"Weightlifting Is a Complete Waste of Time Do This Instead" | Dr. John Jaquish

every time you went to the hospital like oh it's getting worse and worse and worse yeah and at least hopefully you other people hear that and you know take that to heart yeah it's really it's really sad you know I I don't know who convinced that was the right thing to do about a month before he died he said I I don't know how to treat pancreatic cancer but I know what I did was the wrong thing you know by eating the wrong thing it's not it's not a little thing you know it's not just like oh they're a bit overweight they're very sick you know and they're getting they're getting illnesses that they shouldn't have to have how about how about the people that eat a primary carbohydrate diet and just White Knuckle every day with their [Music] hunger good to see you man it uh you know it's been a while since we we spoke last time but um definitely wanted to talk to you more about uh you know just the X3 bar and just exercise fitness in general um last time we we spoke a lot of people got got quite a lot out of that and uh a lot of people been asking for an ENC so I appreciate you be making some time to come back on 100% and we'll do it a third time if people still have more questions yeah sounds good yeah absolutely um far away yeah yeah um all right well let's get into it talking about the X3 bar so uh Anthony's been using it for a little while now and is doing a doing the 30-day challenge um John how did this how did this come about and and what's the purpose of the of the X3 bar versus you know just going to the gym so I had been going to the gym for 20 years uh and I really didn't get much out of it um I had you didn't get much out of it so you you weren't in good shape or um I mean I was lean for a little while but that had less to do with the gym and more to do with my diet and I played rugby in in uh University so that keeps you lean yeah sprinting and stopping sprinting and stopping like you don't see a lot of fat rugby players so um um I was how do I how do I say it without totally trashing weightlifting I mean I guess I was sore on a regular basis I really didn't gain a lot of muscle um when I was playing for a semi-pro team um I had some testicular damage uh so then I got a prescription for testosterone replacement therapy and so this was a 27 years old and so and then I was like h i I don't really need rugby in my life anymore I'm a much better fan anyway like um you know like like I'm pretty sure like Anthony you went like all American right yeah yeah yeah not me yeah I was just I I was there for like my my University experience was much more about uh well I was I guess it was about academics I I I did pretty well and then um I like my fraternity and rugby was just something that was like yeah like I'm tough I can do this but I wasn't I wasn't planning on like a future in rugby so like every last last talk we had Anthony was going on and on about all the stuff he did in rugby and I'm like I'm identifying with like the first story and then the second story and then and then for America like bro like I'm you lost me so um yeah yeah so uh it it was certainly a fun experience and I love the game but uh you know I was way more interested in keeping my teeth and my face intact than I was winning games and at a low level you'll do fine in rugby uh with that attitude at a high level you'll do awful because the other guys you know and also coincidentally after I graduated I I did some research on different bone uh density and bone structure of different races of people who's best at rugby so like new zealanders Islanders the gauge of bone like if I if I grab onto my radius bone right here you know just pinch it you know it's maybe two cmers thick you find a guy that was smaller than me on the field shorter than me he would have thinner bones you'd think but if he was from Tonga or samaa it was like the dude had re bar in his arms it was like like you know you grab on his wrist and I be let me see that for a second and I remember thinking I'm writing a paper about this and I did I did it was it was an interesting like different races of people are just designed for high impact collisions and others are not so uh and uh you know like white dudes really not yeah but if you got some Islander in you then you know you're good so uh so that was that was part of my part of my reason but then when I got out of school then to answer your question uh my mother was diagnosed with osteoporosis and so I and this is where osteostrong came from I looked at how I could treat her bone loss uh she didn't want to take any of the drugs that were out there and I didn't blame her I read some of the side effects and I was like God like the side effects are worse than having osteoporosis which we see all the time the different side effects and medications um and and also as I got into research I met a lot of researchers that told me you know there's no such thing as a side effect drugs have effects some you want and some you don't yeah and it's like just understand that and you will do so much better in writing about pharmaceuticals versus Physical Medicine because like I could see where like I was trying to go I was trying to say what if we could come up with a Physical Medicine solution uh something where we could make the human body do something and we could create an environment where the bone density had to go up and set it down so sedentary lifestyle bone density is going down how do we get enough Force Through The Bone so that we trigger it to grow and not just maintain like grow like go back to where it was when you were 30 years old which is when Peak bone mass is so I built a series of devices uh that are now found in osteo strong locations and they put compressive force on bone to emulate high impact forces so not high impact but the emulation of high impact to manifest those growth uh differences you know that we see in younger years of life so I did that and then just through some of my connections the first uh real clinical trial was at um university of East London and they were using a nearby hospital facility to do patient Recruitment and do the therapy act and um so as they were doing this some of the physicians at the hospital who had osteopenia which is like pre osteoporosis and osteoporosis were like well we can't be test subjects because we're not blinded but we want just want to use the device like is there any reason we shouldn't oh no go ahead it's very safe and so they used it and they noticed they took dexa scans and they showed bone growth and they were thrilled because this was a problem that was bothering them and they didn't want to take the medications either you know I I find it interesting when I talk to a lot of Physicians about prescribing certain medications and then I ASW would you take this different answer yeah like they'll prescribe something frequently and it's like would you take this well you know I might look into nutritional Solutions first it's like you don't say that to your patient so and I get the same argument every time yeah compliance I tell patients to work out they don't I tell them to stop eating Twinkies they don't I tell them to stop drinking two bottles of wine a day and they don't so it's tough okay yeah I'll give him that you know like a pill like unless the pill gives them like immediate acid reflux or something awful happens right away yeah they might stick with that so what like why is it always a medication well that's part of a reason so so uh they use this device and they got a results that they never expected to get even from some stronger courses to drugs that they would never take and so they were thrilled and uh when that clinical trial was coming to conclusion and uh I wasn't writing it up I was just there to make sure they were using the device correctly you know because you want to make sure they don't use it wrong and then get a bad result and then it's like the data is worthless yeah so say it again no just yeah I was agreeing with you make sure they're actually have the proper technique so some of the Physicians were saying I can't believe the forces that are going through my body it's like six seven eight nine times my body weight um and I remember the the one who had the highest loading compared to her body weight she was a a 90 PB woman and she was putting nine times her body weight through her hip joint and she's like that's like I looked up like strongest people in the world can't lift that and I'm like well okay you're not lifting it you're compressing your bone mass specifically in the hip joint to get that loading but it's a very interesting point because in weightlifting like I If like really once you look at that research and then compare it to regular weightlifting and I did that I did a comparison of the Nan's database and what people on average lift and for those that don't know what the N database is it's the largest Health database in the world that add about 2,000 people people per year and have been doing so for maybe 12 years now and it's whole battery test there's strength testing there's uh body composition testing there's uh blood work like pretty much every conveniently gathered and some inconveniently gathered Health metrics are all put together on different individuals and with that much data you can look at certain people and draw some conclusions Maybe random sample of people a random sample of population yeah wow right but then what you get the random sample then you can parse it out to like marginally athletic people highly athletic people and then you start to understand maybe athletic populations turns out like some of the most athletic people that are in the Innings database work out two or three times a week shock really like I would expect people to be working out a little more than that but we do live well I live in the United States and uh 75% of men in the United States are overweight or obese so you got to consider what the norm is like what's the average if the average is you know overweight or obese well you know then the fit people in the Na's database may not be so fit but for these for the the purposes of what I was looking into it was like what sort of Weights are people dealing with when exercising the lower extremities versus how we compress the hip joint in in the Osteo strong medical devices so looking at the capacity by the way an AIO strong all the force is self-created so Force doesn't come on you you create the force and you're looking at a computer readout of what your body's capable of so think about it this is for a safety reasons like can I break my own finger by squeezing a fist no can't do it no you can't neural inhibition it's sort of like it takes more Force to bite through a carrot than it does through your own finger but you can't bite through your finger your own neural inhibitory process will stop you from doing that like it just won't let your jaw muscle contract enough to actually you know cause you to go right through right through a bone so um looking at that whole solution I realized people are seven times stronger in a stronger range of motion like right here than they are in their weaker range of motion so now knowing that I thought wow like weightlifting is a terrible approach to stimulating muscular growth because we are so powerful yet we don't know it because every time you go to lift weights you pick the weight you can handle in the weakest range of motion but you're actually seven times more capable so what you need is a weight that's changing as you're moving it from strong to weaker range and it's got to be relevant in every range so then I thought okay I'll write a book about band training because that seems to have never taken off and keep mind this was probably like seven or eight years ago um way before I launched X3 and so I bought a couple of the heavier bands I could find because most of bands out there are like five pounds you know like it's not relevant for strength great for Rehab not relevant for strength so I found some 50 100 pound bands and immediately it was like every joint in my body hurt because you can't when you grab a hold of a band it wants to be a circle well the human body doesn't interface with circles so well we interface with flat ground and straight bars real well and that's been known and that's why that's what Fitness is based on but at the same time you need those those surfaces and those grips to be able to fully engage the body so I thought okay it'll I got to develop now I got to develop a product now it's not about writing a book uh though I did write the book anyway uh and then and so it was like we need something to keep the wrist neutral and the ankles neutral and if we do that we can load the body far beyond what weightlifting can ever do in the appropriate range of motion and Trigger growth much faster and that's that was the birth of three and I did write the book weightlifting is a waste of time it's a Wall Street um very upset about the title most people who complain about the title never read the book shocking I know yeah uh yeah yeah so you know it's the the we don't really like the company doesn't Target people in the fitness industry per se we're much more interested in um sort of the busy professional who can maybe read some science and understand it but Fitness people cannot understand science not it's not that they don't want try they are not capable like just I mean look the the two biggest Fitness information outlets on the internet are YouTube and Instagram videos and pictures yeah I mean it's like we're in preschool you you got to turn the whole book into a video of um of short Instagram reals yeah yeah right yeah and they can just flick past the parts they think they understand but don't yeah yeah I mean I I I don't know what the actual answer it's okay because I'm getting to the market that I'm looking for but like yeah I'm just absolutely blown away like when I I bump into these Fitness people like you know all kinds of swear words which usually would hit a filter but they misspell even the swear words that's they get through yeah they can't even get their profanity right yeah so you know so so John who's it who's it really working for is it um like older people who have osteoporosis or you know busy professionals Osteo strong yes yeah okay for X3 the uh it's it's really just the busy professional it's the guy who tried lifting weights didn't get anything out of it which by the way is like 99.9% of the population like how many people do you tune I already you know got the answer from Anthony but you could you create a list of 10 people that you know that have been working out for more than two years who look absolutely no different whatsoever from the day they started yeah you could everybody could very coming because that's almost everyone who is involved in Fitness you you nothing changes if you're fat you're still fat if you're skinny you're still skinny yeah it just it's not working and I got some explanations for that the biggest genetic difference is tendon l lay out so like if I look at my my tendon you know like like my pectoral so the origin is here and then it attaches right you know here you know that's where it's supposed to attach right here sort of uh comes underneath the bicep and attaches on the humorous so its job is to draw the humoris in towards the middline of my body but some people maybe one10 to 1% have it over here or anywhere else along that that humorous bone well the further away from the origin you have it and there's maybe six or seven different studies on this further way you have it the longer lever you have in your body so if you have a lever in your body you have a massive advantage and this is why most people lift weights and get nothing out of it and then all of a sudden there's one guy who seems to grow bigger every time the guy shows up at the gym you know I went to high school with a guy like that his name was Mark it was like we started working out at the same time we were about the same size the guy put on like 40 pounds in a summer you know I think I put on one yeah I know people who' have done that i' got a feeling have done I'm just looking like what are you doing he goes I don't know the only difference uh between what you're doing and what I'm doing is I smoke cigarettes and I'm like yeah I don't it's got be yeah yeah so I mean the guy just just couldn't stop growing incredible musculature um and he ended up being a just an excellent athlete but you know that's that's the genetic genetic born NFL player kind of genetics but when you train with variable resistance you get that leverage like you're actually nullifying the advantage that most people have in getting the advantage your or or getting the advantage yourself depending on how you want to look at it but the lever arm makes no difference and like really tall people like look at the look at the NBA a lot of those guys like they're in shape they're lean but they're pretty thin not a lot of guys can put on a lot of muscle uh now they can because no it's still harder to see on an NBA player when you're 6' s yeah it's stretched out so much yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly like a short guy puts on 20 pounds of muscle and everybody's like whoa B of muscle yeah an NBA player puts on 40 pounds of muscle and nobody notices yeah yeah yeah so but still they can they can grow some musculature because now their disadvantages are gone and they can grow a muscle like the NFL player now yeah can you John can you dig into that a bit more because I'm because I'm taller and quite lean so how so because is it that they can get into that that um kind of sweet spot of Maximum tension and force faster with the X3 bar or or why is it that that it's easy now for tall people to build muscle it's the middle part that you don't get stuck on it's the it's the this it's the getting stuck right here right okay we talk about that as like sticking point but really it's just kind of a lack of Leverage um lack of access to the muscle because you know when somebody helps you pass that point you know you can you can do lockouts or something with some a weight that's much higher than you would otherwise be able to handle in full range yeah because we we've probably all seen the the short muscular guy who can bench a heap you know they put 150 kilos on the bar and it's because they're only they're only moving the bar about this far that's right right and their elbow is still closer yeah you know inside so they don't have the mechanical disadvantage that a taller guy would but with X3 none of that makes a difference yeah and this it also you know um you seen even in weightlifting trying to accommodate for that exact phenomenon you know they have like uh you know the heavy chains that put on the side of like a a bench bar so whereas like you know as you're going up it's pulling up more chains off the ground which are just add add weight too it's the exact same concept except it's it's not adding nearly as much weight um as like the X3 bar can I mean it's adding sort of like five pounds per link but obviously there's there's a limit on how many of those links yeah if you're 11 feet tall maybe you can get some good variants in there but you're not then probably not yeah that that was sort of the other thing that when I looked at this is the advantage that I had that no one else who designed a piece of equipment ever had the advantage of having which was the bone density research so nobody really knew what the the maximum capability of people were in their most optimized range of motion it was always seen as a place where you absorb Force so you can absorb like gymnasts absorb 10 times their body weight upon Landing uh from the uneven bars that's the biggest drop they have so 10 times their body weight you know anybody that squats 10 times their body weight no no neither does anyone else yeah so like way higher loading capability we have so how do we access that from an exercise science standpoint like how do we get the benefit of the landing that the gymnast has without having to actually become a gymnast because there's all sorts of reasons why we can't all go do that so I mean if you're like over 5'8 you know you you can't do that right Anthony would never we put him on the uneven bars he would just like whack his feet Other Bar like seriously like you can't fit yeah yeah so so uh how do we get that proper loading and I I realized that the ratio of force was really the critical issue because there had been some studies that showed variable resistance was great but they'd be holding X at the bottom and maybe 1.2x at the top where you really want X at the bottom and maybe four or five or six x here so it's it's got to be and coincidentally after I started somebody came out with a study um can't remember the author but it's in the book and uh they showed that the greater the ratio of variance the more muscular growth there is in in a shorter period of time so and and X3 was like even a more aggressive ratio than they were using in that study but I think that study might have been designed sort of around like hey this X3 idea we're either going to prove it or disprove it because that's how science works you know you don't you don't start out trying to prove something works you want to find that you want to create a test that'll show if it works or not and potentially why yeah yeah or potentially trying to disprove it you know that that's like a properly designed study is like okay you know I you know let's let's we this is our assertion that this works okay let's try and disprove it you know because you know you're at a much stronger position there you know because you're looking for ways to you know you know test it and look for chinks in the armor and if you what what nuances of the study would have well the previous studies would have made this work even if it wasn't what it was you know so like let's let's eliminate even more variables that people didn't think of in the first trial so yeah and uh and with with variable resistance there's 16 well-written studies and 16 out of 16 show you grow muscle faster and I would say like there was a study in the very