"This Diet Made My Job SO MUCH EASIER" | Dr. Aaron Tressler

when I eat my steak from my farm my my cows are grass-fed all they do eat is grass and hay in the winter time and drink well water there's no toxicity level when they eat the greens it processes through their body so it doesn't convert it doesn't convert into oxalates into my body I get pure meat but I get all the nutrients and I thought why why just why I have to eat the plants then this doesn't make any sense hopefully you know if you hear this go do your research and start start looking at this and find the science if you find the sence science you'll see how clear it is welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining another episode of the plant free MD I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy today I have a very special guest Dr Aaron Trester who is a chiropractor and recent carnivore Enthusiast and who it turns out played rugby with a good friend of mine uh Dr Steve Goodkind who I played up with in Seattle Aaron thank you so much for coming on thank you Anthony for having me and you know just what you do for the community um a big thanks because it's transformed my life and and I hope to get this across today how powerful this is but you know what you're doing in the carnivore Community um is awesome so I'm excited to be here oh thank you very much um so so tell me tell tell us a little bit about yourself and and how you came to the carnivore diet I I'm going to share my story and you know first you know I have five kids I live on a 65 Acre Farm my kids are older now I have uh four girls and a son uh all amazing and all eating more meat now um I raise over 100 animals on my farm full-time chiropractor and still love to play rugby I just can't get it I feel like I've been injected with the rugby serum you know 35 36 years ago and I can't I can't get it out of my system so but it drives me to stay healthy and I I think as I share my story um hopefully this will encourage people to say you know what we're meant for more so um so if I can I'll just I'll just dive in and and share when I when I was a kid um I was always sick you know I wet my bed until I was 9 years old had stomach issues in fourth grade by the time I got to high school I had horrible diarrhea problems GI issues so from early on I had this GI system that was a wreck um never knew what to do we never went to the doctors I just self-medicated and when your gut goes you start to get immune system problems so I had allergies and sinus trouble yet I was a top athlete in school yet I was always sick and one day um you know in and in high school I mean we're talking 15 16 years old I couldn't make it to the bathroom in time uh during sporting events high school you know just sitting in class I get these spasms in my my boughs and I'm like what the heck is going on um one day I bent over I was 17 years old and my right low back my right SI joint just locked up on me froze up I dropped to the ground I was crying in pain never cried in front of my dad and a buddy of mine went to a chiropractor and I said Dad I think we need to go to this guy called a chiropractor this is a godsend cuz we never went anywhere if I came in bleeding my mom would put my head under the sink give me a tow and say get out of here and so he goes all right we'll go to the chiropractor so this chiropractor lays me down doesn't take an x-ray doesn't do teach me anything doesn't show any charts what he was going to do lays me down and adjust me and I get up I'm out of pain I'm like well that was cool I have no idea what he did my dad at the time was 47 years old with heart disease he couldn't have walked Anthony from the parking lot into the into the office without bending over holding a knee and heavy breathing his heart was just so bad at 47 and I'm 58 right now so putting things into perspective this is crazy so he says to me Aon if you're in pain come back next week Mr Mr truster if he's in pain bring him back I didn't have pain for five years it was it was incredible but I still had my sickness and I didn't know it related at the time with my my low back so I graduate high school I go to college for health and physical education my dad dies at age 50 of heart failure oh I'm sorry and I remember you know I remember drawing a line in the sand that and saying bull crap I am not dying at 50 I'm going to say healthy and I thought it was all about being physically in shape at that point because I was in fiz Ed so I graduate I go to Florida and this is where I picked up rugby so at 21 I started playing rugby I'm a fiz head teacher I am Fitness guy in the gym working out 7 days a week and one day on the rugby pitch my my back does it again goes into spasm I drop to the ground and after about the fourth or fifth episode I thought I gotta I got to find an answer to this this is crazy so I I had an HMO and what do you do with an HMO you go to your HMO doc so I went to The Physician and he said look I'm going to give you some meds and you need to stretch your hamstrings and do do more sit-ups and I was like 22 at the time I thought do more situps I I work out every day I'm in physically top condition playing competitive rugby this doesn't make sense so I I eventually went to a chiropr he took an x-ray and this this is life transformation it he showed me an x-ray my pelvis and it was on level my right side was lower than my my left there was an imbalance there he explained that that imbalance can cause nerve pressure can cause muscle imbalance causing the spasm I'm like makes sense sense so I got care pain went away pretty quick I wanted to get out of teaching so I chose Chiropractic and I went to life in Georgia because it was one it was the furthest south because I wanted to stay in the Heat and two it had the best one of the best Rugby teams in the country and they offered scholarship so I'm like no Nob brainer you know I'll go there so the my back what was what was crazy is my back healed up very quickly the pain was gone I was playing rugby I played all four years there and at that level I mean playing in Florida going to that level we just we jumped a whole new level I mean it was very competitive I'm a small guy I was about 162 at the time I'm playing with big guys trying to kill me um and my back stayed fine but it was within about three months I noticed my digestion all healed up and I was still having issues at the time sinus issues allergies GI GI issues running to the bathroom and I realized it healed up and I I was learning in school that the the nerves in the low back not only go into the muscle but they control organ function take pressure off the nerve the organs can function properly and I thought wow this is this is playing out I'm like I wonder if this is going to be for real long term well it's been 36 years my back has been fine my GI system has been fine and I healed up through that so as as I and I'll kind of fast forward here as I start you know I play through school I graduate I pick up up a team here in Greensburg and uh where I live it's outside of Pittsburgh um continue playing as I continue playing over the last I don't know 30 years it's crazy to think that you know I'm playing with guys that I've played longer than they're even alive yeah and um I've I've broke my ribs a few times I had a couple rotator cuff tears um meniscus tearing my knee concussions and this isn't all with car uh rugby it's I have a farm and had some accidents um but what I realiz IED with proper lifestyle exercise and Chiropractic I was able to heal through those injuries without surgeries without prescription drugs it was incredible so what I learned in school and this this was um man I wish I had learned about carnivore back then what I learned in school was more of a plant-based whole food diet and back in the 90s we were taught soy soy is good so we were buying cases of soy milk for my my kids I know I ask my say please forgi forgive me for doing this to you you know we were buying soy burgers and soy meat and you know we were going like plant-based but I I didn't give up meat but I I definitely didn't I didn't e bacon I didn't e pork I I reduce meat consumption um you know we learned that if you eat you know a pound of broccoli it's as much protein as you can get from a small steak and you know the the the crazy thing and I'll kind of go through this my lifestyle but you can't sustain