The Unholy Trinity with Daniel Trevor!

[Music] Hello everyone. Thank you for joining me for another episode of The Plant-Free MD. I'm your host, Dr. Anthony Chaffy, and today I have a very special guest, Mr. uh Daniel Trevor, who is the author of a new book that's coming out, unholy trinity. Daniel, thank you so much for coming on. Hey, Dr. C. How are the Anthony the Plant-Free MD? Yeah, I love it. I'm a big fan. I love your content. In fact, I was just watching uh with Thomas Safe Freed and you go at it. It was really Yeah, it's quite he that guy is like wow, you know, you and him together with all that data was just so wonderful. So, anyway, yeah, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Oh, you're very welcome and so and thank you for coming on. It's it's um it's going to be great to talk. Um absolutely. Yeah. So, for people who haven't come across you before, can you please uh tell us a bit about you and what you do? Well, uh, my story is, as you can see behind me, I wrote this book and it was a result of, um, about five years ago, I had a heart attack and I almost died. And I thought I was Mr. Healthy. That wasn't supposed to happen to me, right? And so, having studied technical data all my life, I decided to take a dive into the medical science and nutrition science to find out how could this happen to me. And what I discovered absolutely blew my mind. It shocked and infuriated me. It really pissed me off because I discovered, look, I was just like everybody else. What we've been told to eat for decades, 70 years or so, has been killing us. And I didn't know any about anything about low carb and this. I was total believing in the whole propaganda and BS of hearthealthy whole grains. And you know, I didn't know that they turn into sugar when they go in your body and all that. And so anyway, I had to take the dive into that. So after the heart attack, I I went to Google University and YouTube University and PubMed and all these different places, you know, immersed myself in the studies and and the books and so forth. And I found a lot of, you know, medical geniuses like yourself on the cutting edge of medical uh modern medical science and metabolic health. You know, I found Ivor Cumins and Dr. Ford Brewer and Eric Berg and you know, David Pearl Mutter and you know, a lot of geniuses that were turning me on to this um whole low carb area. Uh diets that put you into what's called ketosis, as you know all about. And um and then I just I got a ton of lab tests because what I did was I discovered all these tests and I I reached out to Dr. Ford Brewer who's brilliant at all the tests. He's taught thousands of doctors over 30 years at John's Hopkins and uh he's brilliant at all the testing. And um I reached out to him. I said, "Look, I'm writing this book blah blah blah." I had to send him some, of course, and I said, "Would you write a chapter on in my book delineating what are the most important blood labs and scans that anyone can get online without needing a doctor's prescription? That way, you yourself can find out if you got something lurking ready to pounce or you're just fine or somewhere in between that needs attention." And um because you know too frequently what happens is and you know this you know this better than I you go to your doctor and uh you say hey I was on u I was watching this Dr. Chaffy and I s I heard about this test and this other one I'd like to get these two tests and he might go oh you're fine you don't need it you're fine. The only reason he's saying is because he doesn't know what it is. Wouldn't know how to interpret the results anyway. And the last thing that of course you know the doctors want to get from their patients is homework. They don't want homework. They want to do their what I call their now I'm supposed to right. Patient presents with XYZ. Now I'm supposed to ABC. Patient presents with QRS. Now I'm supposed to do DEF. Right? So they're they're locked into these um you know it's drugs and procedures and drugs and procedures and more drugs and more procedures and and uh I just think it's wonderful that you are so closely connected to all that and you can see you've seen behind the curtain so many times and it's like wow we really need to change things. Anyway that's what happened to me. So I wrote the book and I I did a lot of research. Again, I was fortunate enough to very early on learn how to study well so I could confront um the terminology and nomenclature and that kind of thing and uh take the dive. And my book, I'm proud to say that is um you know, it's got more scientific citations than any other health and wellness book out there. It's you know, most of them have two or 300 if they have any, which is good. So you can see where the the information the person's coming uh providing where it's coming from. Mine has 1,227. So I tell the I said, "Look, none of this is my opinion. You know, this isn't Daniel's opinion. Um and just think of me as a friendly relay point of what the best of 21st century science has to offer for your health and wellness and fix yourself. I did. You can too." Nice. And so when is that is that out now? Is that coming out soon? Yeah. No, no, no. It's uh it came out last year actually about a year ago now. Yeah. And then uh and then I started getting on these uh podcasts. The first big one I had were the the one that had let's see I've been on all of your colleagues. What really put the book on the map was last about a year ago I was on with and it was my first um my first big one. It was with Dr. Ken Bry and I'm talking to his people and I'm saying wait he has how many millions of followers? Mhm. Oh well. I I said, "Oh, no." I said, "So if we mess up, we can go back and edit that part up if I mess up, right?" Oh no, it's a live stream. I went, "Holy shit." So I thought, "Oh my god." Okay. So they said, "What's the matter?" I said, "Well, I did write the book and I do know the data, but knowing the data and running it smoothly over my tongue, that's a little different, you know." So and um oh, you'll be just fine. Don't worry. So, we took the dive and we went into it and I did stumble here and there a couple of places, but that shot the book to number one on Amazon for heart disease, type two diabetes, and longevity. And I went, whoa, I got to do some more of these more of these interviews, right? So, then I've been on, you know, um I was on with Sean Baker and he was telling me how he found keto first before I got to carnivore. First thing he found was keto and he was getting amazing results. And me too, because after I had the heart attack, I found out about all these tests from Ford Brewer and I had a I got a shitload of them done because I wanted to be able to have a benchmark where I could measure my, you know, the labs from point A to point B and six months, three months down the line and uh to know that I'm really making progress. And so it was just amazing uh what I was able to discover and because I'm telling you what we've been told to eat is just killing us. And I think of the book as um three things basically. It's a how-to on how I reversed four comorbidities that I'll tell you about. And it's also a bit of an expose on big food, big pharma, and big medicine. Um now having said that, I'm sure they're beautiful, wonderful people in all three of those things. In fact, even my older daughter Khloe works in the ER, um, you know, for 10 years now. And so, um, I love all of them. They've saved my life, too, right? But there are certain aspects of each of them that are just on the edge of ethics there, right? And then I, it's also what I consider um what you might think of as a situation and data evaluation and analysis of this. In 1930, the obesity rate in in the United States was 1%. We are now approaching 50% in under a hundred years, a mere hundred years. In 1930, the uh chronic illness rate was 7.5%, it's now over 60%. Never before in human history has a population this size gotten so fat and so sick so quickly, you got to say, "What the hell is happening?" And when you pull the strings and you do the analysis, it's the introduction of what I call the unholy trinity in the 20th century. The carbs, the sugar, and the oils in the amounts and concentrations never before seen. I mean, of course, sugar's been around a long time. Found I in fact I found a reference uh it was invented and cultivated in India. Uh it was referenced in the um this religious text called the Aarva. That's about 1,200 to 1500 BC. So that's been around a long time. But you know, like I said, never in the amounts and concentrations. For example, Hershey's made their first candy bar in 1900. What a way to start a century, right? With a candy bar. And then all the other candies started coming after that, too. And wheat is only been around what, about 9,000 years. I have a whole chapter on that. And its addictive uh nature. You probably know about that, too. Um, yeah. So, it's it's it's pretty wild. So, you know, we're just trying to wake people up uh because there seems to be vested interests that want to keep us fat, sick, and addicted. And that's the sub part of the subtitle. The book is unholy trinity subtitle, how carbs, sugar, and oils make us fat, sick, and addicted and how to escape their grip because they are, you know, addictive. I mean, I I went through it, too. You know, you have to first I give a lot of tips and tricks on how I got through it and how other people get through it too because you got to make your list of what are the things that you cannot live without. Well, I got this, this, and this. Or it could be 10 times that list, right? And then your next task is to find delicious but healthy substitutes for all those unhealthy things, things that you can live with. um you know, instead of a wheat and grainbased pizza, you make an almond flour or some something different until you can get away from all the grains and plants. Uh you know, there's just you have to do it little by little because some people can't handle just jumping right into it. So, I just say, look, take your time if you need to, but do that kind of thing. And then I get into whole intermittent fasting. It's it's based on how we ate