Treating Stage 4 Colon Cancer With DIET | Jeff De Prosperis

last time I talked to Professor Seaford he gave me his suggestions if he had cancer the stuff he'd be doing he's got tons of studies that he's shared with me that there's a lot of evidence 14 to 21 days what happens to the size of those tumors people are like how are you not passing out after four or 5 days and I and I I'm not carb dependent I'm Ketone dependent so I always tell people if you want to fast I can teach you how to do it but you got to change your diet first you can't just jump into a fast being a carb dependent person welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you again for joining me with another episode of the plant-free MD podcast today I have very good um very good friend of mine that become uh better friends with recently Jeff de prosperous who has a fantastic story uh with his his journey going cornor Jeff thank you so much for joining thanks for having me Dr chaffy it's an absolute uh privilege and honor to be with you as always that was very kind um so for people haven't come across you can you tell us a bit about yourself and and your story sure thanks uh Dr chaffy um I kind of start introducing myself in a little different way for anybody that's heard me before so once again my name is Jeff the prosperous and I I live in Canada uh Ontario is the province and um I'm a husband uh I have a beautiful wife of uh 17 years been together 24 years I we have two sons together uh Peter and Dante they're 15 and 13 and um I'm really uh proud of them proud father um uh I've been a high school fed teacher for the past 21 years at the high school that I actually went to in my hometown um I have two University degrees I have a a degree in kinesiology and I Kinesiology and phed and then I have an education degree um I a former uh Varsity athlete I played soccer for two schools um I still consider myself an athlete I try to get in games as much as possible I've been coaching uh Sports for the last 21 years as a teacher fys teacher as well it kind of goes innately together and um just in the past 22 months I've changed my diet and I I started with uh about ke uh Kido probably for a couple months switching into ke Devore for another couple months and I've been pretty carnivore for the past about 18 months and I find I get uh stricter and stricter as we uh as I continue on my journey um from week to week it's always different um because I have an eating week and I kind of have a non-eating week so sometimes I get a little more strict with Lion diet and I'm really enjoying it and I guess the the main reason why I switched to a carnivore diet is because I was diagnosed with uh stage four colon cancer in April of 2022 so hopefully that's good intro yeah well it well it definitely is and um thank you for that and thank you for coming on and telling your story obviously it's it's a pretty nasty thing to go through and you know having the focus of conversations be about you know something nasty that you're going through isn't always easy so I appreciate you taking the time and and uh and help and you know telling your story and and hopefully helping other people thank thanks Dr shy and I just one more thing I when I first started my journey uh especially with the diet just months before that I started watching a lot of YouTube and you're one of the ones that I was watching along with other uh pretty popular doctors on YouTube um so the YouTube World helped me out a lot and so and so have you so uh I thank you before we get going oh well well yeah I'm glad that the videos helped you know that's that's why they're there so well so how how did you come across all this before obviously you know the traditional medicine you know most centers won't tell you to go on a ketogenic diet um so how did how did how did this play out you know when when you first um got diagnosed and you're talking with your oncologists about it um you obviously decided to go a bit sideways or did they did they tell you to go this way uh definitely uh my mainstream doctors like my oncologist and a couple of cancer surgeons that I was first talking to they definitely didn't um guide me towards the regimen that I'm on today today I had to kind of create it myself they basically told me at first I thought I was going to have surgery but then we realized um the cancer had metastasizes the liver and I was deemed inoperable and incurable so really chemo was the only uh thing that my face-to-face doctors were telling me I needed to do and I needed to start that right away so when I got diagnosed in April 2022 I didn't start chemo till about end of May 2022 so this spring I'll be approaching two years since I started chemo I've done 38 rounds of chemo but a couple CLE a couple rounds in uh probably about a month or a month and a half in um a good friend of mine uh his name is Dwight he's a a a fellow that I've coached High School sports with because I first started coaching his daughter about eight years ago and he's been coaching a lot of Youth Sports basketball volleyball soccer and we coached together I was kind of the athletic director at my high school and I was kind of hiring him as a volunteer and we we became really good coaching friends but when he knew I was off and he knew I was doing this cancer uh battle treatment he said hey Jeff I heard you're off work I hope everything's okay he sent me a text message because I kind of shut myself off to the world I wasn't really going out in public I was kind of just in shock of what I was going through and he said hey do you mind if I start sending you some videos and I didn't know what videos he was going to send me like I I thought maybe he was going to send me like some like you know movies to watch to help my mindset or or something right I'm like whatever sure and next thing you know the I think the first I well I actually know the first video he sent me uh was Dr Berg uh interviewing um this French fellow from France uh that had stage three4 calling cancer that he did uh a 21-day fast and he ate red meat every single day uh sorry ribey steaks every single day and I watched that video and I was like first of all I was in shock about two things first of all totally Blown Away how the human body can not eat for 21 days uh water fast only and then how he then decided for I don't know months just eat only ribey steaks I think he was green juicing at first but then he cut that out because he realized it wasn't isn't working so he just did riy fakes and I'm like hold on a second he has colon cancer I have colon cancer everything I'm reading about says red meat causes colon cancer and he's doing this so when I first watched that video I thought well this is nice that my friend Dwight sent this to me but I it was hard for me to believe just like when anybody gets sick and people suggest to do things I know it's hard for people to believe unless you're talking to your qualified professional doctor but anyways Dwight kept sending me videos you know he started sending me your videos he started send on the carnivore diet he started sending me Shawn Bakers Dr Shawn Baker uh Dr Kendy Barry um even uh Dr Paul saladino um started sending keep sending me these videos and they started to really catch my attention and I started to delve into the just learning about how cancer is a metabolic disease and you know I started diagnosing myself how I caused it it's it's it wasn't a fluke I think it was my lifestyle and then I and then I trained myself to think I cause this I can reverse it and uh so that's that's how I uh got into this journey in the YouTube world and carnivore diet and following all these great doctors including yourself yeah hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote 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family members and they've tried to send these things and and their family members are very resistant to it because they're like they've just short of just giving up and they're saying hey don't they from the sound of it they they they sort of don't want to hear something like that it maybe that it they're afraid of sort of false hope or something but yes they're just sort of like hey I'm gonna I'm G to just do what the doctor telling me and that's it which is fair enough you know I mean it's it really you you are going out on a limb you know trusting you know these other things but then when you start looking into it you start looking at the studies you start looking at the research you start looking at people like Professor SE freed you look at you know Fred everard Who had who had that experience with colon cancer as well then it starts saying okay well well maybe there is something there you and I believe Fred was it's funny because they yeah exactly they say red meat causes colon cancer it doesn't you know any any decent study shows that it has no association whatsoever and and that that vegetables and fiber are the best thing for you and yet Fred was a vegan for 12 years didn't touch meat didn't touch red meat in over a decade yes and then there you go he has you know Advanced colon cancer and then he went on just red meat I think he was doing Keo at first but yeah the fiber was just really hurting him and because he had a very very narrow structure and he was in so much pain with the fiber he just couldn't eat it and so he just ended up just doing red meat and and then you know he put that into remission had a recur relapse but then has now put it back into remission again so yes it's um yeah we're doing exactly the opposite of what they say no absolutely and I was able to relate to Fred quite a bit like you said um he I think he was a martial arts instructor or something he was