you know say hey look we think you have you know some autism spectrum sort of things and they're fully functional you know have you know family and kids and all that sort of stuff there's one that we both know and have both been on their channel before and Bart like he Bart K is high functioning and you know it's it's pretty it's pretty interesting and I I really appreciated your video on with the woman from MIT I need to read her book I just don't have time right now I just don't have time but it makes so much sense when you look at it there was there was a reel that somebody posted on Instagram and I cannot tell you who did it but it was showing the pounds of glyphosate that was used since like a certain amount it was like a ticker that had a bar graph and it just kept ticking and it was right in the early 2000s that glyphosate hit like number two and I think about like the ketogenic book that has some studies in it uh the ketogenic textbook and it says that breastfed baby uh non- breastfed babies were more likely to have autism so it's like okay so so why why is that and if you look at babies that are born or fed formula these formulas what do they have in it and I'm like how much of them contain contain glyphosate how much do they how much do they contain and it's not it doesn't even have the proper nutrition in it for their brain development and I remember my kids from okay number one I was strep B positive so they gave both of them um antibiotics at Birth like IV antibiotics at Birth so their gut microbiome was completely destroyed from the moment that they entered into the world I didn't I didn't breastfeed because I didn't make anything I made nothing so we had to bottle feed and no formula worked my son projectile vomited everything we put everything absolutely everything and my daughter's like she was constipated from from the time she was on formula and it's like their gut microbiomes were completely destroyed from birth and so there are a lot of people that like like to slam vaccines and stuff and I'm like guys I think you're missing the forest for for the trees and it's not just one thing it's the whole immune system do I think vaccines like given them 50,000 shots yes I think that there's a a problem with that but I think we're destroying their guts from the beginning you're giving him these little Puffs cereals when they can first start to teeth and what's it made with oh wait it's made of like oats and stuff that has like a huge glyphosate load great like let's just thousands of times the the levels that are considered safe or acceptable that that's been shown in multiple studies well and and if you look at what it's actually classified as it's not classified as a pesticide or an herbicide it's a freaking antibiotic it's not even like we are literally micro doing everybody with antibiotics and it's destroying our gut microbiome and I think that once that happens it that's where the immune system starts you're going to start effing with the brain and and it all goes to from there yeah I I think that's um you I I I really liked Dr Sen's work I love her work on glyphosate and and uterum everything that that lady does is is brilliant but um glyos say she you know she's really been Railing at this for years and years and years and you look and when this came in to the food supply was in 1993 and then you did see a massive Spike at that time and I think that it's probably a lot of things and I I I would I would guess that glyphosate is probably a major contributor to that and now it's um we use 4.5 billion gallons of glyphosate a year it's just absolutely dumping it and um like 90 some there was some statistic was like over 99% never touches a weed you know it's just used to like you know ripen crops and then a lot of this just gets wiped washed off it gets into the water supply yeah and and destroys the microbiome in the soil it destroys soil Health gets in the water it's now in the rain it's just and we're just using more and more and more of it um and and and that is just absolutely going to be just ecological disaster we're talking about like cows in a field and how they're destroying the planet it's just like really not the 4.5 billion gallons of glyphosate that's Dum that is known to destroy life you know plant life um bacterial life you know potentially you know damaging human life and and we're just we're just ignoring that you know and um it's it's absolutely wild but you know when you're when you're selling 4.5 billion gallons of glyphosate a year you've got a pretty large marketing budget You Know cover all that up I have I I I hate Monsanto and I will always hate Monsanto because my dad was in Vietnam and he was sprayed with agent orange so yeah so like when I say like we're pro probably partially it could be genetic with me like I might have passed on something because my dad was literally oil slicked he's like it was just running down us like because they got sprayed directly with it and so it's like yeah his DNA was probably screwed up so mine's probably screwed up and I've passed it on to my kids fantastic but you know we've already told our kids get genetic testing before you have kids if they want kids my daughter says she doesn't but you we'll see what happens but it's like it it should be criminal yeah well you know it was really interesting you know what What's um Dr s was saying was that you know when this is this is this is why you need to actually have you know bring back actual um you know science with Integrity because you it used to be if it wasn't uh replicable you didn't even pay attention to it you certainly didn't change policy over it and so if you you had one lab say oh hey look at this we found this it's like okay that's cute and all but it wouldn't even get considered for publication unless it was reproducible unless it some someone else reproduced it this was a big thing with homeopathic medicine it was actually a big homeopathic um you know proponent and he did this study showing look at this has all these benefits from Homeopathy and Homeopathy true Homeopathy is um you dilute some offending substance so low that by that that statistically there is a one forget the exact numbers but something like 1 * 10 to the negative know 34th power like you know uh chance to one that you'll have one molecule of the original substance less left right so there's basically no chance in hell that there's even one molecule left right and so they're saying that the magic of the impression that this left on the water is what's going to heal you it's like okay well that's a theory Let's test it and so he put this study out that well he did it right and said well you have to do it in this special way and all that sort of stuff and and so they put it out and it show and and it they showed that it was really beneficial and so like New England Journal of Medicine like published this and everyone was just you know going wow wow that's amazing and um and people got really like hold on a second this has never been reproduced like you you you should not have published this like this needs to be reproduced before you you do this and so Jo okay well all right well let's let's do that and so another lab did this and the guy from the original study said well look you I have to be involved because there's a technique to this there's a technique you take one drop of the substance you put in like a 50 gallon barrel and then you stir in a magic stir one W way and then you take one drop of that put in another 50 gallon barrel and you do the same thing and you keep