that that's you can't eat bags of broccoli and then when I learned about the toxicity I'm like oh God I'm I'm poisoning myself um it's just unsustainable so anyhow as I learned that I applied that over the last 30 years eating healthy eating um well healthier meaning not the the the garbage food out there the processed garbage I was eating at least real food um but not a not a carnivore which I not now know is optimal so 9 years ago I decid you know what maybe I should stop running and lifting so much the pounding on the joints I'm going to buy a bicycle so I'm going to bike for for some exercise well wrong decision so I'm out on out on the the uh in the country one day I'm riding you know like 7: am in the morning I'm coming down a hill about 3035 mil hour and my front tire came off I go straight down on My Head and Shoulder thank God I turned my head cuz I hit the side of my helmet cracked my helmet um but I I hit my shoulder when I came to I call my my wife and I said you know I I got to get to the hospital finds out I I fractured my scapula which when I saw the surgeon the next day he looked at me he said my God how how did you fracture a scapula no one does this I said well 30 35 miles an hour hit the pavement said that's high impact injury so I saidou know what I I can heal from this and I'm a Christian and and I was reading the Bible uh the day before and I I got some scripture this is a pretty wild story I'll just summarize it it basically said look you can heal our bodies are meant to heal and you're going to be strong and I remember telling my wife H I'm playing rugby again and this is the next day I'm in a sling I can't move I'm crying in pain and she goes are you insane just stop just give up I'm like I'm like up so I said up you know it's they they think I'm crazy I mean most people do but I'm like it's okay C it's it's working for me and um I said you know what I'm gonna I'm going to go after this so with chiropractic care I SED you know continued getting adjustments I I took my arm out of the sling the next day and started moving it because movement creates healing you got to move you can't let it sit there um exercise I exercised every single day couldn't use my right arm but I'd use my left and I'd use my legs I'd go out for a walk I started to jog my son was training for cross country at the time and and uh I said well I'm gonna I'm going to run I'm going to run a race with you in a few months and it's like how you can't even walk right now um but I I went after it and if you apply movement and I was eating clean taking supplements getting adjusted I was healing pretty fast so within two months about two and a half months I ran a 5K race with him I did it in 21 minutes so it's not you know I wasn't out there walking I was going pretty quick um and my body was healing but every single day and this is where when people are in a crisis and you know we're told many times you know take it easy slow up don't hurt yourself I was in pain Anthony I cried every single day in pain I'd be in my office I was doing exams I couldn't adjust I felt this like it it felt like warm oil was being poured over my head of pain it it was a weird sensation I would feel this sensation coming on and I would go oh God here it comes I'd run get some ibuprofen never took an opioid through this to get some ibuprofen and I would go outside on the back porch of my office and just cry like a baby for about 10 to 15 minutes I just I couldn't take I just couldn't stop it and the staff knew they're like oh crap there he goes I go outside close the door cry the the ibuprofen would kick in the pain would sub subside I'd wipe off my tears and I come back in and uh they would look at me they could see this look of mine they're like you sure you don't want to go home I'm like no I have a job to do and I'm here and I'm gonna beat this damn thing I I don't care I'm gonna do it and that happened every day for I it was six weeks and it was a six week Mark that it finally kind of subsiding I had a day or two that I didn't I didn't cry I had three days I didn't have to take Ibuprofen and I knew I'm coming out of this 5 months later you know 5 months after I fractured my scapula I benched 225 and I knew at that point I'm back and the rugby guys kept saying when you coming back I just give me a little time I broke my scapula you know so eight months later I played played my first match and continued playing since and that was I was 49 I'm 58 right now haven't missed a haven't missed a game since um and clinically the prognosis when you break a scapula you're not coming back you know like this you're not you're not the the uh prognosis isn't good what I read online was long-term scar tissue damage weakness you know just you're just going to be banged up for the rest of your life I didn't believe it I took action and I healed so as I go through all this stuff I'm doing great a year and a half ago this is where the carnivore thing kicks in and and this is absolutely amazing so I had a podcast for a couple years I interviewed people like Belinda fet and Professor Tim Nos and I'm I'm learning about this eating habit especially with Professor NOS when he you don't know Professor no look him up he's the most great renowned researcher probably in the world on education Fitness Sports and and training and he was the guy that said carb up and so I did marathons I did some Ultra marathons during the time and I carved up and it wasn't good and so I'm like you know it it's he he completely changed that and said we don't need carbs for Fitness so I'm learning this stuff getting very curious so right before I went on vacation a patient of mine says doc he knew I was in he knew I was into this stuff he goes you got to look up Anthony chaffy he goes this guy is crazy all he eats is meat and he drinks water and I said all right I'm gonna look this guy up so I I got I got your podcast and you and and Dr Baker and I started listening to podcast and I get I get on vacation I'm on the beach I'm listening to hours a day of you guys and it's pouring in I'm like this is fascinating why haven't I heard this why haven't I learned this all these years it's been hidden and you know it's the pharmaceutical industry the food industry that doesn't want us to know this stuff so I'm on vacation the first day I wake up in a new bed my neck and shoulder where I had that fracture was killing me I couldn't move my back was hurting and I thought must be the bed I switched beds second day same thing Third Day same thing on a different I went to three different beds after the third day I said that's it I'm trying this carnivore stuff so I told my wife I said hun I'm eating meat all day she goes she's like and you know the response what yeah are you sure that's healthy and I said listen it's healthy I said she goes what are you going to eat I said I don't know go out and buy me steak and burger I think I you know three lbs of hamburger that day so I ate meat and this is how profound the inflammation response can be cuz all I was was inflamed I was on vacation so I had I had eaten some ice cream I went to a German restaurant we were eating bread with butter and oils and you know I was just eating more carbs and that's inflammatory when you're inflamed you feel like crap and I thought all right I'm going to I'm going to see if this works the third day I woke up I was brand new I'm like oh my God the my neck feels great my shoulder feels great my back feels great inflammation drop that was in July last year it's been a year almost you know over a year and a half I haven't stopped I'm like and I've had a few you know I have had some fruit along the way but I've eaten meat the whole time I haven't taken a bite of a vegetable which I was I would take bags of um spinach blend them and put them in you know some concoction of some protein drink and pound it with the the amount of oxalates I was eating was sickening and I went to from that to nothing and since then you know I remember doing this and hearing especially you saying look you don't you don't need carbs to play rugby so I was heading into the fall season last year I'm like okay can I do this on a carnivore diet is this for real you know I'm going to test it at 57 last year I just turned 58 can I still do this and and if anyone knows rugby it's a 80 minute match it is brutal from start to finish you're being chased especially