Dr. Anthony Chaffee explains his strict carnivore approach, eating only meat, salt, and water since February 2018. He emphasizes that beef provides optimal nutrition and energy, referencing historical research from Dr. Salisbury in the 1800s that confirmed red meat's superior nutritional profile. The discussion covers practical aspects of carnivore eating, including meal timing preferences and the importance of eating until satiation for 24-30 hour fasting periods.
A significant portion focuses on fat consumption and digestion, explaining how the body requires adequate fat for proper bowel function through bile production. Dr. Anthony Chaffee debunks the fiber myth, demonstrating that fat, not fiber, facilitates healthy digestion through the coordinated action of four organs: liver, gallbladder, pancreas, and small intestine. He explains how low-fat diets actually cause gallstones and constipation, while proper fat intake maintains soft, healthy stools and efficient nutrient absorption.
Key Takeaways
- Eat fatty red meat (preferably beef) as it provides 3x the caloric nutrition compared to lean meat by weight, offering better satiation and nutritional value per dollar spent
- Time meals at the end of the day to maintain a 'hunter mentality' during daily activities, as eating triggers rest-and-digest metabolism that reduces energy and focus
- Consume adequate fat (around 50% fat-to-meat ratio by weight) to ensure proper bile utilization and prevent constipation, as fat lubricates stools naturally without requiring fiber
- Listen to your body's bile production capacity - loose stools indicate excess fat intake while hard, dry stools signal insufficient fat consumption for optimal digestion
- Full Carnivore Diet - Beef Focus and Bangladesh Experience
- Plant Toxins and Bitter Taste - Evolutionary Warning System
- Meal Timing and Fat Content for Satiation
- Eating Schedule for Athletic Performance and Energy
- Fat Requirements and Constipation - Bile Function Explained
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hey everyone back with dr shafi um and the
question is are you full carnival into you what does full carnival mean uh yeah i am um
so so for me that just means i just eat you know meat salt water um any meat is fine i don't
really i don't really care i just generally touch uh generally beef so i just tell people you
know eat the meat that you enjoy that makes you feel the best and you know that you can afford
you know if that's an issue for me that's beef i always feel best when i eat beef i'll eat you
know pork and chicken sometimes and fish whatever um and eggs but i always feel the best when i'm
on beef yeah most delicious as well yeah yeah it is yeah and you know i mentioned
dr salisbury before he found that um that for his patients as well back in the 1800s
that that beef was definitely the best as well that lamb was uh was was sort of a distant second
but that the red meats were definitely the best as far as you know nutritional content and
so forth so yeah as i was saying i've been very very strict carnivore since probably february
2018 when i got back from doing humanitarian work in bangladesh and just a quick one on that how
did you learn bangladesh uh being semi-carnival oh well those people always been very meat centric
and you know they did have meat and so i would just generally just eat sort of but i wasn't
thinking about the context of like don't eat plants plants or poisonous and so forth at that
time i always sort of had that because you know 20 years ago when i was taking cancer biology we
learned how poisonous plants were and how harmful they were and i stopped eating all plants then
it was inadvertently a full carnivore for five years at that point then sort of slipped off of
it but i was always very plant avoidant and carb avoided and so forth because of that um so i would
i would you know when there's there's sort of food available generally the meat part of it and try
to you know avoid the carbs and avoid the you know vegetables and so forth just because i don't
like vegetables and um and also you know i should tell you something evolutionarily like why would
we hate the taste of something that we evolved on you know the bitter taste is is significant
you know our sense of taste is very important uh to our survival you notice something that's
bitter that is your brain and your tongue telling you this this contains something that's bad for
you that bitter taste is something bad for you so you should listen to that you know there are
things that are you know that taste good that aren't good for us like sugar that's an outlier
people people think that fructose is quite sweet because um it's uh you know we don't know of any
any plants that contain fructose that are acutely poisonous for humans and it'll kill you that day
so we recognize this as a safe quick hit of energy until we can get our normal food but you know
taken long term it does more even short term it does it does some serious changes to your body
that you don't really want and you know if you do that daily it compounds quite significantly
you have type 2 diabetes heart disease things like that so yeah so in bangladesh i wasn't i
wasn't um but it would be easy i mean there there was meat available i would just i would just
only sort of eat that and i sort of you know end up just sort of eating whatever just
because you know you're in the camps for the refugee camps yeah for you know like 16 hours
sometimes and or even overnight sometimes and um you know you just sort of eat what you can get
basically uh now knowing that i would actually it's actually easier now when i only eat meat
because i i eat fatty meat until i'm full i'm generally not hungry for 24 or 30 hours and
um even if i am hungry and i go like oh wow you know steak really sounds good i really like to eat
but you know i want them on call at the hospital and so forth i was like well i got three surgeries
lined up and i'm gonna be working tomorrow so i'm probably not gonna be able to eat for another
24 hours my body just goes right that's okay and i'm not panicked and freaking out because
my body can see my leptin you know the leptin is produced by your fat cells and that goes
to your brain to tell it your brain how much energy you have so you know if you're not