going down right so there's there's nothing left but it's the magic of the stirring that that's what does it that's what he was saying and so sounds like my grandfather's cornbread my grandfather had to stir it sorry oh yeah and um and so they they they were doing this and they they were finding like okay we're doing this experiment and um then this guy had to be involved like okay and and all of a sudden you know the experiment was going in in the direction that the first experiment was going in but they started noticing some inconsistencies and they sort of actually um had a suspicion that he was actually going in and changing some of the data and changing some of the things like when people weren't in the lab and so they locked him out they changed all you know access to all these things and um and so the the the homeopathic guy now could only come in stir the thing and then he had to go away right and then all of a sudden just went completely off the rails it was absolutely not better than Placebo there was nothing there's nothing there right yeah and so you know one month later um the New England Journal of Medicine you know wrote a retraction said hey sorry we shouldn't have published that that was premature it wasn't replic it wasn't replicated uh we tried to replicate it it couldn't be replicated so we're taking it off but like everybody still like looks at that goes oh look at this Homeopathy works it's in the New England Journal of Medicine it's like not really and so it's really important to have that um you know reproducibility and we don't even do that anymore you know that was in my lifetime that that that happened with the you know um the New England Journal of Medicine like they that h i remember that happening and being taught about that in school and um and so and this was the the tght to us as like this is the importance of reproducibility you have to reproduce something somebody else in an independent lab has to be able to reproduce it before you should pay attention to it now that that never happens and in 93 that's what um that's what happened there's an exper there was a test that that um that monsant I believe Monsanto whomever did at the time looking at glyphosate and this was the study that that made it allowable to put this in the food supply right and you spray it on right before you know it help ripen it up and then you harvest it so it's right right there it's fresh as you're Le still wet as you're you're harvesting this stuff you know not really but it's uh it's still on there certainly and so their experiment was with mice so okay so it's not people but it's mice and uh they follow them for three months and they were exposing them to you know amount of glyphosate they said look look at this there's no problems after three months everything's great but then with that information they decided to put glyphosate into the food supply forever not just for three months or three years but for the entire life cycle of humanity right and so say oh this is okay and dogs and cats because now it's in kibble and um and so Dr seni um uh you know talks about how a colleague of his hers that also researched scusate tried to reproduce it tried to reproduce this study and and again it wasn't reprod reproduced at the time they just said oh yeah all great so this guy reproduced it and he took mice Expos him to the same amount of Life Estate but instead of just stopping it at three months he just extended out through the entire lifespan of the mice and he found that in about four months the wheel started falling off you know and um and they started getting no wonder they stopped at three well that's it you know because there's a lot of these there's a lot of fraudulent um studies and and one of those is is by having you know retrospective end points you you run this experiment and go like o it's looking good up to here but then it gets bad so we'll just say we planned on stopping it here anyway and here's your study and so at four months things started getting bad you they they all were dying early they're all getting like crazy tumors and uh organ uh damage and things like that and um and so no this stuff is not is not safe and you know it's the point that I make all the time is that slow poison is still poison it doesn't have to kill you today to be a poison it needs to cause harm years from now and it's still a poison you know and it's just causing disruption and harm and um but yeah now it's now it's it's in there and so even though it's been shown that no this does cause harm it's you know it's uh it's sort of hard to to put uh the genie back in the bottle it is I will say um I do Advocate like there's nothing you can do about if your kid's going to have autism or not I really don't think that at this point there's a whole lot that you can can do we've all been exposed to so much stuff I think that it's going to be a crapshoot you know going to throw roll the dice every time that that you have a child um but there are things that you can do I think to minimize the risk and you know I think starting them off properly and eating a pro proper human diet I'm part of Dr Barry's Community I've got to use that term so um it's a good term yeah so proper human diet from the beginning I think is important which if that means breast milk if that means you got to get a wet nurse I mean if you got to get a goat the you know to give it goat milk whatever it takes um but just don't use don't use the formulas and then start them off with meat you know I think it's really important and you know both my kids are on ketogenic diets and it's helped them a lot um anybody's watching you can go find their stories like Dave Max's Channel and Aaliyah's Channel um Alia everybody calls her Alia I Say Aah so it's the West Virginia en me yeah but yeah so that I think that's important to his diet you know in treating these kids I think that it can have a profound effect um I think was it you that talked about the study about um was it cartine lack of carnitine in the brain Tex S&M yeah yeah so it's in meat imagine that only exclusively yeah go figure yeah s little sarty yeah well they you know the the counter argument is well that doesn't matter because we make cartine not everyone not everyone makes it and so or and not everyone necessarily makes enough of it and so those and so that's the thing you know in medicine you have a genetic predisposition and environmental trigger you have twins studies where you have sets of identical twins and you know one gets the disease not the other one doesn't always get that disease even if it's a genetic disease and it's called penetrance and so this has a 60% penetrance if one person get it if you have that genes there's a 60% chance you're actually going to express the phenotype for that disease or for that Gene so that's that's how that works so if you have a genetic predisposition I.E you don't make enough carnitine and you're not getting it from your environment so genetic predisposition environmental trigger then you can you can have a MISD development of your of your neurons and your mitochondria and your brain and this could cause problems and um and so Texas ANM showed that this can cause a form of autism and it's mdev of these neurons because of the lack of carnitine and the damaged mitochondria as a result and so you know that's the thing you know if if you have a genetic predisposition but you don't get the environmental trigger you don't get the disease and if you just have the environmental trigger but you don't have the genetic predisposition