for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years, right? the anthropologists and bioarchchaeologists have told us, look, we've been we became the apex predator. And then we uh you know, our diet always consisted of what we could catch, kill, and eat nose to tail. And what we might pick off a tree or a vine, but only when that those berries were in season, right? Mhm. Uh but that was it. Yeah. And um you know, I I heard this argument the other day, so I'll I'll run it by you, that well, chronic diseases are more prevalent now just because medicine's gotten so good. We've gotten rid of all the acute things, so they're just gone now. And so now it's just the chronic diseases are left over. How how does that hold? How does that argument hold in your mind? Oh my god. Well, look, here's the thing. It's like we didn't have these as you know and a lot of this stuff I'm just saying for your audience but in 1900 and prior people died of infectious diseases like tuberculosis, influenza, pneumonia, that kind of thing. Maybe some gastro inter uh gastroenterteritis and things like that. Um the very first medically recorded heart attack wasn't until 1912. I mean, I'm sure they may have happened throughout history, but the first medical uh one that was officially recorded is 1912. And cancer wasn't even like a thing, as they say, until the 30s. And so, it was the introduction of all these the when I say carbs, let me define what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about your industrially refined and processed grains which they then turn into powders which they then turn into bread, pasta, cereal, waffles, pancakes, tortillas, and on and on that way, right? And then we have candy, cake, ice cream, soda, fruit juice, and on and on. And then the oils. Oh my god. Um, I was very fortunate to write when I wrote my chapter six, which is all, you know, the shocking truth about vegetable oils. I I was able to get some charts and data from Nina Ty Schultz, uh Dr. Chris Kenobi and Dr. Kate Shanahan. And these three are the at the forefront of the whole vegetable oil scam and how poisonous they are because they have these ingredients, these chemicals that was it TBHQ and HNE which is four hydroxyonol uh aldahhides like in cigarettes u you know nhexane these things are carcinogenic neurodeenerative and seven to 10 times more likely to cause inflammation and heart disease. It's like, wow. So, those are the unholy trinity because when you go down the the aisles of the supermarket, you pick up these packages. All three are there. Yeah. In most things. In not all, but you know, in most things, but uh yeah, they're putting the oils in just about everything you can imagine. The crackers and the peanuts and everything else. So, yeah. Yeah. And then Yeah. And sugar and everything and processed carbs and things like that. Well, I mean, they're cheap. Sugar is addictive. it tastes nice, you know, and uh and you don't want any of that evil saturated fat, so they put in the heart healthy heat oils that have never existed in human history. Um it's it is very strange, but I mean there there's so much propaganda and misinformation that's been that's been drumed around for the last century at least more than that, but um at least a century. And um it's just picking picking through that and people get very insensible. No, no, no. The data shows no the the data that you're talking about is is um the the corrupt propaganda that we're talking about. You know, this is stuff that people have come out and you know, Proctor and Gamble paid off uh the American Heart Association to say that that seed oils were heart healthy and that that um animal fats were were bad for the heart. it with no evidence. Absolutely not. Based on no evidence, you know, they just said because they got paid, you know, and there's so much more. It's it's it's just money. It's just it seems like I don't know. You look at throughout history when you get human beings next to money, something weird happens. Yeah. And I cover those two guys, William Proctor and James Gamble. They came from Europe and they wound up in Ohio. They looked at a bucket of this uh cotton seed oil which was you know they didn't even make it until was 1865 I think and it looked like lard which people used to um cook with and they thought hey let's uh let's let's sell it to people make some money and so Krisco they invented this started flying off the shelves in 1911 and oh my god and it turns out that we didn't find out until the 90s that Krisco has more trans fats which have been proven now to be the most dangerous fat you can put in your body than any other food. And Krisco was in, you know, they put it in everything. So anyway, and then in 2015, I think it was, the FDA ordered all manufacturers to get trans fats out of the um um out of the food supply and all their products and everything. But still what happens is as you know and I cover this in my chapter six on that um is that when you heat up these oils they be they they create more trans fats and all of these chemicals they get activated and everything they cause hyperphasia which causes you to eat more. Uh it's just a major um destroyer of health, the oils, the seed oils. And people think, well, oh, you know, I can't, you know, and I tell them, you look, if you want to, if you have to have some oil, then try authentic olive oil, you know, maybe some avocado oil or coconut oil, but try to get try to get away from all of them. And again, I just try to advise people to just do it do the best they can on a gradient scale. and um you know to eventually get away from it because I think the worst ones uh the worst food people are eating are the plant-based uh the wheat and grains. Those seem to create more cardiovascular um bad effects than anything else. Yeah. And and why why do you think that is that they're they're sort of the worst of the of the three? Well, here's the thing. Um, my book has a lot of graphs and charts and images and photos. I like to give the reader an easy time of it so they can understand. They can understand when a graph's going like this on obesity or whatever, right? And I have a picture in chapter one, first couple of chapters, I like to show the reader how we got here, how we get to this state, you know, where I'm Mr. Healthy and I'm having a heart attack. I'm think, you know, it's like so back in uh the 50s they uh you know, well, you know about Anel Keys and his all his nonsense. They were pushing these high carb, low-fat diet because he had this concept that it was the meat and the butter and the cheese that was clogging up the arteries and everything. And many years later, they discovered this thing called electron microscopy, which of course you know about, which is where they snake up these teeny tiny cameras into the arteries where they can see what's going on. And they discovered this thing called the glycoalix. What is that? The glycoalix is this fuz-like lining of the artery walls, which acts as the first line of defense against what's called pattern B, small, dense LDL particles. That's the first line of defense, right? And what they discovered was smoking, which was an epidemic back then, destroys the glycoalics, right? Smoking destroys it. It was like, you know, doctors were smoking around their patients, planes, restaurants, everywhere, right? And then um what they discovered also years later was that a bigger destroyer a worse destroyer of the glycoalix the protective layer is carbohydrates from refined grains and sugars. So we substituted one destroyer of the glycoalix with another one that's worse and so people are now and then that's why the obesity rate is graph is going like this and uh you know heart disease is just grow going out the roof. We I was discussing that with Dr. Philip Ovadia when I was on with him um you know your colleague and carnivore friend uh and yeah so it's just amazing. So that's see the grains really help um I think they're they exacerbate the you know the infiltration the small dense what happens in a heart attack is after you eat all of these small dense LDL foods that lead to the small dense LDL they invade the artery wall through transytosis they get stuck in what's called the inimia space they build up plaque over time after it takes you know friendly fire from the immune system I mean you foam cells and macroofagages and it builds up this soft inflamed plaque. At some point in a future stress moment, whether it's physical stress, emotional stress, or both, that inflamed liquid plaque can rupture through the already damaged artery wall, spills into the lumen where the blood flows, touches blood, creates a clot, it breaks off and goes downstream, so to speak. And if it goes to your heart, you have a heart attack. And if it goes to your brain, you have a stroke. And so that's the short story of what a heart attack is. And they're created by these small dense LDL particles, mostly from the grains. Sugars are a couple too, of course. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing, you know. I mean, and and that's even if if it's Yeah. If these these cholesterol molecules like the small dense LDL particles are contributing to that, it's they wouldn't exist if we weren't eating grains and sugar and carbs and things like that too because they're getting glycated and damaged. And so for example, this is a large buoyant fluffy LDL that we make on purpose because it's part of our biological design and helps with the immune system, helps with wound healing and um and and nutrient transport around the body. That's not going to cause any of those problems. And so and and that's the thing too. It's interesting the you know the uh you know recent studies have shown that that um type 2 diabetes increases your risk of uh developing heart disease by a thousand%. Metabolic syndrome which is sort of you know it can be accompanied by by diabetes um they usually go hand in hand uh increases by 600%. SDLDL, small dense LDL, it's only 70%. And and the things that that the diabet things that cause the diabetes and metabolic syndrome are causing the the SDLDL to form as well. So it's all it's all part of the same package. And so you do the same thing that gets rid of all that. You go onto a ketogenic diet, you eat whole food, you cut out the seed oils, sugars, grains, things like that. You just eat normal food and all that goes away. And we and we have clinical trials showing that. and and more and more clinicians are are using that effectively in their patient population to the extent that um ketogenic diets have now been classified as best practice for treating type 2 diabetes in Australia. So that's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean that's mainstream medicine now, right? 