guys with like me with gray hair they want to kill me and they want they see me smaller I'm 165 they see me small and old and they're like I'm I'm gonna kill this guy and I don't let them I played 80 minutes and I ended I'm like son of a gun we can do it so um I'll kind of pause there but it has been an amazing journey over over time and I only wish I had found the carnivore back in you know chiropr practic school so I could have implemented it then who knows where I'd be right now hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show for everybody down in Australia Stockman steaks who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed to your door something I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver kidneys and beef heart as well so use code chaffy today for free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at Stockman steaks.com and I'll see you over there thanks guys yeah or or before you know I mean that that's the thing it's um it I think it's yeah well I mean if if I was able to to do this when I was a kid too I mean I just always imagine sort of what else what else would be like what kind of athlete I would have been like how much taller I would have been how much you know heavier I would have gotten you know so it's um it's and then obviously I I I flipped this just randomly luckily when I was 20 um but you know what would have happened if I just stayed with it if I hadn't sort of gone off the path if I had someone you know that I could have listened to and said like hey actually this is this is exactly what you want to do um that would have been that would have been really awesome I um I think that's great I think it's really a testimony you know that you're you're still playing rugby you know in your 50s and you just haven't you know haven't haven't stopped since you not not many people can do that you know like Rugby's a special sport because you know people generally get like quite passionate about it I'd absolutely love it if I you know was able to i' I'd be playing right now but um it's it's one of those games that just like if you get the bug like it doesn't go away um and that's awesome so how have you feeling now so you've been playing this whole basically fall season coming into the winter season now and you've been playing this whole time as carnivore yeah yeah uh I I play my matches I train you know on Carnivore and I basically eat whatever I want you know I mean meat wise I if I'm hungry I eat if I eat three meals a day or one meal a day it doesn't matter and what was crazy is when I would eat the eat more of a plant-based diet before you know with I would blend vegetables I would you know eat pounds of vegetables a day big salads walnuts avocado I was never s satisfied never I was eating protein I was drinking protein drinks throughout the day I was eating protein bars I was always craving food always thinking about food it was driving me nuts I had to have food at my office I'd go home and you're always craving and you don't crave when you're when you're eating carbs you don't crave meat you crave carbs because it's a drug it's a sugar and you crave that and it was and it was unsatisfying I was always working on not eating carbs and I would eat carbs and it was healthy carbs but it was always I was always craving it when I went and I started eating high fat High meat and I'll eat you know a half a pound of bacon for breakfast I have my own farm so more of a ranch it's h I have like 50 chickens give me my eggs I have 15 cows 40 sheep provide lamb and beef and my eggs so that's basically all I eat I'll eat 8 to 10 eggs I'll eat half pound of bacon if I want and then I'm satisfied and if I want to have a couple hamburgers at lunch I will if not I wait until dinner time but I don't crave anymore and what is crazy so I've I've been involved in Fitness since the day I could move as a kid you know two three years old I was always active I never had ABS on me I was never fat but I was never I didn't look like a strong athlete I would I had a soft belly had a little layer of fat on my belly when I went carnivore it was about 4 to 6 weeks in I started showing abs and I'm like this is crazy that at 57 years old at the time I'm getting some ABS where my entire life as a kid and during my hormone years of my 20s and I was playing rugby then nothing like this is crazy and even I I stopped drinking beer four and a half years ago and I I remember that day when I stopped drinking I'm like man I'm going to set set some belly fat and I wasn't overweight I was about 170 at the time and when I started doing carnivore I was about 175 and it was just that that layer of belly fat that just you couldn't see your abs I lost 10 to 12 pounds almost immediately within about 30 to 45 days and I wasn't trying you know I didn't really care to lose weight I just lost belly fat and I started showing ABS I'm like even with stopping drinking it didn't happen so I'd post these pics and i' don't post them to my kids on our little family group chat like look I'm getting abs and my my one daughter said dad you're like a little teenage kid discovering his abs for the first time and I said I am because I've never had him in my life and it was just it was just I wasn't striving for it it was just fun and uh but the the satiety you get from meat and fat and the calories it's just it's amazing you know I'll go home at night and if I want to have two or three steaks I I do but if I'm only hungry for a steak like last night I had a probably a 30 Oz um sirloin I ate probably about 22 o of it and I was done put it away I had it with butter and I was done for the night and uh it it's the most freeing easy diet to I wouldn't say it's a diet it's just a way way of eating um that I've ever had God I wish I had this when I was when I was younger and my my dad it was it was interesting when my dad had heart disease when he was going to the doctor they told him don't eat meat don't eat fats we started we stopped butter and we went to those tubs of margarine oh God poison you know that hydrogenated crap uh we had tubs of that he started trying to eat better and they told him don't exercise because your heart's weak and I'm like something's wrong about this so you know just the whole system the whole the whole um way of life with uh way we're taught from the pharmaceutical world the drug world the the food world is for their benefit to keep us sick pump Us full of drugs keep us sick Foods I mean it's just it's it's a racket it's crazy so and we're in America I mean you know you were here it's it's we're probably one of the sickest nations in the world and we have everything and this just this is crazy and and we get off the garbage Food Eat Right exercise and and I look at the spine and our posture alignment as part of that too the top three we do some simple things we have power powerful results but that doesn't that doesn't make them money so they're not going to promote that yeah and the and the sad thing about that is too is that you know clinicians and people learning this they don't realize that this is this isn't this is coming from you know the the food and drug cartels I don't even think of companies anymore I think of was cartels and so we don't realize that that our curriculum you your plant-based curriculum in in chiropractice school and you my you know pharmacological based you know curriculum in medical school this is this is all just coming down from the fruit and drug cartels and you know then you go through residency and you have uh your periods of of training I mean you go to conferences and all that sort of stuff they're almost always sponsored by you know fizer and Coca-Cola and all that sort of stuff um but really the majority of your of your day-to-day education comes in you know Tuesday afternoon you get a catered lunch from a drug rep and they come here and say oh here's the new research on on drug acts and for some reason you know when you're that mindset and you're a hospital you just think of these people as like the pharmaceu the the research wing of the hospital like they work with you and for you to bring you the new research and of course they're not they're salespeople and that's that's fine but we need to understand that that's their their job they're not they're not trying to provide us you know a balanced picture of of all the data they're just they're just trying