very very fit and active all the time same thing with me like everyone always like you know Jeff the fizet teacher has cancer he's he you know he's been active he's been fit he's been teaching fed classes uh for 21 years it it was quite shocking not only to myself but I think everybody so with the Fred's story really really hit home and then uh I think there was another fellow by the name of G or guy that kind of did something similar and uh in terms especially during in terms of fasting um so yeah yeah yeah think guy ten and BM yes that's correct nice guy yeah um he didn't do full carnivore but very keto you know and yes yeah which is which I think is is a big part of this um you know just going back to something you said you said you thought that this was was your lifestyle that brought this about what what do you think your about your lifestyle that that brought this brought this about well first off uh no but if we want to talk about diet first of all um and I think you and I have something in common I'm not I think you're of the Italian Heritage uh is your last name chaffy Italian or chaffy well it it's it's old so you know my family the chaes came to America in like the 1500s so all my ancestors all the original New England colonists New England yeah it's just everybody everybody's here was from like the 1500s 1600s I've got pilgrims on both my mom and dad's side and um you know um things like that so England 500 years ago and yes things like that but then before that don't know I did one of those like 23 me DNA sort of test and it basically just had this this massive map of like where all my genes came from and it was just basically the old Roman Empire so I guess in that in that regard you could well you know what I I no I could tell I'm actually uh if people ask me what part of Italy my family's from um we're from an hour south to Rome so that's the type of Italians we are and and you look very similar like I feel like I'm related to you in terms of that sense and and you remind me of a Roman gladiator too so um anyways what I was trying to say is I I thought maybe you did have an Italian background but I I grew up um maybe way with yeah way back way back but but you didn't have a00 years at this point you know yeah yeah yeah you didn't like I had a stay-at home Italian immigrant mother uh that raised me and uh you know my father was a barber he came over from Italy and he was cutting hair and he did that his entire life my mother uh my entire she worked a little bit but my entire life since I was born born she was a stay-at-home mother and she was that type of Mother where I think I I I kind of relate to that that movie Super siiz me where he talks about his mother and his memories of his mother always being in the kitchen well that was that's my entire that's the truth too my mother uh the kitchen was her D domain like that's where she St that's where she was all the time and her kitchen was clean and there was fresh good Italian cooking uh when people say oh you must eat lots of Pizza and Pasta yeah we do eat a lot of pasta but my mom is also very uh was very modern day Italian Mediterranean uh fresh vegetables uh great meat very good at cooking meat um a well I guess in the in the Mediterranean World a well-balanced Mediterranean diet where after meals uh we wouldn't have sweets or ice cream or cakes we would have fruit and in the Italian household fruit would be the dessert so that would come out afterwards and we'd have espresso after every meal meal so I I was raised eating really really well I thought and and it was good if you're if you're metabolically healthy I think now the thing is when we grow up and we move out uh things change and I think that changed probably when I was like 18 or 19 and I first moved out and I went to University um and I you know you get that uh you get that food card from the University where you're tapping to get your food either from restaurants or CA cafeterias and then after I was living after I moved out of a dorm I was had roommates and you know when the kitchen is so disgusting because you're living with University guys that you have to go eat out all the time instead of cooking your own food um I was doing that and then you know you start your career I started my career as a teacher at the age of like 22 23 and it's fastpac and you're into your career and you're probably not I'm probably wasn't eating the greatest then you know I then fast forward a little bit a few years later I get married um my wife has a career uh she she works in the finance industry and and she's her her job is fast-paced my job is fastpac so we're probably not eating the greatest we're probably not cooking the most home-cooked meals then you're adding kids to that scenario and it and it gets even worse because as soon as I had two sons I'm like okay two and a half years old when they're both two and they're doing sports they're doing soccer they're doing hockey they're doing basketball we're going and I'm on the goal all the time every night every weekend and I still am um so you know we're eating Subway we're eating uh slices of horrible Pizza carb filled pizza and you know constantly doing that for about you know 15 to 18 years uh as a as a teacher a married person a family man that's the LI that's the lifestyle change in terms of diet I went from eating very clean my Italian mother home-cooked Mediterranean style meals very clean nothing out of packages we never ate out at restaurants there like we maybe went to Red Lobster once every 3 months for a treat to the lifestyle where I'm on the go and I'm tapping to get meals all the time and uh I think that affected me huge after you know in retrospect when I'm looking at my diet you know I think that was part of it that's not the that's not the 100% main reason but it it was probably a big reason and it was probably a big reason um for when even the primary tumor got going I fed it I fed it with uh with you know you said Prof Professor cafords taught me with especially with glucose okay so I you know I I continued to feed it because I the tumor was is probably been in me right now for about that primary tumor for about six to seven years they could tell by the size of it so that the diet was one thing uh Dr chaffy and then you know there was a little bit of uh me assessing my lifestyle in the months of January and February for the past 15 years when it's cold out and lack of vitamin D I think the lack of vitamin D um just the stress from a career uh on your cells the oxida stress uh and just life stress and um another thing you know I look back and I think I think about alcohol um I didn't really drink during the school year uh but I had two and a half months off every year for about you know like 18 19 years uh half of June July August into September where I'm hanging out at my house and uh doing yard work and drinking beers throughout the day barbecuing drinking beers having glasses of wine at dinner um having some Italian lures if company come over so you know you do that for like 16 17 18 years and I'm thinking and now all the studies that are you know the World Health Organization is putting out or or or health Canada or the US Health they're saying like to reduce cancer causing you need to have zero to two drinks a week is the new is the newest uh suggestion to reduce cancer so I I I'm putting all these things uh you know alcohol oxidative stress uh vitamin D deficiency uh and then mainly diet and you add all those things up and no wonder I have this metabolic disease I like to call it uh that I'm dealing with right now yeah well um yeah it it's it's funny um my my mom was like that she she loved cooking she had over 500 cookbooks you know just just estimating could have been more she read all of them she loved she's used all of them she's loved cooking so every every different sort of ethnic sort of uh cook everything she just loved it she loved you Italian Moroccan French everything everything she just just really enjoyed cooking so she was always cooking she was always doing stuff we always had fresh food we always had fresh meals and you know my dad you know obviously my upbringing was with that when I moved out I I tended to do the same and U you know thankfully you know about that time I went carnivore originally and so I was just cooking and just eating meat the whole time and then that just sort of became a habit I just always cooked and so that that worked for me but my dad always always always had home-cooked meals he never liked going to restaurants you know and he just thought it was just a a waste of time and money you know it's just like we got we got better food at home like why the hell are we doing this so yeah so we you know he always was eating home-cooked meals never had processed garbage ever and never drank never smoked and yet he got diagnosed with lung cancer and you know thank thankfully got it early and before it had a chance to you know hit the lymph nodes or anything like that so he didn't have to go through chemos just on followup now but he had you know the whole top of his of his right lung taken out and so you know which which is pretty crazy and um you know I was just sort of thinking with the alcohol certainly that's going to affect this but you know think about sort of the one to two drinks a week or or um you know the similar sort of recommendations you know what were people do drinking in the 1800s like a lot more than that you know more than one to two drinks a week most people you know a lot of people would drink even every day especially in like the working class you know that's what I was saying you know the working class has a has a drinking problem and then the other the