Top Cancer EXPERT: Could This Help Against CANCER?

the patients who has different type of cancer they are coming and sharing their data this is how we we have experience with with almost all kind of cancer how many people do you know of that have have treated their cancer with duum depleted water at this point in Hungary about 30,000 patients in worldwide should be about maybe 100,000 I don't know but we know that thousands of patients alive because they consumed thew and several 10,000 patients live longer than it was expected just because the DW was part of the therapy welcome to the plantree MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically all right hello everyone thank you for joining another episode of the plant-free MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest guest a returned guest Dr Gabor somai who is here to talk to us and give us some updates on duum which I I think is the absolutely fascinating topic and something that uh definitely deserves U closer looks and more research so uh gabra thank you so much for joining thank you and please to see you again yeah yeah it's good to see you so how have you been yeah I'm fine yeah we can say we had a great progress so it means then I feel better if you don't struggle so much and and you see the path and you see that okay we are getting closer closer day by day that that help a lot yeah definitely so what what are some of the advances you've had so for people that that haven't seen our previous episode you're an expert in in detarium can you can you just give a brief rundown and explanation about Dum and and why this is important for our health yeah so the the question is finally how can we regulate the cell growth what would be the target to cancer what would be the way to find a real breakthrough and to find a real solution to solve the cancer problem and the key issue is that and the reason that cancer drug development has failed that the life is not organized on a molecular level so even the big farm or small farm is going to find of molecules hoping that that can bind to the Ty Kines and that should be a good drug it it we cannot see that and so my concept was that there is a submolecular regulatory system and that system based on the Dum hydrogen ratio the deum is a heavy hydrogen with a mess number two comparing with the hydrogen with a mess number one and due to the 100% Mass difference these two hydrogen behaves different in chemical reaction it is called isotopic effect this is one fact the other fact that the ratio between the deum and hydrogen or hydrogen Dum is 6,600 to1 which means we can say very rare the deuterium but uh explaining in Millo the deum level it's about 12 13 Millo in human body which means six times higher than the calcium 10 times higher than magnesium and even that it wasn't investigated the possible role of the etherum in the living organism so when I started my research the question was whether the life during the billions of years made give any role of this heavy hydrogen so I prepared dtin depleted water and tested in tissue culture and I found that in duetin depleted media we could stop and we could slow down the cell growth of cancer cell lines and we when we replaced the drinking water on mice which had been transplanted with breast cancer we could save the life of the mice which which suggests that the deum has some very important role and we have a way to to develop drugs uh it means we have to reduce the deconcentration because that way we hopefully can inhibit the cell grow and we can trigger the the necrosis the tumor so that was the very beginning 30 years ago for today we can say the basic is that the cell membrane uh transport can increase the DH ratio because when the the gross hormone bite in the membrane and stimulate the sodium hydrogen antiport that antiport will prefer to eliminate transport the hydrogen and that can increase the D ratio in the cell and in the very first paper 30 years ago we we concluded that this is a signal for the cell to initiate the cell multiplication but there is another source of the water in in our body this is the mitochondria because when we eat the food and burn the food of carbon dioxide and and water that metabolic water is Du deated in a healthy cells and the question is how depleted it depends on what type of food we eat carbohydrate will produce water with 150 PPM which is the normal deconcentration but the more fat we has in our diet the lower will be the deconcentration of the metabolic water so in a healthy cells the membrane transport activity and the mitochondria is balanced because the membrane can increase the DH ratio but the mitochondria can keep the DH r at a low level producing du depleted metabolic water and the only common feature each cancer cells is the damaged mitochondria so the MIT the uh in the cancer cells the mitochondria no TCA cycle no de depleted metabolic Water Production and in that kind type of cells very easily can lift up the DH ratio to the thresholds which finally initiate the cell grow and go from G1 to H phase and multiply and multiply and this is the way how finally the the cells is regulated and this is the reason that the cancer cells became cancer cells so we are developing dutin depleted