What About Coffee, Tea, and Caffeine on a Keto/Carnivore Diet?

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going doing well man how are you very good thank you you're looking very tanned and relaxed from your time in southern wa yeah it was it was nice so just on the Sun every day and um actually had a weekend off which was rare first time in a while yeah very good um so the topic for today is coffee tea and caffeine uh and you know most people who jump in our carnivore challenge they're very hesitant to give up the coffee yeah it's pretty obvious why um but you know we've discovered that that last five or ten percent makes a huge difference um so why is it so important to remove coffee when you're when you're doing Carnival well I just think it's just you know one of the one of the other things that are not as optimal and um and that you should think about about removing it because at the end of the day this is sort of an Elimination Diet you're eliminating out a lot of things that aren't adding benefit to your life or maybe to tracking from your health and I think coffee is coffee is definitely one of them it's a bean and a peanut seed that seed is a plant's baby and everything protects their babies more than anything and so you'll generally find that in the beans and seeds nuts Etc that this is where you find the highest concentration of different toxins and so coffee is no exception I think that's why you have that bitter taste is because there are chemicals in there your brain's recognizing like hey this is this is not good for you that's why it gives that strong bitter taste that you wouldn't naturally want to say like oh wow that tastes great you know if you're just sort of picking around plants or something to eat in a while and you're starving get that horrible bitter taste you know you're not naturally going to gravitate towards that and so I think that's a survival mechanism that we recognize harmful chemicals as as tasting bad that's giving a bad reaction I think we should listen to that and so coffee is in that category it has that sort of harsh bitter flavor and I think that's because of these these different chemicals in there and there's a number of different things besides caffeine a lot of people will think that it's just the caffeine um and so they'll drink decaf which is fine but you're you know there's 150 000 other chemicals in coffee as well it's not just the caffeine and in fact I think it's probably better to do the other way around that if you're trying to come off coffee and but you still like the caffeine you're trying to get off that you can actually use you can or you can just stop altogether a or you can use caffeine pills much cheaper anyway you know like a bottle of 200 of those things costs as much as a cup of coffee does yeah so you can have that if you just want that caffeine kick and then you get the chemical that you want as opposed to the 150 000 others that come come with it and then you find you know that actually made you feel better without it I feel much better without it I have much better and more consistent energy throughout the day if I don't drink coffee or take caffeine I mean if you feel better for those first few hours I'm just buzzing off the wall and and um that have a lot of energy and very productive but after that I feel pretty gross I feel like I'm coming off a drug and I am you know and so you sort of withdraw and feeling just just gross again and you have worse energy throughout the day after that so I find that it's really not worth it to me to take something like that because it it slows me down for the rest of the day 100 what about Tate are we putting it in the same category as coffee yeah I mean it you know depending on the T and depending on how it's prepared it may or may not be any better or worse than than coffee but still going to be things in there uh that the plant uses to defend itself and these defense chemicals and like caffeine caffeine is actually neurotoxin is developed uh you know in order to as an insecticide to stop insects from eating and certain insects we'll eat this the caffeine will kill them you know so that's that's what it's designed for we you know have have a bit of a different reaction to it and so some people like that response but it wasn't designed for us it was designed a long long time ago before people were around in order to uh you know deter insects from eating it so uh that's the thing you know it's not these things aren't good for you um there are studies that look and say well you know if you have caffeine you have coffee people you know tend to do better for certain markers and outcomes and end points but you know what are you comparing you know you're comparing people that are you know eating you know standard sort of diet and maybe doing things in a standard sort of way and then what are your endpoints how are you judging success or failure and all these sorts of things um and that could be you know maybe there are some some advantages here and there but I think for me from my perspective I simply just feel better when I don't have coffee or caffeine in my system I feel more healthy I feel like I have better more consistent energy throughout the day and I also do notice an increase in inflammation in my body when I drink coffee and so you know I tell this story but you know when I was just coming back onto carnivore and I just wasn't I couldn't get sore and I was like okay what's happening so I put it to the test I really tried to challenge myself and I just kept doing sets of squats and set after set after set I ended up doing 32 sets of squats without being able to wear myself out I'm like okay all right let's I'll just call it here because I've been here for four hours and I've got things to do and so the next day I was just like very scared I was like oh my God I'm probably gonna be crippled for the next month uh from doing that at that