you also don't get the disease and that's how most of of these issues work and yeah so you know genes load the done but lifestyle pulls the trigger yeah yeah yeah I think that's I think that's that's I think that's true it's interesting like everybody in my family has autoimmune diseases except my brother Matt and it's weird like my mom had in do you know what inclusion body myositis is um I've I have actually yeah I have come across it before it's not something I I have much experience with though it's very rare um and it's similar to poly myid but it's there's no treatment and my mom had inclusion body myositis and she slowly died from it eventually she went on comfortable care so but it's like she had autoimmune issues my dad had autoimmune issues me and my brother have them and it's just like what what caused it you know and where does that fall into the Spectrum too and does that is is that what also kind of maybe helped PR my children for for autism like what's is there a study on that how do we know is there a study on autoimmunity and autism don't know I haven't haven't looked into it it'd be a good study it'd be a stud I I have I you know thinking about I think I've come across one person recently with inclusion body myositis who is actually getting some at least PR preliminary good results with a carnivore diet which I think is is well hey great but um is great you know but autoimmunity in general I think that that well I I know that every autoimmune issue that I've seen thus far responds very well to well carnivore diet proper human diet because I I think it's addressing an underlying root cause mechanism that you know your body that they you're having these toxins that are getting in your body they're attacking your body and your body's doing what it's supposed to do which is attack those things and I I don't think that it's your body is just screwed up and is attacking itself because it doesn't does behave that way you know it's not like you're it's not like you're if you have Hashimoto it's thinking your your thyroid is just an absess and so it's just full coure press massive um Auto um Auto antibody sort of attack and all these sorts of things it es and flows you get flare ups and and um and uh you know remission periods and like when would that ever happen with ponia that happens when you die with from pneumonia right because if you if you're if you're imun system pulls back and just takes a weekend off you're dead that that um infection is just going to go crazy in your body and you're dead so that that shouldn't happen you know I mean if if your body thinks your thyroid is an invading infection it has to kill it ASAP or else you're dead and so the simple fact that people don't burn out their thyroid and it doesn't it doesn't get dissolved and reabsorbed within a week or so tells me that is not behaving in that in that your just body thinks it's an infection it doesn't behave like that and then you have things like Celiac that's gluten mediated autoimmunity what the hell does that mean it means if you don't eat gluten you don't get the auto antibody attack so even though you have antibodies for for a Celiac for up to three years after your last exposure to gluten there's no attack on your body and so you have to eat the gluten and then that gluten actually attacks your inas sites and then those antibodies attack that complex which damages your inas sites because it's like civilian casualties you know you name Paul a forest you know there's going to be other people there besides the Viet Kong right and so that's what's that's what's going on with Celiac and you remove gluten and and you can see this on microscope you know on biopsy that within four to six weeks the the gut lining is completely healed even though those antibodies are still elevated for up to three years and so that's not an autoimmune disease your body is not attacking itself right it's attacking something else and I think that's the rest of antib or autoimmunity as well so so you okay so I have a well I want to hear your theory on autoimmunity which is which Carrie said to ask about and so I'm glad you kind of went there but I also don't I hate the way that autoimmunity is classified I don't believe that there's such a thing as Hashimoto versus um psoriasis versus lupus versus XYZ I don't think that they need to be classified into separate entities I think that they need to do what they did with autism and take all of the diagnosis and put it under an umbrella and say that you have um you have autoimmune disorder yeah yeah because when does it stop like I have I was diagnosed with shoger first right so that would di that gave me primary shog and syndrome well shog does not exist without a another autoimmune as primary source ever like once you get an another once you get another one it moves to secondary it's never the primary and I think that that's pretty interesting so then which came first the chicken or the egg obviously but then it's like why so why is it that people are like oh I don't have just one I have four because it's a Cascade it's a Cascade of an attack it it's like oh now I got to keep attacking something else I gotta something is still invading there is it's not shutting off the immune system is not shutting off so it just continually tries to fight whatever it can and I think that that's why you develop multiple ones I don't think it's just like oh well you have psoriasis and now you have Scleroderma and now you have XYZ like yeah well you know when you when you have an autoimmune condition you have one autoimmune condition you often have multiple Auto autoimmune conditions and I think that plays right in with my idea of what autoimmunity is which is like a Celiac sort of thing where it's not actually your body attacking itself your body's attacking the like in in the case of celiac the gluten and gluten is a lectin which is a plant toxin which is um uh protein with carbohydrate substructure and they combine to all all sorts of different antigens or molecules on the surface of our of our cells so it binds of that it damages them um it causes leaky gut and other sorts of issues and then so um your body is doing exactly what it's supposed to do its immune system is doing exactly what it's designed to do which is defend yourself and attack these attackers but because the lectin is bound to yeah to yeah to one of your antigens on your cells your your cells are going to get hit in the crossfire because those antibodies are going to start attacking that thing that's on your cell and you just get you get damaged that way but again when you stop eating gluten gluten your antibodies stay elevated for over three years that's in the textbook and yet no damage is occurring to your gut and your gut actually heals from this damage okay so what about other lectins lectin are strongly associated with autoimmunity GL glycosites also heavily associated with it as well they both cause leaky gun they both can get into your body and potentially attack things lectin certainly can we know that they get all over body and attacked him and they can track up the Vegas nerve and go in the substantia and damage that and and people that have had their Vegas nerve cut are in study in uh Netherlands um they looked over like 20 25 years of people who had had vagotomy they found that they had a 66% reduction in Parkinson's in that population right so and we know we've seen and visualize with radi fluorescent um uh label lectin that they can actually track up the veg nerve and go into the substanti and