drugs and the simplest say is to replace the daily water intake with duin depleted water and one of our last paper was published recently we evaluated 55 uh cancer patients consuming DW and diagnosed with G blastoma uh the GBM is is one of the worst type of cancer uh patients hopefully maybe can be operated but within a couple of months they relapse and the life expens expect very short so median survival time is about 12 months uh uh today so in our study with 55 uh uh GBM cancer patients we could prove that we increased up to 47 months the median survival time in the group of cancer cell in the group of cancer patients when the ddw consumption was combined with the radiotherapy which suggest that how important and we we have to plan it and combine and figure out the best way of the combination of the commercial therapy and the DW so this is one was one of our last paper we published oh great so I mean that's amazing so so for well so for people that don't know about gbn so G blastomas this is the most aggressive and most common primary brain cancer um without treatment it it's about of three Monon um live expectancy on average and it is always it's considered fatal as soon as you get this diagnosis you considered to have a fatal disease um with chemo and radiation but no surgery it's around eight months with chemo radiation and surgery it's about 15 to 18 months and you know sometimes a little longer um but that that's the published data at the moment and so the the fact that you can improve life expectancy when combined with radi radiotherapy by 47 months is massive um is that with was that with surgery and chemo and radiation or was that just with radiation sure everybody use the So-Cal St protocol which means operation radiotherapy plus th thide and that combination is used in Hungary also and the the the question is always at what what stage we can uh join point and we can integrate the DW to the therapy so most of the people unfortunately start the uh surgery receive the radiotherapy and maybe after that they find us and they start to consume in that case our Medan Survivor not as good as combining the DW with the radiotherapy and regarding the meonis is very important because we so we know that the radiotherapy trigger radical and the ddw consumption also so trigger radicles in the cells and that way we can very easily reach a very high level of radicles which finally will trigger the necrosis and the apoptosis of the tumor cells so it's very important to combine always the the with the with the radiotherapy it's a very good combination yeah I remember you you saying that last time where it was you know the the duum depleted water the ddw that that um well that that was extremely helpful in in and of itself but when when there wasn't enough inflammation when there wasn't enough free radicals that it actually couldn't kill the cancer cells as well is that right yeah yeah you you so in a couple of cases and several case we found that the DW wasn't so effective and then it turned out that those people who are taking lots of antioxidant vitamin C E A or selenium that was the the reason that we couldn't see so good efficacy with DW and and it's again people believe that the more alternative therapy they try they believe the better which is not true because some sometimes combining different alternative therapy can can diminish uh the efficacy so with DW we strongly recommend do not uh combine it with high dose of antioxidant yeah yeah well that and that and that's Obviously good to know because yeah you're right I mean anybody anybody with cancer is going to try to try to take high dose vitamin C and and everything yeah in combination um with those sorts of things but um you know 47 months is is a massive Improvement even 12 months is going to be a big Improvement chemo and radiation is thought to improve life expectancy by a few months maybe around four to six months and surgery a bit longer as long as you can get over 95% um clearance and so you know we're talking about something that is is extraordinarily aggressive and so you're you're just adding in the dyum depleted water see you know in this study has ex extended life more than than on average they would get yeah many multiples of of their life expectancy which is which is absolutely Fant fantastic so that that's been published recently or you just finished that yeah it was it was it was and so finally this is the same what we published with lung cancer for for females we can get over a 100 months median survival time and 45 for for males we had similar with breast cancer we have similar with with prostate cancer and and and the question is clear how can we even improve that type of efficacy and uh and this is the reason we need the drug registration this is the reason we need to combine and figure out the best way with the existing therapy because in in several case we of course we see that the patients do not follow the the right protocol they quit earlier or they can start very late uh stage to consume DW so I we we are pretty sure that these numbers will be even better in the near future oh very good very good so was that I think you had some um some other research that came out recently as well is that right uh yeah the the