excessive amount of working out but I wasn't I wasn't sore and this really pisses people off to hear I don't know why but all the things this really bothers them [ __ ] there you you get sore I'm like okay I don't but you know like try yourself you'll see you know yeah those defensive chemicals those inflammatory factors that exist in plants that actually cause that pain swelling and inflammation stiffness and because we've been eating this stuff our whole life that's just normal for us and that's just that's just what we we notice since we think oh that's that's normal you work out you get sore that's it well no actually that's not that's not it you know because animals in the wild they're running around escaping if they're just oh crippled and ugh around the next day well they're getting eaten the next day gone away once but they're done now and so that doesn't really work you know if you eat something that makes you feel like that it makes you feel bad makes you feel stiff and uncomfortable and painful you're not going to go back and eat that thing again right unless you absolutely have to so uh we're just sort of Contracting that we don't we don't realize what's happening we don't realize that's not normal we don't realize that that doesn't have to be so I saw that and I saw that I wasn't sore and I really overdid it and I felt great and so I was like great I'll go hiking I went play rugby and the next day still not sore you know and two days after that normally you peek in your inflammatory cycle um for your your delayed onset muscle soreness is 48 hours and so this is now two days later I'm not I'm not feeling sore I'm feeling great I met a friend for coffee and I was like okay can I have coffee what does this do to my body I had one cup of black coffee and within 20 minutes I could actually feel my body getting more and more stiff and more and more sore my hamstrings tightening up my back something uh painful I'm like okay like like what's happening what's happening what's happening I can feel it building up in real time and then I was sore for the next two days you know nothing close to what I would have been if I was eating a normal diet I would have I would have been in trouble I don't think I would have been out of bed for a month if if you didn't know that because I've done things like that I've overdone it in like days not even half of what I did that day maybe a third and um well a little more than a third but you know I've done crazy heavy leg workouts and and I've really overdone it and I've just been absolutely Agony for two weeks like actually two weeks and this is so much pain and so I was like really afraid that was gonna happen and it didn't you know so then you know I drink coffee and I'm sore again I'm like okay well that that's that's not what I want to do and that's not what I want to have and I was working with a doctor here in Australia and he's an orthopedic surgeon and so uh you know we were you know we would work together and operate during the day and um we became friends and we started you know going to the gym together you know I went with him and I was just like okay well you know just go through and do my lifting schedule with me and uh and so I was like pushing him again he wasn't a guy that would really normally work out all that much and so I I was really challenging him he was like well you know I'm operating tomorrow so I really don't want to like really overdo it because I don't want to be sore and I'm like you're not going to be sore if you do cardboard you know like I'm telling you you're not and he's just like he's really skeptical about that I was like look just trust me like it doesn't matter how hard you go today like we'll push you like really hard to do my whole workout um you won't be sorted tomorrow and so he was just like very very you just see him just sort of like looking at me like that's full of it and and he's just like yeah I'm really interested I'm really interested to see if I'm actually you know sore or not tomorrow and I was like yeah I'm really interested to see if you're you know how pure you are you know yeah yeah yeah because that's it you know if you're if you're actually just eating meat and water you won't be sore you know like I can I can guarantee that and so he's just like okay all right and you're just me and Mars like yeah no just need water I'm like you should be fine so get the next day we're there in the morning and he's just like and he's got this grin on his face but he's just like man I wanted you to be wrong so bad like I want to come in here and just be sore me oh I told you I was sore this thing like he's like but I'm not I'm not sore like you were right like that's crazy that's so crazy that I'm not sure halfway through the day we're there everyone's sort of having lunch I'm just you know not eating anything and uh and he's not eating anything but one of the one of the you know the the you know medical equipment reps comes through and I got coffee for everyone and just passed around I'm like yeah I'm okay and uh he had a coffee I didn't say anything uh but he's there sort of drinking a coffee and he sort of gets halfway through and after a while he just sort of looks at me goes you know I actually you know I am starting to feel sore actually yeah sure and I just pointed out I was like what are you drinking and he's like ah damn it that's it and it and it happens that quickly you know within minutes you'll start feeling these effects in your body and then when you start recognizing that you have that natural deterrence you feel great all the time you eat something that makes you feel bad you're going to be naturally deterred that's why people say like wow you must have so much willpower it's not eating it and stuff like not really like I I want nothing to do with that stuff because I know how it makes me feel I've tried it sample it back in I'm like yep that makes me feel bad I