Why Glyphosate Is DESTROYING Your Health! | Dr Stephanie Seneff

welcome to the plant-free MD podcast with Dr Anthony chaffy where we discuss diet and nutrition and how this affects health and chronic disease and show you how you can use this to optimize your health and happiness both mentally and physically hello everyone thank you for joining me for another episode of the plant-free MD podcast I'm your host Dr Anthony chaffy and today I have a very special guest Professor Stephanie seni from MIT who's joining us over from Hawaii uh Professor seni thank you so much uh for coming on the show thank you so much for having me I just want to correct you Dr senth um I'm not a professor I'm a research scientist senior research scientist my oh sorry well Dr sen apologies for that but no problem but yeah but you you've done quite a lot of very interesting research and and what and and what I think is a very compelling argument for everything that we've talking about in in this podcast of diet lifestyle and health and how this all comes together from a biological perspective so uh for people that haven't come across your work can you tell us a bit about you in your research sure I guess I can give you a brief history because it's I have an interesting career which started off with all my degrees of from MIT undergraduate in biology uh three higher degrees including of course PhD from MIT and then I've worked at MIT all my life so I'm very much MIT born and bred and um yeah I love the place so um but my research for most of my career was on uh developing uh computer capabilities to communicate with humans using natural language precursors to Amazon Echo and and the Siri platform so those uh that field finally became commoditized and at that point I really was useless in that field because the industry had throwing lots of money and hiring lots of people in a little lab and MIT couldn't compete so I had to find something else to do and um and I was very interested in autism so I was this was around 2007 I was concerned about the autism rates going up every year you know now it's one and 36 and we're just diagnosing it more which I absolutely don't believe and so I wanted to figure out what was causing the autism epidemic and um I looked for five years before I Came Upon glyphosate which is the active ingredient in Roundup uh it's a pervasive herbicide it's in all the food supply and um and I believe it is the primary cause of the autism epidemic at this point and so I've written about that published peer-reviewed papers on that topic wow yeah and so and so you you've done quite a lot of work on on gly in general what what are some of the ways that that glyphosate can be involved to to precipitate autism and other diseases yeah it's it's quite an interesting biological story that I've gotten completely hooked on and I'm still furiously reading the research you know papers to try to figure it all out because it's it's really I think I'm on to something really important and um and it's an overlooked aspect of glyphosate toxicity that's causing it to be much more toxic than we realize and lately papers have been coming out left and right there there was one just just came out on mice that showed it was causing Dementia in the mice um a brand new paper um it's causing I think Al Alzheimer's and Dementia have a lot in common and um and of course it disrupts the gut microbiome it um it affects an enzyme they focused on one enzyme in the chicken May pathway uh which is famously disrupted by glyphosate that's a pathway to plants it's also in the gut microbes and human cells don't have the entire pathway so how could they be affected by that enzyme that doesn't exist in our cells it's a good story but it's not true in part because of course we depend on our microbes for a whole lot of stuff and they get disrupted by glyphosate and then things go south and that's sort of the beginning of how things get bad but glyphosate's a slow kill and so they have designed the studies to only go for three months and sarini showed in a study on rats that if you had a low dose glyphosate Expos them to that chronically throughout their lifespan and at 3 months they were looking good there wasn't any obvious difference between the two the control and the treated rats that after four months they started to see problems and by the end of their life they had a lot of issues uh kidney problems liver problems um reproductive issues females had massive memory tumors you know there's a lot of evidence of harm but it took a long time and that's part of why we haven't been able to see that it's toxic because it it its feature has a slow kill I believe yeah absolutely and that's part of the problem navigating the literature is that you have some some sometimes intentionally dishonest papers where they use you know retrospective end points they say oh well things sort of went wrong around month four so let's just cap it at month three I wonder if they actually noticed that and decided to set up that rule in order to keep it keep the public from knowing what was going on they also said if if don't see uh damage at a higher dose you don't have to look at a lower dose the dose makes the poison and that's not correct either glyphosate is actually more toxic at very low doses it acts like an endocrine disruptor when it gets into the higher doses it doesn't get into the cell as easily and so they can trick you into thinking that right it's okay when in fact it isn't well that that's very interesting too because that I mean so many people would would go fall back on that uh that saying that dose makes the poison so um that's very interesting that lower lower doses so I I I've heard you talk about how glyphosate can get into like rain water it can get into to other sorts in certain areas and so even at low doses that that can actually cause more of a problem do do you know do we know why that is or does it once it gets up to higher doses is it is it toxic in other ways or is sort of a different yeah I I I don't know I I know that that this's this peculiar property of these endocrine disruptors that when they are at these low doses they're at the uh at the physiological level that the competitor and you know the actual hormone operates at so then they become uh they able to attach to the receptor for the hormone that they're pretending to be like an endocrine disruptor would be like estrogen would be pretending to be estrogen and then they of course confuse the system because it's an estrogen that's not supposed to be there it's a fake estrogen that's causing odd things to happen in the way that hormones work and so I think um and I don't know I've wondered myself because it does seem quite surprising you know that the low dose would be more toxic than the high dose and I have a feeling it may have something to do with when the concentration is small enough that it it somehow is a better able to get into the cell or things can be different with high concentrations versus low concentrations as far as how biochemistry works you know yeah interesting not a very satisfying answer I don't I don't really know enough and I wish I did because it's it's super um surprising really it is well and you know and I mean just the important thing is is was what we observe and if it if we do observe it to be more of an endocrine disruptor at lower levels it'll be interesting to find out how that is but we at least know that it is I I don't know exactly how it is maybe there are some experts who know better than I do but I haven't been able to figure that out but it is very interesting because you know they'll say that well glyphosate you know it breaks down and it doesn't get into your it's not supposed to get in the food supply but we know that's wrong they've tested Breads and things like that thousands of times more glyphosate than it should it's so prevalent that it's getting washed out getting into the water supply and getting the water table and things like that so this is something that as you say if it can affect us at at these low doses maybe even more severely than at high doses then that's something that's obviously very much a concern worldwide and so something people need to really think about I I was really interested in one of the interviews that you had and you were talking about some of the barriers that you faced in publishing your gastate research um that's not publishing sort of misleading papers with retrospective sort of end points that that serve industry purposes people can get their heads around that but these other barriers to to people like yourself they're actually trying to put out you know very Earnest and honest uh Publications seem to be meeting barriers as well it's not just like oh well there's this competition yeah there's some bad studies but you know the good good studies should win out that's not necessarily the case is it right well the industry I think has a very um committed effort to try to make sure that papers that their chemicals in bad light don't get published I think they have a big system out there to make sure that's the case and and I've experienced what I suspect is going on is with the industry