beginning one of the first ones I cited that showed that people were getting stronger at the triple the rate which is why I called the thing X3 it's funny like we tested that with a bunch of audiences and people just didn't believe it and so I I I went to uh the strapline of the product is now greater force greater gain which is somebody nobody argues with um and they grow muscle very fast still but the idea that it was Triple the speed two things I didn't like about it one is people found that so hard to believe though it was true in the study but also I would say it's more than trible because most people who lift weights they get zero you know it's like what's your progress after after a year zero what's your progress after two years zero so yeah I mean it's harsh to say and I mean I called the book waight lifting is R waste time for a reason and uh I call out all sorts of statistics about how unfit Americans are even the ones that go to the gym all the time because the people the people that you see at most gyms and the people that you see at the pizza height are they any different no I mean maybe you you go to Gold's Gym and V California yeah that's different yeah yeah it's totally different though that's like you know like half the members there are professional athletes and um and also like people going to to Pizza Hut are often the same cry as going to the gym because they you know they go they go to the gym and go I earn this pizza and they eat something wretched for their body and you know and they're just they're really really fighting against themselves Pizza put in place pizza with heroin and say that same yeah yeah sentence like it's just I mean not that pizzas is damaging his heroin but like stop justifying things to yourself yeah when you want something that you know is bad for you like just play different scenarios like boy I had a really hard day so I should be allowed to cheat on my wife today yeah ask her I don't think she will agree so like it's like it's like one of these I've earned this these hook I've been in the gym all day I played with the kids I bought my wife flowers I earned this hooker you know yeah right right like no one would say no I mean sure there some guy out there that probably has said that probably does think that yeah yeah but it's like nobody would say that about anything other than food and and this is where we were talking earlier and I I was just about to say like for some reason Society like if I if I see somebody who smokes and I see him just lighting you know their next cigarette with the burning butt of the last one yeah I can say to that guy like you're this is a bad path like you like those too much like get that out of your life and uh you know if I say it and not be a smartass about it even a random person will be like yeah you're right maybe he'll listen maybe it won't be me maybe the next guy or maybe it'll be his uncle who dies lung cancer and then he goes oh [ __ ] I got to quit doing this m but try walking up to somebody and telling them to eat too much yeah like it's a random person it's not not gonna go down well I mean just think think about the conversation I couldn't help but notice you're overweight um you should probably like make some better nutrition choices can I help you they will like yeah yeah lose your mind yeah yeah just that's just the situation that we're in telling telling them you shouldn't be eating that um you know like I I went to a Super Bowl party this year and uh the food was all just junk food and so I went and I had a couple pounds of ground beef and then I went to the party and you know they noticed I wasn't eating anything and I'm like well you're not serving anything that's food is edible stri I actually in in my own way I thought that was like the nicest thing to say they were like what do you mean like I would never put any of this in my body yeah by the way you shouldn't either and I like Ru I like ruin this event I'm just gonna go guys I just finish this game at home yeah it's okay nobody want to be there at that point anyway yeah like you talk about that as well you people why is that such a problem yeah yeah it shouldn't be you should be able to say like we should hold ourselves to a higher standard and not like now I do like if I'm at a group dinner especially if I'm paying the bill you know the people are like oh let's get the you know let's get the the cheese sticks and let's get the uh you know the Bavarian pret balls and I'm like yeah let's um let's just take the steak entree and you have you know Chef just cut it up and give us a bunch of toothpicks yeah yeah like I do that all the time any restaurant be like yeah sure we'll do that and uh and then people are like why did you do that that's not even an appetizer on the menu yeah I'm the customer I get whatever I want yeah yeah and also we're going to eat healthy if you're going to be with me that's price you pay well you know a lot a lot of people do um you know use use food in the same way that we use drugs you know and um people use you know people who do use drugs or they drink or smoke whatever you maybe they they'll do that on the weekend maybe they'll drink on the weekend or do you know special event they'll go to parties or whatever um and they you know you they know that there bad for them and they accept that it's bad for them and say well I know this is bad for me however I want this effect I want to party I want to have fun or whatever and I you know I'll take the hangover I'll take the the the healthy I mean they don't realize just how much it's hurting their body but you know they they at least recognize that concept and they're willing to make that tradeoff but with food you know they they can also do that as well but they don't they don't realize it's as bad as it is I'll have some pizza oh it's not really the best for me but you know I like it and so we have that same sort of uh relationship with food and even think about it the same way while and and then you know you tell a junkie keep talking I'm not going away yeah you you know you tell a junkie you know it's like hey you know you should probably cut down you know a lot of them will get very offended as well they get really pissed off because you're you're challenging you know their their habit and the thing is is that you know they they probably know already that this is this is bad for them and now you're reminding them of this and you're like God damn I'm just trying to party all right I'm not trying to think about you know reality and you do that with food as well people get get really pissed off um it's the socially acceptable addiction yeah absolutely yeah yeah and like every um you know every birthday that comes around out comes the birthday cake and you know every uh every sort of social get together out comes the cakes and coffees and sweets and all that sort of thing it's you know very cultural isn't it and in In some cultures it's better than others um my mother's from Belgium and like and I I don't like this about Belgium but I also do so I mean they're always talking about the chocolates that come at the end of the meal and they're always talking about the little little cute pastries and I mean like this [ __ ] just pisses me off because I have 36 first cousins in Belgium Jesus you imagine how many pastries I get handed and I have to say no yeah it's just like come on guys you know what I do you all follow me stop it but the good news is it's usually one piece of chocolate and one little pastry yeah so there's something to be said about volume yeah and that's not how Americans do it like if you get a piece of cake you get like a huge piece of cake and you might have a second one they don't do and then and then you know in a lot of Asian countries being overweight is considered shameful to your family like you're like gluttonous so like but they never talk about it it's just like you know when somebody gets fat it's like like the uh like it's just like the old guys like no yeah like the um like the Asian nail places where you know they have those like undercover cameras and things like that someone come my God and you see the subtitles and it's like look right yeah they trash talk oh yeah that and I mean I'm not saying bullying is positive but I think it can be maybe a little like a little bit of peer pressure could help us all well I mean there's I mean certainly bullying and really going after someone and and being horrible is obviously netive yeah yeah is very negative but like but you know the you know psychology we look at you know keeping people in you know in in the range of norms and you know when someone someone's stepping outside of that you know it actually is beneficial to the society for them to just go hey what the hell are you doing you know that's just that's not really what we do here and you know in Social um INE what we know it's unhealthy not I mean like like like what you see on the cover Sports illustr now they're like glorifying obesity like that's just the wrong move yeah like if you choose to you know uh if had to put you know one over the other like somebody likes smoking marijuana okay so you're going to get Dumber you know there's there's quite a bit of resarch now when you quit or when you take an extended break a lot of brain activity comes back but really the mechanism of THC is like limiting blood flow to the brain that's why you uncontrollably laugh about stuff it's like your brain isn't working yeah you're like what is well I can't think of that name of that thing I need to eat oh yeah Fork give me a fork you know I mean that kind of thing that's that's hilarious but at the same time it's because You' limited the blood flow to your brain yeah so but if somebody has a habit of that the long-term effects aren't as damaging as if somebody's habit is I just like to eat a box of candy bars every day yeah and uh and yeah that that's the kind of thing that we we we need to be able to to help people know yeah it would be nice to you know when this gets more you know mainstream I think it is you know like you know people because obviously you know everyone everyone has a different opinion on what what's healthy eating and and that that's very hard for people and they say just like you like what what am I who am I supposed to listen to everyone's making great arguments I don't know what the hell uh to believe um but you know we obviously you know you know the three of us are all all making our arguments for for a carnivore diet or a carnivore based diet and uh you know and and it's starting to get some traction and people are now you know being mouthpieces themselves and and start talking about this and they become healthier and then tell everybody right yeah that's it and so you know eventually we're going to be able to get get them being you know enough in the mainstream that they're able to to sort of keep people into like that you know in that social saying hey actually that that's really not healthy you should really put down that carrot that's really that's really G screw you up and um and and actually have that make sense because like you know it sort of sounds insane like put down a carrot you know like why would a carrot be bad for you carrot was what I needed yeah exactly and and then and then we got to untrain a lot of people who think that you know they eat carrots all day that' be the healthiest thing they could do I love to eat carrots all day no no you'd be like living on a toilet probably give your diverticulitis yeah you know the standard of care for diverticulitis still I mean there's been 10 years of research that shows the higher your fiber the worst diverticulitis gets yeah yet the recommendation when you get diverticulitis is only fiber on your diet yeah like don't eat meat nothing just just fiber yeah well and and makes it worse and and even even more insane and and counter to their own thinking is that you know when you go to the hospital with this stuff and you have to have Reis you go on a you know a low residue diet so they they even tell you like like the general surgeons will say Hey you know no fiber nothing like that as soon as the infection is cleared you know they say now you better get on that high fiber diet you know that that's what really going to protect you I'm like are you insane you know like the you you literally had to stop them from eating fiber because that was you know that was making this thing worse and now stop and you're telling him to do the exact thing that you told them was going to make it worse like that that's just a level of insanity to me that that just like just Beggars imagination because like you are countering yourself you know you see the evidence in front of you you're saying yeah don't do that oh but now you really need to do that like what in the hell are you talking about you know but yeah there's there's a lot of that there's a lot of that in in the hospitals unfortunately every day the hospital system also what's in the cafeteria of actually I'm kind of curious what's in the cafeteria in Australian hospitals awful it's just just carbs and sugar carbs and sugar just sugar right same thing with yeah it's like yeah they got a little slice of apple cake or apple pie and they got a a couple salad options and a couple pieces of sliced fruit and you're like where's the barbecue yeah like sod soda machines you know yeah they all have soda machines everywhere yeah you know and um you know and and the patients are getting you know just just sugary carbs like that that's it you know it's it's a lot of bread with Jam fruit cups fruit juice that that is 95% of what these people get you know and like also fruit juice like that that court case ended a long time ago fruit juice is right up there with like Coca-Cola yeah yeah well and some of them fruit juice yeah and some of them even worse you know I mean there's like there's certain fruit juices that have have more grams of sugar per you know per ounce than cocacola and it's just oh but it's good for you because it has vitamin C I'm like whoopy do you you mix vitamin C in with your cocaine you like that this this good for you now it's like oh I'm doing this for my health you know it's it's like no you're not you know that's nonsense you know and uh and giving this to people in the hospital I that bothers me so much and um you know these people are are sick you know and like and uh I mean we've known since the 1930s that you know carbohydrates fuel cancer and cancer cells taken 400 times the amount of glucose as our other cells you know from aot warberg you Nobel Prize winner in 1930 and yet we are feeding cancer patients the vast majority of their yeah just yeah yeah what the hell are you doing I often like I mean I did not take a single oncology class I've read a lot of cancer papers so I would say I have a working knowledge somebody comes to me and they're like hey I've been diagnosed with it I'm like hey like not my field however I usually tell people when I hear somebody say cancer is always fueled by by glucose and so if you shut that down like the cancer cells can't live and so I hear that all the time from people who are just reading biohacking information or health books like like yours or you know anybody's um and I say you know what it certainly depends on the type of cancer and I I've not read enough to say that unilaterally about all different types of cancer it sure seems that that's the case but I'd hate to be wrong on that subject so I tell them you know you're you're gonna have to look elsewhere for a more definitive answer because I just I just don't want to touch it but it sounds like you've read a lot more about oncology that I have is is that basically true like like I mean I I also know that certain types of cancer or hormonal sensitive you know breast cancer for example it's EST sensitive uh so like the sugar is not the whole story but could it be it's it's a major major part and you know even though if things are the biggest part I think so yeah absolutely because it it's you know it's you can have you can have different sensitive sure you can have an estrogen sensitive tumor uh and maybe estrogen will will stimulate it to grow but hor is not fuel exactly causes cell to like divide it's just it's just giving you a signal and but if you don't have the fuel to grow you're not going to grow and so you know you can have you can have the estrogen but if if you're limiting the glucose you're limiting the fuel supply it's not going to be able to grow and um and so that that's a major major bottleneck you know and so and and all all the ones I know of um I haven't heard of any that don't follow that that glucose I haven't found that either and I have looked I have looked for some you know maybe there's a type of cancer that just likes fats or just likes proteins or what they're all glucose fueled some some like glutamine as well but but not all of them I from my understanding all of them you know need this massive amounts of glucose you know because they're they're they go into a ferment fermentative state they're not going through oxidative phosphorization so now they're having to ferment and that that requires massive amounts of glucose because it's not as efficient you know you're not getting you know 36 ATP you know you're getting like two you know and so you just need tons and tons and tons of this stuff and so uh it's very very glucose dependent hey everyone if you need a little extra help getting started on a carnivore diet and my online resources that I have for free aren't enough for you you can go to www.how carnivore and sign up for our 30-day carnivore challenge where you'll have online Resources Group support weekly Zoom meetings as well as the ability to chat live with myself Simon Lewis and the others in the challenge who can help you and support you and give you extra advice and help you along the way so if that sounds like something that would be beneficial to you then please go to how to carnivore my mother was diagnosed with osteoporosis uh wanted to help her and uh developed a series of devices that would mimic uh like like high impact forces so high impact forces into the body absorbed into the bone mass at very specific actually impact ready positions so for example like this kind of position for those not watching like back of the hand in line with a clavical 120 degree angle between upper and lower arm uh that's how if you trip and fall that's how you're going to protect basically your face from hitting the ground and the body's very efficient it reacting in that way uh we are seven times stronger in the impact ready range of motion than we are in the weaker range of motion however we keep doing something really stupid we keep lifting weights if you're seven times stronger in one part of the movement than you are in the other part of the movement why the hell would you lift a static weight that's dumb like that's clearly not how the body works and so I went to develop something that matched our biomechanics or at least came close because now what we're doing just regular resistance training it's the same weight on the bottom where you have 17th of the capacity of what you have at the top so you basically pick a weight when you go weightlifting you pick a weight you can handle in the weakest range of motion and really you're stimulating very little musculature but you are damaging the joints chronically uh you know and Peter AA Dr Peter AA he said this a number of times he says my problem with weightlifting is we overload joints and underload muscle I love it I mean he was sort of thinking the same way I was and this he said this like during like while I was developing this so like wow you know he and I are thinking right along the same line uh and he's a really fit guy but he does kind of focuses on endurance exercise because he's like weightlifting is just not it yeah and uh I love that he made that comment and made perfect sense to me because it was right in line with my research so um I compiled a bunch of research uh pretty much everything on variable resistance and determine not only the variable resistance wins against regular resistance training hands down every single time uh there was one fraudulent study and I I believe it was it was malice that drove this study uh where the variable resistance Group Well the control group was allowed to lift however much weight they lift in the gym so whatever the relevant weight is but the variable resistance people were only allowed to train with theraband and uh which goes up to 14 pounds yeah so they're only allowed to Live 14 pounds and then you know the conclusion was that variable resistance wasn't good well this you know the whole test was Rigg yeah like no one's going to get stronger from 15 pounds of force you use more Str put your shirt on in the morning so uh yeah I mean it was just like a stupid stud but other than that one which is fraudulent 19 out of 19 studies find that variable resistance uh puts on muscle much faster gets you stronger much faster uh faster recovery zero muscle soreness uh like it turns out like soreness is not lactic acid you actually cannot feel lactic acid sorus is from microtar damage which is inversely related to grow so the more damage you do to muscle the less muscle you grow so it's fatigue not damage so the whole idea that we need to get little tears in our muscle and then they grow back you know better false that's not how it works at all um if you have damage then you won't grow if you don't have damage and you took the muscle to fatigue then you do grow uh that's you know another myth I wrestle with sometimes if I just decide to talk to confused people which I spend some is doing and usually it's just like just ignore these people they don't they're unwilling to learn anything uh but we do live in clown world today so there's a lot of people were unwilling to listen or learn um coincidentally I I I think the the internet's really run by um a certain group that's very easily identified in the dun and Krueger study in 1999 you familiar with that um i' I've heard of it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay yeah it's it's my study you'll definitely bring it up at a cocktail party I promise um and