don't want to feel bad I want to feel awesome all the time and so it's it's really not hard at all it's it's sort of self-reinforcing um yes some people will think you're crazy and I think that's because well two reasons because they haven't experienced that no pain no inflammation of carnivore so they can't imagine what it would be like for that to be gone but then also when you are carnivore and you actually and you slip up you notice it's so much more you know like I'm I'm the same I can suddenly feel aches and pains in my knees or my back and it's like oh where's that coming from that's not normally there yeah um so you know I I believe it I've experienced it but I understand it can be it can be hard for some people I mean athletes that hear this message you know particularly like you know Midway through the season where you know you would know at a rugby club a lot of people can't run till Thursday and they and they make it through a Thursday training and they're like yeah I'm good to go for Saturday and then you just fire up for Saturday and you push through yeah well I mean when I before I was doing this that was it especially when I drink on the weekends after games yeah exactly yeah very big social part of it I really enjoyed that that was probably the sort of the seductive nature of it was uh you know I had fun drinking as a celebrating yeah it's a reason to drink and body yeah yeah and um and that's sort of why I chose rugby over fighting was because fighting was awesome I absolutely loved it but there wasn't that same social camaraderie like after the game you'd go out and you'd have drinks and all that sort of stuff and um it was just it was just business you know and people were friendly and and hung out I was I was you know uh you know good friends with everyone even though they were like you know 10 years older than me at least and um but it was um you know it was at that social aspect and that atmosphere is just such a fun environment to be in but at the same time like you are you are working that off in the next like few days it's not until like that Tuesday practice that you were that you are beginning to get all this stuff out of your system I would always just you know like you would almost smell the alcohol coming out of your pores on the Tuesday yeah 100 and uh and you just think this and that was it you'd sweat the evil out of you that's how I would I would phrase it I'm like I'm gonna sweat all this evil out of me and then you know after the Tuesday practice then you start feeling good a little better by Thursday you start like yeah feeling better and then and then on the game you'd be ready to go and then you just destroy your life again and so as soon as I stop drinking uh that was different I I was feeling better the next day and you know I could go run I could do whatever I was like wow this is amazing my recoveries are so so much quicker and that's because alcohol does does a lot of damage to your body and the rest of the stuff does too and so that was at the same time uh that I sort of stopped eating all these plants and everything like that is when I I stopped drinking as well I'm just I I always attribute it to like just not drinking which is a major part of it but I never thought that the the the just the unique thing played such a big role yeah 100 yeah yeah yeah and I know lots of people who've gotten healthier by cutting out alcohol obviously and it's a good place to start but you're right once once you do that plus all mate no plants then it's a whole other level and like you know I'm looking forward to more athletes doing that during the season you know yeah absolutely and you know I've noticed too that you know something slips in or something like a bit of carbs a bit of rice or a bit of beans or whatever not even much you know my my back will kill like you're saying like these aches and pains like oh that's not supposed to happen yeah same thing my back is like stabbing pain or eggs after the last time I had rice I'm not even I didn't even have a a single bite of rice right it was just it was at a restaurant some of the rice and beans that were sort of stuck on me and I couldn't scrape all of it off because there were smaller pieces and I'm like yeah whatever and let's see how what this does to me I regret that because it was like it was four days of feeling like garbage and you know so I really don't want that oh don't you miss me absolutely not no I've never had rice that tasted better than you know than than how miserable I was after having eaten rice I mean like I don't want back pain I don't want 20 minutes to get out of debt you know and uh and I had to when I was doing that I don't know what the hell is going on but it was not fun now you know I have aches and pains and things like that on a minor level just because I've played a lot of sports and battered my body in a lot of ways and that's just the nature of things but it's perfectly fine I don't it doesn't limit me in any way you know I feel great all the time and it's just you know I'm 43 and I've got uh you know uh compressed discs and and arthritis in my kneecaps like no you got you got 77 to go yeah well I think so yeah at least I'm pushing dirty and if you know like people like you know David Sinclair like you know actually get get going on this whole longevity thing we can actually start reversing things I mean I think it'll be you know miles ahead of everybody already yeah we'll see you know just just invest now yeah yeah versus your friend by the time you're 150 you know you're gonna be a billionaires so yeah yeah that's true let things compound yeah yeah you should be happy just 150 year old going around um but dude we should do an episode on David Sinclair and the um the lifespan book [Music] um um I haven't seen too much of this stuff but I know I know he's working on this stuff I've seen a couple of the papers he's put out that they've you know