to you know sell their product and we don't realize that we don't recognize that and so very well-meaning doctors like I'm sure your father's doctors wanted the best for him but they gave him terrible advice that was some of the worst advice that I think you could ever give a cardiac patient and unfor you know and that and that's something that these people are going to have to live with they they spent their whole careers giving people horrendous advice and they could they could just go into denial and just be like no I'm never going to admit that this was wrong or I did anything wrong or you could be like Tim noes you know who said I got that wrong I to undo this and he's been spending his retirement trying to undo his own legacy he could have just retired his books were selling he was doing fine he was a big name and he could have just you know just uh just walked off you know a winner but you know he decided to undo his own legacy and because that was the right thing to do um you know and so I think that's that's uh you know the you know clinicians have the right intentions much of the time it's just a matter of getting the right information them something that's not adulterated by the food and drug cartels and so and more are you know you know you are um I I am many many doctors that I work with are not changing their tune I have patients coming into me now and I don't even talk to them about a carnivore diet and they're just like they're like yeah so my my GP you know put me on like so I had to go keto and like try to transition into carnivore I'm like who who's your doctor like that's great I want to know their name like that's great that's exactly what I would I would tell you to do and this situation so you know it is coming and it is getting better but it's um you know it has to it has to move through you know conversations like this where you know people pass these things along and they just they educate themselves because um right now the education is coming from the wrong people it's not coming from unbiased sources it's coming from very biased sources and we just don't don't realize that yeah and I I think unless they're willing to step back and say look I'm going to take time off my busy schedule so your schedule's busy so is mine and and most doctors have a busy schedule they don't take time to investigate and if you investigate just with Google or just you know do some basic searches you won't find it you got to dive deep when I did the carnivore I heard um Dr Baker wrote a book so I ordered it immediately I read Sally Norton's book I read the the cholesterol myth i s I read about eight books because when I came back patients were looking me like Doc you're looking good and I didn't say anything you know I'm like okay they're going to think I'm crazy let me get the science behind it so I read I I would be up reading at 3 in the morning I mean my mind was just spinning with like I wanted to learn this stuff and the more I learned the more I started to investigate and the more it made truth that's most people don't take time to get to that point and and I said to a patient the other a patient asked asked me the other day she said I uh I want to I think I'm going to go on a fast you know a water fast and I said okay and I hate fasting I'm like I tried the intermittent fasting and all that stuff through this whole process if you eat meat you don't I don't believe you ever have to do that again she I said why she goes well I just want to reduce my risk of cancer and just be healthy I said valid point very good I said but do you know if you just want carnivore you'll you won't eat sugar which sugar is the the leading uh contributor to cancer and you know toxins and you know disease I said if you just eat meat you don't have to worry about it she goes I heard about you doing this and she her first thing was well what about cholesterol and I said it's a myth it's a myth and I said I have a book if you're interested uh my what was interesting when I read the cholesterol myth my cholesterol ratio my triglyceride H ratio which they said in the book that's a that's a higher risk if you if you measure that you have a a more valid point of heart disease or heart problems mine was 2.46 so almost 2.5 if it's under 2.0 you have a very low risk of heart problems that was on a a plant uh vegetable meat diet it was like on a whole food diet when I went carnivore and I think 90 days in I got my blood work I want to see how my just how it would affect me because cholesterol go changes all the time yeah I don't even care to really I since then I haven't looked at it but my cholesterol ratio my triglyceride HL ratio went from 2.6 2.5 to 1.4 so I was under 2.0 so and my resting heart rate over the last year is 53 so I said to this patient I said look my resting heart rate is 53 I'm 58 years old my triglyceride ratio HL is low cholesterol is irrelevant it's not the the point you have to look at other factors and she said okay so I think she may read the book but you know we're just not getting the information and doctors aren't getting this so unless they start reading and take time to start reading some books and dive in deep they're getting it like which just what you said from conferences or from summaries of uh research done by fizer or you know some other drug cartel that you said they're getting a summary of what they want the doctors to know don't even get the the the whole article so we're being brainwashed by who's above us and uh it's unfortunate I I'm so thankful that I've always been intrigued with learning and and kind of bucking the system and and diving in deep and uh that's why I play rugby I just want to be different I'm like call me crazy so and my patients say they'll say are you sure this is healthy I always laugh I'm like I said to one patient no it's it's complet complely unhealthy I said are you crazy I said look if I'm playing rugby at 58 years old my body weight's good my exercise is good I can play with 20 and 30 year olds I'm not going to do anything unhealthy so it uh my lifestyle and and this this crazy rugby stuff gives me a platform to um hopefully educate them and say you know what he may be on to something so I hope that I hope it is and I hope this podcast too maybe encourag people say look we don't have to give up when we're 40 when we're 50 we can still do incredible things but you you have to you have to take action you can't sit on the sidelines and you sitting on the sidelines watching a game is not fun getting in and playing even if you get beat up it's fun but you have to take action to succeed yeah and you know the thing is too is that that you you you physically wouldn't be able to play rugby you know at any age if you're you it's any cra degree if you're if you're eating a very unhealthy diet if you're in your 50s and you're eating a crap diet you know there's no chance I mean people you can get away with it early on you're certainly not going to have the performance that you would otherwise but you know as we as we age you know you really need to be on point with a lot of these things or else you know you're going to get you're get a lot of serious problems so I mean the simply fact the simple fact that you're you're able to keep performing is awesome um what position do you play by the way I played in anyone knows anything about rugby you know if you watch a rugby game uh the big guys are getting hit very hard all the time I'm I played scrum half so I didn't get killed as much uh but now I play Fly half and I told the I told the team I started doing that a few years I I went back and forth my main position scrum but I they said hey we need a we need a guy to lead the team out here and I kept trying to get teach people how to play scrum half and I said all right I'll play Fly half but I not going to be the guy hammering in to these these other fly halfes and I'll I'll look at my opponent I'm like crap he's 25 he's on the allar team in Pittsburgh I'm like okay I gotta fly up so he doesn't get any ground on me or he'll kill me um and I'm still holding my own and and it's uh so I just avoid getting hammered anymore I I know how to kick I know how to pass I know how to read the field pretty good so I can um strategically get around the field pretty good without getting k so and and people will say well you don't hit anymore and I said no that's impossible I hit and I