start damaging it so you know that's what these nasty plant chemicals do they they get in your body they cause havoc and we and we we're expressing the the um you know the downstream effect of this damage as diseases right but no it's just it's just we're getting toxic exposure so you know not to say that's the only cause of of Parkinson's but it sure is interesting you know that that happens and could be a contributory Factor but um these lectin get in your body and lifos can now get in your body because a leaky gut and okay they're they're they stick to things right so they can probably stick to everything else and so this is why I think that you have multiple autoimmune issues if you have one at all because they can get in they're not just attacking your thyroid they're attacking all sorts of different things and your body is responding to that attack right and so that's what I think is happening you know when I was taking Immunology this is you know postgraduate level Immunology when I was in my undergraduate degree before I went to medical school um that it was very clear that the body cannot attack itself when your when your immune cells are maturing in your thymus they're tested against every single antigen in your body every single molecule that your that your DNA can possibly make and if it reacted even weakly to any of those it would they would kill it and so there's no there's no way your your immune system your mature immune cells are incapable of making and expressing antibodies that can even weakly link up with your with your own antigens and so this idea of molecular mimicry is impossible that's why it's gonna pull that's what it's going to pull up because that is what's taught that's that's what we were taught well it's a theory I will say that in my book it says it's a theory it's not a theory by the immunologists that is not a theory in my Immunology textbook right because it can't be right because if you if your immune cells have the capacity to make an antibody towards a bacteria that could crossreact with one of your cells it could just make an antibody that reacts with your cells in the first place because these these immune cells they're constantly pumping out different antibodies and different variations because they have the sort of parts of the sort of a y-shaped um structure a lot of these things and there there's certain active zones in that and they change that active zone so it's just constantly putting out just you know random changes and um seemingly random changes and they just and just pumping these things out there and then if it reacts even weakly to something it's just like oh okay go get it and that comes back and that sends a signal and then they start upregulating the production of that anti that antibody else and so but you know so they're pumping these things out constantly if they could react to any of your antigens they would and your body would just attack that right you wouldn't need an infection to come in you wouldn't need a precipitating event to then get molecular mimicry you wouldn't need it if you had the capability of doing that in the first place which it does not unless something goes wrong in that maturation process then it would just do that anyway so if it if there were A disruption of the maturation process this is what you would see you would see your body just attacking itself directly you would not need a precipitating uh event to have molecular mimicry it would have a full coure press and massive increase in antibodies and immune response towards that antigen which is your body until it was dead it would not have these ups and downs and Es and flows it would not have to wait for a precipitating event and if you changed your diet it would not change one iota of what happened with that immune response and yet that's exactly what we're seeing so we're not seeing all the other things that would make this an infection that would make it you know if like your body responding to an infection we are seeing um what would H you know the results like if we considered this an exposure and you remove that exposure like gluten in this problem going away that's exactly what we're seeing with with Celiac it's a bit more uh bit easier because you you gluten only goes through if you eat it right but then eventually it goes out right because it's a oneway tube so when you stop eating gluten the damage can heal and just get over because there's no more gluten there but when you're eating lectins and toxins and glyphosat-prozess if you're if you're not really you know careful with what you're eating you could be introducing more of these things this is another reason why like a lion diet seems to work best for people with autoimmunity is just uh the ruminant animals because that yeah that ruminant process of fermentation breaks down these plant toxins glyphosate yeah it breaks down glyphosate as well and so when you're eating the ruminant animal you know you're you're getting a much cleaner meat whereas if you're getting uh pork chicken and fish that is that are farmed and being fed you know glyphosate ridden you know um plants that they're notan even if it's wild caught fish even if it's wild caught fish because it's running off into our into our rivers and do that too well I mean that's insane that's insane like it's kind of a light bulb moment um so I have a I have a follow-up question for about about that for you I want to see get your take um so there was a virus that came out in 2020 that if people got it a lot of people are developing autoimmune afterwards so what's your take on that then like why is so where does that fit fit in is it just because it's making the the immune system go ape because it's a man-made virus or or or what else is going on if you have you certain proteins are being expressed and those are known to bind on latch on and damage you know certain cell structures and cell lines what is your immune system designed to do get rid of that crap and so you know and and so if that's if that thing is stuck onto an organ or a tissue when the antibody comes to attack that you can attack that complex and again you can get hit in the crossfires it's civilian civilian casualties right yeah so that's that's you know you're you're putting things in your body that aren't supposed to be there those can bind onto and damage your cells and your tissue and your immune system is supposed to protect against that and so it has to attack that so if you have a bacteria or something else like that attacking your cells binding onto them trying to damage them eat them whatever you're going to get immune cells going after them so it's the same exact principle that you know these these chemicals or whatever are in your body they're attacking your body and your body's trying to defend against it it's just that you're getting hit in the crossfire and if these things don't go away like let's say you you know you did something to alter your genetic code and you're just constantly expressing you know these these proteins whatever they are and you're constantly pumping out you know foreign proteins that your body is not um not happy with being there and those things are going around sticking and damaging things you're going to have a constant expression of um of this of this process that we call autoimmunity which I don't think is autoimmunity now the the thing hair would be the exact same thing that you do in the context of if you were getting these chemicals in your body through the things that you were eating you have to sort of eliminate