what it really says is that the dumbest people think they're the most competent and smartest people yeah I mean that just explains the internet you see people making sweeping statements like this is the way things are and they don't even know the definition of the word words they're using but they're not intelligent so what they don't know doesn't stop them because they don't know what they don't know yeah whereas the smart here's the funny part in the in the in the study the smartest people thought they were a little above average they didn't think they aced it right they were you know they I did great but I had you know I was confused by a few different puzzles and questions and stuff like that yeah and because the smart person knows what they don't know therefore they question a lot of things yeah you know is this all the information have I even been given all the information to answer the question whereas the dumbass doesn't think about that yeah they just you know I know they answer everything yeah well there's that you know Thomas Soul um who you I don't know familiar with him I love Thomas soul I think I've read everything he's written yeah yeah he's brilant like one of my favorite people yeah yeah same and um you one of the things that he said that that has always stuck with me was that it takes a lot of knowledge to understand just how ignorant we are and unfortunately you know a lot of these people you know will never get there and so they they think that I just know everything I just I'm just you know I I can see everything all the pieces in the puzzle and they you know they only see a small piece of it you know and it's you know the the old saying uh you know small bit of information is a dangerous thing you know and um and that's and that's exactly what uh I think is being described there is these people just just you know think that they can see the whole puzzle and extrapolate from that enre picture and of course you know that's very difficult to do um Socrates as well you know I mean he said that you know he was said to be the most wise man in the world but he's like how can I be the wisest man I don't know anything I don't like why me and he went around talking to all the the most learned people that you know like like the study show this these people thought very highly of themselves and you know he just started talking to them and asking them questions and realize these guys didn't know Jack but but they also didn't know that they didn't know Jack and at least knew that he didn't know Jack and so he was like well all right I guess you know and yeah there yeah it's um this is kind of a sidebar but um I've always tried to uh like hang out with smart people because I can learn something from them you know and not smart people that I might meet at some shitty di bar or something like that I'm just never really interested in talking to them uh uh and so yeah I I realize that like I pretty much like my social time is like spent at like private clubs like I I just I join like all kinds of private private clubs because I just don't want to I just want the [ __ ] quotient to be lower I don't want zero I mean that's impossible but but you know when maybe 50% of the people in the room are like actually have something interesting to say like going to be a great night yeah yeah yeah definitely and um uh yeah that was uh I think it was oh who was it I mean comedian um Carlin he said that you if you think about it you know the average IQ is is 100 what does that mean it's an average so that means that definitionally half the people that you meet in your in your life day-to-day basis far below average intelligence you know it's like that it's like that's a pretty frightening thought but you know it's um it's uh I you I've certainly known known people that aren't as intellectually gifted that still work hard and and still H you know recognize that they they don't know certain things and c and try and don't try to act like it and and they actually become very very uh successful and interesting people you know they just uh you know they just work on it and oh yeah somebody doesn't have to be a genius but at least know that you don't know everything yeah yeah exactly that's a very think like like no matter who I say this to no matter where they are in politics I just think of the dumbass posts you see in politics and either direction it's just like people are just saying outlandish stupid [ __ ] it's like the [ __ ] did you get that like I mean now chances are they probably got it from CNN because CNN lies and nobody really checks but uh yeah that's like when somebody posts something like ludicrous I'm like did you you get that from CNN yeah yeah and uh yeah well and that there was a there was a study out of Columbia um it's like 2015 or something like that that came out and they found that uh 52% of people who comment on uh you some sort of Internet post and and talk knowledgeably like you know like you know saying this like well no no this is wrong and this is why 52% of them have never clicked the link you know and so they're just going off the headline and they're just you know the author of that study no give give me an you know it like I'd love to reference that yeah all the time I'll I'll look it up for you I don't I don't have it off put in the show notes I think everybody wants to see that that's awesome yeah yes I I somebody will like the headline might lead you to believe that the study is about like how carbohydrates are good but really the studies about how you know don't want carbohydrates in your diet and they'll just jump to a conclusion based on the title yeah or or yeah you read read these these sort I you know I I first sort of looked at that well you know actually just reading the who um uh studies when I was 13 I probably one of the few people who who who was factchecking the who when they were 13 but you know they made they came out with this this outrageous claim that that um that Cuba had a Better Health Care system than America I'm like there's not a seen that y oh anyone who's Cuba that has a problem yeah they're out of that country they're Canada they're somewhere else it's trying to get right you know they can you know if if they're able to yeah or they just die yeah exactly and so you know I was looking at I'm like there's not a chance in hell that that's the case but there was a lot of stuff you know getting pushed out that Cuba was so great communism so awesome it's like how how how is that possible and this was this was 1993 and I was just like you know the Berlin Wall just fell like four years ago like and and we're already saying communism is better like what and um you know so I I ended up like finding the study from The Who and they and they ranked they ranked uh the Cuban Health Care system as one of the top five Health Care Systems in the world and they ranked the us as like 76 it was way down the list right and it was some Marxist that wrote the article well you know the head the head of the reportedly the head of the who at least now is is an open Marxist you know and um so I don't know if it was was then but you know there's there's a political bent to to these International institutions and certainly with The Who and like well and they're also getting paid off like whoever wants Marxism yeah and anyone with money wants Marxism by the way because it institutionalizes them yeah as the bank yeah nobody realizes that like like why do all these rich people want Marxism it must be good for everybody no they already made their money yeah yeah they want to be the Lending institution they know if they're the only ones with money and nobody else has money somebody has to come to them when they want to start anything start a business build a house whatever yeah yeah you're you're a billionaire worth maybe I don't 20 million minimum like you're GNA be the you're gonna be one of the new Banks yeah yeah and uh yeah and so uh this this article yeah it was saying it was saying we were way down the list like 76 which I was just like too far you know if you said that we were like 10th and Cuba was like fifth I'd be like um I don't know but you know I wouldn't have looked into it but it they just really over egregious yeah right and so I looked it up and like the study you know this is this is 30 years ago I looked at this but you know uh from memory it was something like they took they basically ranked countries by the actual you know medical care that they received and access to doctors and and uh Specialists and and outcomes from all these different things the things you actually you know consider worthwhile when considering a medical system system um and then said well that's not fair though because you know other some countries are richer than other countries and so you know you're working with what you have um so they adjusted for wealth Yeah by GDP so you know so so the US um talking about a worthless study absolutely so they they we're gonna tell you exactly how it is except we're going to adjust it yeah based on some other metric that you didn't ask about yeah exactly and and they don't tell you about it either you know who this is this is the first of three that I've seen that are exactly like this they put in they put in the these uh little qualifiers that just you know make it U complete [ __ ] and they um yeah so they they divided it by GDP so us actually had the number one uh medical outcomes and access to doctors and and you know treatments for heart disease and cancer and and diabetes and traumas and all these sorts of things and uh but we also had the number one GDP so our ratio was one to one and Cuba had a terrible Health Care System terrible medical uh outcomes but they also had GDP worse but yeah they had a a more worse GDP and so they had a positive ratio and so I mean that that's just I mean that's knowingly um I mean if you were raising money to like invest in Cuba and you use that that data yeah um you could be you could be sued uh for investment fraud yeah yeah good point yeah absolutely I'm very familiar uh with uh I got tangled up with some dudes who got in trouble for that long time ago and um like they like you know kind of first business sort of thing and uh yeah these guys were just defrauding People based on whatever you know information that was was dubious or completely falsified if you really looked into it yeah yeah um yeah who does a lot as well and I I found that if if you you see something on the who website and it and it has a link to the article right there and it just sort of shows its work you it could be pretty much uh you know it's probably their conclusions are probably in line with it right but when they when you have trouble finding that study yeah the reason you have trouble finding is because they don't want you to find it exactly and I've noticed that they did they did another one when I was in medical school where they ranked the us as 37th and you know a lot of things came out people saying oh well you know we spend the most per capita uh on Healthcare uh in America but we're only ranked 37 we're not even getting like you know you know our money's worth um and again I was just like I don't think so I think that's [ __ ] and so I looked at the study again it looked at had five criteria one of which was anything actually worth knowing about which was medical outcomes and access to doctors access to MRIs and x-rays and that was the only variable that matters let's dilute that by four other variables yeah and um one of the other other ones yeah and you know one of the others I all all the others were sort of along these lines but uh one the one I remember in particular said what percentage of the lower 20th percentiles medical bills do the upper 20th percentile pay for and and the answer to that of course is who gives a [ __ ] because what does that have to do with your mom dying of cancer or not you know and uh and so and of course you know the the the only relevant criteria which is actual medical outcomes and access to care we were again number one and but they diluted it down and they had these fudge factors to make it appear as if the US wasn't great and then then then another one came out a few years later ranked us 40th and I I just didn't waste my time reading because I knew it was garbage you know but um you know that's that's the thing is that you know all these studies you I I I try to you know stress on people have to read them yourself have to read the studies yourself don't just read the conclusions certainly just don't read the headlines you know when you're going through Reading um news reports or whatever there's always going to be a catchy headline but does the article actually support that headline that and that conclusion quite often it doesn't and uh it's really important to actually read the the article yeah I uh I just started a Tik Tok account and I think half of my posts have been just like dispelling myths yeah and you know one of them was like somebody posted or somebody published in the New England Journal it was a Chinese study that got published in the New England Journal so already I'm like yeah because that that never happened up until like Biden became president uh like because we know how their medical system works and we know how their academic system works and neither reconcile with how we do things yeah so don't really know how they pulled that off anyway so they published this article that determined that uh intermittent fasting didn't do anything and calorie restriction was the way to go now anyone who's really read into this and compared the two studies like that's just not true uh and uh there's a whole host of reasons but when you know anything about interent fasting like the real benefits start at 18 hours well they cut the fasting group at 16 hours and on top of that they were allowed to eat whatever they wanted yeah like go ahead eat just anything you know three chocolate cakes whatever so they really weren't dieting and they they only like it's like they just had an early dinner basically is is what is how they pull off this 16-hour fasting period which is not really it's like good like skipping breakfast like you're not a hero for that you're gonna you're gonna do intermittent fasting let's try 72 hours how about with no food or water yeah like that will get you incredible results like with the metabolic water that's leeched out of fat cells unbelievable the results you'll get out of that but let's do that study and coincidentally when that study is done and there was just one done uh uh with five days five days no food no water these people all lost 15 pounds of body fat this is after rehydration oh wow in five days they're averaging three pounds fat loss per day nice so right right so like I you know I I just pointed out this New England Journal study is not worth reading because when the benefits start at 18 and they only did one for 16 hours don't read it yeah it's dumb they didn't even need to do this study we already knew that didn't work yeah well also it's it's not really controlling for that either you know because you you're having these people eat different things you know if if you want to just control for the timing of it you know and that and having that makes difference have same calories same basic sort of input and that study has been done and it came out much more positive for intermittent fasting but yeah as soon as you have like one group eating whatever they wanted they didn't even control it it's like we don't know they had 2,000 calories or 4,000 yeah like yeah yeah yeah it's not yeah I yeah I agree that's that's a bit of a ridiculous study um as as far as fasting goes I've I've certainly seen a lot of studies that that show that fasting is very very beneficial um and then there's also studies that look at like fasting mimicking diets which is basically ketogenic diet you're just getting into that uh you know metabolic State U the so-called fasting metabolic State and you know we we spoke about this uh you know briefly off air uh but I I think we both sort of agree that um you know the SoCal fasting metabolic State you know uh probably is our primary metabolic State and we only call it yeah and we only call it a met a fasting State Because by the time we were able to look at you know our biochemistry at a molecular level everyone was eating carbohydrates and just said oh this is what it looks like when you eat and right you have to constantly eat carbohydrates yeah exactly and and so you know when you get out of that you know things work much better and then people get these these these large benefits uh from from maybe from fasting but I think a large part of that is going to be from just being in in the correct metabolic State um do you know of of studies that you know because most of the studies that I've seen are really just comparing fasting or fasting mimicking diet just to a standard American diet are there are there studies that actually look at the difference of uh like fasting as compared to like keto or a carnivore diet like who both will be in the same metabolic State not yet no like carnivore like we just had the first like that where they actually use the word carnivore yeah yeah and this is I mean I'm probably preaching some of the same stuff you've been talking about but like previous studies and there's one uh don't remember the author usually I'm pretty good at that uh I just don't remember the author of this one um it was an epidemiology study uh and they found a thousand PE like it was this is the one that said uh meat and coloral cancer like you increase your chances by 2% what you when you read down the method section you realize that these people ate nitrate meat not steak they ate like a gas station hot dog yeah you can't even buy nitrate meat in the grocery store anymore so I think it's only like prison food and maybe maybe what a gas station can get yeah because it keeps that's what nitrates are for it's preservative so people that ate nitrate meat every single day seven days a week for 40 years yeah had a 2% greater chance of colal cancer yeah okay now were these people who are eating a gas station hot dog every day were they doing it for their health yeah probably not if you know anyone who eats a gas station hot dog every day is there a higher chance that they may have some other unhealthy habits smoking drinking cocaine heroin meth yeah like I mean the only people that I've ever seen order a gas station hot dog were living behind the dumpster next to the gas station and they really liked meth yeah so I mean they didn't control for any of that yeah nothing so it was was another one of these fraudulent studies it one of these studies that was created to mislead you yeah yeah and I mean like like the the bias is just like outrageous like why on Earth would you like you know exactly what kind of people you're dealing with like this isn't a study this is a hit piece on the meat industry yeah and I tell I tell uh all my fans like why you you you'll notice like the funding from a lot of Pro carbohydrate studies comes from some like you know nutrition uh institution whatever sounds really academic and governmental yeah no it's [ __ ] these are all organizations that are owned by like Nabisco General Mills like they're just selling you the [ __ ] they make they're telling you Doritos are good for you because they want you to buy more Doritos yeah yeah that's it's just yeah but I mean we've had that kind of [ __ ] forever like yeah a let's see General Motors cars not that I have a problem with a uh company General Motors but you know like 300 awards from JD Power and Associates yeah you've heard that right yeah from like a Chevy whatever Chevy Cruz and they have awards for like best 30day satisfaction it's a brand new car if you're not happy in the first 30 days like yeah that's probably a pretty shitty car it's I mean they have to have an award for that it turns out JD Power is a company that you can just go and buy an award from oh really you pay them a fee and they'll just award you for whatever oh I should get a couple yeah pH pH yeah I mean I I want one that just says I'm [ __ ] handsome yeah most handsome guy in 2022 Dr J yeah man Town yeah right it just just like it's it's companies do this yeah and the food industry is no different the difference is it can hurt people right whereas General Motors says comes up with some weird metric to say their cars are great and uh you know if you check one out and you like it it's probably great car but uh not not because of the awards so so my point is Nabisco and Kelloggs and General Mills and Dannon all these companies that are buying research they're get to sell the products and they also know they want everybody to go vegan because they know vegans don't eat kale vegans eat cookies and cake that are just you know like Oreo cookies you know Oreo cookie sales are just through the roof it's because of vegans Yeah well yeah and that's the thing you know people don't don't know that V you know Oreo cookies are vegan it'll say on there you know like vegan friendly and it's like are are we trying to say that that Oreo cookies are are good for you you know like just the um I'm sorry there there's some weird alarm going on here let me just sort of mute this nonsense all right I think that's over try to clip that hey you know you're in Australia maybe somebody wasn't wearing their mask that could be yeah and they just have to get the the snipers out certainly yeah just got to go you know you're not going to conform you know you got to be oh my God they fooled me on that one hold on they keep doing this where it's like it it'll just go for a little bit and then it'll stop and then I'm just hopefully that's that's actually it but um sorry about that um happens yeah um so I guess oh what was I where was I going with that um I sort of forgot we were talking about research being funded by snack food companies and how it's just so fraudulent oh yeah the Oreos yeah yeah and then like you like those articles will come out every now and then that says oh you know drinking you know three glasses of wine a night is better for your heart than an hour of cardio like get lost like that just I remember that I