and I know how to hit and I get hit I said it's minimal compared to what I did you know 20 years ago yeah and then so how did you feel this season as opposed to like previous Seasons before you started uh carnivore I I really feel good we just had a uh a practice Saturday and we had a fitness test and we did um we sprinted 50 m walk or jog 50 m we did that for 10 minutes and there were 14 guys out there I think I finished fourth on the team um with the the the yamal that we did so I was still up there and I did I actually did a Sprint workout that morning because I didn't know we were going to be doing this so I uh I I just never have stopped I mean I think that's the the key to keeping this is I've never taken a season off I've never taken more than a couple weeks off of working out um but I feel really good and it was it was the first season it was last last fall my daughter came home um I have two girls in chiropractic school and Heidi's out in California at life and she's on Rugby scholarship which is I never thought one of my girls would follow me into Chiropractic and in rugby but she is and she came home her and her fiance and she was watching me play and uh at the end of the game I'm still you know juking down the field making cuts and you know still still getting gains you know on the field she goes dad you you look better than you have in years and I said it has to be the carnivore the only thing I've changed over the last year and a half is half is carnivore just eliminate the the carbs and the sugars and um I feel really good I I feel excited going into the spring season I get um I get geared up and you know we still have a couple months to play a match but I'm I train hard uh and I just love it it's it's keeps me it keeps me going and I I think we have to find something mine is rugby um I I tried jiujitsu you know a couple years ago because my son-in-law does it I thought well maybe I'll add that in I just didn't like it I'm like I'm I'm good at rugby let me just keep going but we have to find something that gets us up in the morning to say Let Me Go train so knowing that I have a match in two months if I don't train harder than these young kids I'll get killed so I have to train harder I have to visualize that I can still do this I watch rugby every time I work out I have rugby on the on the screen um it's part it's just part of my life but that's what drives me to stay healthy whether it's pickle ball rugby Jiu-Jitsu running just lifting weights like find something to get you up in the morning to say I can do this so now you know my youngest my son he's at a D1 school running track and cross country he might to chiropractic school um he it was funny he as as we started learning this carnivore stuff he started he said uh I think I was more of a carnivore growing up because he hated vegetables and we would we' say eat your broccoli eat your eat your salads he goes I don't like it and Aaron is ripped he's he's like 62 63 and I'm only five I'm not even 5'8 I'm about 5'8 um he's tall he's lean looks like a model I mean he's just ripped muscle wise and he runs track cross country and uh so he's not a big lifter you yet he looks really good looks like one of the kenyon's Messiah tribe you know and um he he was more carnivore and I thought you were in on to something maybe that's why you're 6'2 too um so yeah I feel great I feel great going into this um it's keep my goal is to hit 60 and still play with the team here in Greensburg uh I've played a few few Master games um but I can still do this you know playing with the young guys so I'm so my goal is 60 and then at 60 we'll see what happens I I said this when I was 50 I was you know I got back playing after my scapula fracture and I I played my last match of the season I I would never forget off I called my wife in the parking lot I said hun I think this is it I I hit my goal my goal was 50 I'm done I'll coach the team and I'll I'll play you know intermittently and if they need an extra guy she goes oh good this is good you don't need to do this you're going to get killed and blah blah blah so we go out to play sounds like my mom it you know it it's been like that and finally she stop because I would tell her like hun stop don't tell you know she would say don't get hurt I'm like don't say that say go out and kill somebody you know don't say go get hurt so I told her and she was all happy she's all good and um cuz she seen me live through injuries and agonies and stuff but I've always come back so I play the match I I still kick for the team I I can't give that up I can still kick I probably kick a 35 maybe a 40 meter kick and I still love it you know because it keeps me going so I get to score so I scored like 23 points that game I had a try I I made like eight kicks I end the game I'm player of the match at 50 years old we win the game like 50 to 22 or something and I call her and I tell her the results and there's this long pause and she goes you're not quitting are you and I said I can't I can't I I said I still have it I still got it said I can't do it I said I got player the match damn it I said I'm in and uh so then my goal was can I get to 60 so I'm heading into 60 uh I feel like I'll hit that with with no problem at all so once I hit 60 who knows maybe I'll I'll go for 65 or something but uh it's um it it definitely the the carnivore diet gave me the edge it it uh increased my fitness increased my body physique I'm actually stronger but leaner uh I can still run and and um I just feel great so it it's just it's it's getting optimal and you can't get optimal on a plant-based oxalate ridden crappy diet and and the first thing it kind of like triggered me is when I read that cyanide is an almonds and I heard that I was like wait a second I was eating almonds every day you know a handful of almonds drinking almond milk and stuff I'm like cyanide I'm like this can't be so I I I found that so that that that was like a trigger that I said if a toxin is in a plant and maybe if it's it's not even traceable if you're eating small amounts of almonds but is a little bit a little bit of C good it can't be a little bit of C can't be good long term and there's no I don't think there's any studies on this long-term effects of eating small amounts of almonds for let's say 30 40 years there absolutely are oh yeah no it cause neurological damage and and thyroid dysfunction yeah yeah because we have a lot of data on especially in the tropics on because they they rely a lot on cassava and cassava is uh teeming with cyanide so there's sweet cassava and bitter cassava bitter cassava has so much C it'll just kill you and so they have to they have to treat it and and reduce the amount of cide in there but but it doesn't eliminate all the cyanide in it and the sweet cassaba has some cyanide in just like almonds has some cyanide in it but like two pounds of almonds in the day can kill you right right so there's it's not Trace like there's it's there you know and so yeah so long-term uh lowd dose exposure to cyanide uh can cause neurological damage thyroid dysfunction and other end organ damage as well um especially in those who are uh protein deficient that aren't aren't meeting their um you know their their their protein requirements and the thing is that we look at these protein requirements and we look at oh yeah you know I'm sort of getting that I'm almost there those are not a maximum that's not a like yes you filled your requirement for today that that's a bloody minimum and a lot of people are looking at that as like oh if I get enough of that or near that then that's good enough no no you want way past that and so a lot of people are getting below that and so especially in Tropics especially in these third world countries it's a huge problem because cassaba is the third most uh important calorie Source in all the tropics and it is the primary calorie source for uh half a billion people around the world or maybe 750 million yeah between half half a billion and three4 of a billion people so it's a major problem um there was I was actually speaking to to a patient about this the other day and and I haven't corroborated uh this number but they were saying that they had looked this up and that the who had said that um maximum safe you know acceptable dose of cyanide in a food stuff in a food product was like 10 milligrams a day um uh or you know whatever