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And I'm telling you, yeah, and I got to tell you, well, listen, one of my co-orbidities and Dr. Joseph Craft back in the 70s discovered this, you know, the craft insulin survey guy and he from doing thousands of autopsies autopsies, he discovered that you can't have heart disease without being having some degree of diabetic physiology. Yeah. It's just the way it is. And he was proved right, you know, decades later. And turns out, hey, that was me. You know, usually the first sign or symptom that you have uh type two diabetes or, you know, at least pre-diabetes is that you're overweight, right? You got a belly. You're there if you've got that. And I didn't have that. I was I was one of the 1% that could be on the slim side uh and still be a raging type two diabetic. That was me. And that was the source root cause of my cardiovascular disease. and my NAFLD, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. But how could I have that? I don't drink, no drugs. I mean, I'm already silly enough, right? And so, it turns out that it was this stuff called high fructose corn syrup. Who knew? Because in the morning, I would have a whole grain granola that had to have at least 60 or 70 grams of carbohydr. And I'm sure it had some high fructose corn syrup, some HFCs. And then for lunch, I'd have a two whole grain pieces of bread with uh you know, lowfat turkey breast, right? Of course, low fat. So, I was into all of it. And I'm I'm just like the regular person. I didn't know. I mean, you think that well, if it was bad for me in the supermarket, if this food were bad for me, they wouldn't be for sale, right? Because attorneys would get involved. Yeah. But it's not they wouldn't let it happen. It's like who's they exactly? Oh my god. I got to tell you. And the the doctors, they just don't get the education as you well stated. They just don't learn this. In fact, I I moved about two years ago and I I wanted to get a um an echo cardiogram because I like to get one of those once a year to keep an eye on my ejection fraction. And um so I went to this cardiologist just to get that right and he said I said yeah well I got my labs I'm look it looks look great and everything and uh the first question he said was so how's your LDL and I I didn't roll my eyes I wanted to but I said yeah well it's out the roof but I'm in superior metabolic health my HDL's 96 my triglycerides are 38 and I went on and all that way and I said I'm a lean mass hyper responder. Anyway, he was looking at me like I had two heads. He didn't know what I was talking about. I'm trying to explain to him the whole cholesterol theory and it's really been disproven that, but he wasn't hearing it because he's in a practice and he's subscribing to all of the now I'm supposed to. Patient comes in, he's got high LDL, you get a script for avastatin, right? Um 80 milligrams. Oh, by the way, I have a whole chapter on statins. Chapter 18. Oh my god. Uh, like you said, I heard you say one time there was the been the biggest cash cow ever for big pharma. It's just pretty amazing. But um, I got to tell you, so I was a type two diabetic. I had NF NLD, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and the cardiovascular disease. And I also had this osteoporosis, which I have a whole chapter on, chapter 13. And one of the first studies I cover in that chapter is how it's arriving younger and at younger and younger ages, they're finding it. There was this one study between 35 and 50 people with osteopenia and osteoporosis. And it's because of the onslaught of the unholy trinity, the carbs, the sugar, and the oils. And you know, people there's no education on any of this. And that's why um you know, really wanted to get this book out there. and I'm I'm thrilled that it's you know it's been doing well and that kind of thing. So anyway, those were my four coorbidities and I should tell you about talk about corruption. You know about the eskeeia trial from u anyway there was this large government funded trial hund00 million dollars and involved um 5,179 patients two groups one group they gave invasive procedures cabbage cabg which is coronary artery bypass graph or PCI perccutaneous coronary intervention which is one or more stances the other group they sent him in the direction of lifestyle, you know, lose 30 pounds, get back to the gym, uh, stop eating the Fritos and all that kind of stuff, right? And they followed them closely for four years, and at the end of the four years, they found that it was there was no difference in outcomes. The Eskeeia trial failed to show that these invasive procedures were any good at preventing heart attacks and strokes. M and then came the Orbita trial with the same thing and the courage trial. These they were big failures and it rocked the cardiology community. And I asked the reader in the book I said okay so after all these failures uh do you think they the the graph would start to slow down on the doing of all of these invasive procedures? It's like this it's going out the roof. Now they are to be clear they are life-saving interventions in emergency situations. you know, person's having a heart attack or there's something that comes up in the hospital, it's emergency, but that's only 15% of the time. The other 85% of the time, they're done for prevention. And these studies prove that they don't work for prevention. So, I tell the reader and I say, "Look, if your doctor's suggesting one of these procedures, show him these studies. Then he'll know that you know, and then you ask him, so explain to me again why you think I should do this. Yeah. Anyway, it's just Well, it was bad, too, because you know, to your point, I you know, most doctors are actually do care about their patients. They want to do the right thing. Absolutely. Others maybe not so much, you know, because like I mean, we we talk about, you know, doctors certainly back in the day, you know, doctors were the people going around dissecting little, you know, forest creatures and things like that. there's probably a bit something wrong with them and there's just like these just sociopaths like mix mixing in in society. Um whether that's true or not that was sort of the the impression people got. But you know um but you know people are people and some people have um you know poor motivations. They get into medicine for the wrong reasons. And you know if you want to make money just go into business make way more money than you'll ever make in in medicine. It's it's so much easier too to like it's just the hoops you have to jump through to go through medicine and actually start making money 20 years down the road is ridiculous. Um and you know maybe not that long but in some parts of the world it is that long because it's a much longer training period. And so I was at a conference in England last year and um and they were there were there's a panel of of cardiologists and lipidologists and things like that were talking about this and the the moderator was an interventional cardiologist and he was all about prevention about preventing heart disease and trying to you know like what can we do to prevent heart disease and he was talking to a colleague of his about that another interventionalist and the colleague of his this is this is a you know you boardcertified, you know, interventional cardiologist in the UK, um, who said, "I don't want to try to prevent heart disease." Like, that's my business, you know, like I want there to be more heart disease. I want to do more procedures. I want to do more stances because I make more money that way. That's my business. My business is that and that I mean that guy should should have lost his license. I mean, that that's disgusting, you know? Like you He actually said that out loud. said that he said that out loud to this other cardiologist like I don't I don't want to prevent heart disease. I want more heart disease so that we can so I can make more money and do more procedures. You know, it's it's absolutely sick. I mean, you think about that what that means. You're talking about the the preponderance of human. It's not like he's the only one doing these procedures. Everyone's doing procedures. He's getting a small percentage of that. So, you have to massively expand heart disease across the population. causing millions and millions and millions more people dying prematurely and suffering along the way so that he can get, you know, a few more a week, right? And so he can make more money. And then the amount of money those things cost, those things can be, you know, $10,000, $12,000 per stent. And so you're putting in three, four, five stent. He's getting what? $1,000 for that. you know, and so you're you're costing people, you're costing the system, you're costing insurance and, you know, everything else tens of thousands of dollars so you can make and and millions of people millions more people getting heart disease and suffering so you can get an extra grand, you know? It's just amazing. It's just what's wrong with your brain, you know, like you're happy with that so that you can make a couple extra grand a week, you know? Yeah. It's just it's just a shame uh when you look at it from a human standpoint. Um you know it the total opposite of that is our colleague Dr. Philip Ovedia. His book is stay off my operating table. That's right. That's a total opposite. And uh you know he's trying to get people aware like you are and I am to not eat these things. And um you know it's just it's all money because oh boy back in the 80s as you probably know smoking was starting to go down and so the big tobacco companies looked around and thought okay so where are we going to get our money from if