remember that study right and from one tiny metric of metabolic health I think it was just like how how much alcohol raises your heart rate versus like a light Jog and by the way like I don't jog like that no yeah my heart rate goes way up if I'm moving yeah like so what the hell are they talking about anyway yeah I remember that article it was really popular in women's magazines like Elite Daily ran that [ __ ] like 10 times yeah yeah because that's what people want to hear people want to hear that they can still have cookies and cake and have the body they want you know any any it's like that's great until you ask anyone who's in shape and they're going to be like no that's super not the way it works yeah well all that food just don't even view it as food like when somebody says like you know you want a pizza I'm like oh it's not food yeah I won't eat that it's it's just not yeah I I I tot I totally agree and that's you know people say it's like you know you obviously I do you know carnivore sort of diet people say well isn't that's that's so restricted like I don't think so you know I'm I'm eating food I'm eating you know food that is designed for humans I I eat all the food that's designed for humans and I don't eat poison like that's I don't think that's restrictive you know I like are you restrictive by you know you don't shoot heroin or do crack well that's pretty restrictive you know here's here's how I answer that question I say like once you realize what should be consumed by the human body it's not restrictive at all yeah in fact you're eating the only thing that should be eaten by the human body yeah like everything else is just crap that you were marketed to yeah like it's just marketing like you don't want Doritos you don't want I don't know where Oreo cookies yeah Oreo cook yeah you don't like someone tried to hand me an Oreo vegan like I was at like a party like a year ago she hands me like a sleeve of Oreos and she's like I know you want these and she was kind of kidding you know like she's vegan I'm like seriously like I would if I found that in my car I would throw it away yeah absolutely like it's trash the fact you put that in your body you're just gonna fall apart yeah well it's true and you know people say that well you know even people that that want to you know do a vegan diet you know it's it's you know vegan means just without meat you know it's not even plant-based necessarily that's vegetarian you know vegan just means no animal products whatsoever you know so so you know and you know Oreo cookies are vegan they're also vegetarian you know crack cocaine that's that's vegan it's also vegetarian it's plant-based and and so is heroin so heroin yeah so it's like you know are we are we really saying that that you know that uh that rocks and and heroin are the way to go here you know just as long as it doesn't have animal products you know then then it's okay or or plant-based it's okay but of course there are so many things that that we recognize you know full well that that are CA serious harm and so I mean not I you're neither of us really give vegans a hard time we just promote meat as healthy food but when you plant a field what do you need to make to make the vegetables grow you need manure yeah from animals you need bone meal yeah ground up you know Bones from slaughtered cows yeah like those are the two things that they put in the soil before planting a field never mind the fact that they might have killed thousands or even hundreds of thousands of animals to build that field and they have to continue to kill and poison animals that are coming into that field because the animals it's still their habitat yeah it's not like they got a map and they're like you're not allowed here anymore yeah like they just go there Birds go and try and eat corn and they get poisoned by the millions seven billion animals in the United states are destroyed every year for the sake of vegetable farming oh wow I didn't know that yeah if you took poultry so if if you combine pork poultry and um uh beef if you combine those three things it's about equal it's an equal amount of death but 70% of the standard American diet is plant-based yeah so even though it's 5050 when it comes to killing animals um more of the calories are coming from plant-based so they kind of like ignore that like oh but if you take a chicken out of the equation and you just look at Beef and pork yeah like the amount of death that plants create is insane and like I think it was something like maybe like five million cattle per year would feed everyone yeah yeah 500 pounds of muscle meter in each one of them yeah I mean yeah that's a lot big cow you know if I had my own you know space land and I had bison running around on it I mean I'd eat like one and a half animals per year yeah maybe yeah I mean I mean depending on the size I mean those things are massive bastards and uh yeah of course you know chickens obviously are smaller so you need you need more of them to go k more of them yeah yeah and the and and the Very you know blaring difference between these two statistics is that the animals that we're killing to eat we are actually eating them more whereas the ones that we were just killing to get off our our crops they go to waste and so seon yeah yeah yeah that's why like a vegan doesn't know that and if they they're told it they just just they put it out of their mind you know like it's an achieved ignorance like I'm going to ignore all of these facts what did Joe Biden say like we don't we follow truth not facts oh know that's the president of United States said that oh well yeah truth not facts awesome truth come from Facts pretty pretty sure pretty sure you know I would said so but you know he got elected yeah so we're told yeah um 81 million people voted for him quite a lot yeah most ever yeah more than ever yeah and um so we were talking earlier about um you mentioned that you know people want to sort of do the same thing and and then get and get different results we sort of sort of touched on this before coming on air uh but but that's one of the things is that we we have uh you know people that you know you you've said that you You' received very very threatening messages when when you just say hey you know like if you want to lose weight and you want to get in better shape you know just cut down on the carbs or maybe just eliminate the carbs and people get very very upset by that and um and and you know the people that are I get death threats because of the carbs which is which is which is crazy I mean this is just you're just you're just a you know a Doctrine a scientist trying to put forward uh you know evidence to help people and and this somehow infuriates people when when you're like yeah by the way by telling people to eat less carbohydrates and more protein I make no money yeah yeah not my business model at all I'm just trying to help people out yeah like this is like like I make nothing yeah yeah people could just go and eat a Pizza Hut every day and you know use X3 and they get their protein minimum and there'd be a bunch of muscular fat people yeah yeah instead I try and tell them like well if you want to be leaner now there are some people who are like you know I've been leaning my whole life uh I have a different kind of metabolism I eat all kinds of [ __ ] and it doesn't seem to have much of an effect I mean I also noticed those are the same people who claim to have no appetite so it's like yeah they go and eat pizza but they're also never hungry so do they eat a lot of pizza obviously not um but you know if somebody tells me that it's like you know it's not my problem I'm like yeah if you get if you get your protein minimum one gram per pound of body weight um yeah yeah I guess if you don't just tend to be addict did to these things or if you take them out of your system and then put them back into you feel any inflammation some people say yes some people say no hey you know limiting carbohydrates doesn't necessarily mean eliminating them and I even do do have a protocol in the book that calls for some carbohydrates to stimulate hyperplasia so you uh get you know a surge of muscle glycogen going in the musculature after workout uh but even replacing the gly by the way replacing glycogen estimates up until recently were ridiculous like maybe for a large muscular person maybe 20 grams of glucose is required right not you know that's not even a Snickers bar guys yeah that's nothing that's how much muscle glycogen there is yeah and so people say like oh I'm flat I don't I don't feel full muscles it's like but you're obese so yeah how about you like let the muscles take the backseat for now or your perception of what your muscles are and we were talking about this last night um a lot of guys like they feel like they're losing muscular size like oh it's because because I'm losing all the glycogen out of my muscles no it's because you had intramuscular fat yeah which you're losing yeah which is good you know yeah you don't want that you don't want to be well marbled no when something eats you you want to be the toughest piece of meat they've ever come across yeah exactly also don't get eaten you know that's not really a thing today yeah well you know if you get um you know in in the wild also like if if you're just you know a bunch of lean muscle mass you know you're going to you're going to be harder to kill you know and you're going to be the one killing more more often if you're you know uh overweight and have a lot of intermuscular fat you're not going to be as as Dynamic and uh dangerous you know out in the wild it's just you know that that's sort of a survival thing as well and you know people forget that we we feed carbohydrates and Grains to cattle in order to fatten them up and put in intramuscular fat to get that marbling that we like as Predators for Taste but you know that is also in turn happening to us when we eat carbohydrates and Grains and that's what people don't understand and that's you know something we spoke about last night where um I think that you know as you know for me from my athletic background and and uh career I always felt far better now I did I you know I played you know highle rugby both on on Carnivore and also not on Carnivore just because I didn't I didn't know as much as I do now so I didn't I didn't really notice when things sort of shifted off so you know I know that you can get in remarkable shape uh by eating carbs and eating normal things I never really ate all the processed crap and sugar um but I was just I was almost entirely eating meat but I would have some a salad or some bread or whatever every now and then as well um but still you know mostly me based and and you know I was I was in very good shape and was very muscular and defined and uh and was able to perform very well but I always performed far better I was just like a just just a different human being when I was on Carnivore and um and you know when I talk to people about that you know like with the bodybuilding Community they really go into they just slamming in as many uh calories as they can as many carboh calories they keep talking about calories like yeah carbohydrates are not even a macronutrient like nothing in your body needs carbohydrates there's yeah I mean other than muscle glycogen which like I said that's like a drop in the bucket that's like nothing for carbohydrates other than that yeah which by the way uh your body will make if you don't have it probably not for hyperplasia purposes because you need a rush of that you need it like into the muscle so it stretches it's like an actual mechanical stretching process to stimulate hyperplasia but still like carbohydrates are exist in nature to get mammals fat yeah that's it and and for certain animal species putting on body fat very quickly is advantageous uh I mentioned this last night too Bears give themselves type two diabetes every year now type two diabetes is not a pathogen it's a system of the body I would say it's not a dysfunction it's a function that we make a dysfunction by our Behavior because what the bear does every year is they give themselves type two diabetes and then they put on fat very quickly which helps them survive the winter because they just dig a hole and lay there for three or four months you can't do that if you're lean but if you're real fat you can do that yeah yeah um yeah that's the thing like um you know with bodybuilding they want to just pack in all these calories and they think that equates to muscle growth I don't I don't think that there's any they just keep getting fat and they have to die and they're torturing themselves doing that screwing up their metabolism because they're also still doing caloric restriction yeah which my my biggest grip against caloric restriction it's like yeah it does it work for a period of time and then you have a metabolic adaptation so that you can be at a deficit and then you start putting on body fat again because your body is just deprioritized a couple things like regenerating skin regenerating uh digestive cells so you go through less autophagy and use older dysfunctional cells there's a question about cancer there too you know like people that never get into autophagy tend to be I mean this is a theory but it's a theory that makes an awful lot of sense uh so you're never renewing your cells when you're in this calorie negative but also not losing body fat metabolic adaptation and some people screw up their their metabolism Ms for a long time like there was a study not that long ago on the people who had been on the show The Biggest Loser six years ago yeah their metabolism still doesn't work oh great yeah six years yeah they've had a metabolic rate so that even when they eat it a deficit they're gaining body fat Jesus yeah so I mean like that that's all you really need to know like calorie deficit and and also the bodybuilding Community loves to simplify things into like memes like all of their advice is going to come from a meme like a sentence fragment like five words yeah and so they love calorie restriction calories in calories out that's all that matters Jesus that is like so oversimplified it's wrong yeah yeah so you that that was one thing I was talking to um Professor Ben bman from BYU about uh was that you know and he's been studying uh in insulin and it effects on on on humans for 15 plus years and and he was saying that you when your insulin is up your your metabolism just goes down and so when you're not eating carbohydrates your actual basil metabolic rate you actually use like you know 300 three to 400 more calories just running your system uh than you would otherwise and so you you know and so yeah even if you wanted to argue the the calories in calories out thing when you change your metabolic function you are you're going to be using different amounts of calories just just for your basic function and you know like you say you're going to you're going you're not going to start you recycling these cells that takes energy and you don't have the excess energy at the moment uh and that can certainly uh you keep these different genetic changes that could could precipitate to cancer as well I'm glad you mentioned that so when you have low energy your body doesn't recycle cells or it recycles less yeah there's always some you know metabolism of cells going on far less but if you eat zero calories can your body adjust to zero no it cannot this this is why I promote it inter fasting like your body won't adjust to zero so you can fast hard you know dry fast like no water no food 72 hours like three days you'll lose three pounds of body fat a day for most people I I'm a little bit less because I'm already pretty lean but um I'm actually tomorrow I'm coming off like well right now it has been 48 hours since I've had any food or water okay do I seem foggy do I seem confused no I feel [ __ ] great uh yeah it's it's but but here's the thing the body cannot adjust to zero okay so when you're fasted it has no choice it's going after body right and then um so so obviously this is something that you do how often do you fast how do you how do you sort of work that into your schedule what you what do you like well just to sort of I wanted to come up with a protocol that people would follow because you know hey the best diet in the world doesn't mean [ __ ] if nobody follows it yeah so like it's got to be like followable so I've been running some experiments with myself based on some of the things I was trying to do like one meal a day at a deficit so not a huge meal reasonable meal and then be fasted the rest of the time I think my body perceived that as just calorie restriction and I didn't really get as much benefit from the fasting because it was still on a 24-hour cycle so um I I hit a metabolic wall I had an adjustment so I was eating very little and seeing almost no fat loss progress and I even gained some body fat and I kind of did that to see what that protocol would be like that protocol worked for about six months and then for another three months I just got nothing and so I was in the middle of a lot of traveling and I didn't really have time to examine it and then when I went back to reexamine what what went wrong should I just quote refeed and just go back to normal carnivore and then try and do this because I got to help people lose a lot of body fat like that's just part of part of the customer base like there's going to be overweight people and got to help them they they may need the most help these are the people that walk into the gym and trainers don't want to talk to them don't even want them as clients because it's embarrassing standing next to an obese person I'm not not saying that that's my attitude my attitude is the opposite of that yeah but that's how they're treated in gyms yeah overweight people are not welcome in gyms in fact CEO of one of the largest gym chains in the world told me we have a policy to tell overweight people to go somewhere else because we want our place to be cool we want a nightclub with treadmills just good-look people that's absurd yeah yeah a dick yeah but that's the business and I mean this guy is not a bad guy the guy told me this yeah he's like We There to make money um heavy people are bad for business and I was just like what those are the people that need the help yeah the people who show up and they're already in great shape like they're probably doing 10 other things they don't need the gymm no but that's just the way the world is like you know every everybody with a business is trying to grow it now I'm fortunate you're fortunate because we got a business that the better we do the healthier people get yeah which I think is the that's that's like I wouldn't live a life with any other formula yeah right like when I come and I also I don't have a great like bedside manner I tell people like to shut the [ __ ] up and do what they're told because like there's a lot of research in this a lot of people ped over it and it's really important and it's going to fix you but I don't want your editorial I don't want you to be like well yeah but I need to have a pizza while I watch a football game you don't actually yeah no you don't yeah like you don't need to eat at all you're watching maybe you should pay more attention to game yeah you know whatever like I don't care what your excuse is it's an EXC use yeah and I'm not accepting yeah exactly like you have to be like that yeah hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many 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it's not giving his body the nutrition that it needs to to function and fight this thing off properly and you you're you're giving the cancer jet fuel you know I I definitely uh would not recommend that to people but you know unfortunately you know he you know as as an intelligent and um you know accomplished man as Steve Jobs was you know he's still caught into this you know like people like what what the hell do I eat what's and he and he was he looked at this overwhelmed bad information he had no idea how to make an informed decision because he had all he he had bad information you can't make a good decis bad information yeah and um you know that that's part of you know that's some of the things that you know Soul talks about when writing about intellectuals and and things like that they can be brilliant in their field and you know one of the most highly regarded experts in their field but then they go outside of their field and they still have that mentality of I'm I'm I'm I know everything and I'm so great at everything and then and then they look at a little bit of information and they go you know completely down the wrong path but they have that confidence because they're normally right and they're normally The Authority forgetting that how many decades it took them to become an authority in their field and if anyone else stepped into their field just you know shooting off at the hip they would shut them down be like you don't know what you're talking about and then they go into other fields and do the same thing and um and unfortunately they can get burned by that I'm not saying that you know Steve Jobs is going around you know saying that he's an expert or anything like that but you can you can end up looking at something and hearing something about a month about a month before he died he said I I don't know how to treat pancreatic cancer but I know what I did was the wrong thing okay okay yeah well yeah because he just kept every time he went to the hospital like oh it's getting worse and worse and worse yeah yeah well at least he you know had some insight into that and at least hopefully you know other people hear that and uh you know take that to heart yeah really it's really sad you know I I don't know who convinced him that that was the right thing to do um um I believe he was he was into it earlier in his life so when he got sick he might have gone back to it because he was sort of a kind of like in the sort of rebellious hippie movement um in his early 20s uh and then also very interested in technology and and working uh in Silicon Valley so that was kind of his his setup so yeah when he got sick perhaps he he fell back on