eating carbohydrates you're not eating sugar uh which block leptin insulin blocks leptin so
if your insulin is up because you're getting carbohydrates it blocks leptin so your brain
doesn't see that you have energy so it gets panicked and say oh you have to you have to eat
uh my brain can see the leptin so it doesn't get panicked you know it was like well you're not
gonna die should be fine so generally do you eat once a day twice a day what works for you uh
it just depends so if i'm eating fattier meat i i'm more satiated because you're getting more
nutrition right so if you have you know a kilo of lean beef and a kilo of 50 50 beef and fat by
weight the 50 50 one has three times the calorie nutrition as the lean beef right so it's the same
weight but you're getting three times nutrition so your body's gonna want more of the lean beef
because you need you need more of the nutrients and also you're not gonna get the fat your body
really does want fat you know animals in the wild get about 78 of the calories from fat and so
you know that that's an important part of that um so i find that if i'm eating sort of
more lean i eat more you know pounds of steak more kilo more weight of steak and and
you know because i have a finite amount of room in my stomach i'll end up eating more times
during that day if i'm eating fattier stuff it's much less and it's actually you know as far as as
far as uh you know cost is concerned you know so maybe a fatty cut is maybe a little more expensive
than the lean cut depending on what you do some quite a lot of fatty things like you know like
you know chuck sticks and things like that much cheaper yeah yeah and they're
very good fat content yeah um but let's say it's more expensive you know
it's a few dollars more expensive a kilo well you're getting three times the value for your
dollar nutritionally if it's you know 50 sort of thing you know that's those are really raw figures
but you know you figure so so something's you know twice the price that you're like all right well
maybe it's kind of equivalent but you know if it's a few dollars more you're actually getting more
more bang for your buck with the fattiness and also like you know like we said like in a chuck
stick and things like that are generally cheaper so yeah so if i'm getting fatter feet i
generally don't eat as much if i'm working out a lot if i you know i'm blessed to have the
time to actually go to the gym i i will tend my body will want more energy and that that's pretty
simple so you know during code when i wasn't able to work out or go to the gym i was generating
about a kilo of steak a day when i was able to get back into the gym and start lifting i was you
know i made sure that i could go to the gym sort of four days a week at least and i was lifting
quite hard back on my sort of professional lifting program that i had when i was when i was playing
professionally and i ended up literally doubling that so i would have basically two yeah two kilos
a day um sometimes maybe maybe a bit more throwing some eggs or something like that but i also
just was stacking on weight as well i put on i was gonna put it on i was 92 kilos at the end
when the gyms opened back up in perth and then in about five weeks four or five weeks i was 105
kilos you know and same body fat percentage yeah so your body had kind of just adapted to less
exercise less stimulus and yeah just reverted back to a lighter fun yeah well i'd been like that
for a while because i hadn't been really working out that much anyway just because work was very
busy but then when i couldn't go to the gym it really bothered me so i just that was just like
the whole time i was just chomping at the bit i was just like okay as soon as these gyms open like
i'm going after it and just making making the time and uh so you know i had obviously
a big response obviously that hadn't been working out a long time you get a lot of
beginner gains and things like that you know there's a lot of room to improve there you
know sort of hit around you know 110 now and i'm sure i could get higher than that i know he
could but um with the amount that i'm able to work out that seems to be where i'm sort of stabilized
that desperate to become heavier in any way so do you prefer to eat in the middle day at
the end of the day at the start of the day i generally prefer to eat at the end of the day
just because you know when you're in this i've always in in rugby i always played hungry that was
something i noticed early on and and intermittent fasting people sort of noticed this as well when
you notice this but i think most people don't notice that yeah before i was playing sports you
know like a honey sandwich to try and get that little buzz oh yeah as you're running out and then
second quarter or second half you're absolutely cool so yeah yeah i think you discovered this
stuff that you know yeah well i got well yeah i guess i was lucky to figure that out yeah i would
even notice that i'd feel better if i didn't eat dinner the night before wow and then i wouldn't i
just wouldn't eat the entire day i never ate on a game day because you know if i ever ate i i would
notice right away like i wasn't as good because i i've played hungry many times i noticed how that
went and then if you know if i'd eat i'd be like well i feel like crap i don't have energy and
certainly not to the same extent if i'm playing like a tournament or seventh term or something
like that like god forbid you eat something then you may be good for like one game like you're a
honey sandwich or something but yeah like you're screwed yeah and you know you're sort of chasing
that you know glucose insulin spikes and things like that um so i always played hungry anyway
and um that always made me feel better um and so i would eat sort of afterwards i always noticed
that and so i noticed that when i'm sort of on an empty stomach you have that more like hunter
mentality you're like i have to go get my kill i have to go you have you you're hyper attuned
you know you've got energy bodies producing like you have to go get your kill you have to
go get your food and then when you get that your body's like it turns into you know rest and
digest metabolism say okay we've got the energy we don't need to expend anymore you want to conserve