flip of that was the drinking class has a working problem you know have to go work yes yes it's annoying so it's um you know and yet yet the cancer rates weren't weren't anywhere near you know what they are in the 20th century so I think that's just a test a testimony to how bad this other stuff that we've added to it is too in the 20s 80% of men smoked and yet the lung cancer rates were far lower than they are in the latter half of the 20th century and today and less people are smoking now and yet you we're having more of a problem with it so I think this all these things add together and compound and like you say just you know the the sort of junk food and the pizza and all these sorts of things just make a massive massive difference and um you know on top of everything else and then you add in alcohol and all that sort of stuff and it's just you know it just really really raises your your chances of being uh running into something pretty harmful um you know about that um I wanted to know how's it how's everything going now like you're saying that um you this is going on for a while you've gone through 30 plus rounds of chemo how are you doing how's everything going with Jeff uh I'm doing pretty good uh real good I think um and I think it it to be honest with you it keeps getting better each day um especially my my mind and my body uh the first year um when I went from like May uh 2022 to May 2023 12 full month straight without a break of chemo I had five scans and uh the tumors on the liver they were all shrinking um all five scans and that was quite my oncologist was pretty impressed with that um because he said normally on the first scan he says normally he sees the chemo working he again that's his world the chemo world so he think he believes the chemo is working and then normally the second third fourth fifth scan it goes stable where you don't get any growth and then near the end you start getting growth and you got to switch chemos and stuff like that so for five scan five scans in a row I got shrinkage and the same amount of shrinkage like you know my larger tumors on my liver were like one like every single time they were getting onethird of the size smaller so I was really happy um I actually asked for a break this past the past summer the summer of 2023 uh I had June July August half of September off I had a break chemo but I I kind of break a lot of things like I have quite the regimen so I I wasn't seeing my natural path as much I was going on family vacations uh my father got sick uh and we had to check him in the hospital and he ended up passing away the beginning of September so there was and there was a lot of things going on and when I went back to chemo in September I knew like I'm inevitably supposed to be on chemo for the rest of my life uh that's what the doctors say um when I went back to it you know you know I did it for 3 months had a scan two spots my liver got a little bit bigger um I took that a little bit hard for a moment but it's not a setback it's a side shuffle I just uh they switched me uh chemos to the second line which is probably can be as effective as a first line in a chemo World um so and then I just I just put my you know I kept my head up high now since since since then and I've been on this new chemo and my I'm my regimen is getting stronger and stronger especially with my diet um and all the other things I do um I keep adding more to my regimen just yesterday I was traveling an hour out of town uh for hyperbaric oxygen treatment um I've added that in I've added uh Wim Hoff breathing uh cold plunging um my regimen is a big long list uh that I've created along with myself at you know with the helps of my friend Dwight and and doctors that I've been watching I've kind of created my own uh regimen yeah nice and then so um the bar actic Chambers is is an interesting one and I was talking to my friend Dr Paul Mason he was actually saying that you can get SIM you get similar results with exercise you you're getting heart rate up and you're getting your your body temperature up and this and you start breathing hard in in picking up your your respiration rate and and that had similar similar effects as well are you are you exercising as well yeah exercise is part of my regimen yes that's a good point and it's a huge point to be honest with you I think diet fasting and exercise like I got about 12 item 12 to like 14 items on my regimen diet fasting and exercise are the three game changers okay they're the biggest the biggest things and you're totally right with exercise Dr chaffy my natural path doctor when I connected with him he's the one that told me that I need to move and he gave me a couple examples of former patients that have uh been put into remission that exercised a lot and um total opposite of what my colon liver specialist oncologist said they told me right off the bat take it easy don't push yourself don't lift heavy things uh go home and relax after chemo uh take your like total opposite and uh you know I think uh I also watched uh I think it's on Disney plus it's Chris Hemsworth the guy that plays Thor he does a series of like longevity things and he's got you got stuff on like cold and heat therapy but he's also got an episode on exercise and he really delves into the science of exercise and he actually mentions on how it actually helps fight diseases like like cancer like you said um and mimicking Hyperbaric it make that it makes sense uh bringing a lot of fresh oxygen to uh the cells because they can't survive off of that they survive off of fermentation of glucose and glutamine what I've learned and another thing and it makes sense because even the Wim Hoff breathing uh if you're doing it properly they actually say that really mimics Hyperbaric as as well yeah nice and so you mentioned fasting as well obviously Fred did that big 21 day fast and that had you know a big effect for him what's your what's your fasting regimen at the moment yes the 21-day fasting uh my friend Dwight I just want to say he he's been telling me for the past like 22 months Jeff if I had what you had I would have did 21 day fast right away he would have did that and and and I had a hard and again once again what's good for somebody else might not be good for you yet not yet but now I'm ready to do a 14-day to 21-day fast I'm ready for that uh my mind's ready for it my body's ready for it when I tell people they think I'm did you the first thing they say is did you check with your doctors about that is that safe are you allowed to do that with cancer and I'm like yeah I check with my doctors on YouTube I check I check I check with my uh with my professor sea who I'm on calls with quite a bit and I'm I'm in communication with all the time and he's the leading researcher in cancer around the world so but anyways getting back to your question sha you is when I first started uh I think it was after my second or third round of chemo when I started embedding a regimen um I learned that uh I had a friend in Branford that I met through my natural paath doctor she's been in remission uh she actually I'm just going to give her a huge shout out to be honest with you um you can get her this is her book it's called Racing for a miracle and that's her exercising and and she had exactly what I had but more like it was liver lungs lymph nodes it was everywhere and her part of her regimen her name is Ronnie Campbell um this is a great book for anybody that's going through cancer especially um her her fasting regimen around and she had chemo just like me every other week on Wednesdays uh she fasted three days Tuesday Wednesday Thursday okay so a day before chemo day after moo um and that helped with her symptoms now she learned that through probably just studying uh there's a doctor in Italy drct Walter Longo who I watch quite a bit too um he he speaks of uh of how that helps with symptoms but I've delved into it a little more um listening to Professor CD Dr Longo uh Jason fun about about fasting and how not only is going to help with symptoms if you extend it a little bit longer you know I've learned about autophagy mitophagy how your body goes into a self- cleansing state where the you know basically in layman terms you're your good cells are going around eating up your bad cells so I created a Fed day fast that I've done probably 38 times now every other week so when I say I have an eating week I have a non-eating week so today is uh right now this is Wednesday I'm with you uh this Sunday coming up will be my last meal because I have chemo next Wednesday uh I don't eat Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday five full days um Cho's on Wednesday so when I get to chemo I'm I'm in ketosis and I and I check my Ketone levels and my glucose levels and by the time I get to like the day after Cho I'm in a real therapeutic state of ketosis that do Professor SE taught me where I try to keep my glucose Ketone index as low as possible um I think between one and two is like a good therapeutic state for someone battling cancer so I I've done I do five days um I have done the most I've done is eight full days um leading up to scans I try to I try to go a little bit harder sometimes um but I I'm ready now to do because talk last time I talked to Professor Seaford you know he gave me his suggestions if he had cancer stuff the stuff he'd be doing and he said all the he's got tons of studies um that he's shared with me that there's a lot of evidence 14 to 21 days uh what happens to the size of those tumors um and so I'm ready to do it I think I I might do it I might try to have a another chemo break and maybe do it when I'm off chemo uh and try to keep my electrolytes High uh and even