that way of eating which is obviously disastrous for someone with cancer yeah poor yeah poor guy hopefully hope that's not something that that that um you know gets any more people but you know you do see you know in sort of the the vegan influencers and the fruitarians and things like that oh this is so good for cancer this so good for this and whatever people making these these really outrageous claims and uh and you just you have to imagine you know that this is that people are taking this up and and really hurting themselves and that's that's a a big concern of mine and and one of the you know one of the reasons I sort of got into this was because because you know people are really hurting themselves you know by eating the wrong thing it's not it's not a little thing you know it's not just like oh they're a bit overweight you they're very sick you know and they're getting they're getting illnesses that they shouldn't have to have how about how about the people that eat a primary carbohydrate diet and just White Knuckle every day with their hunger and they don't get fat so they think they're healthy just because they're not obese yeah but you're still a metabolic disaster yeah absolutely yeah and and like I tell people had had a fraternity brother say to me the other day uh gez I'm I'm diabetic and he's slim guy he says I don't get it and I said well you eat sugar well no no I don't I mean like at night I have like corn chips or you yeah yeah that's sugar yeah like just because it's not sweet doesn't mean it's the right thing to eat like is and I I I have been arguing for a while that carbohydrates don't fit the definition of a macronutrient you don't need them you don't yeah you don't well then they're not a macronutrient a macronutrient is something you need to survive you don't need it then it's not a macronutrient and hey did you guys see um my interview with Mano hanselman's no I don't think so yeah I watched that just recently that was bodybuilder talking about you don't need carbs to build muscle is that right right well he's a scientist he's been published all kinds of stuff he has a great book called The I think it's called the mindset of self-control um so he did a systematic analysis of I think it was 30 different studies on carbohydrates and performance and there's a couple of like sentences in there and he repeated them on on the on the the I don't really have a podcast I have a show which I do like I don't know I say whenever I can which I tell people is once a week which is really more like once a month or never um I don't have unlimited time so but when something important comes up it's like I gotta interview this guy and I got to get the video up so I did a falsehoods of Fitness that's what the show is called falsehoods of Fitness on car Hydra recommendations and like meno said you really if you're athletic you can absorb maybe 15 to 20 grams that's it and anything else is unnecessary and will probably be stored as body fat and like that makes sense to me um as a guy who has a tendency of being hypoglycemic so I've never liked sugary stuff anyway because of that like like I know when I started doing the hyperplasia protocol with the X3 so what that is is you want to precondition the muscles before the workout and during the workout so that the cells are more encouraged to split and become two cells so this is the closest thing we get to permanent muscle growth uh but you got to do a couple things you got to volumize the muscle you have to exhaust the muscle and then you have to stretch the muscle to the point where you're in a significant amount of discomfort not pain right before pain like as much discomfort as you could do before you're like okay this this [ __ ] really hurts so um I didn't write yeah yeah but I I mean it should be uncomfortable is what I said when you're when you're stretching and so what you do is you exercise and you take some some glucose before the workout and drink a lot of water during the workout so you're volumizing all the tissue so you want you want the tissue to be taking in the glucose and letting all the water in as well because you're better hydrated and then as your so this is if you ever remember maybe in the 90s people talking about Bag Theory like the casing around the muscle the fascia around the muscle is one of the limiters of growth if you can stretch that Muscle fascia out you'll allow for cell division I've heard some stuff about this when I started doing that I was having like 140 grams of carbohydrates because there was a few papers that just said you know you want to do you know like your half your body weight plus 50 or some [ __ ] like that I don't know uh and and I I don't remember it because it was stupid research and it was very irresponsible and like every day I felt horrible like you know my hands were like this like like this is way too much and so I just started cutting it down I'm like okay this recommendation is just wrong and uh and so when I revise the book I'll be using meno's uh systematic analysis because it's really showing a very low level of carbohydrates to trigger that effect and but here's the craziest thing of all the things that were in there and a lot of it was not a surprise to me because I find no performance benefit at all from higher carbohydrate day I mean I've run some experiments I think people think they have like three Snickers bars and they go to the gym and they think oh yeah I'm gonna just break all my records no you're gonna do awful you're gonna feel awful um it's not performance fuel at all so here's the crazy thing you say there is no dose response for carbohydrates and any performance increase with statistical significance nice none zero so you can have five grams you can have 25 grams you can have 50 grams all of them do exactly the same thing jack [ __ ] for your performance now when it comes to growth and hyperplasia that's a different story but at the same time why are we so interested in in a something that's formerly a macronutrient that that we're wondering what is it really there for what's it really in nature for and uh not performance Zero Performance benefits I know you guys are not shocked by this at all but generally the fitness community and even a lot of like athletes like I've talked to head coaches of football teams that always tell their like former coach of the Chicago bears would always yell at his players eat as much carbs as you can like that's your energy don't show up weak to show we yeah yeah just a while ago I mean I talked to this guy maybe I don't know 10 years ago and like I had a lot of research that I had read and on my hard drive and I'm like gotta really want to correct this guy but he's a head coach I can't say [ __ ] so you know just like h i mean carbo loading is a massive thing like you know I remember growing up playing sport you know be past T night before you play but you never do better I man I totally agree absolutely yeah it's it's it's a nothing thing it's just I think I think also there's a there's a tendency or desire in the fitness Community to over complicate things and for there to be some sort of hidden magic recipe like you were talking about with the I don't know glucose before you work out and go train and half your body weight plus 50 whatever ever like people love that kind of like counting and intricacy and there must be some secret or something magic that we can do to accelerate things and that's why I'm not getting great results it's like get healthy and train hard and train smart and do it every day and it'll work right but but also I mean they're getting told that you know training hard you know the the smart way to train it and the right way to eat is you know the wrong thing you you're eating that is the the traditional sort of taught knowledge that you know you need to carbo load you need to build up your glycogen base in your in your muscles in your liver but you know as an athlete I always felt better when I a skipped that nonsense but B just didn't even eat anything the night before or the day of again yeah always show fasted that's when you'll do better always always feel better you know I was thought of it as like playing hungry you know was just like well you know you know I'm you I want to be hungry you know if like I instinctually I can need to go hunt I need need to go kill I need to go back to Primal Roots you know if I'm hungry want blood flow going to your intestines when you're in the middle of game yeah exactly want to go into your quads traps to you know like you got to perform yeah like what is the first thing a race car driver does when he takes his Road car and puts it on the track shuts the AC off oh yeah why yeah doesn't want energy going into that he doesn't want that extra belt turn turning wasting power going into his AC yeah yeah it's a good point same thing yeah so how so back how did you get into a carnivore diet yourself like how how long have you been doing this and and what sort of brought you over to that because obviously I'm glad you asked a question I think I have the coolest story this because I mean hey every everyone came to it from somewhere but um so I developed X3 and I had always had I mean ketogenic nutrition like I read dyan's book and uh I forgot what that was called but Dy Shan's he only wrote one book and I'll think of the name probably in the middle of the night uh but uh I do that but he he wrote this book that was like the most impractical information for fitness you could ever imagine a lot of it had to do with illegal drugs uh or like you know like he was really big fan of the caffeine a ephedrin and aspirin combination which you know causes cardiac arrest and some so uh you know I mean like you read and he would say that in the book it's like well it does have a chance you increased chance of arrest and I'm just like that's like great idea I probably so I read this book right after high school and um Simon you you said it like like Pro I was probably at the age where I thought maybe this guy's got like the secret information yeah I think people do fall victim to that and so I read this guy's book and it was like one terrible idea after another last like it was all and it was all like hyper dosages of like crazy [ __ ] and like he says My Philosophy is use any drug you can get your hands on that'll increase performance like that's like thesis of this guy's book They're making a documentary about this guy right now actually Chris Bell's making it he's a friend of mine um great guy like it'll it'll be hilarious everything is really funny bigger stronger faster was so funny um so like the last chapter of the book was ketogenic nutrition and so I read that I'm like well that's not crazy at all I don't even have to break a law to do that I can just eat and so I had actually been ketogenic diet for a long time okay and uh but you know I still it was like ATT tested for ketones like you could get those strips you could pee on like years 20 years ago and so uh you know I looked at the ph and my urine and and um kept it pretty ketogenic but I I really other than that one chapter in that one book and I didn't have I didn't have the scientific answers already so I I really came at it through like a a very open-minded manner like I'm gonna recommend whatever nutrition because like I didn't have a nutrition program I launched the X3 and people were like what should we eat for the best results this is like week number one like I launched the product on the Dave aspbury podcast and then the next week people are a whole bunch of people went out and bought it and they're asking me what's the best nutrition program and I'm like well [ __ ] I better film something but before I film something I better think about what I should say because I really don't know so here's here's where I where I went like if you look at nutrition research you know or or talk to nutritionists if you talk to 10 nutritionists you'll get 12 different answers as to what you should be doing you know because a lot of the same guys will tell you contradictory stuff and it's like but wait that doesn't make sense and they're like yeah it doesn't make sense to me either but you know I say both of these things so uh yeah amazing confidence I have in you guys so uh I I I decided to just backstep and say like what are the greatest drivers of long life like in all all cause mortality studies is there anything that has been noticed of the people who live the longest now the Blue Zone thing is [ __ ] oh yeah yeah yeah you know what all blue zones have in common yeah no birth certificates oh yeah there there there's there's a study that says like all these blue zones like the only thing they have in common it's like there's no you know nutritional anything there's no secret root wait I'm not familiar what's what's the blue sign zone is where people live to be like well over a 100 years old like 12 yeah they're all lying because because says like the only thing that connects all these areas is they didn't have birth certificates a 100 years ago yeah so nobody knows when anybody was born yeah so we're just lying about it well yeah and and there's other problems with the Blue Zone studies as well that's something that people ask me as well but like it's the blueone study was was like it's five zones and they said well these people on average live longer than other areas and have more centenarians uh than other areas and and the conclusion was that this is because they have a very plant-based diet so plants eating plants oh yeah so what happened was somebody would say I turned 120 today I the agenda private aircraft from Craft Foods would land and and they'd have a dude with a briefcase of money I mean I know I don't I don't know this the exact scenario camera it's it's been pretty well shown that these guys ended up taking money from big food uh lobbies or companies and they would say like oh yeah I eat Triscuits every day and I'm you know 120 yeah yeah yeah like none of that's true they never seen a Triscuit before but they got a big check yeah so so that's that's really it's been a it's been a major point of vegan fraud um I okay yeah it's and it's it's it's more fraudulent than that too because uh you know if you look at like Okawa was one area but most of these areas except for like lominda um which is a Seventh Day Adventist uh group and they you know religiously don't eat uh meat and you know I I think we've all sort of spoken about the history of that and why that was it was more to suppress people's uh um you know lustful feelings that was a sin and so they wanted to you know they want to people that ate meat actually were more you know viral and they were more uh you know wanted to procreate more like oh that's bad we have to Tamp that down somehow that's healthy no that's not healthy that's that's the opposite of that and um but the other ones they actually you know like in okanawa they said oh they eat these yams they're really mostly plant-based but if you actually look they actually eat a lot of pork and they actually eat more uh meat on average than the average Japanese person you know so it's like so they you know they they their own results countered their conclusions and that and you see that you see that a lot of studies you know that's why I tell people read the study don't just read the conclusion because you know a lot of the time you know the the conclusion is not supported by their evidence or is completely contradicted by the evidence I've seen that I've seen that before as well and um you know with L Melinda they were saying that these people were living on average seven years longer uh than you know the rest of you know people in you know California and America and they're like oh this must be because they're vegetarian and um but if you look at Mormon populations in in the same area they have the exact same uh uh longer life expectancy if you have seven years uh on average and you know they they eat whatever they want to eat you know and so they don't have any religious uh religious constrictions on their diet uh well what's a commonality there too they don't smoke they don't drink you know they're not going around you know doing drugs and partying you know they're they're they're trying to live a you know a clean life and so you know that's obviously confounding Factor but they don't they don't consider those in fact they they paper over them in the Blue Zone studies so the Blue Zone studies like as you say just complete like crap and it's just you you cannot come to the conclusion that they did based on the information that they provided so back to Simon answering your question what I wanted to find was what are the greatest drivers of long life and like I said threw out the Blue Zone stuff because that was stupid and it was conflicting like I wanted not UNC conflicting stuff so there's only two things I found that are drivers of long life that are uncontested in research and number one was high levels of strength and muscularity like some said Mass some said strength uh and then the other one was low levels of body fat well if you want to be as strong and as lean as possible there's only one thing you should be eating and that's animal protein no I just so to me the nutrition story began and ended right there I didn't need to read a single nutrition study to understand exactly what we should be eating because I just took a step backwards to where like people aren't screwing with the data like craft Foods isn't funding different groups to uh fraudulently say that crackers and cookies are really good for you yeah us to get these from the cookie tree paleth take area yeah yeah well that's cool so how long have you been doing this now for um 95% strict carnivore for about four years nice and probably like maybe 85% carnivore before that for about 10 years yeah nice I have no complications I have no issues I'm not not low in any vitamin um not a deficiency nothing yeah yeah um and and John what does it look like for you like what what do you eat do you love eating steaks do you eat two meals a day how how does everything work for you um so I've I've experimented with the one meal a day thing two meals a day uh and then going extended fasting I'm a big fan like uh you like the fasting I've seen that yeah like you can drop body especially dry fasting like if you try dry fasting you'll never go back so no water literally no water no water no food for like multiple days so I've done 72 hours I've done that uh maybe eight times 72 hours no water that that takes some it takes some Focus yeah yeah and then like when you catch yourself daydreaming about a sip of water wow like how did I get [Laughter] here yeah but um there's great research there's a German study and a Greek study that people went five days no food no water no complications whatsoever they urinated the same amount every day I heard you say that in another podcast that's that's unbelievable how can that be possible like water they're taking the water out of their fat cells which is destroying their fat cells so you know like you can't have unless you're really morbidly obese person you can't lose a pound of body fat a day this is actually a commonly searched for thing can I lose a pound of body fat a day well there 3,000 well like cramming for an exam like right right um or you know somebody has uh you know a wedding they're getting ready for oh [ __ ] two weeks away and I've got 14 pounds to lose so I can just lose a pound a day right and so like can't do that with calorie restriction uh because there's 3,500 calories in a pound of body fat and most people are not big enough so they can have that much of a calorie deficit most people's basil metabolic rate plus activity is only 2500 okay so you can never get there however in the dry fasting studies two of them both of them went for five days they lost more than a kilo per day W so yeah like like two and a half pounds per day now even in in that stayed even after rehydration actually lost more yeah rehydration process your weight drops way down like I'll go three days and you know my body weights down 14 pounds but then you know maybe maybe uh nine of it or eight of it come back quickly but the rest of it body faat is just gone yeah how does how does that affect um musculature as well are you are you are you losing any muscle mass as well or or you know dehydrating the the muscles out no no and I've confirmed that with dexas scans yeah losing now dexas scans are ugly because you can take a dexas scan drink uh 32 ounces of water and it'll tell you you gained a pound of muscle so you got to keep that in mind so when you do your Baseline you have to be absolutely dehydrated right okay and then rehydrate then do your dry fast right and then again so yeah that's how you can really tell so John at at what point on a fast do you think you'd start to lose muscle or how do you s of say that working anthonyo if you're truly fasting I mean there's there's people out there that are doing fasting mimicking which is just [ __ ] they're just low calorie diet U yeah I see these like fasting bars and they're made out of like seeds and nuts fasting bars seriously yeah someone needs to be set on fire for that now they G me well it's not fasting if you're eating whatever this is which by the way like the ingredients are like chocolate caramel nuts seeds and talks about this a lot but it just makes it makes you more hungry of course yeah glucose you go back to glucose metabolism just go nuts like oh God I need to eat something so um true fasting keeps growth hormone really high Now growth hormone is not anabolic but it is an anti-catabolic so you don't if you're truly fasting you don't lose muscles if you try and get away with like just having half a sandwich or something then you're gonna lose musle because your body's trying to find a new homeostasis at that point it's like oh we're we're not able to get calories like we used to so we got to adjust for this much lower number so that's the cortisol response and so you get rid of muscle and preserve body fat which is why like like bodybuilders who diet for shows they are massively struggling against their own biochemistry their own hormones and uh you know they lose so much muscle