realizing there's a paper under review I mean I had a paper that got um uh the reviewers came back and it looked like we could handle the reviews and then we submitted the revised version and then we another reviewer appeared out of nowhere and hated the paper and would wouldn't accept it no matter what and so they they eventually rejected it so it there's some odd things that go on you know behind the closed doors and you don't know it's hard to really you know find it right because they're trying to keep it secret so I just really feel that that sort of thing is going on they they there's a collusion between the industry and and the and the publisher and the publisher of course gets lots of funding often from by from the pharmaceutical industry from the agrochemical industry so they it's in their best interest not to you know reveal the product in bad light if that's where they're getting their funding so a lot of them in fact they you know the sugarcane industry was funding the research in Florida to find out why the am manatees were so sick and I think it's glyphosate that's poisoning the manatees and uh so the sugarcane industry uses glyphosate to to uh as a as a desicant as a as it um what is it called it's a it increases the sugar yield in in the in the cane and they use it right before Harvest to do that um and of course the sugar can is all around the waterways where the menate live and so I suspect they have a very big interest in making sure that uh glyphosate is not thought of as possibly being a reason why the manatees are sick yeah which is which is quite concerning the the idea that you know the funding that comes from these papers I don't think many people realize how impactful that is I we see this in the media as well that if you have a the different Industries like the pharmaceutical industry or the food industry as the major sponsors for a news program program for instance these news the heads of these news programs have have said it's like well yeah we can't we can't really you can't really offend our our advertisers so we have to be careful about you know what we what we put out there and then and then you know they might even be pressured to put out counterarguments U as well and so not just reporting the news the the scary part is is that you know that that's getting into the the academic journals and so now the academic journals are compromised as well which is which is quite frightening um there was so do you find that in general that it's very difficult to to get your papers publish or is it just sort of here and there no it's very difficult I um often bounced without review right very difficult right so are you are you able to get them in in other journals or there a number of I have gotten them published I mean I persist sometimes you have to submit it to several journals before one finally uh accepts it but I I persist um and of course my work is um it's theoretical like I don't have a lab and it's hypothetical I mean I I have creative ideas about what's happening that are kind of radical you could say and so there's reasons I mean those are reasons because the mainstream tends to be very conservative about it's kind of frustrating for me because you can't really break through the Paradigm the research Paradigm is stove piped and then individual uh researchers don't know anything about that other field over there but actually they need to because it relates to what they're doing you know you can't see the big picture because you're FOC focused in the in the trees you know you can't see the forest for the trees type of thing for the individual researchers I believe I'm very broad I'm sort of trying to look at all of biology and figure out what's going on because it looks to me like we're really sick and something's causing that and I need to understand what it is of course the autism is a good example um and we've got you know Rising rates of obesity and diabetes and Alzheimer's and various Cancers and we have a lot of of issues with our health as you know in America right now we're very sick really um and it's getting worse I think it's getting worse more quickly even accelerating and so I'm very concerned about you know the next generation of children because they're so sick um this generation just has so many health issues it becomes scary to actually have a child you know because you don't know what kind of problems you're going to face with a child so that that's very disturbing to me so I want to get to the bottom of what's causing us to be so sick and I do believe glyphosate's a major player we got a lot of other chemicals that we're exposed to and and we don't know you know really which ones but I I would put my money on glyphosate it's really um very common in the food and my friends at hyut has been testing various foods for glyphosate she's coming up with 100% of the samples are positive typically like in the fast food industry school lunches you know she's um she's and it's just a it's worrisome that we're exposed to so much glyphosate in this country wow that yeah that's that's pretty pretty crazy 100% of these samples uh are yeah I think it was 95% of the school and 100% of the fast food oh goodness so what is it what is it then um what have you found what is some of the evidences that you found that make you think that glyphosate is really a causitive factor in a lot of these chronic diseases and like autism hey everyone really happy to announce a new sponsor for the show for everybody down in Australia Stockman staks who are delivering highquality grass-fed and finished pasture raised beef and other meat flash frozen and vacuum sealed tood door something I've been enjoying a lot of myself recently as well they also have a great range of specialty items such as high fat keto mints and carnivore beef and organs mints with liver kidneys and beef heartart as well so use code cha today for a free order of beef mints or another specialty gift along with your order at Stockman steaks.com DOA and I'll see you over there thanks guys yeah well of course gut disbiosis has become a major um topic of discussion these days and the link between gut dysbiosis and brain dysbiosis if you will you know so gut brain axis and how the gut when the gut microbes are imbalance the it affects the brain there's a lot of communication between the gut microbes and the brain and the gut microbes do a lot more for the host than we had realized you know this is what we're realizing now there's lots and lots of papers coming out really complicated papers that study the gut microbiome of people who have um Parkinson's disease you know looking at relationships with autism which microbes are ere expressed which ones are are suppressed you know it's a it's a very complicated and messy space and it's quite hard to to figure out what the real story is there but you know in my book I have my book toxic Legacy um I thought I had it over here but I don't but anyway toxic Legacy weiller glyphosate oh yeah it's in the back yeah you can see it up there how the weed killer glyphosate is destroying our health and and the environment and in that book I have a chapter on the gut which took me a long time to write because I had to do a lot of research and feel like I came up with a pretty good story uh for how it uh how it disrupts the balance of the microbes end up causing ultimately causing autism but it starts with you know inflammatory gut inflammatory bowel disease um insufficient uh supply of um short chain fatty acids to the colonocytes which are the cells that line the colon and um so the that you get when you get the inflammation in the gut and then it actually you get a leaky gut and now things get out shouldn't get out and they travel to the brain and even uh things that are produced by pathogens in the gut are signaling molecules that go to the brain and cause inflammation in the brain so the autism has kind of a chronic lowgrade inflammation in the brain that's causing the neurons to misbehave you know the way that they act and that's causing um cognitive issues and things like that yeah I I was sort of yeah I've been very curious about the microbiome and how this this plays a role and um I I I wonder it's completely random but I I wonder if there's any any research out looking at people who had like a total colectomy for C colitis or something like that and they sort of may not have much of a microbiome left how that affects the rest of the body the brain as well have you you may probably haven't I haven't but that would be a good thing to look at if there's no colon what happens to the brain right you would think because Lots goes on in the colon and it's a really important and you know they're providing nutrients for the colonocytes but then they're also providing nutrients for the rest of the body as well and um and they um and they critically depend upon minerals that glyphosate keates so glyphosate for example keeps manganese away from the lactobacillus and they critically depend upon manganese for their health so the lactobacillus get sick and they are able to help the U the host to to metabolize certain proteins that have lots of proline in them and Proline is