nature is all about conservation it's all about you know being very very efficient so it doesn't
want you to your nature your biology doesn't want you to expend energy unnecessarily so while
you're going to get your food for that day you're yeah your your body's giving you the energy
that you need to go get this done and as soon as you get that done and you eat until you're
full your body goes chill out so i notice that where i feel better during the day if i just
you know go throughout my day yeah exactly and then when i eat to satiation i'm like i'm just
i'm ready for bed you know i just want to like pass out and i sleep you know like a baby if i
were to eat during there sometimes i am like you know when i'm working out heavily whatever i'll
probably eat twice a day i notice that i feel much better if i don't quite eat as much as i want to
you know i'll still have that a bit of that fight left in me whereas if it's like you know 10 in the
morning or breakfast something like that you like a big meal then i'm just like i'm just very hungry
i'm just like oh i just don't want to do anything i'm not i don't feel like bloated i don't
feel bad i just i just feel very relaxed very calm i'd have no pressure to go out holiday
disease yeah you just like you just feel good you just want to chill out yeah yeah and are you
into bone broth or organs or anything like that i you know i don't eat those myself yeah um but
they're fine you know organs are great you don't need them uh i know different people say that you
do but you don't you know the us don't eat the the organs and so forth they feed those to the
dogs we've known that for 100 years uh at least and uh you know different polar explorers that
went up there that's that's interesting because we often get told that our ignorance and native
people go straight for the liver maybe maybe maybe they eat some of that sometimes but um that's not
for you no yeah i know i mean i i eat it sometimes but uh smaller shawn baker approach really i think
he's pretty much you know kilo kilometers a day um and he's obviously doing very well yeah yeah so
i i think yeah i think it's probably more on the two kilos a day sort of thing just because you
know he's uh you know i'm six three he's six five and he's heavier than i am and uh and he
works out like a champ every single day yeah you know so his body's gonna be wanting a lot of
that that energy and uh when i when i'm able to do heavy workouts my body wants that too it's
just like giving it a give it but then i don't always get the chance to do that and so i
don't always have that hunger drive either yeah that's amazing all right yeah well thanks
dr jackie's yeah street carnivore mainly steak funny steak when you can get it generally
once a day yeah i'd like to eat towards the latter end i find that i feel better doing that
and one thing i will say about about fat content and so forth um one thing that i've noticed with
myself and with you know patients and so forth is that you know people don't know how much fat fat
to eat and they generally think when i say that you eat a lot of fat they think just eat more
fat than they have before that oh that's a lot of fat and in fact they're actually getting
quite a poor um percentage still not enough a lot of these people yeah a lot of people
would would not really get a lot of fat and they'll notice that because they're saying
well i'm getting really constipated i'm getting really constipated so how conservation
works in my view is that it's it's not actually you know no one was having no one needed fiber
before the 1980s that was another thing i've said with fibrous like oh you should eat fiber
to move things through very quickly and so forth and it's just like why didn't we need these
before 1986 you know why was everybody fine before that without any any fiber or so forth or
minimal fiber because that's because they had fat in their diet it's actually fat that moves your
digestion so your body um it's very difficult for your body to absorb fat without bile okay
that's the purpose of bile people say well that's another argument why are people saying
that fat's bad for you if you have four organs working in concert just to absorb fat your
liver makes bile your gallbladder absorbs it or stores it and then secretes it when you have it
and then your pancreas sets out enzymes break it down and your small intestine absorbs it okay so
four organs working together just to absorb fat you know that's a lot of energy expenditure
from your body and from your evolutionary standpoint to absorb something that's really bad
for you that your body doesn't want that doesn't make any sense so it's quite hard for your body
to absorb this without bowel your liver makes you about 800 to 1000 mils of bile a day makes it
very very slowly sort of slowly dripping out and people have their gallbladder removed it just sort
of drips out slowly into their to their intestines so when it goes into your gallbladder it you
know stays there and when you eat something fatty it sort of expresses this stuff out okay and and
then your body is able to absorb the fat with that okay then people avoid fat and so forth um and
that you know can cause gallstones and problems because this is sitting there and you know it
concentrates people realize that it doesn't just doesn't just sit there it's normal concentration
actually normally can concentrate up to 20 times some people might concentrate more than that but
what happens to um you know a solution that's a hyper concentrated solution at rest it's going to
form precipitating crystal that's what you know bile sludges that's what gallstones are generally
people say like oh this is because you ate too much fat that's why you have these sorts of things
but generally you'll find is the people that have gone on a diet to lose fat and they've stopped
eating fat for months so that's the opposite it's the opposite yeah and so then all of a sudden
they start eating fat again like oh that hurts and they go to the doctor because they go because now
they have because yeah because now it's trying to squeeze out fat and the stone gets stuck yeah and
stone gets stuck in there because it's formed a crystal and they go to the doctrine oh and he goes
yeah you know you have gallstones that's because you eat too much fat big fat [ __ ] you know it's