other maybe is very important in the last year that so as I mentioned the mitochondria has a very important role whether it can control the cell growth MH and to prove that we did an experiment that we changed the drinking water of the laying hands with uh 25 PPM DW and we collected the x of of of this this uh chicken and then we separated the York with the white and we add du depleted Yol to the food of the mice which had been uh transplanted again with with cancer and it was clear that when the mitochondria receive uh very very D depleted lipids that uh help this the mice they live longer and that way we also were able to reduce the growth rate of the tumor in the mice and this is we can go to the ketogenic diet why can be good a ketogenic diet for the cancer patients because the kic diet means duim depletion because eating fat food uh I mean meat with a high fat content that will produce 118 PPM du deputed water in the mitochondria and and this is a big game in the cell the mitochondria producing something the cytool is synthetizing other molecules and and all this Harmon ratio because when the DH ratio is changing then simultaneously thousands of gene expression will change and that way the cells can harmonize all the process in the cell yeah is was it um is it possible to say like which genes they're turning on and the effects that those have do we know that yet yeah so what what we we tested over 200 cancer related genes and over 500y genes and in that study we we use D deputed media normal media and 300 PPM deum energ media and the first uh results was surprising or maybe not surprising that uh almost 80% of the gene expression changed when we changed the deconcentration but more important that 99% of the genes responded to the higher deconcentration which means when I talk about that the membrane transport can increase the D ratio it means that is a message to hundreds of genes that they expression will increase and if we see our numbers that that over 500 T in chines was tested and the 135 expression was increased more than 30% and if we consider that the farmer going to find one molecules to inhibit one tires in KES and when we keep the D level low it means we simul ten we inhibit hundreds of kosin tyosin kosin expression and this is how we can be so effective and this is the reason why the DW uh can be effective independently of the cancer type and and and we can multiply the median survival time of these cancer patients yeah great so well um you know this is this is a subject that I think think is is so interesting you know I my background is in molecular cellular biology um in my undergraduate degree so this this is something that that I think is really interesting from that perspective because you know just looking at the different functions of the cell itself and the properties of the cell and and seeing what's going wrong and you know you know you and um and uh and Dr boros you know talked about how you know this this is again this comes back to mitochondrial issues comes back to damage to the mitochondria this can cause huge problems for the cell including in cancer this is something that we've seen in in um psychiatry in cancer biology improving the mitochondrial health and improving you you improve the the body's Health you you Stave off cancer you help starve out cancer and you know this is another really important piece in that puzzle and and and one of the one of the core underlying factors in mitochondrial Health as well um just because those those that heavy dyum the heavy hydrogen ends up damaging the the molecular structure of the of the membranes in the mitochondria so um this is something I think that deserves a lot more attention and um and and it obviously like you said it it goes hand inand with everything that we're doing from a diet perspective because when you're on a ketogenic diet like a corn diet you you're actually automatically lowering your detarium levels in your body and this is this is just yet another reason why mitochondrial function improves I mean this this is something we've seen in in ketogenic diets in general that after three four months on a ketogenic diet you end up having four times the number of mitochondria and they're four times as effective they work better and so our tissues work yeah yeah do you know the good point is that this year started the research and our company is in a Consortium and the European Union supported .7 million EUR the research with duum depletion and the wburg University Oxford University University at Lisbon is part of that Consortium so hopefully within a couple of months uh these uh groups will publish new data uh we provide the duty debed water to This research and we are communicating and and sharing the data so hopefully and as we can see that now we have over 200 p uh Publications on a ped which is working and and Publishing data with with Dam depletion so it's it's a good sign and then we hope it's it's the number will increase and and uh we will see a clear picture about the efficacy and the mechanism of ddw yeah so what's what's the the future for um this sort of research now do you have do you have other projects in the works at the moment so the primary aim is to get cancer drug so it's it's I am