they um that's what they said so I don't know exactly what that is but that was what they're saying the the point is is that there is a limit they're saying well it's you know maximum this but there's tapioca flow which comes from you know from cassava and has cyanide in it and there's cassava chips you know you go to Bali or in Indonesia it's just bags of cassava chips right and almonds obviously nowhere on those packages does it say hey this is how much cyanide this contains don't eat more than two bags in a day or you'll reach your limit for Cyanide no where says that and of course no one would buy that crap they had if they had hey this is your maximum amount of cyanide that you can have today and so and also you know they don't who's checking you know no one's checking these things so there are no safeguards there's no controls and there's no warning for anybody that hey this has cyanide this is how much Cyanide and this is how much their maximum is and so don't have more than this you know there there are no Safeguard there's there's no safety rails on any of this stuff and that's just cyanide you know they have they have that upper limit for Cyanide but what about all the other toxins that are in plant what about saline saline kills people and yet no warning labels about saline on tomatoes or potatoes eggplants Peppers all these sorts of things or how much is safe and and what to do if um you know if you get too much of a dose so yeah it's um it's it's pretty shocking actually that uh these that that we allowed to put all this garbage in there there are known maximums of certain things and yet nowhere it does it say what that maximum is or even that there's a toxin in there that has a maximum which I think is absolutely uh out of just completely out of bounds I mean this is actually you know damaging people it's clearly is damaging people yeah and you'll you'll see the the like the Pharmaceuticals the drugs will have those warnings we would say well don't take too much medication or street drugs like don't don't don't do too much heroin or cocaine because it's a toxin and when I read about the cyanide I didn't see those studies I just knew I'm like it has to accumulate in the body it's going to accumulate in the cells in the tissue in the brain you can't keep eating cyanide and not have it affect you and intuitively I said no freaking way and then when I read about the oxalates and you know you'll hear people say well don't eat the leaves of a rhar plant because it's highly toxic if you ate a few leaves you'd be dead wait a second what about spinach you know 4 gram of spinach or I think 3.5 gram of spinach can kill you here I'm blending about six to eight 600 to maybe a thousand milligrams of spinach a day because I'm blending it and chugging it grams of oxalates I think OES yeah like like 3.54 grams of oxalates yeah and I'm and I'm getting maybe a th milligrams I'm getting a third of that I'm like oh dear God I'm like this is insane so I'm like done with spinach done with almonds and you know that's what once I learn that because that's a simple I mean everyone eats spinach we hear spinach is good spinach is the Deep greens it's good for you I put my foot on The Brak and I said whoa wait a second I got to go down this Rabbit Hole I got to start looking into this and when I just looked up and I think it was you or Dr Baker said you know just get a botany book and look look up plants yeah and every every uh you know you Google this and it will say plants have toxins inner inner toxins built into them because my patients would say yeah but that's the spray I said no the spray on is just excess you eat organic spinach it's bad for you and if it's a little bit bad why even do it when I eat my steak from my farm my my my cows are grass-fed all they do eat is grass and hay in the winter time and drink well water there's no toxicity level when they eat the greens it processes through their body so it doesn't convert it doesn't convert into oxalates into my body I get pure meat but I get all the nutrients and I thought why why just why I have to eat the plants then this doesn't make any sense so that that just I hopefully you know if you hear this go do your research and start start looking at this and find the science and if you find the science you'll see how clear it is it's not it's irrefutable and that's what blew me away is why haven't I learned this before I've gone to conferences and would get speakers and when my podcast for for like a year and a half I did over 150 episodes and that's where I I found Professor noes and and Belinda fety and I started hearing these people but majority of people would say eat a plant-based diet get your greens get your vegetables it was the same thing over and over and I got sick of it I'm like I'm done done with the podcast so um yeah the the the research and the science is is out there if you dig into it and if you just hear that one thing about the cyanide shouldn't it trigger you to say wait a second where where is more and that's what it did for me yeah well that's good I'm glad that that you know that got you yeah I mean cyanide is is toxic to all life I you know almonds and the other plants there about 2 200 different plants that we know of that that will use cyanide as basically like a kill switch if you chew into that and start massing it gets crushed it will release two chemicals that join to make Cyanide and so it's like a kill switch it it would damage the plant too it kill the plant too so it can't just have it there floating around and so you chew into it and he just says all right well we're getting killed anyway we're taking you with me we're taking you with us you know so at least you can't go and you know eat more of us you know down the road and uh it's it's very toxic to the mitochondria as we're coming to understand now is very important for metabolic health and and chronic diseases and Cancers and things like that so it it directly damages the mitochondria so low grade exposure to this is going to toxify and damage your mitochondria throughout your body in your brain in your body in your heart and all your organs so it's absolutely nasty stuff and and the people that say well but this is the oh just the stuff we spray on them it's just people have this this thought that the only bad things that exist on Earth are done by humans it's like no there there are actual things out there that'll kill you you know like nature is wild it's kill or be killed and so you know if you you know if you eat the wrong plant when you're out in the wild like you will die you know most plants out in the wild will kill you and um you know and I I sort of say to them you know it's just like you know before we had all these you know uh you know humanitarian volunteers went around spraying pesticides to protect all the plants from all these bugs and insects like they had protection they were able to protect themselves you know this isn't like this isn't a charity Mission you know for for spraying these these plants and how do these plants exist before we started spraying pesticides on them those plants are completely resistant and poisonous to nearly every bug and animal that is that exists in this world it's just there are some that have genetic adaptations and and evolutionary adaptations to be able to uh you weather and and detoxify those specific specific toxins in that plant that's why we do GMOs we add you know another protein that is toxic to you know other plants it makes it more toxic like no no no we're breeding these things to be less and less toxic well that would mean we'd need more and more pesticides and that and pesticides cost money so in fact we're breeding these to be more more toxic which is what GMOs are they make them more now they make them cold resistant they make them drought resistant but they also make them Locust resistant and you know other and aphid resistant and all that sort of stuff that's with toxins so they're becoming more toxic and so they can use less pesticides and the pesticides are just there to fill the gaps but the pesticides we spray on them fill the gaps but the the plants themselves already have an abundance of pesticides already in them and we've known that for 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know it's not an industry here they're just doing it for themselves in the community and they even tell me