just like no actually you know it's because they didn't eat fat and that's exactly what it is you
see this in people that that uh have bariatric surgery as well um they have a they have a very
accident yeah they're taking out part of their stomach and their and their small intestine to
basically make it very difficult for them to eat okay and so you know when we show radical weight
loss solutions sort of things and so yeah exactly yeah that sort of thing um and then these sorts of
people have a massive massive rate of gallstones and i've heard people say it's like well you know
that that when people lose weight really fast it does something changes their metabolism some way
and somehow and gets these stones we don't really know why and you'll talk to these people because
they're so desperate to lose weight they go through this extremely dangerous and difficult and
painful surgery and it's very you know it's not a nice recovery and um and they're very varied
of their or i'm not going to you know eat fat because they want to lose fat so they're really
really really serious about this and so they just stop eating off that because that's what
they're told and i've heard a number of people got to get told that they have gallstones
and they're just their incense they're like look that can't be true that can't be possible
because i haven't eaten anything in months you know i just want something like that that's why
you have gold stones so biles for absorbing fat when you eat fat as you're supposed to secretes it
out there but this is a finite resource again this is just dripping out very slowly going around 800
milliliters a day right so it's coming out very slowly your liver is not just making a whole bunch
of it you want to go it just steadily makes it and so you run out okay well what happens when
you run out and you have more fat then you have bile for that time your body will keep making bile
after that but right now you're out of bile right well that fat can't get absorbed really there's
something something that can't go to a low degree and so it'll get excreted okay well fat repels
oil repels water right fat repels water so it's already dehydrated you know the whole argument
for why you should eat fiber is because it will remove things quickly before it gets too dried
out the whole point of your large intestine is to dry it out you want to bring that water
back in you're not trying to just waste water you know everyone you have to think of these
things your body's going to be efficient you know and so anything that's inefficient in wasting
water wasting nutrients you have fiber so that you don't absorb food so that you don't get calories
so that you you expel water when you don't need to that that's not a recipe for survival in the
wild you know during during really rough times so you're supposed to be absorbing the water and
when there's fat in your feces in your stools it can absorb all the water it wants but the fat
is still in there to keep it soft okay so that can stay in your cola until christmas it's still
not gonna it's not gonna get any drier than it is and it's gonna stay soft so that's how you know
how much fat you're getting if you're if you're gonna absorb 98 99 of the meat that you eat if you
don't eat fiber and and screw the whole deal up so you're going to excrete much less because
you're actually absorbing you know waste is which a lot of people find when they first do
kind of what they're amazed that they're not doing number two well that's it they are they're tiny
it's like a rabbit yeah exactly and and they think that oh this this means i'm constipated this means
i can't pay this this is that well no actually it's good it means you're absorbing everything
you know it's it's when it's dry and hard you know that's that's uh yeah that that's constipation
not just low frequency you know when you know outside of this way of eating you know if you
have low frequency it's probably because you're constipated because things are dry and
hard not moving very fast but the actual definition of that is is dry hard stools and so
you can get dry hard swords but you'll get them because you don't need enough fat because
your body's absorbing absolutely every ounce of fat that you have because you have a
surplus of bile to fat and so none of the fat or very little bits getting through right
and so if you have a little bit excess then things are going to be soft if you have a lot
excess you know things will get you know more more slippery but like you know it was like
when um joe rogan didn't know i just yeah yeah he's got an explosive diarrhea yeah yeah so he
over overweight but the thing is that but he wasn't sick that's not an infection you know you
know what i mean it's not bad for you it's just inconvenience yeah yeah and so you know it's not
actually harmful thing and if you like what you're eating and you don't really mind the effects well
then it doesn't really matter it's not harming you uh and if you don't like that then you just pull
back pull back the fat a bit yeah exactly so you know exactly how much fat you're getting based on
that but also my ryan's saying that your body will you it will learn to produce more vital is that
problem i've never seen the studies as that it could be it felt like that for me i felt like
you know uh the diarrhea went away but i wasn't reducing the amount of fat that i was eating
that was my experience anyway were you eating all at the same time as well or were you sort of
at different times no like like two or three times a day yeah but you can but you were consistently
eating sort of at similar times yeah and then you just sort of yeah and then after a while
yeah it could be you know it's i i haven't you know i don't know if anyone has really
looked at it maybe they have you know but i it would stand to reason that they would that your
body would sort of adapt and you know if you're if you're used to not getting a lot of fat for a
long time your body's like just going to keep making bodies again it's efficient and so forth
but you know then i don't think that it will make more than is is physiologically good for you
to absorb fat you know what it means like you know you the amount of body that you have