smoking is going down? They bought up the big food companies. They bought Craft, General Foods, Nabiscoco, and they brought their addiction scientists from the big tobacco companies over to the big food companies. And when I say addiction scientists, I'm not talking about scientists to get you unaddicted. It's the reverse of how do we get the person to eat the whole bag instead of half the bag. What are the what are the ingredients that we can include that will stimulate the opiate receptors of the brain? same upbeat receptors as heroin and morphine, but instead it doesn't relieve pain or get you high. It makes you crave more of the thing. So, I understand when people have a hard time making the transition. That's why I tell them, look, do little by little and um go at your own pace, but try to do it as quickly as you can because the more you do put those things in your your body, you're going to crave them more and more because carbs don't stimulate I'm sorry, carbs don't satisfy appetite, they stimulate it, right? Carbs don't satisfy appetite, they stimulate it. That's why, you know, when you eat a bunch of pasta, you're hungry in an hour or you eat a couple slices of pizza, you can't stop. That pizza crust is you still want to put it in there. And um you know, it's just pretty amazing. And um you know, that way. And so I really I'm just again just trying to encourage people. See, my biggest regret is having to have this life-threatening event to place me on this path. um I would rather just continue have been a entrepreneur which I was and um you know not have to do this but I see it how it's helping so many people now that it's an international bestseller I'm hear hearing from people all over the world I mean you don't make much money selling health and wellness books believe me no matter how well it does it's just um I become wealthy in my heart when I hear from people that wow this has changed my life da da da same thing that you get all the time I'm sure in your YouTube feeds and um and success stories that I'm sure you you get all the time. Yeah. Oh, it is amazing. I mean, that's the reward. It is. Yeah. Well, I I made my YouTube channel just because I wanted to get certain things out there and I wanted them said in a certain way and I almost didn't do it because, you know, there were people like Dr. Baker and so on that were that were saying the things that I that I thought were important to say. But I thought, well, you know, I I sort of, you know, maybe I'll just do it. Maybe I'm late to the game. There's already people out there talking about this sort of stuff. And I I was just happy with that. I just wanted I just wanted the information out there for people. And um and so I thought there was probably, you know, a little too late for me to get in because, you know, it's already sort of out there. But, you know, I decided that I I wanted to sort of, you know, put in my two cents and and I'm glad I did because people started saying like, "Wow, I've heard this stuff before, but the way you presented it, it made sense to me." And then that's that's that's that makes perfect sense, too, because, you know, I may listen to someone and be like, "Oh, that makes sense." Or listen to someone else. It could be saying the same information, but it doesn't quite hit. And so, you know, they might say something to someone else and be like, "Okay, well, that's interesting." But and then someone else might say it in a different way like very similar information but presented in a different way or maybe make a couple little points and insights that are are unique to them that someone says like okay that makes sense now and they start doing that and that's why I encourage so many people you know it's not me I'm not special it's just that you know the way I say it is going to resonate with certain people that that may not you know that other people may not resonate with and so that's why I try to encourage people like yourself and everyone else is like we need to get more voices out there because everyone's going to say this and present this in a slightly different manner and it's going to make more sense to people, you know, from that. And so I I sort of realized that. But my whole point, I just want to get this information out there. I sort of did all the videos that I wanted to talking about the different topics that I thought were important. And I sort of went like, I'm sort of done. I sort of said everything I wanted to say personally. And you know, maybe I should just leave it. and I didn't want to like clog up my YouTube channel a whole bunch of videos that were just, you know, nonsense. And then and I would drown out the ones that I thought were the most important. And so I I was thinking about just stopping that, but then I had, you know, more opportunities to interview people like yourself and more people reached out and then there were people that like I really wanted to talk to. Um, and so I just started doing more interviews and things like that as well and that became uh very helpful and and so I've continued on with it. But, you know, that was the, you know, that was that was the the main thing. But, you know, by doing that, you know, I've had people seeing these these results and seeing people saying, "Hey, you know, when I did this, I I weighed this much. I had these issues. I had all these problems." And now all these things are gone. I've lost 80 pounds. All these sorts of things. Now, my family is doing it. I, you know, my wife is, you know, reverse her diabetes and her this and her that autoimmunity, our kids are doing better and all these things and and we see it all the time, you know, 90% 95% of the comments on my videos are like that. And so then people, you know, so I started at first I'm like, do I really want to keep doing this? But then when I just seeing these these comments about how many people have been benefited by this, like how do you stop? I mean, how do you how do you just say like, ah, screw it. Don't stop, brother. We need you out there. I'm telling you, all this information is incredible. Especially because you're you're a clinician. You're a doctor. I don't have any of your experience. You're what my knowledge I know a lot now, but it's dwarfed by what you know. And so, please don't stop that. Um, you know, at least maybe See, I'm just I'm just a lowerass street kid from Philly, right? And I'm rough around the edges. And you know, there's that old saying, you can take the kid out of Philly, but you can't take the Philly out of the kid. So that's me. And you know, I just thought, well, I'm just going to get on there and speak to people anyway because maybe they can relate. They, you know, maybe they have heart disease in their genetics. Their parents had it, their grandparents had it, and that's coming your way unless you get off the unholy trinity and start, you know, getting back to the gym, doing some exercise, that kind of thing. Um, you know, it's just really important and I I'm I'm there with you, brother, because uh we need you. So great that you not stopped doing that because uh it's fantastic. Well, you can't really, you know, like I mean people saying, "No, you please don't stop." Like I I couldn't even if I wanted to. Like it takes a lot of time and um and effort and things like that and it takes away from from work and things. But it's, you know, I I you know, you can help a lot more people this way. you know, in my practice, I see people one-on-one and that's great and get more hands-on, you know, care and, you know, we're looking deeply into their blood work and all their different sorts of, you know, issues and we can do a lot of good for a lot of people. But when you when you're blasting this out to, you know, the population at large and and getting these these videos out to people, it you can you can just help a lot more people. And um so, yeah, you really can't stop. We we really need it because here's a shocking statistic. You probably know about this. There was a study just a few years ago out of John's Hopkins and they discovered that 74% of doctors, I mean this exacerbates the situation we're in, right? 74% of doctors they found, now we're talking general practitioners, family physicians, internists, and cardiologists, 74% do not know how to properly diagnose and test for pre-diabetes or type two diabetes. It's like, what are you kidding me? That's our biggest ep epidemic. I call it the gateway disease because once you get there and you're pre-diabetic or full type two diabetic and most people that are diabetic don't know it because they, you know, there's so many people that can test normal because most doctors what they'll do as you know they'll test A1C fasting A1C and fasting blood glucose and even the American Diabetes Association who I wouldn't trust touch this trust as far as I could throw them. Even they say, "Hey, if you just do those two, you're going to miss a lot of people because there's a lot of people that can test normal for those two like I did and still be a raging type 2 diabetic like I was. They don't do the O GTT with insulin. This is this goes back to Dr. Joseph Craft that we talked about earlier. Oral glucose tolerance test with insulin because that way that's how I discovered it. I was on my first hour I was well beyond 200 and it was like holy moly I had no idea and then I had to start looking at my diet and everything and um you know I have all that on my website by the way for anybody wants to know about the tests what are the most important tests danieltrevor.com and um just to get the information I mean you can order them there too because I made a deal with Quest Diagnostics which have thousands of locations all over the United States but you don't have to get it from me I'm not selling anything I have powders or vitamins or anything like that, which which is fine. I mean, I, you know, I don't mind anybody does that. Um, it's just that I would rather see people just get the tests or use this as a reference and go, "Hey doc, I'd like to get these inflammation markers. I need to know what myoparoxidase and my LP plaque 2 is and to find out if I got this smoking, you know, I call them smoke detectors because they those are