a tricky amino acid to break apart from the chain and so uh the microbes produce enzymes that help to do that so if the microbes aren't producing enough of those enzymes the proteins don't get broken down you have these peptides short peptides that are allergenic and they can cause things like celiac disease you know like from weed so you have weed it has a lot of proline in it you can't digest the proline because you don't have enough lactobacillus and then you get these pep tibes you get the leaky gut which has been shown experimentally the glyphosate sets up a leaky gut those peptides get out into circulation the mean cells get really mad at that situ they don't like that and they develop antibodies and those antibodies are are actually through something called molecular mimicry they can attack human proteins you know and for example mess up the thyroid yeah so that is that is that the connection between glyphosate and autoimmunity as well as through that that leaky cut pathway I think so yeah well I think the combination of not being able to break down the proteins because the proteins you know foreign proteins your immune cells have learned to recognize the human proteins and they're happy they see human Protein that's fine but if they see a foreign protein they recognize it's this is not human it's not supposed to be here and that's what causes them to produce the antibodies to try to clear them and then this and this whole business of medic memur is really fascinating because it ends up um attacking body tissues when there's it's it's an interesting question to ask why that's a good idea but I I don't know the biology could seem to figure out how to design things differently but there's this really intricate process that goes on with immunity to recognize what's me and what not me you know and particularly with proteins yeah I remember I remember that from I've been thinking about the autoimmune issue as well um recently it was thinking back to my um under I took you know an Immunology class um it was it was a graduate level class I just took as upper upper Division Credit and um yeah it went through that how you how your body the immune cells are tested against every single antigen um that your body can so fascinating the training that goes on early in life and and you know that the thymus is very much involved in preparing the immune system for the future and it and it gets exposed to all these human things when you're little and then it actually shrivels up over time as you get older it becomes much tinier and actually the rate at which it shrives up is an indicator of Aging so if it shrivels faster you're growing older faster in general because your immune system is getting sicker and sicker as it shinks you know and there are various chemicals that will shrink it and I suspect you know glyphosate is probably one of them because it's just sort of over stressing the immune system and causing accelerated immune aging yeah absolutely and then you know you think of things like um you know with Celiac you that can be like gluten mediated um and I've saw in in some uh textbooks that even when when you remove glyphosate or sorry gluten um you know the the inyes can heal and and the gut can heal itself but the antibodies stay elevated for up to 3 years and and yet they're not causing damage when the gluten comes in that that has that so I sort of thought well maybe it's that that complex of the gluten on the surface antigens maybe that's attacking that complex and recognize that that is foreign but then when you remove that then it's not attacking itself and I wondered if that is something that you know may be precipitated in other forms um of autoimmunity as well because when we go to like a Elimination Diet like a carnivore diet I've seen in my patient population uh quite often though well almost every time the every time I've seen anyway the uh autoimmune issues really dampen down and even even when the antibodies are still elevated now over time over a year or two years those antibodies will come down like with Hashimoto or Graves but the symptoms will start to alleviate before that as well and I wonder if that's you mediated I like that idea that um because the I think the um and whether whether the um exposure to the to the thing that triggered those antibodies in the first place that the cells that have those antibodies recognize that it's there and so they ramp up it's possible right that they produce more because they see oh there's gluten I need to have more and so they start making more antibod it's possible right I'm not sure if that's true or not but yeah makes sense to me yeah but right also with the antibody binding to something and making something else that's more toxic yeah yeah and yeah but it's um you know I think it again like you say it it comes down to the leaky gut if you don't have a leaky gut then these lectin and toxins and glyphosat-prozess with the sort of research I understand that that you've now looking at at glyphosate obviously huge roles that that plays but you've also recently got into uh studying dyum as well with a mutual friend of ours uh um Dr boros um what got you interested in in that line of research and what sort of made that that Dr Bros did did he it definitely was Dr BS yeah he sent me an I still remember I was uh so intrigued he sent me a bind email December 2019 just before covid hit and he he he was complimenting me on a paper that I had written he enjoyed that paper said great paper and he said oh by the way duum kind of that's what his message was do you know about duum and I was like no so yeah I mean I know what it is because I've had chemistry but I had no idea that it had any effect whatsoever in biology I was really uh surprised um and so he he jump I jumped into a rabbit hole I mean I was just like wow this is so amazing because I immediately recognized after a little bit of Investigation I recognized that the the enzymes that I believe glyphosate is messing up and in fact the research has shown for many of these enzymes that I'm targeting glyphosate suppresses them like in the in the microbes and things like that or even the soil by bacteria and those enzymes are actually very important uh for maintaining a low duum in the mitochondria so again it's the microbes serving the host um to help to keep duum out of mitochondria the mitochondria are the uh a little organel in the cells that make HP so they're the energy they make most of the energy the cell gets in the form of HP and um those atpa pumps uh depend on hydrogen hydrogen motive Force as the energy that drives the pump and so these are protons actually that are traveling through the pumps and so uh deuterons are in the mix because they Dum is heavy hydrogen and deuteron is is the heavy hydrogen version of a proton so it has an extra neut which makes it twice as heavy as hydrogen and it's natural it's everywhere in nature um but the body has really I think it's de developed extremely exotic and intricate mechanisms to maintain low derium in the mitochondria in order to make sure those atpa pumps stay healthy and so when when that it doesn't succeed in keeping the detarium levels low you get extra reactive oxygen species being Spilled Out from mitochondria which of course damages the cell tissues and you get inefficient production of HP so too bad things come out of too much duum in the mitochondria and so so the body works really hard on keeping it out and and the and the microbes work really hard on keeping it out of the host cells in fact part of how they do that is by sequestering it so it's quite interesting piling up duum inside the the microb in order to keep it away from the host you know as a service to the host oh very good so really interesting yeah that is very interesting and it's very interesting how can separate it out from just from the individual organel and in the different cells as well uh very very intricate um it would have to be um so what are some of the the the roles and that that that altered layers levels of duum can can play in in disease yeah well I guess what I should say question duum has to be um managed in the cell it's kind of like iron in a way you know Iron can be both talk and deficient at the same time if your body's not managing it well so the body has these special um proteins or different molecules that can keate iron and transport it to different places and deliver it you know carefully packaged up so that it's not going to cause any damage along the way because iron is very reactive and then it sort of opens up and delivers it to the to the enzyme that needs the iron in order to do its job and so all these metals are like that most of the metals are both can be both toxic and deficient depending upon how the body man manages them and I think the same thing is true for detarium so it's kind of like a metal it's not a metal but in that sense it's kind of like a metal and um the uh microbes so what I believe is that the microbes are making those short chain fatty acids that I mentioned that that feed the um the colonocytes the colonocytes love a short chain fatty acid called butyrate you probably know about butyrate yeah