Dr. Anthony Chaffee addresses critical mistakes that undermine carnivore diet success, focusing on the problematic addition of natural sugars and dairy overconsumption. He explains why honey and fruit, despite being "natural," contain the same harmful fructose and glucose as processed sugars, with fructose proven to cause metabolic syndrome through randomized controlled trials. The episode reveals how honey is literally bee vomit - concentrated nectar that bees regurgitate and store - making it inappropriate for human consumption outside of starvation scenarios.
The discussion turns to dairy as a condiment versus dairy as a primary food, where Dr. Anthony Chaffee explains how many people misinterpret guidance and consume massive amounts of cheese, yogurt, and milk. This leads to weight loss stalls due to dairy's inflammatory A1 and A2 casein proteins, lactose content that disrupts ketosis, and addictive properties from casomorphins that create compulsive eating patterns similar to opiates.
Key Takeaways
- Honey and fruit contain the same fructose and glucose as table sugar, with fructose proven through randomized controlled trials to cause metabolic syndrome - avoid these unless in actual starvation situations
- Use dairy only as a condiment on meat, not as a primary food source, since overconsumption of cheese, yogurt, and milk commonly stalls weight loss and triggers inflammatory responses
- Milk contains lactose that kicks you out of ketosis and casomorphins that create mild opiate-like addiction, making it particularly problematic for maintaining carnivore diet adherence
- Most cultivated fruits are bioengineered to be unnaturally sweet and many wild fruits remain toxic to humans, as plants evolved with specific animals (like birds) rather than humans as their seed dispersers
- Honey and Fruit: Why Natural Sugars Aren't Carnivore
- Fruit Evolution and Plant Toxins: Why Most Fruits Are Poisonous
- Dairy Problems: Weight Loss Stalls and Casein Addiction
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accountable mistake number six so I think that uh another one that people make is that you know not not again in keeping the theme of actually not sticking with fullblown carnivore and then you you incorporating things like fruit and honey saying well these are sort of natural sugars and natural sweeteners and that's true but so is sucrose sucrose is a natural sweetener it comes from sugar cane or sugar beads and you know it's it's the same sugar it's the same glucose it's the same fructose and it does the same things in your body um you know people say well you know honey comes from from bees but um you know that's an animal but that's not it's not of the animal you know it's not animal tissue it's just something that a bee has made you know and so like your your grandmother made vegetable soup but that does that's carnivore because an animal made it well no she just made it it's not you know it's not actually animal animal tissu so that's the difference it was funny actually you because you know it's be vomit right and that's literally what it is you know I mean they're they're drinking nectar they're concentrating it and they're doing different sort of chemical reactions in their body and then they HK it up and and and they store it as as a long-term uh food source and uh and that is literally what it is and um and so I was just making that point online one day and and basically saying that you know like you know cud is uh is the equivalent in cows you know that's you know the cows make it they chew up the grass they you know swallow it down that sort of gets half-digested they puke it up into their mouth chew it more swallow it again and um you know I'm not going to eat cud either I don't think that's something that's good for us either that's food for a cow and honey is food for a bee and um and we're a human and soone got mad it's like oh my God you know like you know it's not be vomit like you know you need education I'm like actually technically it actually is beom that's exactly what it is and either way it's not animal tissue and either way it has a high concentration of sugar and fructose in particular and fructose has been shown time and time again study after study to be quite harmful especially you know taken long term now if you're starving you know probably the best thing for you is is to get you know that hit of energy uh restores your your liver glycogen muscle glycogen super quick like fructose is is the quickest ever replenishing your glycogen uh apart from your fat in your body because your body constantly replenishes your blacken um but you know outside of a star a starvation survival situation I don't think that it's optimal I don't think that it's it's what you want to do and you know Dr Robert lustic has shown actually has has performed uh randomized control trials in humans showing the reversible nature of metabolic disease and metabolic syndrome in adolescence uh by simply removing fructose or adding fructose and so he and the and this these studies actually met the Bradford Hill criteria for causation so he's actually proved causation between fructose and metabolic syndrome so you know I think a problem and you know maybe it's better maybe there are some things in honey that make it better than you know table sugar undoubtedly and same with fruit but that doesn't mean that that the sugar acts any differently in your body it just means that there's other things that mitigate it that that that are also of benefit but that doesn't make the sugar good for you at any by any stretch of the imagination and people say fruit well that's the part of the plant that they want that the plant wants you to eat well it want something to eat it not necessarily you hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show for everybody down in Australia Stockman Stakes who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meats flash frozen and vacuum sealed tood door 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us so in fact most fruits and berries will still be very poisonous to you a good example of that is C away where most of these these berries and fruits have actually evolved with birds and so you see this in the tropics with a Cleary bird um they eat you know 150 different kinds of fruit every single one will kill you that's because the plant wants the catary bird to eat it because if that seed doesn't pass through the gut of a catary bird it won't germinate and so if anything else eats that fruit that seed does not turn into a plant so that is not in that plant cus there's no survival Advantage there's no biological Advantage for anything else eating that plant