before show like yeah these people are impressive when they show up at their show but they're way more impressive offseason and it's because the practice the practice of a bodybuilder dieting before show with rare exception is really not scientifically what you should be doing now I'm not a bodybuilder never claim to be don't really know much about it uh would never advise somebody who came to me and said hey can you help me prepare for bodybuilding show like there's so much stuff I don't know about that like pyramid of drugs that go along with that I have don't have a clue so I wouldn't um I wouldn't advise somebody on that but um the way they Dy it down like the massive calorie restriction tiny meals it's just misery and they're losing muscle and uh torture torture yeah that was what um you know Professor Ben bman from BYU said when when I spoke to him he said that you know as long as you're you you you're not like cic and and um you know emaciated and you're still producing ketones like you you actually can't lose muscle mass your body is is is you're getting that energy from the ketones that you're burning from your fat cells and until you run out of that you actually won't uh burn your your um your your musculature so that that makes sense from what you're saying you know and um and it's funny you there are these studies talking about fasting mimic diets and this has you know similar effects to fasting as well so now that's funny that they're now marketing this as a fasting mimicking bars and things like that you know that's just um and it's a bit it's a bit absurd I mean all all all fast mimicking diet is is keto diet you know you're just you're supposed to be Li and in low calorie yeah yeah so it's like you know and so a fasting mimicking bar with with sugar and and chocolate and St like that I'm sure that's not even doing that well it screws up ketosis like once I mean These Bars aren't like 20 calories yeah there's a study out there somewhere that like in a very obscure way mentions that if you have less than 50 calories that it actually won't break your fast which from a homeostasis perspective it makes sense it's not like the body's going to be like well we got 50 calories so so that's just what we're getting today that's normal like no it won't do that uh so like there there is some overarching logic that your body applies yeah yeah so I was gonna say too um so hopping on to the to the X3 bar um I've been using this for a couple weeks now and I've just decided because I was I was you know I bought it last year and um I was pretty sick of like the know gyms getting shut down and all the different sorts of whatever I'm like and I actually was looking at this when when the gyms first shut down I was like I need something in my house like normally when I was in Seattle I had a I had a gym set up in my house and then I was in Perth and it was like a year later and uh and everything was shut down I was just I was pissed I was livid because I had like everything set up exactly way I wanted it there I had no access and and so I actually looked into it at that time and um but uh ended up you know just sort of trying it out last year um but just sort of just infrequently has it wasn't something that I always that I always did I certainly saw that you know it was a it was a difficult workout you could actually really push yourself and I really like that hardest work out of your life it is and it's that's what Dr Baker started saying it's like I've never had a hard I mean the guy the guy holds like world records in the deadlift and he says the my system is the hardest workout he's ever had and I was like dude really I don't know if that's helping me out salesman through the roof after he said that yeah a lot of people see a bar in bands and they're like oh that's weak you know I I'm stronger than that but then Dr Baker's telling them oh no my deadlift on X3 is 750 pounds yeah and they're like that thing holds 750 pounds in it yeah and I can put it in the backpack when I'm done yeah okay so apparently I was confused yeah so uh yeah so they get it because of you know what what he said and so uh yeah it was certainly not the way I thought I should ever describe it but now I describe it like that yeah it is the hardest workout you'll ever do it allows you to train much further than weights can yeah because you're just going to a deeper level of fatigue like like the diminishing range so like when I'm doing a chess press movement like this this is my first repetition I'm holding 550 lbs so it's 550 lbs here about 300 here about 100 here so I'm going through this range of motion and it's super taxing at the top as soon as I can't get here well now I'm doing shorter repetitions until I can't do that anymore and then my last couple repetitions are just right here in the bottom so it fully exhausts every muscle fiber you have which is something you can never ever do with a weight yeah and I I certainly noticed that and and pushing yourself to to that extent uh you get a you get a very very deep deep burn and uh it's hard though you know because you you have to have some like mental fortitude to be because it hurts you know so you're going and you're doing this and and you get to the point and that a lot of people do and they're like oh well that that's starting to hurt and like oh I think it's that's good enough and and you know the good enough guys and then like no no no I'm going to go until you know I'm I'm bleeding out of my eyes guys you know those are that's the really the difference and and so I've noticed that uh with this I'm am able to do that and I think it's is good you know I use it infrequently before just because you know I wasn't in the habit of using it and I just said you know what screw it I'm just going to do it just 30 days every single day I'm just going to do it you know uh come what may and and I started you know videoing this and putting it up and I um haven't been as consistent putting them up but I I'm still videoing so they they they'll be out but it it was it was actually really good that I did that because it it made me like not not uh you know be a little [ __ ] and so we're all waiting for the update yeah was it so going I'm doing this thing I'm whatever I'm like a it's really like that's killing me and I'm like I'm on camera and you see me sometimes look at the camera I'm like [ __ ] that's there like all right just like keep going I notic that like when I do that and I really go to the point where I'm just kind of just eing out just like you know half an inch sort of things at the end it it is is absolutely you know you know uh great workout i' I really noticed that and so um you know one question I did have though U obviously you know you feel burnt out on the one set but you know you is is there an advantage to like maybe later in the day coming back or like giving a rest and like trying to do further sets or or is that not really advantageous no you really want to stimulate and then let protein synthesis happen it's like you know like uh you got a lot of sun in Australia how many sets do you need to do in the sunlight to get a tan yeah one one go out once and then that's it and in fact if you go out multiple times you get blisters yeah that's right yeah you you need to heal first before you go out and give it another crack right and the same thing happens to muscle like okay you've seen micro Tears In muscle and falsely we thought that that had something to do with growth muscle damage is inversely related to growth so you want the muscle to be fatigued but not damaged and it is the multiple sets and also the loading in the weaker range of motion that causes that damage and also they notice that marathon runners had more damaged quadriceps and people who would compete at the squat and they like well then how come they're not bigger well because damage has nothing to do with growth inversely related the more damage you have the less you grow okay so it taxs it to the maximum extent and then leave it alone 24 hours like all out one set with the diminishing range and the constant tension and then when you're done just you're done you you got 48 hours before you hit that that body part again and protein synthesis is usually concluded within 36 hours okay okay you just want to make sure that all the growth happens and then you stimulate again so is that so would you would you recommend taking that 36 hour break or oh so so yeah so you want it you want to Gap like 48 hours so like yeah waiting 48 Hours fits a lot better on a calendar than waiting 36 hours because you don't want to have to get in the middle of the night to do like chest presses yeah uh yeah so don't don't try and time it for 36 also 36 was the average so some people may be a little longer some people may be a little shorter so you know wait 48 hours and then you can have three growth periods per week yeah because you got to think about you stimulate and then you're going to grow more than you will from a regular weightlifting day but you get three of those growth periods every week because you're splitting the body two ways and you have six workouts yeah yeah yeah yeah like that's um yeah I'm certainly interested you know I I tried taking like my weights before and I really should have you know like you know measured you know chest and everything like that but more mostly I I think it's just how I feel and uh you know my my repetitions are like steadily going up um you know even you know on Alternate days I'm I'm you know I'm I'm I'm getting better I'm feeling better also noticed that um you know something that I I've seen you talk about before obviously there's no sort of ab component to it but you know AB you know cores are stabilization muscles this you need those stabilization muscles you get your core yeah yeah and like so you know I've definitely noticed that as well that like it's um it's something that um you really have to have a lot of control and and so you know that that comes a lot of the the stabilization muscles and your core and and and elsewhere that force you to to keep this under control because it's it's trying to it's trying to move on you and you know and so you have you have to be able to control the weight and the tension and in weird angles that your your body is not necessarily used to and you have to and you have to learn that and incorporate that should be but yeah for some people well I think um also the last 20 years have given us a lot of machine training yeah which means we lack the stabilization firing to keep like a weight balanced over our heads yeah you know like we need to build that back yeah yeah people who are like well this never happens on my machine presses yeah also those are like trying to get a tan with candles like you're not doing it it's not giving you what you think it's giving you yeah yeah yeah definitely um and you have a I have a short bar just a normal bar as well is that is there an ad the one sorry that's the better one this is the better one the short one's better well it's the standard like it's not well here it is yeah you know it's 20 inches wide um The Wider so people like The Wider bar because they do a wide grip like chest press but that's like the people who do a sumo squat they're basically just cheating while screwing up their hip joint uh Sumo Squad really screws up your hip joint I think uh hip joint surgeries in the United Kingdom are up 700% because of what they call the cross fit squat which is really just a sumo squat say Sumo deadlift same same um yeah so a wide grip you have a shorter distance you know if I grab out here I'm I only have to go know maybe a foot off my chest to complete the repetition which seems like it's easier but it's so incorrect for joints yeah and I mean hey if you're in a competition and the competition allows things that are damaging to the body so that you can break the record or whatever which makes me sort of question some of the rules in powerlifting uh but it allows for that so um you know that's that's that sport so okay that doesn't mean it's what we should be doing so yeah the people who want to take a wide grip I say you know the wide grip is for your ego it is not it is not it's it's going to stimulate less growth okay you know now so many people wanted a Long Bar and hey there there were there were guys in there's a lot of guys in the NBA that use X3 and they were just screaming for the Long Bar I kind of get it with them uh what's a wide grip to me would not be a wide grip for um Andre Drummond who plays for the Pistons who is almost sevenet tall yeah wow oh it's huge like so yeah it's like that bar I just showed you looks really tiny on him yeah so yeah I mean but but he doesn't even grab out to the ends of the that bar he kind of grabs it you know more like in the middle yeah so is is there is there a proper hand placement so when I'm when I'm doing these things I find that my hands are actually inside my shoulders um is that okay or do you want it like a little wider out as well like that's what I was you know like for the chest press I'm always grabbing on the you know kind of on the outside of the nurlink like right here which is about matches my my shoulders okay that's the most efficient place okay also remember I mean to get the most involvement in in the pectoral like you want the humorous bone to come as close to the midline as possible yeah well if you're out here that's the opposite of that you have less pectoral involved so a wide grip chest press is pretty much all tricep and way yeah so the closer your hands come together the more squeeze you're actually getting into the pectorals you're activating more of the pectorals okay yeah all right and then I I'll never be photographed using the Long Bar people like oh well show us how to use it and I'm like you make a video because it was one of those things where like people wanted it so bad and I told him no you don't want this and insisted like no no we do you want to listen to your customers but you also want them to succeed yeah and so it's like a balance so I came out with a Long Bar and there's some giant people who love it there's some ego lifters who love it and you know I'll just have to pray for them later but then there's other people who are like God damn it you were right this thing is just not as good as the original it's great and of course you can get the longer bar and still grab it in the middle not like not allowed to do that so uh you know but people were like yeah I got it and like you were right the original was better okay yeah very cool all right so when people are starting out with with the X3 bar or they're trying this out what are some are there any sort of beginner tips or thing or pitfalls or anything like that that people generally run in run up against that uh can be helpful to sort of uh yeah I tell people watch the videos we send you watch the instructional videos it's a very simple and elegant product but don't just pull it out of the box and see what you can figure out on your own typical men I can imagine uh to read the instructions yeah who would do that I would never do that yeah yeah unfortunately it's true of just so you gotta actually watch the videos yeah you gota watch yeah to get the best out of it there's some people who just pulled it out of the box and looked at there there's like a card that shows you the pictures of like you know the up and down position of a squat and stuff like that and they'll try and figure it out from there and they'll you know maybe get 85% proficient but they'll Miss some stuff that's mentioned in the video so I tell people like really watch those videos like and you don't need to watch them all the time because you commit them to Memory it's like probably collectively like 20 minutes of video for like the whole thing like everything you need to know about your exercise will be giving you in 20 minutes so take the 20 minutes don't guess yeah nice yeah yeah I like it um all right Anthony have you got any more questions or or you w know I think that's yeah I think that's that's covered all of it yeah Anthony thanks for getting up this early in the morning yeah yeah that is good of Anthony 6 am in birth he does it regular I think our last one either it was super late in my day or super early in my day I don't remember which I think it was the other way around yeah I think I think maybe yeah maybe it was it sort of yeah it was a little later for you in the day but it was like way late for me yeah yeah hey Australia and United States do not have accommodating time no yeah well I'm glad we I'm glad we're will figure it out though like yeah I I don't mind getting up a bit early and that's not it's not a big deal I'm up uh Stupid early normally anyway so it's uh it's it's good for me because I you know get this done before I go into work and um and uh and then I'm I'm able you know not the the other side of it is like especially like West Coast time it's like it's like midnight before you know anybody's uh really able to to hop on um you know for me because like you know midnight is like 9:00 am. on the west coast so midnight for me and 9:00 am on the on the west coast so it's uh probably a bit easier for me to get up a bit earlier uh so John John where are you based in the states in California okay cool yeah it's a place where we it's beautiful but we pay too much in taxes for uh from what I've heard yeah my God fall apart yeah we have a expensive place to live yeah and unfortunately California voters don't seem to be getting any smarter because they voting for the same people who are ruining the state and then they complain that the state is being ruined yeah it's yeah it's um it's a bit confusing you know that you know that they um uh you you you vote for policies that that don't really help and then you complain about the effects of that policy and then you keep voting for that policy the same people who are writing stupid legislation right or then go to other states you know that don't have those problems orans move to other states and then screw those other states up by ruin their and then they're like oh what happened so so now now are you doing intermittent fasting or are you you're doing a 75 72 hour fast at the moment um yeah so my my newer so I was what I'm doing is I'm building sort of levels like when you first like this is meant for just the average person like average person doesn't know anything about dieting maybe they've tried all the diets maybe they haven't tried in or you know they they have a South Beach Diet that book that they found at a garage sale for a penny uh which would be overpriced um but you know they they buy the book and they read it and you know they're like okay so you know I need high fat and high carbohydrates and then I'll lose all the weight I want so whoa pizza's good for me you know like that kind of right um you know like like they've had nothing but failure which it's really easy to find people people who have had nothing but failure when it comes to their nutrition so I want to have you know different steps like you can't rearrange their life overnight unless they've like just coming off a heart attack or something like that those people are great listeners yeah uh yeah phenomenal but they have to have that moment which sucks I'd rather catch people beforehand so to catch people beforehand what I'm trying to do is just come up with like different recommendations where the first one it's just cut out all process foods just just anything with a package like unless it's it grew on a tree or you know it would run away if you stabbed it in the ass yeah those are the only two things you should be eaten yeah anything else it's not food and so people are like okay like I can still eat like apples because I like apples sure still have that stuff way better than the stuff in the packages so that's level one and then you know level two you might do some one meal a day kind of things and then the problem with fasting is that for it to really be effective you got to go all the way okay and you know when you do multi- days and especially dry okay like because because when you're dry fasted you're pulling metabolic water out of out of fat cells fat cells are only 10% water so what happens when you start to dry fast is you know you feel like thirsty and hungry and a little weak and then all of a sudden and you'll know the moment all of a sudden when that first fat cell bursts burs and you've got all that you know like like I mean you would just see your uh you know your triglycerides would be low everything would be low and you'd see your LDL go way the [ __ ] up by the way the highest ldls recorded are from people who are fasted so that's like like saying LDL is bad is like saying losing body fat is bad for you yeah we know the opposite to be true so it's just like I like I wish I had been around 20 years ago when ldls were vilified it's just like um but that's how we lose body fat pretty sure it's not the culprate yeah yeah so so anyway yeah I mean your LDL Skyrocket and you get energy and focus because it's faster than just Ketone bodies like you're actually destroying fat cells which by the way caloric restriction can never do it just shrinks fat cells and then expands them when you start eating again you're actually destroying them in dry fasting yeah is that is that only dry fast or is that can you do that with wet fasting it have to be sort of a state of sort of mild dehydration to go along with it as far as we know yeah because it's your body's so I haven't had any liquid and I'll I'll I'll send you the study after there's two studies it's they're great where people went five days no food no water and I even if you're not a scientific person I encourage you to read these studies and try and understand them because it's kind of hilarious that you know it goes so far against what we've been told you know you need eight glasses of water a day you know where that came from Gatorade that's yeah Gatorade came up with that and of course the bottle water companies just jumped on that horse and rode it right into the ground like yeah you need eight glasses of water a day yeah no study ever found that in fact the only thing that's ever been studied