some of my supplements my vitamins and minerals that I take because I um sometimes doing a prolong fast you gota especially the electrolytes I've learned you got to make sure that your uh your your your your muscles uh are ready for it your body's ready for it and um make you know it helps being in it the state of ketosis which everyone talks about the keto diet I think sometimes the keto diet is like people it's like it's turned into a fat almost where like all these food manufacturers slap the word keto on it and people don't even know what keto really means right um the ketogenic diet you know being in the state of ketosis where your body is you know using nutritional ketones body fat ketones and then ketones produced by the liver when you really get into a fast and you need energy people are like how are you not passing out after four or five days and I and I I'm not carb dependent I'm I'm Ketone dependent so you're I I always tell people if you want a fast I can teach you how to do it but you got to change your diet first you can't just jump into a fast being a carb dependent person yeah certainly it's certainly easier you know you'll have a a much much easier transition how so how is your GK people don't know that's a glucose Ketone index that's something that Professor CED has shown that if you keep that ratio low of lower glucose to higher ketones that this gives better outcomes in uh in certain C cancer models so how how's that how's that going when you're you're eating and not eating do you do you test every day or or just sometimes that's a good question um in terms of monitoring uh myself for the past like 22 months Dwight my buddy Dwight got me buying the Libra 2 by Abbot uh the diabetes company the the the monitor on the back of your arm for glucose um and I've been monitoring that uh the whole time time but then when I met I think our our good friend Carrie man uh and you know being from the US uh there's a product called keto Mojo um that I can't get in Canada you can't get it anywhere you can't even buy it off Amazon so yeah it's crazy like I got I got friends now that have cancer and in in in Ontario and they're like where can I get this keto Mojo and they can't get it anywhere but if you got a relative in the states they you know uh Carrie shipped it over to me when he first met me right away um with a bunch of glucose strips and ketone strips so the keto Mojo is definitely uh probably a little more accurate than the sensor on the back of the arm especially when it comes to GL glucose and now I can measure my ketones which is awesome I think the the Abbot company is making a Libra 4 I heard um I think it's out in the UK right now uh where but does measure ketones as well um so I'm looking into stuff like that but the keto Mojo uh mostly I think created alongside with Professor C for to measure to measure your gki so since I had it since Carrie sent it to me now I find this is where I'm really up in my game in terms of challenging myself right um my son Peter my 15-year-old he's kind of like my uh my nurse I go Peter go get the keto Mojo let's check it out so he always helps me he's like Dad turn your phone on make sure the apps open uh you know we prick and then he he he gets the strips and he measures it for me while I'm holding my finger steady just like a nurse would do uh for someone so um when I'm eating uh I do check it probably every few days I I just know if I'm lion diet I can get the glucose pretty low uh and and maybe my ketones up a little bit I find I don't really get into the therapeutic state of ketosis uh the numbers that sefr suggests below 2.0 that's the ratio of the G the glucose to Ketone index where my glucose is pretty low and my ketones are pretty high um unless I'm fasting so that's the best time um I'm still in a decent I'm still in a decent state of low glucose and um a little bit of Ketone production when I'm eating a carnivore diet it's just harder to get to that therapeutic they call Dr SE uh calls it a therapeutic state of ketosis it's very difficult unless I'm fasting now there I guess there's there's meds um that can help with that uh that Professor cord speaks of all the time um off-market drugs uh stuff like that so I'm starting to you know take suggestions I think I was on a call with you once I've listened to you with some suggestions uh Dr Tony Hampton uh Professor C and I'm trying to piece those things together like I a natural supplement for for example is berberine introduced B I've added berberine okay to lower the glucose um the the glutamine thing uh trying to suppress that uh I'm learning right now so I'm constantly learning and I think um that's what's keeping me motivated to keep going every single day um the more I learn the more I I I want it's it's kind of like a game I'm challenging myself every day yeah nice yeah the so how have you noticed the the berberine has that has that helped lower the glucose in your in your ah a little a little bit a little bit yeah a little a little bit not as much as I want uh to be honest with you and I think sometimes with those natural substances like I even I asked Professor CA uh there's another supplement uh egcg is the acronym it's the chemical in Brock not broccoli sorry green tea green tea it's a it's the chemical and green tea and matcha egcg that uh is supposed to be a answer fighting and the reason why it's cancer fighting because I think it's a glutamine blocker um so I asked Professor cord I'm like if I I've been taking egcg is that he's like oh you're you're not he he right away he says you're not gonna be able to take enough egcg like and and even Dwight to Dwight told me a while ago you need to drink 10 to 15 green teas or machas a day and I'm like I sometimes the green tea makes me a bit nauseous so I'm like I can't do that a day like um but I still do take egcg is part it's it's a pale part of my supplement regimen that I take every day um glutamines I think I'm mastering glucose suppressing I just I got to find a way to master the glutamine uh suppressing uh because those are the two fuels that professor professor Seaford makes cancer seem this is where I love listening to him because he he he calms my mind he's like it he he says it he comes out and says it it's that it's that easy there's two two things that grow cancer glucose and glutamine it's that simple we block those cancer can't survive and he also talks about he talks about ketones and he says the ketogenic he doesn't Professor cord doesn't mention carnivore but I know he's a fan of it because he talks about the the keto he talks about the ketogenic diet and he says if you know cancer can't survive off of Ketone bodies as an energy source cannot right and and he's very adamant about that so I love listening to Professor C and I know you've done a lot of calls with him too you I learn a lot from him he he's great I I think you know that when I interviewed him I was I was I was really excited for that I'd seen I'd read a lot of his work I'd seen a lot of his videos and I was just fascinated by the work that he was doing and and and you're right because he he is so confident about this because the man is just a pillar in that field he he knows what he's talking about and he can speak with it with such confidence and authority and knowledge you know it's just like this depth of knowledge so any question you have for him it's just like bam you know he's he's got the answer he's got the facts he's got the studies it's it's absolutely uh amazing and it's like yeah you know and when when your should to talk to other doctors like well we don't really know you get these genetic problems all different like NOP that's not what it is this is what it is this is this how you fix it and it's just like right and he said in our interview like when you when you understand cancer biology this becomes much more simple you know it's much more simple to treat when you understand the biology and the biomechanics of cancer and I agree you know and he's proven this in in animal studies and more and more and more human studies and trials now it is a shame you know you're talking about the glutamine people don't know yeah cancer runs on glucose and glutamine needs a lot of them because the mitochondria destroyed so something called the warberg effect named after Nobel Prize when Auto warw work where he showed that cancer is a metabolic mitochondrial disease you if you have healthy mitochondria you cannot get uh cancer SE breed showed this as well by transplanting healthy mitochondria into cancer cells and it suppresses the cancer and you take the G the the the nuclei from cancer cells with all the genetic changes you put those into normal cells with normal mitochondria they don't behave as cancer you can clone them you get frogs and mice and things like that out of them then you take take the mitochondria out you put those into a normal cell with normal or with normal DNA and they die or they behave as cancer and you and they and they they just cause all these problems so you know he's shown that he's he's Justified Dr warberg work but we still call it the warberg effect that these cancer cells need 400 times the amount of glucose to operate because it's Le they're less efficient at it and they have a much higher metabolic rate so very simple you cut off energy Supply and that's going to slow at least slow the growth at least but because they have such a high metabolic demand what ends up happening is is that they they die because they they can't function properly they're not getting enough energy and if you cut off the glutamine as well then you're they're only helping that as well colon cancer different cancers need different type amounts of glucose