equals the amount of fat that you can absorb yes and i don't think you generally don't find
your body doing something that's out of bounds physiologically you know you don't make
a unless you've damaged your thalamus you know you don't make a fever that's going
to damage your brain yeah that's right you couldn't train your body to produce like liters
of bile i don't know why you would want to no no unless you had some joint disease
or something like that sensory reason yeah so i tend to just listen to my body in that
in that sense i i trust my body knows how much fat it wants and so i just you know eat accordingly
um you know people might have different uh sort of genetic issues that that would make them
produce a different amount of bile than they need maybe these are the people some of the people
that are getting more bile stones than others because they just produce much more it's hard
to say but the vast majority of people can just you know their body sort of recommends to them
if you know sort of how to read read the signs yeah thank you you're welcome
question is are you full carnival into you what does full carnival mean uh yeah i am um
so so for me that just means i just eat you know meat salt water um any meat is fine i don't
really i don't really care i just generally touch uh generally beef so i just tell people you
know eat the meat that you enjoy that makes you feel the best and you know that you can afford
you know if that's an issue for me that's beef i always feel best when i eat beef i'll eat you
know pork and chicken sometimes and fish whatever um and eggs but i always feel the best when i'm
on beef yeah most delicious as well yeah yeah it is yeah and you know i mentioned
dr salisbury before he found that um that for his patients as well back in the 1800s
that that beef was definitely the best as well that lamb was uh was was sort of a distant second
but that the red meats were definitely the best as far as you know nutritional content and
so forth so yeah as i was saying i've been very very strict carnivore since probably february
2018 when i got back from doing humanitarian work in bangladesh and just a quick one on that how
did you learn bangladesh uh being semi-carnival oh well those people always been very meat centric
and you know they did have meat and so i would just generally just eat sort of but i wasn't
thinking about the context of like don't eat plants plants or poisonous and so forth at that
time i always sort of had that because you know 20 years ago when i was taking cancer biology we
learned how poisonous plants were and how harmful they were and i stopped eating all plants then
it was inadvertently a full carnivore for five years at that point then sort of slipped off of
it but i was always very plant avoidant and carb avoided and so forth because of that um so i would
i would you know when there's there's sort of food available generally the meat part of it and try
to you know avoid the carbs and avoid the you know vegetables and so forth just because i don't
like vegetables and um and also you know i should tell you something evolutionarily like why would
we hate the taste of something that we evolved on you know the bitter taste is is significant
you know our sense of taste is very important uh to our survival you notice something that's
bitter that is your brain and your tongue telling you this this contains something that's bad for
you that bitter taste is something bad for you so you should listen to that you know there are
things that are you know that taste good that aren't good for us like sugar that's an outlier
people people think that fructose is quite sweet because um it's uh you know we don't know of any
any plants that contain fructose that are acutely poisonous for humans and it'll kill you that day
so we recognize this as a safe quick hit of energy until we can get our normal food but you know
taken long term it does more even short term it does it does some serious changes to your body
that you don't really want and you know if you do that daily it compounds quite significantly
you have type 2 diabetes heart disease things like that so yeah so in bangladesh i wasn't i
wasn't um but it would be easy i mean there there was meat available i would just i would just
only sort of eat that and i sort of you know end up just sort of eating whatever just
because you know you're in the camps for the refugee camps yeah for you know like 16 hours
sometimes and or even overnight sometimes and um you know you just sort of eat what you can get
basically uh now knowing that i would actually it's actually easier now when i only eat meat
because i i eat fatty meat until i'm full i'm generally not hungry for 24 or 30 hours and
um even if i am hungry and i go like oh wow you know steak really sounds good i really like to eat
but you know i want them on call at the hospital and so forth i was like well i got three surgeries
lined up and i'm gonna be working tomorrow so i'm probably not gonna be able to eat for another
24 hours my body just goes right that's okay and i'm not panicked and freaking out because
my body can see my leptin you know the leptin is produced by your fat cells and that goes
to your brain to tell it your brain how much energy you have so you know if you're not
eating carbohydrates you're not eating sugar uh which block leptin insulin blocks leptin so
if your insulin is up because you're getting carbohydrates it blocks leptin so your brain
doesn't see that you have energy so it gets panicked and say oh you have to you have to eat
uh my brain can see the leptin so it doesn't get panicked you know it was like well you're not
gonna die should be fine so generally do you eat once a day twice a day what works for you uh
it just depends so if i'm eating fattier meat i i'm more satiated because you're getting more
nutrition right so if you have you know a kilo of lean beef and a kilo of 50 50 beef and fat by
weight the 50 50 one has three times the calorie nutrition as the lean beef right so it's the same
weight but you're getting three times nutrition so your body's gonna want more of the lean beef
because you need you need more of the nutrients and also you're not gonna get the fat your body
really does want fat you know animals in the wild get about 78 of the calories from fat and so