those things and so you know if that were the case you know is that going to be make it more difficult for them to get rid of that if their body's expressing these proteins yes it would be um the thought is is that those cells would have to die before they stopped expressing those proteins so maybe there's some sort of you know mechanism for that we don't really know there are people that have you know like um Dr Peter McCulla and others who have come up with protocols published and peer reviewed sort of literature to sort of help you know help with relieve that sort of thing into that because my husband's Army and we were the first US Army base to roll out that thingy that thing that we can't mention so yeah so and they were forced at that point I was a volunteer so yeah so welcome to the Army but um well you know and and the other thing too is you know could could damage some process and allow these things to get in and make it because you know the thing is is that you know we still don't know why the hell any of this would start in the first place now we know that autoimmunity is getting higher and higher and higher and higher and higher and and there other interesting things like people with um it's it's you know um people that get Ms are usually in the more um higher elevations yeah yeah and and latitudes right so you know closer to the Equator there's much much less and there's a number of autoimmune diseases that same thing you 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my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys well you know and the thing is is that um you know why is it that you know someone someone might get you know Ms or or something else um eating one way and other people eating that same way you know may not living in the same area having similar sort of um exposures you know we we don't we don't know exactly there could be again some sort of genetic predisposition or something happening but either way you know I I don't I don't necessarily think that my theory is perfect because it doesn't we don't necessarily know why it it does it for some people and not other people but it but in Practical terms it certainly seem seems to work and explain you know the the sort of The observed phenomenon that you you remove these insults and these exposures and the problem goes away even when the antibodies are elevated and that's really important and so when you have Hashimoto patients with um going on a strict carnivore diet their antibodies do come down slowly but takes a year and a half two years before that comes down to nothing but their thyroid function starts improving right away you know and that's important and people with cronis disease you you're G to have these antibodies they don't go away right away because if you have an infection and you have these expression of of antibodies yes they'll come down a bit if there's no active in infection but it comes down very slowly you you generally remain pretty high on your titer for years before that comes down to a very low basil rate but it never really goes away you know it needs to sort of be there in the background just in case that thing ever comes back that's when you get lifelong immunity and and um but so it can take years and years and years to come down but you know people with chonis disease within a month they're improving massively and and their body can heal the gut heals very quickly and this is like like celiac disease you stop eating this problem you know the body starts to heal and that's you know very different because it takes months and years for nervous tissue to heal it's very slow growing and so you know that's going to take longer that's going to take 6 months eight months before you're seeing sign significant Improvement in your neurological um you know your neurology and um and you need all all the other bits and pieces in place well you need enough B12 optimal levels of B12 you need DHA EPA you need cholesterol um you know vitamin D all these sorts of things you need those to be optimal and most people starting out are not optimal it takes month to come up yeah so you know there's a lot of these things but you know when you remove these these things completely the damage seems to stop anyway even though the antibodies are still present and remain present for years and the body starts to heal and so you know we're we're putting together um a study case series on uh patients with multiple sclerosis that have recovered and you within six months you know some in a couple months we're like okay well let's do like sort of a minimum six months to get some you know uh um you know see see what's happening at that point you know one guy has been doing this for like you know seven eight years he had primary Progressive multiple sclerosis he had multiple lesions throughout his brain and his spinal cord on his first presentation he had a 5 cm uh lesion on his brain stem and he was basically you know um going towards the you know being crippled and he just said look you know I'm he's very bright guy you know he's like um you know executive at a Fortune 500 companies he's like listen I go into companies that are failing and I figure out how to fix them I can do this for myself too and so he looked at it like okay this is a problem of inflammation I need to reduce inflammation what does the brain need what are the nerves need how do they grow and he did all those things he just came to it on his own you know you know you needed meat you needed fat you needed all these sorts of nutrients and need to get away from you know uh inflammatory foods and carbs and sugars and all that sort of stuff he completely reversed his condition and now he's in his 50s playing semi-professional volleyball and he has no no lesions like the there's like a bit of scar tissue that 5 cmet lesion on his brain stem is now 1/8 of an inch and it's a bit of scar tissue right see I can't when when is this case series gonna come out when this year hopefully yeah okay good because I I I want I want to read it um yeah because it it's it's crazy the amount that we've seen I think that's why I was so attracted to Healing humanity and like and volunteering and getting involved in it it's sad I haven't been able to go to any of the meetups and it's so like I've I've not met anybody in person so it kind of sucks um but um you're you're seeing all these people reverse things that we are taught that is completely unreversed it's Progressive it's chronic it's symptom management and hope for the best and we're seeing CAC scores reverse M which is insanity um we're seeing heart failure reverse autoimmune diseases reverse neurological conditions reverse Alzheimer's reversing and it's like it should be this should be splattered all over the news and it's not yeah definitely it's sad yeah and you guys like recently um I it just came across my newsfeed it was somebody's this guy does a carnivore diet and they they brought on this doctor that was like oh this is not good because it's not balanced and blah blah blah blah blah it doesn't have fiber like that's the only it does have fber like and then they pull out a PL and it was it was actually Dr Westman that was doing a video like like critiquing it and he was like they're like P they what you need is this this is a Mediterranean diet and he looked at the play he's like that's keto it's keto like yes that's a healthy diet right there because I don't see processed food I see protein and greens okay okay like yeah it's like they're gagging at gats and swallowing camels yeah why I