and glutamine and and um the good thing about colon cancer is that it's it's very glycolitic it requires more glucose than than glutamine to my understanding yes yes BM it's the opposite you know so it's like they need they need more gluc glutamine than glucose but you attack them both you know and no absolutely yeah and I'm I'm learn I just learned something there by listening to you Dr shaffy because I'm just it's piecing it together because the last time I was with Seaford he spoke about the metastasized livers the sorry the metastasized colon uh cancers that are in my liver they depend on glutamine so my primary is on glucose and they're that I I picked that up somewhere and it kind of it's kind of it's kind of making sense because yeah I know by the size of my stools that my my my primary tumor is getting smaller and and in my head I know I need to master this glutamine suppression so I'm it it's amazing how you know listening to you I'm like oh my goodness this sounds so easy like can't they just extract the bad mitochondria and put new mitochondria in those cells like I'm I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to I'm trying to really understand thing and the more and more I and I know it's not that simple but um I think I can you know when I know when I had shrinkage five times in a row I know I can do it so I can keep I can keep doing it uh and I'm just trying to stay positive and uh you know listen listening I was on with you uh I know it was it was the same day as you but last night I was on with you and that Dr Eid that Dr Eid she you know I'm just trying to now she's a new doctor I'm adding to my to my list of doctors that you know I'm trying to pick apart some things that my mind is going to help my body too yeah oh definitely and yeah the glooming inside of things is important I didn't know that about about metastasis in the liver being more dependent on glutamine that's really very important to know um even even if you don't we make glutamine we make glucose we get glucose and glutamine in a lot of the things that we eat uh we can cut out the glucose hard to cut out the glutamine because it's just in everything it's in plant proteins it's in animal proteins we make it it's difficult to cut this stuff out unless you fast you know and I that and the gki lowering abilities of fasting I think are are really really strong uh things to recommend fasting in cancer as long as you refeed and you get and and you're not losing too much weight because obviously you your body needs to run and needs to operate and it needs to fight off the cancers as well um interestingly enough when you lose weight actually a good thing when you lose abdominal visceral fat the inside around the organ fat that this actually improves cancer outcomes as well this was shown at a Trinity College in Dublin uh last year the year I think it was just last year um well actually played rugby for Trinity and that was what made interesting going to you know overseas for for medical school because I I I knew people that uh coach over there my one of my favorite coaches was the coach there and I wanted to play for him and and I knew people over there playing and so aome uh they actually figured out that uh your your visceral fat sequesters and binds and pulls in natural killer te- cells which are your first line cellular defense against cancers and they they suck up these precancerous cells they also attack cancerous cells and so when you have more visceral fat around the organs then you have less nkt cells and we've known this for a while we just didn't know why but they discovered a receptor they actually bind onto the nkt cells and pull them in they don't let them go and so you have to physically lose that visceral fat to start releasing out these nkt cells and that's why people that have more visceral fat or or generally just you know obesity that's how how it's Quantified um they have higher cancer rates and worse outcomes so they have have lower low higher mortality rates really and worse fiveyear survival rates um and then it goes goes down you know so obviously you know skinny people do get cancer and they do get very sick and can die from cancer but this is something that can help and you know fasting carnivore diets you know you look at Dr sha omara that's it's so funny how all these all these different doctors and all these different people come to a carnivore dieet for very different reasons right so yes I came to it because I just learned how toxic plants were like well not eating that crap and then Dr Eid had done it because it made such a massive difference to her mental health and her patient's mental health and as a as a Harvard psychiatrist that you know she she was able to figure that out and start doing studies and showing that this really worked then you know Dr omara you know he he studied visceral fat and how bad this was for you well what's the best way to get that out carnivore diet sprinting weightlifting so you know we all come to from from different angles which is really interesting we're all coming to the same conclusion this is the best way to eat and uh and it's the healthiest for us um um yeah what was I gonna say oh about I was just wanted to expand when you when you said uh you you you came to the C uh the carnivore diet because you you realized plants are trying to kill you and and my my son Dante loves when you say that uh he repeats it all the time PL when and my wife a keto so when she tries to make she asks Dante hey do you want a broccoli she's like Mom plants are trying to kill you he say it right away you trying to yeah exactly and I think you you've said in your stories on and not like you were in a cancer biology class yeah and was that right and that Professor is the one that said it yep that's it yeah yeah I I I really want to find this guy I've tried looking through online to see like you know um where this class I I I can't even find the damn class you know I'm I'm I'm not entirely sure which term it was you know so that's probably I just need to go through just term by term by term and just see but you remember his you remember his name and everything that Professor I don't don't yeah I don't I that's um well he's gota like he's gotta watch one of your videos and he's he's got to contact you sometime because uh that's what I'm sort of hoping that yeah there were 30 other people in that class too and I'm not I'm I'm you know not convinced that that's the only time he ever said that you know for sure so University of Washington early 2000s cancer biology plants are trying to kill you anyone remembers that or heard a story about that or has a crazy uncle who's just spouting off this nonsense put him in touch with me contact you exactly exactly no exactly that's awesome yeah that was it you know so yeah he he was at cancer biology professor and he said don't eat plants it's just not good for you Dr gundry you wrote the the plant Paradox book and he says too plants don't want you to eat them they protect themselves this is this is the normal defense mechanism and then he says this is a paradox because of course we have to eat plants of course we don't have to eat plants yeah that's where I yeah I I I I I used to watch Dr Steph gundry but I stopped watching him because I don't like his Paradox theories I I think you I think you take you I think you take you know parts that that that work like you like you know Dr he's certainly not car but I love his work on FR fructose and that's something that is is a great addition to yes and you know Dr gundry well that's the thing paradoxes don't exist that's why they're called par oh it's a paradox two things that can't exist but they do but they don't because they can't yes right that's that's the whole point you know what you bring up Dr sorry you bring up do sorry to interrupt there you bring up Dr lustig I don't want Dr lustig I don't want to forget because I had a bunch of things I wanted to like get through with you today and and you know I we've been talking about my cancer and professor caid and you know the you know the metabolic disease and and I'm like I want to I want to delve into like longevity a little bit with Dr chaffy and you know maybe maybe the next time you and I get together maybe I'm G to be more cancer-free and uh and and we can we can get into like longevity but just yesterday I had a great day with my son uh we were traveling to hyper baric chamber and every time we travel we listen to podcast now like my son wants to he's like hey Dad who you want to listen to today and I go bring up that uh bring up that Dr Robert lustic because there was and it's and I was wa it's about an hour and a half long and he's with Andrew Andrew huberman and do you know who Professor hu Andrew is uh from yeah yeah and they're and they're great they're both really intelligent human beings and and they're just back and forth and I guess Andrew uh hman he likes his berries and he's talking about like he's talking and then and then explaining the fructose situation there and what's going on in your liver and stuff like that so I I really like l i really like listening to lustig Andrew huberman um I started listening to Peter AA a little bit um but once again you know I'm in love with the carnivore diet and I don't think Peter AA is so I I you know I'm just no no so so I I I I have to pick and choose the people that I'm really following um in terms sorry I'm going to ask you a question now in terms of long in terms of longevity Dr chaffy uh is is there certain gurus that you like to look to and follow uh that help help guide your life in terms of I know you you you talk about it all the time humans can live to 100 or 120 years