yeah so it's a fat but it's a small fat it's got only four carbons um a little fat as opposed to those long chains like aconic acid um but the but the colonocytes love that as their favorite food and the M microbes make it for them and the way they make it is extremely interesting because they they start with um some organic molecule something like glucose or formate you know some kind of small organic molecule and then they have the microbes have enzymes that can make hydrogen gas by extracting protons from these organic molecules they make hydrogen gas so you get floated you know if you get too much hydrogen gas in your gut you'll feel and methane as well right you've got hydrogen and methane Su hydrogen sulfide those are all gases that are produced by the microbes and they can cause floating and discomfort if you if you can't sort of turn them back into organic matter and the microbes have a bunch of enzymes that can convert take that hydrogen hydrogen gas and use it as a reducing agent to reduce carbon dioxide to make organic matter again so methane of course is a famous one it's another gas that the cows are you know spewing out methane and causing Cal global climate change supposedly you know yeah um that that that might be because they're being exposed to glyphosate because the methane um the the enzymes that can convert the methane into more practical non- gases that could become food um get disrupted by glyph by glyphosate that's a key thing I think so there's a whole bunch of enzymes called dehydrogenases dehydrogenases take hydrogen's off of an organic molecule there's a whole bunch of them you know that specialize in different organic molecules and those dehydrogenases typically uh won't uh react nearly as well if there's a duum on the molecule instead of a hydrogen they have what's called a high detarium kinetic isotope effect this gets a little technical but it means that um they won't when they take hydrogens off if there's one a version of that molecule that has a jerum they'll ignore it like I'm not going to use that one because it's got detarium so when they end up with the product it's going to be low in detarium because of that process more than that the hydrogen gas that they produce so I found a paper from the 1960s um really beautiful paper that showed microbes U making hydrogen gas and they measured the amount of durium in the hydrogen gas and they found that it was 80% depleted in duum compared to what was in the in the left behind you know so they the um the enzymes that the microbes have that make the hydrogen gas pretty much get rid of the duum they greatly reduce the amount of duum and then when they take that hydrogen gas and turn it back into take it with the carbon dioxide and make the methane that's also going to have low detarium because the hydrogen came from that hydrogen gas and then the methane becomes methanol and formate and from alide but it becomes it eventually becomes berate actually becomes acetate there's these acetogenic bacteria that can take carbon dioxide and hydrogen gas and make acetate and then acetate can become berate and berate becomes the fuel that the colonocytes love so the butyrate is very low in detarium I suspect now I had did not find any papers that tested how much duum is inate so I don't know if I'm right that's theoretical based on the hydrogen gas and the way it's made it makes sense you know but I I would love for someone to do the experiment to find out fats in general are known to be very low in detarium compared to other nutrients and so that makes them a good um a good food source because they're low in detarium okay great and so that would that would so what would be you know the typical way of of trying to well what would be the optimal levels of dyum is something that people can get tested or you just have to sort of hope for the best and ways to to uh make sure you have those safe levels of dyum yeah no those are good questions and I don't have the answer but you can take berate as a supplement um that's something people can do I of course always like to see you get uh get your nutrition from food so butter is a very good source of berate and so I really like butter and then is there I think lzo was talking at one point spoke about the differences like in a ketogenic diet when you're not eating carbohydrates just how the mitochondria process this energy into up bringing about a lower dyum state is that is that something you know about yes well in fact I guess the whole um the the fats U the longer chain fats too are processed by dehydrogenases and in fact um in my book I talk about my theory that glyphosate substitutes for glycine during protein synthesis it's a theory and I I feel like it there's a lot of evidence that supports that and and I defined exact circumstances under which I would expect that to be the case it would be more susceptible to substitution and um and uh dehydrogenases have have a very good match to the theoretical situation that would support glyphosate substitution you know what I'm saying like all the not all glycines are equal because they can be in circumstances and it's particularly specifically when the a glycine residue is in a protein at a place where the protein binds phosphate and that glycine is highly conserved and if you change it to something else the protein breaks so it's like very important for glycine to be there and it's a small it's a smallest amino acids so provides room for the phosphate which is a bulky molecule that has to fit into a slot so if you replace the glycine with a bigger amino acid the phosphate doesn't fit anymore so it doesn't work and glyphosate has a methyl phosphate that is about the same size as a phosphate so it it can become glycine but it puts its methyl phosphinate in the place where the phosphate supposed to go and that prevents the substrate from binding that ruins the molecule so that's what that the epsp synthes which is the enzyme the glyphosate famously disrupts in the striate pathway has a glycine residue at a place where it binds phosphate highly conserved if you replace the glycine with any other amino acid glyphosate doesn't affect the protein at all it becomes completely incompetent to suppress it so the best explanation for that is that it actually goes in and substitutes for the glycine because it has it has a glycine it is a glycine molecule it matches perfectly to the code for glycine but not the code for any other amino acid so it has to be substituting for glycine not anything else it's it's black and white if it were if it were sort of getting in the way of the substrate as a separate molecule which is what they argue it does it wouldn't be black and white like that you know it wouldn't be so bad if you just add an extra methyl group you would still be able to disrupt just not as much maybe but not completely gone like no longer affecting it at all that's very dramatic to me the best way to explain that is that it's actually substituting for the glycine in the protein itself and so it becomes a different protein and it no longer works in what it's supposed to do and so these dehydrogenases have very fantastic sequences situations where they fit perfectly with my with my Notions of how they should be strongly ected and then there have been papers that have been written a paper on eoli showed a dozen different dehydrogenates that were suppressed including nadh dehydrogenase which is the one that actually supplies the protons to the mitochondria so that's really important for the um delivery of the low doarian protons to the HPA pumps um and then soil bacteria also there was a study that showed they exposed soil bacteria to glyphosate at time zero and then they monitored the the overall dehydrogenase activity of the of all the microbes over time and for three weeks after that the levels kept going down of the activity of the dehydrogenases so it looks to me like and also there's some human dehydrogenases that have been found to be suppressed so um I think there's a lot of evidence that it suppresses dehydrogenases and if it does that with the fats it's going to prevent um fatty acid metabolism by the by the mitochondria which is a huge problem because fatty acids in general are low in detarium and the mitochondria if they can't process them well uh they're they're not going to be able to keep up with larum yeah hey guys just want to take a second to thank our sponsor at carnivore bar I don't promote many products because honestly all you need to be healthy is to just eat meat for those times that you're out hiking road tripping or stuck at work and you want nutritious snack that is just meat fat and salt if you want it the carnivore bar is a great option so I like this product not because it's just pure meat but also because I want the carnivore Market to thrive as well and the more we support meat only products the more meat only products there will be available ailable in the mainstream so if this sounds like something you'd like to get behind check it out using my discount code Anthony to get 10% off which also applies to subscriptions giving you 25% off total all right thanks guys does that make it all any sense to