blood tests that and also MACR, microbum creatinine ratio, they can tell if you've got the soft inflamed plaque in your arteries because if you don't do that then at least you should at least get a CAC scan score, CAC cardio um coronary artery calcium score or a CINT uh corateed interim media thickness test and so you know what's going on you know there's some great in my chapter 19 I go into whole the difference between soft dangerous plaque and the calcified plaque what is the difference aren't they both dangerous no here's what here this and this is new science too you'd appreciate this um there was a Honda study published in uh Jack uh journal the American college of cardiology top card cardiology uh place on the planet. And they showed um the people in that had echolucent plaque which is the the that's the soft dangerous plaque and the people that had echogenic plaque which is the calcified plaque. All the events heart attacks and strokes were coming from the soft plaque not the calcified plaque. And so it's the soft plaque that causes the heart attacks and strokes. However, in that next section, I I tell what the Cleveland Clinic, which is the top, you know, the rank number one globally for cardiovascular care, they discovered that, and again, this is just a few years ago, which in your industry, that's like 10 minutes ago, right? Because it takes so long for new science to get down to the front lines of the doctors, let alone how long it gets to the, you know, curriculum of the schools. And they just they say that the soft plaque is the dangerous plaque. If you have calcified plaque, there's four times as much soft, dangerous, inflamed plaque than there is the calcified plaque. So, it is a good test to get because if you have an elevated score, as you know, it's supposed to be between zero and 400 and it can go way higher than that, too. Uh, but the body as you heal, it lays down calcium. And so what can happen is as you spend a year going low carb, keto, carnivore, exercise, that kind of thing, your score can go up. And that's what the science has shown. They call it the C u there was several studies, jam cardiology and Cleveland Clinic and and another place, I can't remember. They call it the CAC paradox. Mhm. Now, the doctors and researchers involved in the study, it wasn't a paradox to them, but they knew it would be puzzling for the patient. They go, "Wait a minute. I've been killing it this last year. I've been, you know, getting like a six-pack and I'm how can my score go up?" What happens is the body releases calcium to heal all of the lesions that are created by the u the soft inflamed dangerous plaque and it stabilizes the plaque. And so there are less because but then you verify that that I'm the perfect example of that. When I first got my my CAC scan, it was an abysmal 600, right? And I thought, okay, I'm going to get into this. I've got my low carb people. I got and then I wound up in carnivore. I'm at the gym. I got a six-pack now. HDL's 96 and my triglycerides are 38 and, you know, A1C's 5.1. You know, everything was beautiful metabolically. But my CAC scan went my score went from 600 to 2500, which is four about four times as much. And that's because of all of the healing that I needed my this particular current meat body that I have. I needed that healing and that's the reason why. So don't freak out. My I tell the reader in the book, don't freak out if your score goes up. just verify that you're in good shape by all these other tests. Thought I'd add that in there, too. Yeah. No, definitely. And um I you know, there's a couple things I wanted I wanted to ask as well. Um you know, you mentioned the glycoalix, you know, and I've seen studies like that as well where you know, after I mean within a couple hours after eating carbohydrates and refined carbohydrates and sugar in particular, it it destroys the glycoalix and you can actually see this in real time. is sort of getting less fuzzy and less fuzzy and then it's flattens. You don't have that protection and it's worse than smoking. Yeah. And it can and it can come back, you know, but it but if you if you keep hitting it with carbs all the time, it's just constantly destroyed. So if you're if you're doing the the you know, the recommendations, I mean, let's say you're doing intermittent fasting with carbs, okay, you destroy the glycoalix, but it would rebuild. Um, but if you're eating, oh, you need to have, you know, three meals a day and three snacks and all that sort of garbage and most of this is high carbohydrate, you like it's never recovering. And so, you don't have that you don't have that that defense. And, you know, I was taught in medical school that that uh nicotine itself, you know, one of the damaging thing from smoking was just the nicotine. So even if you're having a nicotine patch nicotine gum or or an ecigarette or whatever that itself directly damages the arterial lining and so I would they didn't mention the glycoalix at the time. I don't know if they knew about it back in 2009 when they were teaching us that but uh either way nicotine could damage the the lining of the of the arteries. And um you know I do wonder about this you know is it is that you know is is the nicotine itself damaging the glycalates or is it causing you know specific damage and um you know and there's there's you know all these studies you know we've had you know there's people saying that well if you look at the evidence seed oils are are actually really good for you and it's like okay which studies are you looking at you know because there's a lot of industry funded studies and research and some of it's industry funded and we don't know that it's industry funed. because they don't actually have an ethics you know you know ethical you know um compass. They're trying to sell a product and um you know so the sugar company's been doing this, the tobacco companies have been doing this and other companies have been doing this to to push their product. They pay people under the table or you know silently and they don't discuss it and so they do this research supposedly independent research but it's definitely not. And um we had that with the sugar companies and and cholesterol. So we also had that with this the the tobacco industry and now you've got all these studies coming out and people saying well you know nicotine is actually really good for you. It's noropic. It turns your brain on. It's all all these health issues and benefits and it can I I heard one guy say that it can melt GBM brain can uh brain tumors in two days. I'm like really? Because you know I I've had patients with GBM who smoked. So why wasn't that melting their GBM or preventing it from ever happening in the first place? You know, they need to talk to Thomas Seaf. Well, yeah, there's that. And you know, I mean, certainly toxins can be used as medicine, you know, but you know, I mean, really, like, you know, so the thing with nicotine I'm curious about is like we still have these big tobacco companies. They're still the largest companies in the world. Now they own all the, you know, craft and all these massive food giants. So they're the biggest food giants are also the tobacco giants and so they're they're some of the you know this really undercover wealthiest organizations on planet earth and they have been for decades and you know sure the tech companies are massive now as well but these these these own commerce you know they're all the processed food and and vices and things like that I mean they they've got a strangle hold on that and so now all of a sudden you see all these studies coming out about how how great nicotine is all of a sudden I'm it. I just I'm the cynic in me is saying like this has to be coming from them. Like I just don't I don't I I just I don't see how possibly you know it's when the whole thing of the money you know it's just um you probably saw this was several years ago Goldman Sachs they had one of their they had one of their analysts do a white paper and I can't remember the name of it what it was about uh creating cures is not good for the bottom line. Yeah. And the example they gave was uh the big pharma company Gilead Sciences came up with this blockbuster drug called Harvon which had a 96 to 99% cure rate for hepatitis C. Yeah. I remember when that came out. Yeah. So when what happened it came out was like 12 billion and then within a couple years it was down 75% and it continued its descent after that. Goldman Sachs yelled at Gilead Science and says, "No, don't don't do that. We don't want that." So, what they would rather have had them do is come up with a pill that the patient could take once a day for the rest of their life or an infusion once a week or once a month. You know, that way the the profit model is over the entire lifetime. We don't want to get rid of Come on. It's just it's insane. It's that mentality. um just the same as that eskeemia trial and all those that you know that we were talking about earlier. Um you know there's no way that the board of directors or the CEO of the hospitals or the the cardiology clinic are going to want to see all that revenue disappear because that's how they build the new wing for the hospital. And that you know if that disappeared there goes the beach house and the kids in Ivy League and the you know Mercedes down to Wakia. I mean, it would just all change and we can't have that. Yeah. Well, it's like a lot of people in Washington DC right now are living off all that kind of stuff, off of other types of other types of money graft and so on. But anyway, yeah. Well, that's Yeah, that's the thing, too, is I mean, that's that's that's really ghoulish, you know? I mean, they they're just they're turning people into things and um and uh and cattle really. There's just like how do we profit off of these people? How do we make more money off these people? like you're destroying people's lives. And so saying no, we don't want to cure people of disease. We want to just have them treated for the disease so we can milk them and take more of their money over time. I mean, that that in itself is, you know, that's that's the behavior of a of a con artist. You know, you're someone who's not trying to provide