making some pretty pretty interesting breakthroughs yeah yeah maybe we should get into it there's probably some David Sinclair fans watching this uh yeah yeah well I mean he's doing really really interesting stuff you know I mean that's the thing too you know I mean he obviously doesn't it's not a not a carnivore sort of things you're like Lex Friedman is and um yeah people liked it um uh Sinclair and others on but um you know you don't have to get everything right all the time you know like these different sorts of people that have that get thing they get their luminaries in certain areas that doesn't mean that they're right about absolutely everything I'm not right about everything I'm sure and when I I you know see see that I try to to adjust and change you know I'm not stuck in my ways you know certain things I'm like no I really think this is this is the way to go and I say so but if I find new information that really challenges that I mean I will change my mind like that is not that's the way it should be I wouldn't you would hope so yeah and so with David Sinclair you know I mean he's just this isn't something that he's looked into in the same depth as other people have and it's not something that he has you know necessarily seen the other side of the argument because you do have to look for this information it's not just being presented to you you know his his colleagues at Harvard are very very much pushing the plant-based yeah 100 yeah yeah and and um and you know specifically the plant-based stuff you know a lot of stuff you know I know a number of people that got there like their masters in public health from Harvard and they went in one way and came out vegan you know because what you get taught there as what gets pushed there you know and um and Harvard has this mentality of um because it's from Harvard it has to be right and so you'll notice that people that go there it's just like well I went to Harvard so that's not an argument you know um you actually have to back it up and uh you know Thomas Sowell talks about that in his time there about how that that was sort of the the uh the attitude my grandparents met at Harvard and they said the exact same thing and that's why like my my family um we sort of didn't do that we had a lot of a lot of my family members my grandparents met at Harvard a lot of my um you know my mom's family and cousinsdale went to Harvard and my parents were just like you guys aren't going to Harvard or the Ivy League schools you know because they didn't they didn't want that they didn't want these sort of programming pushed down our throats they wanted us to be taught how to think not what to think yeah that's brilliant and so that was that was very important to them so they didn't want us doing that I think I think I would have been fine you know a bit more stubborn than some people but yeah I think that would have struggled to brainwashy with the plant-based stuff I hope not you know I'm sort of interested in doing like an MPA server I've I've gotten emails from them about doing like an mph so I mastered Public Health there and um you know I have a very good program obviously you know but um I would I would I would wonder hey if they'd let me in knowing you know my background and uh you know and uh but B like you know you know how these how these classes would go because obviously there would be some some in-depth discussions you know during class time that would sort of take over the yes guess lecturer Dr Anthony yeah in the class yeah truth about nutrition that'd be brilliant yeah but um yeah no I think I think it would be fine though and um but yeah so you know Dave Sinclair like he's seen what he's seen and and he sort of made the decision that way but you know he's looked into you know anti-aging and things like that yeah way more than almost anyone else has so he he is an expert and you know sometimes when you're an expert in something you forget that you're not that it took you 20 years to become that and uh and then you sort of look at something else and go oh well this is what the evidence shows so that's what it is like well maybe you know but you know you wouldn't accept that from someone else coming into your field and just and just saying that you know because they heard a couple things and it's like well this is what it is and you're like well actually it's not you know because you know more about that and people forget that you know like it's someone pointed this out a while ago when you're reading a newspaper and you're just reading stories reading columns you're like wow this is interesting wow look at this oh look at that and then you come across something that's in your field and it's just like that's [ __ ] yeah that's fine because of this this and this and then you go to the next one like wow that's really interesting forgetting that they just messed that one up you know what else have they messed up you know maybe they got the other ones wrong maybe it was just a one-off but you know you don't know I mean people do the best that they can you know not everything's a conspiracy or an agenda but there are conspirations and agendas out there especially with nutrition and food yeah but it doesn't have to be people can just get things wrong you know they can they can you know mean well and have all of the data and support and things and and come to something you know it's uh Thomas Soule said you know it is perfectly reasonable you know and and understandable for two people to look at the same piece of information and intelligently and honestly come to different conclusions now that's I think is that's the best definition of being open-minded is accepting that effect you know that just because someone disagrees with you on something does not mean that they have ill intent you know it just means they disagree you're like well I disagree with people on Christian because I've looked at things differently I've