and that thing is super toxic and if you know to the point that if the C bird leave a territory all those plants will die out because they have to have the calary bird they will not germinate they will not turn into a plant unless it goes through the gut of a CER bird and so yes the plant wants something to eat the fruit or the berry but not necessarily you and either way it's not a plant or it's not a it is a plant and it's not meat and it's not corn war and I wouldn't eat it neither would I okay next one um Carnival mistake number seven I say I wouldn't eat it unless I was you know need to to survive unless you I'll eat honey and fruit if I'm dying yeah 100% honey and fruit if you're dying otherwise don't have it yeah um another one I think is you know the people slip up on it is you know they hear that um you when I tell them I was just like you know they say well what about Dairy and I was like well that's a bit of a gray area and you know so if you can have it sometimes to the condiment some people can't do dairy most people like with autoimmune issues they really need to avoid Dairy they need to just be meat and water and usually just red meat and water and as close to grass-fed and finished red meat and water as possible especially while they're they're healing and and they're uh yeah for usually for around this first six months and they can be a bit more tolerant of things but Dairy seems to have a problem with certain people it's pro-inflammatory you know there's the A1 casine protein and A2 casine protein A1 is more pro-inflammatory but A2 is actually proinflammatory as well it's just not as bad as A1 but people can still have problems with it and so you know and there there are other issues as well however one of the things that people find is that that they can actually stall their weight loss and their fat loss if they're eating like a lot of dairy and that's that's a very common thing that I see is that when someone's stalling or even gaining weight they're putting on weight and it's just like you talk to them and they're actually eating just a ton of dairy because they hear that well you can use Dairy as a condiment you can melt cheese on meat you can have a bit of yogurt or sour cream on meat and I always say use as a condiment meat is the meal you can have a bit of this for flavor texture whatever but you know really focus on the meat and they think and all they hear is yes you can have dairy and they just start eating just buckets of of of yogurt and uh you know having sour cream and drinking milk I mean milk is a bad idea just because it has enough lactose to uh increase your your insulin and kick you off ketosis and cause other metabolic issues but a lot of people just eat a ton of this I I don't know how many people I told in Australia when I when I moved to Perth and and told them exactly that in that way that you know to to eat dairy sparingly and as a condiment only and um went into detail about it and you know I talked to him a few weeks later and like how's it going like ah well I'm not really losing weight and was like okay well what's going on what do you eating it's like mostly halumi I'm like wait what and they just like go to Costco just get a three kilo jug of like they're just eating that's what they're eating they're just eating just halumi cheese just all all day every day that's why if I'm at a place and and that cheese is there I don't even touch it not even one bite because halumi is like see even though it doesn't have the sugar but it's got this casine protein or and there's like casine morphine addiction so let's just say there's no sugar but it's got this addictive quality but it's so salty and fatty that's another combination that you just can't stop eating hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys yeah and um you know Dr Paul Mason you know he he points out that there's actually actually you know a very very lowgrade small amount of of opiate in milk and you know this is you know you're trying to you're trying to attract the baby cows or baby person or baby whatever saying hey you should have more of this they're like wow I really want that I really want that now it's not you're not going to get high right um but there's enough of it that there's just that kind of like hey I like that you get a bit of a dopamine kick and you're like I enjoy this I want more of this and I I certainly noticed that I I really I need to limit my I just need to cut out milk is is the main thing because I love milk I used to always drink like a gallon of milk a day growing up I loved it really but you were an athlete like yeah well even even when I was a kid like a young kid I just I loved milk um we always had skin milk though you know so it wasn't actually really all that nutritious but um I still loved it I just loved the taste and just like cold and nice and just I just chug it and um now you know it just tastes like ice cream to me you know because I like my sweet you know I'm so sensitive to sweet now I drink like you know that lactose is just like so sweet to me it's just like I'm like drinking ice cream I'm like oh my God that's amazing and I really don't want to stop and it's not good so you know I I find that that compulsive aspect of it as well so I understand it from people but that is definitely something that will trip people up and and I I again I think people follow you know their their their bodies and hunger Chase nutrients more than calories and so you're drinking milk or you're having you know and that's going to screw you up too because the carbohydrates are going to you know boost your your hunger signals anyway and you'll probably overeat the um you know cheeses or whatever I mean they're going to have things that are good for you but they don't have everything it's not complete nutrition like a steak is and so your body still wants those nutrients and so what I find is that quite often people will eat the exact same amount of meat every day regardless of the amount of dairy they eat it that Dair is always an addition it's always added so if they're having a piece of halumi or a pound of halumi like there's still it's an addition to the same exact amount of meat that they're eating generally and so now you're just adding in extra extra food that your body doesn't necessarily need or want and uh and that can that can definitely stall weight loss or even even have people game like something that that people may think that they're they're very very limited and they're like I have no options I have no choices and and they get pretty sad about it and they they get worn down and beaten down and like oh I just can't eat anything I'm limited