always I always um I always like point out too you know Mediterranean is big place you know so so what what what mediterranian diet are we doing now are we doing the you know the the Spanish mediteranian the Italian the Greek GRE maybe the Syrian or the Moroccan or the Egyptian or the alerian or the Jew even Jews are very they have a very Mediterranean fish heavy like diet so yeah I mean it's a big big part of the map yeah well look I mean it's like that's what I'm saying yeah it's like they're all over the place you know it's just like yeah I do the I do the the Mediterranean diet it's like I the the the cuisine of Algeria it's like oh okay that's you know like what what is the what is a Mediterranean there is no one Mediterranean diet it's just nonsense I'm even going from Spain to the south of France wildly different quis different so um there's this is a a side a side note if anybody out that is watching needs to talk to their doctor and wants to say that they are on they can't say carnivore diet because they're going to flip their lid say I'm on a modified Mediterranean diet and that's it and that's it and then they will praise you all day long Yeah well yeah modified I'm I'm on a modified vegan diet I only eat vegans you know and so I only eat vegans yeah that's it um actually actually chicken I eat chicken sometimes occasionally and they're yeah they'll eat anything that's not vegan sorry I disgusting you make me sick listen my son eats did I didn't tell you what my kids eat my son gets up and he's a CrossCountry Runner nice he eats a pound of bacon every morning nice he he eats a modified PB&J for lunch so it's egg white bread and no sugar plain peanut butter and then no sugar like fruit only jam and he's he's got texture issues so it has to be only certain fruits it can't can't be anything else and then he eats like two to three pounds of chicken thighs for dinner every day that's what he eats and some he'll eat like pecans and and cashews like as a snack but he's very like yeah this is what I eat every day that's his brand of autism he's like actually the more I eat it the more I love it so like yeah yeah and how have they done since you change diet and things like that with them so Jacob's pretty interesting so Jacob did not hit puberty right he was 14 and still he was O obese he was only about five foot tall and okay we're short people so we're just little people anyway I'm 52 and 3/4 my husband is 5'6 and 3/4 my son is now 5'9 so it did wonders for him so he grew beyond the our capacity um so he didn't hit puberty he was 14 his voice hadn't started to change not even a crack and only had secondary characteristics he was like stuck in like Tanner stage like three he was just like stuck there and we started to get really worried and I was like Jake you've got to do something you look like your uncle did at his age and he he didn't hit puberty right either and he had to go on testosterone therapy and like all these things so he cried and reluctantly said that he would and he's got um what is um like a resistant eating disorder where um it has to do with textures and they will like gag and vomit and textures so we had to be very careful on how we proceeded and we finally found that he liked bacon and uh he liked chicken uh either chicken wings or chicken thighs and you know I had to figure out a modified PB&J because he wasn't giving that up and so and so that's what I did and within f it was five months he had shot up he had like fully hit puberty he had lost weight he was running cross country and doing well and it was it was pretty astounding actually like seeing what he went through now his his autism is less severe um socially but in emotionally he had more of the uh em like his emotional intelligence was not very good so that improved dramatically and he was able to make friends and be more sociable and join a team it was it was really it was really cool you can anybody wants to watch um his interview like with um Alia it's on her Channel and it's just it it's pretty interesting listening listening to him talk about it because I was just like Al the picture I was like you go you just you just talk about what you want to talk about and let just let him go and he was like it's magic it was magic you know so okay it was magic whatever but you know it's not magic it's science um but with Audrey so her ADHD is really good so she has comorbid autism ADHD and obsessive compulsive disorder so my husband has legit OCD called scrupulosity and he is also on like um mod modified carnivore he'll still eat like a a few vegetables like he does like or fruits I guess because he loves olives um you know so there's some things he still eats and it did not do anything for his OCD it don't know why um but so she got that from him and her ADHD is much better she sits down and she can focus and do her school work and that has been huge you know for her um still working on her OCD her autism it didn't change her autism um so I mean I guess maybe a maybe a little her emotional intelligence has gotten better um but she's still awkward she's just that awkward girl that's she's very she's very different she's very smart she's got she's got a vocabulary that beats out most uh College yeah yeah so that's one of her Specialties I mean everyone goes through awkward phases as well you know just through adolescence you know and and so that that's certainly you know uh not you know not necessarily something she she can't you know grow out of and and work on had a decade behind yeah well you know and as long as she's you know still moving progressing yeah yeah and um is it have you have you guys ever been like you been able to get them to a point where they're really at least ketogenic in their in their approach they are ke they are like Jacob's almost always in ketosis when I've stuck him even with the fruit sort of stuff even with the fruit it's pretty well because we did it for so long without fruit that I didn't let him out it back so he's pretty flexible now he can go in and out of ketosis um a lot of people call that metabolic flexibility I don't know if that's really a thing or I don't know I it's a theory that I'm not 100% sold on yet but um Audrey almost always is unless she sneaks something she is an emotional eater so I have to be very careful and she will slam a whole block of cheese if I let her and I have to be I have to be very careful cheese in our family just doesn't go very well so you know cheese I found is very evil is very for my thyroid like I will eat cheese it'll be parmesan be good stuff yeah and my the next day my thyroid is like I'm like I can't swallow I can't feel it well and I'm a singer so it's like that was my first degree I have I have Bachelor's of Fine Arts I have a a piece of paper says I can sing on stage and promote myself um and I know it's funny and then I went into medicine but it's like um then I can't sing like when it th when it swells you can't hardly sing like it presses so hard on on the vocal cords well on the voice box but tangentially you know yeah yeah so no cheese for me yeah but I mean that's that's a common trigger for for autoimmunity why why does it have to be cheese I know yeah I think you know the casan can be a bit pro-inflammatory it can you lead to leaky gut as well if you already have leaky gut then cause problems as well and you know there could be more to this too you know if you're if you're causing leaky gut you know could be that there's different bacteria and things like that that are also getting in and that's contributing to