people I know it's a little bit technical no it is but you know it's also very interesting and and you know we need to be exposed to these sorts of things you we need to think about these things and these Pathways because it's uh you know we think of things in calories I think that's major fundamental flaw in nutrition is we think of things in terms of calories and so if it doesn't have a calorie it doesn't matter it's just inert it's neutral calories are the only thing that matter but of course we're not that's so crazy yeah we're not steam locomotives we don't burn things for energy and we're we're chemical factories we have chemical reactions with all these things it's such such an intricate um relationship between all of these these different Pathways and and molecules and if you start getting chemical exposures that are foreign to our body we're going to get foreign reactions and it's going to it's going to disrupt a very very delicate complex system and it's this law of unintended consequences you're going to get consequences that are that are very hard to predict and they're going to be bad and so we want to try to avoid that do things that are more more natural um so no so thank you very much for that um that was one of the things too you know so I mean sounds B it's not only damaging our own microbiome but it's destroying the soil microbiome as well which is very very integral to soil health is that how much of a problem is that with glyphosate and I think that's a big problem yes I do and in fact glyphosate accumulates in certain soils uh like there was a study in Brazil looking at uh soils where they were using GMO crops and um they found that every year there was more glyphosate in the soil than the year before it was accumulating so it wasn't removing all of the glyphosate that had been used the previous year so it kept getting more and more and I suspect that's happening in a lot of the soils here in this country yeah and is that is that then going to make more problems with with growing crops as well or how does that absolutely oh yeah it makes the plants very weak I mean a lot of the um metabolites that come out of that chikate pathway are protective very important antioxidants that the plants produce that also protect us when you eat plant Foods you get these various complicated molecules that are you know polyphenols and flavonoids and things like that um that are antioxidants um those all most of those come out of that shm pathway okay yeah so when we talk about um dyum getting out of balance what what sort of diseases can we expect to see and you specifically you've studied cancer as well how how is this um playing a role yeah I can talk about cancer it's so fascinating I'm trying to work it out you know as we speak but um it's looking very very intriguing to me and I've been um you know writing papers and trying to figure out how to get them published it's a it's a rather radical um idea around cancer but it makes a lot of sense to me um basically as you probably know you know this this warberg effect um where the cancer cells shut down the mitochondria they have mitochondria sometimes they they're perfectly they don't look like they're broken but the cancer cell chooses not to use them to make ATP or they make as little as possible they kind of reduce greatly reduce the use of their mitochondria to make HP and instead they make massive amounts of they process massive amounts of glucose through glycolysis is which is this thing anerobic activity that happens in the cytoplasm not in the mitochondria and that prod and then they turn it in it produces pyate and then they turn it into lactate cancer cells they turn the pyate into lactate and they ship it out so they're dumping lots of lactate into the blood it's a characteristic feature of cancer cells and the interesting thing is that that lactate actually carries a duum depleted proton that came from nadh that came from this pathway that in the glycolysis so there's a precious proton sitting on nadh that it hands over to the lactate molecule and sends it out the door so the cancer cell is actually delivering a duum depleted nutrient to the host that any of the organs in the body can take it up and happy to have it you know so in other words in a way the cancer is providing the the host the whole organism with food that's healthy food because it's low in detarium so that that's quite interesting right and then the other thing is cancer cells actually they they have they have these vhpa pumps not to be confused with the hpas that makes the that makes the HPA they actually use up ATP they work in the reverse and they actually pump protons out of the of the cell well in the case of cancer cells normally those pumps hang out around the um uh ex the endosome lysosomes the lomes are really acid you know organel where they digest things they break down broken molecules and recycle them in the lomes and the lomes need to be very acidic they have to have a lot of protons to be acidic and so these these other hpas pumps that are outside of the mitochondria pump protons into those lysosomes to make them acidic but in the cancer cells they take those same enzymes and they put them on the on the outside of the cell they put them at the cell membrane and they pump protons out into the into the external space so cancer cells it's very weird they um they move them to a different place and they pump protons out of the cell so they make the cell more basic by doing that because they're losing protons and then they're making the outside environment more acidic so they're changing the the um the relationship between the outside and the inside as far as the pH is concerned this is chemistry again I guess it's probably a little over people's heads but yeah but anyway those protons that they pump out are low in duum because those vhp pumps know how to avoid ium there there all these enzymes that are specialized in they're designed to protect from producing from moving D deuterons instead of protons they know how to select for protons and pump out preferentially pump out protons instead of deuterons leaving behind in the cytoplasm increased dyum in the cytoplasm of the cancer cell so the cancer cell is enriching dyum in its own in its interior space and decreasing detarium outside the cell by pumping out these protons and again it's basically like the cancer cell is trying to hoard durium and it's um it knows that if it puts too much detrum in its mitochondria they're going to be bad news they're going to spew out all these reactive oxygen so they turn turn down the game right they use use them as little as possible because they don't want because they're not working well because there's too much detarium but they're kind of like um I think they're kind of being self-sacrificial like okay we know this host is in trouble because there's this really big problem with duum so I'm going to a cancer cell I'm going to duplicate myself make more of me and all of us are going to help to pump out all this lactate and all these duum depleted protons to supply to the to the host this is what the bacteria do too you know the um the the um yeast cells the yeast cells are actually able to live in a in an environment that's extremely high in detarium it's amazing like our cells would just totally kill over and die if there was that much detarium but the yeast cells can really handle very hydrum and um when they have hydro they have um they have agpa pumps too and they have the regular um you know phosphor they have the same mechanism mechanisms that we do they can either they can either make do do glycolysis to make um ATP or they can use uh I think yeah they even have mitochondria they basically have mitochondria in the yeast that can make make HP the same way we do but when there's a lot of tererium they turn them off just like we do and and when there's a lot of cherum they make ethanol which is alcohol right they make lots of ethanol and they pump it out and in fact you can get drunk on ethanol produced by your yeast without ever drinking a drop of alcohol that you can get very high levels of ethanol in your in your blood from the yeast and the ethanol is just like the U the lactate it's a different molecule but it's the same concept that they've taken that H off of the nadh they've stuck it onto the ethanol they ship it out the door so they're providing the host with a duum depleted nutrient which is alcohol and uh and they're getting enriched in duum all the while you know because they're leaving they're letting duum leave the body leave their own body so I think there's a whole um there's a big bigger story there I think there's just whenever almost maybe even whenever you have disease it's related to some some organism trying to help you solve the jarian problem that's a too bold a statement probably to make but I'm sensing that that might be the case you know and so um and there's other you know other aspects of the cancer cells that look to me like this concept of um trying to uh help the body have as little determent as possible through self-sacrifice as a way to um to help the body to overcome the detarium problem systemically yeah by