I'm not going to give up because this is the only way that uh that can be part of the therapy and everybody can access to ntion and I I I I'm very sure about that that F be breaks in cancer therapy but we also show the data that that not only the cancer and the cell grows but the metabolism regulated by the by the deconcentration and we published again we published two papers one with a red study where we could prove that uh the best uh deconcentration for the insulin signal system is between 125 140 PPM so even we tested uh the efficacy in the r stud of the 20 PPM 25 PPM 75 PPM not the lowest the concentration reduce the best way the blood sugar level or or diabetic rats it was between 125 140 PPM and this is the the range where what my grandfather had who who ate the bacon and and didn't eat any sugar so the population 600 years ago lived the life in a much lower uh average deconcentration than the so society today so of course the other focus is to to to involve duim depletion to treat metabolic diseases and uh after the red study we study we run a phas two clinical study with 30 patients they were diabetic or close to the diabetes impaired glucose toleran and we could prove that the fasting glucose level was decreased uh within three months and the funny thing was that after C UH 60 days we had a peak in the fasting glucose level and the reason was that the enrollment to the study started in October and 60 days later it was Christmas time so that a little bit disturb our study but but it was significant and the other we could see that within three months uh 30% of the enal patients we reduce the insulin resistancy and I suppose if the study last for half a year even more people we could reduce the resistance just by bringing the D level to the optimal D concentration which was which was 10033 PPM and that was 147 before they started to consume the DW with 105 PPM so the question is how can we proceed with the direct registration and then when de the oncology society and and the all Society accept these data yeah how how is that going is is are you getting any interest from oncology circles uh we are we have interest from from investors so it took 30 years but now we see that more and more company coming to us and they they see okay we should check it out and and I do believe that we will be funded within a short period of time which means they can Finance the clinical trials and uh after that within two years we should get uh at least a temporary approval we we are going to do with the G blastoma just because the Medan survival time is short the life effect is very bad so if we can prove in that type of cancer we can prove with any kind of cancer the efficacy of DW yeah that's that's definitely a good model um yeah because it is so aggressive and and you know if there's anyone to help you know it's them you know because they they really don't have much to go on the best treatments we have are pretty dire and so you know anything we can do for them is a good thing um so you're saying that the optimal parts for million of of dyum in our bodies is about 120 to 125 is that right uh 100 for if you talk about metabolis I would say 125 140 100 135 okay if we talk about cancer the doseage completely different because the aim is to to reduce regularly the D level of the body and that way we can challenging all the cells and in that challenge the healthy scale cells can adapt and adjust everything to the lower indd level but we need to trigger the apoptosis of cancer cells uh and if we do it day by day months by months that way we can trigger them okay so what would what would people normally so in a KET with a ketogenic carnivore diet approach you what range of of dyum would you normally stay in would it be in that 125 135 range or where would you be uh yeah if somebody is on a ketogenic diet uh I I guess it should be about 130 PPM okay uh the D level just because the diet depending on how strict they follow the ketogenic diet can be different so for healthy people to to keep the D level in the best range we recommend to consume water with 125 PPM or 105 PPM and depending on so we can talk about healthy people we recommend that those who healthy and they would like to consume thew just to reduce the incidence of cancer the chance to get cancer we recommend a three four month three four month cure uh consuming 105 PPM or maybe T mon 85 PPM that way we can reduce the incidence of cancer and those who are suffering cancer they should consume it for a long period of time till we get a compl regression and even after that we recommend to repeat a cure four months just to prevent uh the relapse of of cancer okay and what would what would people's detarium levels be if they're just eating a standard carbohydrate and sugar filled diet like we do in the west so then then we run this clinical study with that 30 patients then we measure the deconcentration of the blood and that range was 147 150 so everybody was on the top and and nobody was following the ketogenic diet so those we recommend the 105 PPM that way they can uh reduce the the concentration with with 20 PPM or 14 15 PPM yeah and and with they with the 105 PPM uh uh duum depleted water was that able to get down to the 120 125 level or how low