old like what motivates you in terms of longevity and and who who are your mentors that you look up to so I mean the thing is is I work with with a guy who's been in in this field of longevity for 40 years you know and that and he runs a functional medicine practice that I that I work at he's since retired from seeing patients but he's uh he's still the medical director and so I've learn a lot from him and he's all all for I mean he's he's been he's been talking about the research on you know met foreman and and all these sorts of things long before uh I ever heard about um you know David Sinclair and before he became a you know a big you sort of you know well-known figure you know so I learned this stuff from them but the the thing is is that you know when I when I talk to my patients and they start getting interested in these things well about this I was like well you can look there's there's there are these studies a lot of them are in animal models obviously we don't have you know massive human trials and things like that you really can't you know you have to do these things very very very long term through the course of someone's entire life and you can't control for things and and for everything but you know mechanistically you know this stuff makes sense um but I figure that okay well rap and animal models yes it you know does has been shown to extend life great but you know is that is that because there's something unique and individual about rapamycin lowd do rapamycin or metformin or aspirin that all else being equal they will just improve your life and they will just fix something that's wrong and improve something that's not as good good as it could be I don't know because the thing is that a lot of these a lot of what these things do is undo a bit of the harm that we are just causing ourselves and so if it if you're sort of doing a standard diet yeah St probably help certainly met foron you know there's a lot of there's a lot of studies on that you know it's lowering your blood sugar it's lowering your insulin one of the one of the major biomarkers for longevity is is low fasting insulin and so that's going to help you achieve that you know what's going to help you achieve that more don't eat carbs you know if you just eat a carnivore diet you're going to always have low blood sugar you're always going to have low insulin it's just going to be optimized in that standpoint obviously maybe not therapeutic for cancer but but for just for normal life you're just going to have low blood sugar low insulin and you're going to have low glycation rate low ages Advanced glycation and products and you're going to live longer you know so I think of this you know the Can these things give you a couple extra years in that context of eating some crappy diet and doing bad things to yourself and this sort of mitigates that sure you know but we're already you you're already going to regain decades just by eating a biologically appropriate diet because we're genetically designed to live 120 years and we're dying in our 70s so you know if you start this early enough you should be able to live healthily 120 years 130 years right without doing anything special without taking the metformin and the rapamycin and the aspirins and things like that you know and heart disease is a major killer aspirin helps with that it's a clotting disorder you get damage to your artery walls you get a clot you get scarring and clot and scarring clot and scarring aspirin helps mitigate that so you know can you can you survive longer if you take aspirin in that context where you're damaging yourself and building up atherosclerosis sure but if you're not doing that in the first place is it helping you well it's not going to help you if you fall off the ladder you know and when I when I see people you know in the hospital and they' they've had an accident and they cracked their head but they're on aspirin and you know a Noak one of these novel uh um anti um anti-coagulants I mean it's a death sentence you know they have a crack to the Head they it would be um it would be you know sort of a bad injury but it wouldn't be a catastrophe but because they're on these blood thinners their head's full of blood their pupils blown and we can't operate because they're on you know aspirin and and this this irreversible blood thinner you know so it's just like well maybe that's not such a great idea so you know I'm a bit agnostic to it I don't take any of that stuff um you don't you don't take you don't you don't take Metformin no no you don't need to I know even like uh I did a call with yeah I did a call with Dr Hampton and he had like if stage four cancer patients suggestions and and that was on the list I I I asked my friend Dwight who's pretty naal too he doesn't think I need it and that's why I think I started taking berberine because it's more of the natural version of Matt Foreman but like I don't know I do you think Matt Foreman would be beneficial for me with cancer you know if I were if I it would if you know from the C3 point of you if this is something I had I would certainly consider it and I would try it and I would see what that did to my my glucose my gki because that's the important thing is the gki and if the Met helps that then that's great um yes berberine you know we call it like a more natural thing but you know as we know these natural things are often toxic and deadly right so you know they come from plant they come from plant they come from plants that's it right so you know and as are you getting berberine is that I haven't looked too close I don't even know if that's a chemical if that's just like an herbal supplement that has something in it that could do this it's supplement it's got 5,000 other things in it that may or may not be good for you probably aren't then you're getting you're getting the bad with the good and whereas metformin you know the exact dose you know exactly what you're getting there's nothing else with it it's just the metformin and so you know I I I would prefer that if it were me and uh as an aid to get to get my gki down um I would look at other options too I would definitely look at at the glutamine options you know it's not it's not necessarily secret you know this is something that um you know I was fortunate enough to to work a bit on with Professor sea freed is is a protocol for GBM and other the cancers of uh you know how to how to sort of do ketogenic metabolic therapy and get a protocol together for patients and doctors to sort of follow and part of that is the glutamine disruption side of things and so in that paper CPR goes through and you know C and his team went through I i' had very minor role in this you know I'm going to be like a you know 27th auor on this thing you know but it's um you know but as a result I got a chance to sort of you know look through it you know with them and sort of give my two cents and um you know they spoke about how um you know you could use different sort like like Dawn you know which is the the it's it's a chemo agent I think they were using it in like leukemia I I just don't think less less toxic right that's basically seaford's thing it's Le way less toxic than chemo the dawn well it is oh God yeah yes but but it used to be used for leukemia I think it did and obviously probably that's why you know it attacks glutamine and disrupts glamy um but it has been licensed for cancers is the point and so you know it's it's annoying that we we can't get this you know used in human trials um for PE for for other cancers as well um but there are other things as well and it's in the paper it talks about it things like Fen bendol mebendazol which are these antiparasitics and they have a similar sort of action to to disrupt glutamine these are obviously off label metform is going to be off label but people take metform and off label just for longevity purposes you know and that's just that just means your insurance isn't going to cover it and uh just have to pay for it yourself but that that's okay um and so you know those sorts of things I I would do that you know that is what I would do and I would I would go to that paper that that's going to be published from from Professor C freed and other papers that he's studied on the subject as well go through that and do that that protocol that press pulse protocol it's constant pressure of low gki through combination of fasting and a carnivore diet and then every now and then just hit it hard with the gki or with the um with the glutamine dis probably while I was fasting you know to really just nail this sucker and um you know and that that's how I would approach it you know if I had if I these things well thanks a lot and I'm trying TR to take what you're just saying and Professor CA and all his studies and his papers I've been reading quite a bit of them um and I am trying to embed that and I think that's where I'm at right now um to up my game so and I'm pretty Mo I'm pretty pumped I'm pretty motivated uh because it sounds like uh there's some great results happening yeah that's all I have to say that's all I have to say I guess for that one yeah well you know the main thing is is you know working with your doctors working with your team um obviously you know this isn't medical advice on anyone to how how to treat their cancer I'm just saying what I would do but I would also put this in the context of what I was what I was doing depending on the cancer if it was something that was amable to chemo and radiation I would entertain that if it was something like a GBM probably wouldn't just because they don't they don't add too much to the equation and they no come with their their burden as well and so you know but