a good product. You're not trying to actually do something worthwhile. You're trying to screw people over and and get money out of them because you just want their money. you don't care that it's damaging their health. You know, I mean that and I can understand how certain doctors and I'm sure you know, you know, I I I was just talking to a doctor friend of mine last week. He says, you know, Dan, you know, I can tell people to do this and stop doing that, but they don't listen to me. Okay. So what you know and so a lot of people have not reached a state of need of change and demand of improvement of themselves and sometimes they need to go through a lifethreatening event like I did to wake up and to take the dive and I was fortunate to be able to you know take the dive into the science because I'm used to studying technical data all my life. So uh but people just don't have the education. there's just no. So that was the impetus behind the book because um you know there there's so many doctors they just they try and they want they and a lot of doctors I feel because I've gotten to know so many they can't be the doctor that they first set out to be right because they're working in a system that they have bosses they got to you know do this by that and they got seven minutes to see each patient and they you know they have all this computer work to do and so on. So, um, I feel for some of them and, uh, but then there's others like you're talking about where it's just downright ghoulish. Hey guys, just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at Carnivore Bar. I don't promote many products because honestly, all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat. For those times that you're out hiking, road tripping, or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat, fat, and salt if you want it, the Carnivore Bar is a great option. So, I like this product not because it's just pure meat, but also because I want the carnivore market to thrive as well. And the more we support meat only products, the more meatonly products there will be available in the mainstream. So, if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind, check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off, which also applies to subscriptions, giving you 25% off total. All right, thanks guys. Well, you know, and the thing is too is that is that you know, the doctors aren't given the education either because we're educated by big pharma and that's that's that's the the truth of it. I mean, they they have their hooks in all the medical institutions all across the world and the residency resident uh programs and and the and the post-resident um education with, you know, with drug reps going to the to the hospitals and educating doctors. talking about, you know, cherrypicked studies from their company pushing their product and then going to conferences that do the same thing. They're funded by, you know, big food and big pharma. And you you can you can bet your ass that like no one's giving a talk there that goes against anything that they uh that that goes against their bottom line. And you know, the thing is too is that doc, you know, patients I I talk to them every day because this is my whole practice. There's people that that are fed up with the the same old advice and the same old system. It's not working. It's not helping because, you know, doctors going to say like, "Wow, I can tell them about diet and lifestyle, but what are you telling about diet and lifestyle?" You're saying, "Eat less, move more. That's it." And and you're saying, "Oh, stay away from fat. You know, fat makes you fat." And all that sort of [ __ ] So, you know, yeah, I I have no doubt that that doesn't help. Because the thing is is that they think and I've I've spoken to a lot of doctors about this and they say overweight doctors by the way who say well the reason that that patients are so fat and sick is because they just don't listen to doctors and it's like no the problem is they did listen to doctors and Bob the advice was bad you know they're saying eat less move more eat less meat eat less fat eat more healthy fruits you know whole grains and all that sort of garbage and um and it doesn't work and so they go home and They're getting fatter. They're getting sicker and they're like, "No one listens. No one listens. I told them what to do and they didn't do it." Yeah. I think I think they get they they think that the the science is settled. Like they say settled science and all that. I'm thinking, you know, whenever you hear anybody say no such thing, you know, settled science, just know that what you're about to hear is about as truthful as the COV jab is safe and effective for everyone and it totally stops transmission. Yeah, we know what a bunch of [ __ ] that was, right? So, um, you know, I think they get these certain conclusions, so to speak, in their minds and that, okay, so it's you have to eat low fat, high carbs, the grains, that's what we got to do because Jesus ate the grains and that was, you know, but they don't know the whole history of the grains, which I, you know, they don't know that wheat raises the blood sugar higher than a Snickers bar. Wheat, I never knew that. I see I this all this stuff blew my mind right I didn't know and I very early on in the book in fact page two of the uh of chapter one I I expl I say look you have to understand the two most fundamental players in the processing of the food that you put in your mouth and that's ins uh glucose also known as blood sugar and insulin you eat something your glucose goes up the pancreas senses that and it secretes some insulin to bring it down keep it in a normal range and That's a normal process that goes on through life. But when you're eating the wrong foods hour after hour, day after day, week after week, and your insulin and your your blood glucose stays elevated, you're going to develop insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia. Hyperinsulinemia, that's just a fancy uh technical term for hyper too much insulin. Emia means in the blood. That's for your for your audience. Hyperinsulinemia. And then comes your pre-diabetes and type two diabetes and all the inflammation. And then what happens is that inflammation then goes through your arterial system, your cardiovascular system, and then turns on whatever you've got lurking in your genetics that mom and dad had and that grandpa and grandpa had. And it turns it all all that on. That's why it's uh so clearly a um what I've called the a gateway disease, you know. That's what turns it all on. U and we've never had that throughout history, right? Mhm. Yeah. No, definitely not. Um, so I was going to ask you as well, I mean, you call us the unholy trinity. So, um, why is that? Do these things work synergistically together to screw us up? Are they just all bad and we see them together a lot? They're individually bad. And then if you look at the um list of things, in fact I I got a great quote from uh from Nina Ty Schultz in there about how in her out of her book um her book was this classic 2014 big fat surprise, why butter, meat, and cheese belong in a healthy diet. And she was the one that was at the forefront, her and Dr. Chris Kenobi and Dr. Case Shanahan that showed like it's not the fat. The fat is good for you. It's what we feed for hundreds of thousands if not millions of years. Proven by these, like I said before, anthropologists and bioarchchaeologists, they've proven. I think it's a lot longer than this, but they say it's at least 2.6 to 4.5 million. And you know, there's this thing, as you know, they're called the species adaptation hypothesis. And that's basically says that when a certain species is used to eating a certain way for a long damn time, that becomes their healthy diet. Just like the cows eating the grass and the goats and so forth. Um and we our healthy diet was animals, what we could catch, kill, and eat. And um and of course other things uh when we were and they used grains as fallback food. again the anthropologist and bar bioarchchae I have a picture of a guy in chapter 10 it's called are you a wheat addict and there's this guy well it's his it's his skull it's from 100,000 years ago and he's got perfect teeth and I asked well you think he had an orthodontist philos twice a day and all this no what they did was after they started eating wheat and grains see what they found that clever humans discovered that if they could gr ground grind up the seeds from the grains because that's where the grains come from, the seeds, not from the stalks or anything. And they added some water, heated it up, they could make something like a porridge and that allowed them to uh survive an extra day, week, month, but it took they took a serious toll on their on their physiology and everything. They tooth decay, missing teeth because they started exuming bodies from after that point of 10,000 years ago, 9,000 years ago or so. That's when agricultural societies came in and um and they could see that all these new diseases I mean not as bad as the last hundred years but you know bone diameter and length shrunk men shrunk five inches women shrunk three inches I mean it was just a disaster and then in the um in the late 60s early 70s big egg came along and you know it's always grown to shoulder height right they they had they came up with this thing called chemical mutagenesis and radiation mutagenesis and that shrunk it down to 18 in. They call it semi-dwarf wheat and what that does is they get bigger seeds and that gives them a more bountiful crop. That's why they did that. But what it does is it amps up this protein from gluten called gleaden. G l i a d i n. Gleaden. And what does that do? That attaches to the opiate receptors of the brain. I mean it does like again it doesn't get you high or relieve pain but it it turns on the same opiate receptors as morphine and heroin and its expression is to make you crave more of the things that have wheat and grains in them. Like that's why check out this stat. The average supermarket has 60,000 products. 