seen other important information and when I relay those points of information to people even vegans vegetarians who are doctors nurses and nutritionists they they tend to come around you know I I have yet to have someone who has been willing to engage in a conversation with me um and go back and forth even aggressively that they have not come around um and seen seen the light but you know that's okay so I see this information and I have a different different take on it because I have a different background on it you know and other people do as well but it's not because they're a bad person and they're and they're trying to be you know misleading you know bastard and I'm not either you know but people forget that as well it says you know now people can't set that people can be an error they think that they're in sin it's not that you know you've made this mistake that you are a bad person because you think that you know like that's a very very dangerous road to go down 100 yeah I really want you to read lifespan and uh and kind of decode it so I tried to rate it and coming from somebody who's done a lot of research into carnivore I found that a lot of the sort of medication or supplements that he was recommending like Resveratrol was to mitigate the effects of eating plants and carbohydrates so it would be like you'd be like you have a meal and your insulin spikes insulin causes damage and like you know and can shorten your lifespan I'm like yes and then he goes then you take this sort of like some you know and even um he recommends uh like metformin or whatever it's called the stuff that diabetics take and he says and then you can mitigate the inflammatory effects of eating the food and you can lower your insulin level and I'm just like okay cool just don't eat them yeah I sort of freaking clue try to find more I'm like so where does he get to the good stuff yeah you know so what what he's saying works but um you know well right yeah I mean you're you're treating a symptom not the disease right you know that's what it seems like to me but I need to know how to read it well but I mean but in that you know that sort of uh description you know that sounds like what's happening he's saying that you know insulin's bad and these things are bad so you take these medications or like you know like gundry is this it's like a plant Paradox it's like you know lectins are bad you know they're really bad for you so take this medication that can you know uh uh mitigate lectins exactly yeah stop eating plants so he comes from a background of like hey you should eat plants but they're bad for you so you have to take these other steps like or just don't eat them you know you don't have to you don't need them and you guys have said clearly that these things are causing harm maybe even carbohydrates your insulin goes up that's a problem you know you should take this medication or just don't eat the carbohydrates very simple you know Skip the middleman and so so that's the thing like that that's sort of what I wonder is is uh I think I think a lot of these these youthful aging sort of techniques are going to pale in comparison to just eating properly just eating what we're biologically designed to eat and you know I think that you'll live 120 130 years just doing that and then so you know that's where you start you start off with proper nutrition you start off with with eating a biologically appropriate diet and then you try to find things that that help you from there but yeah from the sounds of it you know these medications are really just helping mitigate the effects of eating something we're not supposed to and so but I'm sure that there are other things yeah exactly right that's just one exactly yeah yeah yeah but yeah there's some things that you're talking about like in mice that actually like can can actually like reverse their age and things like that in certain ways so if we can if we can figure that out you know I mean like you have telomeres on your on your chromosomes you know have these little little molecule caps and you have you sort of plead these things off and once you run out of that that cell line dies and so that's that's how you can sort of tell how long you're going to live and your metabolic Age based on your telomeres and other things and so you know exercise you know like like weightlifting you know that can increase your telomeres you know having a growth hormone that can increase it um you know but like all these different sorts of things can can increase your telomere so that's like oh that's that's reversing the aging process and things like that and so maybe they're going to be more and more things you know like cancer cells they cap their telomere so they they never run out they can just they can just go and go and go and go and go right lobsters have cat telomeres so they don't they just don't die of old age their tissues don't break down like that like ours would they just go you know and if they don't get killed or don't die of something they don't just die of old age that's the idea and so that might be interesting figuring out how to cap our telomeres and then you just immortalize your cells um but that could cause other problems I'm sure you know like horrible cancers probably you know so you know because like some cells you need turnover right your skin cells the epithelial cells things like that so what would happen then you sort of immortalize these things you know um you know is that still going to have the same turnover is that still going to have the same uh you know properties that they had before but um you know I'll leave that to them to figure out I you know I'll stick I'll stay in my Lane you know because I just don't know about that stuff but I think it's interesting and I think you start with the biologically appropriate diet and get your body working as well as it can naturally and then try to mess with it after that yeah 100 