did they go uh so we we have a kinetic uh if and we are just going to publish a paper how we can modify and how can we follow the D level when we exhale the the paper and we precipitate so the the ktic the equilibrium will be about 125 130 PPM if somebody's consuming uh DW with 105 DPM and just because the food and other liquid uh will not be lower that will be the the equilibrium which is enough and which is good for for healthy people yeah and so you were saying in this in this group that it lowered uh blood sugar and and and insulin resistance and things like that do you do you know the mechanism of that is it just improving mitochondrial function or what what do you think was was behind that um better glucose tolerance so we have done a a loading test with atlet in and uh after we took a samples and loading test again and taking a sample so what we found after they consume 44 days the W with 105 PPM and uh we saw that the lactic acid appeared much later during the loading test and we can go back to the mitochondria the the glucose uptake was much better and and the TCS cycle work much more properly and that was the reason that the lectic acid appeared much later than uh than comparing to the day Zero when they just made the loading test but not consuming the W and when we check the red study in that red study uh we could check the protein of glut four the glut four protein is in the cytool and that responsible to pick up the glucose from the blood and when we tested the glut for concentration in the muscle membrane we found that uh in in diabetic rats so in the diabetic Rats the highest was the glut four concentration uh the red consuming 125 PPM and it means that the insulin signal system uh which stimulate the translocation of the glut for from the cytos so to the membrane was much more properly at the 125 PPM than in at a lower so the best was 125 PPM and the lowest was at 150 PPM and that should be the reason that uh in everybody if the D lever is lower the insulin signal system getting better and that that is the reason that uh 30% of the in the clinical trial we could reduce the insulin resistancy so the I'm pretty sure that we did not change the insulin concentration of the diabetic patients in the blood but the efficacy of the insulin system insulin signal system is getting better when the D level is at 125 130 PPM and this is what we need to avoid the diabetes and and all these complication which is going with the high blood sugar level yeah and is this one of the major major plagues in the world at the moment yeah sure yeah yeah so you know just just quickly um can you can you go over again um just how exactly like having dyum depleted water and and lowering your dyum levels specifically helps in in fighting cancer cells uh so may I offer the book which was published in English because so it's I collected the data over 30 years chatting talking with cancer patients and to figure out what should be the best for the cancer patients and it's it's it's not easy to share the all the knowledge within five minutes or 20 minutes but this is the reason I shared it in the book so so the key issue is to start with a deconcentration which could be 105 PPM but in the most serious cases at 85 PPM and we recommend to consume it for typically one to three months depending on the staging and depending on the cancer type but after a while will not be any changes in the deconcentration in the in the in the body but the cells are sensitive for the changing D level so if no any changing in the level then the cells which still survive the first couple of months adapting to that level and they start to grow again so this is the reason we recommend change with 25 20 PPM uh after a while and then keep it again for one two three months and then change it with a other 20 PPM so these 10585 65 45 and 25 PPM these are the products on the market which are available and and it is also important when to start when to stop the consumption uh for example somebody is diagnosed with breast cancer and uh and no operation because it's inoperable we recommend to start to consume DW and the tumor became operable each tumor is much easier operate if the patients had a couple of weeks to consume thew before the operation we always recommend to to combined with the with the radiotherapy as we talk about but for example if somebody breast cancer very good prognoses and they are recommended to chemotherapy I say that uh do the chemotherapy don't use the DW but when they stop the radiotherapy continue with uh the therapy with thew and that way we extend the therapy of the patients and then way we can reduce the relapse again uh we do not recommend to to receive the to consume DW for childhood uh leukemia just after they are treated hopefully the efficacy is pretty good with a leukemia and we suggest to continue therapy with DW when they finish the chemotherapy uh this is the same with the nonkin lymphoma when the chemotherapy alone is very effective we do not waste the potential of DW to combining with with the commercial therapy but when they got a good results because the therapy is good then we can extend the therapy and that way we can move forward so there are with the hormone therapy with prostate cancer we have