they can't get corn that hasn't have built-in pesticides and herbicides in it genetically modified corn they can't even get natural corn anymore and the and they're they're trying not to because they they don't want it local farmers don't want this stuff they know how bad it is but it's the the industry is making this um the the common and you they can't get it so it's happening not just at the big Global industry these Farmers that are raising hundreds thousands of cows this is small farmers that are trying to do it too so I just I don't do anything on my farm I and what's interesting is my cows my sheep the goats I have two Emos too and I just have them for fun you know and uh they won't eat anything unless it's of what they eat you can't try to feed them something they'll come up and look at it and just walk away you know they just stop not their food they know and here we as humans we force feed ourselves we as soon as we get our taste buds triggered God we're going down a bad path you know and my patients will ask me and they'll say well doc I like ice cream I like bread I like this stuff and they're like don't you like that and I said it tastes it's sugar it's a drug of course if I eat it I would crave it and I and I would like it I would get sick but I would like it because it's a sugar it's a drug but I don't need it now and I haven't had any of that in a year and a half and I don't miss it um I have a big steak put some butter on it satisfied and um yeah it's it's an industry that's it's not just it's affecting every every angle you got to be really careful and if we get the meats even if they're not organic grass-fed like mine I still believe it's healthier than all this plant-based stuff and and the Almond milks and the the soy burgers that I was doing before so it can be done uh it's just you just have to be aware of what you're you know trying to put in and be aware of what the industry is doing and just start making some some efforts yeah definitely yeah it's always funny when they say well you know I like ice cream and I like this like I bet you'd like cocaine too not really the point you know it's not really a drug yeah exactly um and I said earlier you know we've known that that there were um you know natural pesticides in plants for decades known and and been able to quantify and show how much um for at least decades we known there's been toxins in plants for Millennia you know we we've always known that we've been using plants I mean Socrates was killed by drinking they gave him Hemlock you know so we we know we knew that these things were toxic we used plants to murder people uh and execute people going back Millennia so you know this is something we we've always known about and just in the last hundred years with this whole plant-based push the Seventh Day Adventist and and the processed food cartels generally started and run by the seventh day Adventists you know that that Chang is saying oh plants are healthy plants are healthy plants are healthy plants are healthy you know the the you know Lena Cooper who who founded the American uh nutritional dietetics Association then called the American dietetics Association like 1918 she was a Seventh Day Adventist and she was pushing this plant plant-based agenda because they are religiously anti- meat you know they thought that it it caused you to have lustful feelings and want to have sex my goodness and perpetuate the race what what a sin and um you know she was pushing this from an early from early 20th century wrote you know one of the first textbooks on nutrition that was taught in colleges in 1925 this is from the outset it's not that they've invaded and corrupted the nutritional Sciences they founded it in the first place they started out corrupt they started out biased and uh then we just we just forgot all this this uh knowledge going back to Antiquity about how toxic plants are and is just it's just Insanity we're just so living this Mass delusion you know where we think that we're in the Garden of Eden and that no plants can harm us it's it's absolutely nuts but I'm glad that you figured that out it sounds like you're you're doing really well it sounds like your kids are interested in this as well what has your family thought about that I'm sure they thought you were crazy for a while but then uh you know did they have they come around what is your family eating now too they're eating more meat they don't they're not carnivore but way more meat um even my little grandson I have five grandkids and he was probably a year old and my daughter sends a picture he has a a steak bone chewing on it you know teething and I'm like that's it good job he loves he loves meat um it's funny my my wife uh we had we had a small garden and she would plant tomatoes and greens and stuff not much so she did it last year and you know as I was going through this carnivore she planted it and pled stuff and the kids said mom why did you do that and she goes I didn't think he would do it this long I didn't think he would stay on it this long and I said hun there's no way I'm going back I mean it when you find toxins and you find damaged and nonoptimal why go back it and it doesn't taste good eating a salad sucks I would eat a huge salad and an hour later I'm starving and I'm craving I'm like I can eat a big steak and I get on the scale my weight has gone down so I'm still down I weigh about 162 to 165 and I started the 175 um I feel great I can run and still play rugby why am I new I'm getting more nutrients from this so but they because I have meat I Supply my kids with all the meat so we butchered up two cows last year I didn't sell any because I'll probably eat all that I'll probably eat you know at least a full cow myself this year with lamb and um and my eggs so they eat eggs all the time um you know we Supply them with eggs so it's it's uh they're getting it they're getting it from Dad so they uh they're definitely doing more and it's it's an education thing I mean they've seen me do crazy things I mean I've I've ran Ultra marathons I still play rugby I ran some marathons in the day I just I just I'm always adventurous and I'm like I got to try something you know I'll do something and this is not a fat this is a discovery of what I should have known my entire life and and once it's it's similar to exercise and fitness I don't exercise you know five six days a week because it's a fad it's a lifestyle choice because I want to be optimal if I stop exercising I'm not going to be optimal if I don't check my alignment my posture and my um you know keeping my nerve system optimal I'm not going to be optimal if I don't eat properly I'm not going to be optimal so it's a it's a standard that um is part of my uh my core it's not a it's not a you know I every once in a while I'll get in a I'll cold plunge you know I'll do that for fun I don't think that's a that's a standard I don't think that's necessary going out Barefoot on the in the grass getting grounded I think that's okay but it's not as profound as eating or exercise or even spinal alignment um getting in a cold shower is good but it's not that profound and so this is this is something here to say and a lot of my patients it's interesting that they're I've I put together a uh 40-minute uh pod not a podcast like a zoom call webinar I put it on a um on a video on my website and I I just refer people there because they they're always asking are you sure I can do what do you think I need to do I'm like just go listen to this so I took all your information all the books information just put it in a PowerPoint you know a 40 minute PowerPoint video I said listen to this so I believe more of my patients are eating more meat my staff is um the my doctor associate who works with me Brent he saw how I was working out and like son of a gun this guy's 15 years older than me and he's he can work out harder than me he's lean he's in shape I'm going to do it so he went carnivore he's lost 20 PBS feels great feels like he's gone back like 20 years in aging um so it's it's proof I it does work and uh I think you know any when my patients ask her family I'm like just eat more meat start there start with a steak don't eat salad eat a big steak start eating more meat and I have found and based on Research red meat more optimal has way more nutrients if I eat chicken I'm starving if I and if I eat chicken I have to eat