just uh flicking back to caffeine I think well speaking from from my experience when I went to give up coffee which I did in April May last year a fear of mine was that my performance would drop so I was like I was like oh well I I work better when I have caffeine and like you know I can train better when I when I have some caffeine and like you know you see like you know a lot of really smart people you know they're slamming coffee all day and athletes are taking capping pills and all sorts of stuff that was a fear of mine look I've discovered that it was an unwarranted fear um but you and I sort of didn't expand on why that may or may not be a fair thing to fear well I mean you you're used to getting that pickup when you take caffeine and so you charge and and other times and you feel and then you come down like oh I'm not on caffeine and I feel bad uh but that goes away you know like you get you get through a hangover period and you get through the withdrawal period and then you get more consistent energy throughout the day and because your biochemistry is better and you're able to mobilize your fat stores and make ketones blood sugar and glycogen at at on demand then you you have energy on demand and so the more you work the more you push yourself the more energy you're going to produce and burn and we feel better when we burn more energy that's why things like coffee and stimulants make us feel better because we're burning more energy we feel great and um and so when you just start working out exercising pushing yourself on a carnivore diet or in a ketogenic metabolism you start mobilizing more energy and you feel better so you know because you're burning more energy and that makes you want to work harder it makes you burn more energy which makes you feel better which makes you want to work harder and so it's this positive feedback loop and so you find that people just just feel really great and they want to do more they want to do more because they get that that good feeling and so that's why you know I like working out for several hours I don't it's not been like oh I'm I feel better for having had worked out no no I feel better while I'm working out I feel better right then I don't want to stop because I feel so good as I'm working out and so you'll find that your energy levels especially as an athlete are much better when you're on a carnivore diet or even just keto diet high fat meat-based keto diet and it's you know some people take caffeine and they'll take pre-workout sort of stuff to get that Spike of energy so they can go in and work out hard I go to the gym to get that Spike you know go to the gym I start working out and I start producing more energy and I feel better you know so if I Want More Energy I start doing that you know and I feel better you know and so you know that's that's inspires me to push myself and work hard feel better as I'm doing it the more energy you produce the better you feel yeah I like that yeah yeah well well the more energy you burn right if you're just burning all this energy you're sitting there steaming with energy and you just don't feel like you're full of life you can take you can take medications and drugs to do that you know and people do but you know you if you're in a ketogenic metabolism on a carnivore diet which you should be you know you shouldn't be eating a bunch of carbs and sugar um then you're going to feel like that and if you can take carbs and sugar and then they have all this energy and they go do something but you don't need that if you if you start working out then you'll get that naturally and you won't run out you won't crash right you won't hit the wall so you know if you're burning more energy you feel better you know people just do and that's why they chase those sorts of sorts of things and so you know um that's why you know I feel better when I'm working out you know when you're eating a bunch of carbohydrates like yeah you know if you're if you're on a if you haven't eaten a bunch of sugar and carbs or whatever to have that higher blood sugar to carbo load up to carb up you know a lot you know this is this is why the classic you know police officers and donuts right because they're working night shifts they're doing shift work they're feeling like crap they're drinking coffee they're just trying to keep their energy up because they're you know just switching back and forth from day night evening morning all that sort of stuff and this feel like crap and they're like okay we need to get we need to get some energy so they'll eat a bunch of donuts which has carbs and sugar and they feel better and I drink some coffee on great I feel good I can I can attack my shift now you know and um you know and and you know do my job and so that's that's the rabbit hole people go down is they have to eat those things in order to feel good to do their job or to work out but you don't need to do that when you're not eating carbohydrates you know you just start working out and you just feel better as you go yeah love it burn more energy feel better and burn your own energy and and run on ketones 100 yeah that's a good way a good way to live as well stop trying to you know preserve yourself and trying to sort of rest all the time and start doing stuff you'll feel better yeah you do feel better and you just you know just get out be active move your body do things outside you'll get some sunlight you know lift things put them back down you know it's great you know but it doesn't have to be lifting weights it doesn't have to be Athletics but you'll join a team join a support join us something in environment as well and it gets you out there it gets you doing things and gets you uh experiencing life and you know people think that it's like well I don't really have time to I don't have the energy or whatever you'll find that if you make the time to work out then you'll actually have more energy throughout the