you know that that's an important part of that um so i find that if i'm eating sort of
more lean i eat more you know pounds of steak more kilo more weight of steak and and
you know because i have a finite amount of room in my stomach i'll end up eating more times
during that day if i'm eating fattier stuff it's much less and it's actually you know as far as as
far as uh you know cost is concerned you know so maybe a fatty cut is maybe a little more expensive
than the lean cut depending on what you do some quite a lot of fatty things like you know like
you know chuck sticks and things like that much cheaper yeah yeah and they're
very good fat content yeah um but let's say it's more expensive you know
it's a few dollars more expensive a kilo well you're getting three times the value for your
dollar nutritionally if it's you know 50 sort of thing you know that's those are really raw figures
but you know you figure so so something's you know twice the price that you're like all right well
maybe it's kind of equivalent but you know if it's a few dollars more you're actually getting more
more bang for your buck with the fattiness and also like you know like we said like in a chuck
stick and things like that are generally cheaper so yeah so if i'm getting fatter feet i
generally don't eat as much if i'm working out a lot if i you know i'm blessed to have the
time to actually go to the gym i i will tend my body will want more energy and that that's pretty
simple so you know during code when i wasn't able to work out or go to the gym i was generating
about a kilo of steak a day when i was able to get back into the gym and start lifting i was you
know i made sure that i could go to the gym sort of four days a week at least and i was lifting
quite hard back on my sort of professional lifting program that i had when i was when i was playing
professionally and i ended up literally doubling that so i would have basically two yeah two kilos
a day um sometimes maybe maybe a bit more throwing some eggs or something like that but i also
just was stacking on weight as well i put on i was gonna put it on i was 92 kilos at the end
when the gyms opened back up in perth and then in about five weeks four or five weeks i was 105
kilos you know and same body fat percentage yeah so your body had kind of just adapted to less
exercise less stimulus and yeah just reverted back to a lighter fun yeah well i'd been like that
for a while because i hadn't been really working out that much anyway just because work was very
busy but then when i couldn't go to the gym it really bothered me so i just that was just like
the whole time i was just chomping at the bit i was just like okay as soon as these gyms open like
i'm going after it and just making making the time and uh so you know i had obviously
a big response obviously that hadn't been working out a long time you get a lot of
beginner gains and things like that you know there's a lot of room to improve there you
know sort of hit around you know 110 now and i'm sure i could get higher than that i know he
could but um with the amount that i'm able to work out that seems to be where i'm sort of stabilized
that desperate to become heavier in any way so do you prefer to eat in the middle day at
the end of the day at the start of the day i generally prefer to eat at the end of the day
just because you know when you're in this i've always in in rugby i always played hungry that was
something i noticed early on and and intermittent fasting people sort of noticed this as well when
you notice this but i think most people don't notice that yeah before i was playing sports you
know like a honey sandwich to try and get that little buzz oh yeah as you're running out and then
second quarter or second half you're absolutely cool so yeah yeah i think you discovered this
stuff that you know yeah well i got well yeah i guess i was lucky to figure that out yeah i would
even notice that i'd feel better if i didn't eat dinner the night before wow and then i wouldn't i
just wouldn't eat the entire day i never ate on a game day because you know if i ever ate i i would
notice right away like i wasn't as good because i i've played hungry many times i noticed how that
went and then if you know if i'd eat i'd be like well i feel like crap i don't have energy and
certainly not to the same extent if i'm playing like a tournament or seventh term or something
like that like god forbid you eat something then you may be good for like one game like you're a
honey sandwich or something but yeah like you're screwed yeah and you know you're sort of chasing
that you know glucose insulin spikes and things like that um so i always played hungry anyway
and um that always made me feel better um and so i would eat sort of afterwards i always noticed
that and so i noticed that when i'm sort of on an empty stomach you have that more like hunter
mentality you're like i have to go get my kill i have to go you have you you're hyper attuned
you know you've got energy bodies producing like you have to go get your kill you have to
go get your food and then when you get that your body's like it turns into you know rest and
digest metabolism say okay we've got the energy we don't need to expend anymore you want to conserve
nature is all about conservation it's all about you know being very very efficient so it doesn't
want you to your nature your biology doesn't want you to expend energy unnecessarily so while
you're going to get your food for that day you're yeah your your body's giving you the energy
that you need to go get this done and as soon as you get that done and you eat until you're
full your body goes chill out so i notice that where i feel better during the day if i just
you know go throughout my day yeah exactly and then when i eat to satiation i'm like i'm just
i'm ready for bed you know i just want to like pass out and i sleep you know like a baby if i
were to eat during there sometimes i am like you know when i'm working out heavily whatever i'll
probably eat twice a day i notice that i feel much better if i don't quite eat as much as i want to
you know i'll still have that a bit of that fight left in me whereas if it's like you know 10 in the
morning or breakfast something like that you like a big meal then i'm just like i'm just very hungry