hundreds of cancer p patients with prostate cancer so some one of them is there's a prostatectomy and they are very happy that they are tumor free but unfortunately they have a very very big chance that the PSA level will increase so we recommend after that consume DW make a six four months four six months cure has a break next year repeat it and that way we can prevent the relapse of the cancer so hopefully one day that will be part of the onco theapy yeah and then so at a molecular level is this how how again how is this um changing things so that that the cancer cells die off again is it's stopping the cell cycle is that right so it's stopping the the progression in cell cycle so that they they Halt and they can't go through mitosis is that right no no we we can cause apoptosis or necrosis because we can follow with MRI CD that the tumor size is getting smaller and smaller so shink Ag and uh and yeah when when somebody start to consume thew they feel it when the start when we can initiate the St tumor necrosis because fever uh driness sleepiness uh dark urine can be which is due to the uh big me necroing over the tumor so and there is a strong inflammatory reaction when the tumor start to necrotize the patients feel that even at the very beginning in the first two three months the uh cmri can show a bigger tumor and I always say don't worry this is not because the more cancer cells we have this is because the necro uh think tumor the immune system is going there and try to eliminate the necro TI uh part of the tumor so lung cancer patients definitely coughing out the tumor sometimes is coming out oh wow gross um yeah Mak yeah being swollen and inflamed um I suppose as well so and so this is this is something that you've Tri on many different cancers is is that right what do you mean have you have you trial this with multiple different cancers obvious youve done with with um GBM lung cancer prostate cancer breast canc so how many different different cancers have you tried this with and and it's down to be 50 60 50 60 yeah so so so the patients who has different type of cancer they are coming and sharing their data this is how we we have experience with with almost all kind of cancer yeah so how uh so how are you getting the word out to people I mean obviously this isn't you know an accepted treatment modality as of yet so um how are you recruiting patients for your trials and how are people hearing about um this treatment then coming to you for help so if he if you got investors and and the company will be funded it means we will hire a cro we put together all the documentation we will go and apply for ethical approval and we will choose the clinical sites and applying a protocol so we finalize a protocol and then those people who requirement they can so be with enrollment criteria exclusion criteria and if they fit with the enrollment criteria they can be part of the clinical trios and that will last I guess about 18 months and uh hopefully at the end we will evaluate the data and then we can go further and and get uh new the application at the AMA of the FDA so that is a normal way to to register cancer drug and this is we must follow that way no any other way yeah and then so how many how many people uh do you know of that have have treated their cancer with duum depleted water at this point if uh I think the numbers how much water we have sold I guess in Hungary uh about 30,000 patients has consumed thew yeah wow uh in wordwide should be about maybe 100,000 I don't know so we used up about 200 300 tons due to water a year and uh we have detailed data about almost 3,000 patients uh several patients didn't share the knowledge and the data so I I didn't know anything about them uh but we know that thousands of patients alive because they consumed DW and uh several 10,000 patients live longer than it was expected just because the DW was part of the therapy yeah wow so so you you you said you had clinical data on 3,000 patients is that right yeah so we we so there are prospective and retrospective so the patients uh the paper we published one was a prospective study with uh prostate cancer that was a dou bind uh uh randomized clinical trial but all the other is a retrospective study so everybody followed the commercial therapy plus consuming DW and if they share the knowledge and the data we can have evaluate and that way we can uh share the the the new data what we we can publish with these guys yeah yeah well that that's massive and you're getting you know it's one thing for people to be using this and and helping themselves in the community but people just say well that's just anecdotal and fine but you know having thousands of patients and having clinical data on that I mean that that's that's quite significant 3,000 patients is actually you know quite a large number at this point yeah so we our database reflect the distribution of the cancer T which is typical worldwide it means we have several hundred breast cancer lung cancer prostate cancer and colon rectum cancer because that's cover most of the over 60% of the cancer times and as the rare type of cancer we have uh less but for example maybe it's interesting for you the we published uh the SP ay G Goma this is a very rare disease