the activity of this um cell that's causing trouble by growing into a big cancer Mass you know it's kind of just it separated itself from the body it's sort of become an external thing um that's um that's trying to solve the problem that that's what I'm thinking it's a it's a really radical concept and you can see that it might be a little difficult to get something like that published but yeah well it's very interesting though I mean you think about it you know your body has has these different ways of of dealing with issues and dealing with problems and that can be a problem in of itself or maybe it's it's holding you back from from something worse it's very interesting and I mean even even you're just going through those Pathways you like you said that the bacteria go through and they they sequester dyum and live in that in that way is are our cells reverting back to that those mechanism you for some yeah and and and why is that you know are they is it a protective manner or something just gone terribly wrong it's made it revert to that but it's very interesting it's very interesting that it's it's secreting out low dyum substrate as well um is that then a target for cancer treatment to somehow modulate the amount of in the body yes well there's a see Som s o m l y AI you know about him yes Professor Soma he's a I don't know how to pronounce his name I always struggle with it someone should tell me how to pronounce it so I can get it right but um he's written two books on on duum depleted water as a treatment for cancer and it's really interesting actually because when you put cancer cells into into water that has half as much duum as you normally would have they actually stop multiplying and and they commit U self-de they just um commit apoptosis you know because the duum is too low and if you give them high duum they Thrive and they start increasing their multiplication rate so they like duum duum triggers them to grow and lack of duum triggers them to close shop which I find really really interesting because the normal cells do the opposite so they have a different perception of how to react to derium opposite perception of how to react to derium which makes me think that the cancer cell and first of all I think cells can sense how much derium there is in the environment and then they can make a decision on how to act based on that and a cancer cell knows to act by getting aggressive and growing faster because it's got a job to do which is to fix that detarium problem the other thing is that's interesting is that you know immune cells immune cells swarm to the cancer micro environment they come in they you know the big party right they they swarm there but then they don't act like there's there's mechanisms that cause them to stand down so there's all these immune cells hanging out in the cancer environment basically wasting time like not doing anything right why don't you kill the cancer you know you're there why don't you just and they get they get turned they get those mechanisms are turned off and the cancer cell actually emits you know releases signals that cause the immune cells to stand down um on the other hand cancer cell is providing them with a lot of good stuff they're getting the lactate they're getting the low Det iian protons you know um and there's other things too that the cancer cell releases that are useful to the immune cells to help them G regain health so I think in a way the immune cells are coming to the cancer environment in order to partake of the wealth that the cancer is providing and and then eventually if they can get enough of that good nutrition they can fix their problems and then they can attack the cancer once they've been repaired but the first step is to go into the cancer celling environment and get get repaired so in a way that's the cancer cell can really uh focus on improving the immune system because the immune cells can come to its door and help themselves to all these nutrients whereas the heart and the Brain have to wait for it to make it through the circulation so they don't get us they don't get first dips you know the immune cells get a chance to um partake of the riches and um and hopefully fix their mitochondria as a consequence of it and then once they have healthy mitochondria and also lomes because their lomes get in trouble too when there's not too much tarium once they fix those that Machinery then they can go ahead and attack the cancer yeah yeah that's really interesting too and then of course we give people chemo and it kills your immune cells so that yeah I know that's right that's the wrong thing to do you know because you need to get the immun cell to be healthier but some y's book I read his second book it's quite dry it has all all these cases but it's really uh striking how well these people do because he has um you know people who are basically rejected by the mainstream because they're like just go home die you know we don't know we don't have anything else to do for you and then they'll start drinking this deter depleted water and they'll live way beyond their life expectancy that the mainstream was predicting given their circumstance you know and sometimes even completely recover yeah so that's pretty amazing yeah very much so and I think there's there's a lot of interplay there between we were talking about before we started with Professor Thomas C's work on ketogenic metabolic therapy absolutely treatment in cancer because get a you're you're affecting the warberg effect these cancer cells require 400 times the amount of glucose as normal cells but then there's also this relationship with deuterium and when you're in a ketogenic State you will naturally lower your overall dyum levels and and whether it's just that the cancer cells can't survive without the dyum or the cancer is trying to serve a role in protecting against dyum and now their their job is done that's the I like to think they're closing shop because theyve not needed any more once theair level goes down they're like okay good job done I'm out of here you know their whole purpose is to serve the host to try to fix the problem they don't need to fix it if it's already fixed so I love that idea yeah well I I like it too and and it's um yeah definitely shows that that interplay between the and we are seeing people with going on a ketogenic metabolic therapy and and that's going to restrict the glucose but it's also restricting the the dyum and and uh I think that they they are both working to the same effect yes I agree yeah so the um are there other other sort of major illnesses and and roles that duyan would play and disrupt in our body apart from cancer as well if you get this out of balance well there's there's another very interesting aspect that I'm deep into right now and I'm really really fascinated with uh I've been playing around with the idea this another radical idea um that Alzheimer's disease and all the misfolding you know protein misfolding diseases um are connected to detarium and um and I think um you know it's interesting because the cancer cells and the neurons are very very different um you know in fact cancer cells will Thrive under circumstances where neurons will die you know they're complete opposite in their effect on the environment but the neurons so uh I I discovered that there are certain um special molecules that have carbon atoms that are able to sequester dyum and hold on onto it for dear life it's it's really interesting there's a set of molecules um I'm gathering a list as as we speak um that have a special property that they're able to trap and hold detarium so it turns out that uh this is a bit of chemistry but it's so fascinating nitrogen um sulfur and oxygen they all will readily take up duum from the water so you've got these dter Neons and protons that are floating around in the water and then the the oxygen is holding onto a hydrogen atom and it'll just oh yeah you can go I'll take this one and then keep on Switching off right from the water it doesn't hold on to its hydrogen atom well enough to keep it there so it just lets it go very easily and then a new one comes in and that one could be a detarium atom so so it's very easy for detarium to get onto those three nitrogen oxygen and sulfur Carbon on the other hand most of the carbon atoms will never let go of their hydrogen unless there's a special enzyme that can yank it off so that that it'll sit there forever you can put the carbon atom in you know d2o like pure duum oxide and let it sit there and it won't pick up the duum it'll still have hydrogen at that place you know it just won't do it but there's a few exceptions and that's what's really really interesting because and one of those exceptions is a molecule called histadine which is an amino acid and um isine is a very interesting amino acid with very interesting physical properties and make it have special um effects in in protons in proteins and so um histadine has what's called an imidazol ring it's a it's a ring with a nit couple nitrogens in it and some carbons it's like a a circle right of of atoms stuck together in the circle and there's a carbon that sits between two nitrogens and