59,000 contain wheat or some form of wheat. I have all the aliases in there too to look out for in chapter 10. Even Twizzlers, the candy, the second ingredient is wheat. It's like what? They're really coming after our opiate receptors. Plastic. It's It's just uh it's that money thing again, right? Yeah. Well, it is. And it's um they make a lot of money and there's a big markup and you know, just like the statins, you know, that's been the highest grossing drug that's been on the market. And so, you mean they're they're going to they're you're going to have to have to pry that out of their cold dead fingers. You know, they're not going to give that up. They're not going to give up. You know, now the statins are off patent. You know, they don't really care as much anymore. But now you got the PCSK9 inhibitors. And so, these really dramatically drop your your um serum cholesterol. And so, I've spoken to cardiologists about this and they were saying that now the drug reps are really pushing for the PCSK9 inhibitors. They're not even pushing for the statins anymore because they want the new on patent drugs uh for people to use because they make more money on that. And so because they they they drop things so so much, they uh are now pushing to lower the the cholesterol threshold again. And so my god. Yeah. And so it's just even lower, even lower, even lower. And this what what does this do? this this qualifies more people to be on more aggressive drugs and so because they just want they just want more money, you know, and this is clearly telling me that in 1950 I think the uh the cholesterol normal cholesterol was bel was below 300. Now it's below 200 and now they're going to lower it again like you're saying. Oh my god. That's what's that's what's really gonna it's just it's just horrible. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and you know, and and you know, same with blood pressure. Used to be under 140 was was normal, then under 130, now under 120. And um and I've spoken to some people and they're starting to hear people talking come reps. Oh, we really should get it under 110. It's just like because you just you just you're going to bring in tens of millions of more people that now qualify for these drugs, you know? So, oh, 117 over 70. Oh, I don't really like that. Oh, we need to we need to get you on some some blood pressure meds, you know, and um yeah, and it's just it's just a way to sell more drugs. I mean, this this is this is a drug cartel. They're the biggest drug cartels in the world because they're actually legal. This is this is the opium trade, you know, back in day. I mean, people made empires off the opium trade. I mean, they they they bought islands and nations based on that. And um and now this is the same thing, you know? It's just it's just it's a legal drug trade. It's a legal drug cartel. They're selling drugs. Some of these things have legitimate uses and and really do save people's lives. Others don't. And their their motivations are not to help people. Their motivations are to make money. And so they want to make as much money as they can. Well, we have a we have a um you know fiduciary responsibility to our shareholders. Well, you actually first and foremost have a responsibility to these patients. You do not get to cause harm in order to make money, you know. So, okay. So, you know, if I have if I have a a team of people like, well, what we're going to do is we're going to go and and try to make as much money as we can um and you can buy shares in our in our company, this that and the other. What we do is we we hire a bunch of black ops people to knock over banks and we rob banks and then if we have to shoot people and kill people because that gets us in and out fast enough and then we can make more money, I have a fiduciary responsibility to shoot those people because my shareholders, you know, need more money. It's just like no, no, no, no, [ __ ] You don't get to hurt people in order to do that. you know, you have to first make a product that is a good product and not cause harm. If you're knowingly causing harm, if you're knowingly putting somebody on a drug that I mean, if that's the only if that's the only option, then fine, you know, but intentionally stifling innovation that can actually cure a disease because it it affects your bottom line. or putting out false information and lying and paying people to put out studies to to say that that your product is a really good idea or that you know cholesterol is really bad and we need to treat it. Um knowing that it's causing harm, knowing that it's wrong, that's criminal behavior. And you know just like any sort of war criminal and and and you know um some you know human rights violators, you should be in prison. I mean, you know, some of these things are like like, you know, bordering Nerburgg sort of level criminality. You know, you you know that your product is causing harm. Like, I mean, the tobacco companies, they knew that their product was causing harm for 30 years and yet they lied and put out studies saying that it that it didn't. It was actually good for you or, you know, at least didn't cause harm. And uh and then we we know that they're lying. So, they got fined $400 billion. Okay. That was that was 1994. That was 1994. They brought them before Congress. Oh no, Mr. Congresswoman, we never intentionally put addicting carcinogenic material chemicals in our products. Yeah. But but they did and we know that now. And what happened? Did they go to prison? You know, because did did they go to prison for the for the mass murder of hundreds of millions of people around the world? No. And now they own Craft and and the Bisco and General Foods. Now that's how they're getting people eliminated, you know. So, it's just it really, you know, I think people have a low confront of um the ability to confront evil. Uh it's not a a high ability in most people. They just Oh, no. They wouldn't do that. No, Uncle Joe works for them. That couldn't be, you know, and it's just But, you know, there's that old saying from uh what was it? I love this guy. Mark Twain, you know, the uh common sense philosopher from the 1800s. And he said, "That's great. It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." It's easier to fool people than to convince them, "Hey, you've been fooled, pal." Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's just wild. It's just wild. Yeah. Well, you know, people say, "Oh, they wouldn't do that." It's like, I'm sure people thought that in Nazi Germany as well. And guess what? You know, they were doing these things. And um they're still doing these things. I mean, there there are horrible evil things going on around the world right now. But we live in such a protect protected environment that we think that that microaggressions are the worst thing that ever happened to human civilization. It's just like try going to to an actual war torn country or a place in you know in um you know where there actual genocides happening right now. Um they are still happening you just don't hear about them but there are genocides happening. I went and helped with the survivors of a genocide in in uh Burma in 2017 2018. I read about that. I read that you did that. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. And um you know when I was there I was working with a lot of people that did this as a profession. They went from disaster to disaster to disaster. And the amount of horrors that I heard that were going on in the world right now that I had never heard of, you know, and I I watched the news, you know, you try to stay informed. That's the Mark Twain quote again. If you if you uh don't read the news, then you're then you're uninformed. If you do read the news, you're misinformed. And so, exactly. And that was it, you know, and you just you just don't see this stuff. And uh and I was like, how the hell did I miss this? How did I hell I missed this massive genocide? And I couldn't find it anywhere. I couldn't find it anywhere being reported on. And then when I went there, there was there were just countless of these things all over the world going on at at any given time. We just don't hear about them. We just live in this little bubble. And um and that's Thank you for doing that. Thank you for staying with the whole purpose of enlightening people about from your experience and all the wisdom that you have and again you're a clinician. You actually see patients and you know it's not anywhere near what I do. I've just been a researcher uh to solve my own problem. But thank you for getting all this information out there and and having people like myself on so that we can spread the word about metabolic health. You're very welcome. Well, I'm glad that you're you're doing this. I'm glad that more people are coming this. I'm sorry that you had to have a a heart attack before it before it uh you know you know came to came to your attention but but that's the thing you know you were like you said you were you were Mr. healthy. You were doing all the healthy things, right? So, you know, you're the doctor you were mentioning before saying, "Ah, you know, just you can't you can't speak to some people. They just don't listen." They do. And you and you're living proof of that. You did listen. You did all the things that that that doctor would have recommended to people and and it cost you. Whereas when I talk to people and I say and I and I paint out, you know, a similar picture that you paint out in your book, um, and I say, "Look, these things cause harm and here's how and this is why you want to avoid them." They get it and they're like, "Yeah, I don't want to eat that crap." And so then they start doing it and then it works and then they get benefits. You know, it's not that they're, well, they change your diet. Oh, look at your blood marker. Oh, and your cholesterol went down. Yay. Well, how do you feel? Okay, they feel like crap. Then their other markers are are getting worse and things. Oh, but my cholesterol went down, you know, and it's just it's just uh we have a lot of work to do to wake people up. And that's why, you know, I wrote the book. I'm told I'm pretty good at explaining things complicated science in an easy to understand way. Uh because I always listen to Einstein would say, if you can't explain something complicated to a fourth