day you'll be more productive otherwise your brain actually works better change has been you know the the chemistry in your brain uh in such a way that your brain actually works more efficiently if you're if you're exercising you know the ancient Greeks knew this it was this this scholar athlete sort of model that they recreate with the Rhodes scholarship at Oxford that was for people that don't know the road scholarship and sort of give two of these things a year to different countries to sort of each country that's a that's a member and uh they get this for the top scholar athlete at your in your country so just give two of them for each country America gets more because it's bigger so it gets sort of like different regions split up um you know my grandfather was a real scholar at Oxford and Wilson I think it was it was like you had to be a scholar athlete so um a lot of it they really focus on the scholar part and they sort of you know just sort of push the athletes side of things if they have to if they really want you from your academic point of view but you have to do something yeah some sort of sport so my my grandfather uh was on the rowing team for for uh Oxford yeah sick um and so he's doing another degree there and doing his PhD there and um and he wrote for Oxford while he was there so that was it that was that was the idea and uh and it does actually benefit you physiologically to exercise and and work out it actually helps your brain as well so it's it's um there's a there's a significant advantage to doing these sorts of things together yeah on on that point the uh the sort of modern um perception of like you know you've got to be really scrawny or overweight and hopeless physically to be smart and then if you're really physically dominant you've got to be dumb that's [ __ ] and they definitely you know they both work hand in hand physical exercise discovering your body learning how to use it and then also using your brain and developing so that's well your brain moves your body right and so your brain actually is in control of that and you have your spinal reflexes and muscles and things like that you know it's just it just is like a you know like a Pianist you know they're not thinking like on this note and this note and this note and this note the other hitting 50 notes you know every three seconds you know and because they're just you know for like a concert pianist and so that's not you can't consciously think about that that is muscle memory you've trained your body to move in a specific way and that's the same with Athletics you know you are you are training yourself you know to run jump pick uh and and then move in a certain Dynamic way and in fact it can actually take a lot more uh you know intelligence in a lot of ways because you know when you're when you're playing the piano freestyling and doing those sorts of things you're playing a set thing you've practiced that piece it can be extraordinarily difficult to do these sorts of things and it is not taking that away from anybody um but you're not you're not doing that while 300 pound guy is trying to kill you you know so like you have to if you're on if you're on the field you have to react to what other people are doing too it's not just you you know it's not like golf where you're just trying to to hit a ball on a certain or even then that changes up you're on this angle of this slope and this Sun's in your eyes and this is how far you got to go it changes what you're doing but you know when when someone's competing directly against you and you have to react to those other people you know it takes it takes a lot you have to be very very well trained and that is your brain doing it your brain your spine your nervous system training you to react in different ways in in different situations physically in a split second decision you know so it's uh it does take it does take a significant amount of intelligence and it does go hand in hand and the thing is is that people focus generally are quite myopic they focus on something so if you're in sports you focus on Sports if you're into you know certain academic field you focus on that that feel and so we can just sort of get you know trapped in that and you know obviously if you focus a lot of time onto something you're going to get better at it you know musicians need to practice their instrument they need to spend hours a day doing that professional athletes need to train for their Sport hours a day you want to be an academic you need to study hours a day it's it's all it's all about work it's all about hard work and a lot of people aren't able to put in that same amount of work in multiple different disciplines but it does actually help yeah 100 yeah working on both the same time or multiple things at the same time you know yeah you're working the same sort of discipline yeah exactly and and they can they can complement each other you know and so you're moving your body you're working out and that makes your brain work better I came across that actually a research when I was studying for my mcats going to medical school and so I was still playing rugby you know because I just that made me happy to do and um but I was studying for the MCAS I was I was spending you know a long time you know when I was getting like really leading up to the test I was studying for like you know 12 13 hours a day every day and uh getting ready for this exam but I would play rugby as well you know and uh and I would train and I would go to the gym you know for half an hour 45 minutes every day I just I would just get it done and I found that it definitely helped me uh with my concentration otherwise and help with my energy my mental energy um not getting as much mental fatigue and uh and and just you know ended up benefiting me academically not just physically 100 all right thanks Dr chafee let's let's wrap there that was awesome until next time see you then