i'm just like oh i just don't want to do anything i'm not i don't feel like bloated i don't
feel bad i just i just feel very relaxed very calm i'd have no pressure to go out holiday
disease yeah you just like you just feel good you just want to chill out yeah yeah and are you
into bone broth or organs or anything like that i you know i don't eat those myself yeah um but
they're fine you know organs are great you don't need them uh i know different people say that you
do but you don't you know the us don't eat the the organs and so forth they feed those to the
dogs we've known that for 100 years uh at least and uh you know different polar explorers that
went up there that's that's interesting because we often get told that our ignorance and native
people go straight for the liver maybe maybe maybe they eat some of that sometimes but um that's not
for you no yeah i know i mean i i eat it sometimes but uh smaller shawn baker approach really i think
he's pretty much you know kilo kilometers a day um and he's obviously doing very well yeah yeah so
i i think yeah i think it's probably more on the two kilos a day sort of thing just because you
know he's uh you know i'm six three he's six five and he's heavier than i am and uh and he
works out like a champ every single day yeah you know so his body's gonna be wanting a lot of
that that energy and uh when i when i'm able to do heavy workouts my body wants that too it's
just like giving it a give it but then i don't always get the chance to do that and so i
don't always have that hunger drive either yeah that's amazing all right yeah well thanks
dr jackie's yeah street carnivore mainly steak funny steak when you can get it generally
once a day yeah i'd like to eat towards the latter end i find that i feel better doing that
and one thing i will say about about fat content and so forth um one thing that i've noticed with
myself and with you know patients and so forth is that you know people don't know how much fat fat
to eat and they generally think when i say that you eat a lot of fat they think just eat more
fat than they have before that oh that's a lot of fat and in fact they're actually getting
quite a poor um percentage still not enough a lot of these people yeah a lot of people
would would not really get a lot of fat and they'll notice that because they're saying
well i'm getting really constipated i'm getting really constipated so how conservation
works in my view is that it's it's not actually you know no one was having no one needed fiber
before the 1980s that was another thing i've said with fibrous like oh you should eat fiber
to move things through very quickly and so forth and it's just like why didn't we need these
before 1986 you know why was everybody fine before that without any any fiber or so forth or
minimal fiber because that's because they had fat in their diet it's actually fat that moves your
digestion so your body um it's very difficult for your body to absorb fat without bile okay
that's the purpose of bile people say well that's another argument why are people saying
that fat's bad for you if you have four organs working in concert just to absorb fat your
liver makes bile your gallbladder absorbs it or stores it and then secretes it when you have it
and then your pancreas sets out enzymes break it down and your small intestine absorbs it okay so
four organs working together just to absorb fat you know that's a lot of energy expenditure
from your body and from your evolutionary standpoint to absorb something that's really bad
for you that your body doesn't want that doesn't make any sense so it's quite hard for your body
to absorb this without bowel your liver makes you about 800 to 1000 mils of bile a day makes it
very very slowly sort of slowly dripping out and people have their gallbladder removed it just sort
of drips out slowly into their to their intestines so when it goes into your gallbladder it you
know stays there and when you eat something fatty it sort of expresses this stuff out okay and and
then your body is able to absorb the fat with that okay then people avoid fat and so forth um and
that you know can cause gallstones and problems because this is sitting there and you know it
concentrates people realize that it doesn't just doesn't just sit there it's normal concentration
actually normally can concentrate up to 20 times some people might concentrate more than that but
what happens to um you know a solution that's a hyper concentrated solution at rest it's going to
form precipitating crystal that's what you know bile sludges that's what gallstones are generally
people say like oh this is because you ate too much fat that's why you have these sorts of things
but generally you'll find is the people that have gone on a diet to lose fat and they've stopped
eating fat for months so that's the opposite it's the opposite yeah and so then all of a sudden
they start eating fat again like oh that hurts and they go to the doctor because they go because now
they have because yeah because now it's trying to squeeze out fat and the stone gets stuck yeah and
stone gets stuck in there because it's formed a crystal and they go to the doctrine oh and he goes
yeah you know you have gallstones that's because you eat too much fat big fat [ __ ] you know it's
just like no actually you know it's because they didn't eat fat and that's exactly what it is you
see this in people that that uh have bariatric surgery as well um they have a they have a very
accident yeah they're taking out part of their stomach and their and their small intestine to
basically make it very difficult for them to eat okay and so you know when we show radical weight
loss solutions sort of things and so yeah exactly yeah that sort of thing um and then these sorts of
people have a massive massive rate of gallstones and i've heard people say it's like well you know
that that when people lose weight really fast it does something changes their metabolism some way
and somehow and gets these stones we don't really know why and you'll talk to these people because
they're so desperate to lose weight they go through this extremely dangerous and difficult and
painful surgery and it's very you know it's not a nice recovery and um and they're very varied