it as well and so even if you're not eating plant toxins that can do this something else may be getting in that could be contributing to it as well so you know just yeah those sorts of things but you know what what people notice is that if you you know as as strictly as you can y red meat and water ruminant meat and water seems to do the best for autoimmunity and and so for whatever reason that is you know it does seem to be the case and and that's what people have have the best results on I feel the best when I eat like I my diet consists daily of beef I do still eat butter and I eat eggs and now I will occasionally eat I will occasionally eat chicken um and I do still have some some seasonings I have to be very picky and choose I can't do night shades um you know but yeah so I'm pretty strict when it comes to the meats that I eat I can't do pork I can do bacon but I can't do pork belly it's really what like that's yeah it's the same cut and then added more to it with the bacon yeah it makes absolutely no sense but I can do bacon but I can't do pork belly every time I eat pork belly I get sick to my stomach I also can't do yogurt either yeah not even the yogurt that I make like I've made the El rudai MH okay nope there's there's none of that yeah all right well so um so so what do you do as well with your work with healing humanity and um and those guys so it's started like I'm I'm on the production team so I I basically they tell me what to do I'm the assistant so they tell me what to do and I go do it um a I did some interviews like when people were interviewing to be in the documentary I they would schedule interviews and it would be with me and I would just sit and talk to them like like we're talking and they would tell their story and then that video would go to the people who made decisions and and like that's that's how I did that which is how I got comfortable in front a camera interestingly enough so it's like the more you do it yeah yeah definitely and how's the how's the project coming along when can we expect to see a sneak peek I wish I knew I you know I wish I knew I'm part of the core team and I wish that I knew um so we've still got some people that we're um doing some b-roll footage for so that part of that is scheduled for April in Tennessee and I think there's an somebody else in June that they're going to be going so we're hoping we're hoping sometime the fall but but again I don't I don't know I don't do the funding part I don't do the like the production and like how long it takes to edit and all that stuff so I'm not party to that there's a good community over at um healing humanity. lifee though if people want to get in there and just be a part of a really good Community I mean there's a lot of great communities out there um you know because Dr Barry's got his community healing Humanity has one I think you have one um I get your newsletter um so you know everybody's got some great communities I think people need to definitely join them you can you can defin give a lot of support and obviously there's um you know having that sort of community aspect is sort of nice because a lot of times people are feeling very ostracized and own personal life their family's against them their doctors against them everyone around them thinks they're crazy and and if if you're um you know very strong willed and you know and you and you know that you're on the right path and you feel better you know you can you can weather that and but um it's not always it's not always easy and um uh I uh I I I just see people do a lot better when they have people around them that can sort of make them feel like a little less weird and even like that you don't have to pay for that you know if you're if you're if you're learning you don't know how to do it there's so many free resources out there but if you need more handholding there are places that you can do that but as far as a community is concerned there are a lot of great ones that that incorporate both of those but then there's also free ones there's so many Facebook groups that um that are free and you just have other people yeah well there's I was going to say that too there there're some are weird and um and some are and some are not good and some arex police you got the keto and the carnivore police you know yeah and I'm like guys I think that we need as a community um something that I'm very I'm very anti-dogmatic because I you go out and you tell people well I eat only meat and you should do that too people are going to be like flipping you off I was going to just I'm going to be nice and not do that um and it's like you we have to get people to slowly transition I think it's more like let's introduce them to the dark side before we pull back the curtain and say Hey you really should only be eating you know um beef salt and water uh because it's not realistic for 100% of everybody and I think that people are more likely to change if you're like how about we just start by removing processed foods and sugars and Grains and eat more meat don't be afraid of the F yeah and then event then be like and then let's talk about like what it is does how did that food make you feel which is brings me to my book did I I show told you I have the a workbook oh there you go yeah so I did a workbook and there's like a comprehensive I built a I'm a nurse and with an autoimmune disease so I built a symptom tracker two pages so it's two pages of medical symptoms and autoimmune symptoms and you can track it and be like oh this food did this to me this and like like oh well maybe maybe we should take that out and see how that goes for a week oh well your and then you added it back in and your symptoms came back well may maybe you know you shouldn't have that like some I had to rip the Band-Aid off because I'm not a moderator I'm an abstainer and yeah but there are people that they can't they can't just they can't rip the Band-Aid off like yeah yeah and so yeah so it's good it's good to have it's good to have different different avenues for people to go down depending on what what works best for them as far as you know what they want to do a lot of people don't necessarily want to change their life even if it means remaining sick and other people want to do it but they don't can't quite get their head around doing it just all in one go so there's there's always different ways of doing it I think that's the thing that that hurts my heart the most is people that that are sick and they too that's difficult you know when you when you know look this can help you and they're just like not interested um thankfully in my prti insulin yeah thankfully in my my practice it's a bit more specialized because I I get people that are you know not like a family medicine practice where I'm just seeing people come in oh I just want a a this or that I'm seeing people who have not had good success and results with the medical system and they're tired of it they want good results they they they they are well intentioned and well and highly motivated and the the traditional treatments and recommendations have failed them and they're like look I've I've eaten less I've moved more I've done this I've done that it's just like none of it's none of it's working and I'm getting worse and worse and worse and on more and more medications you know this this can't this there has to be something else and so then you know they're highly motivated to to actually do something else it's like okay well look this is this is why this is wrong look at your blood work this is why this is