the skin so I just don't eat chicken much I had turkey the other day and I woke up with an upset belly my my stomach was growling I had diarrhea I'm like from turkey and that's all I ate because it wasn't as nutrient dense and as fat dense is my beef so when I eat my beef and my lamb and my eggs um I never have GI issues I go to the bathroom once a day never have any problems there um feel satisfied and I know I'm getting my nutrients so it's uh if you're having you know that debate of what should I do just eat more meat start with eat five hamburgers in one day and see what happens yeah definitely yeah well I think that's that's really good advice you know people that doing this just have dinner start with a steak just eat as much as you can much as you feel like and then just to see how you go yeah it's um yeah I've heard people people well Dr Salsbury uh when you the Salsbury diet and the Salsbury steak you know was just red meat and water and this you know cured what I ill you and um that was that that influenced people for you know decades after that and then I think you know the nutritional bodies and things like that from the Seventh Day Adventist started taking over and started started you know Shifting the needle but um and also there was a big movement in the 1800s to go away from meat because long before the seven day Adventists you know said that this was this was an act of God uh it was just the the thought that if you if as part of the temperance mood as part as the sort of puritanical Victorian era that if you if you ate Less meat and you and you ate a higher Bland plant-based diet this would suppress sexual urges and this was a good thing because obviously it just so sinful to want to repr produce but in fact when you look at animals when they when they aren't interested in mating in reproduction it means they there's something wrong there's something there's sick their diet is deficient they're not they're malnourished their hormones are out of balance because that's what life is about it's about making more life and so if your body is telling you hey look you're not you're not going to make it don't have kids that means something's very wrong and um but they said that I saw that um uh someone was writing up about carnivore and this that and the other they referred back to Salsbury and they said that that was the original fad diet you know was just this oh flash in the pan didn't work all this well it did work damn well did work they didn't even claim that it didn't work they just said it was you know came and went but the whole point of the idea of a fat is that it's you know you're you're cutting out all these things it's not good for you it's not sustainable and it's like a short-term thing and it burns itself out what we've been eating for millions of years cannot be a fad by definition because we've been eating it for millions of years so it's not short term right that's the norm that's established that's what's been happening for millions of years plants are The Fad plants are what happened recently and so this whole vegetarian thing plant-based thing that's The Fad it's just we're we're living in it unfortunately we you know but we're just sort of in the you know in the in the microscopic view when we pull out to the geological view you don't even see plants on that on that line it's just meat so you know it's just a matter of getting this back out there so we can get out of the current fat that we're in eating this highly processed junk garbage and this a you know agricultural post agricultural plant-based diet that stuff needs to go we need to go back we need to cut The Fad and go back to our original diet that we've been eating for millions of years um Ain it's been an absolute pleasure um I think that that um well a lot of people can take a lot from this and be very inspired by this I mean it's just a simple fact that you know you're still you're still going you're still so active and you're just showing that like look this is you know this still early middleaged if not even less than that you if you look at like Alexander the Great his his soldiers were any from 20 to to in their 60s holding a 14 foot long steel spear with a 5 foot long uh blade on it just absolutely Lac people with like a 50 to1 kill ratio and just you know just took over most of the Known World guys in their 60s they had a general that was leading from the front at the head of his Cavalry at 78 right so you know this is something that our bodies are much more more than capable of my friend Dr Shan Omar said that he thinks that in the future if people start going carnivore and things like that and staying carnivore and living their whole lives carnivore that you see some of the top athletes in the world in their 50s and 60s and and that's kind of jarring to think about but if your body's working the same way it did in your 20s and 30s and you have another 40 years of experience that's not you know that's going to be pretty pretty formidable so I'm excited to see how you do in the coming years and like I want to see if you you start pushing yourself in the Sprints and the exercis and try to really like go after it like you're you're 22 again and see how how badass a shape you can get into and uh and see see what you can do in the coming years I'll uh I'll let you know that that little um challenge gets gets some fire under me any anytime that happens you know I'm like or if you there was a game we played once and we were playing a college team and I went out to do the coin toss and stuff and the kid looks at me he goes hey what's up Gramps all right well I scored the first Cy and I kicked for the team so I I lined up looked at him I'm like I smiled I'm like you son of a gun and uh it's fun and and there was something and those kind of f it's like we need to find that fire one thing and this this probably sparked me for a good five years we played the Highland Games you know we we do a game to entertain the people at a Highland Games um event so we played a college team and I scored I think I scored two or three tries kicked a bunch and it was just I had like a a phenomenal game this is about three years ago so my daughter is in college and she's sitting in class and uh she's the one who's down at life in Georgia now chiropractic school and they Sydney they said her name Sydney Trester and the kid looked at her he goes are you're Sydney truster he goes does your dad play rugby she goes yeah and he goes he kicked our ass on Saturday so she she told me that and I was like yes so it's those those kind of challenges or Sparks I'm in for another five years I said all right I'm want to keep playing so I'll uh I'll keep you I'll keep you informed and and hopefully you know it's it's one of those things that inspires people to just go out and do more you know not give up and uh whatever that is and uh I think you know I get that from other people and I hope this this does puts a little fire underneath somebody else to get him to go out and do it absolutely well great Aaron that was absolute pleasure meeting you finally it's been great to talk to you uh on email and now in person um can you tell everybody uh you have are you socially you have social media and things like that or a website or anything like that people can go to yeah if uh they go to inate life I in the number eight life.com that's my website that's my Facebook Instagram those type of things they type in my name you'll find me we do a lot of um Social Media stuff out there a lot of Education uh and if I can help in any way or do anything for anyone let me know I I I love being a part of uh the community educating and inspiring perfect and I want to thank you again you know what you guys are doing I know how much work it takes to put on a podcast and uh the work your you know the busy work your being a doctor in the hospital and then doing this um you're changing lives and you changed my life and I want to thank you for that you've changed my family and you're changing my patience because of what you're doing um it just keeps spreading and that's why I was so excited that I love telling my story because I hope that it does the same for somebody else so keep it up and I appreciate you thank you very much I appreciate you and um great uh well thank you everyone for joining if please do uh take a look 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