of their or i'm not going to you know eat fat because they want to lose fat so they're really
really really serious about this and so they just stop eating off that because that's what
they're told and i've heard a number of people got to get told that they have gallstones
and they're just their incense they're like look that can't be true that can't be possible
because i haven't eaten anything in months you know i just want something like that that's why
you have gold stones so biles for absorbing fat when you eat fat as you're supposed to secretes it
out there but this is a finite resource again this is just dripping out very slowly going around 800
milliliters a day right so it's coming out very slowly your liver is not just making a whole bunch
of it you want to go it just steadily makes it and so you run out okay well what happens when
you run out and you have more fat then you have bile for that time your body will keep making bile
after that but right now you're out of bile right well that fat can't get absorbed really there's
something something that can't go to a low degree and so it'll get excreted okay well fat repels
oil repels water right fat repels water so it's already dehydrated you know the whole argument
for why you should eat fiber is because it will remove things quickly before it gets too dried
out the whole point of your large intestine is to dry it out you want to bring that water
back in you're not trying to just waste water you know everyone you have to think of these
things your body's going to be efficient you know and so anything that's inefficient in wasting
water wasting nutrients you have fiber so that you don't absorb food so that you don't get calories
so that you you expel water when you don't need to that that's not a recipe for survival in the
wild you know during during really rough times so you're supposed to be absorbing the water and
when there's fat in your feces in your stools it can absorb all the water it wants but the fat
is still in there to keep it soft okay so that can stay in your cola until christmas it's still
not gonna it's not gonna get any drier than it is and it's gonna stay soft so that's how you know
how much fat you're getting if you're if you're gonna absorb 98 99 of the meat that you eat if you
don't eat fiber and and screw the whole deal up so you're going to excrete much less because
you're actually absorbing you know waste is which a lot of people find when they first do
kind of what they're amazed that they're not doing number two well that's it they are they're tiny
it's like a rabbit yeah exactly and and they think that oh this this means i'm constipated this means
i can't pay this this is that well no actually it's good it means you're absorbing everything
you know it's it's when it's dry and hard you know that's that's uh yeah that that's constipation
not just low frequency you know when you know outside of this way of eating you know if you
have low frequency it's probably because you're constipated because things are dry and
hard not moving very fast but the actual definition of that is is dry hard stools and so
you can get dry hard swords but you'll get them because you don't need enough fat because
your body's absorbing absolutely every ounce of fat that you have because you have a
surplus of bile to fat and so none of the fat or very little bits getting through right
and so if you have a little bit excess then things are going to be soft if you have a lot
excess you know things will get you know more more slippery but like you know it was like
when um joe rogan didn't know i just yeah yeah he's got an explosive diarrhea yeah yeah so he
over overweight but the thing is that but he wasn't sick that's not an infection you know you
know what i mean it's not bad for you it's just inconvenience yeah yeah and so you know it's not
actually harmful thing and if you like what you're eating and you don't really mind the effects well
then it doesn't really matter it's not harming you uh and if you don't like that then you just pull
back pull back the fat a bit yeah exactly so you know exactly how much fat you're getting based on
that but also my ryan's saying that your body will you it will learn to produce more vital is that
problem i've never seen the studies as that it could be it felt like that for me i felt like
you know uh the diarrhea went away but i wasn't reducing the amount of fat that i was eating
that was my experience anyway were you eating all at the same time as well or were you sort of
at different times no like like two or three times a day yeah but you can but you were consistently
eating sort of at similar times yeah and then you just sort of yeah and then after a while
yeah it could be you know it's i i haven't you know i don't know if anyone has really
looked at it maybe they have you know but i it would stand to reason that they would that your
body would sort of adapt and you know if you're if you're used to not getting a lot of fat for a
long time your body's like just going to keep making bodies again it's efficient and so forth
but you know then i don't think that it will make more than is is physiologically good for you
to absorb fat you know what it means like you know you the amount of body that you have
equals the amount of fat that you can absorb yes and i don't think you generally don't find
your body doing something that's out of bounds physiologically you know you don't make
a unless you've damaged your thalamus you know you don't make a fever that's going
to damage your brain yeah that's right you couldn't train your body to produce like liters
of bile i don't know why you would want to no no unless you had some joint disease
or something like that sensory reason yeah so i tend to just listen to my body in that
in that sense i i trust my body knows how much fat it wants and so i just you know eat accordingly
um you know people might have different uh sort of genetic issues that that would make them
produce a different amount of bile than they need maybe these are the people some of the people
that are getting more bile stones than others because they just produce much more it's hard
to say but the vast majority of people can just you know their body sort of recommends to them
if you know sort of how to read read the signs yeah thank you you're welcome