grader, then you don't really understand it that well yourself. Right? And so I really had to make sure that I understood what all this meant and what it was and how it related to me and that's how I was able to get myself better and then be able to explain it in a way that I give analogies and that kind of thing. And and so in other words, what I'm trying to say is that the book is written from the viewpoint of one of the victims of false data and fake science forced upon the populations and the doctors for 70 years. And so, you know, you have to get this information. And I've written it for the average reader of health and wellness. It's not written for doctors or scientists, even though they need it more, but it's written for the average person to go, hey, you know, I have that in my family. Can maybe I should look into this. And that's basically what I did there. So, um, you know, that I'm I'm on the same mission as you. So, I'm so glad that to hear that you'd like to and come join us on this uh the thing we spoke about earlier before we uh you know the maja thing you know uh RFK has this maha make America healthy land and and uh for your audience um you know Eric Berg had reached out to me to join that because he's he was uh invited onto that and he wanted me to ask you if you'd like to join us to get the word out more about metabolic health. we're going to go after the dietary guidelines with Nina Ty Schultz and and others that are on the team that you know. So, I'm glad you're accepting that uh that challenge or that you know because he'll give us all his secrets of how to make a video go viral and all that kind of thing. So, and he had he's been doing it since YouTube suh started. I think it was 2007 or something. I don't know. But, uh yeah. Well, and you're way beyond me than that. You got what half a million subscribers? Holy moly. I'm way behind that, but at least I have the book to to get things out that way. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Well, I think that's I I think it's great that that um you're involved with that. I definitely am interested in that. Um, I think that's another thing too, you know, with this Mahala movement, we need to with especially with RFK's background with in in litigation starting to actually prosecute these guys criminally, you know, I mean, this this there's, you know, there there's actual criminal, you know, if they if they are knowingly putting out harmful products and and lying about and putting out misinformation knowingly like the tobacco companies have, like the sugar companies have, and we know they have because we have their documentation saying they did they should be prosecuted criminally. Well, that was 50 years ago and all those people are gone now. But you continued it, didn't you, [ __ ] You know, and you knew about that. And so if you if you're continuing to profit off of that, then obviously you're going to still still be No, but but they're the ones who lied. Yeah. But then you continued it. You're still putting out a harmful product. You're still harming people with that product and you're doing it knowingly. So it's true. You know, I I was watching his confirmation hearings and he was saying something like, you know, I've sued these companies and when you do that, you get a PhD because there's discovery, right? You get a PhD on how they operate and the, you know, between the government agencies and the big food companies and that kind of thing. And you see the corruption, it's crystal clear. So, I'm so glad that he's uh you know, it's interesting related to that. the end of my chapter seven I you know Nina Tyishalt speaking of her and her um she has she started this lobbying group called nutrition coalition and her uh group and another they did this study where they there was an investigative study into the committee members of the US dietary guidelines because you know they have them every five years right now we're in the 2020 to 2025 and they discovered that 95% of the committee members 19 out of 20 had DOI, conflicts of interest, and we're receiving financial backing, also known as bribes, from big food and big, you know, craft and general foods and me Johnson and these farmer companies. It's just, you know, that people need to become aware of that because we want to change. We want they just will not accept anything having to do with low carb, keto, that kind of thing. And that's where we're really going to attack that because as you know the US dietary guidelines that's what guides all the that's in all the prisons in the schools in the uh you know elderly homes and it's just all across the boards and it's causing so much damage to people and so we um you know I'll introduce you to Eric over email. How's that? That'd be great. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Uh yeah. Well, I I wanted to be respectful of your time, but I also wanted to just get one more more question in if you had time. Um, sure. You mentioned the most important labs, a chapter on most important labs. Um, and you you mentioned a couple of them, but what would be some of the the things that people could as a takehome, what are some of the things that people should check that they're not checking? Well, the very first one you want to get because you may have be one of the many, many people that have normal fasting glucose and normal A1C, but still be a raging type 2 diabetic and not know it. You need to get the O GTT with insulin or just the O GTT. That's oral glucose tolerance tests with insulin. Um, that's that's the first one. You want to find out if you've got some what level of diabetic physiology you have. If you got a belly, you're already there. You just need to verify it no matter what your A1C says or your fasting blood glucose because those could be normal and you're still, you know, full type 2 diabetic. So, get that one. And there was a couple other inflammation markers. Just go to my website, danieltrevor.com, click on blood tests, and I got a whole page with the the top four or five most important ones that I would get. There's a a male panel and a female panel. And there's one that also uh that I should mention with regard to the uh fatty liver disease that I had that I discovered uh all this information from Ivor Cumins. You know Ivor, right? Um and he had what I had. He had this fatty liver disease because see what the deal is is there's most doctors they don't check what's called GGGT gamlutam transferase. It's a liver enzyme. Most of them if they check anything they'll check a alp right but they don't check the GGGT the gamma glutamill transfer rates why is that important life insurance companies have to know who to accept and who to reject and life insurance companies are damn good at analyzing data and statistics since the 1600s when they would insure boats that would go out into the ocean and all I mean they're really damn good at it that's why they're most successful companies on the planet right so anyway They discovered that their number one predictor of all cause mortality is having elevated GGGT gamma glutamill transferase. It's like who know why doesn't the medical community know what the life insurance companies would you guys talk to each other maybe? Uh you know I'm thinking and then um you know it's just it's just amazing that that is just and then the more I looked into it I found studies showing that if you have elevated GGT the usual cause of death is a heart attack. And there I was. So I I was, you know, the whole time I'm connecting dots and that kind of thing. So that's another one. But that's part of the male panel or the female panel. You want to make sure that it's has GGT in there. Of course, there's the um um you want to get your h uh HDL to triglycerides ratio because that will tell if you've got small dense LDL particles as well. And it's about I it's six to nine times more predictive of cardiovascular disease than an LDL test. Yeah. And anyway, it's it's danieltrevor.com. And at there, you know, I have a short 7minute video at the top of the page. It tells my story and some of the creepy statistics that you've heard here a little bit with us. And um and I love discussing all this thing. If we can get people to hear this information and and not be so, you know, to at least inspire them to start to think, oh, maybe I should start to avoid eating this, that, and the other. And if we can get them going in that direction, and that's what we want to do, right? Very good. Absolutely. Well, the book is called Unholy Trinity by uh Daniel Trevor. It is out now and available everywhere. and um and and I encourage everyone go to his website as well and see all the resources there. Daniel, thank you so much for coming on. It's been an absolute pleasure. Can you please tell people um where exactly they can find you, obviously your website, etc., but any other sort of social media sites? Yeah, no, it's basically just daniel.com and you can find me elsewhere from there, but you know, that's where you get all the information. I have a lot of really good data there and uh you know, videos. I'll put this one up there, uh the one that we do. Um, and uh that kind and they can sign up. They can get a free preview of the book and what that is is they put in their their name and their email address. They can unsubscribe at any time. I I send out a a weekly newsletter every weekend, Friday, Saturday, that kind of thing. It's got some really good data. A lot of it is from the book. A lot of it's uh news and that kind of thing. Uh but they they sign up and they get it they get the first 48 pages for free. It's a PDF. Sign up and get that there. And again, you can you I'm not selling anything. You can u I'm a strong believer in you, you know, you taste it a little bit and if you like the way it tastes, then you can go buy the book. Sounds good. Well, great. Well, we'll put um those links on on the description so people can go down below and check it out. And um yeah, thank you so much, Daniel. It's been an absolute pleasure. Dr. A, what do you say? All right. Thank you very much. I really appreciate you having me. Thank you, sir. And thank you everyone for watching. 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