if it was something that was was with something that that did have a higher success rate with chemo and radiation I would do that but I'd be in ketosis the whole time because Studies have shown that being in ketosis when you go through Chone radiation sensitizes the cancer cells to the chemone radiation so the can more cancer cells die and also protects your your uh your healthy cells your normal cells against the chemo and radiation so I would definitely do that exactly as you're doing and then you know work with my doctor because the thing is you you you don't want to take random medications you still need to work with your doctors you talk to your doctor is you know have them you know prescribe off label if they're comfortable doing that for the metformin and any of the the other sort of you know glutamine disruptors if they're able to but you need to work with your doctor because especially if you're taking chemo this can interact and you can have you can have interactions and interference with that which can be very dangerous and so it's not something that that people should just do on their own like you still need no absolutely yeah and I and I you know what i' I've been because I ventured into the YouTube world and I now have a lot of cancer friends and everybody's different and everybody's at different levels not everybody's at the level I'm at in terms of attacking things but there's this one fellow like every time he reads something or sees a video he's like Jeff we got to get this Jeff we got to get that Jeff next to me know he's ordered it and he's already taken it before I've even like read his paragraph it's like I'm like and and I get it some people are really desperate but I try to do um all my legitimate research and talking to people lot I was on with Professor C for two weeks ago just him me and Carrie and when it came to F bendz all I was i' I've been really getting intrigued by and I said to him I said is this something I should do on my off chemo week is this something I I can do with Chemo when I said there is can I do it with chemo right away he goes why not absolutely could so when I heard him say that um I think but I think think um I don't think it's going to affect the chemo from from what what he said but like you said I think everything works better when I'm off the heavy toxins or I'm in the therapeutic state of ketosis like even I was just reading studies about Hyperbaric uh treatment and and and Dr Seaford actually talks about this too because he's done studies on Hyperbaric oxy treatment too when you go into those Chambers in a heavy state of ketosis it works like four times as well as opposed to like just go like so and that's where like even even the there's so the the center I go to for Hyperbaric it's actually really good it's close to Toronto Canada and it's probably one of the better ones I did my research before I signed up for a a treatment there's like three doctors in there and they check my glucose all the time cuz I guess there's a correlation between sometimes people that get uh very low glue glucose and are in there they could cause seizures so they're very precautious about that but on the flip side of things Professor sea has done studies and have watched people how in a therapeutic state of ketosis which means your glucose is pretty low um for cancer patients the the the oxygen around the cells work a lot it it works four times better like so so it's you know I I'm constantly like I I'm I make sure all my doctors my face-to-face doctors my oncologists my this I always explain to them what I'm doing why I'm doing it um sometimes they need to know the the research like even the receptionist yesterday he said I want you to talk to the doctor before you go into Hyperbaric and I because he knew I was I was I wasn't fasting yesterday but next Tuesday like I'm going to be going to hyper barck Tuesday and Thursdays on my non chemo week so I'm eating and then on my chemo week which is next week I'm just going to go one day before chemo on Tuesday and I'll be into a two-day fast already so I'm trying to warn these doctors like my glucose is going to be low don't be afraid to put me in there uh because you know I I I know I can handle it and I know I can attack those cancers better when I'm in a in that therapeutic state of ketosis so you have to like you said I love uh I'm learning so much today from you uh Dr chaffy and I I I'm you know I I I feel like every time I talk to you or C or Baker or anybody I'm like I'm in a I'm in a science classroom that you know I wish I wish I you know I wish I would have PID attention a little more when I was in school sometimes because I'm learning more now and and I'm writing notes um big time you know the thing is well you have two degrees man it's not like you know you didn't you didn't study you know but the thing is you're interested in what you're interested when you're interested you know and if and if we came at you with the same stuff when you were 18 you probably would like oh my God I don't care no you know and it's just like but but it's real for you now it's interesting it is it is real for me and when I first started teaching High School fed I actually half of my sections were fed and the other I actually for about five years I taught grade nine science which was like cell division in the Ontario curriculum so like mitosis out of control is cancer and I remember teaching it but I was like I was in my early 20s and I'm like I don't know this mitosis cell division thing I'm like yeah you know I really didn't understand it as well as I do now and the oncology section in the grade nine science textbook uh my son Peter he's taking it right now he's in grade 10 science and there he's like he took a photo of it like a couple weeks ago and goes Dad look what we're learning and and it's all about genetic mutation theory of cancer and he's like Dad this is all wrong my my son my son Peter is sending me this in the middle of the day day taking a photo of stuff in in class and I'm I'm not saying it's it's it's wrong like there there's obviously Seer explains there's two different uh theories of of what cancer is and I think there's a minute a very minimal types of cancer that are maybe genetic mutations but the majority of them um are caused metabolic metabolically and and we're not even a lot of the textbooks aren't 100% correct in how they explain things all the time I find yeah well that's why textbooks that changed you know they get they get additions and and we build on these things you know there's certain theories that are the more popular theories the ones they know about there's a great book called The Big Bang never happened and it goes through the physics and the math and the science about how that couldn't have happened and um you know it just does it doesn't you know these physical laws are just getting the way the universe is much older than that it's hundreds of billions of years old at least to form all these galaxies and clusters of galaxies and super clusters of galaxies and giant Alpha helixes of super clusters of galaxies there's there's no way that that formed in 13 billion years in the way that they said it did and it's like well interesting no one has heard that unless you have a dad who's a physicist and like read the book and GI like you need to read this you know so exactly you just you just don't hear these things and but even in medical school it's just like yeah you get these series of genetic changes they just build up and build up and then all of a sudden cancer you know but it's so so easy to disprove that you know it's like you take the nuclei from cancer cells with all the genetic changes you put those into a healthy cell or or or otherwise healthy cell with healthy mondra doesn't behave as cancer it's that simple so it's not the genes it's you know the the genes are very important but they aren't they they don't run the ship that's not that's not the actual brain you know those a blueprints that's that's the code that's the memory right yes the mitochondria are are the the the actual workers they're the brain they're the ones moving they're the ones using that so they're The Architects and the workers and the builders that use the blueprints to then go do something with it so you know the blueprints don't build the building you know yeah absolutely the workers and and The Architects the workers to yeah that's right and so you know and then you take those healthy mitochondria you put them in a cancer cell stops the cancer so you know there are so there there are genetic predispositions a lot of these things will will actually damage the mitochondria so a lot of these genetic predispositions that that set people up for cancer actually do damage the mitochondria they can do other things as well but one of the things they do is damage the mitochondria a lot of these plant toxins that that are known to be carcinogenic damage the mitochondria you know radiation damages mitochondria all these different things damage the mitochondria and when you're not in ketosis you can't go through mitophagy you can't roll these things over you can't recycle them you can't break them down you know yes you do get autophagy from fasting you also get autophagy from not eating carbohydrates if you just have low insulin you're going to be going through autophagy you are going to be going through mitophagy and this is why it's been shown that after a few months on a ketogenic diet you have four times the number of mitochondria and they're four times as effective because they've replaced out the older damaged broken down slower moving mitochondria and replace them with newer faster better ones and you kind you