that carbon is actually able to pick up detarium so you can you can take a molecule that has a a you know all these different if it has in one of these rings and you put it into d2o then that hydrogen will become populated with detarium that that that calcium that carbon that's sitting between those two nitrogens will become can switch off its hydrogen and get a duum and if it does that it won't let go it's different from the other ones because the other ones are letting go all the time but it actually traps it so then when you put the molecule back into H2O all the Dums go away from all the oxygen and nitrogens and so ERS but that detrum that's on that carbon atom stays there it doesn't go away so they've discovered this just in looking at chemistry very interesting property of this of this carbon in this Idol ring and so um to me that immediately makes me think that it could trap duum in a in a protein and keep it there so it's a way to to to pull duum landmines out of the water if you will do you know what I mean so um and so then there's these histadine um residues that are in various of these proteins like in amid Beta And in the preon protein they have histadine that do very special things they're aware that these hes are very important for that molecule's function and for its Mis dysfunction when it misfolds and so there's research around that right now and I've been furiously reading that literature because I suspect my thought is that if those Hines pick up detarium at some point it sort of it changes the property of the protein as a whole because um the Hines have a they're very active with some respect to acid base you know letting uh they have they're very active in the molecule in terms of reacting to lower pH so when when the environment becomes acidic um they behave differently than when it's at at normal pH because of the fact that they uh I don't even know what the term is it's well known that they they can they can drop off they protons or not at normal pH so they're very active um in in processes of the folding of the molecule and how it folds so when they don't have the proteins they fold differently from when they the protons this is not working very well this the first time I'm talking about this a little crazy but no no not at all I'm so fascinated with it because I really think that um that I've um picked up on something important with regard to protein misfolding where the protein normally has Alpha helices and then it goes into to a phase of disorder where it it's not doesn't really have either alpha heles or beta sheets and then it goes into suddenly forms into this beta sheet structure which is the misfolded pron protein or the misfolded alphascan all of those when they're misfolded they have less Al Alpha helices and more beta sheets and I think it could be because they've picked up too much dyum which has changed their properties in such a way that they tend to want to fold differently and then once they form into beta sheets they really lock up so that um whatever Dum they have could in fact be very well trapped uh to keep it away from uh the cell you know so a way of reducing the detarium levels in the Cell by by trapping it inside the uh the Protein that's now sitting there as a piece of plaque it's holding on to excess jerum that's the thought I have this is a bit of a um maybe a half baked idea but I'm super excited about it and I really want to uh cross the teas and Dot the eyes and see if I can make sense out of that think it might be um basic principle behind protein misfolding and all these um horrible diseases and neurodegenerative diseases that come out of that yeah well we we need that you know we need that those sort of know outside the box thinking yeah if we that's the problem I have with um you with of Education you know I've I've been educa both in America and and overseas in Europe and I've seen the different Educational Systems and you we have a we have more of um you know sort of liberal arts sort of minded education in America you can choose multiple different classes and you can sort of construct your own degree as long as you get these core classes you can you can have some other things outside of that where a lot of other places it's like if you have a degree in biology you're going to take this class and then this class and then this class and then this classed huh very and so you're taking the exact same classes with the exact same people and the exact same professors you come out of there with a cookie cutter education thought process and I mean it just it doesn't really lend itself to outside the box thinking because everyone just know this is what it is this is the world around us and there's nothing else whereas you know someone like yourself coming from different angles um you know that's how you you push the boundaries of of human knowledge and and sometimes you're going to be on to something and it's going to be bang on at other times it's going to be like okay well maybe it's something else but you discovered something you know yeah I I certainly feel like we need to do more explorative ideas like what I'm doing I think more people should do that and also they make it really hard to get it published because it's not mainstream it's not accepted right and it becomes sort of um you know speculation and you can't just let all the flowers bloom so I can appreciate how they have to be restrictive so you have to have a really good um story to tell which gets challenging you know so you need to get back up from the literature to support you know your line of thought but the literature doesn't say exactly what you're saying because saying something radical that nobody else has said so it's sort of hard to reach the point where you've provided enough evidence from the peer-reviewed literature to support your case so I love a puzzle and I consider biology to be an amazing puzzle and I I really want to figure it out and then um and then I'm hoping that we can actually go move forward in in repairing and getting rid of some of these diseases once we understand what's happening we can fix it you know and I think that the answer is just going to be healthy food you know lots of sun sunlight exercise just basic good living you know as a way to stay healthy yeah I mean even even just from a from a biological background if we start doing what what our ancestors did when they were more or less healthy and we have pre-agricultural societies that don't get the chronic diseases that we get they move to a post-agricultural way of living and they do get these diseases then they go back and they reverse I mean that's pretty pretty evident that there's something in in the environment that's affecting that um do you find that that's a bit of an issue with the peer-reviewed system because they're generally you know it's it's an old it's it's sort of a they're trying to sort of say like well this is how we understand it that's you know that's radical I don't agree that that disagrees with my research or something like that do you find that that's a barrier to getting new ideas out there I think there is a barrier I think there is a kind of a mainstream dog Dogma that kind of supports everything and and if you are deviating from that story I mean especially to say that cancer is doing something good for you that's like what how can that be possibly be true right it's just too radical so um I I feel like there ought to be more room for people to uh to explore some of these ideas and certainly you have to have a a very good logic that explains you know how why you think this way according to this paper and that paper mean you can reference things that support what you're trying to say and try to build your story it's a lot harder to do something like that than it is to just write a paper that goes along with what everybody else believes you know it's a lot harder and it's harder to get it published and maybe it should be because you can't have I just think that right now it's too limited that that there there's too much restriction in what you can publish uh that prevents um enough flowers from blooming that could then lead us to a bigger because once and also with what I'm saying someone who can do the research to go find out how much deteri there is in the in the butter rate that's produced by the microbes or in the in the gas the hydrogen gas you know they could do those experiments they won't think to do them if um if nobody's proposing that as a possibility so you can certainly someone like me can uh can propose some things that might or might not be true and then somebody else can say well look you're wrong because this hydrogen gas has got just as much deuterium as it and then I'm dead in the water right because I am leaning I'm depending on that one paper I tried so hard to find something later and I didn't so you know there's just that one paper from the 1960s which was it looked like a a well done paper but you know it's a lot better than zero but it's h but I'd love to have another one actually I think I did find another paper that supported the idea that the hydrogen gas would be depleted because of the enzyme having that ability