and we had a 11 years old girl she was diagnosed more than 20 years ago and no any therapy possible to to treat uh that type of disease and she was consuming and then she finished the university and and she lives uh unfortunately she had some pulmonary embolism but but without any commercial therapy because there was any chance to treat her uh we could get uh long survival and even we could prove a a great regression of that type of very rare disease so yeah we had a couple of other rare disease which chronic lymphocytic leukemia it's a rare disease and we could prove that somebody who has a huge uh uh tumor on the neck and and uh lion was double after starting the W every thing goes to the right direction and no uh tumor on the neck and he didn't need to receive any uh chemotherapy for 15 years so we could balance it and keep it in in a normal range everything yeah wow wow um that's amazing the girl with the the you said it was a spinal cord asoma yeah that's all spinal Asic Luma we published yeah yeah well well I mean yeah I mean you can't you can't operate on that I mean can't can't yeah yeah you can't really you remove the spinal cord to to take that out it's not really something you can do so that that that's usually very bad bad outcome so being able to live uh well much longer than I mean you know decade or more longer than expected is is you know pretty amazing amazing hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want a nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnival bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys and and the regression was clear yeah yeah which is amazing and did it did it completely regrets did it go into remission or was it still just lingering on but just smaller she she was followed for for up to 10 years after that she didn't run back but she was fine she was fine yeah in the paper you you may can see that it was in the neck and and the MRI was made every every year or every half year and we could follow that so maybe there was a 5 cm reduction in the size of that yeah wow yeah and well that's amazing um so what what is the cost of the of the duum depleted water like how much would it would it cost for someone to you know like you say go on for two or three months to as a you know just a cleansing protocol um to get to to sort of try to weed out any little pre-cancerous cells yeah so if uh in in Hungary I I know these numbers roughly it's about would you Euros or uh so we are selling 1.5 liter uh bottles and one bottle in Hungary is is about uh seven eight Eur okay it means about €200 per month uh uh the cost and for Healy people we recommend three four months every year every second year it depending what what is the the aim to do that uh but for cancer patients we recomend 85 65 and the price unfortunately goes up because the lower DD have most difficult to to separate the the heavy water molecules and and it's requires huge amount of energy to to separate uh this H2O from the d2o uh but anyway it should goes up to uh 600 800 EUR per month the cost which which we can say can be very high those cannot afford that uh on the other hand can be very cheap if you're comparing with the with the cost of the drug which is available uh and registered and don't talk about the the efficacy between the conventional and the and the DW but we always say all the data what we have that because this is a combination of the commercial therapy and DW so I never believe that we have to replace the DW with or the commercial therapy with DW we have to use out all the possibilities all the therapies and all kind of U techniques which can help the people to keep them alive yeah well that's it isn't it you know with something like cancer you really have to just throw the kitchen sink at it and try to use every available method and so you know this is something just like Diet nutrition some something that we use as an adjunct to treatment so you know C certainly I I certainly don't recommend that people you know stop standard treatment I think there's absolutely a role for for that especially many cancers are are are quite treatable like you're saying you know different leukemias are are very treatable uh with standard standard treatments so this would be you know that would be not a great idea to sort of give those up but this can certainly be used as an adjunct to improve your outcomes and and why not you know I mean it's it's not going to it's not going to cause harm in so far as I know you know have having lower dyum water it seems to be a positive and um isn't isn't going to cause any harm anyway and and the best the best way we could reduce the Des caused by cancer if all the patients who are in remission they were treated and they are in remission they would consume DW for three four months every year that way we could prevent the relapse because the the bad news that after the therapy is finished they are waiting and waiting every year going back to the control worrying about whether it's came back or not couple of several cancer has a very big chance to to to come back but that way we could re prevent the relapse we we have data with 204 cancer patients and we lost 13 uh within one over 1,000 cumulative followup time and two of them died not