about hydration was in 1943 that's how interested the medical community is in hydration yeah though they probably should consult with some anesthesiologists because they they have some strong feelings on this you do not want to do anesthesiology on a dehydrated person however the dehydration is quick because what happens is you get dehydrated and then you start tapping metabolic water you're not dehydrated anymore right so in this study the people that were on the fifth day of no food no water they were urinating the same amount of urine okay and day one where did the water come yeah yeah yeah how is your body still so even though you are quote a little dehydrated but you're not like you know if you do this you know sometimes you just like you know reach the scratch back your head and your bicep just knots right up you know like when you're that doesn't happen yeah never happens so you're hydrated enough where you don't get in cramping or anything like that no headaches um and you're fine you still produce the same amount of urine and of course like you know at some point you're like a couple days in you're like where is it coming from it's it's coming from the metabolic water oh it's interesting yeah like um awesome yeah you know it's funny like I I've never tried dry fasting it be it would be interesting to sort of check it out i' I've noticed in patients that just uh just fasting in general um you know could could you know might might accelerate things a bit if if they're really looking for you know rapid weight loss but uh it one of the nice things about carnivore diet is that is you don't have to you don't you know I think that your body can can sort of regulate this as well and and sort of and you you will automatically go into you can call it a caloric deficit if you want to but your your body is just telling you you don't need as much food if you just eating uh you know carnivore and when you eat carnivore you actually feel full yeah you know you eat like a a steak and you know when when and I did do O A little over a year 100% carnivore like I didn't have anything like I wouldn't even chew sugar free gum actually I'd never chew sugar free gum it's got chemical [ __ ] storm but I mean it just like zero wi went in me except for uh animal protein and water yeah and I felt Dynamite I did get a little bit of push back when I told people they should really do exactly what I'm doing and man there was some people that were like I just can't and you know I tell them I tell them things like if you use the word can't you know you need to look in the mirror yeah do you really want to be one of those can't people yeah put it back on them like you know saying like hey you want to wear the shirt this is [ __ ] loser no you don't so don't be a [ __ ] loser and just try it because if you try it it's really not that tough yeah was um you know I feel same way about fasting but I think part of you know like how about this like Physicians have trouble with compliance when they just prescribe a pill yeah people forget or they're lazy or they lose their bottle or they get a confused their pets medication so they just gota [ __ ] throw all the pills away yeah uh so osteoporosis was what what got me in the Life Sciences right MH half of the reasons British government was helpful when like they they uh it was it was hosted uh clinical trials that happened at the University of East London in the statford village surgery why why was the NHS the government the British government so I mean they went way out of their way to be helpful to me and I was like man this is a huge bureaucracy like what why would they be so helpful and finally I met up with one of the top researchers in the country on osteoporosis and he said our biggest problem is compliance people go and use your medical device but they won't remember to take a pill right we we we don't know what to do like at this point bis phosphinate drugs are you know the patents have all run out so there's you know they're cheap yeah won't take them they don't and they they also feel awful after they take them so they put it off and that's that's how it like starts you because there's a lot of side effects of those but they come and use the osteogenic loading equipment no problem love it they feel great they feel energized after they do it which I'm sure is no surprise to you yeah uh but it's a surprise to them because most of these people have never exercised a day in their life and they also have metabolic dysfunction and you know they come and they actually do a real exercise intervention um it's more just like bone compression I mean the movement is like from here to here like millimeters of movement of the body but tremendous forces thousands of pounds loaded through the body and you know all in an effort of bone compression to stimulate the bone matrix to pull in minerals to recalcify make the bone more powerful um yeah that's that like people love doing it and that's why they were so accommodating like we just like people want to do your thing they don't want to do our thing right and that's why they're helpful yeah yeah kind of cool because you know you kind of Wonder like is there a big conspiracy or the Pharma company's gonna you know pay the institutions to bury my technology hell no yeah like the medical community actually does want to help people oh that's good yeah and it's you have to sort of wonder if there's a large government bureaucracy that's actually helping you like am I on the wrong side of this you know like I I would say like I mean in in our more recent times I would say our governments are not on our side when it comes to health uh you know they're doing favors for their donors and and whatever else like you know we probably can't get into the Weeds on that one but um you know there's a lot of complications revolving around some medications that we're we're just not even allowed to discuss yeah well you're not allowed to discuss it there's something being hidden from you yeah well that's it yeah if if if you have to if you have to shut down the conversation obviously uh you're there's massive deception going on yeah exactly yeah you can't even discuss it you know um there was um there was uh Ivor Gyver who's a Nobel Prize winner for um his work superc conductors and he he actually gave up his um his seat on the American physical society and uh because they were saying they they came out they came out very dogmatically about something he said this is settle science there we will Broach no discussion on this he just said um and it's not this way it's a previous uh no touch issue and um and he and he said that like staten's 20 years ago well like stattin but more to do with the environment and climate change and things like that they basically said the physical Society said you this is settled science and that you know anthropogenic uh climate change is is what it said it is and there's there's no there's no Nuance there's no discussion at all that to be had this is it that's not science no exactly and and so science is questioning everything exactly at all times yeah and uh and so he just he he just gave up his seat on the physical society and he said that you know this is this is a society that still to this day argues over the weight of a proton and yet you're not allowed to even discuss this other thing you know that's ridiculous you know if if you can argue on the weight of a proton be like no that's [ __ ] you know then you know then you can argue about anything you know so you ever been to one of their parties the physical Society no yeah yeah no I haven't not personally yeah me neither sounds like a terrible yeah weight of Aon let me get my notepad yeah yeah yeah yeah I bet the I bet the bartenders at their parties are like oh man I've got the worst headache from hearing these people um yeah probably um so so you you were doing a carnivore diet for a while um and obviously you know when you're when you're working with people you're trying to just just find a good uh fit for them um but what something to be compliant on it's just compliance yeah yeah exactly and I I do know there are people that will go 100% carnivore and I will I mean like when I redo all my nutrition recommendations that's going to be an option uh that I'm going to promote heavily but you know I'd say 10% of the people are willing to even listen to that and then you know the other 90% it it's it's sad because they're really it's it's really their self-doubt it's not like they think it's not safe or something like that they might say that but there's a lot of Doubt like they like eating and they're like God going days without eating how would I do that yeah well when you're not carbohydrate addicted you don't think about eating you say you say you talk about fasing the average carnivore and they're like yeah I could probably go a couple days with no food yeah cool I'll try that yeah like when you try it no sweat but when somebody who eats a lot of carbohydrates tries it a [ __ ] misery yeah absolute misery especially like the first 12 hours yeah well that was the thing too you know it's like you know you were saying that like one of the most heavily you know heavily searched for phrases is you know how to lose weight without changing my diet like how the hell do you think you're going to do that you know yeah anyone who would search for that is crazy like your diet is why you're fat like if you're you're weight that's why it's what you've been putting in your mouth yeah and to think that there's some way where you C you wouldn't change that is insane well it's like it's like you know it's like looking up you know how to uh you know beat cocaine addiction without stopping cocaine use there and and so you know turns out sugar is more addictive than cocaine there's a great study on that yeah yeah I I saw um one Dr lustig from UCSF uh put out where looking at MRIs and um you know you hit it a dopamine uh hit surge to the addiction sent your brain and um there's a study using MRIs and you would give like you know amphetamine dose uh to people and they had control groups so you know like you or I wouldn't wouldn't consume any of these sorts of things uh you know those areas uh would just would light up and then someone who was addicted to methamphetamines who had killed off a lot of these parts of the brain had the sort of barely twinkle in the same areas but then people who were metabolically unwell who were sugar addicted they had the same barely twinkle so it it it was addictive in the same way as uh you know cocaine heroin or methamphetamines and it killed the same areas of the brain as methamphetamines to the same extent as methamphetamines which is you know absolutely terrifying you know people it's you know there was um like a medical director in in Amsterdam of all places and he said that that sugar was the worst drug on Earth you know this is this is the red light district who probably know a few things about about drugs and uh you know he's saying this is worthless drug on Earth I would I would probably agree with that you know just the fact that uh it's in everything and we don't realize it's as bad as it is yeah yeah the um and there was a you mentioned there was another study looking at uh fructose and and um cocaine things like that was that u a different study we may be referencing the same thing uh I listen so I I lived in the People's Republic of San Francisco for 10 years yeah and um yeah I got to see I got to see Ley a couple times nice yeah he's yeah yeah the guy's just like a treasure to society I don't think he'll I don't think he'll be appreciated I I feel like uh maybe in 20 years veganism will be in the same category as anorexia and bulimia it's just you know instead of like anorexics and bimix they think they're healthy too right like I just I like to point that out to people so when they're like oh that's outrageous you would say that talk to a Bic they think they're the healthiest people and you know like just because their problem is their view of themselves in the mirror whereas I think vegan's problem is they surround themselves with other people who fit into their sub culture which just becomes uh kind of an information Echo chamber you know when when uh subject probably of a book I'll write years from now uh on subcultures like people really you notice how like uh you see like a teenager and all of a sudden they become like emo yeah you know so they like they dress like their depressed friends they get all get the same hair CS say all use the same [ __ ] I don't know just everything they're up each other's asses they're and they're just like clones of each other people really like being part of a subculture you know and when you see these uh you know overweight purple hair ladies at the grocery store who are like bitching about everything you know I need to see a manager sort of thing and you know like I don't I don't think that guy should be allowed to park in the parking lot that has a trump sticker on the back of his car you know like okay lady you know like that like it's a subculture they fall into it and they do every little thing the same and uh it it makes me think that there's some desire for a majority of the population I think it's the lower intelligence part of the population uh to save them from having to think about things they join a subculture then they don't have anything to think about at all they just do um you know like when you join a biker gang pretty much the only t-shirt you're gonna own is gonna say Harley-Davidson on it yeah right or your gang name yeah yeah like so you don't you don't have to worry about shirts anymore you don't have to worry about what what your transportation is because there's always gonna be some bike you know like like they do that so they can just go [ __ ] everything else I'm just is following these guys and whatever collective decision we make you know whether it's to do you know be vegan or eat meat or all get the vaccine or what you know it's like we're all gonna be the same yeah no thinking and and and now with social media it's almost like that's that Echo chamber is Amplified because social media doesn't have us connect with people with differing opinions typically it next us with people that have the same M so like I have conservative friends that are like I don't see all this like Twitter outrage over like just today like I don't see it like nobody seems angry about this and I'm like you don't have a single liberal friend right yeah I mean like you designed it so that you don't know what's going on yeah yeah yeah it's just like I know who this guy's you know Facebook friends are and Instagram friends are and they're all his you know NRA buddies so okay well you do you like you have no idea what people are saying Yeah Yeah Yeah you sort of sit in your own own bubble and and you don't get outside of that there was um there was a there was a uh a story about that there was like someone from you know his New York Society like New York Times sort of things and you know there was some some election at some point and the other other people that they were uh going against were um you know personally were were rooting against end up winning and end up winning like mass or maybe it was like Reagan or something like that you know had this this Landslide you know 48 states and they just say how could he possibly won I don't know anyone who voted for him it's like uhuh yeah I'm sure you don't yeah and um but that that shows just how isolated people can become and and that you know that was that was before social media as well course social media it's worse now yeah way worse now yeah um yeah that's interesting um I was going to say so so what do you do now oh sorry go on well I I actually had a question for you yeah um and and you know like different guys who promote carnivore just have different answers to this question but is there ever a point where you get to where you think carnivore has just like you need a break from it like because I hear that like people say oh keto only works for a certain period of time I'll say well I don't know about that I haven't seen that study but I know calorie restriction only works for a certain period of time because you have a metabolic adaptation ketosis is a system of body yeah and like I've never heard about it failing over a period of time for any particular reason and I haven't been able to find the research I just get the question a lot and I think it's just some vegan [ __ ] that somebody made up yeah this this ever happen to you like I I went I was 100% Carnival for a whole year never I mean I was the leanest I've ever been I was I'm stronger now but you know I was strong strong stronger than I had ever been yeah yeah yeah up to that point so I'm just curious like like you find any anything with that no know for me no I mean i' I've you know I've been doing this solidly for five years I was doing it solidly for five years in you know early 20s and I I've just never ever felt better in my entire life I've never had an issue with that um you know I think um you know uh seeing something that you know Professor um Mar K you know he was talking about sort of this this evolution of uh you know different sort of carnivore you know gurus or influencers or whatever doctors uh who are now saying that oh actually you can't survive without carbohydrates you have to take intake carbohydrates which you know we know from from biochemistry background and they shouldn't really know because they've taken biochemistry uh you don't need that you know you you will make all the carbohydrates and uh and so forth that you need um but they were having problems after about a year and they were having hormonal issues electrolyte issues and whatever uh and they decided because they looked at you know small sort of mechanistic study saying oh look at there there's this little you know pathway and response in your kidneys and this has something to do with your microtubules and and resorbing electrolytes and that's what it is I I don't have enough carbohydrates well you know first of all you have carbohydrates your blood sugar is where it's supposed to be and you have glycogen and so if you needed carbohydrates to do you know to to to make this function properly it's already there um and uh but they were saying that must be it and so they started incorporating uh you know sugar actually yeah just drinking orange juice and eating eating honey and fruit and that was that was something that they uh thought was was good for them forgetting to realize that there are people like myself like Dr Baker like countless other people who have not only been doing this for several years but several decades and then entire populations who have been doing this generationally and they they have never in their life consumed carbohydrates some of these people and that's and that's something that's well recognized by by various uh uh scientific and and uh medical um institutions saying that the the the requirement of carbohydrates a lifelong requirement for carbohyd rates is zero that is a well established fact and so still in the nutrition guide printed by the AMA yeah yeah and um still there yeah and so you know you know them then sort of so they they were doing something differently obviously you if if you're having problems after a year or so that I'm not having or you weren't having or Baker wasn't having or the Inuits never have well obviously there's something there's something different going on there they thought that this was lack of carbohydrates but we were all lacking carbohydrates and and we were thriving and he wasn't so it's something else it's not the carbohydrates um maybe feel maybe they feel better on carbohydrates but that's you know that that's going to be a side you know that's not addressing the underlying issues so uh no I don't I don't you know just looking you know anthropological data and the and the fossil record and biologically we I think all the best evidence shows that we really are carnivores as a species that are that we the type of animal that we are biologically is carnivore and so you know eating meat your entire life is is not going to cause detriment by definition because that being our evolved diet if that is our evolved diet when I think that evidence uh strongly supports that um you cannot live generationally uh in in in that state without carbohydrates if that's if that's not going to be optimal you know you have if you if this is if lack of exogenous carbohydrates are going to cause hormonal dysfunction or electrolyte dysfunction you're going to know about it and so you know if you have you know if you have the Inuit and I like using it'll also be Universal it'll happen everybody yeah and um this this is let me let me just take one little Sidetrack here the whole like everyone is different find out what's right for you that's some [ __ ] that somebody became us marketing you know it's like that's ex using the person who just won't you know take whatever or it gives them heartburn or something like that everyone is not [ __ ] different we all have one heart we have the same skin it functions the same it's not like uh you know somebody's skin they they absorb water through it like it's another thing I saw recently like yeah you bathe too much you absorb water through your skin oh really pretty sure it's a oneway street and it's out not in and uh it's just like soluble [ __ ] to go through your skin first of all you know right like you get chlorine poisoning every time you went swimming yeah [ __ ] okay um yeah so those are Waffle words that were developed by pharmaceutical companies so that you know they didn't have to call you a [ __ ] if you didn't want to take their St their medication you know if you didn't like the side effects it's like okay well that wasn't right for you you know because we treat everybody like their child in in healthcare um assuming they're stupid as a child too which is I think a large problem with healthare um it's like no one wants to be educated they just want to be told what to do yeah [ __ ] a lot of people do want to be educated yeah yeah I agree yeah and I think that I think it's a bit of um you know very condescending you know