to um it was a later paper that um didn't measure the hydrogen gas but did confirm that that enzyme that makes the hydrogen gas has the ability to select hydrogen over dyum so that's also supportive so I've got two papers on that one that one's important because that a lot hinges on it you know in my story yeah no it's really interesting it um I you when we were emailing I mentioned that my my brother-in-law did his PhD at MIT in computer science and he did it and he did his dissertation on theoretical Quantum Computing and of course we don't we don't have quantum computers so he's sort of trying to again working in the theoretical what we can do when we get them you know if we if we ever manage that or when we manage that but he he ran in you know head first into the the peer review process as well because specifically in his field burgeoning field especially when he was doing it it um there were there was certain sort of things I mean I don't I don't know the complexities of it but basically there's some some part of this that basically when you when you talked about that sort of segment of theoretical Quantum Computing you had to use these massive massive complex um you know equations to uh to describe that and he wrote a whole paper saying hey you don't need these big crazy complex uh equations you can actually do it this way in this simplified form so we had this whole yeah so we had this whole paper about how you could do that and he sent it to all these journals and he got it bounced back there must have been only one peer reviewer in in in the whole world because that was reviewed you can have a reviewer who simply doesn't know enough to know whether you're right or not right with something like that with these complicated equations you have to just uh yeah sometimes things become too hard for the reviewer to understand and then you're really stuck because you can't get past that the ignorance of the person who's reviewing you so it's really hard I think for people to push out into the frontier um I think it's necessary because I feel like we're way off base right now and and the way we treat disease I mean I think it's just ridiculous with all these drugs that they never really fix the problem they just sort of Kick the Can down the road you know they may alleviate some symptoms but they're probably making you worse overall usually I think yeah well and I mean that's not even the yeah and that's their the the business model is they're not trying to cured diseases and that's a problem we have had researchers and doctors historically for millennia trying to cure diseases trying to find the root cause of something and um but you know now we have this it's all commercialized and and there there are whistleblowers coming out now and there's there's leaked documents like from like Goldman Sachs saying you is it is it really a viable business model to cure someone of a disease and no you want to treat symptoms it's not you want to make sure they stay sick for the rest of their life and keep on taking your drug that's it and so you know we we yeah we absolutely can't look to them for the Cure we have to we have to sort of work amongst ourselves and independent research and and observation on on on a practical level say okay well okay well what can we do differently to not great you know you don't have any other option than something that treats the symptoms at least treats the symptoms so that's great but that's not where you should end you shouldn't be complacent with that and and then you we really need to really need to move forward yeah the interesting thing with my my brother-in-law is he he sent these things for for peer review and they came because the whole argument was hey you don't need these big long equations these people must not have read the paper because he said well when talking about this field of of quantum Computing usually you'd have this big long complicated equation he doesn't have any complicated these big equations in his paper therefore we're not going to it was like well no the whole was about how you don't need that and he sent it to other ones he got the same review back so it was like there there's this one perer reviewer and just wouldn't refuse to read the paper and he's just like this is stupid so it's um it's a very it's a very strange very strange system but but because it you know it's it's it can be locked out because there there's I think when you have when you go beyond the the thinking of the whole field yeah and you're outside of that of the Dogma that that fits the story that they've learned since kindergarten really you know people get trained to think this is the way it is and you say no it's not it's this other way uh they're going to bulk I mean it's just human nature to say you're probably wrong I mean you know and maybe most of the time you are I don't know but I think sometimes you are right and it's really important to listen because it can really matter and I think that you know we're having a good time I've got a group of people who are all pouring over the literature trying to figure out the story and it's it's a great puzzle so I'm enjoying it w that's great well um just you know to to leave you with this um with your your knowledge and and all the study that you put into uh understanding how glyphosate and dyum affect Health in general has that affected how you live your life and what what do you oh absolutely yeah yeah well when we shop at the grocery store we never buy it if it doesn't say organic certified organic we're very strict about that we have a harder time when we go out to eat because there aren't that many Organic restaurants we found some good organic lunch places so you know fast food from for lunch a nice uh we got some good ones here in Hawaii that can give you organic Mexican lunch or um so yeah but yeah we try to eatat organic all the time but we sometimes cheat when we go out to dinner at usually a high-end restaurant but it's not organic yeah so yeah we're very careful and of course I also love sunlight I don't know if I didn't mention that enough here but I think sunlight exposure is very important and I think we're uh we don't realize it the sun is free and therefore no one's going to advertise it and encourage you to get it you know because it's free and then they make this big deal out of sun causing skin cancer but actually um it gives you so much uh good health um not just the vitamin D but also I've written papers about how it can U it it you know creates um the light actually infrared light for example can can encourage the um circulation of the blood and create um it's a complicated story that we don't have time for right now but sunlight is more than vitamin D and I've talked about that in the past very interesting yeah that's that's a whole other other field that I think is very interesting too I think it all comes comes all together you know it's again it's just living in a more natural biologically appropriate way absolutely you know yes and I even think like don't put things on your skin you know as much as possible avoid skin exposure to all these because you have all these even when you look at shampoo I mean I have a hard time buying shampoo because it's got all this listed stuff in there why do you need all those things in there you know it's weird we have these very complicated um synthetic products that are you know yeah who knows what all of those various chemicals might be doing to you yeah so I try to live a natural life as much as possible yeah very good well um thank you very much for your time I AB absolutely love that I was really looking forward to this conversation it did not disappoint so thank you very much for that I got I got a little bit hard to explain what I was trying to say there with the the Hines but you should look it up because it's really interesting I'm really on fire with the Hines right now because I think there's something to it even in the in the spike protein play an interesting role okay yeah definitely will that's brand new for me so it's a little bit wasn't very crisp in explaining it I'll do better next time no no it's fine and it's it's all very very interesting and yeah looking forward to seeing more more work come out on that because obviously it's it's a huge it's a huge issue and and we're talking about brain health and Decay as we age you know I mean that that's sort of on top of everybody's mind probably most people's major concern with aging is is losing their faculties so that's obviously very I know that's so scary and then the rates are going up all the time and again that that's a perfect match with um glyphosate glyphosate usage on corn and soy crops over time has gone up exactly in step with the rise in dementia and Alzheimer's disease and also with the rise in autism right and Parkinson's disease there's a lot of these neurodegenerative diseases that are uh that look like to me there a direct link to glyphosate yeah very good surprised me and I said those mice you know were those mice that were they showed actually amalo beta you know uh going up in response to glyphosate exposure 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