because cancer and eight of them died because they were in remission they consumed the DW and then they forget the DW and then I heard that they died the average time was 4.1 years after they stopped consuming thew but those 156 patients who regularly come back they never relapsed and and that would be the way to and that would be most important that to integrate to the therapy the DW those who are operated tumor free don't forget to do something just to prevent cancer yeah and well that's amazing and um so that that what you would recommend then it 1.5 liters a day for three four months could you drink more than that as long as it was duum recomend to replace the the all the daily water intake so if they need more drink more don't drink any other liquids that period of time yeah okay so and what would what would does does I understand that that uh water in different areas has different amounts of dyum is that correct B based on on where you are is that correct uh the veterinary uh treatment we use 25 PPM we do not dosage so we replace the daily normal drinking water with the uh cancer drug for veterinary use they drink it and and 50% we can cure the dogs and cats oh yeah nice yeah but then so like normal tap water like normal normal drinking water how much dyum would be would be in that or does it change where you go what do you mean so so like just normal drinking water normal drinking water that you you'd have just in the tap um how much do is in that how many PPM yeah yeah it means it's 150 PPM 150 and depending on where you leave yeah in Australia you are close to the equator area so it's 150 in in Hungary it's about 148 if you go to Norway or Sweden it could be about 140 okay all right and does it does it matter if uh if is it groundwater or rainwater or anything like that does that change uh so for example in in Hungary it depends the movement of the clothes the clothes when first glows to the north and coming down then it has a lower deconcentration when it's springtime coming from south because uh the heavy water easily can uh fall out from the clouds uh but anyway so during that so this is the way of the separation uh and on the other hand a given region the water the drinking water D level is we could say it's stable not any real big fluctuation okay all right interesting all right i' I've sort of thought about you know giving the try if if someone were to try this just for their own just for their own health as just as a preventative sort of thing do you notice uh you know I assume that you sort of do your own Dome protocol as well do do you feel any different do you feel any any differences in your health when you when you go on like a thre month of 105 PPM duum depleted water yeah people feel better uh they are more active they sleep better uh I I I continuously drinking 105 not only 105 I I share with normal water and and 105 uh I about 12 25 PPM the D level now uh I feel good when I play basketball I had to stop it last year because my hip didn't like it too much running uh so I could run a lot and no any lack of no it was fine yeah yeah all right good well um gabri that was that was fantastic it's great to see all the all the new data that's coming out showing that this I mean you're tripling life expectancy of of GBM patients and and massively improving uh the the life expectancy of other cancer patients so I mean you're doing an amazing job and you're doing amazing work and and hopefully others see this and people who are suffering from cancer or have friends with cancer you know this is this is something to really look into um so I would I would encourage you all to to look into this to um to follow uh gaber's work uh online and read his papers read his book um see our original video and interview together um as well as interview with um colleague of yours um Dr Lazo boros who is also fellow Hungarian he was a professor of medicine at at UCLA is now back studying dyum teaching about dyum um full-time in Hungary as well so anyone who has cancer anyone who has has someone they know with cancer something to send send them on to and to look more more into um yeah so thank you very much yeah you're very welcome would would you be able to tell us how people can find you and how they can find more of your work uh websites books uh if they want to order duum water where they where can they do that as well uh the knowledge is shared in the book due to depletion it is available on the Amazon our product called preventa so people can order it on the www prevent. website and our company is is hd. uh Au the company website uh but more important I always say go to the PubMed search for dutin depleted water and checked not only my paper and our papers but all the other scientists who has published the the the results uh making research with DW and that makes clear that how far we have proceed and how hopefully close we are to solve the cancer problem yeah good all right well um I'll put uh links for that in the description and then hopefully people can can go and do do some research themselves go check out PubMed go take a look at some of those papers and uh and see what they think uh Dr somai so thank you so much for coming on it's a pleasure as always thank you thank you thank you so