this is the way it is you change the way you eat you change your lifestyle in this ways you should get these results and how you feel and how you um look and how your blood uh results come out and um and you know you make you make a strong you can make a strong case for that and they're highly motivated people so it's not it's not um it's it's the vast majority I mean I mean it's nearly 100% I can at least get to try it yeah 98% will stay on it someone go okay well maybe like a modified ketogenic sort of approach but I sort of need a bit more variety and and a couple of those people came back to me within a month and said yeah I need to go back to just strict carnivore because I was just feeling so much better I didn't even realize how much better I was feeling without the salads you know and then they come back in and it's just like yeah no I got to get rid of these stupid things because I just I just feel so much better and I'm the same way I want I want to give people the information that they need to they don't need me they don't you know unless something happens and there's a problem which is what medicine is supposed to be that they're just healthy and and they have the skills to remain healthy and the knowledge to remain healthy and then if there's a problem and there's an accident and they need surgery or some sort of emergency care then there's the the hospital system and that's great you know it's amazing that we can do that for people and that's really interesting medicine that's what I got into medicine for is that that real life and death sort of stuff and but now it's you know 90 plus% the issues we treat these chronic debilitating issues even surgical Specialties you're dealing with Cancers you're dealing with degenerative spines and joints and things like that that you have to you know fuse or replace or you know do some some other sort of you know surgical um alteration for so you know that's not how it used to be you know it used to you had an injury and then you know you had he needed some sort of surgery or something like that so I really want to get it back to that I want to get it back to just you know just the accidents and emergencies being you know the main issues that people have to deal with and the chronic diseases just go away yeah birth birth I think that you know midwives yeah yeah yeah yeah and all all the things that you know that aren't chronic disease related that you know I mean that that was that was what we did it was it was pregnancy and childbirth um you know congenital and genetic issues infectious disease um injuries and uh and like poisoning exposures toxicities you know getting snake bite or you know eating St you know you know like some sort of you know poison ivy or something like that now it's all chronic diseases but really that that Sixth and then you know malnutrition all that sort of stuff and um you know but now it's really this this chronic disease stuff right but that's really just you know toxic exposure poisoning and nutrition combined now it's just exploded and that's 90% of what we treat we need to get back down to like this tiny little subset of the issues we treat and and then just people get on with their lives and just be healthy can you imagine the tens of trillions of dollars that that just would flood back into you know society and and like the direction ucation system like the education system like the amount of money that we spend on sitare I think that I can't remember what the I can't remember remember what the figure was but the amount of money spent on diabetic medications yearly just grows exponentially I think it was like 70 billion or oh it's probably more than that you know in in America um it's it accounts for like 75% of the Medicare Medicaid budgets you know or or more now it's it's it's insane and it's reversable yeah or completely preventable it doesn't need to exist type two diabetes that is yeah yeah and it's insane no it is it is absolutely insane I me all these things are and so I mean so it's really good to have you know more people that have have seen this and now you know going in and getting going further in their careers to be a nurse practitioner and provider and and can actually start doing real medicine and getting people actually healthy so that um yeah we sort of get out of this you know that's that's and get us back to what what medicine used to be I want to not have a job I want to not be a reason for me to be around as a job and then it'll force me to go into trauma medicine although I really have no I have no desire for trauma medicine notada yeah yeah I I really like surgery and trauma but that's what you thinking is like okay so what what should I focus on if we can get rid of this chronic side of things you know I mean realistically in from the span of my career there probably going to be enough you know collateral damage there's still going to be a lot of you know degenerative spot and and you know Cancers and things like that down the road there's going to be unfortunately plenty of work for everybody but hopefully we can get this down in the next 10 20 years that you know that that chronic buildup and damage doesn't happen for the next Generation on and that's what I would like I would like to just and and so I think about okay well what am I going to do you know if I win you know I need to I need to think of something else like okay well let's focus on the trauma side of things and just actually be there for people when there's an accident which is is what which is what I like to do so um do you think you'll ever come back to the United States to practice 100% yeah absolutely I just don't know when yet it's just with all life and family and things like that you know just have to figure but yeah that's that's definitely the plan the goal for sure yeah well Becca thank you so much for taking the time out it was really fun conversation and hopefully everyone got a lot out of that uh where can people find you and support you and and get your book my book's on Amazon so it's self-published on Amazon there's actually there's two so uh because it's really expensive if I would have put it all together so and nobody's gonna pay $50 for that so the ketogenic workbook it has a basically starting out so if you're an a beginner doing keto or if you're switching from keto to carnivore um it's basically there's a one- month planner in here plus like what to eat what not to eat and symptom trackers and food planners and everything that You' need to kind of get you going in the right track and then there's a three-month planner that you can get like if you're like oh I really like that organizational tool like how I laid everything out and you can get a three-month planner also so um that's on Amazon and you just it's Rebecca bavy Reb e k a h b a v r y um and you'll find me um on YouTube I'm you also just put in my name and you'll find me for some reason put in Rebecca Barry b a r r y it also brings me up not quite sure how that happened very strange but it is there um and I'm on I have a Facebook under keeping at keto that's my company name and my website is what iso.com I don't know how I scored that one but yay cool all right and I can send you all the links and you can put in whatever you want please do yeah you send those to me I'll make sure that they get in the description so people hopefully be able to see them down below okay all right Becca thank you so much for coming on it's been a pleasure to to talk to you and and to get 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