do that you keep doing that and you keep your heal your mitochondrial healthy it's it's you going to be in much much better position to not get cancer and have to deal with this stuff in first place I wish I wish there was some device that I could prick and it tells me if I'm in the state of mitophagy like I like if you're if you're in ketosis you will be you know okay but sounds deep ketosis I mean you don't have to have like you know massively elevated ketones or anything like that if you just carbs and your insulin is low you will you will be going through mitophagy you will be tring your your uh your uh mitochondria you know in the cancer cells they're probably just too damaged and too destroyed to even go through that you know there's a sort of point of no return that that se fre talks about you know they get damage damage damage and after this this point it's just that's it they're they're not they can't turn they can't write the ship for those cells but you write for all the you know you write it write the for all the other cells and then you know you cut off the food supply and the energy those starve them those ones die off yeah exactly so that's what and that's what that and that's where I think a lot of people when people say starve the cancer cells it's not there's more to it than just not eating like there's you got to make sure you're monitoring all those different levels like you say speaking of levels that's another thing I think Dwight tells me you got to get a like there we can't buy these this levels where it analyzes at the cellular level I need to get one of those devices the levels they call it right level Ben bman levels Ben B yeah the company levels I think Ben bman was huge on bringing that in um it was I don't I don't know Ben bigman's involvement with it but um as Dr Casey means um she's Stanford trained head neck surgeon um but then she sort of left that and went into functional medicine and uh and metabolic medicine and founded the company levels her brother interestingly enough is the The Whistleblower for the the Food and Drug companies telling people how the food companies you know processed food companies Coca-Cola and Pepsi and Kelloggs and all these you know the usual suspects that they that they are knowingly putting this stuff out there and they know that it causes disease they know that it causes metabolic disfunction they know that it causes harm they know that this is making us sick and they and he says he knows that they know this because he's been in the boardroom meetings with them when they spoke about it you know wow who's who's Casey means is she a professor or a doctor no she so she's a doctor she's an MD um yeah from Stanford I know she did her um residency at Stanford um I think she went to Stanford medical school as well and so very bright lady I had I've had her on my podcast very nice okay and so she founded the company levels that does like the sort of stuff I gotta start maybe connecting with her and learning some more things from her maybe yeah be awes it I I learned a lot from that I mean you know some of it was more applicable to you know people that eat carbohydrates and how to sort of mitigate that it was very you know one thing quickly was not that I eat carbs or salad or anything like that but she said just the simply the order in how you eat your meal difference yes like time start with the fat right yeah the meat and fat yeah protein and fat so if you had if you had the steak salad and a potato if you ate the steak first then had the salad then you know took a bit of a break and then you had the potato that your blood sugar would not Spike as high and your insulin would not Spike as high as if you had the potato first and if you went and just went on a walk for 20 minutes after your meal that also will will keep your blood sugar down and bang out bang out some push-ups get the glycogen get the glycogen out of your muscles right away yeah well just get get get the yeah get the get the body moving get the blood moving and get that that Sugar out of the bloodstream and into your muscles because that's that's yeah yeah what that's G to do yeah gotcha yeah oh that's awesome I'm learning so much I know I'm I wish I I had more time with I I had a you know and I think maybe we can do may maybe we can if you don't mind in like in a few months or so we could connect again I yeah yeah I think I just had a lot of topics like I you know we got into longevity um I would love to talk about like carnivore and youth a little more I know we did a thing on Carnivore and kids especially with my two sons uh because they're both thriving yeah Peter the 15 the Peter's more carnivore Dante's Dante is carnivore too but a little more ketovore and and then even talking about athletes because you know that's where something I really relate to you and I admire you Dr shaffy you being a professional rugby player I want to talk more about stuff like that too and how to per and how diet affects performance and stuff like that because I wanted to tell you too uh I played I really enjoyed I I played rugby in high school too I played rugby in grade 11 yeah grade 11 12 and we had a grade 13 when I was in high school so three years in a row and in my in my in my fifth year of high school before I went to University in grade 13 I actually uh went on a tour on spring break with my high school team to Ireland oh awes and yeah so I I played in Dublin uh Mona was one city and cor cork was another city Cork's and uh yeah and I I and I love rugby and uh I just wanted to tell you I was I I I started as a Winger because I was super fast then I moved in the I moved into the fullback position um because I was I was actually pretty good at like uh kicking uh so I was able to punt and even kick the the extra points yeah so I I really love rugby so I I I wouldn't mind talking to you more about that and other sports and athletes and how that how carnivore is like carnivore is like it really is the ultimate diet for athletes too 100% never in my life experienced any any better performance than than that um yeah absolutely man I'd love to have you back on um let's do it again let's set it up and sounds good doesn't have to be months you know we can set it we can do it before that that's great but uh thank you so much man it's it's been a pleasure thank you very much for for sharing your story with everybody I think it's I think it's you every time I hear it it's it's just you know more and more inspirational that you're just you know you're just teaming with life and you're just going you know to to you know you you know you're doing everything that you can to get the best outcome possible and I think that you know that paves the way for other people to say okay Jeff did this he's having good results this is how I'm going to do it too and so I I really appreciate you coming on and letting people know about what you what you're what you're doing and how it's going for you nice a lot Dr chaffy and I just uh you know um I know that your your uh subscribers are going to be watching this and I'm very blessed to they're listening to it but if you know I started my channel uh to help others so if anybody knows uh of anybody going through cancer and they just want to connect that way they can look me up on YouTube too and and uh and connect with me that way uh because when I have time I try to go through uh my list of emails and comments and and connect with people that are going through something similar because you're absolutely right I think you said it earlier we're we're social beings and we need to interact with people it helps helps us helps us out big time yeah so thank you yeah no thank you and where where can people find you and you know see your channel and and connect with you yeah yeah uh so on YouTube uh right about now i' I've been up for about three months I'm kind of new to the YouTube World um it's it's called the channel is called uh blessings on my journey and I I just I thought you know I still today I think that's a pretty good name because I uh every single day I wake up and I and I'm constantly trying to make everything a blessing in my life every day and I think you don't have to be going through cancer to have that uh philosophy but it's a lot easier for me to to see it today so check me out blessings on my journey thanks perfect any any Instagram or anything like that or is that the um I'm I'm I'm starting to get in the Instagram world uh Dwight told me a long time ago especially when he started sending me YouTube videos uh you got all the doctors are on the are on the gram you got to get on the gram and I kind of boycotted it for a while so I'm learning how to use it I I I can't I I don't know I haven't really figured it I figured it out but I'm sure I will soon my son I'll get my sons to help me uh figure it out but I I am kind of venturing into Instagram a little bit right now too okay cool well definitely check that uh for for everybody watching watching you know thank you very much for listening I hope you guys found it enjoyable please go check out Jeff's page and give him a follow and uh you know and watch more of his story and if anybody is unfortunately suffering with cancer or has a friend or family member that is do check that out check out the seat free talk um conversations as well that I've done that Jeff has been a part of with Carrie from homestead how it you know the more information you get on this the better off that you can be and just the more well-armed you'll be going into a tough situation for anybody so anybody has that um has that to contend with please do go check out uh Jeff's work and we'll see you again very soon thanks Dr shaffy thanks man