oh they just don't understand they just don't want it's like how the hell do you know dude there is a video out there I mean I copied it I like actually like did a screen record like that's how excited I was yeah Bill Maher who's somebody I normally don't really care for uh was talking about how um misled some people are by like some of the you know medical information that's out there and he's like he's like when I think about the medical community the arrogance of like don't question us we're going to tell you what to do and he says well here's the problem he this is me to the medical community this is him talking to the medical community he says you're wrong a lot yeah like a lot yeah and there are drugs that get approved by the FDA and then pulled by the FDA yeah and we're not allowed to even ask what percentage gets pulled yeah you know there's some groups that estimated something like 75% of drugs that have been cleared been approved then later been like you know we sellan that was when we were kids that was like the allergy medication well it causes arhythmia so you know it just quietly disappeared right but you know like they don't there's only a press release when they launch a new drug not when it disappears yeah so um right so like he's talking about the the irritation of the medical Community has with the population when the population starts asking questions like why would I need to take a vaccine that doesn't stop people from getting it and doesn't stop me from spreading it yeah like that question yeah that's apparently inappropriate yeah yeah I think that's completely appropriate why would I why would I take something that has a risk of death that the two things that we care about it doing it doesn't do either of those things yeah and or or you don't have long-term safety data I mean you know the thing is not being allowed or that which we're supposed to be promised via FDA approval but apparently they can just say it's gonna be Rush status so we're not just going to do any of those studies at all yeah and um you know I mean you should always ask questions you know you may I mean it may be people may think that's unreasonable but it's not unreason this is this is your life you only have one of them you don't get a reset button you can't go back and just say oh well if I had to do again I would do you ask well you don't have that option so you you do need to think critically about things and you do need to ask questions and and I think that you know um that that's important for people to do that and I hope that they continue to do that um just going back to your point about you know everyone being different how how sort of absurd that is I totally agree with that I you know I talk to people about this you know and I and I start making you know my arguments and they they try to try to sort of go one way or the other um I said well you know everyone's different everyone has a different whatever and I'm like no no we are one species you know we're the same animal you know we're hyper you know of all po acid on me poor acid on you same result yeah you know we're Homo Sapien sapiens like we are very very uh you know closely genetically linked we've been essentially the same for about 300,000 years genetically there's minor adaptations here and there but as as far from from just an overall animal perspective we're the same we've been the same for hundreds of thousands of years um and so you know they'll they'll just not think about it but just be oh no no no no because you know these things just get repeated and repeated and repeated and so they think that that has some sort of Merit where in fact you know most of these things it just came like multiple examples that you said like where these things came from they came from complete you know nonsense or or just marketing and um you know what I my argument back to them who said who said you say a lie a thousand times it becomes a truth yeah Hitler well no it's Frederick gobl who was Hitler propaganda yeah I mean it's just like the Nazis anyway that is applied by you know governments all over the world they just keep the lie going and then people just start to believe it yeah make the LIE make it big and keep repeating it until people believe it and then the other one was accuse your enemy of what you doing so that when they say oh know actually know you're doing it you just say that's retaliation that that's you know people Pro all the time um but yeah so my response when people say that no no no no everyone's just different blah blah blah say okay well you point out to me one example in nature where you have two members of the same species who have different optimal diets I'll wait you know I've yet to have someone answer that you know um that's a great question I love that question yeah yeah I think it just it sort of boils it down because like this doesn't that wouldn't make sense biologically you know especially especially something so drastically different from being carnivore to being uh vegan or vegetarian how is that you know um you know most animals so yeah exactly you know like you you can you know there's there's there's plenty of instances where you know herbivores eat eat meat they'll eat like small animals that run by and uh and do just fine and and you we have we can you know that has all the gorillas eat monkeys yeah yeah yeah chimpanzees yeah as well and chimp it's chimps they'll eat smaller monkeys they'll eat more yeah they'll eat more than that and um uh you know funny enough there was there's a National Geographic picture of like chimps in certain areas like hunting with Spears it's like oh dude like Planet of the Apes is is on its way and um which is pretty funny yeah and um you so you know you can you don't actually need to be especially adapted to eat meat because meat is has all the nutrients that we're trying to make what are we trying to do when we eat we're trying to build and maintain meat so what has all the nutrients that we need meat you have to be specially adapted to get those same nutrients from plants which is very hard to do you have to be able to break down cellulose first and foremost if you're eating fibrous plants and that's not really something that uh that you're going to see you know in sort of in in a lot of a lot of people so know you have you know uh you have one spe you know you know I what I say to people like you know the inubs live is as carnivores they and and there's no question of that these people live up in the North Pole there are no plants to eat there is no honey to eat there is no fruit to eat so if you if these were required essential ingredients to life they would be dead they exactly and then you're going through the ice ages which we've done you know five times in the last few million years you know a lot of part A lot of the world was covered in ice and Glaciers there were no plants to eat the majority of people did not have access to plants and this is thought to be why we actually went full carnivore because we didn't have uh the ability to to eat any plants at that point and we were already eating eating animals well also so I I got I gu someone want to add to that like in nature like how many vegetables and fruits do you just trip over like the vegetables and fruits that we have are genetic engineered to be cheap food and like you know I'll just I'll just like when somebody these idiots arguing with me I just post a picture of yosity and I'm like point to all the vegetables like that that is something you would see you know a thousand years ago just a valley with trees and [ __ ] lakes rivers where are all the vegetables yeah [ __ ] nowhere yeah vegetables were engineered yeah yeah I mean like when before corn became cultivated it was just like unheard of yeah had to be you and then and then like B there's Baker's joke it's like I've never seen a cave painting of a farm with vegetables on it yeah or somebody making salad a lot of cave paintings are hunting though yeah quite a few yeah yeah they hunted that's all they did yeah exactly yeah well that's what people say we were hunter gatherers I'm like yeah drop the gatherers part you know had to you know sure you know and you look at you look at uh uh different historical records of you know you Western cultures going into Australia or North America um they marveled at how they they just lived as carnivores they only ate meat and they were they were saying they're like you know even in the northern reaches in you know what's now Canada you know there was I was reading um you know excerpts from from from you know like a journal whatever that some guy wrote at the time like in the early 1500s and he was saying that you know people were um were just eating meat and he was just like that's that's that's pretty crazy you know but they were extremely healthy extremely fit they looked just physically beautiful they were just like statuesque and and he said that it was it was just a bit crazy um he said he understood it for the people you know more North where it's just it's just living in the permafrost all the time you got to do what you got to do but he said people more you know in southern sort of New England areas 3 months out of the year you know you had um you you had uh you know it defrosted and they said that surely they could live off the Bounty of the land during those three months he said but they don't they they just ate meat and there's a lot of uh of Records you know there and in Australia where people were again just just blown away by this and they all said that you know when in in times of you know striation they you know they knew which plants they could could eat to survive on and that they could you know use medically but when they didn't need them when they had meat available they didn't touch it they just they just toss and so people look at it's like oh well the Native Americans or native Australians they they they ate this and they ate this and they ate this and they ate this and they make a broth out of this and a tea out of that blah blah blah blah blah yet when did they do it you know how often did they do was that was that a daily occurrence no that was when they were starving to death or when they were using it medic and that and that is what all the original Source data shows there was um you know every time I find one of these uh books from like an Explorer uh who who's written about their travels one these I always I always pick it up and I always um always look through it and you should write that up and reference it yeah great for people to read yeah well you know yeah I can probably um put them up there I have I have some of the the books there's there's one in particular that um I didn't buy the book I should have I I will probably but I just took pictures of all the of all the pages so I can like read it later it's a whole chapter just on on the diet of the native Australians and they they were just they were just marveling how they just only ate meat and most I'm sure you've seen the documentary by Pete Evans that magic pill yeah yeah that's it yeah he goes through the Aboriginal tribes and and interviews them like you know they got all kinds of problems like they're all sick and then you know he puts them on an all me diet and everything goes away that's weird yeah well yeah and they're like yeah this is how our ancestors at like they know yeah exactly you know and you know I'm I'm in Australia at the moment and you know when I first got here you know it was expressed to me when you're treating you know a native Australian uh patient that you basically look at their age and you add 20 because that's how fast they age that's how quickly they break down and so if you're if you're treating someone who's 40 years old you you treat treat him as a 60-year-old because that's that's the sort of the you know obviously you know you know diseases and and issues come and sort of Peaks at different different uh points in your life and so they seem to get these things a lot earlier uh than other people do and and so they're they're just breaking down but that's that's the the cohort that is eating Western diet and and living you know on this you know uh this crap that that's harmful to and you know and and you know drinking alcohol and smoking sure but you know but the main thing is the food and I remember you know uh learning as a kid um that you remember I just heard heard it on the news or something like that it was just like that studies shown that that when eating a western diet Native Americans were four times as likely to get obesity heart disease diabetes cancer all these these these modern diseases and I remember thinking like well doesn't that mean that the food is causing the disease because if they don't eat the food they don't get the dis disease and we eat the food and we get the disease we just get at a lower rate you know what are what was a nonwestern diet what are they eating that we're not and vice versa and they didn't you know they don't tell you at the time but it was pure high-fat carnivorism and that's the same you know in Australia that's what they ate and so I've I've spoken to you know anybody whenever I can you know that're in the hospital for for different issues and this comes up uh you know especially with the you know the native population you know and we talk about it and I just say like hey you know this is you this is where I'm coming from and uh and like you say they all goes like yeah you know that's that's what we all used to eat when I was a kid and everyone was lean and strong and healthy and no one had all any of these problems and he was just like huh and you and there's still people living like that there's still people living uh you know quite naturally and and um and just eating meat and kangaroos you know same as they always would I'm sure they're incorporating other things as well but you know good news is when you're on in Australia kangaroo is cheap yeah it is yeah well not that great verman yeah yeah they're they're a nuisance so everybody wants them blown away yeah uh but yeah I mean like I had a hell of a time finding kangaroo meate like I was going to nice steakhouses and I'm like where's your kangaroo and they're like not this kind of place no no so you know you go to like more like a Texas Roadhouse sort of spot you know equivalent in in uh in Australia and then that's where you find the kangaroo and it's not bad yeah well and they and thing is too is that you can only find certain certain cuts of the kangaroo they they'll they do like the fame Andy you know the backstraps of the kangaroo because people are are so obsessed with lean meat down here that was a big thing when I first got down here it was just lean lean lean well because they really took it to heart that that uh fat and cholesterol are bad for you and they cause heart disease and you know I think that's perfectly reasonable if you do believe the data you do believe the the the recommendations that cholesterols cause heart disease and this is bad for you there's no there's no benefit nutritionally then yeah you should cut it out you know you should get rid of that crap and that that so as a as a as a market and a society they've really done that pretty well here the problem is is it's dead ass wrong and so yeah the um the the kangaroos they just do the backops because they're just totally lean and they're also most of these things are you know uh pretty lean anyway because they're just they're just living naturally they're not being like you know grain grain fed or whatever but apparently the tails have more fat and that's what the aboriginals will eat that's the most prized part and so they'll take the back straps off they'll sell it to uh you know in in the grocery stores and white man and then they sure and then they yeah and they'll take the Tails and they'll they'll actually just ship them out and just give them to Aboriginal uh communities uh just to just to have and then the rest of it they just grind down for for dog food that's that's how they use kangaroos here and um I've been trying my ass off to get get some kangaroo taals because that's that's you know I was talking to some of these guys and they were like and they even said you like you know we're talking about meat and just eating animals in general and not eating the other stuff he said yeah and you know what the most important part is the fat he said that to me and I was like you damn right it is and so he was saying like that's why we eat the tails the Tails have the most fat that's the best part and after the conversation he's like yeah you know I'm going to talk to my nephew and have him send me some some kangaroo Tails I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna get on this you know and um you know so yeah it's it's good to see and you you you see dramatic differences when people go on a corner or Diet especially when they have these these chronic issues autoimmune issues diabetes certainly um and but it is most dramatic in these genetic populations who have not had the exposure to agriculture that you know you that our ancestors would have had and and that's why they're four times as likely to get these problems Than You Know Than People of a West Western descent would be because you know we had you know the Agricultural Revolution 10,000 8 to 10,000 years ago and so we've had sort of some genetic adaptations and protections against these uh you know poisonous sort of uh foods that they don't have and so they they get much more hit by sort of the toxic elements in these in these foods and then you take that away and they and it just goes away yeah so I that that's uh probably one of the strongest Tools in my my Arsenal as a doctor of getting people better and actually just keeping them better and that's you know really what what uh I think is the you know the main thing to do in um in medicine at all um John I I I'm I just conscious of the time here uh you I don't want to take up your whole night yeah I I do I do need to take off yeah okay um well I I really appreciate you coming on um and hopefully fun yeah yeah absolute pleasure to to meet you and talk with you I'm glad we were able to set this up and um you know I would like to you know bring it back on some other time and really get into the nitty-gritty with the your your uh your X3 bar and your uh Fitness you know program and really like and focus on how people can best address you know uh optimizing uh you know muscle growth and athletic performance uh as well which is something obviously very well versed on if you're able to yeah I'll absolutely do it this is good well now we figured out a good time that works for both of us yeah yeah that's that's because you I me being in California you being in Australia yeah it was tough but we figured yeah so and we must thank our friend Josh yeah absolutely yeah thank you Josh yeah man he was like really really wanted us to get together on video so and and I appreciate his enthusiasm and commitment and persistence yeah because he messed to both of us a lot yeah it was funny because like this is like a it's a really great conversation Josh was absolutely right yeah yeah well and that's the thing you know he you know you work for it and push for it it's just like I say you get you get things done you just just keep plugging away so yeah yeah and uh yeah definitely um great well thanks to Josh yeah um so so what's the best place to for people to find you and and look at your work and and take a look at your my landing page is uh Dr j.com doct o r the letter j.com and there's links to Everything YouTube um I I do the most on Instagram um I'm starting to do some stuff on Tik Tok but I really hate the platform you know it's like it's like let me educate you in 15 seconds yeah because it's just it's just kind of add video and really there's two types of videos that get a lot of traction it's uh girls taking their clothes off and um like kind of funny stuff like cars you know rolling down a hill or you know exploding toilets or just just weird hum yeah yeah so like like I mean when you're talking about science I I it's weird like there are some days where it seems very efficient and there's other days where it's like wow like I'm just wasting my time here yeah absolutely I do double all of my posts as Instagram stories so it's getting some value but it's funny because I'll have 20,000 views on Instagram yet I have more followers on Tik Tok and some of my videos get like 200 weird that's that actually that's an exaggeration probably the lowest one is like 800 okay but it's like you know then you see like the girl who just has like 50 videos of her just like running around in her underwear and it's just like you know like each one's like millions of views like yeah yeah that's what this is here for then yeah yeah exactly all right cool well I'll put those um all in the show notes as well and uh and I'll try to get this up um yeah sort of in in the next in next week or so I know Josh will be I don't think I could I could delay it more than that I think Josh would uh might he kills both yeah exactly he told me he just like you know sh shoes this out you you got to send it to me I really want to see it and so uh maybe I'll just maybe I'll just screw with him and just say it's coming out in a month or something like that just and just watch the fireworks and then pepper it out as an early birthday present don't involve me in that yeah yeah he'll send me nasty messes yeah Dr Jack wish said you know he really didn't want this coming out before June so you know I'm just honoring yeah cool all right well John thank you so much it's absolutely been a pleasure and uh hopefully we'll have you on again and we'll talk some more about uh getting buff awesome Anthony Co have a good night you too I think most people are really trying hard to do the right thing for themselves for their health for their children for their parents for their loved ones and so they're just they're just taking the advice of the authorities and finding out that the authorities are full of crap isn't isn't a nice isn't a nice uh realization or realizing that they're corrupt and they realizing that they're corrupt and they can bribe that they' been mised from